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00:16 - Welcome to the pcn capital preview I'm Larry Casper

00:20 - our subject today is energy policy in Pennsylvania but first we're joined by Cara

00:26 - jeffers

00:27 - Harrisburg correspondent at Lilly broadcasting welcome to our program.

00:33 - Thank you

00:33 - Cara you filed a story about a cannabis control board plan

00:38 - that was voted down by the senate but first

00:41 - tell us what purpose

00:42 - was this panel to have served.

00:46 - The cannabis control board

00:47 - sb forty nine was introduced by sen Dan laughlin he's republican up from erie county

00:54 - one of the few Republicans in

00:56 - the state senate who is vocal about his support for

01:00 - legalizing

01:01 - cannabis and adult use canvas

01:03 - Pennsylvania already has a medical program.

01:06 - That is kind of controlled by the department of health

01:09 - it has been a long time conversation of if we should

01:13 - legalize full adult use cannabis it's been

01:16 - talks about revenue and what sources would that help fill in

01:20 - the state cover full legalization hasn't had

01:23 - as much conversation this year the thing that

01:26 - has been brought up by laughlin is this cannabis control board

01:31 - for him at this board is not about legalizing cannabis but it's kind of creating the

01:36 - government

01:37 - entity

01:38 - a framework where

01:40 - all things cannabis in the state

01:42 - would be

01:43 - entitled governed enforced regulate

01:46 - by this

01:47 - control board you could imagine we have our liquor control board we have gaming

01:51 - control boards this just beat the cannabis control board

01:55 - the medical department that

01:56 - the medical program that is currently in the department

01:59 - of health would come under control of this new board

02:02 - and and

02:03 - there is this.

02:05 - Hemp

02:06 - is is

02:07 - federally legal definitions are changing

02:09 - soon at the federal level but this is kind of

02:11 - when you go into gas stations and you see delta

02:13 - eight and you're like why is this fully accessible in

02:17 - a

02:17 - Gas stations

02:19 - kind of those types of cannabis products could be

02:21 - regulated by this board is what law from this that

02:24 - and then if

02:25 - cannabis was ever fully legalized in the future it

02:28 - would also fall under this authority so that is the

02:31 - purpose of the control board as laughlin has described it

02:35 - or governor shapiro asked the Democratic party in the senate to vote no

02:39 - on this control panel why did he do that.

02:43 - I did get a statement from the governor's office

02:46 - they said that again

02:47 - the governor's really pushing for a

02:50 - full regulation full regulatory

02:54 - legalization of

02:56 - adult use cannabis full use

02:58 - and the idea is that if we can

03:00 - legalize it then we can also tax it

03:03 - if we can tax it and that's another source of revenue.

03:06 - Cannabis.

03:08 - Legislation has a long history

03:11 - throughout the entire country of what does this mean for criminal justice as well

03:15 - so it sounds like the ship your administration sent down.

03:18 - There were multiple democrats who were

03:21 - co-sponsors on the senate legislation.

03:24 - We had I believe at least six

03:27 - and

03:27 - and

03:28 - most of the I think there were two

03:30 - senate democrats who voted in favor of the legislation but everyone else voted against

03:34 - again because shapiro it mister administration

03:38 - asking

03:38 - for them to not

03:39 - put that vote out.

03:41 - That.

03:42 - I'd leave whenever I got that statement from his office

03:46 - definitely this belief that there can be a more robust.

03:50 - System in place they don't necessarily want the cannabis control board as

03:55 - either this compromise situation or they might not like

03:58 - the.

04:00 - Having that entity as the one controlling canvas for the future

04:04 - well let's get back to governor shapiro just

04:06 - for a minute consider that he had proposed

04:08 - putting the agriculture department in charge of

04:11 - cannabis programs and what's the reaction from lawmakers how do they feel about it.

04:17 - So and I guess to set up a bit of this was

04:20 - quite a bit of political.

04:22 - Intrigue when it happened last week

04:25 - very rarely do senate Republicans who have the majority in

04:28 - the senate bring up a bill that they're not sure will pass

04:31 - and this was one of those bills that

04:33 - we weren't sure if it would pass and sure enough

04:35 - we had six republican senators who voted against it

04:38 - the idea was that hey there are senate democrats who support this maybe they'll

04:42 - come through and they'll get the bill to go through

04:45 - and so when senate democrats fell through the question

04:48 - was kind of made of like oh

04:49 - I guess this

04:50 - is not passing that was where the politics kind of came into play

04:55 - and like you said there are a lot

04:57 - have ideas on

04:58 - how

04:59 - cannabis should be regulated within the state

05:02 - even within

05:03 - house democrats and senate democrats there's been different ideas on if we want

05:08 - state controlled stores to be selling these products or do we want the.

05:13 - Products

05:13 - of

05:14 - Existing medical dispensaries to maybe have like first

05:17 - dibs on some of the licensing agreements that are there

05:20 - so

05:21 - There's still this ideological split within a Harrisburg on

05:26 - do we even

05:27 - legalized full adult use cannabis you might have

05:29 - some Republicans who are still in that legalized.

05:32 - In that more ideological split

05:34 - however there are a lot of

05:35 - ideas on

05:36 - how to regular hate it and I think that contributed to.

05:40 - The governor's asking for a no vote on this

05:42 - as well as the multitude of opinions that you hear from lawmakers who

05:47 - they like the idea of cannabis legalization

05:49 - there's just lots of ways to go about it

05:51 - for our viewers who are just tuning into this issue Kara

05:55 - can you review what the problems are within the medical marijuana pra.

06:00 - Program here in Pennsylvania that lawmakers want to resolve.

06:04 - Yeah that's something I haven't written about

06:07 - quite as much but I said

06:08 - I know when listening into health committees and talking with

06:12 - lawmakers

06:13 - there is concern that.

06:15 - Medical our medical program is it is.

06:19 - Easy

06:19 - to get a card

06:21 - and say hey I have a medical issue I think it can be helped with

06:24 - marijuana

06:25 - and cannabis and

06:27 - allow me to go to these dispensaries that exist and

06:30 - test that out.

06:31 - There's not really a lot

06:33 - of specific prescription

06:35 - that happens

06:36 - and if someone says I have anxiety or I get headaches the solution is to well here's

06:42 - a card and you can basically go shop for yourself

06:44 - at these medical dispensaries and

06:46 - kind of self medicate what you think is the right way to address your medical issues

06:52 - so there's kind of some concern from people that we

06:55 - call it a medical program but we're not sure how how.

06:59 - Medically

07:00 - designed

07:02 - it is

07:02 - it's not the denial that their research does

07:05 - show that cannabis can assist in different.

07:08 - Health areas and health issues

07:10 - but

07:11 - our program isn't necessarily.

07:14 - Designed

07:15 - to operate with that way so there's a question on if

07:18 - we could do some reform within that

07:19 - what would that look like if we got

07:21 - full adult use would anything change in how our medical system operates

07:26 - Cara jeffers Harrisburg correspondent

07:28 - Lilly broadcasting thanks for being here.

07:32 - Thank you

07:33 - more of the pcn cap it a preview after

07:36 - a short break.

07:38 - Welcome back our guests are represented Martin causer

07:42 - the minority chair of the pa house energy committee

07:46 - and representative Elizabeth Fiedler

07:48 - majority chair

07:49 - of the pa house energy

07:51 - committee welcome to our program.

07:54 - Good morning.

07:56 - Thank you for having us represent a Fiedler let's start

07:59 - with you data centers are coming to Pennsylvania to

08:02 - accommodate the demand for artificial intelligence

08:06 - they're going to need a lot of energy namely water

08:09 - and electricity just how ready is Pennsylvania for them.

08:14 - So data centres are something that a lot of

08:16 - people are talking about but of course in Harrisburg

08:19 - but also here in my district in south Philly

08:21 - and as you said we know that

08:24 - a lot of the technology that folks rely on in their daily life

08:28 - are part of those developments that we're talking about artificial intelligence

08:32 - video conferencing all these things I have very

08:34 - high demand of energy a very high energy needs.

08:38 - These are things that are part of regular life whether it's that we're talking about

08:42 - students doing research and online classes

08:44 - or folks whose job is

08:46 - online people who want to experience virtual

08:49 - reality or rather artificial intelligence all those sorts of things that no one could

08:54 - have imagined ten twenty fifty years ago

08:57 - so we are using a lot of energy and that is expected to only increase data centers

09:02 - are certainly a piece of it and we are very proud to have passed I

09:06 - have got eighteen thirty four this is legislation

09:09 - that belongs to my colleague Rob maxey

09:11 - that passed the house one afford four to ninety five and it re really creates the

09:15 - very first framework in Pennsylvania

09:17 - for data centers operating here

09:20 - and it calls on those huge developers to be good

09:22 - neighbors to the people who are already here

09:24 - and that absolutely includes

09:26 - use of natural resources like you mentioned

09:29 - that includes.

09:30 - Making sure that they are getting more renewable energy online making sure that they

09:34 - are general writing their own energy and not taking it from the grid

09:37 - which is something that we all rely on

09:39 - making sure they aren't doing that

09:41 - and also has them contribute to

09:43 - lie heap which is a program that helps a lot of people in need

09:47 - in this commonwealth be able to keep their utilities on

09:50 - so it's really

09:51 - it's a large bill again it is the first regulatory framework passed

09:55 - in Pennsylvania I am proud that we passed this in the house

09:58 - and

09:59 - the exit is a bigger key piece of

10:01 - regulatory infrastructure the protections we need to put in place

10:05 - here in Pennsylvania

10:06 - at these huge developments come in and

10:09 - move rather quickly I'll also mention that we passed house

10:11 - bill twenty one fifty one which belongs to my colleague.

10:15 - Here from the Scranton area but past one twenty four to seventy seven we picked up

10:20 - quite a few votes on both sides of the aisle

10:22 - and it creates an optional model ordinance I want to emphasize

10:26 - optional

10:27 - and model

10:28 - so we know one size does not fit all for different

10:31 - municipalities across the commonwealth but this is

10:34 - optional language that look elected officials could look at

10:37 - if one of these data centers is proposed for their area they could look at it

10:41 - pick and choose which pieces are relevant to their needs to help them protect their

10:45 - community get the benefits that they need

10:47 - and really put in place what however strict or.

10:51 - Measures they want and it really just provides

10:53 - them with language you know does look old

10:55 - officials are expected to juggle an awful lot

10:58 - and this is just a tool that we can give them as the state

11:01 - or how about you represent them cause they're represented Fiedler.

11:04 - Said that ten years ago we couldn't have imagined

11:07 - this demand on our energy grid as far as data center

11:11 - preparedness goes.

11:13 - While.

11:14 - I

11:14 - Agree with the chairwoman that we couldn't have imagined the

11:17 - activity right now

11:18 - but we should have been laying the groundwork

11:21 - for additional energy opportunities in the state

11:23 - and now

11:25 - we know the data centers are coming to Pennsylvania we we also know that there

11:29 - are

11:30 - there are large consumers of energy

11:32 - and we need energy policy that

11:35 - that

11:35 - provides for for that growth and development

11:39 - I think it's important for us to recognize that

11:42 - these data centers are coming many of them are already here

11:45 - and more are coming

11:47 - we need to

11:48 - to make sure that first and foremost we're protecting.

11:52 - Consumers and pencil pena we know that

11:55 - electric bills are increasing

11:57 - and

11:58 - we have a supply and demand issue in Pennsylvania where

12:02 - demand for energy is increasing.

12:05 - Supply.

12:07 - Has been decreasing and I think that we need energy policy

12:11 - that provides for additional

12:14 - us supply in Pennsylvania so that to what whether it's data

12:18 - centers or other industry that's coming to Pennsylvania

12:22 - we can be prepared

12:24 - for that growth and development

12:26 - and having a policy of having energy policy in Pennsylvania that

12:31 - that

12:32 - provides real base load any rg

12:34 - is something that I've been pushing for for a

12:37 - very long time and many of my colleagues do.

12:41 - So

12:42 - That we can

12:43 - increase the energy supply

12:45 - we can.

12:46 - Work to bring down

12:48 - electric bills for folks across the commonwealth

12:51 - and that's certainly

12:53 - certainly are

12:54 - already

12:55 - and before we consider how much energy is required

12:58 - in a data center list of our viewers an idea

13:02 - of

13:02 - How big a so called mega

13:05 - data center can be how much space they take up

13:08 - how many square feet

13:10 - before we get an idea of how much energy it takes to run such a place.

13:16 - Representing people or if you would.

13:21 - I'm sorry could you repeat the question please yes I'm happy to repeat the question

13:25 - before we get into the energy required to run a data center

13:29 - let's give our viewers a clear idea of just how big

13:32 - a data centre can be now I'm hearing about mega

13:35 - data centers how many acres how many square feet do they take up.

13:40 - Sure so a single

13:41 - you know AI focus data center one of these larger ones that we're talking about.

13:46 - I.

13:47 - Can drive much power as.

13:49 - I

13:50 - Potentially have like one hundred thousand households with some of the massive

13:54 - hyperscale facilities consuming up to one megawatt so we are talking about

13:58 - theory energy intensity of elements and I think that is why

14:03 - this is something that I think chairman causer and I agree on and we've seen a huge

14:07 - support across the aisle these are.

14:10 - These are sites they're using tremendous amounts of energy and so the developers of

14:14 - these facilities really need to be accountable for getting finding away if they want

14:18 - to develop that somebody's neighbourhood

14:20 - in someone's city and someone's municipality make sure that that company is getting

14:25 - that energy generating the energy that they need

14:27 - because it can have a huge impact potentially on

14:30 - the grid and the energy that we all rely on and we want to make sure that.

14:34 - As the chairman said we are protecting people's rights and also making sure that

14:39 - their reliability is not jeopardized by these because it can have

14:42 - a significant impact absolutely.

14:47 - Go ahead representative causer

14:49 - yeah just like to add to that because I certainly

14:51 - I certainly agree and and with many

14:54 - respects with the chairwoman Fiedler and

14:56 - the the fact that

14:57 - we need to be prepared

14:59 - and I think that that

15:01 - preparation is important

15:02 - it's all about having energy policy that actually

15:05 - suppose port's growth in the commonwealth

15:07 - while protecting the ratepayers

15:10 - with their with their energy costs

15:12 - and

15:13 - if we have additional supply in the state then that

15:16 - will help the ratepayers and will also help with the

15:19 - supplying these operations

15:21 - but when we talk about data centers

15:23 - we really need them to bring their own energy

15:25 - and

15:26 - bringing their own energy for any proposed project

15:29 - is is going to be critical

15:32 - to not only make the project successful but to protect the ratepayers and I think

15:37 - many of these projects will be bringing their their own

15:40 - their own energy

15:42 - and not only does that provide energy for the data center

15:45 - but it provides

15:47 - more energy for the grid in general and and I

15:49 - think that that is beneficial for our commonwealth

15:53 - and so

15:54 - having guard rails in place

15:56 - and to make sure that we're providing the energy that's needed for the commonwealth

16:01 - that we're protecting the ratepayers.

16:04 - Is critically important

16:05 - now that

16:06 - the chairwoman mentioned

16:07 - house bill eighteen thirty four

16:09 - and there are many things in the house bill eighteen thirty four that to

16:12 - that I think are beneficial

16:14 - of you know making sure that.

16:17 - They bring their own energy making sure that

16:20 - when

16:21 - electric facilities have to be upgraded

16:23 - that the the the the the galloper is actually paying for that and I think that that

16:29 - is important again to protect the ratepayers

16:33 - but there are a number of things in that bill that I

16:35 - that I found problematic for example mandates that

16:38 - and

16:39 - that

16:40 - require thirty two percent of the energy to come from.

16:44 - Renewable sources for example which I think

16:46 - I is problematic

16:49 - going forward

16:50 - I don't think that we should be that selective and where the energy comes from

16:55 - we need real base load energy and we have opportunities

16:58 - in this commonwealth work from natural gas for example

17:02 - to provide real base load energy

17:05 - and plaything the mandates like like a huge.

17:09 - Renewable.

17:10 - Mandate is is

17:12 - is as I said problematic

17:14 - it also

17:15 - provides

17:16 - provide that particular bill

17:18 - also has some significant fees included

17:21 - and so

17:22 - concerns with that particular bill but in general

17:25 - we need guide rails on these projects and

17:28 - certainly I'm

17:29 - I'm focusing on that.

17:31 - I represent Fiedler another basic question about data centers are viewers understand

17:35 - that data centers require a lot of electricity to operate

17:39 - but what about the water

17:40 - whether they need all that water for.

17:44 - So much of it is used for cooling we do know

17:46 - that there are other technological advances.

17:50 - That make it possible to.

17:52 - I

17:54 - Cool and in other ways that are much less water intensive

17:58 - that said we do think that ensuring that.

18:01 - Water usage and

18:03 - the cleanliness of water safety of water should absolutely be.

18:07 - At the very very top of the list and ensuring that if

18:10 - these developments do come to someone city someone's town

18:13 - make sure that water usage is.

18:15 - Not going to have a negative impact on the

18:17 - folks who are already there and I think that is

18:19 - absolutely something we should be doing

18:21 - as the chairman sad guard rails

18:23 - are very very important

18:25 - and I think I do want to follow up and say that the renewable energy piece that is an

18:29 - eighteen thirty four I think is actually tremendously important

18:32 - people see their bills going through the roof and

18:35 - folks at least in Philadelphia have already turned on their air conditioners.

18:39 - So we know that energy

18:41 - prices are going up we know people's bills are going up and I think we've got to do

18:44 - everything we can to get more energy online

18:47 - and when we talk about.

18:49 - All of the above energy solution and

18:52 - embracing all kinds of energy

18:54 - I think that absolutely needs to include renewables they

18:56 - are relatively cheap they're relatively fast to get online

18:59 - and if renewable energy can help to lower

19:01 - people's bills I believe a majority of the common

19:04 - would like to see that happen.

19:05 - All as far as a source of water is concerned for data

19:09 - centers do some data centers rely on a natural body of water

19:12 - that is nearby.

19:19 - They

19:19 - are talking about specific projects and

19:22 - and I think that

19:23 - as as

19:24 - representative cause or can you think of any example where there's a

19:27 - a natural body a lot of it's being drawn on by data centers.

19:31 - I don't know of any project specifically of that nature but.

19:35 - They may be getting water from multiple sources but as chair

19:38 - chairwoman Fiedler said.

19:41 - There's a lot of misinformation out there also

19:43 - and and many of these projects recycle water.

19:46 - So I think you have to look specifically at the project

19:49 - the scale of the project

19:50 - exactly how much water are they using where is the water coming from

19:54 - and I think

19:56 - those are all important components

19:58 - really when we're looking at data centers

20:01 - there's a lot to consider I mean.

20:03 - We number one have to look at

20:05 - the energy that's used at the facility and where

20:07 - the energy is coming from and of course resp.

20:10 - Aires

20:11 - and protecting the ratepayers that are that are paying.

20:14 - For energy in their community we also have

20:17 - to look at water usage where it's coming from

20:19 - how much is being used how much

20:21 - recycled

20:22 - and the third component

20:24 - is respecting local control in our communities I think

20:28 - it's vitally important

20:30 - that to

20:31 - that we maintain local control with local officials

20:34 - because they know their community best

20:37 - and many of these communities are not prepared for data centers

20:41 - many of them are trying to get up to speed

20:44 - with local ordinances

20:46 - placing guardrails in place but I I do think that it's vitally important that we

20:51 - maintain that level of local control

20:54 - and and not take away authority from local

20:56 - officials because they know their communities best

20:59 - and.

21:01 - House Republicans I know are fighting very

21:03 - hard to maintain that level of local control

21:06 - for local officials

21:07 - are represented cause of the governor's

21:09 - proposing tax breaks for data centers that locate

21:12 - here in Pennsylvania

21:14 - what is your caucasus position on that.

21:17 - While we're taking a look at that right now and you know that's an existing tax

21:20 - credit that's been in place for data centers across the commonwealth there's

21:24 - certainly a lot of question about

21:26 - do we still need this tax credit

21:28 - is it structured appropriately

21:30 - and I think those are legitimate questions that to

21:34 - that need to be investigated

21:35 - and

21:36 - and.

21:38 - Certainly

21:39 - with the budgetary

21:40 - situation that we're or in.

21:42 - All things are on the table and I think that we

21:44 - need to look at all aspects of that tax credit.

21:49 - A representative Fiedler the governor is talking about a sales and use tax

21:53 - for data centers

21:55 - what is your position there.

21:58 - So as chairman concert said this is an existing tax credit and my understanding is

22:02 - that the governor's grid proposal what places.

22:05 - Restrictions and protections on that existing tax credit

22:09 - those restrictions and protections relate to workforce economic development and

22:14 - making sure that the jobs are local.

22:17 - Environmental protections along the lines of

22:19 - the things that we are already talking about

22:21 - offsetting emissions air pollution stripped water usage requirements as well as as we

22:27 - said and I think the chairman and I agree on the bring your own energy component

22:31 - of these large developments want to come and move into an existing

22:35 - area existing town existing city they should be bringing their own energy they should

22:39 - generate it and it should be in charge of that

22:41 - and it should not have a negative impact on the folks who are already there the small

22:44 - business owners and homeowners and families

22:47 - so I think that the transparency the community

22:49 - benefits and engagement pieces of grit are

22:52 - you know layers on top of an existing tax credit it's an effort to

22:55 - make very very clear that if these devout minutes

22:58 - you know if local officials decide

23:00 - I and these developments are cited in a location those folks should be good neighbors

23:05 - to the people who are already there

23:06 - and I could not agree with the chairman caused her more about

23:10 - the fact that local elected officials know their neighborhood they know their

23:14 - community better than anyone else and I think in that regard

23:17 - we are on the same page of saying that it should be up to folks

23:21 - locally there is not a one size fits all

23:23 - solution for for really anything in Pennsylvania

23:26 - will represent a

23:27 - that considering the governor wants data centers to bring their own source of power

23:32 - could that speed up or even slow down development

23:35 - might it be a hindrance instead of a help

23:38 - maybe some data centers won't want to come here under those conditions.

23:44 - I think it really relates to the big picture which we've been talking about the whole

23:47 - time we need to get more energy online

23:49 - we know that we live in a very energy intensive

23:52 - world society country

23:55 - where people are expected to be able to log onto video conferencing without a problem

23:59 - people use artificial intelligence electric vehicles all of this stuff

24:03 - we are using a lot of energy

24:05 - and so we need to do everything we can to get more

24:07 - generation online now obviously chairman causer and I

24:10 - disagree a little bit on whether we want to see renewables be.

24:14 - As much of a piece of that I do believe renewables are clean energy

24:19 - they are relatively cheap and fast to get online and I think if people see their

24:22 - utility the bells climb this summer

24:25 - they want to see more energy online

24:27 - and they are they are happy with it to be renewables

24:29 - if that means that it makes the grid more reliable

24:32 - fewer blackouts and brownouts and.

24:35 - Ultimately keeps people's bills as low as possible

24:38 - because there are a lot of folks out there and

24:39 - both of our districts in all of our districts who

24:41 - already can't afford their utila the bills

24:44 - they come into all of our district offices estate reps and say

24:47 - here's my bill and here's my paycheck I'm not earning enough to be able to afford

24:51 - everything right now

24:52 - and those folks are putting terrible terrible

24:55 - positions right there are people who are

24:57 - choosing between medicine and paying their electric bill to keep the

25:00 - the air conditioning on

25:02 - and as temperatures climb we say you know

25:04 - times get to ninety five up to one hundred like

25:07 - that is

25:08 - that is very dangerous territory for folks especially seniors and children who might

25:12 - be sitting inside their house without air conditioning I mean that

25:16 - the loss of life and the health impact will be tremendous

25:20 - especially if we see people not

25:23 - have sir service because of blackouts and brownouts

25:25 - because we haven't done enough to get energy on line

25:28 - and to make our greatest sustainable and reliable as possible

25:31 - representative cars are then let's let's get right to the

25:33 - bottom line then as far as energy ratepayers are concerned

25:37 - what's the effect that if data centers do bring their own source of power

25:41 - what's the news

25:42 - for ratepayer there's.

25:45 - We're talking a lot about data centers today and energy use and that's

25:48 - that's a critical component for data centers

25:51 - but I really think that we have to have a broader

25:53 - discussion about energy policy in general.

25:56 - As a commonwealth we need to get more energy onto the grid

26:01 - we know that our grid is not as secure as it should be

26:04 - we know that we need need more energy in this state

26:07 - one of the concerns that I have is

26:09 - is placing mandates on certain forms of energy because I think that

26:14 - if you mandate a certain source of energy like some

26:17 - renewables and some of the bills that we've seen

26:20 - that

26:20 - that particular mandate actually causes

26:24 - causes and increased costs aus to our

26:26 - to our energy production

26:28 - we need real base load energy in this commonwealth and

26:32 - and that can come from multiple sources I

26:34 - mentioned one earlier natural gas natural gas is a

26:38 - source that you can put a lot of base load energy on the grid

26:41 - there are other sources there are other sources that are coming small modular or

26:46 - nuclear is coming

26:48 - additional nuclear is coming nearby the capital here with the

26:52 - three mile island being restarted I mean it's there are multiple sources out there

26:57 - that can provide real base load energy

26:59 - and we need an energy policy that actually supports that growth and development

27:04 - and so that we can can get more energy on the grid

27:07 - and support multiple industries in Pennsylvania.

27:11 - Because it's not just about data centers we we need to grow the economy and the state

27:16 - that's what's going to cause us to be

27:18 - to be successful.

27:20 - Look at the states around us

27:22 - they have some really poor energy policy

27:25 - new Jersey Rosie

27:26 - Maryland for example

27:28 - you know they're they're enacting mandates they're enacting

27:31 - policies

27:32 - that actually restrict

27:34 - energy development

27:35 - and Pennsylvania is still a major exporter of energy

27:40 - my number one concern is that we have

27:42 - an energy policy in Pennsylvania that supports

27:45 - energy growth

27:47 - to support ratepayers in the state

27:49 - and and to not let poor energy policy in other states.

27:53 - Harm the ratepayers here in our state

27:55 - I represent Fiedler and represent them cause I thank you very much

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29:39 - we're talking about energy policy here in Pennsylvania

29:43 - and this is the last question about data centers I guess I promise

29:47 - and I just want you to consider

29:49 - Stacy garrity has an idea she's the treasure here in

29:52 - Pennsylvania she is calling for a pause on data control

29:56 - on

29:57 - Data center

29:58 - projects she thinks she's

30:00 - we're moving along too quickly

30:01 - what do you think of

30:03 - taking a break before we go any farther represented Fiedler.

30:07 - So I think in the days and weeks

30:10 - to come.

30:11 - We only have a week and a half

30:12 - days certainly to come you will see legislation to further regulate data centers

30:19 - coming out.

30:21 - Committees in the house and and ultimately hopefully to the floor.

30:25 - I that will.

30:28 - I.

30:29 - Helped to put in place even more strict

30:33 - guardrails and protections along those lines

30:36 - we do have a bill

30:37 - prohibiting non disclosure agreements

30:39 - for developers to access the tax credit that's something we expect to

30:43 - put out of our committee tomorrow and there are

30:45 - other bills that are expected to be coming out of.

30:48 - I

30:49 - Grid coming out and then also a bill coming out of

30:51 - local government that would accomplish something similar

30:54 - you know I think it is a recognition that

30:57 - as I said in the very beginning local elected officials are overwhelmed these are

31:01 - huge developments these are companies that have

31:04 - teams of lawyers and other folks who you know

31:08 - come into these these

31:09 - towns and municipalities

31:11 - and in many ways overwhelm

31:14 - the local elected officials

31:15 - these are people the local elected do a tremendous job

31:18 - of covering a lot of different things but we need to

31:22 - give them the time and the tools and the support

31:24 - as a state to make the best decision for their

31:27 - their law local.

31:29 - Municipality and I think

31:31 - we will see some things moving along that line and you

31:33 - know governorship your house put out is putting out.

31:37 - Grid which I think is a

31:39 - strong piece of legislation that we expect to move in the house that will help to

31:43 - further ensure accountability on these projects

31:45 - or what do you think representative cause or should

31:47 - Pennsylvania press the pause button for data centers.

31:51 - It's important for us to have guard rails in place

31:53 - and I think that's what we're focused on right now

31:56 - guard rails to make sure that.

31:59 - Our local communities have the tools they need

32:02 - to make

32:02 - decisions regarding their own communities

32:05 - I think we're working very hard.

32:07 - On the

32:08 - energy side of things to make sure they bring

32:10 - their own energy I think it's import isn't

32:12 - as the chairman said that we

32:14 - provide resources for

32:16 - for local communities to be able to to make these decisions

32:19 - the one thing that I do want to point out is

32:22 - our governor also proposed a site

32:24 - for energy projects which I think that

32:27 - hasn't gotten much attention lately but this is a piece

32:30 - of legislation that I would have taken away local control

32:34 - as it

32:35 - as it

32:36 - deals with where to site energy projects and that would have taken away

32:40 - and

32:41 - be.

32:43 - Authority of local officials in the siting decisions and and I think that

32:48 - that that is particularly problematic we need to make sure

32:51 - that local officials local township supervisors and borough council members and

32:57 - and county commissioners

32:59 - local officials.

33:00 - Who know their communities best

33:02 - habits

33:03 - have a say

33:04 - in

33:05 - Where these projects are cited

33:07 - and guard rails in place

33:09 - to protect their own communities

33:12 - while we continue growth in our communities we we need growth in this commonwealth

33:17 - and whether we're talking about data centers or other projects

33:21 - we need policies that support the growth in the commonwealth.

33:25 - Or the governor is proposing an energy program called the lightning plan and has

33:30 - several points to it and one of them has to do

33:32 - with changing the state's energy portfolio in other words

33:37 - changing the balance of different forms of energy

33:40 - a representative Fiedler

33:42 - what can you tell us about that.

33:45 - The lesson plan is a proposal from the administration that's been out there for

33:49 - awhile a number of the bills from

33:51 - that package did come to our committee including the one that I'm.

33:57 - Chairman concert just mentioned reset which was the siting board

34:01 - you know I think.

34:02 - Ultimately we need to in my opinion we need to get more energy online and that

34:07 - absolutely includes renewable energy

34:09 - I do think that there's a role for the state to

34:11 - play but quite honestly I hadn't focused very much.

34:14 - On the bills that are in our committee either ones were voting out in the next few

34:18 - days or bills that we've already voted out

34:21 - so I think there are many other opportunities that we

34:23 - can pursue I including small modular reactors which

34:26 - the chairman mentioned I was proud I believe that came out

34:29 - unanimously that is a

34:31 - future you know looking to the future the near future and saying what other sources

34:35 - of energy can we get online and not sm arbil bell belongs to my colleague rep

34:39 - Jose draw we also have geothermal legislation from rep then cat

34:44 - we have legislation too

34:46 - from Jacqueline roughneck house bill

34:48 - twelve sixty that would require that large

34:51 - warehouses in the commonwealth be built solar ready

34:54 - and that's actually really smart business decision we know from the industry group

34:58 - that represents these folks that these large warehouse sites that

35:01 - it's actually easier for them to lease out a large where house if it's solar ready

35:05 - because it's so common sense for them to be able to put panels up

35:09 - and generate their own energy this is on top of a warehouse so maybe not as

35:12 - controversial as some other locations for

35:15 - solar panels in different communities but

35:17 - certainly a great source of free energy the sun is shining down and so these

35:21 - warehouse folks say yes absolutely we'll use that energy in our building

35:25 - so I think there are absolutely things that we are

35:27 - doing certainly doing in the energy committee and

35:30 - when we can doing it on a bipartisan basis quite honestly and that is not always the

35:34 - case it's not always possible as the chairman knows

35:38 - but we do strive to do that there are other bills that we have like house bill twenty

35:41 - five ninety five that we're voting out tomorrow

35:44 - for rep angles

35:45 - that would speed up the interconnection process hope to get more energy online

35:50 - cutting the red tape and making sure that

35:52 - developers are not sitting waiting for months and years to see whether they can put

35:56 - some of this clean energy on the grid but to expedite that process

35:59 - so you know I know the lightning clan was it did include a number of pieces of

36:03 - legislation I some of them are still out there

36:05 - that said we are working very very hard on the

36:08 - pieces in front of us in our community right now.

36:11 - Represented cause what do you think of the state's

36:13 - energy portfolio and would you like to change the balance

36:16 - of different forms of energy within the.

36:19 - I biggest concerns

36:21 - centers around mandates and

36:24 - changes to the alternative energy portfolio standards

36:27 - are essentially a mandate to get certain

36:30 - a certain amount of energy from certain sources and I'm one of the few members that

36:35 - was in the legislature when the original.

36:38 - Hps was passed years ago and

36:41 - and now to

36:43 - to see what the governor's

36:44 - is proposing

36:46 - would be a huge mandate to get energy from certain sources

36:50 - I think that will have the effect

36:52 - of

36:52 - Increasing energy costs in the commonwealth so I have serious concerns with

36:57 - with the governor's proposal

36:59 - without parole curricular bill

37:01 - and

37:01 - I think that we need an all of the above strategy when it comes to energy

37:05 - I don't think that we need to pick winners and losers

37:08 - and a change to the ps

37:11 - is a huge mandate that will increase costs

37:15 - you know some of the other things that we need to be focused on

37:18 - and I think we've made some progress you know getting rid of Reggie for example

37:22 - with his is huge progress in this state.

37:25 - Because Reggie was holding us back

37:27 - and we've made some progress on the permitting side of things.

37:32 - Or.

37:33 - As it relates to energy projects

37:35 - but I really think that we can do more

37:38 - to encourage energy growth and development in the state

37:41 - chairwoman Fiedler mentioned some some bipartisan efforts that that

37:44 - we have.

37:46 - That we worked together on

37:48 - I think there will be more biber bipartisan effort

37:51 - and

37:52 - but we really need to to get more energy on the grid

37:56 - and we don't need costly.

37:58 - Expensive mandates

38:00 - that are going to mandate certain forms of energy.

38:04 - Represents cause he pointed out that

38:06 - Pennsylvania is out of the Reggie

38:09 - program r a g g I and that's the

38:11 - limiting

38:12 - carbon emissions from power plants

38:14 - however there is another version being proposed

38:17 - and that's

38:17 - the pacer program p a c e r

38:20 - what's the feedback on that is still is that still

38:23 - being considered by lawmakers represent of causing.

38:27 - Well

38:28 - we we dealt with Reggie for

38:30 - several years and.

38:32 - I fought hard against Reggie and as you stated Reggie is gone

38:36 - and

38:37 - the governor

38:38 - and part of his lightning plan

38:40 - immediately turned around and and created or

38:44 - proposed his own

38:45 - form of Reggie which will be a statewide

38:48 - carbon tax

38:50 - which would have the same effect

38:52 - damaging if the fact that Reggie would have so I think

38:55 - I think that.

38:57 - That takes us in the wrong direction

38:59 - I'm firmly opposed to that we need energy policy

39:02 - that actually supports

39:04 - growth

39:05 - and development in Pennsylvania

39:07 - and.

39:09 - That particular bill is as misguided and I don't

39:12 - I don't

39:12 - think there is bipartisan opposition

39:15 - to that particular proposal

39:17 - represent Fiedler what do you think of the

39:18 - pacer program which would limit carbon emissions

39:22 - at least it's goal would be to limit carbon emissions from power plants.

39:26 - I think there are valuable pieces of both pacer and crafts I that would you know make

39:32 - sure that we're talking about jobs here in Pennsylvania making sure that we have a

39:36 - highly trained workforce making sure we aren't limiting air and water pollution

39:40 - that's incredibly important make sure we aren't getting more renewable energy online

39:44 - so I think there are pieces of both of those pieces up ledge nestle should not are

39:48 - valuable and should be part of our path forward

39:51 - that said I think you know we are in a moment that is

39:54 - both an affordability crisis and an energy crisis and it's the working class middle

40:00 - class and poor people in our districts for a feeling at

40:03 - the hardest right now but it's really only going to spread as bills go up and so I

40:06 - think this moment is one in which

40:08 - you know chairman concert and I might disagree

40:10 - about details but we do agree we need to

40:13 - strengthen our grid make it more reliable we need to get more energy online and we

40:17 - need to squeeze as much energy out of our existing grid as possible we also have to

40:22 - build called the eighty ti's advanced transportation technologies

40:26 - which passed the house house unanimously

40:28 - unanimously

40:30 - and for energy policy that I think that should count as

40:32 - like doubly impressive because that is very hard to do

40:36 - that said it is hardware and software upgrades to

40:38 - our existing transmission lines the life that you see

40:41 - running in front of your house and it really gets the

40:44 - most out of those existing lines so we're not losing any

40:47 - process of it being transferred

40:49 - that is an energy efficiency measure

40:51 - that we should be taking as a commonwealth and some of

40:54 - the house can pass that unanimously I see no

40:56 - reason that we wouldn't be able to get it through

40:58 - hopefully in the upper chamber and it would result in

41:01 - savings for people regular people in all of our district so

41:04 - I know for me that is where my mind is that is where I am focuses on the work of the

41:09 - this these pieces of legislation that we are

41:11 - trying to get out get out with bipartisan support

41:14 - and to try to save people money

41:16 - and so I think we've got a lot of legislation we have done in the committee I'm

41:20 - grateful to the chairman and his staff for

41:22 - being good partners and talking these things through and when we can get to agreement

41:26 - we do and we work really hard to get it over the line

41:28 - let's talk more about the consumers of energy and the idea that the governor is

41:34 - considering pulling Pennsylvania out of pjm that's a power grid company but

41:39 - how about a brief refresher on what pj and his

41:43 - and the wide significant to ratepayers in Pennsylvania.

41:48 - Representative causer would you like to take that.

41:51 - Bizarre regional grid operator and they operate in thirteen states and

41:55 - and

41:55 - so they're like the traffic controller of the grid

41:58 - and there have been multiple concerns about

42:01 - operations of pjm and and.

42:04 - There have been concerns about.

42:07 - The length of time it takes to get more energy on the grid so

42:11 - I but I think it's

42:13 - a lot of that

42:14 - while it's being directed a pjm and some of

42:16 - the criticism certainly belongs with them but

42:20 - but a lot of it revolves around poor energy policy some states as I mentioned

42:25 - have but

42:25 - an extremely HP poor energy policy Maryland for example.

42:30 - Has enacted

42:31 - and

42:32 - you know plans

42:33 - that

42:34 - actually restrict energy production in the state

42:37 - and and are relying on other states like Pennsylvania for their energy and in

42:42 - new Jersey is the same way.

42:45 - My concern is

42:47 - that.

42:48 - War policy in other states shouldn't affect ratepayers in Pennsylvania

42:53 - and

42:54 - my focus is protecting.

42:57 - Ratepayers in Pennsylvania so that their electric bills are not going up

43:01 - just because of poor decisions in other states and

43:05 - and and we need to do everything we can to preach protect the ratepayers in

43:08 - Pennsylvania Pennsylvania is an energy powerhouse we have always been

43:13 - an ex border of energy

43:15 - we need to make sure that we maintain that status

43:18 - and and actually grow it because we have more opportunity in the state

43:23 - we can produce way more energy than what we're producing right now

43:26 - so

43:27 - Not only can we strengthen the grid in this state

43:30 - and

43:31 - we can actually benefit every state around us

43:33 - but what we really need to do is strengthen the grid in this state

43:37 - to protect the ratepayers in this state

43:40 - and grow our opportunities in this state

43:42 - are represented Fiedler what are your concerns about pjm.

43:47 - So I think many of the concerns that as lawmakers we hear from folks.

43:53 - In Harrisburg and also in our districts

43:55 - related to pjm many of the concerns are similar

43:58 - as you heard from chairman cost it correctly this is

44:01 - a regional organization that seeks to cover thirteen states so that is.

44:06 - A large task in and of itself knowing that all these states have different needs and

44:10 - have different energy policies as as I think the chairman rightfully pointed out

44:14 - and

44:15 - one of the largest problems that people voice with pjm

44:18 - interconnection queue

44:19 - which has

44:20 - historically been

44:21 - long and taken a very long time

44:24 - and that is important because that gets back to the

44:26 - original point of the need to get more energy online

44:29 - and so we need to make sure that if there are obstacles to

44:32 - getting more energy online making sure people have reliable

44:35 - service making sure we keep their bills in check

44:38 - then we are taking a hard look at those things and I think pjm could potentially be

44:42 - one of those pieces you've heard the governor talk about it

44:45 - I know my colleague.

44:47 - Rob maxie had house

44:49 - resolution three sixty one

44:51 - which just earlier this month we passed unanimously out of the house

44:56 - this resolution for

44:57 - chairman Max he would

44:59 - direct the the commonwealth to study the financial benefits and the costs of

45:04 - remaining in pjm and so I think it's a legislature

45:07 - we are doing the hard and important work of taking

45:10 - a look at the status quo the existing structure

45:13 - and

45:13 - trying to figure out if it makes sense for the folks we represent back home

45:17 - I don't think that we have that answer ultimately and I

45:19 - do know that the governor himself and the administration

45:22 - is taking a hard look as well to figure out is this a model that makes sense for us

45:27 - especially as we anticipate that the affordability and energy crisis probably will

45:32 - continue I until some things change and some of those things that may change are out

45:36 - of our control whether all of these projects come on line technological advances

45:41 - and whether we get more energy generation online

45:43 - and those are all pieces that are you know

45:46 - it's quite a complex picture to try to predict future so I will hesitate to

45:50 - I would hesitate to do that but I think we need to do everything we can right now to

45:54 - try to keep people's bells in check and their service as reliable as possible

45:58 - we have about two minutes left in our program and I hope

46:01 - both of you can find time to answer the following question

46:04 - represent of a Fiddler you first how much progress

46:07 - have you seen been moving from

46:09 - fossil fuels to

46:10 - cleaner and sustainable forms of energy.

46:14 - I think we are making progress I think that there are many shared goals in both sides

46:19 - on both sides of the aisle and in both chambers making sure that the workforce that

46:23 - builds and

46:24 - maintains energy infrastructure is highly qualified highly trained ideally from here

46:29 - in Pennsylvania I think that is a shared goal

46:32 - I think we are making progress I think it is essential two keeping people's bills

46:36 - as low as possible

46:38 - and as I said to getting energy online quickly

46:41 - and for a relatively low cost that is a benefit

46:43 - of renewable energy we know what is true

46:46 - and I am hopeful that we can continue to move in that direction that said we do know

46:50 - that different forms of energy play different roles

46:53 - and have different value in our lives and stuff we've got a cold snap in the winter

46:56 - we might be relying on a different kind of energy that

46:59 - you know a more mild day in may

47:01 - so I think it is it is a complex mix we need to have open minds and open

47:05 - hearts and I

47:07 - continue to work really hard because the people back home are counting on us to make

47:10 - smart decisions and to come to the table when we can

47:13 - and representative cause or how do you feel about.

47:16 - Moving from fossil fuels to cleaner and renewable

47:19 - energy is that an inevitable thing that we're pursuing in Pennsylvania.

47:24 - We have a huge opportunity in Pennsylvania when it comes to energy production

47:28 - we need more energy on the grid

47:29 - fossil fuels provide

47:31 - the majority of the energy that we use them this commonwealth

47:34 - and we have more opportunity with fossil fuels across the state

47:38 - we the bottom line is

47:40 - we need to get more energy on the grid

47:42 - sources of energy like nat natural gas

47:45 - our sources that we can put on the grid quickly

47:48 - and provide real base load energy so fossil fuels are

47:52 - a huge component of our energy industry

47:56 - I think that we can do more with fossil fuels

47:58 - I think that we need to get multiple sources of energy on the grid

48:02 - we can strengthen our grid we can have additional

48:05 - growth and opportunity in this commonwealth

48:08 - if we

48:08 - broaden our energy policy

48:11 - if we are open to the fact that

48:13 - we can put more

48:14 - fossil fuels on the grid like natural gas

48:17 - and this will will increase our supply of energy

48:21 - that will ultimately bring down the cost of energy strength then our grid

48:25 - and provide more opportunity across the commonwealth

48:28 - our guests have been representative Martin causer

48:31 - the minority chair of the pa house energy committee

48:34 - and representative Elizabeth Fiedler majority chair

48:38 - of the pa house energy committee thanks for joining us thank you so much and

48:43 - thank you very much p CNN's Ellen fronds talk to representative Greg Scott about a

48:48 - bill that addresses so called forever chemicals.

48:53 - Welcome to our program

48:54 - he has proposed legislation to ban p f a s forever

48:57 - chemicals from certain products in Pennsylvania

49:00 - what are these chemicals.

49:03 - Great question so these are common chemicals that we may

49:06 - all use we just don't even know so you're a cook a fry and

49:10 - cook an egg in a fry pan a non-stick coating

49:12 - typically there is something like that how about an iron

49:15 - when you go to iron your clothes there in products like that

49:18 - you ever flown an airplane the the rubber in the coils that go through

49:23 - the rubber

49:24 - for the airplanes typically.

49:26 - It is coated with p face laden chemicals p face is a chemical

49:30 - that is and acts as an adhesive and it repels water

49:34 - essentially and that's at a high level of how to describe what it is

49:38 - now what health risks do these chemicals impose on the general public.

49:42 - Great I mean pie people are incredibly effective at with their

49:46 - with their supposed to do keeping water out

49:48 - and

49:49 - keeping

49:50 - products going

49:51 - but when that.

49:53 - Fabric is broken and the pfs is able to escape out of those

49:58 - it can be very harmful

50:00 - to human beings so we're seeing it in well water

50:03 - where there's a chemical spill

50:05 - or near a multi.

50:07 - Large

50:08 - multinational corporations and they have an industrial

50:12 - discharge and then that water that gets in the the water

50:15 - and that's a problem

50:16 - and so.

50:18 - I.

50:19 - P face

50:20 - on a hole

50:21 - and

50:22 - it can be effective if used appropriately the problem is

50:26 - it's getting ingested in in human beings and so we want to make sure

50:29 - that we're protecting consumers has as much as we possibly can

50:33 - buy these harmful products if we want to remove them not from everything

50:36 - but from four specific categories from dental products

50:39 - we don't believe there should be a floss because

50:41 - if it breaks and it's in your mouth thick easy the da

50:44 - easily to digest

50:46 - also cosmetic and makeup products

50:48 - how about menstrual products tampons if it's

50:50 - going inside of your body maybe we shouldn't

50:53 - have a chemical that if it breaks down

50:55 - can cause you

50:56 - several cancer or other potential cancers

50:58 - and the last category that we're doing

51:00 - is also in juvenile products think of pacifiers

51:03 - I think

51:04 - products like that if it's going into a baby

51:06 - we don't want these harmful chemicals

51:08 - and and in those four categories

51:11 - so how would this bill work would it prevent

51:14 - products with these chemicals from being sold in Pennsylvania or

51:18 - from being created in Pennsylvania how can Pennsylvania monitor

51:21 - the usage of these chemicals

51:23 - to great question the first

51:24 - this

51:25 - legislation aims to do is raise a level of awareness a lot of folks especially

51:28 - consumers at my brand new father myself

51:31 - have a nine month old I didn't even know that this was

51:33 - that these things were in baby products or that my

51:35 - baby can be exposed to so adding a level of awareness

51:38 - the second thing that this legislation aims to do

51:40 - is to make sure that businesses and corporations

51:43 - are aware that the the

51:44 - the state is watching

51:46 - and we want them to do better you can build these products without p fast it's safer

51:51 - and may cost a little bit more money

51:52 - we want to make sure that consumers have an option so this bill

51:56 - will simply

51:56 - say that hey if you're going to sell those

51:58 - products one we've got to make sure they're labeled

52:00 - and if you're going to sell them here there should be.

52:03 - There should be a level that count ability with respect to manufacturers

52:07 - and the consumers knowing that those products exist.

52:10 - Are there other states with legislation like this in place.

52:14 - There are other states that are considering or have proposed and some like Maine have

52:18 - implemented their own can consumer wide ban on consumer products statewide

52:23 - so there are other sister certainly considering this

52:26 - this is the first bill that has narrowed it down to these four specific categories.

52:31 - Lastly where is this bill in the legislative process currently.

52:36 - Too great question

52:37 - this bill currently I just passed the house commerce committee not too long ago

52:42 - it passed in a bipartisan fashion

52:44 - unanimously

52:45 - across committee

52:47 - and now it awaits for

52:48 - consideration

52:49 - and the full house which we anticipate

52:52 - or hope to have

52:53 - in the the late

52:54 - the fall so hopefully November October

52:57 - November is when we anticipate that this bill will run that's our hope at least

53:01 - representative Greg Scott thank you for joining us.

53:04 - Thank you so much.

53:07 - Thanks to Ellen for that interview

53:09 - before we go

53:10 - here's a reminder about journalists roundtable this week

53:14 - our guests will be nn Janelle a from capitol wire state affairs cat

53:19 - bolus from wv I a

53:22 - and Zach hoops

53:23 - from penn live

53:25 - they'll be here Thursday

53:26 - at sec even pm.

53:28 - That said for the

53:29 - and capital preview on Larry Casper thanks for watching.

53:35 - Hmm.

53:49 - It.