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00:06 - It was just ten years ago

00:08 - that the doors to this unbelievable facility that we now know

00:12 - as a national museum of Industrial History opened.

00:16 - And in that time, we've seen a region the entire Commonwealth

00:19 - and national organizations rally around this facility

00:23 - to tell the tale of America's industrial past.

00:27 - Today, this museum welcomes over 20,000 visitors a year from people who

00:32 - maybe want to trace their family's roots to students who maybe want to explore

00:37 - what innovative careers are out there in today's industrial workplace.

00:40 - We had the opportunity to sit down with the leadership of this amazing

00:43 - institution, to learn about its history, but also about what is next.

00:47 - The fact that after just ten years of opening, that they are doubling in size

00:52 - by opening the second floor is nothing short of astonishing.

00:56 - To learn all about this and more.

00:58 - PMA perspective starts now.

01:02 - You're watching PMA perspective,

01:04 - a statewide source for business, government, and policy

01:08 - news.

01:18 - Newsmaker interviews with your host David and Taylor

01:21 - and reports from the field with PMA Carl

01:24 - Moreira and Joy Johnson.

01:27 - Now for a special episode

01:29 - of PMA perspective.

01:34 - I think this museum brings a connectivity.

01:36 - It connects generations.

01:38 - It provides excitement for the opportunity, the potential

01:42 - to innovate, and Mitch provides a vital service to the community

01:47 - by giving a place where people can learn about

01:51 - industrial history locally and its impact on the world.

01:55 - Founders of the museum had the great foresight

01:58 - to collaborate with the Smithsonian, and here we are today with the largest

02:02 - collection of Smithsonian artifacts outside of Washington, DC.

02:06 - The industrial history of our nation and the contribution

02:10 - that the Lehigh Valley has made to that heritage, is really important.

02:14 - To really understand the present

02:18 - and to plan for the future.

02:21 - You must, must understand the past.

02:24 - History in the making, history in the making, elevating industrial

02:29 - history to new heights.

02:33 - Andrea, thank you so much for joining us on PMA perspective.

02:37 - Why don't you introduce yourself to the viewers

02:38 - and tell them about who you are and what you do?

02:41 - I'm Andrea Zaia, I'm the president and CEO here at the National Museum

02:46 - of Industrial History in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

02:48 - And I've been here since we opened in 2016,

02:52 - so it's exciting to see us through this new era of growth.

02:55 - And for the viewers who might not know even where we are, tell them about

02:59 - where we are, what this amazing museum is and how this all started.

03:04 - Well, we are housed in the 1913 electrical repair shop

03:08 - here on the former Bethlehem Steel Vasselheim plant site.

03:13 - It's now called the Steel Stacks Campus.

03:15 - It's a vibrant arts and cultural campus in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

03:19 - The museum is here because, as many historians will point out,

03:24 - this region is really the cradle of the American heavy industrial Revolution.

03:30 - And being here on the Bethlehem plant site is really important

03:34 - because we're able to capture a lot of these stories.

03:37 - Bethlehem Steel, specifically, and other, factories

03:42 - in this region really helped to shape and build our nation.

03:46 - Absolutely.

03:47 - So when somebody walks through these doors for the first time,

03:51 - I mean, what is it that you hope to capture

03:53 - in their imagination as they walk into this amazing facility?

03:57 - Well, I hope that they're able to really be impacted by the scale

04:02 - and the ingenuity of the American worker from the blast

04:06 - furnaces that stand outside on the campus to the 20ft

04:09 - tall steam hammer that they'll see in iron steel Gallery.

04:12 - Really, just to to feel the pulse of industry.

04:16 - Because from the mines to the mills to the factories, Pennsylvania

04:20 - workers really created and shaped so much of the world that we live in now.

04:25 - Yeah, that's an interesting topic.

04:26 - Let's explore that for a minute.

04:28 - I mean, why was Bethlehem, why was this area

04:33 - really the catalyst for what we knew was the industry that built

04:37 - the infrastructure of the United States and of the rest of the world, too?

04:41 - Well, at its core, foundationally, it's because of the resources

04:44 - that are in the area and then also the location to, marketplaces to the world.

04:50 - Philadelphia, New York, inside the Bethlehem plant.

04:54 - They had developed certain innovations that basically built our cities skylines.

04:59 - 80% of the New York City skyline is attributed to the Bethlehem

05:03 - beam, which was developed here in this plant, the American Navy, the U.S.

05:07 - Navy, which was rebuilt

05:09 - after the Civil War and then strengthened throughout the 20th century.

05:13 - Yeah.

05:13 - So really, the people of Bethlehem and the people of Bethlehem Steel

05:17 - had their hand in, in making, building, transporting and defending this nation.

05:22 - So having an undertaking to to create

05:25 - an institution like this is obviously a challenge.

05:29 - I mean, how did how did this facility come to be?

05:33 - We are a Smithsonian partner.

05:35 - We're a Smithsonian affiliate,

05:37 - in fact, the first affiliate of the Smithsonian Affiliation Program.

05:41 - There are now almost 300 affiliates across the nation.

05:44 - So when the Bethlehem plant shut down the hot

05:47 - end of iron and steel making, this was 1995.

05:51 - Leadership at Bethlehem Steel, legislators, executives

05:55 - at Smithsonian said, we need to preserve this story of American industry.

05:59 - So they established the National Museum of Industrial History at that time,

06:04 - and we opened our doors in this current facility in 2016.

06:09 - And since then, we're sort of rounding out our first decade of public engagement,

06:14 - and it's really exciting to be able to share these stories with our public.

06:18 - Obviously, Bethlehem Steel played a large role,

06:21 - but I mean, what role do manufacturers does industry in this area

06:26 - and nationally play in, in telling

06:29 - some of the stories and housing some of the artifacts that are here today?

06:32 - Well, industry evolves as as you know, and currently

06:37 - today, Pennsylvania continues to play a vital role in manufacturing.

06:41 - So what we're hoping to do, we we have a lot of former workers

06:46 - in all different kinds of sectors coming to the museum.

06:49 - And what we really want to do is spark the curiosity of young people

06:53 - to learn more about engaging in manufacturing today.

06:56 - Absolutely.

06:57 - You really kind of get into my next question, which is,

07:00 - I mean, why is it so important to tell the story

07:03 - of industry and manufacturing and what it was and what it's becoming

07:09 - because it all started, you know, foundationally at the same place?

07:12 - It all started really with our mechanical strength

07:16 - or mechanical, power of engineering in the 19th century.

07:19 - So microchips and robotics really can trace their origins

07:24 - to some of those trends of industry that are early on.

07:27 - So we really draw that trajectory and show the evolution

07:31 - of how industry and manufacturing changes.

07:35 - We're hoping to also inspire some of that creative problem solving

07:40 - when we have young people come here for school field trips,

07:43 - they get to engage in engineering principles, and

07:46 - hopefully they're creating new ways to solve problems of the future.

07:49 - Yeah.

07:49 - Put on your your, curator hat for a second.

07:54 - I mean, you got into, you know, what were some of those early machines

07:58 - that are evolving into what, you know, modern and advanced manufacturing is.

08:02 - Give the viewers an example of that.

08:03 - Yeah.

08:04 - Well, we're currently sitting up in our next level right now,

08:08 - and one of the machines that I see just here in

08:11 - the space is the Jacquard weaving, machine.

08:15 - So Jacquard technology was developed, can trace its roots

08:18 - really back to the 18th century.

08:20 - But this is binary code.

08:22 - And so these cards were punched with holes.

08:25 - There is a card reader that is attached to a weaving machine called a loom.

08:30 - Those cards would be automatically fed through the reader.

08:34 - And then, depending upon the pattern punched into the cards,

08:37 - they would lift up certain warp strings on the loom.

08:40 - This created a pattern in the fabric.

08:43 - This is absolutely the beginning of our IBM card of binary code,

08:49 - and that has absolutely revolutionized our world.

08:52 - So like where there are holes and where there aren't holes

08:55 - and how those holes are placed,

08:56 - it's almost like the ones and zeros of of binary code, computer language.

09:00 - Exactly.

09:01 - So how do you balance the blend of, of industry

09:05 - of the past with modern and advanced manufacturing?

09:09 - That is today?

09:10 - Do you have any partnerships?

09:12 - You know, how do you how do you bring to life what modern

09:16 - manufacturing really is?

09:17 - We're fortunate to be in the Lehigh Valley.

09:20 - So we have a number of very high level

09:22 - educational institutions, universities here that we work with.

09:26 - We work with technical societies.

09:28 - We work with professional societies.

09:31 - To really help make sure that we're engaging with current

09:34 - trends and breakthroughs that we're seeing in the industries today.

09:38 - So I know this is a national museum, but we're a little biased,

09:42 - at PMA, that we love telling Pennsylvania's story.

09:46 - What what, if anything, other than, you know, Bethlehem Steel.

09:49 - Is there other things here that are kind of uniquely Pennsylvania?

09:53 - Well, the the textile industry, there were more women,

09:57 - men and children involved in the textile industry

10:01 - in the late 19 teens than there were men making steel.

10:05 - So the silk industry is something that I think

10:08 - a lot of our guests are surprised to learn that as far as production

10:12 - goes, in the earlier part of the 20th century, the Lehigh Valley,

10:15 - eastern Pennsylvania was always either number one, 2 or 3 in silk production.

10:20 - So how do the stories connect

10:23 - the manufacturing workforce that we see across Pennsylvania?

10:27 - So you have modern manufacturing workforce that come into your doors

10:32 - and want to learn about what the industrial past was.

10:35 - Yeah.

10:35 - And that's something I'm really excited about because we have

10:38 - a lot of these opportunities for multigenerational learning.

10:43 - And so we have people

10:44 - who used to work in steel, in the factories, in manufacturing.

10:48 - We have, people who are currently working in manufacturing,

10:51 - all kind of coming together so that we can create this message

10:55 - and these programs that resonate with our young people.

10:58 - And what kind of footprint do you have as far as

11:00 - as the number of guests that you host here every year we welcome

11:05 - just under about 20,000 people to the museum every year.

11:09 - And our numbers for our school programs are growing.

11:13 - We have almost 5000 young people that we help to inspire annually.

11:17 - And you do a lot to focus on the youth and youth

11:21 - programs through Stem education and some of those different efforts.

11:25 - What are some of those efforts?

11:27 - Yeah, we have, free family Sundays.

11:30 - We have Steam Adventure programs.

11:32 - You can find all of this on our website at npr.org.

11:37 - We offer really vibrant school programs where students get an opportunity to do

11:43 - skyscraper challenge, great bridge building challenges while they're learning

11:47 - about the history, and also hopefully sparking that curiosity

11:51 - so that they'll be interested in learning more about future employment.

11:56 - Talking about intergenerational, I'm sure you probably also

11:59 - have a lot of people who maybe even worked in this facility

12:02 - not to put you on the spot, but is there a specific, like memorable guest

12:07 - or a story that you can think of of one of the visitors to the museum

12:11 - that was just really moving?

12:12 - We have seen a lot of leadership, especially with Bethlehem Steel

12:17 - working with us coming through the building,

12:19 - but sometimes the most heartfelt experiences are talking

12:22 - to the steel workers themselves, because this place was home

12:26 - and they worked with other steel workers and they were a family.

12:30 - We have a memorial out in front of the museum.

12:34 - This is a steelworkers veterans memorial.

12:36 - We work very closely with the Steelworkers Veterans Memorial Committee.

12:40 - They still meet monthly.

12:42 - Many of them were veterans.

12:43 - We estimated about 80% of the people who worked inside the plant had served,

12:48 - and they wanted to do something really important to Mark, the service

12:53 - and the dedication and the sacrifice of their their brothers and sisters.

12:57 - So they designed they built,

13:01 - a memorial inside the plant.

13:04 - Now, their foremen and their supervisors knew that they knew

13:07 - what they were doing to do this.

13:08 - Yeah, yeah.

13:08 - But we we have that here with us today, and we gather every year

13:12 - for Veteran's Day to to honor them.

13:14 - Amazing, amazing.

13:16 - What kind of response

13:18 - do you get, especially from some of those younger visitors when they

13:22 - they come through and maybe it even hasn't, hasn't happened fully yet

13:26 - because I know this this second floor space is being built out.

13:30 - We'll talk about that in a minute.

13:31 - But when they learn just how innovative and hands on manufacturing and industry

13:37 - is, you know, sometimes I think we forget because we might know something,

13:41 - but we sometimes forget to convey or make sure that we share this

13:45 - information with younger generations.

13:47 - So when it really starts clicking for them, you can see it.

13:50 - The light bulb, you know, they're

13:52 - they become interested in learning how they can get involved.

13:56 - And so helping to let them know that they can be involved,

14:00 - that they can develop some of these skills.

14:02 - It really gives them the freedom that makes life interesting.

14:07 - And they feel like they can then accomplish and

14:11 - and go out there and make a difference, too.

14:13 - So we're sitting on in the second floor.

14:16 - This just recently opened.

14:18 - It's an entire new floor, and it's going to be dedicated to that

14:21 - modern and advanced manufacturing

14:23 - and telling some of the more current stories of what industry is.

14:26 - This is a huge undertaking, and this is a massive space.

14:30 - Tell the viewers I mean, what kind of effort this took.

14:34 - Yeah, we've been working on this for many, many years.

14:37 - This is about 17,000ft² of space.

14:40 - Once we open our next level exhibit hall, we're going to have over

14:45 - 50,000ft² of space for public engagement and learning.

14:49 - And, so we're really excited about sharing this.

14:53 - We're going to be focusing more so on hands on activities.

14:57 - You're going to see a lot of workshops

14:58 - and a lot of opportunities to really jump in and get involved.

15:03 - And as you're connecting with the community, as you're connecting

15:06 - with different maybe

15:07 - industry groups, trade groups, economic development corporations,

15:11 - I mean, how do these partnerships help advance your mission, too?

15:15 - Well, it raises awareness.

15:17 - And, you know, we can we can help them to,

15:20 - if we can spark that curiosity at a younger age,

15:23 - things become easier for staffing and for workforce development.

15:28 - And then they can also elevate the history and the stories, because sometimes,

15:32 - learning your history, being a part of that,

15:35 - a lot of our families in Pennsylvania come from industrial backgrounds.

15:39 - And so then it sort of just clicks with them, and then they feel much

15:43 - more empowered as they go out there to make their own way in the world.

15:46 - Well, and as we're again looking ahead this year, is, is

15:50 - should be one of the most exciting years, for I mean, the museum.

15:54 - But all across Pennsylvania and the nation as we're celebrating America 250.

15:59 - Why is industrial history such an important part of that America?

16:03 - 250 story we can't really reflect upon the history of our country

16:08 - without looking at the Industrial Revolution, which

16:11 - which really transformed us from a nation of colonies

16:15 - to an industrial global superpower that we are today.

16:19 - So we're going to do something kind of interesting for 250.

16:23 - We're working with our partners.

16:25 - We're working with other organizations

16:26 - to to help promote awareness for how far we've come.

16:29 - Yeah, we're also going to do something a little celebratory.

16:32 - We have an exhibit coming up called cheers to 250 Brewing in America.

16:38 - I love it.

16:38 - We're going to look at the, the brewing industry and really

16:42 - how it transacts with a lot of other industries, with engineering.

16:46 - So the development of mass production logistics,

16:50 - stainless steel, refrigeration, pasteurization.

16:53 - Yeah.

16:54 - So kind of those technological and engineering

16:56 - marvels that are behind the thriving brewing industry.

17:00 - Well, give us a little preview.

17:01 - What are some of the things

17:02 - that people might expect if they come here to celebrate?

17:05 - And cheers to America.

17:06 - 250 we're going to see a Colonial Brewing set up.

17:10 - We're going to have some some tasting, some hands on activities

17:14 - a little bit with, we've been working with our Lehigh Valley home brewers

17:18 - and other area, brewers.

17:21 - They're going to see the Lindy Wolfe ammonia compressor,

17:24 - which refrigerated and, helped assisted in the brewing process

17:29 - at a very large brewery in Baltimore, Maryland.

17:32 - It's a gorgeous machine.

17:33 - They're going to engage with barrel making.

17:37 - If you ever wanted to make a barrel,

17:38 - we're going to have some very interesting interactives.

17:42 - We're hoping to see some period, delivery vehicles,

17:47 - brewhouse, and just really dive in a little bit more.

17:51 - We also may have some alive yeast experiments on site.

17:56 - All right.

17:56 - Getting a little bit more into the science of brewing as well.

17:59 - Cool.

17:59 - I mean, what makes,

18:00 - how does this set you apart from some of the other institutions?

18:04 - I mean, I know there's a network of America

18:06 - to 50 analysts for Sony and has part of their own network.

18:08 - I mean, what makes what you're doing a little bit unique

18:11 - compared to the other America 250 initiatives right now?

18:14 - I think at the National Museum of Industrial History,

18:17 - we're sort of breaking the mold.

18:18 - We're we're looking at our deep history.

18:21 - You know, there was a Brewers Hall at the 1876 centennial.

18:25 - At that time, in 1876, it had been 100 years

18:29 - since the signing of the declaration.

18:31 - And it was a powerful group.

18:34 - But we're also so we're looking at the history.

18:37 - We're conveying the history, the look, the feel,

18:39 - but we're also taking it a step further.

18:42 - How can we be inspired

18:43 - to take what we've learned here and then go out into the community

18:47 - and do something interesting, something great?

18:50 - Well, for the manufacturers,

18:52 - for the families, the educators watching today.

18:55 - Make your pitch.

18:56 - Why should they make sure that they make this museum

18:59 - a part of their America 250 celebration?

19:02 - Well, industrial history is part of a living narrative.

19:06 - And here at the National Museum of Industrial History, you can learn

19:09 - from the stories of direct stories of the men and women

19:13 - and the machines and the ideas that transformed our nation.

19:18 - So please come visit us at image.org.

19:21 - There's a lot to get involved with.

19:23 - If you, we have annual celebrations.

19:26 - We do an iron paw.

19:28 - We have, a locomotive engineer experience if you've ever wanted to drive a train.

19:33 - So we're really focusing on a lot of unique and Hands-On

19:37 - opportunities for guests.

19:38 - Well, thank you so much for welcoming us to explore this amazing facility today

19:43 - and can't wait for the partnerships to come. Thank you Carl.

19:48 - So Ken Whampoa, you

19:50 - are the board vice chairman of this fine institution,

19:54 - but you wear so many hats and have accomplished so much.

19:58 - Tell the viewers about who you are, what you do,

20:01 - and some of those different endeavors that you're a part of.

20:04 - Well, started in 1979 when I graduated from what is now Reading University.

20:09 - Joined Bethlehem Steel as a sales looper trainee

20:12 - and worked in the steel industry now for almost 50 years. Wow.

20:16 - In that period, I've seen almost every industrial site

20:20 - you can be in, which prompted me to support my son's endeavor.

20:24 - And start in the beer industry.

20:25 - So, a little bit of suds and steel and.

20:28 - Okay. All right.

20:29 - What brewery are you, owner of?

20:31 - Lost Tavern Brewing, located in Heller Town, Pennsylvania.

20:34 - It got its name because they knew one of the first buildings in Heller

20:37 - Town was a brewery, but they have no idea where it was.

20:40 - Thus, the name was Tapper.

20:42 - Very good with America 250 celebration

20:45 - and the cheers to 250 that the museum is going to be celebrating.

20:48 - You have to be a part of that, right? We are.

20:50 - We're a major sponsor and, we think, it's a great story to tell,

20:55 - and it fits right into Americana and, and society in general.

20:59 - So from a board level, talk a little bit about your perspective

21:04 - on an institution like this and why it's important to tell

21:08 - the industrial legacy story of America, specifically here in Bethlehem.

21:14 - America's history can't be separated from America's industrial history.

21:19 - It is an active part of what's made us the country that we are today.

21:23 - We are very fortunate to be located in, I believe, the birthplace

21:28 - of heavy industrialization, of America.

21:31 - It is, you know, without a doubt, a responsibility that I take

21:34 - very seriously to tell that next generation,

21:37 - how America was formed and how it has to be reformed

21:41 - to be competitive in the future,

21:43 - want you being actively involved in what is current industry?

21:48 - What are some of the biggest challenges that that current industry faces

21:52 - when it comes to, operating in today's environment?

21:55 - The fallacy that that I fight is

21:58 - that America manufacturing is dead.

22:01 - Many people don't even know that the United States is still the second

22:05 - largest steel industry in the world. Yeah.

22:08 - We feed the importance, I think, with

22:11 - with the focus now on supply chain and bringing back.

22:15 - I think this generation is now awakening to the importance of manufacturing

22:20 - and what it means to the backbone of America and our families and our life.

22:25 - And from what about from a workforce perspective, do you find that

22:28 - bringing new young people into industry has been a challenge?

22:33 - It it has been

22:34 - because I think for a long time it wasn't seen as the cool part of things,

22:39 - especially in the.com era and and everything else.

22:43 - But I think that's changing because I think as manufacturing

22:47 - integrates into life and becomes a next part, it's going to be highly technology

22:52 - based and that's going to be attracting young people into manufacturing.

22:56 - Talk a little bit about the growth that the Lehigh Valley has seen.

23:01 - Bethlehem specifically has seen.

23:03 - And you know what's exciting for the museum

23:06 - to be in this location as as this part of the Commonwealth

23:09 - is really experiencing some tremendous growth.

23:11 - The Lehigh Valley is an exciting place to live in right now, and I feel fortunate

23:15 - to have this responsibility at this time.

23:18 - We're no longer, you know, framed by what Billy Joel saying in Alabama

23:22 - as a go, as as a native, I consider myself

23:26 - a native of the Lehigh Valley because I've been here so long,

23:28 - but my family has grown up here.

23:30 - My wife's a native of Bethlehem.

23:32 - We're fifth generation steel.

23:34 - It's just amazing the resiliency of this area.

23:38 - Kind of like a steel worker.

23:40 - You know, we've been knocked down and dragged out,

23:42 - but we keep coming up and we keep reinventing ourselves.

23:45 - Yeah, Pennsylvania's really going to be at the heart

23:49 - of the America 250 celebration, and rightfully so.

23:52 - But you're going to see a lot of events

23:56 - in Philadelphia, in New York.

23:59 - But the Lehigh Valley is right in the middle.

24:02 - How do you see the Lehigh Valley

24:04 - 250 celebration really being a key part of America?

24:08 - 250 I think we're an important cog.

24:10 - There's going to be

24:11 - so many celebrations around the country, and each one will be special.

24:14 - I think the story that we can tell is it's a fun place.

24:18 - History has to be fun.

24:20 - It has to be able to captivate your mind

24:23 - and make you think of what drove a person to

24:28 - to change the process, to mechanize and make it better.

24:31 - So I think we're just lucky enough to be right in that center and cog of all

24:36 - that's going to be going on.

24:37 - Tell the viewers a little bit about, from especially

24:40 - from a board level, of a museum.

24:43 - A lot is driven by financial commitments.

24:46 - What kind of commitment was needed

24:50 - for just and ten years after the doors open to,

24:53 - to double the space and create the Next Level campaign?

24:57 - Well, I don't want anybody

24:58 - to rest on our laurels because we've got a long way to go yet.

25:02 - But it's been an amazing effort, championed by some,

25:07 - leading people in the Lehigh Valley who wanted this story

25:09 - not to be erased with time, but to be celebrated.

25:15 - And I think what we're finding is we are attracting

25:18 - a cornucopia of different manufacturing,

25:21 - expertise and knowledge to come in and each tell their story.

25:26 - Although we're in the shadows of the blast furnaces.

25:29 - This isn't just about steel, right?

25:31 - It's about a lot of industries that all contributed

25:35 - greatly to America's greatness.

25:37 - I'm a little selfish because of my, from steel background.

25:39 - And I would say that,

25:41 - you know, we would probably all be here

25:42 - speaking German if it wasn't for Bethlehem Steel.

25:45 - During World War two.

25:46 - But there were so many other industries that their stories need to be told, too.

25:50 - And those industries are evolving.

25:52 - We see recent announcements

25:53 - in the Lehigh Valley for large pharmaceutical manufacturing.

25:57 - There's also a lot of logistics that happens in this area,

26:00 - which is critically important to manufacturers.

26:03 - Your point is well taken.

26:04 - This isn't just about metal.

26:05 - This isn't just about fabric.

26:07 - It is about an industrial legacy.

26:09 - What pitch would you make to the manufacturers, to the many industries

26:14 - in this region,

26:15 - throughout Pennsylvania and the nation to support an institution like this?

26:19 - In my opinion, it's not just about the machines or a movement or a mechanization.

26:24 - It's about a mindset.

26:27 - Many of the people that created these machines were as entrepreneurial

26:33 - as the people today that created the iPhone or the next supercomputer.

26:36 - They saw things that other people couldn't see.

26:39 - So I would challenge our other fellow manufacturers

26:42 - to inspire that next generation to say,

26:45 - this is how it's done today, how can it be done better,

26:48 - and how do we improve society in general and raise the level

26:53 - of, of our of our population because of those innovations?

26:57 - Well, for any manufacturer that's watching today who sees this

27:00 - and just thinks I need to get involved with this effort to

27:04 - how can they get involved and what should they do next?

27:06 - Well, obviously they can call me and we will put them in touch.

27:10 - Right now we're actively, we're actively seeking

27:14 - additional, representation on our board.

27:17 - And I think that's the story we want to tell.

27:19 - So if you're interested, come see the museum.

27:22 - Come see our management. And welcome aboard.

27:25 - Ken, thank you so much for your time and lending your expertise.

27:29 - We can't wait to explore this facility and see all that it has to offer.

27:33 - I mean, in current form, but also for America.

27:36 - 250 thank you Carl.

27:40 - Thank you so much for

27:41 - joining us on this special episode of PMA perspective.

27:45 - We're going to be back here in the fall season of PMA perspective 2026,

27:49 - where you will actually get to see a tour of all the amazing exhibits

27:54 - that they're going to be showcasing for.

27:55 - Cheers to 250 part of the America 250 celebration,

27:59 - but until then, stay current on what's happening in your state government at

28:05 - that PA manufacturers dawg from all of us at PMA.

28:09 - Thanks very much for watching and have a great week.

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