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00:05 - Welcome to PMA perspective, your weekly half hour news

00:08 - program on Pennsylvania business, government and politics.

00:12 - I'm your host, David Taylor.

00:13 - President and CEO of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association.

00:17 - Recently, we had the chance to join the National Association of Manufacturers

00:21 - for a stop on their state of Manufacturing tour in Philadelphia,

00:25 - hosted at historic Carpenters Hall as part of the America 250 commemoration.

00:30 - The conversation brought together leaders from across manufacturing, business

00:34 - and the civic community to talk about what comes next,

00:37 - how innovation continues to drive American manufacturing.

00:41 - What it will take to stay competitive,

00:43 - and how to build the workforce and energy systems needed for the future.

00:48 - In a moment, we'll share highlights from that discussion.

00:50 - Later on, I talked with Jay Timmons, president and CEO of the Nam,

00:55 - to dig deeper into these issues, what manufacturers need right now

00:59 - and what's at stake for the next generation of American industry.

01:04 - PMA perspective starts now.

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01:37 - It goes without saying, but let's say it anyway.

01:40 - Manufacturing is a powerhouse.

01:43 - We drive America's prosperity.

01:45 - We strengthen our nation's competitiveness.

01:48 - And that's why we say when manufacturing wins, America wins.

01:54 - Everyone in this room understands that fact, and we all understand that

01:57 - even the most innovative manufacturers do not succeed entirely on their own.

02:03 - Manufacturers succeed because America is a place

02:07 - where builders, where makers, and where innovators thrive.

02:12 - Today, the strength of our industry, the future

02:16 - of America's stature as the best place to make things.

02:21 - It all depends

02:22 - on smart public policy for manufacturers to grow more, to invest more.

02:28 - We need a framework that reduces uncertainty, that strengthens

02:32 - our competitiveness, that unlocks innovation,

02:36 - and that lowers the cost of doing business right here at home.

02:40 - That is how we secure America's industrial leadership.

02:44 - That cause that message?

02:46 - It's the purpose

02:47 - of our state of manufacturing tour, not only this year, but every year.

02:52 - Yesterday, as I said, we kicked things off in Cleveland, Ohio, at the Rock

02:55 - and Roll Hall of Fame, and I spoke to I spoke about the momentum

03:00 - of our industry.

03:01 - Manufacturers are ready to grow.

03:04 - We're ready to invest.

03:06 - We're ready to lead.

03:08 - And frankly, thanks to President Trump and the Congress,

03:11 - we now have a foundation for lasting growth.

03:14 - The tax and investment provisions of H.R.

03:16 - one that was passed last year and signed into law on July the 4th

03:20 - by the president, manufacturers drove that legislation together.

03:26 - We stood together to make sure that we were advocating

03:30 - what the positive benefits of that legislation would be,

03:33 - and that legislation made the 2017 tax reforms permanent.

03:38 - That was a milestone, and it resulted in rocket fuel.

03:41 - Back in 2017, it resulted in rocket fuel for our industry.

03:45 - In fact, the president of the United States

03:47 - said exactly that when he announced his tax plan

03:50 - at our board of directors meeting in September of 2017.

03:53 - That rocket has now been refueled because of the legislation that passed last year.

03:59 - So we're ready to keep our promises

04:02 - to turn the provisions of tax reform and H.R.

04:06 - one into durable investments.

04:09 - But before we do that, we need to clear the skies.

04:13 - Uncertainty and volatility must come down.

04:18 - Now, as I said yesterday in Cleveland, that means that Congress

04:21 - and the administration alike need to finish the job that they've

04:24 - started delivering what we call a comprehensive manufacturing strategy.

04:30 - First, secure America's energy dominance.

04:34 - And we do that with permitting reform.

04:37 - We need to build more things, and we need to build them more quickly.

04:40 - Second, modernize regulations to give our industry strength

04:44 - and certainty, including to innovate.

04:48 - Third, invest in the workforce of the future.

04:52 - Fourth, drive common sense trade policy so that we can build more things

04:57 - in America, as well as to sell things

05:01 - to markets around the world.

05:04 - That's the strategy growth

05:06 - built by policy that works.

05:09 - Now, it's fitting that we've gathered here in Carpenters Hall.

05:12 - Yesterday we stood in a hall that celebrates makers,

05:17 - makers of music, makers of things.

05:20 - Today we gather in a hall that honors builders,

05:24 - the people who shaped our republic and the people who will shape its future.

05:28 - As we approach America's 250th anniversary, the choices

05:32 - that manufacturers make will shape what comes next.

05:36 - Because America's story belongs to the builders

05:39 - and manufacturers have always helped write that story.

05:43 - The next 250 years, it begins now.

05:48 - At your seats,

05:49 - you'll see the embodiment of our shared commitment.

05:53 - We call it the Manufacturers Accord.

05:55 - For the next 250 years.

05:58 - It is a symbol of our shared commitment to build a stronger America,

06:03 - one shaped not only by the value of manufacturing, but by the values

06:08 - that are at the heart of manufacturing

06:11 - free enterprise, competitiveness,

06:15 - individual liberty, and equal opportunity.

06:18 - Take a moment to study the accord, and later this morning

06:20 - we're going to invite you to sign it as we invite manufacturing leaders

06:24 - from all across our country in the months ahead.

06:28 - Because as manufacturers, we keep our promises and we'll keep this one too.

06:34 - And uphold the values of the accord.

06:37 - Because, as Ben Franklin reminded us, we have a republic.

06:43 - If we can keep it

06:45 - manufacturers, I can guarantee you will do our part.

06:48 - And with the right policy framework in place,

06:50 - we're going to build an even stronger America.

06:53 - You know, just as leaders once gathered here to debate the future

06:57 - of a new nation, today's manufacturing business

07:02 - and civic leaders are coming together here this morning to shape

07:06 - the next chapter of American innovation,

07:09 - competitiveness and opportunity.

07:12 - And as manufacturers, we spend our time thinking about long term investments,

07:17 - not quarters, but often decades.

07:20 - More than 250 years ago, leaders gathered here at Carpenter's

07:25 - Hall to debate hard questions about the country's future

07:29 - with different perspectives but a shared responsibility.

07:34 - This is not about reenacting history, but learning from it.

07:38 - Carpenters Hall reminds us that serious progress comes from dialog.

07:43 - Over the course of this year,

07:47 - we'll draw similar inspiration around the country

07:50 - as we commemorate America's 250th anniversary.

07:55 - America 250 is a chance to connect the role

07:57 - of manufacturing in building the country

08:01 - with what it'll take to compete successfully and lead going forward.

08:06 - Manufacturing leaders have always helped shape

08:09 - the nation's economic direction, and that responsibility continues.

08:14 - The United States is in global competition for investment,

08:20 - for talent, technology and for energy.

08:24 - Whether manufacturing in the US wins the future

08:27 - depends on getting the conditions right.

08:31 - Tax policy implemented that supports

08:34 - investment and long term planning.

08:37 - Building on the landmark 2025 tax legislation,

08:42 - regulatory certainty and permitting reform so projects can move forward.

08:47 - Energy dominance and affordability to power production.

08:51 - Workforce development, which is one of my particular passions

08:55 - to build the next generation of makers.

08:59 - Trade and market access.

09:00 - So U.S.

09:01 - manufacturers can compete globally.

09:05 - Technology leadership, including automation

09:08 - and artificial intelligence to stay ahead.

09:12 - Manufacturers have always

09:13 - shaped the economic direction of the country.

09:16 - Today is another opportunity to do exactly that.

09:20 - So much of Manufacturing's leadership and innovation are shaped

09:24 - right here in Philadelphia and across Pennsylvania.

09:28 - And I'm pleased to welcome a leader representing the work

09:31 - manufacturers do every day across the Keystone State.

09:35 - David Taylor, who's the president and CEO

09:39 - of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association.

09:42 - Thanks, as always, to our allies at the National Association

09:45 - of Manufacturers, Jay Timmons, Erin Streeter and the entire

09:48 - Nam team for bringing the State of Manufacturing tour

09:51 - to the Cradle of Liberty, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

09:55 - I'm honored to be with leaders from business, manufacturing and civic

09:59 - life here in Old City at historic Carpenters Hall,

10:03 - the official birthplace of our Commonwealth.

10:06 - Pennsylvania has long been one of the top manufacturing states in the nation.

10:10 - Manufacturing is our largest private sector industry at 11% of GDP

10:15 - and a foundation of our economic strength.

10:18 - Pennsylvania manufacturers contribute $110 billion in value added every year,

10:24 - directly employing over a half million Pennsylvanians on the plant floor.

10:28 - And that, in turn, that core manufacturing activities supports

10:33 - millions of additional jobs and supply chains,

10:36 - distribution networks, and vendors of industrial services.

10:40 - Manufacturing adds the most value, offers

10:43 - the best wages and benefits in the marketplace, and upholds

10:47 - the quality of life in our communities by providing a strong local tax base

10:52 - from advanced

10:53 - materials, including industrial metals and chemicals,

10:56 - to energy equipment, to defense, life sciences and food and beverage.

11:00 - Pennsylvania's manufacturers are building with purpose

11:04 - and investing for the future.

11:05 - This year, The nation marks America 250, a story

11:09 - centered in Pennsylvania, beginning here in Philadelphia.

11:13 - This milestone moment gives us a chance to reflect on how manufacturing has built

11:18 - this country and also how to sustain that engine of prosperity going forward.

11:24 - Competitiveness, innovation and leadership.

11:28 - Pennsylvania manufacturing built America's critical infrastructure,

11:32 - raised the skylines of the nation's cities,

11:34 - and produced the material to win two world wars.

11:38 - So today, the question becomes, how can we remain

11:41 - strong and grow stronger?

11:44 - Whether it's technology, leadership, energy and infrastructure,

11:47 - reforming, permitting or implementing

11:49 - pro-growth tax policies, along with many other key issues?

11:53 - These are not abstractions.

11:56 - The outcome of these issues will determine where capital flows, where jobs grow,

12:01 - and whether America is the best place in the world to make things.

12:05 - The Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association is proud to be Nam's state partner,

12:09 - working for a shared competitiveness agenda.

12:13 - Our businesses are aligned in advancing policies that help manufacturers

12:17 - invest here, hire here, and compete everywhere.

12:22 - We are at a moment of reflection

12:24 - when our past success points us toward an even brighter future.

12:31 - Jay Timmons, president and CEO of the National Association of Manufacturers.

12:35 - So good to be with you.

12:36 - Good to be with you again, David.

12:38 - So here we are at historic Carpenters Hall in Philadelphia.

12:42 - Jay, can you tell us why this is the right moment?

12:45 - On as we Approach America 250.

12:48 - Why this is the time to think about the next 250 years of American manufacturing?

12:53 - Absolutely.

12:53 - Manufacturing made America what it is.

12:56 - The greatness of America has been really embedded in the ability

13:00 - of our people to to create, to build, to make.

13:04 - It has supercharged our economy and fed,

13:09 - the very DNA of our country, which is which is freedom and opportunity.

13:13 - There's a wonderful quote, apparently from The Times of London.

13:16 - It's said that the Americans invent,

13:19 - as the Greeks sculpted and the Italians painted.

13:23 - It is genius.

13:24 - And I think that that's absolutely true, that that spirit of innovation,

13:28 - they called it Yankee ingenuity, is a real hallmark of our national character.

13:33 - So you are here on the, State of Manufacturing Tour 2026.

13:38 - Can you tell us about the tour and what your mission is as you go about it?

13:42 - Yeah.

13:42 - So as we set the stage, if you will, for the next 250 years, David,

13:46 - as you know, as you so effectively do, you're in your team here in Pennsylvania.

13:51 - We want to make sure that our our federal legislators

13:55 - are focused on a comprehensive manufacturing strategy.

13:58 - So we we actually began and in Cleveland, Ohio, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

14:03 - And why do we choose the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

14:05 - We wanted to highlight innovation.

14:07 - Musicians are innovators, and manufacturers are innovators.

14:11 - We also made the point that everything on the stage that folks saw,

14:16 - whether that was musical instruments or or speakers or the actual stage itself,

14:21 - all of that was manufactured here in the United States.

14:25 - You know, somebody had to have that idea and somebody had to create the product.

14:28 - Somebody had to build it, manufacture it.

14:31 - We're here today in Carpenters Hall, much more historic location,

14:35 - not the same architectural design as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

14:39 - But, what this stop did was it pointed out how important

14:43 - our foundational ideas were to creating

14:46 - the environment for success, for manufacturing in years to come.

14:49 - And that's why we want to renew that commitment with our

14:51 - with our manufacturers record for the next 250 years

14:54 - to focus on those four pillars that made America exceptional free

14:59 - enterprise, competitiveness, individual liberty and equal opportunity.

15:03 - And I know that you're early on in the tour,

15:06 - but thus far with the manufacturers you've encountered, what

15:09 - what have they been saying to you?

15:11 - You know, there is this I always find it fascinating, and uplifting.

15:17 - Manufacturers are eternal optimists.

15:20 - They're always optimistic because they're thinking about,

15:22 - you know, how can they how can they make the future better?

15:25 - With that optimism right now is a bit of cloudiness.

15:28 - And what we've been saying is, after 2017, with the tax reforms that Congress

15:33 - and the president that Congress passed, the president signed,

15:36 - and the renewal and, extension and improvements, even strengthening

15:42 - of those reforms in 2025, that was really the rocket fuel that manufacturers needed

15:48 - to give us a boost in terms of investment and job creation and wage growth.

15:52 - We saw record improvements in those areas.

15:55 - And after 2017.

15:57 - So we have that rocket fuel.

15:58 - We've got the rocket fuel of regulatory modernization,

16:01 - which the administration is, is working hard on.

16:05 - We've got the rocket fuel when it comes to energy dominance here in this country.

16:09 - But what we're hearing

16:10 - from manufacturers is there's still some cloudy skies.

16:13 - So until those skies are cleared, the rocket cannot take off.

16:18 - And what's causing those?

16:19 - What's causing that cloudiness at the federal level?

16:22 - Well, we have a commitment to energy dominance.

16:24 - We still have an issue with getting,

16:28 - getting projects off the ground, whether that's

16:30 - an energy project or even building a new manufacturing facility.

16:33 - So we need permitting reform.

16:35 - In terms of workforce development.

16:37 - We need to continue to focus on upskilling and future

16:42 - proofing the jobs in manufacturing, especially as new technologies like I

16:46 - come on board, which will be additive to the manufacturing workforce.

16:49 - But the truth of the matter is, David,

16:51 - and you know as well, we've talked about it a lot.

16:53 - We have 433,000 open jobs in the sector.

16:56 - So businesses need to focus on the skills that are necessary.

17:02 - Government needs to complement that with, the work that

17:06 - most states are doing with the help of grants from the federal government.

17:10 - And we also need to look at a, at a credible system of, of immigration.

17:15 - And so we need some immigration reform at the federal level and where

17:19 - legal immigration, of course, legal.

17:21 - Right.

17:21 - And, and we are working with, Maria Salazar, congresswoman, from,

17:26 - from Florida, on a bipartisan effort to do exactly that through the Dignity Act.

17:30 - And then lastly, I would say we need some certainty on the trade front.

17:33 - We know that President Trump likes tariffs.

17:36 - He believes that they're effective.

17:37 - There's mixed sentiment within the manufacturing sector on that.

17:41 - But we know that that's the direction the president's going.

17:43 - What we would like to see is we'd like to see some of the settle out.

17:47 - We need some certainty

17:48 - so that manufacturers can predict the cost of doing business here.

17:52 - And along with that comes, market access that's going to be critical.

17:57 - And the administration is focusing on opening new markets to our products

18:01 - to reach those 95% of customers who live outside of the borders

18:04 - of the United States.

18:06 - And the number one way we can do that is by renewing and strengthening

18:10 - the Usmca free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico, Canada and Mexico.

18:15 - That's right.

18:16 - So our manufacturing sector, of course, drives innovation.

18:20 - Looking at the industry,

18:23 - where would you say

18:24 - that American manufacturing is doing well with leading the way with innovation?

18:30 - What are other areas where we still need to to catch up?

18:33 - Well, I will tell you that,

18:34 - one of the most important ingredients to our success in that, in that regard

18:39 - was the renewal of the research and development, tax incentives

18:43 - that had expired a few years ago but were renewed in that tax bill.

18:48 - I mentioned H.R.

18:49 - one back in, I guess it was January.

18:52 - Pardon me, in July, July 4th, when President Trump signed that legislation.

18:56 - So that has helped us,

19:00 - supercharge innovation here

19:02 - and R&D in this country.

19:05 - Clearly, we are focused heavily

19:08 - on getting it right when it comes to artificial intelligence

19:12 - or AI.

19:15 - There are parameters that that we're negotiating

19:19 - and trying to figure out, you know, kind of what's right in that regard.

19:22 - But what we can say about AI is just like every technology

19:26 - that has preceded it, it will be additive to the manufacturing workforce.

19:31 - There's a lot of fear that I will take jobs away.

19:33 - We've not seen evidence of that.

19:34 - What we've seen is just like in past iterations

19:38 - of technological advancements, is our workers will need new skills.

19:42 - So let's revert back to let's circle back to,

19:46 - what I was talking about with workforce development.

19:48 - We have an obligation to make sure that our workers are trained

19:53 - appropriately, and these skills upskilled, if you will futureproof their jobs

19:58 - and use AI as an additive,

20:02 - to the manufacturing workforce so that we can become more productive

20:06 - and more efficient.

20:07 - We're very hopeful that Pennsylvania is going to be in the vanguard of that,

20:11 - artificial intelligence. Rob.

20:12 - Loser. Always in the vanguard.

20:14 - I mean, you think back to the energy revolution and you guys did it.

20:18 - Well, it's it's there's there's a lot more a lot more to be done.

20:21 - But yeah, we've made some exciting progress along the way.

20:24 - And it's because of, innovative things like,

20:28 - you know, hydraulic fracturing

20:29 - and horizontal drilling that we've been able to access the,

20:32 - the deep reserves of energy in Pennsylvania.

20:34 - And that is, what is that innovation?

20:38 - Well, precisely.

20:39 - And that's the that's the what may make possible

20:42 - the arrival of these, energy intensive data centers

20:46 - for artificial intelligence that that essentially

20:49 - over the next few years that Pennsylvania is going to need to double its,

20:53 - output of electricity, where, of course, we are already one of the,

20:57 - powerhouse states when it comes to energy.

20:59 - Our electricity generation.

21:01 - And so we're going to need a, a pro production

21:05 - consensus, not just in Washington, but also at the state level.

21:09 - And with our localities to get the policy, environment, right,

21:14 - so that we can get these things permitted, get them built and get them powered,

21:19 - because the worst outcome, of course, would be

21:21 - if these data centers got built and wound up drawing off of the grid

21:25 - and thereby becoming competitors with our incumbent,

21:29 - industrial, commercial and residential customers.

21:32 - So, you know, you make such a great point on that, David.

21:35 - And, I think this is where, honestly, the conversation gets a little lost.

21:41 - So when we talk about, for instance, permitting reform,

21:44 - what we're talking about is we're talking

21:45 - about streamlining the process to get stuff built.

21:49 - Right.

21:50 - So those could be,

21:52 - those could be manufacturing facilities, they could be energy development projects.

21:56 - They could be, utility projects that are improving the grid.

22:01 - Right.

22:02 - So if we get that done in Washington, then to your point,

22:07 - the states and localities have a role as well.

22:10 - And I think one of the most frustrating things that I have encountered

22:14 - is, you know, I'm a I'm a big believer in the 10th amendment and,

22:19 - and the state's ability to do things better than the federal government.

22:24 - But I got to tell you, it's pretty frustrating when it comes to energy,

22:27 - delivery and supply, because there is this there's this narrative

22:32 - that's developing that folks are having

22:36 - increased electricity bills because of these data centers.

22:40 - Right? They haven't even been built yet, mostly.

22:42 - Well, so I come from Virginia, and there's a lot of them that are built.

22:46 - And yes, we are seeing increases in our in our energy bills.

22:50 - And so my message is,

22:53 - okay, well, Virginia government, by the way, Republican and Democrat,

22:57 - we had a Republican governor where this was happening.

22:59 - We now have a Democratic governor.

23:00 - Prices are going up under both.

23:02 - Why is that?

23:03 - Well, we know that there's

23:05 - going to be increased demand, but that's not exactly a mystery.

23:09 - There was always going to be increased demand, right?

23:11 - I mean, we've got more people. We've got more buildings.

23:14 - I mean, just look at, you know, our advancements in lighting and, and

23:18 - and entertainment, there's always going to be an increased draw.

23:22 - Think about our homes and all the things that are now powered.

23:25 - So it's not a demand issue.

23:28 - It's a supply issue.

23:30 - And so so utilities are going to have

23:34 - to be able to improve the grid, improve

23:38 - the system of delivery, make it more efficient.

23:41 - Our grid is decades, decades. All right.

23:44 - But I feel bad for these utility companies in a way because they are monopolies.

23:50 - In most cases they probably like that.

23:52 - But our state policies encourage that.

23:55 - It encourages monopolization.

23:57 - Typically they are, they are governed

24:01 - by either politicians or appointees of politicians.

24:05 - Right.

24:06 - So so of course they're going to want to keep the rates low for consumers.

24:10 - But the only way to do that

24:11 - consistently is to increase the supply of electrical, electrical, delivery.

24:15 - Yeah. I mean, and you're exactly right about that.

24:18 - We need to have increased production, to increase supply, to satisfy

24:22 - customer demand.

24:23 - And that's the only way to keep prices reasonable.

24:25 - We're very proud

24:26 - that one of the things

24:27 - that Pennsylvania got right is that we do have a competitive market

24:30 - for electricity, which has helped with, with, with pricing.

24:33 - And, we're we're intent on defending the.

24:37 - You always teach something, David.

24:39 - I'm glad to know that I'm going to use that as an example

24:41 - now for the rest of the country, please do. Please do.

24:43 - And you know, and, Jay, as you continue the tour, it as you

24:48 - you go around America and and see the many different ways

24:52 - that manufacturing, is expressed and in our country, you know,

24:58 - you talk a lot about manufacturing as a, as a unifying force, as a common ground.

25:03 - Tell our viewers here the core of that message.

25:07 - Sure.

25:07 - Well, look, my grandfather, left the family farm to get into manufacturing

25:11 - because he knew it would be a, pathway to bring his family into the middle class.

25:16 - The economic power of manufacturing is a unifying force.

25:20 - Republicans and Democrats, every single one of them that I talked to want

25:24 - more manufacturing in the United States.

25:25 - But, you know, if they had their druthers, it'd be in their congressional district

25:28 - or their state.

25:29 - Why is that?

25:30 - It's because manufacturing pays better than any other sector on average.

25:34 - It helps build communities.

25:36 - It it improves quality of life. And,

25:41 - it brings

25:42 - people together also in this in the sense of policy,

25:45 - because if you don't get the policies right,

25:47 - circling back to what we how we started this conversation,

25:49 - if you don't get the policies right, then you don't grow manufacturing.

25:54 - Not every policy is unifying.

25:56 - I think it should be right.

25:58 - I think any time you can reduce the cost of doing business

26:01 - in the United States to create more jobs, more opportunities, more wages, yeah,

26:04 - I think that's a good thing.

26:05 - We were able to see that over the course of the last ten years in certain areas.

26:10 - You know, I think back to the infrastructure, Bill,

26:13 - we worked really hard to make sure that the papers in that bill

26:18 - would not raise the cost of doing business for manufacturers in the United States.

26:21 - And when we got rid of that,

26:23 - when we had the help of Republicans and Democrats getting rid of that provision,

26:28 - we were able to support Republicans

26:29 - and Democrats who voted for that infrastructure bill.

26:32 - And so that became a unifying policy

26:36 - objective, I think, for for the country.

26:39 - The same can be true in other areas, whether that's, again,

26:42 - permitting reform, immigration reform, trade policy.

26:46 - And my hope is tax and regulatory policy

26:49 - will eventually have a more unifying impact as well.

26:53 - Well, Jay, we thank you so much for your leadership.

26:55 - We thank you for bringing the tour, here to Pennsylvania and wish you the absolute

26:59 - best on the rest of your journey around the country.

27:03 - For our viewers, where can they go to learn more

27:06 - about you and the Nam and the work that you're doing?

27:09 - So, of course, our website at npr.org.

27:12 - Lots of

27:13 - information about our policy positions and also how each individual

27:18 - can get active, because you know, this as as well as anybody, David,

27:23 - every single person has a voice in this choir.

27:26 - And we need citizens.

27:30 - Business leaders have every day, folks, to call their members of Congress

27:35 - and senators to say, we want this country to come together

27:39 - for the good of the American people and work on policies that will reduce the cost

27:43 - of doing business in the United States and make us more competitive.

27:47 - Nobody does a better job at that than you and your team.

27:50 - I want to thank you so much for all you do

27:52 - for Pennsylvania and our country as well.

27:54 - Thank you so much. Great to be with you.

27:56 - Thank you. My friend. Good to see you.

28:00 - Well, that's all the time we have for this week's program.

28:03 - PMA perspective returns next week, and until then, stay current on what's

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