00:08 - Today we're joined by Eleanor arrangers president of the

00:11 - southeastern Pennsylvania cold war historical society.

00:15 - What inspired you to draft a proposal for establishing

00:17 - a greater Philadelphia aerospace hall of fame.

00:21 - Well thanks for the opportunity to talk about the hall of fame so

00:25 - our organization which has been in existence since two thousand and ten

00:29 - initially only focused on collecting oral histories of people who were involved

00:34 - in cold work related activities in the greater southeastern pa area

00:38 - and a lot of those

00:40 - interviews centered around and

00:42 - the bucks county area where there was a former naval base

00:46 - and over the years

00:48 - we also expanded our remit to help with some historical preservation

00:52 - locally at that former naval base

00:54 - and

00:55 - in addition to that

00:57 - right around the time

00:58 - maybe about two years ago.

01:00 - We started to really we consider that

01:03 - as we've started to learn about more local history

01:06 - we were starting to come to the realization that you know.

01:09 - In addition to the work that we've been focused on really with

01:12 - the Navy's presence

01:14 - in the bucks county region

01:15 - there was a lot more that went on particularly

01:18 - with contractors that were in the area and so forth

01:21 - and as we started doing a little digging we

01:23 - realized wow there is a lot of aerospace heritage.

01:27 - In in the area so it would be great maybe to start.

01:31 - Providing a little more communication and education about that

01:35 - and

01:36 - earlier this year

01:37 - when our group was

01:39 - starting to think about the america to fifty ce celebrations coming up next year

01:44 - we thought gosh you know we should really do something too

01:47 - and then one evening i kind of

01:50 - struck us that

01:51 - you know maybe something

01:53 - you know

01:54 - to really

01:55 - do

01:56 - you know to align with the themes of america to fifty

02:00 - and Pennsylvania to fifty and trying to commend narrate

02:02 - what Pennsylvania has accomplished on you know multiple fronts

02:06 - and

02:07 - marrying that with sort of our interests in terms of aerospace

02:12 - the thought suddenly occurred to us

02:14 - gee is there a hall of fame in Pennsylvania for aviation

02:18 - and we started you know kind of doing some investigation and realized.

02:22 - Shock kingly actually that there is not a hall of fame

02:25 - in Pennsylvania there is a

02:28 - air national guard hall of fame

02:30 - but not a general aerospace hall of fame

02:34 - and.

02:35 - So that was kind of the impetus of our idea

02:37 - that you know maybe there's an opportunity

02:40 - for us to initiate the develop men have a hall of fame

02:44 - to commemorate not only

02:46 - a plethora of individuals

02:48 - that have great notoriety with aerospace accomplishments from the from the area

02:53 - but

02:54 - also

02:54 - many companies that also made contributions

02:57 - and we feel you know we're a modest organization we want to start out modestly

03:02 - we pay probably would be really focused on just

03:04 - the greater Philadelphia region at this point

03:07 - but you know if interest in this

03:09 - initiative grew

03:10 - it could certainly expand someday to the entirety of Pennsylvania because there

03:14 - certainly are other accomplishments

03:16 - across the state so i don't want to.

03:19 - Just ignore those but i think right now we're just

03:22 - you know re really focused on our efforts in

03:24 - the greater Philadelphia region just to kind of

03:27 - not bite off too much

03:28 - in our

03:29 - in our

03:30 - project

03:31 - now i know this is just proposal it's in the early stages but do you have any idea of

03:35 - what this will look like once it's finished.

03:38 - So.

03:39 - It isn't it's very early stages and we're still kind of discussing the logistics and

03:44 - you know again as a modest organization we have to be

03:48 - pretty judicious in how much we we put forward but

03:52 - the preliminary vision

03:54 - i would be to have

03:56 - probably some sort of nominee nation process

04:00 - that would take place in early twenty twenty six

04:02 - either we would supply a list of potential candidate organizations and individuals

04:08 - for people to choose from and i'm thinking

04:10 - in terms of the nomination process this this may be a collaboration with

04:14 - some of the local

04:16 - aerospace focused or technology focused museums in

04:19 - the region or we may send it out to the general public

04:22 - which can serve is also a general awareness

04:25 - and

04:26 - you know thing as well by by sending this out i have a

04:29 - fairly extensive.

04:32 - You know

04:32 - email distribution list for

04:34 - some of the programming we do so certainly

04:37 - they would be candidates

04:38 - for that

04:39 - but

04:39 - if we send out a nomination process i'd like

04:42 - to have it narrowed down to probably three

04:46 - companies slash people

04:48 - and then.

04:50 - You know the the thinking is that too towards

04:52 - July so when we are celebrating america to fifty

04:56 - and we would have some sort of

04:58 - either reception or you know sort of an enshrinement ceremony

05:03 - you know very a very modest means just to commemorate these individuals and then

05:07 - and.

05:08 - Where that would be housed i think is still being discussed

05:12 - and

05:13 - but one possibility would be actually to have maybe a wall

05:17 - of these honorees that would be at the.

05:21 - Facility known as the fuge which was an events center in bucks county.

05:25 - That was the site of the former Johns will center

05:27 - fusion we can even talk about that a little

05:29 - a little bit later

05:30 - but that's kind of what we're think saying it would be probably there

05:34 - and then

05:35 - i'd like to also have a website as well

05:39 - and that would be that would basically compliment that

05:43 - i

05:44 - and

05:45 - the one other piece that we're kind of thinking of but again it just depends on

05:49 - do

05:49 - you know our finances to be able to put something gather and maintain it

05:54 - the other

05:54 - thing that we were thinking about

05:56 - would be to put together also a

05:59 - aerospace heritage trail that could be virtually.

06:02 - The state of Ohio has done a very nice job with creating these types of digital assets

06:07 - so we were thinking of maybe trying to emulate something similar

06:10 - and that would encourage you know chill Karen

06:13 - and their families to visit different sites

06:15 - and where our

06:17 - history history took place so.

06:20 - Those are kind of the the things that we're considering at this point and hopefully

06:24 - we'll be able to make them happen

06:25 - before mid year next year.

06:27 - Let's get into some of the pioneers in aerospace

06:31 - one of them is Harold Frederick pet care and tell us about him.

06:35 - So i

06:36 - pick Aaron interesting guy entrepreneur

06:39 - you know his dad actually had.

06:42 - Was a glass manufacturer and.

06:45 - So his father was an entrepreneur in and of

06:47 - himself and i think that may have been where

06:50 - peccary may have gotten his entrepreneurial spirit but

06:53 - i.

06:54 - Think Karen actually

06:56 - after a brief stint with the i believe was the

06:59 - army air corps he did not serve in world war one like by the time he was trained and

07:04 - ready to be

07:05 - be deployed the war was over

07:06 - he was you know he was discharged honorably

07:09 - and but then he

07:11 - was interested in.

07:13 - Aviation ever since he was a kid

07:16 - he had done an apprenticeship i think with the curtiss Wright company and

07:20 - and he decided to start up his own venture he

07:24 - ended up buying a plot of land actually not too far from his home

07:28 - in

07:29 - bucks county

07:30 - and that now is is now the bay middle air national guard space but back then it was

07:36 - basically

07:37 - a

07:38 - what became known as pitcairn airfield

07:40 - and

07:42 - and he

07:43 - started doing

07:44 - you know wanted to endeavor to do flying there.

07:47 - He eventually won a a large contract with the.

07:52 - Postal service and actually developed the

07:55 - pitcairn mail wing which was

07:57 - something that got gobbled up by a lot of the fledgling air mail companies in the

08:01 - nineteen twenties as a very safe reliable aircraft

08:04 - for delivering the mail

08:06 - i so he actually.

08:08 - Was

08:09 - was very instrumental in helping to

08:12 - us start to expand air mail routes across the

08:14 - united states he eventually sold off that company

08:18 - and then

08:19 - and

08:20 - interestingly that company eventually morphed

08:22 - into what became eastern airlines an old legacy

08:26 - aviation company

08:27 - and

08:28 - but then in and

08:29 - then

08:30 - after he sold that company he pivoted to and other interests

08:33 - and that was in vertical flight and

08:36 - he

08:37 - actually ended up affiliating with

08:40 - a Spanish and

08:42 - i

08:43 - at gentleman who had developed something called the auto gyro basically this is.

08:49 - Essentially it's sort of a hybrid between an airplane and a hella copter.

08:54 - Helicopters have not been really.

08:56 - Invented yet

08:58 - but this was a

09:00 - it's basically an aircraft that is propeller driven

09:03 - and it has a

09:04 - you know what looks like a propeller have on

09:07 - on top just like a helicopter but it's not powered it basically achieves

09:12 - it will end up turning.

09:14 - Basically by

09:15 - you know as the

09:16 - the aircraft is moving through the air

09:19 - and and

09:21 - i

09:22 - there was interest in developing these types of craft.

09:26 - In order to be a safer option for like hovering or

09:30 - flying at low speeds and that was sort of the impetus that the Spanish

09:34 - designer had

09:36 - had conceptually

09:38 - pick Karen forge a relationship with him he

09:40 - wanted to bring the auto gyro to the united states

09:44 - so he created the auto gyro was at the auto gyro company of america

09:48 - and they began to

09:51 - actually develop auto gyro Rose

09:54 - here in the states in fact

09:55 - and

09:56 - i believe it was in the early nineteen thirties that

10:00 - i

10:01 - he i

10:03 - pick Karen won the Collier trophy with

10:05 - which is an aviation

10:06 - award given for for innovation

10:09 - that was awarded to him in nineteen thirty one

10:11 - he actually flew the first auto

10:13 - in the us at pic Karen field

10:16 - and so

10:17 - so he was working on all of

10:19 - you know all of that along with this.

10:22 - This gentleman from from Spain

10:24 - so that's kind of where all that came about so he's

10:27 - he's really an entrepreneur

10:28 - a real aviation

10:30 - pioneer

10:31 - and

10:32 - right in our backyard i mean he was i

10:34 - lived in bucks county.

10:36 - Another important person that's included in the

10:39 - proposals Alice stole mainly for her work and

10:42 - what's

10:42 - what she developed was no Max could you tell us what is that and

10:45 - what makes Alice stole so significant

10:48 - sure

10:49 - so if we fast forward to after.

10:52 - World war two

10:54 - and and.

10:56 - A

10:57 - lady who grew up in new York

11:00 - and became actually one of the first female biophysicist

11:04 - to graduate from Cornell university in new York.

11:07 - She had specialized in.

11:10 - Thermal regulation and heat transfer between materials.

11:15 - So that was really her research interest

11:17 - she ended up getting recruited to come to work in

11:20 - warminster at what was the old naval air development center

11:24 - which was the Navy base and operated in the warminster area for about fifty years.

11:29 - From the end of world war two to nineteen ninety six.

11:32 - She was recruited there.

11:34 - I actually buy her old boss who had been at Cornell and came down to

11:38 - and to work actually at the Navy base

11:41 - and he invited her down to continue doing thermal research

11:46 - so that's eventually what she ended up doing when she relocated to the

11:50 - to the bucks county area

11:52 - and

11:53 - she eventually was assigned find a project

11:56 - to develop a

11:58 - replacement

11:59 - for nylon that was used in pilots uniforms

12:03 - and

12:03 - and they wanted to laboratory expertise in thermal.

12:08 - Thermal heat transfer to try to develop

12:10 - a fabric

12:11 - that had better and

12:14 - how heat.

12:15 - Heat resiliency

12:17 - and

12:18 - and because nylon of course

12:21 - you know in the event of a cockpit fire would melt

12:23 - onto the skin i mean it certainly was a far from ideal

12:26 - type of material so.

12:29 - Alice spent.

12:30 - The better part of ten plus years between the late nineteen fifties

12:34 - and late nineteen sixties and testing a number of different

12:38 - ah for what we called flame retardant materials

12:42 - some of which

12:43 - were developed by dupont and other

12:45 - regional

12:46 - ah

12:47 - you know company

12:48 - and eventually with in collaboration with dupont and Alice to

12:53 - they developed actually a f fabric woven from a heat resistant filament known as

12:58 - ht one

13:00 - and that became the fabric that they

13:03 - systematically tested at warminster

13:06 - and that became eventually what is now known as nomex.

13:10 - Nomex is a six letter

13:11 - and.

13:13 - A six letter name

13:14 - for for the

13:16 - fabric or for that material

13:18 - that

13:19 - was i think copy written by dupont

13:22 - but

13:23 - it was Alice that did all of the testing

13:26 - of that fabric and warminster and is recognized.

13:30 - As the person who essentially operationalized.

13:34 - Nomex for the us Miller Terry

13:36 - i

13:36 - know Max now is new between us

13:39 - and

13:40 - heat resistant material that's been used in a variety of applications not only was it

13:44 - uses replacement for the nylon from.

13:47 - Pilots'

13:48 - uniforms but it's used in firefighter uniforms

13:51 - aren't used in race car driver

13:53 - uniforms used in the astronaut what's that

13:56 - no Max is part of their.

13:58 - Flight suits and their extra ticket extra vehicular activity suits

14:02 - and it even was used as part of thermal insulation for the h for the

14:07 - space shuttle

14:08 - on it's exterior so

14:10 - a variety of applications and

14:12 - Alice was

14:13 - recognized actually.

14:15 - Twenty twenty four

14:17 - and for her accomplishments by the national inventors

14:19 - hall of fame actually we submitted the application

14:22 - and for her to be recognized

14:25 - we were kind of surprised that she had never have all

14:28 - of the accolades and awards that Alice had received

14:31 - throughout her career it was kind of surprising that Alice had never been recognized

14:36 - by that organization so we were able to successfully

14:39 - petition having her added

14:41 - to the hall of fame

14:42 - that particular hall of fame

14:44 - in two thousand and twenty four.

14:46 - Now there's two astronauts included in the proposal letter from Philadelphia

14:49 - let's talk about the first one guy bluford what's

14:52 - significant about his contributions to aerospace

14:55 - sure so so

14:56 - i

14:57 - guy bluford he's from Philadelphia graduated from overbrook high school

15:02 - and he ended up going to penn state

15:05 - and then on a razzi i think he was

15:08 - at penn state with razzi

15:09 - then he ended up in the air force

15:11 - and ended up getting his wings with the air force he flew fighter

15:15 - jets in may missions in Vietnam

15:17 - like a lot of the

15:18 - a lot of the male astronauts in that

15:21 - shuttle era

15:22 - and so he was

15:24 - with the air force then after he returned from Vietnam he ended up at

15:28 - Wright Patterson in Ohio and he worked on his

15:31 - masters and then phd in aeronautical engineering

15:34 - and was also working

15:36 - working there at Wright Patterson are one of

15:38 - the laboratories i think he was a section chief

15:41 - and.

15:42 - Now it's interesting

15:43 - and

15:44 - he

15:45 - was told by the air force i guess part of

15:48 - being a pilot is they have to keep up a certain number of hours and they have to

15:52 - complete those hours within a certain timeframe

15:55 - when they're in the military so he was being

15:58 - sort of you know nudged about hey listen you gotta go back to flying aircraft

16:02 - and so they you know he

16:04 - i think he was sort of like

16:06 - i dunno if i want to be redeployed but you know i kind of want to fly a fifteenth if

16:10 - you wanted to go back to flying fighter jets

16:12 - but they were

16:13 - i think the air force was trying was suggesting he

16:17 - to make him an instructor.

16:19 - Like a flight instructor which is not what he wanted to do

16:22 - and lo and behold he happened to

16:24 - have just stumbled on

16:25 - an ad that was circulating at the time this is now like the mid nineteen seventies

16:31 - for the and for the initial group of astronauts that would be shuttle

16:35 - and

16:35 - shuttle astronauts

16:37 - so he thought huh.

16:38 - That sounds pretty interesting and

16:40 - you know if i apply to be an

16:42 - astronaut that would fulfill my flight hours

16:45 - and how cool would it be if i'm an astronaut during those flight hours so what the

16:49 - heck let me throw my application and

16:51 - so he was ultimately selected probably because of his experience

16:55 - in the military as a pilot and also because of his engineering expertise.

17:00 - So he was a he was selected for that what they call it the thirty five new guys

17:04 - the nineteen seventy eight shuttle class

17:07 - and he did eventually go on to be the first African American to actually fly in space

17:12 - flew four shuttle missions

17:14 - and

17:15 - so he certainly has that you know accomplish

17:18 - significant accomplishment and to to brag about

17:21 - when he

17:22 - after his fourth flight and he left NASA he ended up

17:26 - in a number of

17:27 - you know senior positions with a number of aerospace companies before his retirement.

17:32 - The second astronaut from Philadelphia is Pete Conrad and he walked on the mood in

17:37 - the moon in nineteen sixty nine what was he do doing there.

17:40 - So Pete Conrad another guy from Philly

17:43 - and what's interesting a lot of people don't know

17:45 - Pete Conrad.

17:47 - Actually came from a fairly

17:49 - affluent.

17:51 - Main line family actually i think from Haverford.

17:56 - And

17:56 - and

17:57 - but also

17:59 - many people don't know he had dyslexia he really struggled in school

18:04 - but he did persevere

18:06 - and he eventually went to Princeton university.

18:09 - For his

18:10 - god an aeronautical engineering degree

18:12 - his bachelor's and he was also a razzi guy

18:15 - and he ended up going

18:17 - into the Navy

18:18 - after he got out of Princeton so the first Ivy league astronaut they like to say.

18:24 - So

18:24 - what's funny about Pete is

18:26 - he.

18:28 - Apparently was invited to undergo

18:31 - the selection process for the initial Mercury

18:33 - astronauts

18:35 - but he got really kind of irritated with the medical testing and

18:39 - there is a lot of sort of famous anecdotes about

18:42 - all the invasive medical testing that was required

18:45 - for the initial Mercury astronauts and he kind of got to sort of fed up with it

18:50 - and he ended up saying forget it i'm going back to flying jet airplane so

18:53 - he was.

18:55 - You know basically down at the test pilot

18:58 - program at patuxent river in Maryland

19:01 - but then

19:02 - eventually Alan Shepard one of the Mercury seven.

19:05 - Persuaded him to reapply for the astronaut corps and they kind of

19:09 - softened up some of the medical

19:11 - testing

19:12 - by that point and he ended up.

19:15 - Being sold acted for for the second group

19:18 - of

19:18 - astronauts known as the new nine and they were going to be

19:22 - the critical group of astronauts involved with

19:24 - project gemini the basically the prelims the

19:27 - interim program

19:29 - that would set the stage for the Apollo program

19:31 - so he flew two gemini missions and then he

19:35 - ultimately he became the commander for

19:38 - Apollo twelve

19:39 - which was the second landing on the moon in November nineteen sixty nine

19:43 - so

19:44 - so

19:45 - commander

19:45 - he was the third man to walk on the moon

19:48 - with Alan bean

19:49 - and so you know certainly

19:52 - a tremendous accomplishment and

19:54 - you know.

19:55 - The the sir second landing on the moon was basically

19:58 - to prove

19:59 - it was kind of i always think of it in my mind is proving two things number one

20:03 - it wasn't a fluke that Neil

20:05 - Armstrong walked on the moon that we did that

20:07 - on Apollo eleven we were able to do it again.

20:10 - So we we certainly

20:12 - had proven that capability over again

20:15 - and also

20:17 - interesting objectives

20:18 - of that mission

20:20 - was something that they called a pinpoint landing so

20:23 - i'm

20:24 - one of the issues they had when Apollo eleven landed

20:28 - is that

20:29 - they hope they overshot their landing

20:31 - target

20:32 - and

20:33 - for a number of reasons i i won't go into but they overshot the

20:37 - and

20:37 - over overshot that so

20:39 - they had to and.

20:42 - They basically evaluated whether they could actually land where they said they were

20:46 - going to land and they did prove that so

20:48 - i

20:49 - you know so Pete has a lot of

20:51 - a lot to be proud of with that Apollo twelve mission

20:54 - but let's move on to some of the corporations

20:56 - that are included in this propose puzzle

20:57 - one of them is fleet wings what did they do.

21:01 - So fleet langs is actually an a

21:04 - one of the original small

21:06 - i don't wanna say small at the time

21:08 - aeronautical companies that was actually based in Bristol Pennsylvania

21:12 - and they actually bought up.

21:16 - A number of buildings right along the Delaware river in Bristol.

21:20 - In nineteen thirty four they

21:22 - actually started in new York

21:24 - now a lot of early aviation actually started on long island.

21:28 - It's very interesting

21:30 - all the different people that were all mixed together a lot of early pioneers but

21:34 - a group of individuals that were

21:37 - interested in aviation eventually started accompanied

21:39 - this fleet wings company in long island but

21:42 - eventually

21:43 - moved

21:44 - their location down to Bristol Pennsylvania

21:47 - and they were actually known for developing

21:51 - and amphibious aircraft basically aircraft that could land on the water

21:56 - and you know

21:57 - back in the day we still didn't have a lot of.

22:01 - Landing strips developed yet right so a perfect landing strip is water.

22:06 - So

22:07 - that was an impetus for developing these amphibious.

22:11 - Aircraft so

22:12 - that's what a big thing that fleet wings focused on

22:15 - and.

22:17 - They are actually also are known for

22:20 - their ability to utilize stainless steel in the manufacturing

22:25 - of their

22:26 - aircraft and they had some government contracts where they

22:29 - were developing some wing replacements for aircraft and

22:32 - so forth but that's really what they became known for

22:36 - and is is developing these stainless steel amphibious aircraft.

22:40 - There is also project spark mentioned in the proposal what was this project.

22:45 - Project spark so

22:47 - project spark is actually considered one of the first stem programs in the country

22:53 - and this was a program that was developed

22:57 - as an after school you know science technology program.

23:02 - For interested kids at northeast high school in Philadelphia

23:05 - i believe that the gentleman that developed at his name was

23:09 - Robert Montgomery i believe

23:11 - and.

23:13 - He basically you know you're in the midst of the space race go into the moon so why

23:18 - not hot tap into that excitement with these kids and

23:22 - what they what they did was they developed.

23:25 - They built their own sort of like simulations

23:28 - of spacecraft mission control

23:31 - and actually did their own

23:33 - you know simulations and

23:35 - and they can

23:36 - they've continued that program through the years

23:39 - it's still in existence today i think it's it's evolved a bit

23:43 - now to be doing things with robotics and that sort of thing

23:47 - but it is a

23:49 - you know it certainly was recognized early on

23:51 - in the nineteen sixties as one of these early

23:54 - what we now call stem science technology engineering math

23:58 - sorts of pros ram so.

24:00 - It

24:00 - you know it's

24:01 - i think it's nice to know that we we had that sort of innovation

24:04 - in the education system going on here in the

24:07 - Philadelphia region.

24:09 - So we talked a lot about what's included in the proposal could you

24:12 - tell us what are the goals of creating this greater Philadelphia hall of fame.

24:17 - So you know the not only as i mentioned previously

24:20 - that was one of the impetuses was of course to

24:23 - find a way that our organization could help to make a contribution to

24:28 - awareness about you know

24:30 - Pennsylvania and

24:31 - it's role in the in the last two hundred and fifty years in this case focused on.

24:36 - Arrows face

24:37 - but we also want to inspire kids you know you know

24:40 - i think

24:41 - aspiration only we'd love to be able to develop educational programming

24:45 - for kids down down the line

24:48 - and awareness as well

24:50 - you know it was

24:51 - it's surprising that so many people you know when you start telling them about

24:55 - hate it you know there was this this or did you know that there was that guy

24:59 - and he did this and

25:00 - people are like wow i had no idea

25:03 - and I've lived here all my life

25:05 - so

25:06 - you know we

25:06 - it's fun when you can get that spark when

25:09 - people get really captivated by that so

25:12 - you know we feel what better way to do that than to

25:15 - you know commemorate some of these sick inefficient

25:17 - accomplishments in these these incredible people

25:21 - and

25:22 - and

25:22 - you know to really inspire

25:24 - and then lastly just

25:26 - a minute or so

25:27 - what work does the southeastern Pennsylvania cold war historical society do.

25:32 - So.

25:33 - The southeastern Pennsylvania cold war

25:35 - historical society was established in twenty ten

25:38 - and our initial

25:40 - mission was basically to

25:42 - collect oral histories of people who had been involved in cold war related activities

25:47 - and you know the

25:49 - there really was not a

25:51 - organizations really doing this in our area

25:55 - i grew up in bucks county.

25:58 - I knew that there was a naval base right up the street from me

26:02 - and new stuff was going on there but really had no idea

26:05 - so part of this was a my own sort of you know

26:09 - in

26:09 - indulging

26:10 - my inner nerd too to

26:12 - understand sort of what was going on and what people were doing

26:16 - but it's really

26:18 - a way to supplement the historical record with this history that

26:21 - you know is rapidly you know rapidly being

26:24 - being lost with people

26:26 - passing on

26:27 - so we started that was really the initial endeavor in two thousand and ten and.

26:32 - After we had collected maybe about twenty five interviews

26:35 - our group started to realize pretty quickly

26:38 - there's a lot of people we've interviewed that are pretty good storytellers

26:42 - and their information is not classified anymore

26:45 - so it gave us the idea just to in addition to our interviews to start.

26:50 - Actually doing some educational outreach reach

26:52 - so now we have

26:54 - a program called history in our backyard

26:56 - which is a

26:58 - monthly.

26:59 - Webinar or live lectures that we have in warminster

27:03 - on cold war related topics we started with just

27:06 - people who had

27:07 - had been interviewed by us but over the years.

27:11 - Particularly when we x span it to webinar format

27:14 - we now off you know can offer

27:16 - space race related topic authors

27:19 - of cold war or space race related

27:22 - books that can come and speak as well so

27:25 - it's really expanded over the years and then

27:27 - of course as we've been talking about here

27:29 - we've

27:30 - also gotten involved with a little bit of a

27:32 - broader reach in terms of historical preservation

27:35 - for example we also.

27:38 - Are

27:38 - what i would say the de facto historians for the Johns will centrifuge

27:42 - in warminster that was on the former naval air development center base

27:47 - and we also assist with preservation of history

27:49 - related to the naval air development center

27:52 - and now now

27:53 - the aerospace heritage of Philadelphia so

27:56 - so that's that's essentially what we do

27:58 - we've been speaking with Eleanor arrangers president of the southeastern Pennsylvania

28:02 - cold war historical society thank you.

28:05 - You're welcome thanks very much for the opportunity.