(2014) Former PA Governor, Ed Rendell, reflects on his personal and professional life during a special five-part oral history series produced by PCN (Part 5 of 5)
00:15 - >> YOU SAID LAST TIME THAT YOU
00:17 - HAD NO DOUBT YOU WANTED TO RUN
00:19 - FOR A SECOND TERM.
00:20 - SO, WHAT WAS IT YOU WANTED TO
00:21 - ACCOMPLISH THAT YOU HADN'T DONE
00:22 - YET?
00:23 - >> WELL, ALMOST EVERYTHING.
00:24 - OF ALL THOSE PROMISES I MADE IN
00:26 - 2002, WE HAD MADE INCREMENTAL
00:28 - PROGRESS, BUT WE WEREN'T THERE
00:31 - YET.
00:31 - FOR EXAMPLE, TRANSPORTATION.
00:34 - I STILL WANTED TO SOLVE THE
00:36 - DILEMMA OF PENNSYLVANIA NOT
00:38 - SPENDING ENOUGH ON AN ANNUAL
00:39 - BASIS ON THEIR TRANSPORTATION
00:41 - NEEDS, AND WE DECIDED TO PUT IN
00:43 - AN APPLICATION TO TOLL I-80,
00:47 - WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT.
00:49 - AND THE WAY WE HAD IT DESIGNED,
00:51 - THE WAY WE HAD THE TOLL BOOTHS
00:54 - MAPPED OUT, PENNSYLVANIANS WOULD
00:56 - HAVE PAID VERY LITTLE SHARE OF
00:58 - THE TOLL.
00:59 - THE TOLL WOULD HAVE BEEN
01:00 - BASICALLY PAID BY PEOPLE WHO
01:02 - ENTERED ON THE EAST AND WENT ALL
01:03 - THE WAY ACROSS TO THE WEST
01:05 - 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO
01:06 - PUT THE MOST WEAR AND TEAR ON
01:08 - 80.
01:08 - BUT IT GOT TURNED DOWN BY THE
01:11 - FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND AS I
01:13 - SAID IN MY BOOK, WE LOST I-80
01:15 - BECAUSE OF HEALTHCARE.
01:17 - A NUMBER OF THE PENNSYLVANIA
01:21 - CONGRESSMEN ALONG I-80 DIDN'T
01:24 - WANT IT TOLLED BECAUSE THEY
01:26 - DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, AND SO THEY
01:28 - COMPLAINED TO WASHINGTON.
01:29 - AND THEY TRIED TO BARTER I-80
01:34 - FOR OTHER THINGS.
01:36 - SO, WE LOST I-80, AND THAT MEANT
01:38 - WE HAD TO FIND SOME WAY OF
01:40 - FILLING THE GAP IN FUNDING.
01:43 - AND I PROPOSED IN MY LAST TWO
01:45 - BUDGETS A TRANSPORTATION BILL,
01:47 - ALMOST THE EXACT SAME BILL AS
01:49 - SENATOR RAFFERTY PUT IN THAT
01:51 - BECAME ACT 79.
01:53 - BUT IRONICALLY, THE REPUBLICANS
01:55 - IN THE SENATE WERE THE ONES WHO
01:57 - HELD IT UP.
01:58 - AND I CAMPAIGNED -- AS YOU KNOW,
02:00 - I WENT UP AND STOOD WITH
02:01 - SENATOR RAFFERTY AND
02:03 - GOVERNOR CORBETT IN THE ROTUNDA,
02:04 - CAMPAIGNING FOR THE PASSAGE OF
02:06 - 79.
02:08 - BUT I GAVE A LITTLE SHOT TO
02:09 - SENATOR RAFFERTY, WHICH HE
02:10 - RICHLY DESERVED.
02:11 - I SAID, "SENATOR, IF WE HAD DONE
02:14 - THIS BACK IN 2009, PENNSYLVANIA
02:16 - WOULD HAVE SPENT BY THIS TIME
02:19 - ABOUT $12 BILLION MORE ON ITS
02:21 - INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THINK WHERE
02:23 - WE'D BE."
02:24 - >> FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING
02:26 - THIS YEARS FROM WHEN WE'RE
02:27 - TAPING THIS, CAN YOU JUST
02:29 - REFRESH MEMORY ABOUT ACT 79?
02:30 - >> IT ESSENTIALLY RAISED THE
02:33 - GAS TAX.
02:34 - GOVERNOR CORBETT WILL TELL YOU
02:36 - THEY RAISED THE LIQUID-FUELS
02:37 - TAX, AND THAT'S PAID BY THE
02:38 - COMPANIES, BUT OF COURSE THE
02:40 - COMPANIES ARE PASSING IT ON TO
02:41 - US.
02:42 - AND OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, BY
02:44 - THE TIME IT RAMPS UP TO ITS FULL
02:46 - EXTENT AND IT PHASES IN, IT'LL
02:48 - ADD $2.3 BILLION TO THE STATE'S
02:50 - TRANSPORTATION FUNDING,
02:52 - ANNUALLY.
02:53 - THAT'S FABULOUS.
02:54 - AND IT WILL RAISE THE PRICE OF
02:56 - GAS AT THE PUMP SIGNIFICANTLY,
02:58 - BUT IT NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR
02:59 - PENNSYLVANIA TO REMAIN
03:01 - ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE, TO
03:02 - MAKE US SAFE, TO IMPROVE THE
03:04 - QUALITY OF OUR LIVES, ALL THOSE
03:06 - THINGS.
03:06 - AND IT WAS A GOOD BILL.
03:08 - AND AS I SAID, I HELPED
03:10 - GOVERNOR CORBETT AND SENATOR
03:12 - RAFFERTY GET IT PASSED, BUT HAD
03:15 - WE DONE THE EXACT -- I PROPOSED
03:17 - VIRTUALLY THE EXACT SAME THING.
03:19 - IT WAS A RAISE OF GAS TAX AND
03:21 - RAISING SOME OF THE FEES FOR
03:23 - LICENSES AND REGISTRATION.
03:25 - THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE
03:26 - PRODUCED ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT
03:27 - OF MONEY.
03:28 - HAD WE DONE IT BACK IN '09 --
03:30 - AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE HAD '09,
03:32 - '10, '11, '12, '13 -- WE WOULD
03:35 - HAVE HAD SIX YEARS OF A
03:37 - $2-BILLION YIELD.
03:38 - THAT'S THE $12 BILLION I WAS
03:40 - TALKING ABOUT.
03:41 - >> YOU WERE ALSO -- A BILL WAS
03:45 - PUT IN PLACE THAT ALLOWED THE
03:46 - TURNPIKE TO RAISE ITS TOLLS.
03:48 - >> THAT WAS EARLY ON.
03:49 - THAT WAS IN MY FIRST TERM.
03:50 - >> AND DID YOU GET RESISTANCE
03:52 - FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE
03:53 - LEGISLATURE ALONG THE TURNPIKE
03:55 - THAT IT WOULD HURT BUSINESS?
03:56 - >> NO.
03:57 - FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T NEED THE
03:58 - LEGISLATURE FOR THAT.
04:00 - THE TURNPIKE COMMISSION WAS THE
04:02 - ONE WHO VOTED THAT, AND THE
04:04 - GOVERNOR CONTROLS TWO
04:06 - APPOINTMENTS FROM HIS PARTY, AND
04:08 - THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
04:10 - THEY'RE THREE OF THE FIVE VOTES
04:12 - ON THE TURNPIKE COMMISSION.
04:14 - SO, I COULD -- THEY CAME TO ME
04:16 - AND I SAID YES AND THEN -- IN
04:18 - FACT, THE TWO REPUBLICAN
04:19 - COMMISSIONERS ALSO VOTED FOR IT.
04:21 - INTERESTINGLY, TOLLS -- TO SHOW
04:24 - YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOLLS
04:27 - AND TAXES, PEOPLE HATE TAXES,
04:29 - BUT TOLLS THEY SOMEWHAT ACCEPT
04:31 - BECAUSE WHEN WE RAISED THE TOLLS
04:34 - ON THE TURNPIKE, WE RAISED THEM
04:35 - 41% BECAUSE THAT WAS THE LEVEL
04:40 - THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
04:41 - RAISED, IF YOU ADJUSTED FOR
04:43 - INFLATION, FROM THE LAST TIME
04:44 - THEY HAD BEEN RAISED PREVIOUSLY,
04:46 - WHICH I THINK WAS IN LIKE '89 OR
04:48 - SOMETHING.
04:49 - SO, WE RAISED THEM 41%.
04:50 - NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WE'D
04:52 - GET A LOT OF BITCHING AND
04:54 - MOANING ABOUT THAT.
04:55 - AND AS I SAID, I GOT ABOUT 17
04:58 - LETTERS.
04:59 - WHEN WE STOPPED SPRAYING FOR THE
05:01 - BLACK FLY IN CENTRAL
05:03 - PENNSYLVANIA, I GOT OVER 1,500
05:05 - LETTERS.
05:06 - SO, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT
05:08 - THERE WAS VERY LITTLE RESISTANCE
05:10 - TO THE TOLL INCREASE.
05:11 - THE TRUCKERS DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT
05:12 - BASICALLY THE AVERAGE CITIZEN
05:14 - DIDN'T CARE SO MUCH.
05:15 - AND EVEN THE GOVERNOR'S -- THE
05:20 - ACT 79 -- IT'S GONNA COST THE
05:22 - AVERAGE DRIVER ABOUT $140 A
05:26 - YEAR.
05:26 - NOW, PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, THAT'S A
05:28 - LOT OF MONEY," AND IT IS.
05:29 - AND I DON'T MAKE LIGHT OF $140.
05:31 - A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE ON A VERY
05:33 - NARROW MARGIN IN THEIR BUDGETS.
05:35 - BUT IT WILL SAVE THEM, IN
05:37 - CONGESTION THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
05:39 - TO SIT IN, IN REPAIRS TO THEIR
05:41 - CAR THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE
05:42 - TO DO BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE
05:44 - IMPROVED AND THE BRIDGES ARE
05:45 - IMPROVED.
05:46 - THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION
05:48 - INSTITUTE ESTIMATES THAT
05:50 - PROPERLY MAINTAINED ROADS AND
05:52 - BRIDGES AND HIGHWAYS WILL SAVE
05:55 - THAT MOTORIST $800 A YEAR.
05:57 - SO, YES, THEY'RE PAYING $140
05:59 - MORE IN GAS TAXES, BUT THEY'RE
06:01 - SAVING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
06:03 - MONEY IN OTHER WAYS.
06:05 - SO, I WANTED TO DO
06:09 - TRANSPORTATION.
06:10 - AND AGAIN, WE GOT A BIG HELP
06:12 - FROM STIMULUS.
06:13 - STIMULUS CAME ALONG, AND ALL
06:14 - THOSE STIMULUS -- AND I'M
06:16 - TALKING ABOUT, OF COURSE,
06:17 - PRESIDENT OBAMA'S STIMULUS THAT
06:19 - HE PASSED IN '09.
06:20 - THAT WAS MUCH MALIGNED.
06:22 - AND THERE WAS SOME GOOD REASON
06:24 - TO CRITICIZE STIMULUS, BUT IT
06:26 - DID WONDERS.
06:28 - IT GAVE PENNSYLVANIA $1 BILLION
06:30 - FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES AND
06:32 - HIGHWAYS.
06:33 - $1 BILLION.
06:35 - IT GAVE US ALMOST ANOTHER $1
06:37 - BILLION FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER
06:39 - SYSTEMS.
06:39 - SO, IT DID A LOT FOR
06:41 - PENNSYLVANIA'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
06:42 - AND BETWEEN -- IN MY SECOND
06:45 - TERM, I PASSED A BOND ISSUE TO
06:47 - PUT $400 MILLION INTO BRIDGE
06:49 - REPAIR.
06:50 - AND BETWEEN THAT AND STIMULUS
06:52 - MONEY, AT ONE POINT IN MY LAST
06:55 - YEAR IN OFFICE, THERE WERE 1,400
06:57 - BRIDGES IN PENNSYLVANIA BEING
06:59 - WORKED ON.
07:01 - AND WHEN I LEFT OFFICE, OUR
07:04 - UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS 7.4%.
07:06 - THE NATIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
07:09 - WAS 9.2%.
07:10 - AND ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS SO
07:12 - LOW WAS BECAUSE WE SPENT SO
07:13 - MUCH MONEY REPAIRING AND
07:15 - REVITALIZING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
07:17 - >> WHY WAS STIMULUS SO MALIGNED,
07:19 - LIKE YOU SAID?
07:21 - >> BECAUSE -- THEY DID A COUPLE
07:23 - OF THINGS.
07:24 - THEY DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY
07:26 - ENTIRELY ON JOB CREATION.
07:29 - THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AND
07:31 - SENATE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO
07:33 - SORT OF SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
07:35 - THAT'S NUMBER ONE, AND, NUMBER
07:36 - TWO, THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T DO A
07:38 - VERY GOOD JOB -- AND I REFER TO
07:40 - THIS IN MY BOOK -- IN EXPLAINING
07:41 - IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
07:42 - SO, THERE WAS A LOT OF MONEY IN
07:44 - FOOD STAMPS, IN THE OBAMA
07:45 - FOOD-STAMP BILL -- IN THE OBAMA
07:47 - STIMULUS BILL FOR FOOD STAMPS.
07:49 - NOW, AT FIRST WASH, PEOPLE SAY,
07:50 - "WELL, FOOD STAMPS?
07:52 - WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH
07:53 - JOB CREATION?"
07:54 - WELL, FOOD STAMPS IS THE FASTEST
07:56 - WAY TO GET MONEY INTO THE
07:58 - ECONOMY BECAUSE JOHN JONES GETS
08:00 - FOOD STAMPS FOR HIS FAMILY IN
08:02 - JUNE, AND HE HAS TO SPEND THEM
08:05 - IN JUNE.
08:06 - AND THEN HE GETS JULY, AND HE
08:07 - HAS TO SPEND THEM IN JULY.
08:09 - SO, BY RAISING THE LEVEL OF FOOD
08:11 - STAMPS AND BY MAKING MORE PEOPLE
08:13 - ELIGIBLE, THEY GOT MONEY INTO
08:14 - THE ECONOMY, INTO THE GROCERY
08:16 - STORES, INTO THE SUPERMARKETS.
08:18 - AND THAT MONEY GOT PASSED ON TO
08:19 - THE DISTRIBUTORS, PASSED ON TO
08:21 - THE FARMERS WHO PROVIDE THE
08:22 - FOOD.
08:23 - SO, THAT WAS A VERY STIMULATIVE
08:25 - EFFECT.
08:25 - THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T DO A VERY
08:27 - GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT.
08:29 - HE DIDN'T EXPLAIN TO THE
08:31 - AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT, OF THE
08:33 - $870 BILLION THAT STIMULUS
08:35 - COSTS, $350 BILLION WERE TAX
08:37 - CUTS.
08:38 - TAX CUTS -- THE REPUBLICANS HAD
08:39 - ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, "THAT'S THE
08:41 - WAY TO GET THE ECONOMY GOING."
08:42 - AND YET THEY BASHED HIM.
08:45 - THE AVERAGE WORKING COUPLE GOT
08:48 - $1,000 IN TAX CUTS.
08:50 - IT WAS CALLED THE
08:51 - MAKING WORK PAY STIMULUS TAX
08:54 - CUT.
08:54 - BUT IF WE WENT INTO THE STREETS
08:56 - OF HARRISBURG OR PHILADELPHIA OR
08:58 - ERIE AND STOPPED 1,000 PEOPLE
09:00 - AND SAID TO THEM, "DO YOU MAKE
09:02 - LESS THAN $250,000?" -- 'CAUSE
09:04 - THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET A TAX
09:06 - CUT WITH STIMULUS -- AND THEY
09:08 - SAID, "YES," OF THOSE 1,000, HOW
09:10 - MANY DO YOU THINK WOULD ANSWER,
09:12 - "DID YOU GET A TAX CUT FROM THE
09:14 - OBAMA ECONOMIC-STIMULUS PLAN?"
09:17 - MY GUESS IS MAYBE 10 OUT OF
09:19 - 1,000.
09:19 - AND YET EVERY SINGLE PERSON
09:21 - DID IT.
09:21 - I SAID IN MY BOOK THAT IF -- AND
09:23 - THE WAY THEY DID IT WAS THEY
09:25 - JUST REDUCED YOUR PAYROLL
09:26 - DEDUCTION TAX.
09:27 - SO, YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT LESS
09:29 - TAKEN OUT EVERY TWO WEEKS.
09:31 - IF I HAD DONE IT AND IF I HAD
09:33 - BEEN THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE
09:35 - PRESIDENT, I WOULD HAVE HAD
09:37 - SECRETARY GEITHNER SEND EVERY
09:39 - AMERICAN FAMILY A $1,000 CHECK,
09:41 - SAYING, "THIS IS FROM
09:42 - PRESIDENT OBAMA'S STIMULUS.
09:44 - THE PRESIDENT HOPES YOU WILL PUT
09:46 - IT INTO THE ECONOMY.
09:47 - DON'T SAVE IT, BUT INVEST IT IN
09:48 - THE ECONOMY NOW BECAUSE BY
09:50 - SPENDING IT, YOU'LL HELP JOB
09:51 - CREATION."
09:52 - EVERY AMERICAN WOULD HAVE KNOWN
09:54 - THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A $1,000
09:56 - TAX CUT FROM THE OBAMA STIMULUS.
09:58 - SO, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION GOT
10:00 - OUTSPUN TERRIBLY, AND THAT WAS
10:02 - PROBLEM NUMBER ONE.
10:03 - PROBLEM NUMBER TWO -- THEY
10:04 - DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH MONEY ON
10:06 - INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:06 - WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO
10:08 - INFRASTRUCTURE -- ROADS,
10:10 - BRIDGES, WATER SYSTEMS, ET
10:11 - CETERA -- THERE WAS ABOUT $110
10:13 - BILLION IN STIMULUS FOR
10:15 - INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:16 - THEY SHOULD HAVE TRIPLED THAT
10:18 - AMOUNT.
10:19 - AND IRONICALLY, SENATOR BOXER IN
10:21 - WASHINGTON, FROM CALIFORNIA, ONE
10:23 - OF THE MOST LIBERAL MEMBERS --
10:25 - SHE WAS THE HEAD OF THE PUBLIC
10:26 - WORKS COMMITTEE -- AND
10:28 - SENATOR INHOFE, A REPUBLICAN
10:29 - FROM OKLAHOMA, ONE OF THE MOST
10:31 - CONSERVATIVE -- BUT HE WAS THE
10:32 - RANKING MEMBER ON PUBLIC
10:34 - WORKS -- THEY TRIED TO GET THE
10:35 - ADMINISTRATION TO TRIPLE THE
10:37 - AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
10:38 - SPENDING.
10:39 - WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE
10:41 - INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING IS OUR
10:43 - FASTEST AND BEST JOB CREATION.
10:44 - IT CREATES JOBS THAT ARE AT
10:46 - $50,000-, $60,000-,
10:47 - $70,000-A-YEAR WAGES.
10:49 - >> DID YOU HAVE A RAPPORT WITH
10:51 - OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WHERE YOU
10:52 - COULD LET YOUR OPINION BE KNOWN
10:54 - AND FEEL LIKE YOU WERE BEING
10:55 - HEARD?
10:55 - >> I HAD A RAPPORT NOT SO MUCH
10:57 - WITH THE PRESIDENT, BUT WITH
10:59 - RAHM EMANUEL, WHO I WAS FRIENDS
11:00 - WITH -- ACTUALLY, HE WORKED FOR
11:02 - ME WHEN I RAN FOR MAYOR -- HE
11:04 - WAS DOING NEGATIVE RESEARCH, AND
11:06 - I HIRED HIM -- AND WITH
11:07 - JOE BIDEN, OF COURSE, 'CAUSE HE
11:09 - HAD BEEN A SENATOR FROM DELAWARE
11:10 - AND I WAS VERY CLOSE TO HIM.
11:12 - AND MY WIFE'S SISTER ACTUALLY
11:14 - WENT OUT WITH JOE BIDEN FOR A
11:16 - LONG TIME, SO WE HAD FAMILY
11:18 - CONNECTIONS.
11:19 - AND YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT
11:21 - PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA AND
11:23 - VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN ASKED
11:25 - ME WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE
11:27 - NATIONAL GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION
11:30 - TO CONVENE A MEETING IN
11:32 - PHILADELPHIA -- WE HAD IT IN
11:34 - CONGRESS HALL -- FOR THE 50
11:36 - GOVERNORS.
11:37 - AND IT WAS ON DECEMBER 1st,
11:38 - AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS
11:40 - ELECTED.
11:41 - AND WE TALKED ABOUT STIMULUS,
11:42 - AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS
11:44 - THAT SHOULD BE IN STIMULUS.
11:46 - AND I TOLD SENATOR BIDEN ABOUT
11:48 - THE FACT THAT -- AND WE TOLD THE
11:50 - GOVERNORS -- WE ALL TOLD
11:52 - PRESIDENT OBAMA ABOUT THE NEED
11:54 - FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY.
11:57 - BUT THEY JUST DIDN'T PUT ENOUGH
11:58 - IN.
11:59 - >> NOW, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR
12:00 - RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OBAMA
12:01 - ADMINISTRATION?
12:02 - 'CAUSE YOU DID NOT SUPPORT
12:03 - BARACK OBAMA WHEN HE WAS
12:05 - RUNNING...
12:05 - >> NO, I DIDN'T.
12:06 - I SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON IN
12:08 - THE PENNSYLVANIA PRIMARY, AND
12:09 - HILLARY HAD A VERY BIG VICTORY
12:10 - HERE.
12:11 - BUT IN THE FALL, OF COURSE, WE
12:13 - STRONGLY SUPPORTED
12:14 - PRESIDENT OBAMA.
12:16 - AND HE DIDN'T COME TO
12:18 - PENNSYLVANIA MUCH IN OCTOBER AND
12:22 - THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER.
12:24 - AND IF YOU RECALL,
12:25 - SENATOR McCAIN AND
12:26 - GOVERNOR PALIN CAME IN A LOT.
12:28 - AND I WAS ALWAYS SENT OUT BY THE
12:30 - OBAMA CAMPAIGN.
12:31 - IF McCAIN AND PALIN WENT INTO
12:32 - LANCASTER ON TUESDAY, I WOULD BE
12:34 - THERE TUESDAY AFTERNOON OR
12:36 - WEDNESDAY MORNING HOLDING THE
12:37 - PRESS CONFERENCE, ANSWERING
12:39 - THEM.
12:39 - SO, I THOUGHT I HAD EARNED MY --
12:44 - SOME LOYALTY FROM THE
12:45 - ADMINISTRATION, AND THEY WERE
12:46 - PRETTY GOOD TO PENNSYLVANIA.
12:47 - I WAS NEVER AN OBAMA INSIDER,
12:49 - PROBABLY FOR THE REASON THAT I
12:51 - SUPPORTED HILLARY, BUT I ALWAYS
12:53 - GOT MY IDEAS ACROSS.
12:54 - AND YOU RECALL
12:55 - GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER AND
12:57 - MYSELF AND MAYOR BLOOMBERG, WHO
12:59 - WERE THE THREE FOUNDERS OF
13:00 - BUILDING AMERICA'S FUTURE -- WE
13:02 - WERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE SEVERAL
13:04 - TIMES WITH THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE
13:06 - HE DID LATER ON UNDERSTAND THE
13:08 - NEED FOR CONTINUING
13:09 - INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING.
13:10 - SO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS
13:12 - FROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
13:14 - PENNSYLVANIA DID WELL UNDER
13:16 - STIMULUS.
13:17 - WE DID WELL ON SO MANY DIFFERENT
13:19 - AREAS.
13:19 - THEY TREATED US JUST FINE.
13:22 - >> WHY DID YOU SUPPORT
13:23 - HILLARY CLINTON SO STRONGLY IN
13:24 - THE PRIMARY?
13:25 - >> WELL, I KNEW HILLARY.
13:26 - I DIDN'T KNOW SENATOR OBAMA.
13:27 - I HAD MET WITH HIM ONCE OR
13:29 - TWICE, BUT I KNEW HILLARY.
13:30 - I ADMIRED WHAT SHE DID AS
13:32 - FIRST LADY, I ADMIRED THE WAY
13:33 - SHE RAN FOR SENATE IN NEW YORK,
13:35 - AND I ADMIRED WHAT TYPE OF
13:37 - SENATOR SHE WAS.
13:38 - SHE WAS TERRIFIC.
13:39 - EVERYONE THOUGHT SHE'D COME IN
13:41 - AND ACT LIKE THE FIRST LADY AND
13:43 - TRY TO PUSH SENATORS AROUND.
13:44 - SHE WAS A REAL TEAM PLAYER.
13:46 - SHE HAD A GREAT KNACK FOR
13:48 - WORKING WITH THE ORRIN HATCHES
13:50 - AND THE JOHN McCAINS ON THE
13:52 - REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE.
13:54 - AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS A MODERATE
13:56 - DEMOCRAT.
13:57 - I KNOW SOME OF MY REPUBLICAN
13:59 - FRIENDS -- STEVE MISHKIN WOULD
14:02 - FAINT -- HE WAS A STAFFER FOR
14:04 - THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS IN
14:05 - HARRISBURG -- FOR ME TO DESCRIBE
14:08 - MYSELF AS A MODERATE DEMOCRAT.
14:10 - BUT I THINK I AM A MODERATE
14:12 - DEMOCRAT, AND HILLARY'S APPROACH
14:15 - WAS VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO MINE.
14:17 - I LIKED HER.
14:18 - I HAD CONFIDENCE IN HER.
14:19 - AND I ALSO THINK IT'S TIME FOR A
14:21 - WOMAN TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY.
14:23 - I MEAN, THE MEN HAVE NOT DONE
14:25 - SUCH A HOT JOB IN THE LAST 50,
14:26 - 60 YEARS LEADING THE COUNTRY,
14:28 - AND I THINK WE COULD USE A
14:30 - WOMAN.
14:30 - AND I THINK HILLARY IS OUR BEST
14:32 - BET -- AND I STILL DO -- TO GET
14:35 - BOTH SIDES TO COME TOGETHER AND
14:37 - DO SOME THINGS -- COMPROMISE A
14:39 - LITTLE BIT AND DO SOME THINGS
14:41 - THAT ARE IN THE LONG-TERM
14:42 - INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
14:44 - >> NOW, WHEN YOU WERE WORKING
14:45 - FOR THE CAMPAIGN IN THE PRIMARY
14:46 - IN PENNSYLVANIA, DID THEY GIVE
14:47 - YOU ASSIGNMENTS, SAY, "WE WANT
14:49 - YOU TO BE HERE OR HERE," OR
14:50 - DID YOU --
14:50 - >> NO.
14:51 - THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT
14:52 - HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN IS I
14:54 - BASICALLY GAVE THEM ASSIGNMENTS,
14:55 - WHICH WAS SMART BECAUSE THEY
14:57 - RELIED ON SOMEONE WHO KNEW
14:58 - PENNSYLVANIA, WHO KNEW WHERE TO
15:00 - GO AND WHO TO SPEAK TO AND WHAT
15:02 - PEOPLE THEY HAD TO TOUCH, WHAT
15:04 - GROUPS THEY HAD TO TOUCH.
15:06 - I GAVE HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN
15:07 - TREMENDOUS PLUSES FOR THAT
15:09 - BECAUSE MOST OF THE PRESIDENTIAL
15:11 - CAMPAIGNS I'VE WORKED WITH NEVER
15:13 - BOTHER TO ASK.
15:14 - SO, FOR EXAMPLE -- I'LL GIVE YOU
15:16 - A GREAT EXAMPLE -- IN 2004, THEY
15:18 - SENT JOHN EDWARDS, WHO WAS
15:20 - JOHN KERRY'S RUNNING MATE AT
15:22 - THAT TIME, INTO PHILADELPHIA ON
15:24 - THE LAST WEEKEND BEFORE THE
15:26 - ELECTION.
15:27 - AND PENNSYLVANIA -- JOHN KERRY
15:28 - CARRIED PENNSYLVANIA, BUT JUST
15:30 - BY A LITTLE.
15:31 - SO, THEY SENT JOHN EDWARDS IN.
15:33 - THEY DIDN'T EVEN LET ME KNOW.
15:36 - JOHN EDWARDS COMES TO
15:37 - PHOENIXVILLE, WHICH IS A SUBURB
15:39 - OF PHILADELPHIA, AND HE GIVES A
15:41 - SPEECH WHERE HE RIPS THE DRUG
15:43 - COMPANIES AND TALKS ABOUT WHAT
15:46 - SENATOR KERRY AND HE WOULD DO TO
15:48 - DEAL WITH THE HIGH COST OF
15:50 - PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
15:51 - WELL, AS THE INQUIRER POINTED
15:53 - OUT THE NEXT MORNING,
15:54 - JOHN EDWARDS MADE THAT SPEECH
15:56 - RIPPING THE DRUG COMPANIES, AND
15:58 - IN A 50-MILE CIRCUMFERENCE
16:00 - AROUND WHERE HE MADE THAT
16:02 - SPEECH, 64,000 PEOPLE WERE
16:03 - EMPLOYED BY THOSE DRUG
16:05 - COMPANIES.
16:06 - THAT'S A SPEECH HE SHOULD HAVE
16:07 - MADE IN PITTSBURGH.
16:08 - IN PHILADELPHIA, HE SHOULD HAVE
16:10 - MADE A DIFFERENT SPEECH.
16:11 - BUT THEY NEVER BOTHERED TO ASK.
16:12 - THE BEAUTY OF THE HILLARY
16:14 - CAMPAIGN IS THEY BASICALLY
16:15 - DEFERRED TO MOSTLY ME, BUT TO ME
16:19 - AND MARY EISENHOWER, WHO WAS
16:21 - THEIR STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN
16:22 - MANAGER.
16:23 - THEY TOOK THEIR ADVICE FROM US.
16:25 - AND I REMEMBER EVEN
16:26 - PRESIDENT CLINTON -- HE WENT
16:28 - WHERE WE TOLD HIM TO SEND
16:30 - PRESIDENT CLINTON.
16:32 - >> AND HILLARY CLINTON WON THE
16:33 - PENNSYLVANIA PRIMARY.
16:34 - >> BY 10 POINTS.
16:35 - AND I HAD PREDICTED -- IT'S
16:37 - FUNNY.
16:37 - THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS
16:39 - THAT TURNED OUT GREAT.
16:40 - THEY ASKED ME AT THE BEGINNING
16:41 - OF THE CAMPAIGN, "ARE WE GONNA
16:43 - WIN?" AND I SAID, "YEAH, IF WE
16:44 - DO IT RIGHT, WE'LL WIN, AND
16:45 - WE'LL WIN A BIG VICTORY."
16:46 - I SAID, "WE'LL WIN BY 200,000
16:48 - VOTES."
16:49 - AND ON ELECTION NIGHT, I
16:50 - REPORTED TO THEM AT 10:00 THAT
16:53 - WE WERE GONNA WIN BY 200,000
16:55 - VOTES.
16:55 - AND AFTER THE VICTORY SPEECH
16:57 - HILLARY MADE AROUND 11:00,
16:59 - MYSELF AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE
17:01 - WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE
17:03 - CAMPAIGN -- MARY EISENHOWER --
17:05 - WE WENT OUT TO MISCONDUCT, A
17:07 - LOCAL BAR WITH GREAT BAR FOOD.
17:09 - AND WE'RE SITTING THERE WATCHING
17:11 - THE TV, AND WE WERE WATCHING --
17:13 - THEY HAD FOX ON.
17:15 - AND THE CHYRON WAS REPORTING
17:17 - EVERY FEW SECONDS THE LATEST
17:19 - VOTE TOTALS.
17:20 - AND HILLARY WAS UP BY 202,000
17:23 - VOTES.
17:24 - AND I SAID, HALF-JOKINGLY, "COME
17:26 - ON, SENATOR OBAMA, CUT INTO THAT
17:28 - LEAD," 'CAUSE I WANTED TO WIN BY
17:30 - 200,000.
17:30 - WE WON BY 201,000.
17:32 - SO, I WAS SLIGHTLY WRONG.
17:34 - >> I WAN TO BACK UP A LITTLE
17:36 - BIT.
17:36 - WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT YOUR
17:38 - RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
17:39 - DID YOU DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT
17:41 - FOR YOUR SECOND-TERM ELECTION,
17:43 - THE CAMPAIGN?
17:44 - >> NO. IT'S INTERESTING.
17:46 - I RAN AGAINST, ACTUALLY, A VERY
17:49 - BOLD CHOICE BY THE REPUBLICANS.
17:52 - I DIDN'T ASSUME -- I ASSUMED I
17:53 - WAS GONNA RUN AGAINST SOMEONE
17:55 - LIKE SENATOR PICCOLA, WHO WOULD
17:56 - HAVE BEEN A GARDEN-VARIETY
17:57 - CONSERVATIVE.
17:58 - THE REPUBLICANS REACHED OUT AND
18:00 - RAN LYNN SWANN, WHO AT THAT TIME
18:02 - WAS, OF COURSE, FIRST AND
18:03 - FOREMOST A GREAT FOOTBALL HERO,
18:05 - WHO'S IN THE
18:06 - FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME, A GREAT
18:08 - PITTSBURGH STEELER, AND A VERY
18:10 - GOOD-LOOKING, CHARISMATIC
18:12 - SPEAKER.
18:15 - AND THAT YEAR, IT JUST SO
18:16 - HAPPENED, IN 2006, THE STEELERS
18:18 - WERE IN THE SUPER BOWL.
18:20 - AND I WENT TO THE SUPER BOWL AS
18:22 - GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND IT
18:24 - JUST SO HAPPENED THAT, AT THE
18:25 - SUPER BOWL THAT YEAR, THEY
18:27 - INTRODUCED ALL PREVIOUS LIVING
18:29 - SUPER BOWL MVPs.
18:30 - AND LYNN SWANN WAS A SUPER BOWL
18:32 - MVP.
18:32 - HE RUNS OUT ONTO THE FIELD.
18:33 - THERE MUST HAVE BEEN 40,000
18:35 - PEOPLE FROM PITTSBURGH THERE,
18:36 - AND THEY GO CRAZY.
18:37 - AND I SAID TO MYSELF, "I'M IN
18:39 - TROUBLE."
18:40 - AND THE FIRST POLL THAT CAME OUT
18:42 - HAD ME 4 POINTS UP, WHICH IS
18:45 - WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR.
18:47 - BUT THEN WE HAD RAISED A LOT OF
18:49 - MONEY.
18:50 - I ALWAYS WAS A GOOD FUNDRAISER
18:52 - FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND FOR MY OWN
18:54 - CAMPAIGNS.
18:55 - AND WE WENT ON TELEVISION VERY
18:57 - EARLY, LIKE IN -- RIGHT AFTER
19:00 - THE PRIMARY, IN JUNE.
19:01 - AND WE TOLD PEOPLE WHAT WE HAD
19:04 - DONE, HOW THE STATE HAD MOVED
19:06 - EDUCATIONALLY, HOW THE SCORES
19:08 - WERE IMPROVING, WHAT THEY GOT --
19:10 - WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA GET HIT
19:11 - FOR RAISING TAXES.
19:12 - I WAS THE FIRST GOVERNOR SINCE
19:14 - WE'VE HAD TWO-TERM GOVERNORS TO
19:16 - RAISE TAXES DURING HIS FIRST
19:17 - TERM.
19:18 - I RAISED TAXES IN MY FIRST YEAR,
19:19 - AS YOU RECALL.
19:20 - WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
19:21 - AND I KNEW THAT WOULD BE AN
19:22 - ISSUE.
19:23 - AND IN FACT, LYNN SWANN RAISED A
19:24 - LOT OF MONEY, RAISED $16 MILLION
19:26 - AND SPENT ABOUT $14 MILLION OF
19:28 - IT REMINDING PEOPLE IN
19:29 - PENNSYLVANIA THAT I HAD RAISED
19:31 - THE SECOND-BIGGEST TAX INCREASE
19:33 - IN STATE HISTORY.
19:34 - SO, WE WENT ON EARLY REMINDING
19:35 - PEOPLE WHAT THEY GOT FOR THAT
19:37 - TAX INCREASE -- IMPROVEMENTS IN
19:39 - THE ECONOMY, HOW THE
19:41 - PENNSYLVANIA ECONOMY WAS THE
19:42 - BEST OF ANY LARGE INDUSTRIAL
19:44 - STATE, HOW WE WERE WAY LOWER
19:46 - THAN THE NATIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT
19:48 - AVERAGE, HOW WE WERE CREATING
19:50 - GREEN JOBS ALL OVER THE STATE,
19:52 - THIRD-HIGHEST AMOUNT OF GREEN
19:53 - JOBS IN THE COUNTRY, BEHIND ONLY
19:55 - CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS, THE
19:56 - EDUCATIONAL THINGS WE HAD
19:58 - DONE -- FULL-DAY KINDERGARTEN,
20:00 - PRE-KINDERGARTEN, SMALLER
20:01 - CLASSES SIZES, AFTER-SCHOOL
20:03 - TUTORING, TECHNOLOGY IN THE
20:05 - CLASSROOMS.
20:05 - AND THE TEST SCORES WERE
20:07 - IMPROVING DRAMATICALLY.
20:08 - WE LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE
20:10 - ENVIRONMENT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL
20:12 - PROTECTION THAT WE HAD PUT IN
20:13 - PLACE FOR PENNSYLVANIA.
20:15 - ALL THOSE THINGS.
20:16 - AND AS WE ADVERTISED AND PEOPLE
20:18 - GOT TO REALIZE WHAT HAD
20:20 - HAPPENED, WE SAW THAT 4 POINTS
20:22 - GO TO 8 POINTS AND THEN GO TO 13
20:24 - POINTS AND 17 POINTS.
20:26 - AND AT ONE POINT, IT REACHED 25
20:28 - POINTS, AND ON ELECTION NIGHT,
20:30 - AS YOU RECALL, I WON BY 21
20:31 - POINTS, WHICH, EXCEPT FOR WHEN
20:34 - GOVERNOR CASEY RAN AND
20:36 - GOVERNOR RIDGE RAN FOR A SECOND
20:38 - TERM, WHEN THEY HAD OPPONENTS
20:41 - WHO RAISED LESS THAN $1 MILLION,
20:43 - THAT WAS BY FAR THE BIGGEST
20:45 - MARGIN IN PENNSYLVANIA HISTORY.
20:47 - AND WE DID IT BECAUSE WE WERE
20:49 - ABLE TO SELL PEOPLE ON THE FACT
20:51 - THAT, "YES, WE SPENT YOUR
20:52 - MONEY -- WE TAXED AND WE
20:54 - SPENT -- BUT YOU GOT SOMETHING
20:56 - IN RETURN FOR IT, AND GOVERNMENT
20:58 - MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY
21:00 - OF PEOPLE'S LIVES IN
21:01 - PENNSYLVANIA."
21:02 - AND WE GOT A HUGE TURNOUT IN
21:04 - DEMOCRATIC AREAS.
21:06 - BUT I WENT FROM -- IN MY FIRST
21:08 - ELECTION, I BECAME GOVERNOR
21:10 - CARRYING 15 OUT OF 67 COUNTIES.
21:13 - OBVIOUSLY, I CARRIED THE
21:14 - POPULOUS COUNTIES IN THE
21:16 - SOUTHEAST.
21:17 - BUT IN MY SECOND ELECTION, I
21:19 - CARRIED 33 OUT OF 67 COUNTIES,
21:21 - AND THE 18 THAT I PICKED UP WERE
21:24 - ALL COUNTIES THAT HAD REPUBLICAN
21:26 - REGISTRATION EDGES, BUT COUNTIES
21:28 - WHERE WE HAD DONE A LOT IN
21:29 - ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PEOPLE
21:31 - SAW THAT GOVERNMENT COULD MAKE A
21:33 - DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES.
21:34 - SO, NOT ONLY DID I THINK THIS
21:35 - WAS A GREAT VICTORY FOR ME, BUT
21:37 - I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT VICTORY
21:39 - FOR THOSE OF US WHO BELIEVE THAT
21:40 - GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE A ROLE IN
21:42 - TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES
21:43 - BETTER, THAT GOVERNMENT DOES
21:45 - HAVE A ROLE IN CREATING
21:46 - OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T
21:47 - HAVE OPPORTUNITY, THAT
21:49 - GOVERNMENT SHOULD SPEND MONEY
21:50 - WISELY.
21:51 - WE REMINDED PEOPLE OF HOW MUCH
21:52 - MONEY WE SAVED OUT OF THE
21:54 - OPERATING BUDGET BY PURCHASING
21:56 - SMARTER, BY, YOU KNOW, DOING
21:57 - JUST SMARTER MANAGEMENT, TIGHTER
21:59 - MANAGEMENT, CONTROL OF OVERTIME,
22:01 - BETTER CONTRACT WITH THE
22:03 - WORKFORCE.
22:03 - I WAS THE FIRST GOVERNOR TO MAKE
22:05 - STATE EMPLOYEES PAY A PART OF
22:07 - THEIR HEALTHCARE COST, WHICH
22:09 - EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD WAS
22:11 - DOING.
22:11 - SO, WE REMINDED PEOPLE OF THE
22:13 - FACT THAT I SAVED MONEY AND I
22:14 - SPENT IT ON THINGS THAT MATTERED
22:16 - IN THEIR LIVES.
22:17 - AND WE WON A BIG, BIG, BIG
22:18 - VICTORY.
22:19 - AND AGAIN, LYNN SWANN WAS A
22:20 - TOUGH -- I REMEMBER THE FIRST
22:22 - DEBATE I HAD WITH LYNN SWANN WAS
22:24 - AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
22:25 - AND IF I WAS GRADING THE DEBATE,
22:27 - I WOULD HAVE SAID HE WON.
22:29 - I THINK I WON THE FALL DEBATES,
22:31 - WHICH WERE MORE IMPORTANT, BUT
22:33 - LYNN SWANN WAS A TOUGH OPPONENT,
22:35 - YOU KNOW?
22:36 - AND I LIKE LYNN PERSONALLY.
22:38 - AND IN FACT, I THINK THE
22:39 - REPUBLICANS ARE CRAZY NOT TO
22:41 - HAVE RUN HIM FOR SOMETHING
22:42 - SUBSEQUENTLY.
22:43 - >> THAT WAS ALSO THE ELECTION
22:45 - WHERE BOB CASEY AND
22:46 - RICK SANTORUM RAN AGAINST EACH
22:48 - OTHER FOR U.S. SENATE.
22:50 - FIRST OF ALL, RICK SANTORUM --
22:51 - WHEN YOU WERE GOVERNOR, WHAT
22:52 - KIND OF RELATIONSHIP DID YOU
22:54 - HAVE WITH HIM AS A U.S. SENATOR?
22:55 - >> I HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
22:57 - I SAID THIS DURING THE PRIMARY,
22:59 - THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN
23:01 - 2012 -- I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE
23:02 - HURT RICK, BUT I MEANT IT TO
23:04 - HELP HIM.
23:04 - I SAID HE WAS A GREAT PORK
23:06 - SENATOR, AND HE WAS A GREAT
23:07 - PORK SENATOR.
23:08 - IF I CALLED RICK SANTORUM AND I
23:10 - SAID, "WE NEED 'X' AMOUNT OF
23:12 - MONEY TO FIX THE A-B-C BRIDGE,"
23:17 - IF HE HAD THE ABILITY TO GET IT
23:19 - DONE, HE WOULD GET IT DONE FOR
23:20 - US.
23:21 - AND HE WAS A TERRIFIC SENATOR ON
23:22 - THINGS LIKE THAT, THINGS THAT HE
23:24 - BELIEVED WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE
23:25 - IN PEOPLE'S LIVES.
23:26 - WE DISAGREED ON, FOR EXAMPLE,
23:29 - FOOD STAMPS.
23:30 - WE DISAGREED -- WE DISAGREED
23:32 - IDEOLOGICALLY, BUT WE HAD A
23:33 - GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP.
23:35 - AND TO THIS DAY, WE HAVE A GOOD
23:36 - FRIENDSHIP.
23:37 - I CALLED RICK SANTORUM -- WE'RE
23:40 - SITTING HERE IN AUGUST OF '14,
23:42 - AND I CALLED RICK ABOUT FOUR
23:45 - WEEKS AGO.
23:46 - THERE WAS A -- HE HAD HAD A
23:48 - PRESS CONFERENCE SAYING, "LOOK,
23:50 - THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS TO
23:51 - START PAYING ATTENTION TO THE
23:53 - POOREST AMERICANS, AND WE'VE GOT
23:55 - TO DO SOMETHING TO CREATE
23:56 - OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM."
23:57 - I CALLED HIM TO CONGRATULATE HIM
23:59 - 'CAUSE I THINK, ALTHOUGH HE'S A
24:01 - CONSERVATIVE, I THINK HE -- HIS
24:04 - GOALS ARE GOOD GOALS.
24:06 - I THINK HE'S ALMOST DEAD WRONG
24:07 - ABOUT HOW HE WANTS TO REACH
24:09 - THEM.
24:09 - SO, I HAD A VERY GOOD
24:10 - RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM -- AND
24:12 - OBVIOUSLY A GREAT RELATIONSHIP
24:13 - WITH ARLEN SPECTER.
24:15 - >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
24:16 - OTHER CANDIDATE IN THAT RACE,
24:18 - BOB CASEY, BECAUSE YOU WERE
24:19 - RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AND HE WAS
24:20 - RUNNING FOR U.S. SENATE AND YOU
24:22 - HAD DEFEATED HIM FOR GOVERNMENT
24:23 - FOUR YEARS EARLIER.
24:24 - WERE YOU INVOLVED AT ALL IN HIS
24:26 - CAMPAIGN?
24:26 - >> WELL, SURE. [ CHUCKLES ]
24:27 - I'LL TELL YOU A FUNNY STORY
24:29 - ABOUT IT.
24:29 - THE DEMOCRATS WANTED TO DEFEAT
24:31 - RICK SANTORUM.
24:32 - HE WAS NUMBER ONE ON THEIR
24:33 - TARGET LIST.
24:34 - SO, BOTH HILLARY CLINTON AND
24:36 - CHUCK SCHUMER CALLED ME AND
24:38 - SAID, "WE WANT TO RUN BOB CASEY,
24:40 - BUT HE WON'T RUN IF HE HAS A
24:41 - PRIMARY."
24:42 - AND THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE WHO
24:44 - SAID THEY WERE GONNA RUN IN THE
24:46 - PRIMARY -- BARBARA HAFER AND
24:48 - JOE HOEFFEL.
24:49 - "COULD YOU TALK TO BARBARA HAFER
24:51 - AND JOE HOEFFEL AND SEE IF --"
24:53 - AND I TALKED TO BARBARA HAFER
24:55 - AND JOE HOEFFEL.
24:55 - BARBARA I WAS ABLE TO CONVINCE
24:57 - NOT TO DO IT.
24:58 - JOE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.
24:59 - HE HAD BEEN A CONGRESSMAN AND HE
25:00 - HAD BEEN A PUBLIC SERVANT AND HE
25:02 - WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.
25:03 - I SAID, "JOE, IF YOU WANT TO DO
25:05 - SOMETHING, COME TO WORK FOR ME."
25:09 - I SAID, "I COULD USE YOU IN SO
25:10 - MANY DIFFERENT CAPACITIES."
25:11 - AND, IN FACT, I DID HIRE JOE,
25:13 - AND I PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF
25:15 - PENNSYLVANIA'S EXPORT PROGRAM.
25:16 - AND WITH JOE'S LEADERSHIP, IN MY
25:18 - EIGHT YEARS AS GOVERNOR -- AND
25:21 - JOE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAST
25:23 - FOUR OF THEM -- WE TRIPLED THE
25:24 - AMOUNT OF EXPORTS THAT CAME FROM
25:26 - PENNSYLVANIA.
25:26 - JOE DID A GREAT JOB.
25:28 - SO, I GOT THEM OUT OF THE RACE.
25:29 - BUT THEY WERE BOTH PRO-CHOICE,
25:31 - JOE HOEFFEL AND BARBARA HAFER.
25:33 - AND OF COURSE BOB CASEY'S ALWAYS
25:35 - BEEN PRO-LIFE.
25:36 - SO, I STARTED TO GET THOUSANDS
25:39 - OF E-MAILS AND LETTERS FROM
25:41 - WOMEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY,
25:42 - RIPPING ME FOR GETTING THE TWO
25:44 - PRO-CHOICE CANDIDATES OUT OF THE
25:46 - RACE AND LEAVING A PRO-LIFE
25:48 - CANDIDATE IN THE RACE.
25:49 - SO, I CALLED HILLARY CLINTON'S
25:51 - CHIEF OF STAFF AND I CALLED
25:53 - CHUCK SCHUMER'S CHIEF OF STAFF
25:54 - AND I TOLD THEM I WAS GETTING
25:56 - THESE LETTERS.
25:56 - I SAID, "IS IT ALL RIGHT FOR ME
25:58 - TO E-MAIL BACK THAT I DID IT AT
26:00 - THE REQUEST OF SENATOR CLINTON
26:02 - AND SENATOR SCHUMER?"
26:03 - AND THAT WAS IN 2008.
26:07 - AND WE'RE SITTING HERE IN 2014.
26:10 - I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A RESPONSE
26:12 - YET.
26:12 - THEY DIDN'T SAY, NO, THAT I
26:14 - COULDN'T.
26:14 - BUT I WENT AHEAD AND JUST
26:16 - EXPLAINED -- AND I EXPLAINED TO
26:17 - THE WOMEN -- AND SOME FROM
26:19 - PENNSYLVANIA, BUT ALL OVER THE
26:20 - COUNTRY.
26:21 - I SAID, "LOOK, THE MOST
26:23 - IMPORTANT THING IS, BOB CASEY
26:25 - WILL VOTE FOR HARRY REID TO BE
26:27 - THE LEADER, NUMBER ONE.
26:29 - NUMBER TWO, BOB CASEY, ON 98% OF
26:31 - THE ISSUES, IS PROGRESSIVE, AND
26:33 - RICK SANTORUM IS CONSERVATIVE.
26:35 - AND THIRDLY, BOB CASEY HAS
26:37 - ASSURED ME --" AND HE DID --
26:39 - "THAT, FOR SUPREME COURT AND
26:40 - APPELLATE COURT NOMINEES, HE
26:42 - WOULDN'T APPLY A LITMUS TEST AND
26:44 - VOTE AGAINST THEM JUST BECAUSE
26:46 - THEY WERE PRO-CHOICE."
26:48 - >> WAS YOUR MIND EVER CHANGED BY
26:49 - LETTERS YOU GOT FROM PEOPLE?
26:51 - >> NEVER CHANGED, BUT I READ THE
26:53 - LETTERS, AND I TOOK THEM INTO
26:55 - CONSIDERATION.
26:56 - AND I OFTEN WOULD GET
26:57 - SUGGESTIONS FROM PEOPLE THAT I
26:58 - THOUGHT WERE VALUABLE.
27:00 - IT'S INTERESTING.
27:01 - THE GOVERNOR GETS -- AND I
27:02 - PROBABLY GOT MORE THAN MOST --
27:03 - BUT THE GOVERNOR GETS 800, 900
27:05 - LETTERS A WEEK.
27:06 - I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE
27:07 - UNDERSTAND, BUT THE GOVERNOR HAS
27:10 - A UNIT IN HIS OFFICE CALLED THE
27:12 - CORRESPONDENCE UNIT.
27:13 - WE HAVE A CORRESPONDENCE CHIEF
27:14 - AND THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WHO
27:16 - WORK WITH THEM.
27:17 - THEY OPEN UP ALL THE MAIL.
27:18 - THEY READ THEM.
27:19 - AND WHEN I WAS MAYOR, I READ
27:21 - EACH AND EVERY PIECE OF MAIL I
27:22 - GOT, BUT I COULDN'T DO THAT AS
27:24 - GOVERNOR 'CAUSE I GOT SO MANY.
27:25 - BUT THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT
27:27 - IT IS, I WOULD GET EVERY WEEK A
27:29 - SUMMARY OF THE LETTERS THAT
27:31 - CAME IN.
27:32 - SO, THERE'D BE A LIST OF 22
27:35 - TOPICS, AND THE CHART WOULD SAY,
27:38 - "ON BLACK FLY SPRAYING, YOU GOT
27:41 - 27 LETTERS AND 140 E-MAILS THIS
27:45 - WEEK."
27:46 - AND, YOU KNOW, SO, THEY'D GET --
27:47 - AND I WOULD LOOK AT THE LIST.
27:49 - AND I WOULD REQUEST, IF I WAS
27:51 - INTERESTED IN WHAT PEOPLE WERE
27:53 - SAYING -- WHY THEY WERE SAYING
27:55 - IT -- I WOULD REQUEST THAT THEY
27:57 - GIVE ME SAMPLES.
27:58 - AND I WOULD READ SAMPLES.
27:59 - SO, LET'S SAY, THE BLACK FLY --
28:01 - I READ SEVEN LETTERS THAT WEEK.
28:03 - AND -- YES.
28:05 - DID I CHANGE MY MIND SOLELY
28:07 - BASED ON MAIL?
28:08 - NO, BUT I THINK I MIGHT HAVE
28:11 - MODERATED WHAT I WANTED TO DO ON
28:14 - A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS BECAUSE OF
28:17 - LETTERS I GOT.
28:18 - >> DID YOU EVER CHANGE YOUR MIND
28:19 - BASED ON SOMETHING YOU READ IN
28:21 - THE PAPER THAT A REPORTER HAD
28:22 - WRITTEN?
28:23 - >> YEAH, I THINK NOT SO MUCH IN
28:27 - A COLUMN BY A REPORTER, BY A
28:30 - COLUMNIST, BUT IF A REPORTER
28:32 - WROTE A COLUMN THAT HAD FACTS IN
28:34 - IT, I WOULD OFTEN SAY TO MY
28:36 - STAFF, "CHECK OUT THAT FACT."
28:39 - AND IF THERE WERE FACTS THAT
28:41 - WENT AGAINST THE THEORY THAT I
28:44 - WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND IT
28:46 - TURNED OUT THAT THOSE FACTS WERE
28:48 - LEGITIMATE, OFTEN, AGAIN, I
28:50 - WOULD MODIFY MY APPROACH.
28:51 - I READ CONSTANTLY.
28:52 - I READ -- NOW, DID I READ EVERY
28:54 - WORD OF EVERY ARTICLE WRITTEN
28:56 - AROUND THE STATE?
28:57 - OF COURSE NOT.
28:58 - BUT I GOT CLIPS AND SUMMARIES,
29:01 - AGAIN, OF ARTICLES.
29:02 - AND THEN I WOULD -- THEY'D SAY,
29:05 - "IN THE ERIE TIMES, THERE WAS AN
29:08 - EDITORIAL ON TRANSPORTATION
29:10 - FUNDING SAYING THAT WE SPENT TOO
29:13 - MUCH OR THE PROGRAM'S NOT RUN
29:15 - WELL."
29:16 - I'D SAY, "GET ME THAT
29:17 - EDITORIAL."
29:18 - AND I WOULD READ IT, AND IF I
29:19 - DISAGREED WITH IT, I'D OFTEN
29:21 - WRITE A LETTER.
29:22 - AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD OFTEN
29:23 - RESPOND TO EDITORIALS STATEWIDE.
29:25 - AND IF A REPORTER HAD FACTS
29:27 - WRONG, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT
29:28 - UNCOMMON FOR ME TO PICK UP THE
29:30 - PHONE AND CALL THE REPORTER.
29:32 - THEY SAID I WOULD YELL AT THEM.
29:33 - I DON'T THINK I EVER YELLED AT
29:35 - THEM -- MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE.
29:36 - BUT I WOULD ALWAYS POINT OUT
29:38 - THAT THEY WERE WRONG, TRYING TO
29:40 - GET THEM TO WRITE THE CORRECT
29:42 - FACTS.
29:43 - >> ARE THERE REPORTERS YOU HAD A
29:44 - GOOD RAPPORT WITH, WHO YOU COULD
29:45 - CALL UP AND LIKE FEED A STORY
29:47 - TO?
29:49 - >> WELL, I DIDN'T PICK AND
29:52 - CHOOSE FAVORITES BECAUSE I
29:54 - UNDERSTOOD FROM MY TIME AS MAYOR
29:57 - REPORTERS HAVE A JOB TO DO.
29:59 - AND YOU CAN NEVER TRULY BE
30:01 - FRIENDS WITH A REPORTER.
30:03 - THERE CAN BE REPORTERS THAT YOU
30:05 - HAVE A NICE RELATIONSHIP WITH,
30:07 - BUT IF YOU THINK THAT SOME
30:09 - REPORTER IS GONNA PROTECT YOU
30:11 - 'CAUSE THEY'RE YOUR FRIEND,
30:12 - YOU'RE CRAZY.
30:13 - AND THEY SHOULDN'T BECAUSE IT'S
30:15 - THEIR JOB TO REPORT WHAT THEY
30:17 - BELIEVE ARE THE FACTS.
30:18 - SO, I WOULD OFTEN CALL REPORTERS
30:21 - WHO I KNEW SPECIALIZED IN
30:23 - SOMETHING.
30:24 - SO, THE INQUIRER HAD A GREAT
30:26 - REPORTER ON EDUCATION --
30:27 - DALE MEZZACAPPA.
30:28 - AND WHEN I HAD SOMETHING I
30:30 - WANTED TO SAY ABOUT EDUCATION, I
30:33 - WOULD OFTEN GIVE HER THE STORY.
30:35 - AND THE SAME WOULD BE TRUE ON
30:37 - OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW?
30:38 - THERE WERE REPORTERS WHO, YOU
30:40 - KNOW, HAD SWEET SPOTS FOR
30:42 - CERTAIN THINGS, AND I WOULD TRY
30:44 - TO GO AND TALK TO THEM.
30:45 - AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WAS
30:47 - JOHN BAER...
30:48 - >> [ CHUCKLES ]
30:49 - >> ...JOHN BAER, WHO, IF I HAD
30:51 - CAUSED THE SUSQUEHANNA TO PART
30:53 - AND WALKED ACROSS THE
30:55 - SUSQUEHANNA FROM THE WEST BANK
30:57 - TO THE EAST BANK, JOHN WOULD
30:59 - HAVE FOUND SOME REASON TO
31:01 - CRITICIZE ME.
31:02 - >> [ CHUCKLES ]
31:02 - >> AND NOT JUST ME -- CRITICIZE
31:04 - EVERYONE.
31:05 - I WANT TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH -- WE
31:07 - ALL WANT TO LIVE LONG AND
31:08 - FRUITFUL LIVES.
31:09 - I WANT TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO
31:11 - SEE JOHN BAER WRITE A COLUMN
31:13 - COMPLIMENTING SOME ELECTED
31:15 - OFFICIAL -- ANYWHERE IN THE
31:16 - WORLD -- A UKRAINIAN ELECTED
31:18 - OFFICIAL, A WEST AFRICAN ELECTED
31:20 - OFFICIAL -- ANYWHERE.
31:23 - >> GETTING BACK TO THE STIMULUS,
31:24 - YOU USED SOME OF THE STIMULUS
31:26 - MONEY FOR EDUCATION?
31:27 - >> OH, YEAH.
31:29 - LOOK, THE THEORY OF STIMULUS,
31:31 - WHY IT GAVE MONEY TO EDUCATION,
31:33 - WAS A VERY GOOD THEORY.
31:35 - THE THEORY WAS, REVENUE FOR
31:38 - STATES WENT DOWN THE TOILET WITH
31:42 - THE CRASH IN 2007, '08, AND '09
31:45 - AND '10.
31:46 - AND THE STIMULUS WAS GONNA GIVE
31:48 - US MONEY FOR EDUCATION -- SO WE
31:50 - DIDN'T HAVE TO LAY OFF TEACHERS
31:51 - OR LAY OFF SCHOOL NURSES OR
31:54 - MUSIC PROFESSORS OR WHATEVER --
31:58 - UNTIL REVENUE RECOVERED.
32:00 - AND THE STIMULUS WORKED TO A
32:02 - "T."
32:04 - THE INTERESTING THING IS -- AND
32:06 - I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH
32:07 - EDITORIAL WRITERS RECENTLY
32:09 - BECAUSE GOVERNOR CORBETT'S
32:11 - BUDGET SECRETARY KEEPS SAYING
32:13 - THAT THEY INHERITED A
32:14 - $4.2-BILLION DEFICIT.
32:16 - NOT TRUE, AND IN FACT, IN THEIR
32:18 - OWN BUDGET BOOK, THEIR FIRST
32:19 - YEAR THAT THEY SUBMITTED A
32:21 - BUDGET BOOK, IT SHOWED A
32:22 - $1.1-BILLION SURPLUS.
32:24 - WE LEFT THEM WITH A SURPLUS.
32:26 - THE FEDERAL FUNDS LEFT.
32:29 - BUT THE GOOD NEWS WAS, IF YOU
32:31 - LOOK AT THE STATE REVENUE, 2008
32:34 - WAS THE LOW -- THE RECESSION HIT
32:37 - IN LATE 2007 AND REALLY HIT IN
32:40 - 2008.
32:40 - 2008 WAS THE NADIR FOR STATE
32:43 - REVENUE.
32:45 - BY 2011, REVENUE HAD RECOVERED
32:48 - TO 2007 LEVELS.
32:50 - SO, THE STIMULUS GIVING MONEY
32:52 - FOR EDUCATION WORKED.
32:54 - IT WAS TO BE A BRIDGE, A BRIDGE
32:56 - TO ALLOW US TO GET FROM THE
33:00 - DEPTHS OF THE DEPRESSION TO WHEN
33:02 - THERE WAS A RECOVERY STARTING TO
33:04 - COME.
33:04 - AND PENNSYLVANIA HAD RECOVERED
33:06 - ITS FULL REVENUE.
33:07 - SO -- AND BY THE WAY, I LIKE
33:09 - GOVERNOR CORBETT, AND AS YOU
33:10 - KNOW, I'VE PRETTY MUCH REFRAINED
33:12 - FROM CRITICIZING HIM DURING HIS
33:14 - FIRST TERM BECAUSE I BELIEVE
33:16 - THAT A GOVERNOR SHOULDN'T GET
33:18 - INTO THAT AND ALSO 'CAUSE I LIKE
33:19 - HIM AS A PERSON.
33:21 - BUT WHEN HIS PEOPLE TRY TO SAY
33:23 - THAT HE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO CUT
33:26 - EDUCATION FUNDING, HE HAD A
33:28 - PERFECT CHOICE.
33:29 - HE CUT BUSINESS TAXES THAT FIRST
33:33 - YEAR BY $500 MILLION.
33:35 - AND HE ENDED THE YEAR WITH A
33:37 - $600-MILLION SURPLUS.
33:40 - WELL, THAT'S $1.1 BILLION.
33:42 - HE CUT $1 BILLION FROM
33:43 - EDUCATION.
33:44 - HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.
33:45 - BUSINESSES DIDN'T NEED THAT TAX
33:47 - CUT.
33:48 - AND THINK ABOUT IT.
33:49 - WHEN I BECAME GOVERNOR,
33:51 - GOVERNOR RIDGE HAD CUT THE
33:53 - CORPORATE STOCK AND FRANCHISE
33:55 - TAX EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST FIVE
33:58 - YEARS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION.
34:00 - I PLEDGED TO DO THE SAME.
34:02 - AND FOR MY FIRST SIX YEARS AS
34:04 - GOVERNOR, WE HAD A CUT IN THE
34:06 - CORPORATE STOCK AND FRANCHISE
34:07 - TAX.
34:08 - WE WERE PHASING IT OUT OF
34:10 - EXISTENCE.
34:11 - BUT WHEN THE RECESSION HIT, I
34:13 - FROZE THE CUTS.
34:14 - WE DIDN'T RAISE BUSINESS TAXES,
34:16 - BUT WE DIDN'T CUT THEM IN 2009
34:18 - AND 2010'S BUDGET.
34:20 - AND HAD GOVERNOR CORBETT JUST
34:21 - CONTINUED TO FREEZE THE CUTS TO
34:23 - ALLOW THE RECOVERY TO TAKE HOLD,
34:25 - HE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE THAN
34:26 - ENOUGH MONEY TO NOT TAKE A DIME
34:28 - OUT OF EDUCATION.
34:29 - AND THAT'S THE FALLACY.
34:31 - AND MR. ZOGBY JUST -- HE
34:33 - MISLEADS PEOPLE BRUTALLY WHEN HE
34:36 - SAID THEY HAD A $4.2-BILLION
34:39 - DEFICIT.
34:40 - CHECK THE BUDGET BOOK.
34:42 - AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN NOW AT
34:44 - THIS POINT INTERSECT THE BUDGET
34:47 - BOOK FOR THE FIRST -- IT SAYS
34:49 - "CARRYOVER -- $1.1 BILLION."
34:52 - THAT'S WHAT WE LEFT THEM, A
34:54 - SURPLUS OF $1.1 BILLION.
34:56 - >> THE ARGUMENT THE REPUBLICANS
34:58 - GIVE IS, WHEN THE STIMULUS MONEY
35:00 - WENT AWAY, THEY CONTINUED TO
35:01 - FUND EDUCATION FROM THE STATE'S
35:03 - MONEY AT THE LEVEL OR GREATER
35:05 - THAN BEFORE, BUT WITHOUT THE
35:07 - STIMULUS MONEY.
35:08 - >> THEY CUT $1.1 BILLION FROM
35:10 - EDUCATION IN STATE FUNDS.
35:13 - AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO.
35:15 - THAT'S ALL GIBBERISH BECAUSE --
35:17 - AGAIN, LET ME REPEAT.
35:19 - THEY CUT BUSINESS TAXES BY $500
35:21 - MILLION.
35:22 - THEY ENDED THAT YEAR -- WE LEFT
35:24 - THEM WITH A $1.1-BILLION
35:25 - SURPLUS.
35:26 - THEY ENDED THEIR FIRST FISCAL
35:27 - YEAR WITH A $646-MILLION
35:31 - SURPLUS.
35:31 - ADD $500 BILLION IN BUSINESS TAX
35:35 - CUTS, $600 BILLION IN SURPLUS.
35:39 - THAT'S $1.1 BILLION.
35:40 - THEY CUT $1.1 BILLION OUT OF
35:43 - EDUCATION FUNDING.
35:45 - THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO.
35:46 - FORGET WHETHER IT WAS FEDERAL
35:47 - FUNDS OR STATE FUNDS.
35:48 - THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO.
35:49 - BUT THE GOVERNOR WANTED TO GIVE
35:51 - BUSINESS TAX CUTS 'CAUSE HE SAID
35:53 - THAT WAS GONNA SUPERCHARGE THE
35:55 - PENNSYLVANIA ECONOMY.
35:57 - WELL, MY LAST YEAR IN OFFICE, WE
35:59 - WERE NINTH-FASTEST STATE IN JOB
36:02 - CREATION.
36:03 - AND I THINK LAST YEAR, IN 2013,
36:07 - PENNSYLVANIA WAS EITHER 47th OR
36:09 - 47th.
36:10 - AND THIS IS UNITED STATES
36:12 - DEPARTMENT OF LABOR STATISTICS.
36:14 - AND AS CASEY STENGEL SAID, YOU
36:15 - CAN LOOK IT UP.
36:16 - SO, ALL THOSE BUSINESS TAX CUTS
36:18 - DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US,
36:20 - DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US.
36:22 - >> OH, WE DIDN'T TALK YET ABOUT
36:24 - THE ENVIRONMENT DURING YOUR TERM
36:25 - AS GOVERNOR, AND KATIE McGINTY
36:27 - WAS YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL
36:28 - SECRETARY.
36:29 - AND YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH TWO
36:30 - INDUSTRIES, THE MARCELLUS SHALE,
36:31 - WHICH WAS JUST COMING ALONG, AND
36:33 - THE COAL INDUSTRY.
36:34 - AND CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO
36:36 - INDUSTRIES, THEIR IMPORTANCE TO
36:37 - PENNSYLVANIA ECONOMICALLY, AND
36:39 - HOW YOU BALANCE THE
36:40 - ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS?
36:41 - >> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING.
36:43 - THIS IS A QUESTION THAT NEEDS
36:45 - CONSTANT RESOLUTION, AND IF
36:47 - TOM WOLF WINS THE ELECTION,
36:49 - HE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
36:50 - AND THAT'S THE PUSH BETWEEN A
36:53 - CLEANER AND SAFER ENVIRONMENT
36:56 - AND ENERGY PRODUCTION.
36:58 - AND YOU CAN HAVE BOTH.
37:00 - I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON PROVED
37:02 - THAT DURING HIS EIGHT YEARS AS
37:04 - PRESIDENT, AND I THINK WE PROVED
37:06 - THAT DURING MY EIGHT YEARS AS
37:07 - GOVERNOR.
37:08 - ON THE ONE HAND, WE PUT IN
37:11 - HIGHER STANDARDS FOR WHAT
37:13 - COAL-BURNING PLANTS COULD DO FOR
37:17 - AIR QUALITY.
37:18 - THOSE HIGHER STANDARD HELP
37:20 - SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE RATE OF
37:21 - CHILDHOOD ASTHMA.
37:23 - BUT AT THE OTHER HAND, WE
37:24 - SUPPORTED THE COAL INDUSTRY
37:26 - WELL, WE STOOD BY IT, AND I WAS
37:28 - ONE OF THE MAIN NATIONAL
37:30 - PROPONENTS OF CLEAN COAL.
37:32 - NOW, THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS
37:34 - INCORRECTLY SAY CLEAN COAL IS AN
37:36 - OXYMORON.
37:37 - IT ISN'T.
37:39 - WHERE COAL IS BAD FOR THE
37:41 - ENVIRONMENT IS THAT IT PRODUCES
37:42 - CARBON AND SENDS CARBON INTO THE
37:44 - AIR.
37:45 - BUT THERE'S A PROCESS WHERE YOU
37:47 - CAN CAPTURE CARBON DURING THE
37:49 - COAL-BURNING PROCESS.
37:50 - WE KNOW HOW TO CAPTURE IT.
37:52 - AND WE KNOW HOW TO SEQUESTER IT.
37:54 - YOU CAN SEQUESTER IT BY PUTTING
37:56 - IT IN DEEP OIL WELLS THAT ARE
37:58 - DEFUNCT, IN COAL MINES THAT ARE
38:00 - DEFUNCT.
38:00 - YOU CAN CAPTURE AND SEQUESTER
38:03 - CARBON.
38:04 - THE PROBLEM IS, WE DON'T HAVE
38:05 - THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO IT AT A
38:07 - PRICE THAT'S ANYWHERE NEAR
38:08 - AFFORDABLE.
38:09 - PRESIDENT BUSH, TO HIS CREDIT,
38:12 - HAD A PLAN IN ONE OF HIS BUDGETS
38:15 - CALLED NEXT GENERATION COAL.
38:18 - AND HE OFFERED -- IT WAS A
38:20 - DEMONSTRATION PROJECT, AND HE
38:22 - OFFERED MONEY TO THE STATES --
38:24 - TO THE STATE WHO HAD THE BEST
38:26 - APPLICATION.
38:27 - AND WE DIDN'T -- IT WAS BEFORE I
38:29 - BECAME GOVERNOR.
38:30 - ILLINOIS HAD THE BEST
38:31 - APPLICATION, AND ILLINOIS WAS
38:33 - GRANTED $4.7 BILLION TO TRY TO
38:36 - DEVELOP THIS CLEAN-COAL
38:38 - TECHNOLOGY, TO FIND A WAY TO
38:40 - CAPTURE AND SEQUESTER THE CARBON
38:42 - IN AN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE
38:45 - FASHION.
38:45 - BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN THE WAR
38:48 - CAME, THERE WAS NO MONEY, AND
38:50 - PRESIDENT BUSH WITHDREW THE
38:52 - FUNDING.
38:53 - SO NOTHING WENT ANYWHERE.
38:55 - AND I BEGGED THE OBAMA
38:56 - ADMINISTRATION -- AND IF THERE
38:58 - IS A HILLARY CLINTON
38:59 - ADMINISTRATION OR A JEB BUSH OR
39:03 - RAND PAUL ADMINISTRATION, I'LL
39:04 - BE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR, SAYING,
39:06 - "FUND THAT DEMONSTRATION PROJECT
39:09 - BECAUSE THAT'S THE KEY."
39:10 - IF WE COULD EVER FIND A WAY TO
39:13 - CAPTURE AND THEN SEQUESTER THE
39:15 - CARBON FROM THE COAL-BURNING
39:17 - PROCESS IN AN ECONOMICALLY
39:19 - FEASIBLE WAY, WE'RE THE
39:21 - SAUDI ARABIA OF COAL.
39:22 - AND PUT THAT TOGETHER WITH OUR
39:24 - NATURAL-GAS AND OIL RESERVES
39:26 - THAT WE FOUND BECAUSE OF DEEP
39:28 - SHALE DRILLING, WE'D BE THE
39:30 - NUMBER-ONE ENERGY-PRODUCING
39:32 - COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, LEAVING
39:34 - SAUDI ARABIA AND EVERYONE ELSE
39:35 - IN OUR SMOKE.
39:36 - AND THAT WOULD DO WONDERS FOR
39:37 - THE U.S. ECONOMY AND THE
39:39 - PENNSYLVANIA ECONOMY.
39:40 - SO, I WAS ALWAYS SUPPORTED BY
39:42 - THE COAL INDUSTRY AND BY THE
39:44 - COAL MINERS BECAUSE I WAS
39:46 - SUPPORTIVE OF COAL, EVEN THOUGH
39:49 - WE WANTED THEM TO DO MORE
39:50 - SCRUBBING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT
39:52 - OF EMISSION THAT CAME OUT.
39:54 - NOW, SHALE -- INTERESTING.
39:58 - WHEN THE SHALE TECHNOLOGY
40:00 - ARRIVED -- AND OUR VIEWERS WHO
40:03 - DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS -- NATURAL
40:05 - GAS AND OIL HAD BEEN DRILLED,
40:08 - BUT FAIRLY SHALLOW DRILLING.
40:12 - IT WENT DOWN A MILE, MAYBE A
40:14 - MILE AND A HALF, TO FIND COAL
40:16 - RESERVES OR NATURAL-GAS
40:17 - RESERVES.
40:19 - THERE WAS NEVER THE ABILITY TO
40:20 - DO DEEP, UNDERGROUND DRILLING.
40:23 - WELL, THEY DEVELOPED A PROCESS
40:26 - CALLED FRACKING, WHERE THE DRILL
40:28 - GOES DOWN AND THEN GOES SIDEWAYS
40:31 - AND CHIPS AWAY AT THE GASES
40:33 - TRAPPED IN SHALE.
40:35 - AND THIS HIGH-POWERED DRILLING
40:37 - CHIPS AWAY AT THE LOCK, TRAPPING
40:39 - THE GAS, UNLEASHING THE GAS.
40:41 - AND YOU CAN GO DOWN AS FAR AS
40:43 - NINE MILES.
40:43 - SO, IT OPENED UP HUGE RESERVES
40:45 - OF OIL -- NOT IN PENNSYLVANIA --
40:47 - THE OIL IS IN MONTANA AND
40:48 - SOUTH DAKOTA AND NORTH DAKOTA --
40:50 - BUT HUGE NATURAL-GAS RESERVES
40:52 - THAT ARE IN THE MARCELLUS SHALE.
40:54 - AND THE MARCELLUS SHALE SPANS
40:56 - SIX OR SEVEN STATES, BUT THE
40:57 - VAST -- THE MAJORITY -- THE
40:59 - BIGGEST HUNK OF THE
41:00 - MARCELLUS SHALE IS UNDER THE
41:01 - GROUND IN PENNSYLVANIA.
41:03 - SO, IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
41:05 - FOR US.
41:06 - WHEN THIS ALL HIT, IT WAS 2007.
41:09 - I HAD TWO SECRETARIES OF
41:11 - ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION DURING MY
41:13 - TIME IN OFFICE -- KATIE McGINTY,
41:15 - WHO CAME FROM THE CLINTON AND
41:17 - GORE ADMINISTRATION, AND
41:18 - JOHN HANGER, WHO WAS THE HEAD OF
41:20 - PENNSYLVANIA FUTURE.
41:22 - THEY WERE BOTH CELEBRATED
41:23 - ENVIRONMENTALISTS.
41:25 - I SAID TO THEM, "CAN THIS BE
41:27 - DONE IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE
41:29 - WAY?"
41:30 - AND THEY BOTH SAID YES.
41:32 - AND SO THE SHALE BOOM STARTED
41:34 - UNDER GOVERNOR RENDELL.
41:37 - IN 2007, WE HAD 70 PERMITS
41:40 - GRANTED FOR DEEP, UNDERGROUND
41:43 - SHALE DRILLING.
41:45 - IN MY LAST YEAR AS GOVERNOR --
41:46 - 2010 -- WE HAD 3,300.
41:49 - SO, THE SHALE BOOM -- IT
41:50 - CONTINUED TO GROW UNDER GOVERNOR
41:52 - CORBETT, BUT IT REALLY TOOK OFF
41:54 - UNDER US.
41:55 - BUT BY 2009 OR EVEN LATE 2008,
42:00 - IT BECAME APPARENT THAT WE HAD
42:03 - MADE TWO MISTAKES, THE RENDELL
42:05 - ADMINISTRATION.
42:06 - MISTAKE NUMBER ONE WAS, WE
42:08 - DIDN'T POLICE THE ACTUAL
42:10 - DRILLING VERY WELL.
42:12 - AND WHAT HAPPENED IS, THE SHALE
42:14 - INDUSTRY WOULD BRING THESE
42:16 - DRILLERS UP FROM TEXAS.
42:17 - AND A LOT OF THEM WERE, YOU
42:19 - KNOW, ROCK 'N' ROLL COWBOYS.
42:20 - AND THEY BUILT DRILLS THAT
42:22 - DIDN'T MEET THE PROPER SAFETY
42:24 - SPECIFICATIONS.
42:25 - AND THERE WOULD BE EXPLOSIONS,
42:27 - FIRES.
42:28 - YOU REMEMBER THE PICTURES OF
42:30 - FIRES IN PITTSBURGH SUBURBS AND
42:33 - OTHER PLACES?
42:34 - AND THAT'S HOW THE METHANE WOULD
42:35 - GET INTO THE GROUNDWATER.
42:37 - PEOPLE SAY, "FRACKING IS
42:38 - DANGEROUS TO THE GROUNDWATER,
42:39 - AND PENNSYLVANIA PROVES IT."
42:40 - NO, FRACKING ISN'T DANGEROUS TO
42:42 - THE GROUNDWATER.
42:43 - FRACKING'S NINE MILES BELOW, WAY
42:45 - BELOW THE WATER TABLE, MILES AND
42:46 - MILES BELOW THE WATER TABLE.
42:48 - BUT THE METHANE THAT WAS
42:52 - PRODUCED BY THESE EXPLOSIONS AND
42:54 - FIRES -- THAT GOT INTO THE
42:55 - GROUNDWATER.
42:56 - SO, WE NEEDED ACTION TO
43:00 - GUARANTEE THAT THE WELLS WOULD
43:02 - BE DRILLED AND MAINTAINED MORE
43:04 - SAFELY.
43:05 - THE SECOND MISTAKE WE MADE WAS
43:07 - IN NOT PUTTING IN PROPER
43:09 - REGULATIONS FOR THE DISPOSITION
43:11 - OF FRACK WATER.
43:12 - NOW, WHAT DO I MEAN BY "FRACK
43:14 - WATER"?
43:15 - FRACK WATER -- THE WAY THE
43:16 - DRILLING OCCURS IS, WATER IS
43:18 - PUMPED DOWN AT A VERY HIGH RATE
43:20 - OF SPEED AND THEN LATERALLY USED
43:22 - TO BREAK UP THE SHALE.
43:24 - AND AS YOU BREAK UP THE SHALE,
43:26 - ALL SORTS OF MINERALS -- SOME
43:27 - HARMLESS, SOME NOT SO
43:29 - HARMLESS -- AND SOME RESIDUE
43:31 - FROM THE NATURAL GAS GET INTO
43:33 - THE WATER.
43:34 - THE WATER GETS PUMPED UP,
43:36 - OBVIOUSLY, 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO
43:38 - CONTINUE TO PUMP IT DOWN.
43:39 - SO, THE WATER WITH FRACK
43:41 - MATERIAL IN IT AND SOME OF THE
43:43 - ROCKS GETS PUMPED UP.
43:44 - AND MOST OF THE DRILLING
43:46 - COMPANIES HOLD IT TEMPORARILY IN
43:49 - THESE POOLS, AND THEY LINE THEM
43:51 - WITH RUBBER OR LEAD SO IT
43:53 - DOESN'T GET INTO THE
43:55 - GROUNDWATER.
43:56 - AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY HAVE TO
43:57 - DISPOSE OF THE WATER.
43:58 - SO, THEY TRUCK IT AND WOULD BE
44:00 - DUMPING IT IN PENNSYLVANIA
44:02 - WATERWAYS.
44:05 - SO, WE DID TWO THINGS TO DEAL
44:07 - WITH THESE PROBLEMS.
44:08 - AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES.
44:10 - AND YOU REMEMBER THERE WAS
44:12 - "GASLAND."
44:13 - THERE WAS A DOCUMENTARY DONE
44:15 - ABOUT SHALE DRILLING IN
44:17 - PENNSYLVANIA, AND A LOT OF THE
44:19 - CHARGES IN "GASLAND" WERE
44:20 - CORRECT.
44:21 - A LOT OF THEM WERE INCORRECT AND
44:23 - OVERBLOWN, BUT THE REASON
44:24 - "GASLAND" WASN'T A VERY ACCURATE
44:26 - PICTURE IS WE PASSED TWO
44:27 - REGULATIONS.
44:28 - WE GOT THEM THROUGH THE
44:29 - LEGISLATURE, WRITTEN,
44:31 - ESSENTIALLY, BY JOHN HANGER --
44:32 - AGAIN, A NOTED
44:33 - ENVIRONMENTALIST -- ONE TO
44:36 - REQUIRE VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS
44:39 - FOR THE WAY YOU'D HAVE TO DRILL
44:41 - AND MAINTAIN -- BUILD AND
44:44 - MAINTAIN THOSE DRILLING
44:45 - APPARATUS, AND THAT
44:47 - ELIMINATED -- THERE HASN'T BEEN
44:49 - AN EXPLOSION OR A FIRE SINCE.
44:51 - SECONDLY, WE SAID, "IF YOU'RE
44:54 - DISPOSING OF A FRACK WATER IN A
44:56 - PENNSYLVANIA WATERWAY, YOU HAVE
44:58 - TO CLEAN IT FIRST TO THE
45:00 - STANDARDS OF THE SAFE DRINKING
45:03 - WATER ACT."
45:04 - SO, THAT WATER, BEFORE IT'S
45:05 - DUMPED INTO A PENNSYLVANIA RIVER
45:07 - OR STREAM, HAS TO BE CLEAN
45:09 - ENOUGH THAT IT PASSES FEDERAL
45:10 - STANDARDS TO BE ABLE TO DRINK
45:12 - IT.
45:12 - AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVEN'T HAD
45:14 - ANY REAL PROBLEM WITH THE
45:15 - GROUNDWATER.
45:16 - SO, YES, I THINK SHALE
45:17 - DRILLING -- IT'S BEEN A HUGE
45:19 - BOOM TO THE PENNSYLVANIA
45:21 - ECONOMY.
45:22 - THERE'S A PENN STATE STUDY THAT
45:24 - SAYS IT'S PRODUCED A LOT OF
45:25 - JOBS.
45:26 - IT'S OVERBLOWN.
45:28 - BUT MY GUESS IS, IT'S PRODUCED,
45:30 - DIRECT AND INDIRECT, PROBABLY
45:31 - 80,000 JOBS IN PENNSYLVANIA --
45:33 - AND WELL-PAYING JOBS, AND NOT
45:36 - ONLY JOBS IN THE ACTUAL
45:38 - DRILLING -- JOBS IN TRUCKING THE
45:41 - FRACK WATER AND THE GAS OUT --
45:44 - BUT JOBS IN PIPELINE
45:46 - CONSTRUCTION AND JOBS IN, FOR
45:48 - EXAMPLE, U.S. STEEL.
45:50 - ONE OF THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF
45:52 - SHALE DRILLING WAS JOHN SURMA,
45:53 - WHO, DURING MY TIME AS GOVERNOR,
45:55 - WAS THE C.E.O. OF U.S. STEEL.
45:57 - WHY?
45:58 - BECAUSE ALL THOSE DRILLS USE
46:00 - STEEL, AND THE STEEL WAS USUALLY
46:02 - MADE BY U.S. STEEL.
46:03 - SO, IT CREATED A LOT OF GOOD,
46:06 - WELL-PAYING JOBS AROUND THE
46:08 - COMMONWEALTH.
46:09 - IT'S A SOURCE OF TREMENDOUS
46:11 - WEALTH.
46:12 - FARMERS -- PARTICULARLY FARMERS
46:14 - IN THE NORTHERN TIER OF
46:15 - PENNSYLVANIA -- WHO THOUGHT THAT
46:17 - THEY WERE GONNA DIE POOR -- ALL
46:19 - OF A SUDDEN, THEY'RE GETTING
46:20 - ROYALTIES FOR ALLOWING DRILLING
46:22 - ON THEIR PRIVATE LAND.
46:23 - AND SO THEY'RE NOT ONLY NOT
46:25 - DYING POOR.
46:26 - THEY'RE DYING -- IF THEY DIE,
46:28 - THEY DIE WELL OFF, AND THEY CAN
46:29 - GIVE THOSE ROYALTIES TO THEIR
46:31 - CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT
46:33 - COMES THEIR TIME.
46:34 - SO, IT'S DONE A LOT FOR
46:36 - PENNSYLVANIA ON THE POSITIVE
46:37 - SIDE, AND ENVIRONMENTALLY, THERE
46:39 - ARE CHALLENGES, BUT THOSE
46:41 - CHALLENGES CAN BE COPED WITH.
46:43 - AND THE TRUTH IS -- AND I TELL
46:44 - PEOPLE THIS ALL THE TIME --
46:46 - THERE IS NO FORM OF ENERGY
46:48 - PRODUCTION THAT DOESN'T HAVE
46:49 - SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES.
46:51 - AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE --
46:54 - WIND.
46:55 - NOW, WIND PRODUCES NO POLLUTION,
46:57 - ZERO POLLUTION.
46:59 - SO DOES NUCLEAR PRODUCE ZERO
47:01 - POLLUTION.
47:02 - BUT NUCLEAR HAS THE POTENTIAL
47:04 - FOR REAL HARM.
47:06 - WIND HAS NO POTENTIAL FOR REAL
47:07 - HARM, SO WHO COULD BE AGAINST
47:09 - WIND?
47:09 - WELL, LET ME TELL YOU.
47:11 - THE SIERRA CLUB IN PENNSYLVANIA
47:13 - WAS INITIALLY AGAINST WIND.
47:15 - WHY?
47:15 - BECAUSE THE BLADES THAT ARE
47:17 - NECESSARY -- AND THEY ARE HUGE.
47:19 - WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THEM, YOU
47:20 - DON'T EVEN GET AN IDEA OF THE
47:22 - SCOPE OF THEM.
47:23 - BUT I'VE BEEN IN FACTORIES WHERE
47:25 - THEY'RE PRODUCED.
47:26 - THEY'RE 65, 70 FEET LONG, THE
47:28 - BLADES.
47:28 - THOSE BLADES HAVE A TENDENCY TO
47:30 - KILL BIRDS.
47:32 - AND WE'RE WORKING ON TECHNIQUES
47:35 - THROUGH SOUND, MAYBE SONAR, TO
47:37 - SCARE AWAY THE BIRDS, BUT THERE
47:40 - IS DAMAGE TO BIRDS, ALTHOUGH I
47:43 - FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT
47:45 - THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT
47:46 - THERE IS DAMAGE FOR BIRDS.
47:47 - THE REASON I FOUND IT HARD TO
47:48 - BELIEVE IS -- WHEN FRANK RIZZO
47:51 - WAS THE MAYOR OF PHILADELPHIA,
47:54 - THE NATION OF CANADA GAVE
47:56 - PHILADELPHIA 1,000 CANADIAN
47:59 - GEESE.
48:00 - AND FRANK RIZZO CHOSE TO HAVE
48:02 - THEM ON WHAT WE CALLED THEN THE
48:03 - EAST RIVER DRIVE.
48:04 - IT'S NOW THE KELLY DRIVE.
48:06 - AND THE CANADIAN GEESE HAVE BEEN
48:08 - WITH US EVER SINCE.
48:09 - AND THEY PROPAGATE ON THE SAME
48:13 - 1,500-YARD STRETCH OF
48:17 - KELLY DRIVE.
48:18 - I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE
48:20 - THEY ARE.
48:21 - IN FACT, I SAW THEM DRIVING HOME
48:22 - YESTERDAY.
48:23 - AND THE CANADIAN GEESE IN
48:26 - NOVEMBER, RIGHT AROUND
48:28 - THANKSGIVING, THEY LEAVE US.
48:30 - THEY GO DOWN SOUTH.
48:31 - THEY GO TO SOUTH CAROLINA.
48:32 - THEY GO TO FLORIDA.
48:34 - THEY GO TO ESCAPE THE COLD
48:35 - WEATHER.
48:36 - AND IN APRIL, THEY COME BACK.
48:38 - SO, THEY FLY A COUPLE OF
48:40 - THOUSAND MILES AND FIND THEIR
48:43 - WAY BACK TO THE SAME 1,000 YARDS
48:45 - OF GROUND.
48:46 - SO, TELL ME WHY BIRDS CAN'T
48:49 - AVOID THESE HUGE BLADES.
48:51 - WHAT, DO THEY FLY WITH THEIR
48:53 - EYES CLOSED?
48:53 - BUT IN A SENSE, OF COURSE, WE'RE
48:58 - TRYING TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY
48:59 - THAT WILL DEAL WITH THAT.
49:00 - WHY DON'T WE HAVE HYDRO?
49:02 - CANADA GETS 60% OF ITS
49:04 - ELECTRICITY FROM HYDRO -- WATER,
49:07 - NO POLLUTION.
49:09 - AND WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF A
49:11 - DAM BREAKING, ALMOST NO
49:12 - POSSIBILITY FOR ANY GREAT
49:14 - TRAGEDIES LIKE WITH NUCLEAR.
49:16 - ONLY 7% OF AMERICAN ELECTRICITY
49:18 - COMES FROM HYDRO.
49:19 - WHY?
49:20 - BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS
49:22 - HAVE BLOCKED HYDRO BECAUSE OF
49:24 - DAMAGE TO AQUAMARINE LIFE.
49:27 - AND IT'S TRUE.
49:28 - THE HYDRO -- THE BLADES WILL
49:30 - KILL FISH, BUT THERE'S
49:32 - TECHNOLOGY NOW CALLED FISH
49:34 - LADDERS THAT ALLOW THE FISH TO
49:36 - BE DIVERTED IN A WAY THAT THEY
49:38 - DON'T RUN INTO THE BLADES.
49:40 - AND WITH THE FISH-LADDER
49:41 - TECHNOLOGY, MY LAST YEAR AS
49:43 - GOVERNOR, WE AUTHORIZED THE
49:45 - EXPANSION OF A HYDRO PLANT THAT
49:46 - PPL HAD.
49:47 - THEY WANTED TO EXPAND IT, AND WE
49:49 - GAVE THEM A PERMIT TO DO SO.
49:51 - SO, WE SHOULD BE USING HYDRO
49:53 - MORE IN THE U.S.
49:54 - BUT MY POINT IN ALL THIS THAT
49:57 - THERE IS NO SOURCE OF ENERGY
49:59 - KNOWN TO THIS WORLD THAT DOESN'T
50:02 - HAVE SOME DOWNSIDE.
50:06 - SO, EVERYONE SAYS, "WELL, THE
50:07 - ELECTRIC CAR IS THE ANSWER.
50:09 - IT'S TOTALLY POLLUTION-FREE."
50:11 - HOW DO WE GET THE ELECTRICITY?
50:13 - MOST ELECTRICITY IN THIS COUNTRY
50:15 - STILL COMES FROM COAL BURNING.
50:17 - SO, WHO ARE WE KIDDING?
50:19 - SO, THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS
50:21 - TRY TO MITIGATE THE DAMAGE AND
50:23 - LESSEN IT AND CONTROL IT, THE
50:25 - DAMAGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT FROM
50:27 - ENERGY PRODUCTION.
50:28 - AND WE HAVE IN MANY WAYS.
50:29 - AND WIND AND SOLAR ARE GREAT.
50:31 - AND ALTERNATIVE FUELS ARE GREAT,
50:33 - AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE
50:35 - CAN DO AND ARE DOING.
50:36 - AND, YES, SHALE AND COAL --
50:38 - PARTICULARLY SHALE GAS -- CAN BE
50:41 - PRODUCED ENVIRONMENTALLY
50:42 - SOUNDLY.
50:43 - AND COAL -- WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON
50:45 - THAT TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE WE CAN'T
50:47 - LEAVE ALL OF THAT ENERGY BURIED
50:49 - UNDER THE GROUND AND NOT USED,
50:50 - IN MY JUDGMENT.
50:51 - >> WHEN YOU WERE GOVERNOR, HOW
50:53 - OFTEN DID AN ISSUE COME ALONG
50:54 - THAT YOU NEVER THOUGHT IN YOUR
50:56 - WILDEST IMAGINATION YOU WOULD
50:57 - EVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH?
50:59 - >> RARELY -- NOT JUST BASED ON
51:01 - MY BACKGROUND AS MAYOR BECAUSE,
51:03 - AS MAYOR, YOU DEAL WITH MANY
51:05 - ISSUES THAT ARE THE SAME IN
51:07 - STATE GOVERNMENT -- POLICING AND
51:10 - THE BUDGET AND JOB CREATION AND
51:12 - ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES.
51:14 - BUT YOU DON'T DEAL WITH SOME
51:16 - ISSUES, LIKE AGRICULTURE, FOR
51:17 - EXAMPLE, OR THE NATIONAL GUARD.
51:21 - YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR DOESN'T --
51:23 - BUT IN THE CAMPAIGN, I STUDIED
51:25 - VERY, VERY HARD, AND I LEARNED
51:27 - ALL THOSE ISSUES.
51:29 - AND WHEN I WOULD GO AS A
51:30 - CANDIDATE IN FRONT OF
51:31 - AGRICULTURAL GROUPS, I'D SAY,
51:32 - "LOOK, I'M THE MAYOR OF
51:34 - PHILADELPHIA.
51:35 - I'M NOT GONNA WEAR OVERALLS AND
51:37 - STAND IN FRONT OF A BALE OF HAY
51:39 - AND TRY TO DECEIVE YOU.
51:40 - I'M A BIG-CITY GUY.
51:42 - BUT I WORKED HARD AND I THINK I
51:43 - KNOW YOUR ISSUES AND I'M GONNA
51:45 - CONTINUE TO LEARN EVERY YEAR I'M
51:46 - GOVERNOR."
51:47 - AND I DID.
51:47 - AND I CONTINUED THAT LEARNING
51:49 - PROCESS.
51:50 - BUT THE ONE THING THAT SURPRISED
51:52 - ME MOST, BRIAN -- AND IT'S
51:53 - INTERESTING THAT YOU ASKED THAT
51:55 - QUESTION.
51:56 - I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I'D BE SO
51:58 - INVOLVED AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF
52:00 - OF THE
52:01 - PENNSYLVANIA NATIONAL GUARD.
52:03 - I KNEW THAT THE GUARD WAS USED
52:04 - TO HELP OUT WHEN THERE'S BAD
52:06 - SNOW OR WHEN THERE'S FLOODS.
52:08 - AND WE HAD PLENTY OF THAT.
52:09 - WE HAD THREE HURRICANES THAT
52:11 - WHIPPED INTO PENNSYLVANIA,
52:13 - INCLUDING IVAN, TREMENDOUS
52:14 - FLOODING, AND I HAD TO DEPLOY
52:16 - THE GUARD MANY, MANY TIMES.
52:18 - WE HAD SNOWSTORMS, INCLUDING THE
52:20 - FAMOUS ONE THAT CLOSED DOWN 22
52:22 - AND 78, WHERE NO ONE TOLD ME
52:24 - THAT ALL THOSE CARS WERE STUCK
52:27 - UNTIL SIX HOURS LATER.
52:28 - AND I IMMEDIATELY SENT OUT THE
52:33 - GUARD.
52:34 - ONLY THE GOVERNOR CAN DO THAT.
52:35 - AND THE GUARD CAME AND REALLY
52:37 - HELPED GET PEOPLE OUT OF
52:38 - TROUBLE.
52:40 - SO, I KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE
52:42 - PART OF MY JOB -- FLOODS AND
52:43 - SNOWSTORMS AND MAYBE
52:45 - OCCASIONALLY UNREST.
52:46 - AND AS YOU KNOW, WE USED THE
52:48 - GUARDS TO HELP HARRISBURG PATROL
52:50 - THE STREETS WHEN THEY WERE
52:51 - HAVING THAT MURDER PROBLEM, AND
52:53 - THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY OF
52:55 - COATESVILLE AND OTHER CITIES.
52:57 - BUT WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA
52:59 - IT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT, AS
53:01 - COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE GUARD,
53:03 - I WOULD SEE THE GUARD
53:04 - FEDERALIZED TO BE SENT IN TO
53:08 - AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.
53:10 - AND ONE OF MY DUTIES AS THE
53:13 - COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE GUARD
53:15 - WAS TO CALL FAMILIES, WIVES,
53:17 - HUSBANDS, FATHERS, MOTHERS,
53:20 - SONS, AND DAUGHTERS OF SLAIN
53:23 - GUARDSMEN.
53:24 - DURING MY TIME AS GOVERNOR, 45
53:27 - GUARDSMEN -- ONE WOMAN AND 44
53:29 - MEN -- WERE KILLED IN
53:31 - AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.
53:33 - AND I HAD TO GO TO MOST OF THEIR
53:35 - FUNERALS, AND I HAD TO SPEAK TO
53:37 - THE FAMILIES THE DAY AFTER.
53:38 - AND, YOU KNOW, I'M HARDLY EVER
53:41 - AT A LOSS FOR WORDS, BUT, BOY,
53:43 - IT WAS SO TOUGH TRYING TO GIVE
53:45 - THE FAMILIES SOME LEVEL OF
53:47 - CONSOLATION FOR WHY THEIR SON OR
53:50 - DAUGHTER HAD DIED.
53:51 - AND I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I'D
53:53 - HAVE TO DO THAT.
53:54 - I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD, NOR DID
53:57 - I THINK WE'D GET INTO A BATTLE.
53:59 - WE HAD ONE OF THE MOST
54:01 - INTERESTING CASES, FROM A
54:02 - CONSTITUTIONAL-LAW STANDPOINT,
54:04 - WHEN THE BRAC -- THE FEDERAL
54:07 - BASE CLOSURE COMMISSION --
54:09 - ORDERED THE BASE AT WILLOW GROVE
54:12 - CLOSED AND CLOSED, ESSENTIALLY,
54:17 - TWO WINGS OF THE
54:19 - AIR NATIONAL GUARD.
54:21 - I SAID, "NOPE, THEY'RE NOT
54:23 - CLOSING.
54:24 - THEY'RE NOT CLOSING."
54:26 - AND I SAID, "I HAVE AUTHORITY
54:28 - AS --" THE NATIONAL GUARD IN
54:30 - THIS COUNTRY, BY LAW, BY
54:32 - STATUTE -- THERE'S DUAL
54:34 - AUTHORITY.
54:35 - THE GOVERNOR CONTROLS THE
54:36 - NATIONAL GUARD UNLESS THE
54:38 - PRESIDENT FEDERALIZES THE
54:40 - NATIONAL GUARD.
54:41 - IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT,
54:43 - GO WAY BACK TO WHEN
54:45 - GOVERNOR WALLACE BLOCKED
54:47 - AFRICAN-AMERICAN KIDS FROM GOING
54:49 - INTO THE SCHOOLS IN ALABAMA AND
54:54 - PRESIDENT EISENHOWER FEDERALIZED
54:56 - THE NATIONAL GUARD.
54:57 - SO, THE SAME GUARD THAT WAS
54:59 - BLOCKING THE KIDS BECAME THE
55:01 - VEHICLE THAT FORCED ALABAMA TO
55:04 - TAKE THE KIDS INTO SCHOOL.
55:06 - SO, I SAID, "YOU CAN'T CLOSE
55:09 - DOWN A GUARD FACILITY.
55:11 - THE PRESIDENT CAN'T DO THAT
55:12 - WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT OF THE
55:14 - GOVERNOR."
55:14 - AND WE HAD SOME STATUTORY
55:16 - LANGUAGE THAT SUPPORTED US.
55:17 - WE WENT TO FEDERAL COURT TO STOP
55:19 - THEM FROM CLOSING DOWN
55:21 - WILLOW GROVE WITHOUT OUR
55:22 - PERMISSION, AND WE ACTUALLY WON
55:24 - THE CASE.
55:25 - JUDGE PADOVA FOUND IN OUR FAVOR.
55:28 - >> YOU NAMED A WOMAN AS ADJUTANT
55:30 - GENERAL OF THE NATIONAL GUARD.
55:32 - >> FIRST WOMAN IN PENNSYLVANIA
55:34 - HISTORY, GENERAL JESSICA WRIGHT,
55:36 - WHO WAS NOT JUST AN
55:37 - ADMINISTRATIVE GENERAL.
55:39 - GENERAL WRIGHT ACTUALLY FLEW
55:41 - HELICOPTERS.
55:42 - SHE FLEW CHINOOK HELICOPTERS IN
55:45 - OPERATION DESERT STORM.
55:47 - AND SHE WAS A VERY SKILLED
55:49 - HELICOPTER PILOT AND WAS A GREAT
55:54 - LEADER OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THE
55:56 - GUARD.
55:57 - AND I INHERITED -- I KEPT
55:59 - GENERAL LYNCH, WHO WAS
56:01 - GOVERNOR RIDGE AND
56:02 - GOVERNOR SCHWEIKER'S HEAD OF THE
56:04 - GUARD.
56:05 - I KEPT HIM AS ADJUTANT GENERAL,
56:07 - AND HE LEFT ABOUT TWO YEARS OR A
56:09 - YEAR AND A HALF INTO MY TERM AS
56:10 - GOVERNOR.
56:11 - AND HE SUGGESTED THAT
56:12 - GENERAL WRIGHT BE HIS SUCCESSOR.
56:14 - AND I HAD KNOWN GENERAL WRIGHT A
56:16 - LITTLE BIT, AND I INTERVIEWED
56:18 - HER AT LENGTH AND THOUGHT SHE
56:20 - WAS TERRIFIC.
56:20 - AND SHE DID SUCH A GREAT JOB FOR
56:22 - PENNSYLVANIA THAT SHE WAS
56:24 - PROMOTED AND SHE WAS THE GENERAL
56:26 - IN CHARGE OF THE ENTIRE
56:28 - NATIONAL GUARD IN THE COUNTRY,
56:30 - BASED OUT OF THE PENTAGON.
56:31 - SO, GENERAL WRIGHT DID A GREAT
56:33 - JOB FOR US.
56:33 - >> YOU ALSO GOT TO PICK THE HEAD
56:35 - OF THE STATE POLICE?
56:36 - >> OH, THE GOVERNOR DOES, YES.
56:38 - >> WHO DID YOU PICK AND HOW --
56:40 - >> I PICKED JEFF MILLER.
56:41 - AND I INTERVIEWED -- I DECIDED I
56:44 - WANTED TO STAY INSIDE THE STATE
56:47 - POLICE.
56:47 - I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AN
56:49 - OUTSIDER WHEN I BECAME GOVERNOR,
56:51 - AND I WASN'T GONNA TAKE AN
56:52 - OUTSIDER UNLESS I FOUND NO
56:54 - CANDIDATES THAT I THOUGHT COULD
56:56 - LEAD AND VIEWED THE STATE POLICE
56:58 - FUNCTION THE SAME WAY AS I DID.
57:00 - AND I INTERVIEWED ALMOST ALL OF
57:03 - THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONERS, AND
57:05 - THERE WAS ONE -- JEFF MILLER --
57:07 - WHO WAS, I THOUGHT, A GREAT
57:11 - COMMUNICATOR, A GUY THAT THE
57:13 - RANK AND FILE WOULD LIKE, BUT
57:16 - MORE IMPORTANTLY -- OR AS
57:18 - IMPORTANTLY -- A GREAT FACE OF
57:21 - THE GUARD, WHOSE IDEAS ABOUT
57:22 - WHAT THE -- EXCUSE ME -- THE
57:24 - STATE POLICE -- WHOSE IDEAS
57:26 - ABOUT WHERE WE WANTED THE STATE
57:27 - POLICE TO GO WERE IN SYNC WITH
57:30 - MINE.
57:31 - AND JEFF WAS OUR CHOICE, AND HE
57:33 - SPENT MOST OF MY TIME AS
57:35 - GOVERNOR AS HEAD OF THE STATE
57:37 - POLICE AND FINALLY LEFT TO TAKE
57:40 - A JOB AS HEAD OF NFL SECURITY.
57:42 - BUT HE DID A GREAT JOB IN EVERY
57:44 - WAY AND PARTICULARLY GREAT IN
57:47 - THE INVESTIGATION OF
57:48 - NICKEL MINES, WHERE, YOU KNOW,
57:52 - I DECIDED I WANTED A
57:53 - LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO BE
57:55 - THE FACE, NOT THE GOVERNOR.
57:57 - AND I LET HIM BE THE ONE WHO
57:59 - WENT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, AND
58:02 - JEFF MILLER DID A GREAT JOB, I
58:04 - THINK, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT
58:07 - THE STATE POLICE WAS ON TOP OF
58:09 - THIS, THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO
58:12 - THE JOB WELL AND COMPETENTLY.
58:14 - AND HE JUST DID GREAT, AND,
58:16 - AGAIN, LEFT ME WITH ABOUT A YEAR
58:18 - TO GO OR A YEAR AND A HALF TO GO
58:19 - TO BECOME HEAD OF NFL SECURITY.
58:24 - >> DID YOU ENJOY JUST GOING
58:26 - AROUND SHAKING HANDS WITH PEOPLE
58:27 - OUT IN PUBLIC?
58:28 - >> SURE. IT'S INTERESTING.
58:30 - I ALWAYS HAD SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE
58:34 - IN POLITICS WHO DON'T ENJOY
58:35 - MEETING PEOPLE AND HAVING FUN
58:37 - WITH IT.
58:38 - AND YOU KNOW I LOVED
58:39 - ARLEN SPECTER AND IN HIS ORAL
58:42 - HISTORY YOU FILMED A NUMBER OF
58:45 - TIMES.
58:46 - ARLEN WAS A VERY SHY PERSON.
58:48 - AND PEOPLE FIND THAT HARD TO
58:50 - BELIEVE, BUT HE WAS SHY.
58:52 - AND HE JUST NEVER GOT
58:53 - COMFORTABLE SHAKING HANDS AND
58:56 - SLAPPING PEOPLE ON THE BACK.
58:58 - AND FOR HIM, IT WAS WORK.
59:01 - FOR ME, MOST OF THE TIMES -- I
59:03 - MEAN, EVENTUALLY, BY THE END OF
59:05 - THE DAY, IT GETS TIRING.
59:06 - MOST OF THE TIMES, IT WAS THE
59:08 - STUFF I LOVED.
59:09 - AND I LOVED GOING OUT AND
59:10 - SPEAKING TO PEOPLE.
59:12 - I LOVED ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
59:13 - I LOVED TOWN MEETINGS.
59:14 - AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING,
59:18 - THE RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE WHO
59:20 - ASK SOME OF THE HOSTILE
59:22 - QUESTIONS.
59:23 - IT'S COME UP BECAUSE OF
59:25 - GOVERNOR CHRISTIE.
59:27 - AND PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, HE
59:28 - BULLIES PEOPLE WHO ASK HIM
59:30 - QUESTIONS THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE."
59:31 - AND I THINK CHRIS CHRISTIE,
59:33 - PARTICULARLY IN HIS FIRST TERM,
59:35 - DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAD TO
59:36 - BE DONE, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO
59:38 - WHAT I DID WHEN I BECAME MAYOR
59:39 - OF PHILADELPHIA.
59:40 - BUT I THINK HIS STYLE THAT
59:42 - EVERYONE LIKED AT THE
59:44 - BEGINNING -- HE GOES OVERBOARD
59:47 - IN THE SENSE THAT HE'S SORT OF
59:49 - MEAN TO THE PEOPLE.
59:50 - AND I ALWAYS GIVE THE EXAMPLE
59:52 - OF -- BECAUSE IT WAS A QUESTION
59:53 - THAT WAS ASKED TO ME -- THE LADY
59:55 - WHO ASKED HIM A QUESTION ABOUT
59:57 - WHY HE SENT HIS KIDS TO PRIVATE
59:58 - 129 SCHOOL AND DIDN'T SEND THEM TO
01:00 - 00.897 PUBLIC SCHOOL.
01:00 - 02.231 AND HE SAVAGED HER AND, YOU
01:00 - 03.633 KNOW, ALMOST MADE HER CRY AND
01:00 - 04.834 SAID, "IT'S NONE OF YOUR
01:00 - 06.135 BUSINESS WHAT I DO WITH MY
01:00 - 07.570 FAMILY," ET CETERA, ET CETERA,
01:00 - 09.005 ET CETERA, JUST YELLED AT HER
01:00 - 10.540 AND SCOWLED AT HER AND JUST BEAT
01:00 - 12.041 THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF HER
01:00 - 12.609 VERBALLY.
01:00 - 14.410 I WAS ASKED THE SAME QUESTION
01:00 - 16.279 WHEN I BECAME MAYOR BECAUSE MY
01:00 - 17.547 SON, JESSE, WENT TO
01:00 - 19.115 PENN CHARTER, A WONDERFUL
01:00 - 20.783 PRIVATE SCHOOL IN THE CITY
01:00 - 22.251 LIMITS OF PHILADELPHIA.
01:00 - 24.087 AND SOMEBODY ASKED ME THAT
01:00 - 26.055 QUESTION, AND MY ANSWER WAS,
01:00 - 28.224 "LOOK, MA'AM, MY SON HAS GONE TO
01:00 - 30.360 HIS SCHOOL -- IT'S PENN CHARTER
01:00 - 32.028 PRIVATE SCHOOL -- SINCE
01:00 - 33.096 KINDERGARTEN.
01:00 - 35.164 HE'S NOW IN THE EIGHTH GRADE.
01:00 - 37.200 HE'S MADE FRIENDS THAT I HOPE
01:00 - 39.402 HE'LL KEEP FOR LIFE.
01:00 - 41.404 AND HE'S GETTING A GOOD
01:00 - 42.472 EDUCATION.
01:00 - 44.107 I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM BE USED AS
01:00 - 45.642 A POLITICAL FOOTBALL TO MAKE A
01:00 - 46.109 POINT.
01:00 - 47.744 I'M NOT GONNA TAKE HIM AWAY FROM
01:00 - 48.478 HIS FRIENDS.
01:00 - 49.979 I WOULD BE A TERRIBLE FATHER.
01:00 - 51.147 IT MIGHT MAKE ME A BETTER
01:00 - 52.482 GOVERNOR -- BUT I DON'T THINK
01:00 - 53.750 SO -- BUT IT WOULD MAKE ME A
01:00 - 54.584 TERRIBLE FATHER.
01:00 - 56.386 BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS -- I
01:00 - 58.287 SEE THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION THAT
01:00 - 59.555 JESSE HAS GOTTEN AT
01:00 - 00.523 PENN CHARTER.
01:01 - 02.392 I SEE THE BENEFIT HE GOT FROM
01:01 - 04.327 GOING TO MONTESSORI PRESCHOOL.
01:01 - 06.129 AND IT ONLY MAKES ME WANT TO
01:01 - 08.031 WORK HARDER TO MAKE SURE THAT
01:01 - 10.066 KIDS WHO GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOL GET
01:01 - 11.868 THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AND THE
01:01 - 13.469 SAME LEVEL OF EDUCATION.
01:01 - 15.538 IT MOTIVATES ME TO TRY TO REACH
01:01 - 16.506 THOSE GOALS.
01:01 - 18.207 SO, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
01:01 - 20.209 IT MAKES ME, AS GOVERNOR, MORE
01:01 - 22.178 COMPELLED TO DO THE THINGS TO
01:01 - 23.946 IMPROVE PUBLIC EDUCATION."
01:01 - 28.718 IT'S BASICALLY THE -- IT'S THE
01:01 - 29.652 SAME ANSWER THAT
01:01 - 31.054 GOVERNOR CHRISTIE GAVE, BUT
01:01 - 32.622 WITHOUT MAKING THE PERSON FEEL
01:01 - 34.223 LIKE THEY WERE AN IDIOT OR THAT
01:01 - 35.725 THEY WERE INTRUDING OR ASKING
01:01 - 37.060 SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG.
01:01 - 38.394 I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE
01:01 - 38.995 QUESTION.
01:01 - 40.496 "GOVERNOR, YOU SAY, YOU KNOW,
01:01 - 41.864 YOU WANT TO IMPROVE PUBLIC
01:01 - 42.532 EDUCATION.
01:01 - 43.933 WELL, WHY ISN'T YOUR KID IN
01:01 - 44.934 PUBLIC EDUCATION?"
01:01 - 46.436 THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
01:01 - 48.471 I THINK MY ANSWER WAS THE RIGHT
01:01 - 49.972 ANSWER.
01:01 - 52.075 SO, THE BROAD ANSWER TO YOUR
01:01 - 54.077 QUESTION IS, I USED TO LOVE
01:01 - 56.345 DOING THAT, SWAPPING, YOU KNOW,
01:01 - 58.715 QUESTION AND ANSWER WITH PEOPLE.
01:01 - 59.649 I LOVE IT.
01:01 - 00.683 >> WHAT PART OF THE JOB DID YOU
01:02 - 04.921 NOT LIKE?
01:02 - 07.590 >> I WAS ABOUT TO GIVE YOU A
01:02 - 09.292 FUNNY ANSWER AND SAY THE PRESS,
01:02 - 10.960 BUT I EVEN LIKED SPARRING WITH
01:02 - 11.661 THE PRESS.
01:02 - 13.062 I MEAN, THE PRESS WOULD DRIVE ME
01:02 - 14.263 CRAZY AT TIMES, BUT I LIKED
01:02 - 15.164 SPARRING WITH THEM.
01:02 - 17.867 AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTOOD, MAYBE
01:02 - 20.503 FROM MY YEARS IN PRIOR PUBLIC
01:02 - 23.139 SERVICE, THAT THE PRESS HAS A
01:02 - 25.475 JOB TO DO, AND SO DO YOU.
01:02 - 27.043 AND YOU CAN'T PROPERLY
01:02 - 29.112 COMMUNICATE WITH 12 1/2 MILLION
01:02 - 30.847 PEOPLE WITHOUT THE PRESS.
01:02 - 32.348 THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, NO
01:02 - 33.750 E-MAILS YOU CAN SEND OUT, NO
01:02 - 35.118 LETTERS YOU CAN SEND OUT, NO
01:02 - 36.586 BROCHURES -- YOU CAN'T GET ON
01:02 - 37.553 TELEVISION ENOUGH.
01:02 - 39.322 YOU NEED THE WORKING PRESS TO
01:02 - 41.057 GET YOUR IDEAS ACROSS TO THE
01:02 - 42.792 PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR YOU AND
01:02 - 44.460 HELPED YOU BECOME GOVERNOR.
01:02 - 46.462 AND SO, AS MUCH AS SOMETIMES THE
01:02 - 48.498 PRESS WOULD GET UNDER MY SKIN OR
01:02 - 50.399 RANKLE ME, I TRIED -- AND IT'S
01:02 - 52.368 PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY -- I DON'T
01:02 - 54.370 KNOW IF YOU CAN AGREE TO THIS ON
01:02 - 56.405 CAMERA -- BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN
01:02 - 57.940 A GOVERNOR WHO WAS MORE
01:02 - 59.909 ACCESSIBLE THAN I WAS, IN TERMS
01:02 - 01.911 OF BEING AVAILABLE TO THE PRESS.
01:03 - 03.146 EVEN WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE
01:03 - 04.680 SOMETHING TO SAY, I WOULD COME
01:03 - 06.115 OUT ONCE A WEEK SO THE PRESS
01:03 - 08.351 COULD ASK ME QUESTIONS THAT THEY
01:03 - 09.752 HAD ON THEIR MIND.
01:03 - 11.521 I ALMOST NEVER TURNED DOWN A
01:03 - 13.422 REQUEST FOR AN INTERVIEW FROM A
01:03 - 15.191 REPORTER, WHETHER IT WAS TV,
01:03 - 16.292 RADIO, OR PRINT.
01:03 - 18.628 AND I JUST BELIEVED THAT WAS AN
01:03 - 20.897 IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF MY JOB.
01:03 - 22.365 >> DURING YOUR SECOND TERM,
01:03 - 23.766 THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE
01:03 - 25.334 LEADERSHIP IN THE SENATE, AND
01:03 - 26.736 THE SENATORS SCARNATI AND
01:03 - 27.703 PILEGGI CAME IN.
01:03 - 28.304 >> RIGHT.
01:03 - 29.605 >> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR
01:03 - 30.807 RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM?
01:03 - 32.275 AND DID THINGS CHANGE WITH THE
01:03 - 35.478 NEW ORDER IN THE SENATE?
01:03 - 37.213 >> ACTUALLY, ALTHOUGH I HAD A
01:03 - 39.115 DECENT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH
01:03 - 40.449 SENATOR JUBELIRER AND
01:03 - 42.218 SENATOR BRIGHTBILL -- AND AS I
01:03 - 43.719 SAID, SENATOR BRIGHTBILL
01:03 - 45.621 PROBABLY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE
01:03 - 47.089 OF THE BEST IDEAS THAT I
01:03 - 48.324 INCORPORATED IN THE
01:03 - 51.694 ECONOMIC-STIMULUS PROGRAM -- I
01:03 - 53.729 HAD AN EVEN BETTER RELATIONSHIP
01:03 - 55.398 WITH SENATOR PILEGGI AND
01:03 - 56.632 SENATOR SCARNATI.
01:03 - 57.934 SENATOR PILEGGI I KNEW BECAUSE
01:03 - 59.001 HE HAD BEEN THE MAYOR OF
01:03 - 00.236 CHESTER, I THINK, DURING THE
01:04 - 01.137 TIME I WAS MAYOR OF
01:04 - 02.071 PHILADELPHIA.
01:04 - 04.073 WE, YOU KNOW -- AND I'VE ALWAYS
01:04 - 05.775 BEEN FRIENDS WITH DOMINIC.
01:04 - 07.877 AND ALTHOUGH HE WAS OFTEN THE
01:04 - 10.079 BANE OF MY EXISTENCE DURING MY
01:04 - 12.315 SECOND TERM AS GOVERNOR, HE WAS
01:04 - 14.350 A GOOD GUY, AND WE GOT ALONG
01:04 - 14.984 WELL.
01:04 - 16.686 AND SENATOR SCARNATI -- OH, I'M
01:04 - 18.221 GONNA GET HIM IN BIG TROUBLE
01:04 - 21.757 HERE -- IS MUCH MORE OF A
01:04 - 26.495 MODERATE PROGRESSIVE GUY THAN A
01:04 - 27.997 LOT OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE
01:04 - 29.198 STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA.
01:04 - 31.000 AND WE HIT IT OFF BOTH
01:04 - 33.236 PERSONALLY -- AND HE WAS ALSO
01:04 - 35.504 CONSERVATIVE ON BROAD ISSUES,
01:04 - 37.607 BUT HE WANTED STUFF FOR HIS
01:04 - 38.541 DISTRICT.
01:04 - 40.409 AND HE FOUGHT HARD FOR STUFF FOR
01:04 - 42.278 HIS DISTRICT, AND I ADMIRE THAT.
01:04 - 43.546 AND SO WE HAD A GOOD
01:04 - 44.480 RELATIONSHIP.
01:04 - 46.249 I'D TRY TO ACCOMMODATE HIM AND
01:04 - 48.084 GIVE HIM STUFF FOR HIS DISTRICT
01:04 - 49.285 THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
01:04 - 50.953 AND WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD WORKING
01:04 - 51.787 RELATIONSHIP.
01:04 - 57.593 SO, I ENJOYED THEM, PROBABLY WAS
01:04 - 59.662 CLOSER TO THEM PERSONALLY THAN I
01:04 - 01.564 WAS TO SENATOR BRIGHTBILL AND
01:05 - 03.532 SENATOR JUBELIRER, BUT I HAD A
01:05 - 05.434 PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH
01:05 - 06.903 BOTH SETS OF LEADERS.
01:05 - 08.604 >> HOW OFTEN DID YOU SIT DOWN
01:05 - 10.473 ONE-ON-ONE WITH THEM OR AT LEAST
01:05 - 12.008 FACE-TO-FACE WITH THEM, AS
01:05 - 13.876 OPPOSED TO DEALING YOUR STAFF TO
01:05 - 14.977 THEIR STAFF?
01:05 - 16.479 >> BUDGET TIME, ALWAYS.
01:05 - 18.047 AND THEN WHENEVER WE WERE
01:05 - 19.982 LAUNCHING A MAJOR INITIATIVE, I
01:05 - 21.817 WOULD CALL THEM IN AND EXPLAIN
01:05 - 23.653 THE MAJOR INITIATIVE AND SAY,
01:05 - 25.354 "LOOK, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
01:05 - 27.256 IF YOUR CAUCUS WANTS TO SUGGEST
01:05 - 29.058 CHANGES OR DELETIONS, I'LL BE
01:05 - 30.493 HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT."
01:05 - 34.697 BUT OFTEN ON LAUNCH OF NEW
01:05 - 38.000 PROGRAMS, BUT MOST OFTEN ON
01:05 - 40.670 BUDGET TIMES, MOST OFTEN.
01:05 - 42.238 >> THERE'S ALSO THE --
01:05 - 43.839 >> I REMEMBER ONCE WHEN
01:05 - 45.908 SENATOR SCARNATI AND I RESOLVED
01:05 - 47.944 THE BUDGET DEADLOCK BY LEAVING
01:05 - 49.612 THE ROOM, THE GOVERNOR'S
01:05 - 51.414 CONFERENCE ROOM, AND GOING
01:05 - 53.549 ACROSS THE HALL INTO THE KITCHEN
01:05 - 55.618 IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, WHICH
01:05 - 57.353 WAS ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE.
01:05 - 58.821 AND WE SAT THERE, AND HE HAD A
01:05 - 00.289 LIST OF THINGS THAT HE WANTED.
01:06 - 01.757 AND HE GAVE ME THE LIST, AND I
01:06 - 03.192 LOOKED AT IT, AND I SAID, "WE
01:06 - 04.760 CAN DO THESE, SENATOR," AND THAT
01:06 - 05.261 WAS IT.
01:06 - 08.664 THE BUDGET DEADLOCK ENDED.
01:06 - 10.967 >> THERE WAS ALSO THE YEAR --
01:06 - 12.969 2007, THE DEMOCRATS HAD A
01:06 - 15.404 MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, AND THEY
01:06 - 17.707 ELECTED A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER.
01:06 - 19.542 WERE YOU PRIVY TO ANY OF THAT?
01:06 - 21.444 >> SURE.
01:06 - 23.612 I CONVINCED DENNY O'BRIEN TO
01:06 - 26.515 DO IT AT THE BEHEST OF DEMOCRATS
01:06 - 28.384 IN THE LEGISLATURE.
01:06 - 30.820 THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT
01:06 - 36.258 'CAUSE THEY NEEDED -- THEY
01:06 - 37.927 COULDN'T ELECT -- I FORGET WHAT
01:06 - 38.494 IT WAS.
01:06 - 39.662 >> WELL, BILL DeWEESE WAS THE
01:06 - 40.429 DEMOCRATIC LEADER.
01:06 - 43.032 >> RIGHT, AND CERTAIN DEMOCRATS
01:06 - 45.001 WOULDN'T VOTE FOR HIM.
01:06 - 47.636 AND SO DENNY WAS A PHILADELPHIA
01:06 - 50.072 REPUBLICAN, PROGRESSIVE, AND
01:06 - 52.808 WELL-RESPECTED FOR HIS FAIRNESS.
01:06 - 54.477 AND SO WE ELECTED HIM SPEAKER.
01:06 - 56.178 AND I WILL SAY, IN RETROSPECT,
01:06 - 57.513 IT WORKED TREMENDOUSLY.
01:06 - 59.382 DENNY WAS A SPEAKER WHO HAD THE
01:06 - 01.150 RESPECT OF BOTH SIDES, AND HE
01:07 - 02.952 HELPED MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG.
01:07 - 04.487 SO, THAT WAS A PRETTY
01:07 - 06.522 FORTUITOUS...
01:07 - 07.757 >> YOU GET ANY CRITICISM FOR
01:07 - 09.058 PUTTING A REPUBLICAN IN CHARGE
01:07 - 10.059 OF A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE?
01:07 - 11.694 >> IF YOU'RE GOVERNOR, YOU GET
01:07 - 13.362 CRITICISM FOR THE WAY YOU DRINK
01:07 - 14.997 A GLASS OF WATER, SO, YEAH, WE
01:07 - 15.898 GOT CRITICISM.
01:07 - 17.933 >> WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS
01:07 - 20.002 ELECTED, THERE WAS SOME TALK
01:07 - 22.238 THAT YOU WERE BEING CONSIDERED
01:07 - 23.739 FOR A CABINET POST.
01:07 - 25.574 >> DID ANYONE EVER APPROACH YOU
01:07 - 26.375 ABOUT THAT?
01:07 - 26.976 >> NO.
01:07 - 28.811 IN FACT, I TELL A STORY IN MY
01:07 - 30.513 BOOK.
01:07 - 33.049 AFTER HILLARY WITHDREW FROM THE
01:07 - 35.451 RACE IN JUNE OF 2008 AND THEN
01:07 - 37.486 SENATOR OBAMA BECAME THE
01:07 - 39.889 PUTATIVE NOMINEE, HILLARY HAD
01:07 - 41.791 WITHDRAW AND CONCEDED.
01:07 - 43.993 I WAS ON A TV SHOW IN LATE JUNE
01:07 - 45.628 OR EARLY JULY, ON CNN.
01:07 - 46.996 I'LL NEVER FORGET.
01:07 - 49.198 AND AT THE END OF MY INTERVIEW,
01:07 - 51.867 THE NEWSCASTER SAID, "GOVERNOR,
01:07 - 54.136 YOU'RE A GOVERNOR OF A KEY
01:07 - 57.673 STATE, A TOSS-UP STATE,
01:07 - 59.842 BATTLEGROUND STATE, AND YOU WERE
01:07 - 01.243 ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE
01:08 - 02.545 HILLARY CLINTON FORCES.
01:08 - 04.280 IF YOU WERE MADE VICE PRESIDENT,
01:08 - 05.714 THAT WOULD BRING THE PARTY
01:08 - 06.382 TOGETHER.
01:08 - 08.818 HAS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
01:08 - 11.120 REACHED OUT TO YOU YET AND
01:08 - 12.388 VETTED YOU?"
01:08 - 13.956 AND I SAID, "NO, THEY HAVEN'T,
01:08 - 15.591 AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY
01:08 - 16.125 DON'T."
01:08 - 18.494 I SAID, "I'M TOO MUCH OF MY OWN
01:08 - 20.663 PERSON AND I'M TOO MUCH OF A
01:08 - 23.032 FREE SPIRIT TO TAKE ORDERS, AND
01:08 - 25.468 IF I DIDN'T LIKE THE PRESIDENT'S
01:08 - 28.504 TRANSPORTATION PLAN, I'D
01:08 - 29.638 PROBABLY SAY IT, AND YOU DON'T
01:08 - 30.606 WANT SOMEONE LIKE THAT AS
01:08 - 31.307 VICE PRESIDENT."
01:08 - 32.975 AND THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER, AND
01:08 - 34.577 IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE OBAMA
01:08 - 35.811 PEOPLE WERE THINKING.
01:08 - 37.480 THE LAST PERSON THEY WANTED WAS
01:08 - 40.382 ED RENDELL -- FOR THOSE REASONS.
01:08 - 42.151 BUT I COULDN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH
01:08 - 43.619 ALONE, AND AT THAT POINT,
01:08 - 44.954 SENATOR OBAMA WAS BEING
01:08 - 46.589 CRITICIZED BY THE REPUBLICANS
01:08 - 48.124 FOR NOT WEARING A FLAG PIN.
01:08 - 49.892 SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT POSSESSED
01:08 - 51.627 ME, BUT I ADDED -- AFTER I SAID
01:08 - 53.229 THE GOOD STUFF, I ADDED -- I
01:08 - 54.997 WENT LIKE THIS, AND I SAID, "ON
01:08 - 56.465 THE OTHER HAND, WE'D BE A
01:08 - 57.500 BALANCED TICKET.
01:08 - 59.235 HE DOESN'T WEAR A FLAG PIN, AND
01:08 - 01.003 I DO," AND I POINTED TO MY FLAG
01:09 - 01.437 PIN.
01:09 - 04.406 I GOT OFF THE AIR AT LIKE 1:31.
01:09 - 06.575 AT 1:33, I GOT A CALL FROM
01:09 - 09.111 DAVID AXELROD FROM CHICAGO, AND
01:09 - 10.646 HE SAID, IN THAT STENTORIAN
01:09 - 12.448 VOICE OF HIS -- HE SAID, "I HOPE
01:09 - 14.083 YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE IN
01:09 - 15.684 CHICAGO THOUGHT THAT WAS THE
01:09 - 16.752 LEAST BIT FUNNY."
01:09 - 18.888 [ LAUGHS ]
01:09 - 21.557 SO, NO, I WOULD NOT BE A GOOD --
01:09 - 22.758 AND I WOULDN'T BE A GOOD CABINET
01:09 - 27.196 MEMBER BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF I
01:09 - 30.499 THOUGHT WE NEEDED A
01:09 - 31.867 TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT DID
01:09 - 33.102 "X," "Y," AND "Z" AND THE
01:09 - 34.603 PRESIDENT DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME,
01:09 - 37.239 I COULDN'T BITE MY LIP, AND YOU
01:09 - 39.675 WANT SOMEONE WHO BITES THEIR
01:09 - 41.177 LIP.
01:09 - 42.278 >> AT ANY POINT IN YOUR CAREER,
01:09 - 43.379 DID YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE HOUSE
01:09 - 44.380 AND THINK, "I CAN DO THAT"?
01:09 - 47.383 >> NO, I NEVER WAS COMPELLED TO
01:09 - 48.751 HAVE AN INTEREST IN ACTUALLY
01:09 - 49.285 RUNNING.
01:09 - 50.953 BUT IT'S INTERESTING.
01:09 - 56.725 WHEN THE...
01:09 - 00.629 IN TWO-THOUSAND AND -- NOT FOUR.
01:10 - 04.366 IN 2008 -- NO, I'M SORRY.
01:10 - 06.435 TWO-THOUSAND AND --
01:10 - 09.004 THERE WAS SOME POINT IN MY TIME
01:10 - 11.373 AS GOVERNOR WHEN PEOPLE WERE
01:10 - 12.308 DISCUSSING -- FOR
01:10 - 13.542 VICE PRESIDENT, NOT FOR
01:10 - 15.077 PRESIDENT -- OTHER GOVERNORS --
01:10 - 16.312 AND OF COURSE IF YOU'RE
01:10 - 17.880 VICE PRESIDENT, THERE'S A CHANCE
01:10 - 19.148 YOU'LL BECOME PRESIDENT.
01:10 - 20.649 HOW MANY VICE PRESIDENTS HAVE
01:10 - 22.117 BECOME PRESIDENT -- EIGHT OR
01:10 - 22.551 NINE?
01:10 - 24.920 SO, I WAS THINKING OF THE PEOPLE
01:10 - 26.956 THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, MY
01:10 - 28.991 COLLEAGUE FELLOW GOVERNORS.
01:10 - 30.859 AND THEN THERE WERE REPUBLICAN
01:10 - 32.761 GOVERNORS ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO
01:10 - 34.530 WERE RUNNING IN THE PRIMARY,
01:10 - 35.064 2012.
01:10 - 37.800 AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "GEE, I
01:10 - 40.502 NEVER THOUGHT OF MYSELF AS BEING
01:10 - 43.472 A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, BUT
01:10 - 45.107 I'M A BETTER GOVERNOR THAN THAT
01:10 - 46.675 GUY AND I'M SMARTER THAN THAT
01:10 - 47.910 GUY AND I KNOW MORE --
01:10 - 49.511 AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I
01:10 - 51.313 THOUGHT -- WHEN YOU GROW UP AND
01:10 - 53.082 EVEN WHEN YOU GET FIRST ELECTED
01:10 - 54.683 AS D.A. AND THEN MAYOR, YOU
01:10 - 56.485 NEVER THINK THAT YOU'RE CAPABLE
01:10 - 57.686 OF BEING PRESIDENT.
01:10 - 59.755 AND THE TRUTH IS, THERE'S NO ONE
01:10 - 01.757 CAPABLE OF DOING ALL THE THINGS
01:11 - 03.525 THAT A PRESIDENT HAS TO DO.
01:11 - 04.960 THERE'S NO ONE IN ELECTED
01:11 - 05.561 OFFICE.
01:11 - 07.296 THERE'S MAYBE NO ONE IN AMERICA
01:11 - 08.797 CAPABLE OF DOING ALL THAT.
01:11 - 10.032 BUT THEN WHEN I SAW MY
01:11 - 11.667 COLLEAGUES BEING CONSIDERED FOR
01:11 - 13.002 VICE PRESIDENT OR, ON THE
01:11 - 14.503 REPUBLICAN SIDE, RUNNING FOR
01:11 - 16.138 PRESIDENT, I SAID, "GOOD LORD,"
01:11 - 17.506 YOU KNOW, "I WAS A BETTER
01:11 - 19.041 GOVERNOR THAN THAT GUY," AND,
01:11 - 20.142 YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
01:11 - 22.444 AND SO I THOUGHT I COULD BE
01:11 - 24.913 PRESIDENT, BUT I NEVER HAD THE
01:11 - 27.216 DESIRE TO GO AHEAD AND RUN.
01:11 - 29.184 AND IN FACT, CHRIS MATTHEWS
01:11 - 31.387 ASKED ME ONCE WHEN I WAS ON HIS
01:11 - 33.055 SHOW ABOUT RUNNING FOR
01:11 - 35.124 PRESIDENT, AND I SAID, "LOOK,
01:11 - 36.859 CHRIS, THE ANSWER'S NO.
01:11 - 38.560 I DON'T WANT TO DO IT."
01:11 - 40.129 AND HE SAID, "YOU MEAN YOU
01:11 - 41.964 WOULDN'T WANT TO BE PRESIDENT?"
01:11 - 43.532 I SAID, "I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
01:11 - 45.234 I SAID I DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR
01:11 - 45.934 PRESIDENT.
01:11 - 47.603 IF I WOKE UP TOMORROW MORNING
01:11 - 49.204 AND FOUND I WAS PRESIDENT, I
01:11 - 50.272 WOULDN'T RESIGN."
01:11 - 52.241 BUT I DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR IT.
01:11 - 54.209 IT'S TOO HARD, AND POLITICS HAS
01:11 - 56.211 BECOME SUCH A HORRIBLE BUSINESS.
01:11 - 59.348 IT'S JUST SO VICIOUS AND SO
01:11 - 03.585 BRUTAL AND SO UNRELENTING AND
01:12 - 06.722 JUST -- I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A HAPPY
01:12 - 08.657 WARRIOR ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
01:12 - 10.326 I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD, RUNNING
01:12 - 11.160 FOR PRESIDENT.
01:12 - 12.861 >> WHAT ABOUT U.S. SENATE,
01:12 - 13.629 CONGRESS?
01:12 - 15.464 >> I DON'T THINK SENATORS DO
01:12 - 16.098 ENOUGH.
01:12 - 17.933 YOU KNOW, THEIR STAFF IS 17.
01:12 - 19.802 I HAD 78,000 EMPLOYEES WHEN I
01:12 - 21.737 WAS GOVERNOR, 24,000 EMPLOYEES
01:12 - 22.938 WHEN I WAS MAYOR.
01:12 - 24.206 I LIKE DOING THINGS.
01:12 - 26.041 I LIKE SIGNING MY INITIALS ON A
01:12 - 27.943 PIECE OF PAPER AND NOT HAVING TO
01:12 - 29.478 GET 60 OTHER VOTES TO GET
01:12 - 30.446 ANYTHING DONE.
01:12 - 32.481 I THINK I'D GO STIR-CRAZY IN THE
01:12 - 33.148 SENATE.
01:12 - 35.150 AND THE TRUTH IS, THEY DON'T DO
01:12 - 37.653 BLANK, BLANK, BLANK.
01:12 - 39.455 >> DO YOU HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY
01:12 - 41.023 SOUVENIRS OR MEMORABILIA FROM
01:12 - 41.790 YOUR CAREER?
01:12 - 43.459 >> NAH, I'M NOT A BIG KEEPER OF
01:12 - 44.193 THAT STUFF.
01:12 - 49.064 YOU KNOW -- AND SOMETIMES I
01:12 - 50.399 REGRET, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING
01:12 - 53.068 THEM AROUND, BUT -- I'VE KEPT
01:12 - 54.803 STUFF, I MEAN, LIKE THE PATRIOT
01:12 - 56.572 EDITORIAL AND A FEW THINGS LIKE
01:12 - 58.307 THAT, BUT I'M NOT A BIG PICTURE
01:12 - 00.309 KEEPER AND STUFF.
01:13 - 02.678 I MEAN, A FEW PERSONAL NOTES
01:13 - 04.980 THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM OTHER
01:13 - 07.549 PEOPLE IN POLITICS I'VE KEPT, A
01:13 - 09.718 FEW TERRIFICALLY POIGNANT
01:13 - 12.388 LETTERS FROM CITIZENS THAT I GOT
01:13 - 13.822 THAT I'VE KEPT.
01:13 - 16.225 BUT I'M NOT A -- BUT I'VE KEPT
01:13 - 18.794 SOME PICTURES, I MEAN, LIKE FROM
01:13 - 20.496 THE 2008 CAMPAIGN IN
01:13 - 22.865 PENNSYLVANIA, IN THE PRIMARY,
01:13 - 25.401 WITH BARACK OBAMA AND SENATOR --
01:13 - 26.769 AND SEC-- WELL,
01:13 - 28.570 THEN-SENATOR CLINTON.
01:13 - 31.340 I KEPT THIS GREAT PICTURE OF HER
01:13 - 33.842 AND I -- IT'S INSIDE, BEHIND
01:13 - 36.612 US -- WHERE WE'RE ON THE PODIUM,
01:13 - 37.880 ON THE DAIS.
01:13 - 40.082 AND IT WAS IN HARRISBURG, AT THE
01:13 - 41.283 MASONIC TEMPLE.
01:13 - 43.085 WE WERE HAVING A RALLY FOR
01:13 - 44.853 HILLARY, AND WE WERE BOTH
01:13 - 46.955 WAITING TO SPEAK, AND THE MAYOR
01:13 - 48.991 OF HARRISBURG, STEVE REED, WAS
01:13 - 49.825 SPEAKING.
01:13 - 51.960 AND I LEAN DOWN -- I'M BEHIND
01:13 - 53.962 HILLARY AND I LEAN DOWN AND
01:13 - 56.098 WHISPER IN HER EAR AND I SAY,
01:13 - 58.367 "RELAX. THIS GUY LOVES TO TALK.
01:13 - 00.202 WE'LL BE A FEW MINUTES."
01:14 - 01.804 AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE
01:14 - 03.338 SHE HAS A LITTLE SMIRK ON HER
01:14 - 07.509 FACE, AND THE FOLKS IN CMS SENT
01:14 - 08.710 THE LETTER TO HILLARY'S
01:14 - 10.279 CAMPAIGN -- SENT THE PICTURE TO
01:14 - 11.713 HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN STAFF, AND
01:14 - 13.282 SHE AUTOGRAPHED IT -- VERY NICE
01:14 - 14.883 AUTOGRAPH -- "YOU CAN WHISPER IN
01:14 - 16.218 MY EAR ANYTIME," YOU KNOW,
01:14 - 17.586 "THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP."
01:14 - 19.455 SO, A FEW PICTURES LIKE THAT AND
01:14 - 20.689 A FEW PICTURES WITH
01:14 - 21.857 PRESIDENT CLINTON.
01:14 - 24.426 AND I HAVE A GREAT PICTURE OF
01:14 - 26.261 MILTON SHAPP AND I.
01:14 - 28.297 I WAS IN THE ARMY, AND
01:14 - 30.799 GOVERNOR SHAPP CAME TO VISIT
01:14 - 33.035 OUR -- WE DID SUMMER CAMP IN
01:14 - 35.370 INDIANTOWN GAP, AND THERE'S A
01:14 - 37.339 PICTURE OF ME TALKING TO
01:14 - 38.707 GOVERNOR SHAPP.
01:14 - 44.546 AND I GUESS THAT WAS 1972.
01:14 - 46.548 AND THEN SIX YEARS LATER, HE
01:14 - 48.517 APPOINTED ME DEPUTY SPECIAL
01:14 - 53.689 PROSECUTOR OF PHILADELPHIA.
01:14 - 55.324 >> ANYBODY YOU EVER MET IN YOUR
01:14 - 57.392 LIFE WHO YOU WERE IN AWE OF?
01:15 - 07.269 >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
01:15 - 11.006 IN AWE OF PRESIDENT CLINTON'S
01:15 - 16.078 INTELLIGENCE AND ABILITY TO TAKE
01:15 - 18.180 IN STUFF AND UNDERSTAND COMPLEX
01:15 - 20.148 THINGS THAT HE HADN'T HEARD A
01:15 - 22.284 SECOND BEFORE THAT AND THEN SPIT
01:15 - 24.019 THEM OUT EFFECTIVELY FIVE
01:15 - 25.120 MINUTES LATER.
01:15 - 27.189 AND ARLEN SPECTER HAD THE SAME
01:15 - 27.990 QUALITY.
01:15 - 29.992 INTELLECTUALLY, THOSE ARE THE
01:15 - 31.827 TWO, AND HILLARY'S NOT FAR
01:15 - 33.462 BEHIND, AND NEITHER IS
01:15 - 34.696 PRESIDENT OBAMA.
01:15 - 36.665 BUT SENATOR CLINTON --
01:15 - 38.567 PRESIDENT CLINTON AND
01:15 - 41.103 SENATOR SPECTER -- IN TERMS OF
01:15 - 44.940 THEIR INTELLECT, VERY MUCH SO.
01:15 - 47.009 DAVID COHEN -- I'M IN AWE OF
01:15 - 50.512 DAVID COHEN'S ABILITY TO DO
01:15 - 52.915 SEVEN, EIGHT THINGS AT A TIME
01:15 - 55.117 AND, YOU KNOW, THE WORD IS
01:15 - 56.184 MULTITASK.
01:15 - 57.719 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE
01:15 - 59.588 MULTITASK AS EFFECTIVELY AND
01:15 - 01.590 JUGGLE ALL THOSE BALLS AND NOT
01:16 - 03.425 LET ANY OF THEM DROP TO THE
01:16 - 05.294 GROUND AS WELL AS DAVID DID.
01:16 - 09.131 SO, I'M IN AWE OF THOSE THREE,
01:16 - 10.399 THEIR INTELLIGENCE.
01:16 - 14.169 I'M ALSO IN AWE -- I WAS IN AWE
01:16 - 17.739 OF MIDGE'S BOTH INTELLIGENCE --
01:16 - 19.508 HER INTELLECTUAL ABILITY -- AND
01:16 - 20.976 HER BASIC AND FUNDAMENTAL
01:16 - 24.279 FAIRNESS.
01:16 - 25.881 YOU KNOW, EACH OF US TRIES TO BE
01:16 - 27.983 FAIR.
01:16 - 29.551 BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT MY
01:16 - 31.520 PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OR SOME OF
01:16 - 33.255 MY BUILT-IN THEORIES DON'T
01:16 - 35.290 INFLUENCE MY JUDGMENT ON THE WAY
01:16 - 37.292 I DISCERN THINGS AND ADJUDICATE
01:16 - 38.961 THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT A
01:16 - 40.629 GOVERNOR OR MAYOR DOES.
01:16 - 42.297 I'VE NEVER MET ANYBODY QUITE AS
01:16 - 46.301 FAIR, WHO -- YOU COULD BRING ANY
01:16 - 51.239 DISPUTE OF ANY SORT TO MIDGE,
01:16 - 53.575 AND SHE WOULD RENDER THE FAIR
01:16 - 55.210 AND CORRECT RULING.
01:16 - 57.145 AND SO, TO THAT EXTENT, I WAS A
01:16 - 58.747 LITTLE BIT IN AWE OF THAT
01:16 - 02.884 QUALITY IN HER.
01:17 - 06.121 IN AWE OF -- YOU HAD TO BE A
01:17 - 08.490 LITTLE BIT IN AWE OF FRANK RIZZO
01:17 - 09.992 BECAUSE, ALTHOUGH HE AND I
01:17 - 11.727 DIDN'T AGREE WITH MUCH, WE WERE
01:17 - 12.361 FRIENDS.
01:17 - 14.463 AND HE WOULD DOMINATE A ROOM
01:17 - 16.665 LIKE -- EVEN PRESIDENT CLINTON
01:17 - 19.001 DOMINATES ROOMS, BUT I NEVER SAW
01:17 - 20.969 ANYBODY DOMINATE A ROOM AS
01:17 - 23.171 FRANK RIZZO DID, IN GREAT PART
01:17 - 24.439 BECAUSE OF HIS PHYSICAL
01:17 - 25.073 PRESENCE.
01:17 - 27.442 I MEAN, HE WAS JUST -- HE WAS
01:17 - 27.876 BIG.
01:17 - 29.845 I MEAN, THERE ARE BIGGER MEN,
01:17 - 32.414 BUT HE JUST FILLED UP THE ROOM,
01:17 - 34.750 AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW --
01:17 - 36.885 "TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER."
01:17 - 38.887 WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T
01:17 - 40.889 HAVE TAKEN THE MARTIAN TO SEE
01:17 - 42.124 PRESIDENT NIXON.
01:17 - 43.625 THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM TO SEE
01:17 - 44.326 FRANK RIZZO.
01:17 - 47.996 HE WAS JUST THAT -- YEAH, SO...
01:17 - 53.468 AND THEN PROBABLY THE ONLY OTHER
01:17 - 55.470 PEOPLE THAT I'VE EVER BEEN IN
01:17 - 57.639 AWE WITH ARE GREAT ATHLETES, YOU
01:17 - 59.775 KNOW, THE ONES THAT I'VE HAD THE
01:17 - 00.976 CHANCE TO MEET.
01:18 - 02.878 YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LEVEL OF
01:18 - 04.413 BEING IN AWE OF THEM.
01:18 - 06.181 >> SPEAKING OF WHICH, WHERE WERE
01:18 - 07.816 YOU WHEN THE PHILLIES WON THE
01:18 - 09.051 WORLD SERIES IN 2008?
01:18 - 11.153 >> I WAS AT THE CAMPUS OF
01:18 - 12.988 INDIANA UNIVERSITY OF
01:18 - 14.256 PENNSYLVANIA.
01:18 - 16.692 THE BAD PART, FOR ME, AS A
01:18 - 19.394 PHILLIES FAN WAS -- IT WAS --
01:18 - 21.163 THE PHILLIES WON IN THE LAST
01:18 - 22.698 WEEK OF THE PRESIDENTIAL
01:18 - 23.432 CAMPAIGN.
01:18 - 24.933 AND AS I HAVE IN EVERY
01:18 - 26.968 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND MY OWN
01:18 - 28.870 CAMPAIGNS, WE TOOK A BUS TRIP
01:18 - 30.739 AROUND THE STATE FOR THE LAST
01:18 - 31.573 NINE DAYS.
01:18 - 33.341 AND SO I MISSED ALL OF THE
01:18 - 33.975 GAMES.
01:18 - 35.377 I MISSED THE PARADE.
01:18 - 37.045 I WAS IN INDIANA COUNTY.
01:18 - 39.381 I HAD JUST FINISHED A SPEECH AND
01:18 - 41.583 A RALLY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA IN
01:18 - 42.851 INDIANA COUNTY.
01:18 - 44.753 AND WE WENT -- AND IT WAS ON THE
01:18 - 46.354 INDIANA UNIVERSITY CAMPUS.
01:18 - 48.623 AND WE WENT TO WHAT WE WERE TOLD
01:18 - 50.625 WAS THE MOST ACTIVE, HOPPING
01:18 - 54.329 CAMPUS BAR AND GRILL.
01:18 - 55.764 AND WE GOT THERE, AND THE
01:18 - 57.099 WORLD SERIES WAS ON TV.
01:18 - 58.567 THERE ALMOST NOBODY IN THE
01:18 - 59.901 PLACE.
01:18 - 01.670 THERE WAS ONE OTHER TABLE
01:19 - 03.805 FILLED, AND WE WATCHED THE LAST
01:19 - 05.907 FEW INNINGS OF THE GAME IN AN
01:19 - 06.441 EMPTY BAR.
01:19 - 07.642 IT WAS SORT OF SAD, YOU KNOW,
01:19 - 08.910 THAT I MISSED THAT OPPORTUNITY.
01:19 - 10.145 >> YOU WEREN'T TEMPTED TO TELL
01:19 - 11.446 THE CAMPAIGN, "HEY, GUYS, I JUST
01:19 - 12.013 HAVE TO..."
01:19 - 13.849 >> NO, 'CAUSE WE HAD SET IT UP
01:19 - 15.684 LONG IN ADVANCE AND PEOPLE AND
01:19 - 17.452 COME, AND I COULDN'T DO THAT.
01:19 - 20.122 AND, LOOK, EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT
01:19 - 21.823 MY LOVE OF SPORTS.
01:19 - 23.759 AND AT ONE POINT, A COUPLE OF
01:19 - 25.894 WRITERS SAID I WOULD HAVE BEEN A
01:19 - 27.896 GOOD COMMISSIONER OF BASEBALL.
01:19 - 29.431 AND THEY SAID TO ME, "WOULD YOU
01:19 - 30.398 LIKE TO DO THAT?"
01:19 - 31.900 I SAID, "SURE, I WOULD LOVE TO
01:19 - 33.435 DO IT, BUT PROBABLY SOMETIME IN
01:19 - 35.036 THE SECOND OR THIRD YEAR, I'D BE
01:19 - 37.239 LYING IN BED, AND I'D START
01:19 - 40.442 THINKING, 'IT'S A GAME.
01:19 - 42.511 IT'S JUST A GAME.
01:19 - 45.747 NO ONE'S GONNA LIVE OR DIE BASED
01:19 - 46.648 ON WHAT YOU DO AS
01:19 - 47.382 COMMISSIONER.
01:19 - 49.151 NO KIDS ARE GONNA GET FED OR GET
01:19 - 50.886 A BETTER EDUCATION BASED ON WHAT
01:19 - 52.320 YOU DO AS COMMISSIONER.'"
01:19 - 56.858 SO, IN THE END, TO ME, WHO THE
01:19 - 58.260 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
01:19 - 59.628 IS, GETTING THE RIGHT TYPE OF
01:19 - 01.029 PRESIDENT, HAS TO SURPASS EVEN
01:20 - 02.330 THE MOST IMPORTANT SPORTING
01:20 - 05.267 EVENT 'CAUSE IN THE END, THEY'RE
01:20 - 06.001 ALL GAMES.
01:20 - 07.736 THEY'RE WONDERFUL RELEASES FOR
01:20 - 09.404 US, THEY'RE WONDERFUL ESCAPES
01:20 - 11.173 FOR US, BUT IN THE END, THEY'RE
01:20 - 12.841 ALL GAMES, AND NOBODY'S GONNA
01:20 - 15.143 GET HURT BY THEIR TEAM WINNING
01:20 - 17.479 OR LOSING IN THE LONG RUN, AND
01:20 - 19.848 NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE THEIR LIVES
01:20 - 21.449 MARKEDLY IMPROVED."
01:20 - 22.818 >> DID YOU GET TO GO TO THE
01:20 - 23.351 PARADE?
01:20 - 27.689 >> NO. I WAS IN SCRANTON.
01:20 - 29.524 >> GETTING BACK TO YOUR TIME AS
01:20 - 32.794 GOVERNOR, 2009, YOUR BUDGET WAS
01:20 - 34.663 LATE BY 101 DAYS.
01:20 - 36.198 CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT ALL
01:20 - 36.798 UNFOLDED?
01:20 - 37.532 >> ONLY 101?
01:20 - 41.703 WELL, ACTUALLY, 2003, THE
01:20 - 44.039 EDUCATION PART OF THE BUDGET
01:20 - 46.508 WASN'T SIGNED, WASN'T APPROVED
01:20 - 49.144 BY THE LEGISLATURE TILL DECEMBER
01:20 - 49.845 21st.
01:20 - 51.947 SO, I WAS USED TO IT BY THEN.
01:20 - 57.619 AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT TO TITLE
01:20 - 59.287 ALL THE CHAPTERS OF MY BOOK, AND
01:20 - 00.922 I TITLED ONE CHAPTER "KNOW WHEN
01:21 - 02.490 TO HOLD 'EM, KNOW WHEN TO FOLD
01:21 - 02.958 'EM."
01:21 - 05.427 AND I BELIEVE THAT I ALWAYS DID.
01:21 - 06.928 AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE
01:21 - 08.496 PATRIOT EDITORIAL, I MADE
01:21 - 10.298 PROGRESS ON EVERY ISSUE I CARED
01:21 - 12.167 ABOUT AND EVERY ISSUE I PROMISED
01:21 - 13.735 I WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT
01:21 - 15.537 BECAUSE I DID KNOW WHEN TO HOLD
01:21 - 17.939 THEM AND WHEN TO DRAW A LINE IN
01:21 - 18.673 THE SAND.
01:21 - 20.542 AND I DID EDUCATION FUNDING --
01:21 - 22.344 THREE TIMES, I DREW A LINE IN
01:21 - 24.212 THE SAND, AND EACH TIME, I WON
01:21 - 25.647 SIGNIFICANT INCREASES.
01:21 - 27.816 WE WERE THE ONLY STATE IN THE
01:21 - 30.185 UNION IN '08 AND '09 TO INCREASE
01:21 - 32.254 FUNDING FOR BASIC EDUCATION
01:21 - 34.222 BECAUSE IT WAS THAT IMPORTANT TO
01:21 - 35.657 PENNSYLVANIA'S FUTURE.
01:21 - 37.792 AND THAT'S WHAT WE FOUGHT FOR.
01:21 - 39.961 ON OTHER THINGS, I KNEW WHEN TO
01:21 - 41.663 COMPROMISE, AND WE MADE
01:21 - 42.530 PROGRESS.
01:21 - 44.099 AND EVEN IN THE END, ON
01:21 - 46.101 EDUCATION, WE WOULD COMPROMISE.
01:21 - 50.639 I WOULD WANT "X" INCREASE, AND I
01:21 - 52.841 WOULD SETTLE FOR 60% OF "X."
01:21 - 55.110 BUT IT WAS 60% MORE THAN THEY
01:21 - 56.645 WANTED TO GIVE US.
01:21 - 58.446 >> DID YOU USE THAT LATE-BUDGET
01:21 - 00.015 THING AS KIND OF A TACTIC?
01:22 - 02.317 >> SURE.
01:22 - 04.986 AND THE LEGISLATURE WOULD ALWAYS
01:22 - 07.489 PLAY INTO MY HANDS 'CAUSE THEY
01:22 - 09.057 WOULD LEAVE TOWN.
01:22 - 10.258 THERE WAS NO BUDGET.
01:22 - 11.793 PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING PAID.
01:22 - 13.094 THEY WOULD LEAVE TOWN.
01:22 - 15.363 AND I MADE IT A POINT TO STAY IN
01:22 - 16.331 HARRISBURG.
01:22 - 18.133 IN FACT, ONE TIME, IT HAD
01:22 - 19.901 ACTUALLY BROKE MY HEART.
01:22 - 22.037 I HAD TO CANCEL -- MIDGE AND I
01:22 - 24.239 HAD PLANNED A SAFARI TO AFRICA,
01:22 - 27.475 AND I HAD NEVER BEEN -- NO, I
01:22 - 28.510 DON'T THINK I'D EVER BEEN TO
01:22 - 29.611 AFRICA, CERTAINLY NOT TO THAT
01:22 - 30.245 PART OF AFRICA.
01:22 - 31.579 AND I LOVE ANIMALS.
01:22 - 33.682 AND I WAS DYING TO GO ON SAFARI.
01:22 - 35.517 SHE WENT WITH HER SISTER AND
01:22 - 37.552 BROTHER-IN-LAW, AND I STAYED IN
01:22 - 38.453 HARRISBURG.
01:22 - 40.255 BUT I WOULD STAY IN HARRISBURG,
01:22 - 41.990 AND I'D BE THERE SATURDAYS AND
01:22 - 43.725 SUNDAYS, AND I'D ALWAYS INVITE
01:22 - 45.427 THE PRESS UP TO INTERVIEW ME,
01:22 - 47.128 SITTING IN HARRISBURG, IN THE
01:22 - 48.563 DEAD OF THE SUMMER, ON A
01:22 - 50.365 SATURDAY OR A SUNDAY, YOU KNOW,
01:22 - 51.967 TO MAKE THE POINT THAT "I'M
01:22 - 53.301 HERE, WHERE ARE THEY?"
01:22 - 56.037 SO, YEAH, I MEAN, AND WE RALLIED
01:22 - 58.707 THE TROOPS, AND IT WAS AMAZING,
01:22 - 01.476 ALTHOUGH WE -- PARTICULARLY FROM
01:23 - 04.079 STATE WORKERS, WE GOT A LOT OF
01:23 - 06.815 GRIEF FOR NOT HAVING A CONTRACT,
01:23 - 08.450 BUT FROM PEOPLE WITH KIDS IN
01:23 - 10.218 PENNSYLVANIA SCHOOLS, THEY KNEW
01:23 - 11.953 WHAT WE WERE FIGHTING FOR, AND
01:23 - 13.388 WE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT.
01:23 - 14.923 >> WHAT CAUSED IT TO DRAG OUT
01:23 - 15.757 FOR 101 DAYS?
01:23 - 17.292 WHAT WERE THE ISSUES, AND WHO
01:23 - 18.159 FINALLY CAVED?
01:23 - 20.762 >> MONEY WAS THE ISSUE.
01:23 - 22.397 THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T WANT TO
01:23 - 23.999 SPEND MORE MONEY ON EDUCATION.
01:23 - 25.133 I DID.
01:23 - 29.371 AND AS I SAID, I DON'T THINK I
01:23 - 31.172 EVER GOT 100% OF WHAT I WANTED,
01:23 - 32.874 BUT AT A TIME WHEN NO ONE WAS
01:23 - 34.642 GETTING INCREASES IN EDUCATION
01:23 - 36.344 FUNDING, THAT EVERY STATE WAS
01:23 - 38.113 SLASHING EDUCATION FUNDING, WE
01:23 - 39.748 ACTUALLY INCREASED EDUCATION
01:23 - 40.415 FUNDING.
01:23 - 42.917 SO, DID WE WIN?
01:23 - 44.853 YEAH, WE WON, BUT WE DIDN'T GET
01:23 - 46.688 CLOSE TO 100% OF WHAT WE WERE
01:23 - 47.555 ASKING FOR.
01:23 - 49.057 >> WAS IT AT ALL EMBARRASSING?
01:23 - 50.458 IT WAS A NATIONAL STORY WHEN
01:23 - 51.493 PENNSYLVANIA WAS --
01:23 - 51.993 >> NAH.
01:23 - 56.064 YOU HAVE TO -- YOU HAVE TO CARE
01:23 - 57.198 ENOUGH ABOUT SOME THINGS TO
01:23 - 59.000 FIGHT FOR THEM.
01:23 - 00.402 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T FOLD
01:24 - 02.937 BECAUSE -- IN THE END, NO ONE
01:24 - 03.638 GOT HARMED.
01:24 - 05.073 THE STATE EMPLOYEES GOT ALL
01:24 - 06.041 THEIR MONEY BACK.
01:24 - 07.042 NOBODY GOT HARMED.
01:24 - 08.343 NOBODY LOST THEIR HOUSE.
01:24 - 10.478 AND IN THE END, PENNSYLVANIA
01:24 - 12.881 EDUCATION -- I MEAN, WHEN I LEFT
01:24 - 15.283 OFFICE, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT
01:24 - 17.619 RANKED US FOURTH-BEST IN PUBLIC
01:24 - 18.586 EDUCATION.
01:24 - 20.989 OUR EIGHTH-GRADERS IN 2010, ON
01:24 - 22.991 THE NATIONAL TEST, FINISHED
01:24 - 25.326 NUMBER ONE OUT OF THE 50 STATES.
01:24 - 27.228 THE EDUCATION RESEARCH COUNCIL,
01:24 - 29.064 A THINK TANK IN WASHINGTON WHO
01:24 - 30.999 HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, SAID
01:24 - 32.834 THAT PENNSYLVANIA WAS THE ONLY
01:24 - 34.569 STATE IN THE UNION DURING MY
01:24 - 36.471 EIGHT YEARS AS GOVERNOR TO MAKE
01:24 - 38.406 PROGRESS ON THE NATIONAL TEST IN
01:24 - 40.308 EVERY SUBJECT MATTER TESTED AND
01:24 - 42.177 EVERY GRADE LEVEL TESTED -- THE
01:24 - 43.711 ONLY STATE IN THE UNION.
01:24 - 45.413 WAS IT WORTH FIGHTING FOR? YEAH.
01:24 - 46.948 WAS IT WORTH BEING A NATIONAL
01:24 - 47.449 STORY?
01:24 - 48.450 YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
01:24 - 51.453 >> DID IT USUALLY EVENTUALLY
01:24 - 52.720 COME DOWN TO YOU AND
01:24 - 54.522 SENATOR SCARNATI GOING KIND OF
01:24 - 55.323 TOE-TO-TOE?
01:24 - 57.459 >> NO, IT WAS ME AND THE SENATE
01:24 - 59.427 LEADERSHIP, SENATOR PILEGGI,
01:24 - 01.563 SENATOR SCARNATI, AND THE HOUSE
01:25 - 03.698 LEADERSHIP, WHICH IN THOSE DAYS
01:25 - 06.534 WAS...
01:25 - 07.969 >> WAS KEITH McCALL SPEAKER AT
01:25 - 08.470 THAT --
01:25 - 11.106 >> WELL, DENNY O'BRIEN WAS FOR A
01:25 - 13.675 WHILE, BUT MOST OF THE TIME, IT
01:25 - 16.111 WAS SAM SMITH, THE REPUBLICAN
01:25 - 18.646 SPEAKER.
01:25 - 19.781 >> WHAT WERE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS
01:25 - 20.115 LIKE?
01:25 - 21.282 AND WERE THERE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE
01:25 - 22.450 WOULD STORM OUT OF THE ROOM AND
01:25 - 23.051 SLAM THE DOOR?
01:25 - 25.687 >> YEAH. THERE WERE TIMES.
01:25 - 27.489 BUT THE NEGOTIATIONS -- I MEAN,
01:25 - 29.157 THEY KNEW WHAT MY PRIORITIES
01:25 - 30.758 WERE, AND I KNEW WHAT THEIR
01:25 - 32.260 POLITICAL REALITIES WERE.
01:25 - 33.661 AND WE TRIED TO FIT MY
01:25 - 35.497 PRIORITIES AND THEIR POLITICAL
01:25 - 36.297 REALITIES.
01:25 - 38.299 AND, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE
01:25 - 40.368 COMPROMISED ON EVERYTHING AND
01:25 - 41.569 GOT A LOT DONE.
01:25 - 43.872 AND I WOULD -- BOY, I'LL TELL
01:25 - 46.241 YOU, EXCEPT FOR THE PAY RAISE,
01:25 - 48.409 THERE IS NOTHING I WOULD DO
01:25 - 50.345 DIFFERENTLY.
01:25 - 51.246 YOU COULD GO BACK.
01:25 - 52.881 I MEAN, MAYBE THE FIRST YEAR
01:25 - 54.482 WHEN WE HAD THAT TWO-PRONGED
01:25 - 56.217 BUDGET THAT MY STAFF CONVINCED
01:25 - 56.918 ME TO DO.
01:25 - 57.986 I WAS AGAINST IT.
01:25 - 59.621 I SHOULD NEVER HAVE LET THEM
01:25 - 01.322 CONVINCE ME TO DO IT, BUT THAT
01:26 - 02.757 DIDN'T DO ANY REAL HARM.
01:26 - 04.592 BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I REGRET
01:26 - 06.361 IN MY EIGHT YEARS IN HARRISBURG
01:26 - 07.462 IS THE PAY RAISE.
01:26 - 09.230 AND I TURNED DOWN THE PAY RAISE
01:26 - 10.965 IN 2005, BUT IN 2006, THEY CAME
01:26 - 12.800 TO ME AND SAID, "IF YOU DON'T DO
01:26 - 14.502 THIS, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU
01:26 - 15.470 GET RE-ELECTED.
01:26 - 16.804 YOU'LL NEVER GET ANYTHING
01:26 - 18.106 THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE."
01:26 - 19.340 AND THAT WAS DEMOCRATS AND
01:26 - 20.008 REPUBLICANS.
01:26 - 22.510 AND THE PAY RAISE WAS FAR TOO
01:26 - 25.346 MUCH MONEY, IT WAS FAR TOO BIG,
01:26 - 30.185 IT WAS AT A BAD TIME, AND I
01:26 - 32.320 THOUGHT -- I BUCKLED UNDER THE
01:26 - 33.154 PRESSURE.
01:26 - 36.558 I WUSSED OUT, AND I SIGNED IT.
01:26 - 37.892 AND I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
01:26 - 39.260 I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT, IN THE
01:26 - 40.461 END, THEY COULDN'T HAVE NOT
01:26 - 41.229 PASSED ANYTHING.
01:26 - 42.830 I SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN THERE,
01:26 - 44.332 AND I WOULD HAVE HELPED THEM
01:26 - 46.167 BECAUSE MOST OF THE LEADERS WHO
01:26 - 48.002 WERE YELLING AT ME, THREATENING
01:26 - 49.470 ME, LOST THEIR POSITION.
01:26 - 50.872 AND THEY WERE VOTED OUT OF
01:26 - 51.406 OFFICE.
01:26 - 53.174 I WASN'T. THEY WERE.
01:26 - 56.144 AND I DIDN'T TAKE THE -- AS YOU
01:26 - 57.745 RECALL, I DIDN'T TAKE THE
01:26 - 58.479 INCREASE.
01:26 - 00.081 AND I WROTE A BUDGET -- A
01:27 - 01.950 SIGNING MESSAGE -- YOU USUALLY
01:27 - 03.351 WROTE A VETO MESSAGE.
01:27 - 04.619 I WROTE A SIGNING MESSAGE
01:27 - 06.187 SAYING, "I DON'T THINK THIS IS A
01:27 - 07.589 GOOD THING, I THINK IT'S TOO
01:27 - 08.823 MUCH, BUT I'M SIGNING IT
01:27 - 10.358 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I NEED IT TO
01:27 - 11.893 MAINTAIN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE
01:27 - 12.660 LEGISLATURE."
01:27 - 14.362 THAT WAS NOT A GOOD EXCUSE.
01:27 - 16.064 I SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED IT.
01:27 - 17.899 >> I WANT TO GO DOWN A LIST OF
01:27 - 19.801 JUST -- SAY SOME NAMES AND HAVE
01:27 - 21.703 YOU GIVE A COMMENT OR TWO ABOUT
01:27 - 23.304 YOUR RECOLLECTIONS OF THE
01:27 - 25.173 PEOPLE.
01:27 - 26.507 JACK WAGNER.
01:27 - 28.676 >> JACK WAGNER? JACK...
01:27 - 30.378 >> HE WAS AUDITOR GENERAL DURING
01:27 - 31.412 SOME OF YOUR TERM?
01:27 - 33.081 >> SOME OF MY TERM, AND SENATOR
01:27 - 33.982 FOR SOME OF IT.
01:27 - 39.220 JACK IS A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT,
01:27 - 44.459 YOU KNOW, SOLID GUY, PROBABLY
01:27 - 48.129 NEVER MADE THE OFFICES THAT HE
01:27 - 49.530 WOULD HAVE LIKED, EITHER MAYOR
01:27 - 50.798 OF PITTSBURGH OR GOVERNOR.
01:27 - 52.400 BUT HE HAD A GOOD RUN AS AN
01:27 - 55.670 AUDITOR GENERAL.
01:27 - 57.538 >> JOHN STREET -- WHEN HE WAS
01:27 - 59.274 MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE MUCH...
01:27 - 00.575 >> NO.
01:28 - 02.310 WELL, I WAS GOVERNOR FOR PART OF
01:28 - 02.977 THE TIME.
01:28 - 04.512 JOHN STREET -- FIRST OF ALL,
01:28 - 06.180 WHEN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF
01:28 - 07.782 PHILADELPHIA IS WRITTEN, JOHN
01:28 - 09.484 STREET SHOULD GO DOWN AS ONE OF
01:28 - 11.052 ITS GREAT HEROES, NOT SO MUCH
01:28 - 12.654 FOR THE WORK HE DID AS MAYOR,
01:28 - 14.355 BUT FOR THE WORK HE DID AS CITY
01:28 - 15.857 COUNCIL PRESIDENT DURING MY
01:28 - 17.058 EIGHT YEARS AS MAYOR.
01:28 - 18.760 IF I DIDN'T HAVE JOHN STREET AS
01:28 - 20.395 COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I COULDN'T
01:28 - 22.063 HAVE DONE VIRTUALLY ANY OF THE
01:28 - 23.698 THINGS THAT I DID TO TURN THE
01:28 - 25.266 DESTINY OF THIS CITY AROUND.
01:28 - 27.135 THE NEW YORK TIMES HAD THAT
01:28 - 29.237 FAMOUS QUOTE THAT WHAT WE DID IN
01:28 - 31.172 PHILADELPHIA WAS PROBABLY THE
01:28 - 32.974 MOST STUNNING MUNICIPAL
01:28 - 35.076 TURNAROUND IN URBAN HISTORY.
01:28 - 36.311 THAT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
01:28 - 37.645 WITHOUT JOHN STREET'S LEADERSHIP
01:28 - 38.579 AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
01:28 - 40.348 AS MAYOR, HE DID A LOT OF GOOD
01:28 - 42.183 THINGS, INCLUDING SOME POWERFUL
01:28 - 43.818 THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
01:28 - 45.653 LETTING CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT
01:28 - 46.521 CONTINUE.
01:28 - 48.656 BUT THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM GOT
01:28 - 50.692 ENMESHED IN SCANDALS, AND IT
01:28 - 52.627 MADE JOHN STREET LOOK BAD.
01:28 - 54.062 BUT HE WAS A MUCH BETTER MAYOR
01:28 - 55.330 THAN THE CITIZENS GIVE HIM
01:28 - 55.997 CREDIT FOR.
01:28 - 57.432 >> MICHAEL NUTTER.
01:28 - 59.267 >> MIKE NUTTER -- TREMENDOUS
01:28 - 01.069 CHEERLEADER, LIKE I WAS, AS
01:29 - 03.037 MAYOR, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN
01:29 - 05.106 THAT RESPECT, HAS DONE WONDERFUL
01:29 - 07.075 THINGS FOR THIS CITY IN MAKING
01:29 - 09.043 IT GREENER AND MORE ATTRACTIVE
01:29 - 12.013 TO YOUNG PEOPLE, BUT WAS HANDED
01:29 - 13.915 A VERY DIFFICULT HAND TO PLAY
01:29 - 15.683 WITH BEING MAYOR DURING THE
01:29 - 17.719 RECESSION AND HAS FAILED IN A
01:29 - 18.786 LOT OF AREAS.
01:29 - 20.955 A LOT OF THOSE FAILURES WEREN'T
01:29 - 22.256 OF HIS OWN DOING.
01:29 - 24.726 BUT HE'LL PROBABLY GO DOWN AS A
01:29 - 27.295 MODERATELY SUCCESSFUL MAYOR, BUT
01:29 - 29.497 NOT VERY SUCCESSFUL, AGAIN,
01:29 - 31.199 BECAUSE THEY FAILED IN GREAT
01:29 - 33.134 PART BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
01:29 - 35.670 THE CITY REVENUES JUST, AGAIN,
01:29 - 37.472 WENT DOWN THE TUBES.
01:29 - 39.307 >> PAT TOOMEY.
01:29 - 40.708 >> I LIKE PAT TOOMEY.
01:29 - 42.310 PAT TOOMEY'S A GOOD GUY.
01:29 - 43.978 HE'S FAR TOO CONSERVATIVE.
01:29 - 47.882 HE'S GOT THE WRONG VIEW OF
01:29 - 48.449 GOVERNMENT.
01:29 - 49.584 HE THINKS GOVERNMENT'S THE
01:29 - 49.984 ENEMY.
01:29 - 50.852 IT ISN'T THE ENEMY.
01:29 - 53.488 IT SHOULD BE RUN EFFECTIVELY AND
01:29 - 55.857 EFFICIENTLY, BUT WHEN IT IS,
01:29 - 58.059 GOVERNMENT CAN HELP PEOPLE
01:29 - 59.360 DRAMATICALLY.
01:29 - 03.297 BUT PAT'S A DECENT HUMAN BEING.
01:30 - 05.933 AND I THOUGHT WHAT HE DID ON THE
01:30 - 08.336 UNIFORM BACKGROUND CHECKS WAS
01:30 - 10.905 VERY COURAGEOUS, AND I SAID SO.
01:30 - 13.241 AND I LIKE PAT.
01:30 - 14.675 I'LL PROBABLY WORK PRETTY HARD
01:30 - 16.110 TO DEFEAT HIM FOR RE-ELECTION,
01:30 - 16.944 BUT I LIKE HIM.
01:30 - 18.646 >> BARBARA HAFER.
01:30 - 20.815 >> BARBARA HAFER WAS A TERRIFIC
01:30 - 22.049 PUBLIC SERVANT.
01:30 - 23.918 SHE WAS A TERRIFIC AUDITOR
01:30 - 26.154 GENERAL, AND SHE WOULD HAVE MADE
01:30 - 28.389 A GOOD SENATOR, A GOOD GOVERNOR.
01:30 - 30.625 IN PART, I REGRET -- BARBARA WAS
01:30 - 32.627 HELPFUL TO ME WHEN I RAN FOR
01:30 - 34.695 GOVERNOR, AND I REGRET THAT I
01:30 - 36.931 HAD TO GO TO HER AND ASK HER NOT
01:30 - 38.332 TO RUN FOR SENATE.
01:30 - 40.301 BUT BARBARA I'M NOT SURE WOULD
01:30 - 42.270 HAVE BEATEN RICK SANTORUM, AND
01:30 - 44.238 BOB CASEY I WAS PRETTY CERTAIN
01:30 - 44.872 WOULD.
01:30 - 46.874 AND BY THE WAY, BOB CASEY AND I
01:30 - 48.976 BECAME -- AND STILL ARE TODAY --
01:30 - 50.311 TREMENDOUS FRIENDS.
01:30 - 52.647 THAT ELECTION TURNED OUT RIGHT.
01:30 - 54.348 HE WASN'T READY TO BE GOVERNOR
01:30 - 56.150 AT THAT TIME LIKE I WASN'T READY
01:30 - 57.819 TO BE GOVERNOR WHEN I LOST TO
01:30 - 58.986 HIS FATHER IN 1986.
01:30 - 00.822 AND HE'S BEEN A GREAT SENATOR.
01:31 - 02.623 AND HE LIKES SENATOR MUCH MORE
01:31 - 04.125 THAN HE WOULD HAVE LIKED
01:31 - 04.859 GOVERNOR.
01:31 - 06.160 AND I WOULD HAVE LIKED BEING
01:31 - 07.595 GOVERNOR MUCH MORE THAN I WOULD
01:31 - 08.763 HAVE LIKED BEING SENATOR.
01:31 - 10.765 >> BOB MELLOW.
01:31 - 13.000 >> BOB MELLOW WAS A VERY
01:31 - 15.870 SKILLFUL POLITICIAN WITH A TOTAL
01:31 - 18.573 DISREGARD FOR THE BASIC VALUES
01:31 - 20.441 THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
01:31 - 22.577 HE HAD A TREMENDOUS ARROGANCE OF
01:31 - 24.512 POWER AND THOUGHT HE COULD DO
01:31 - 26.347 ANYTHING HE WANTED, AND YOU
01:31 - 27.849 CAN'T IN PUBLIC LIFE.
01:31 - 29.817 AND HE PAID FOR IT DEARLY.
01:31 - 31.018 >> BILL DeWEESE.
01:31 - 33.454 >> BILL DeWEESE -- TERRIFIC GUY,
01:31 - 35.289 FIGHTER FOR LIBERAL AND
01:31 - 37.692 PROGRESSIVE CAUSES, A GUY WITH A
01:31 - 39.594 LOT OF COURAGE AND GUTS.
01:31 - 42.029 HE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE
01:31 - 44.165 LINE BETWEEN POLITICS AND
01:31 - 46.367 GOVERNMENT, AND IN CERTAIN
01:31 - 48.870 AREAS, THEY HAVE TO SEPARATED.
01:31 - 50.538 I FELT SORRY FOR BILL BECAUSE I
01:31 - 52.139 DON'T THINK HE WAS MALEVOLENT.
01:31 - 53.407 I KNOW HE DIDN'T PROFIT
01:31 - 54.842 PERSONALLY FROM ANY OF THE
01:31 - 56.377 THINGS THAT HE DID, WHERE HE
01:31 - 57.979 USED STATE MONEY FOR POLITICS.
01:31 - 59.914 AND I WAS SORRY TO SEE HIM GO TO
01:31 - 01.749 JAIL FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF
01:32 - 02.250 TIME.
01:32 - 03.951 BUT IN TYPICAL BILL DeWEESE
01:32 - 05.753 FASHION, HE'S OUT NOW AND HE'S
01:32 - 07.488 FULL OF PISS AND VINEGAR AND
01:32 - 09.056 HE'S GONNA TRY TO BUILD A
01:32 - 10.992 SUCCESSFUL AND FRUITFUL LIFE FOR
01:32 - 12.660 HIMSELF AND I HOPE HE DOES.
01:32 - 14.428 >> CATHERINE BAKER KNOLL, YOUR
01:32 - 15.696 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.
01:32 - 17.598 >> CATHERINE WAS A VERY DECENT
01:32 - 19.233 PERSON WITH ALL THE RIGHT
01:32 - 19.867 VALUES.
01:32 - 21.402 SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
01:32 - 22.737 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.
01:32 - 24.539 WE HAVE A TERRIBLE SYSTEM IN
01:32 - 26.274 PENNSYLVANIA THAT SHOULD BE
01:32 - 26.974 CHANGED.
01:32 - 28.976 THE GOVERNOR AND THE LIEUTENANT
01:32 - 30.878 GOVERNOR RUN AS A TEAM IN THE
01:32 - 32.813 GENERAL ELECTION, BUT THEY RUN
01:32 - 37.652 INDEPENDENTLY IN THE PRIMARY.
01:32 - 39.520 NOW, CATHERINE DIDN'T DO ANY
01:32 - 41.455 HARM AT ALL, AND SHE DID SOME
01:32 - 43.224 GOOD IN SENIOR CENTERS, ET
01:32 - 43.891 CETERA.
01:32 - 45.993 BUT AT THAT POINT IN HER CAREER,
01:32 - 48.062 SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE ENERGY AND
01:32 - 50.197 THE MENTAL ACUMEN, TO BE A REAL
01:32 - 51.966 HELP TO ME IN RUNNING THE
01:32 - 52.900 GOVERNMENT.
01:32 - 54.635 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
01:32 - 56.804 TOTALITY OF HER SERVICE AS STATE
01:32 - 58.472 TREASURER AND WHATEVER,
01:32 - 00.374 CATHERINE WAS A GOOD PUBLIC
01:33 - 01.142 SERVANT.
01:33 - 02.777 BUT SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AND
01:33 - 04.312 WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MY CHOICE
01:33 - 05.613 FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.
01:33 - 07.248 IF I HAD THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE,
01:33 - 08.916 I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN SOMEONE LIKE
01:33 - 10.585 AN ALLEN KUKOVICH, A VERY SMART,
01:33 - 12.486 CAPABLE STATE LEGISLATOR.
01:33 - 13.688 >> AND WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY,
01:33 - 14.689 SENATOR SCARNATI BECAME
01:33 - 15.590 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.
01:33 - 16.090 >> RIGHT.
01:33 - 17.325 >> DID YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
01:33 - 17.925 HIM CHANGE?
01:33 - 18.926 DID HE HAVE ANY ROLE AS
01:33 - 19.827 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR?
01:33 - 20.261 >> NAH.
01:33 - 22.730 I MEAN, IT'S A SILLY SYSTEM.
01:33 - 24.532 IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A
01:33 - 26.901 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AT ALL, YOU
01:33 - 29.604 SHOULD HAVE THE CANDIDATE FOR
01:33 - 31.038 GOVERNOR PICK THAT LIEUTENANT
01:33 - 32.540 GOVERNMENT IN THE PRIMARY, AND
01:33 - 34.108 THEY SHOULD RUN AS A TEAM IN THE
01:33 - 34.642 PRIMARY.
01:33 - 36.110 AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED
01:33 - 37.645 TO THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, YOU
01:33 - 39.180 SHOULD HAVE THE GOVERNOR SUBMIT
01:33 - 40.615 A NAME TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR
01:33 - 42.083 APPROVAL AS THE NEW LIEUTENANT
01:33 - 43.484 GOVERNOR, MUCH AS WE DO WITH
01:33 - 44.919 PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.
01:33 - 45.853 >> AND TOM CORBETT.
01:33 - 47.321 TOM CORBETT WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL
01:33 - 48.556 THROUGH MUCH OF YOUR TERM.
01:33 - 49.890 >> WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP
01:33 - 51.292 WHEN TOM WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL.
01:33 - 52.793 THERE WERE SOME THINGS WE
01:33 - 54.562 DISAGREED IN IDEOLOGICALLY, BUT
01:33 - 55.963 BASICALLY WE HAD A GOOD
01:33 - 57.832 RELATIONSHIP, AND I THINK HE'S A
01:33 - 58.499 GOOD MAN.
01:33 - 00.167 I THINK HE SIGNED THAT SILLY
01:34 - 01.102 NO-TAX PLEDGE.
01:34 - 03.037 HE'S WRONG ABOUT SHALE.
01:34 - 05.473 PENNSYLVANIA, HAD WE TAXED THE
01:34 - 07.975 SHALE COMPANIES, WHICH I WANTED
01:34 - 12.713 TO DO IN '08 -- '08, '09, '10,
01:34 - 14.382 '11, '12, '13, '14 --
01:34 - 16.584 PENNSYLVANIA WOULD HAVE HAD
01:34 - 18.953 ABOUT $7 BILLION MORE SPENT ON
01:34 - 21.155 EDUCATION AND OTHER THINGS.
01:34 - 22.857 THAT'S A TRAGIC MISTAKE BY
01:34 - 24.659 GOVERNOR CORBETT, BUT HE'S A
01:34 - 26.560 DECENT MAN, AND HE WANTS TO DO
01:34 - 27.094 WELL.
01:34 - 28.696 AGAIN, I WOULD NEVER SAY A BAD
01:34 - 30.231 WORD ABOUT HIM 'CAUSE I DON'T
01:34 - 31.532 BELIEVE IN THAT, BUT I'M
01:34 - 33.034 HELPING -- AT THIS TIME, I'M
01:34 - 34.635 HELPING TOM WOLF TRY TO BECOME
01:34 - 35.269 GOVERNOR.
01:34 - 36.871 >> YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU
01:34 - 38.539 REFRAINED FROM CRITICIZING HIM
01:34 - 40.007 DURING HIS EARLY YEARS AS
01:34 - 40.675 GOVERNOR.
01:34 - 41.609 WHY?
01:34 - 44.045 >> 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT ONE
01:34 - 46.681 GOVERNOR -- I BELIEVE THERE'S A
01:34 - 49.250 TIME IN STATE EMERGENCIES WHEN
01:34 - 51.886 GOVERNORS HAVE TO ACT TOGETHER.
01:34 - 54.455 AND ALL FOUR EX-GOVERNORS, FOR
01:34 - 56.924 EXAMPLE, SENT A LETTER TO THE
01:34 - 59.760 LEGISLATURE ON MERIT SELECTION
01:34 - 00.995 OF JUDGES.
01:35 - 02.697 ALL GOVERNORS SENT A LETTER TO
01:35 - 04.031 THE LEGISLATURE ON THE
01:35 - 05.266 TRANSPORTATION BILL.
01:35 - 07.268 SO, I WANTED TO PRESERVE THAT
01:35 - 09.003 ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER.
01:35 - 11.072 PLUS, I THINK IT'S UNSEEMLY TO
01:35 - 13.140 SAY -- I REMEMBER WHEN
01:35 - 15.509 FRANK RIZZO BECAME -- LEFT THE
01:35 - 16.877 MAYOR'S OFFICE.
01:35 - 18.579 HE HAD A RADIO SHOW.
01:35 - 19.980 AND IF SOMEONE CALLED IN AND
01:35 - 21.348 COMPLAINED ABOUT SOMETHING,
01:35 - 22.817 FRANK RIZZO WOULD ALWAYS SAY,
01:35 - 24.218 "WASN'T LIKE THAT WHEN I WAS
01:35 - 24.719 MAYOR."
01:35 - 25.653 THAT WAS HIS ANSWER TO
01:35 - 26.187 EVERYTHING.
01:35 - 28.155 I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST LACKING
01:35 - 30.191 IN GRACE, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE
01:35 - 33.160 SOMEONE WHO HARPED AT MY
01:35 - 33.961 SUCCESSOR.
01:35 - 36.664 I DID COME UP ON THE -- WHEN
01:35 - 39.500 THEY WANTED TO APPLY THE ASSET
01:35 - 42.470 TEST TO FOOD STAMPS, I CAME UP,
01:35 - 45.239 AND I HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE
01:35 - 46.540 AGAINST IT.
01:35 - 48.075 IT WAS AN INITIATIVE OF THE
01:35 - 49.677 CORBETT ADMINISTRATION, BUT I
01:35 - 51.378 DIDN'T SAY GOVERNOR CORBETT WAS
01:35 - 52.847 A BAD OR UNFEELING MAN, ET
01:35 - 54.515 CETERA, ET CETERA, AND I WON'T
01:35 - 56.183 DO THAT IN THIS FALL CAMPAIGN.
01:35 - 57.985 WE'RE FILMING THIS IN LATE
01:35 - 00.154 AUGUST OF '14, AND THERE'S ABOUT
01:36 - 02.189 TO BE A CAMPAIGN, TOM WOLF VS.
01:36 - 03.624 GOVERNOR CORBETT FOR
01:36 - 04.625 RE-ELECTION.
01:36 - 06.894 AND I'LL SAY GOOD THINGS ABOUT
01:36 - 09.096 TOM WOLF AND THINGS WHERE THE
01:36 - 11.499 POLICY IN HARRISBURG NEEDS TO BE
01:36 - 13.834 CHANGED, BUT NO ONE'S GONNA GET
01:36 - 16.036 ME TO SAY TOM CORBETT'S A BAD
01:36 - 16.537 MAN.
01:36 - 17.304 HE ISN'T.
01:36 - 19.340 >> WHEN YOUR TERM WAS WINDING
01:36 - 21.509 DOWN IN ITS FINAL YEAR OR FINAL
01:36 - 23.611 MONTHS AND CABINET SECRETARIES
01:36 - 25.713 WERE LEAVING, WHAT WAS UNDONE,
01:36 - 27.782 AND DID YOU WISH YOU HAD FOUR
01:36 - 29.817 MORE YEARS TO GET MORE THINGS
01:36 - 30.417 DONE?
01:36 - 31.986 >> WELL, SURE, BUT IF I HAD
01:36 - 33.554 SERVED 12 YEARS, IN MY 12th
01:36 - 35.356 YEAR, I WOULD HAVE WISHED THAT I
01:36 - 37.057 HAD 4 MORE YEARS TO GET THINGS
01:36 - 38.893 DONE 'CAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS NEW
01:36 - 40.694 CHALLENGES, ALWAYS THINGS THAT I
01:36 - 42.496 WOULD HAVE LIKED -- I WOULD HAVE
01:36 - 44.265 LIKED TO HAVE PRESIDED OVER THE
01:36 - 45.766 CONTINUED ENERGY BOOM THAT
01:36 - 47.001 STARTED ON MY WATCH.
01:36 - 48.803 I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN
01:36 - 50.271 THE GOVERNOR TO FASHION A
01:36 - 52.106 TRANSPORTATION BILL THAT FINALLY
01:36 - 53.908 GOT THINGS DONE, AND ACT 79 DID
01:36 - 55.643 THAT.
01:36 - 56.844 I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE
01:36 - 57.978 CONTINUED TO REBUILD OUR
01:36 - 59.380 INFRASTRUCTURE, AND NOT JUST OUR
01:36 - 00.748 TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
01:37 - 03.117 I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO CONTINUE
01:37 - 05.419 TO PUSH US TO BE THE GREENEST
01:37 - 07.054 STATE IN THE UNION.
01:37 - 09.557 AND WE WERE THE ONLY STATE NAMED
01:37 - 11.525 BY THE EPA IN THE TOP 20
01:37 - 13.894 INSTITUTIONS FOR THEIR OWN USE
01:37 - 15.329 OF GREEN ENERGY.
01:37 - 16.831 I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE
01:37 - 18.532 CONTINUED TO PUSH ALL OF THOSE
01:37 - 20.234 MOVEMENTS, TO CONTINUE TO PUSH
01:37 - 21.936 SOLAR AND WIND DEVELOPMENT AND
01:37 - 23.571 ALTERNATIVE-FUEL DEVELOPMENT.
01:37 - 25.406 SURE, A LOT OF THINGS UNDONE,
01:37 - 27.074 BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS -- NO
01:37 - 29.076 MATTER HOW LONG YOU SERVE, THERE
01:37 - 31.045 ARE ALWAYS THINGS THAT ARE LEFT
01:37 - 31.679 UNDONE.
01:37 - 33.414 THERE ARE ALWAYS NEW CHALLENGES.
01:37 - 34.782 >> WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT
01:37 - 36.283 THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS IN OFFICE?
01:37 - 37.551 COULD YOU GET NOTHING DONE
01:37 - 38.819 BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE WAS
01:37 - 39.220 GONE?
01:37 - 40.688 >> WELL, THE LEGISLATURE WAS --
01:37 - 42.690 AS YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE
01:37 - 44.825 GOES OUT OF EXISTENCE NOVEMBER
01:37 - 46.961 30th, SO THE LAST FEW WEEKS IN
01:37 - 48.495 OFFICE, THERE WAS NO
01:37 - 49.530 LEGISLATURE.
01:37 - 51.398 I DID A FEW ADMINISTRATIVE
01:37 - 53.601 THINGS, A FEW EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
01:37 - 56.003 BUT IT WAS MOSTLY WINDING THINGS
01:37 - 57.705 DOWN, SAYING GOODBYE.
01:37 - 01.642 I REMEMBER WE ENDED -- WE
01:38 - 05.579 STARTED OUT IN HARRISBURG
01:38 - 10.017 OPENING THE RESIDENCE THE DAY
01:38 - 13.087 AFTER THE INAUGURATION.
01:38 - 15.089 WE -- NO. I'M SORRY.
01:38 - 16.523 WAS IT THE DAY BEFORE?
01:38 - 18.192 NO. IT WAS THE DAY -- YEAH, THE
01:38 - 19.526 DAY -- NO, THE DAY AFTER
01:38 - 20.928 INAUGURATION, MY FIRST DAY
01:38 - 22.596 LIVING IN THE RESIDENCE, WE HAD
01:38 - 24.164 AN OPEN HOUSE, AND WE GREETED
01:38 - 25.766 ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO COME IN.
01:38 - 27.301 AND I THINK 2,000 OR 3,000
01:38 - 29.136 PEOPLE WENT THROUGH, AND WE WERE
01:38 - 30.804 THERE FOR FIVE OR SIX HOURS,
01:38 - 31.839 GREETING PEOPLE.
01:38 - 33.374 AND THEN I SAID GOODBYE TO
01:38 - 34.808 PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNOR'S
01:38 - 36.410 RECEPTION ROOM, ANYBODY WHO
01:38 - 37.912 WANTED TO WALK IN AND SAY
01:38 - 38.545 GOODBYE.
01:38 - 40.481 AND THEN THAT WAS, YOU KNOW,
01:38 - 42.616 TOUGH, BUT THE TOUGHEST PART WAS
01:38 - 44.718 SAYING GOODBYE TO THE STAFF AND
01:38 - 47.154 THE -- MY OWN STAFF.
01:38 - 48.923 AND WE HAD A LOT OF FAREWELL
01:38 - 49.623 DINNERS.
01:38 - 51.592 BUT THE REALLY HARDEST THING WAS
01:38 - 55.296 SAYING GOODBYE TO THE DETAIL
01:38 - 58.432 THAT PROTECTED ME AND MIDGE AND
01:38 - 00.501 JESSE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND SAYING
01:39 - 01.902 GOODBYE TO THE STAFF IN THE
01:39 - 02.569 RESIDENCE.
01:39 - 04.505 BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS ALMOST
01:39 - 06.540 BECAME MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY.
01:39 - 08.475 AND IT WAS VERY HARD SAYING
01:39 - 09.743 GOODBYE TO THEM.
01:39 - 10.945 AND IT'S FUNNY.
01:39 - 13.147 I HAVE TWO PICTURES UP FRONT IN
01:39 - 15.316 THE OFFICE OF -- ONE PICTURE OF
01:39 - 17.551 US WITH THE STAFF, THE RESIDENCE
01:39 - 19.553 STAFF, AND ONE PICTURE OF US
01:39 - 21.488 WITH THE TROOPERS THAT WERE
01:39 - 23.357 THERE FOR ALL EIGHT YEARS.
01:39 - 25.125 THERE WERE ONLY EIGHT OR NINE
01:39 - 26.994 THAT HAD SPENT ALL EIGHT YEARS
01:39 - 27.661 WITH US.
01:39 - 29.697 BUT THOSE ARE GREAT PICTURES AND
01:39 - 31.699 I KEPT THEM AND THEY'RE RIGHT ON
01:39 - 33.500 DISPLAY AS YOU COME INTO THE
01:39 - 36.470 OFFICE.
01:39 - 38.839 >> THE THING WE DID TALK ABOUT
01:39 - 41.275 LAST TIME WAS THE 2010 ELECTION
01:39 - 42.609 BETWEEN TOM CORBETT AND
01:39 - 43.410 DAN ONORATO.
01:39 - 44.945 WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT AT
01:39 - 45.379 ALL?
01:39 - 49.149 >> WELL, TO THE EXTENT THAT I
01:39 - 51.885 WOULD ADVISE DAN ONORATO ON
01:39 - 54.455 CERTAIN THINGS AFTER HE WON THE
01:39 - 55.389 PRIMARY.
01:39 - 58.058 I CONTRIBUTED SOME MONEY TO HIS
01:39 - 00.427 CAMPAIGN, AND THEN I LOANED
01:40 - 02.696 HIM -- WITH ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO
01:40 - 04.898 GO, HIS POLLSTERS SAID HE HAD A
01:40 - 06.967 SHOT -- I LOANED HIM $250,000
01:40 - 08.736 FROM MY POLITICAL ACTION
01:40 - 11.071 COMMITTEE, WITH THE KNOWLEDGE
01:40 - 12.740 THAT IF HE LOST, I'D PROBABLY
01:40 - 13.874 NEVER GET IT BACK.
01:40 - 16.710 AND [CHUCKLES] THE SAD PART IS,
01:40 - 18.112 HE LOST, AND I NEVER GOT IT
01:40 - 19.847 BACK.
01:40 - 21.749 AND THEN I DID SOME CAMPAIGNING
01:40 - 23.584 ON THE STREETS OF PHILADELPHIA
01:40 - 24.284 FOR HIM.
01:40 - 25.953 I REMEMBER WE HAD PRESIDENT
01:40 - 27.554 CLINTON IN FOR A RALLY IN
01:40 - 29.223 WEST PHILLY, AND I SPOKE AT
01:40 - 30.024 THE RALLY.
01:40 - 32.326 AND SO I DID BASICALLY WHATEVER
01:40 - 34.528 THE ONORATO FOLKS ASKED ME TO
01:40 - 35.029 DO.
01:40 - 36.764 >> WAS IT HARDER TO GET PEOPLE
01:40 - 38.499 EXCITED ABOUT IT THAN WHEN YOU
01:40 - 39.666 WERE ON THE BALLOT?
01:40 - 40.801 >> OH, WELL, SURE.
01:40 - 42.903 AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.
01:40 - 45.039 I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT -- IT'S A
01:40 - 49.309 FASCINATING POLITICAL PARADOX.
01:40 - 51.478 PEOPLE NOW THINK PENNSYLVANIA IS
01:40 - 53.447 A BLUE STATE BECAUSE THE LAST
01:40 - 55.616 FIVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS HAVE
01:40 - 57.084 ALL GONE DEMOCRATIC.
01:40 - 58.485 WE'RE NOT A BLUE STATE.
01:40 - 00.254 WE ARE A PURPLE STATE AT BEST.
01:41 - 01.822 THE LEGISLATURE IS -- BOTH
01:41 - 03.190 HOUSES ARE REPUBLICAN.
01:41 - 04.992 THE GOVERNOR IS REPUBLICAN, AND
01:41 - 06.560 ONE OF THE TWO SENATORS IS
01:41 - 07.361 REPUBLICAN.
01:41 - 09.196 SO, WE'RE DEFINITIVELY NOT A
01:41 - 11.131 BLUE STATE, AND THE ONLY TIME
01:41 - 13.067 THE DEMOCRATS WIN STATEWIDE IS
01:41 - 14.868 IN A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR WHEN
01:41 - 16.837 THERE'S A LARGE TURNOUT OR THE
01:41 - 18.739 TWO TIMES I RAN FOR GOVERNOR,
01:41 - 20.707 WHEN THERE WAS A LARGE TURNOUT
01:41 - 22.109 FROM THE PHILADELPHIA REGION.
01:41 - 25.079 SO, TOM WOLF WILL BE FACED WITH
01:41 - 27.481 THE CHALLENGE OF GETTING
01:41 - 30.284 PHILADELPHIA-REGION VOTERS TO
01:41 - 31.452 TURN OUT.
01:41 - 33.287 AND ALTHOUGH TOM'S AN EXCELLENT
01:41 - 35.189 CANDIDATE AND A TERRIFIC PERSON,
01:41 - 36.957 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING
01:41 - 38.759 IN HIS CANDIDACY, PER SE, THAT
01:41 - 40.327 WILL GET THEM TO TURN OUT.
01:41 - 42.229 WHEN I RAN, I WAS THE HOMETOWN
01:41 - 43.931 GUY, AND EVERYBODY WANTED A
01:41 - 45.766 GOVERNOR FROM THE STATE, FROM
01:41 - 47.768 PENNSYLVANIA, FROM PHILADELPHIA.
01:41 - 49.803 SO, THAT PROMPTED THE HOMETOWN
01:41 - 51.472 TURNOUT, AND NOT JUST IN
01:41 - 53.507 PHILADELPHIA, THE PHILADELPHIA
01:41 - 55.576 SUBURBS, BUT I THINK IF THERE'S
01:41 - 57.711 A STRONG DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT THIS
01:41 - 59.813 TIME, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE
01:41 - 01.882 EDUCATION ISSUE AND THE BELIEVE
01:42 - 03.617 THAT -- I THINK A CORRECT
01:42 - 05.686 BELIEF -- THAT GOVERNOR CORBETT
01:42 - 07.654 MADE CHOICES THAT RESULTED IN
01:42 - 09.690 CUTTING $1 BILLION FROM PUBLIC
01:42 - 10.557 EDUCATION.
01:42 - 15.762 SO...
01:42 - 18.765 SO, I DID FOR DAN ONORATO
01:42 - 20.434 ESSENTIALLY WHAT I DID FOR
01:42 - 22.136 TOM WOLF -- HELP RAISE HIM
01:42 - 24.071 MONEY, CAMPAIGN AS MUCH AS THEY
01:42 - 25.539 WANTED ME TO CAMPAIGN.
01:42 - 26.907 >> WELL, WHEN THE CORBETT
01:42 - 28.342 CAMPAIGN TALKED ABOUT YOUR
01:42 - 30.010 RECORD AND WERE CRITICIZING YOU
01:42 - 31.712 AS AN ISSUE DURING THE CAMPAIGN,
01:42 - 33.213 DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAD TO
01:42 - 34.748 GRAB A MICROPHONE AND DEFEND
01:42 - 35.382 YOURSELF?
01:42 - 36.917 >> WELL, I RESPONDED -- WHEN
01:42 - 38.418 THEY WERE SAYING THINGS THAT
01:42 - 39.887 WERE FACTUALLY INCORRECT, I
01:42 - 40.587 RESPONDED.
01:42 - 42.422 IF THEY SAID THAT I SPENT MONEY
01:42 - 44.091 AS GOVERNOR -- SURE, I SPENT
01:42 - 45.259 MONEY AS GOVERNOR.
01:42 - 47.528 I SPENT MONEY ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
01:42 - 49.496 WE HAD THREE INFRASTRUCTURE
01:42 - 51.632 BONDS FOR OVER $1 BILLION -- I
01:42 - 54.101 THINK $1.2 BILLION.
01:42 - 55.135 SO, I SPENT MONEY.
01:42 - 56.270 I SPENT MONEY ON OUR
01:42 - 57.671 ECONOMIC-STIMULUS PROGRAM,
01:42 - 00.440 $2.1 BILLION OF STATE MONEY THAT
01:43 - 03.177 LEVERAGED $19 BILLION OF PRIVATE
01:43 - 04.378 INVESTMENT.
01:43 - 06.313 BUT THE FACT THAT I SPENT MONEY
01:43 - 08.182 WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE
01:43 - 10.117 WERE THE NINTH-FASTEST STATE IN
01:43 - 11.952 JOB GROWTH IN MY LAST YEAR IN
01:43 - 13.387 OFFICE, THAT WE HAD AN
01:43 - 15.155 UNEMPLOYMENT RATE TWO POINTS
01:43 - 17.157 LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE,
01:43 - 18.926 THE LOWEST OF ANY INDUSTRIAL
01:43 - 21.862 STATE IN THE COUNTRY.
01:43 - 23.363 SO, IT PAID OFF.
01:43 - 24.198 IT PAID OFF.
01:43 - 25.933 THE REASON THAT OUR EDUCATIONAL
01:43 - 27.968 SCORES WERE SO GOOD IN 2010 --
01:43 - 29.570 AND I THINK IT WAS THE
01:43 - 31.538 EDUCATION RESEARCH COUNCIL IN
01:43 - 33.407 WASHINGTON, D.C., SAID THAT
01:43 - 35.509 PENNSYLVANIA WAS THE ONLY STATE
01:43 - 37.611 TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS ON
01:43 - 39.780 THE NATIONAL TEST IN EVERY GRADE
01:43 - 41.548 LEVEL TESTED AND IN EVERY
01:43 - 43.584 SUBJECT TESTED, WAS BECAUSE WE
01:43 - 46.053 INVESTED MONEY IN OUR ECONOMY,
01:43 - 48.055 IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IN
01:43 - 49.923 OUR EDUCATION, ON OUR HUMAN
01:43 - 51.091 INFRASTRUCTURE.
01:43 - 52.960 SO, NO, IF HE SAID I SPENT
01:43 - 54.695 MONEY, I WOULDN'T TRY TO
01:43 - 56.797 CRITICIZE HIM BECAUSE THAT WAS
01:43 - 57.397 TRUE.
01:43 - 59.466 IF HE SAID THAT OUR JOB-CREATION
01:43 - 01.535 RATE WAS LOW, THE I'D SAY HERE'S
01:44 - 03.503 THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR'S
01:44 - 05.405 REPORT -- PENNSYLVANIA NINTH,
01:44 - 07.541 LARGEST INDUSTRIAL -- HIGHEST
01:44 - 10.244 RATING OF ANY INDUSTRIAL STATE.
01:44 - 11.612 >> DID YOU SEE THE ELECTION AS A
01:44 - 12.446 REFERENDUM ON YOU?
01:44 - 13.847 >> NO.
01:44 - 15.816 2010 WAS MORE A REFERENDUM,
01:44 - 17.184 UNFORTUNATELY, ON
01:44 - 18.919 PRESIDENT OBAMA, ON THE
01:44 - 21.088 HEALTHCARE BILL, ET CETERA, ET
01:44 - 21.822 CETERA.
01:44 - 23.190 THOSE ARE THE REASONS.
01:44 - 24.992 I DON'T THINK IT WAS MUCH OF AN
01:44 - 26.493 ELECTION WHERE THE VOTERS
01:44 - 28.295 DECIDED BETWEEN DAN ONORATO AND
01:44 - 29.162 TOM CORBETT.
01:44 - 31.565 GOVERNOR CORBETT BENEFITED FROM
01:44 - 33.867 THE WAVE THAT WAS SWEEPING THE
01:44 - 36.203 COUNTRY, ANTI-PRESIDENT OBAMA,
01:44 - 38.639 ANTI-DEMOCRATIC PARTY, JUST LIKE
01:44 - 40.841 I BENEFITED IN 2006 FROM THE
01:44 - 43.076 ANTI-PRESIDENT BUSH WAVE THAT
01:44 - 44.278 WAS GOING ON.
01:44 - 45.846 >> DID YOU HAVE ANY
01:44 - 48.081 CONVERSATIONS WITH TOM CORBETT
01:44 - 50.417 AFTER HE WAS ELECTED, BEFORE HE
01:44 - 52.486 TOOK OFFICE, ANY ONE-ON-ONE
01:44 - 53.720 CONVERSATIONS?
01:44 - 55.656 >> WE TALKED ON A COUPLE OF
01:44 - 56.556 OCCASIONS.
01:44 - 58.458 AND I HAD PREPARED FOR THE
01:44 - 00.527 WINNER -- WHOEVER THAT WINNER
01:45 - 02.763 WAS GONNA BE -- EVERY DEPARTMENT
01:45 - 04.898 HAD PREPARED A TRANSITION MEMO
01:45 - 07.134 THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO ME, THAT I
01:45 - 09.002 LOOKED AT, THAT I WROTE OR
01:45 - 09.803 REWROTE.
01:45 - 11.905 AND WE SUBMITTED A BIG BINDER TO
01:45 - 13.840 GOVERNOR-ELECT CORBETT, AS WE
01:45 - 15.175 WOULD HAVE DONE FOR
01:45 - 16.777 GOVERNOR-ELECT ONORATO.
01:45 - 21.348 AND THEN THE BINDER WAS SO
01:45 - 22.316 DETAILED, I THINK
01:45 - 23.784 GOVERNOR CORBETT HAD VERY FEW
01:45 - 24.451 QUESTIONS.
01:45 - 25.852 >> HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM SINCE?
01:45 - 27.254 >> OH, I TALKED TO -- WELL, YOU
01:45 - 27.621 KNOW.
01:45 - 29.489 I STOOD WITH HIM IN THE ROTUNDA
01:45 - 31.291 TO ENDORSE THE TRANSPORTATION
01:45 - 32.592 BILL, AS YOU RECALL.
01:45 - 34.094 THAT WAS A VERY SEMINAL MOMENT.
01:45 - 35.562 WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING
01:45 - 36.463 DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
01:45 - 37.964 AND I CAME ALL THE WAY UP TO
01:45 - 39.633 HARRISBURG 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT
01:45 - 41.201 WAS AN INSTANCE WHERE GOVERNOR
01:45 - 42.703 CORBETT, NUMBER ONE, DID THE
01:45 - 43.470 RIGHT THING.
01:45 - 45.639 WE DESPERATELY NEEDED IT AS A
01:45 - 46.340 STATE.
01:45 - 48.542 I TRIED TO GET IT DONE IN '08,
01:45 - 50.844 '09, AND 2010, AND COULDN'T GET
01:45 - 53.180 THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE TO GO
01:45 - 53.947 FOR IT.
01:45 - 55.782 SO, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY
01:45 - 57.651 IMPORTANT THAT I COME UP.
01:45 - 59.853 EVEN THOUGH HE WAS BREAKING HIS
01:45 - 04.858 "NO TAX INCREASE" PLEDGE, I
01:46 - 05.992 THOUGHT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING
01:46 - 07.427 FOR HIM TO DO, AND I STOOD BY
01:46 - 07.828 HIM.
01:46 - 10.297 AND MIDGE AND I HAVE BEEN UP A
01:46 - 12.499 COUPLE OF OCCASIONS TO THE
01:46 - 15.102 RESIDENCE FOR THINGS THAT HAD TO
01:46 - 17.671 DO WITH THE RESIDENCE, LIKE --
01:46 - 19.506 CINDY SMYSER, WHO WAS THE
01:46 - 21.274 WONDERFUL MANAGER OF THE
01:46 - 23.477 RESIDENCE FOR FIVE GOVERNORS --
01:46 - 25.612 SHE PASSED AWAY OF CANCER, AND
01:46 - 27.481 WE ALL CHIPPED INTO HAVE A
01:46 - 29.449 STATUE MADE HONORING CINDY.
01:46 - 31.752 AND WE HAD A SATURDAY, I THINK,
01:46 - 33.787 LAST JUNE, JUNE OF 2013, IN
01:46 - 36.022 WHICH IT WAS DEDICATED, AND WE
01:46 - 38.225 ALL CAME UP FOR THE DEDICATION
01:46 - 39.126 CEREMONY.
01:46 - 40.660 AND THE GOVERNOR ACTUALLY TOOK
01:46 - 42.195 ME AROUND AND SHOWED ME SOME OF
01:46 - 43.630 THE CHANGES HE'D MADE IN THE
01:46 - 44.731 RESIDENCE AND STUFF.
01:46 - 47.200 SO, HE AND I ARE FRIENDLY, AND I
01:46 - 49.903 THINK HE'S A GOOD MAN.
01:46 - 51.271 I LIKE HIM.
01:46 - 53.006 I THINK HIS POLICIES HAVE BEEN
01:46 - 54.708 HARMFUL TO THE STATE, AND THE
01:46 - 56.309 VALUES THAT GO BEHIND THOSE
01:46 - 58.011 POLICIES ARE A LITTLE SCREWED
01:46 - 59.646 UP, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S A
01:46 - 00.180 HATER.
01:47 - 01.882 I DON'T THINK HE'S A BAD MAN,
01:47 - 03.683 AND HE'S CERTAINLY NOT CORRUPT.
01:47 - 05.419 HE'S A DECENT, HONEST,
01:47 - 07.754 HARD-WORKING GUY WHO WANTS TO DO
01:47 - 09.289 WELL FOR THE STATE.
01:47 - 11.057 >> WHEN YOU LEFT OFFICE, WHAT
01:47 - 12.926 WERE YOUR PLANS FOR THE REST OF
01:47 - 13.693 YOUR LIFE?
01:47 - 15.862 >> [ CHUCKLES ]
01:47 - 18.365 WELL, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT IT
01:47 - 20.667 WAS ABOUT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE
01:47 - 22.836 MONEY.
01:47 - 25.238 I KNEW THAT BEKA AND JESSE, MY
01:47 - 27.574 SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, WERE
01:47 - 29.843 GONNA HAVE A FAMILY AND WERE
01:47 - 33.113 GONNA HAVE A FAMILY FAIRLY SOON.
01:47 - 34.514 I KNEW THAT THERE WERE THINGS
01:47 - 36.049 THAT MIDGE WANTED TO DO IN TERMS
01:47 - 37.484 OF TRAVEL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
01:47 - 39.219 AND I'D NEVER MADE ANY REAL
01:47 - 39.820 MONEY.
01:47 - 41.621 I MEAN, NOT THAT THE SALARY I
01:47 - 43.423 MADE AS MAYOR OR GOVERNOR IS
01:47 - 45.292 SMALL, COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE
01:47 - 45.959 PERSON.
01:47 - 47.194 I UNDERSTAND THAT.
01:47 - 49.396 BUT WE HAD A LOT OF BILLS --
01:47 - 51.565 JESSE'S LAW SCHOOL, COLLEGE,
01:47 - 52.566 ET CETERA.
01:47 - 54.768 SO, I WAS DETERMINED TO MAKE
01:47 - 57.070 MONEY, AND I WAS DETERMINED TO
01:47 - 59.139 CONTINUE TO TRY TO HAVE AN
01:47 - 01.007 INFLUENCE ON THE PUBLIC
01:48 - 04.644 DIALOGUE, SO --
01:48 - 06.680 AND I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH THAT IN
01:48 - 08.682 MAKING MONEY -- I ALWAYS TRIED
01:48 - 10.717 TO MAKE MONEY IN BUSINESSES OR
01:48 - 12.319 ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE
01:48 - 14.287 CONSISTENT WITH THINGS THAT I
01:48 - 16.089 HAD FOUGHT FOR AS MAYOR OR
01:48 - 16.890 GOVERNOR.
01:48 - 18.525 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M ON THE
01:48 - 20.327 BOARD OF A WIND ENERGY COMPANY
01:48 - 21.328 CALLED OwnEnergy.
01:48 - 22.496 I'M ON THE BOARD OF A
01:48 - 24.030 BUSINESS-DEVELOPMENT COMPANY,
01:48 - 25.966 BCDA.
01:48 - 27.267 I'M ON THE BOARD OF
01:48 - 28.969 LEARNING CARE, A FOR-PROFIT
01:48 - 30.971 CHILD-CARE COMPANY THAT HAS SOME
01:48 - 32.806 MONTESSORI SCHOOLS AND THINGS
01:48 - 33.607 LIKE THAT.
01:48 - 35.842 SO, I'VE TRIED TO TIE MY EFFORT
01:48 - 38.011 TO MAKE MONEY INTO CAUSES THAT
01:48 - 39.145 I BELIEVE IN.
01:48 - 40.947 I STAYED VERY ACTIVE, AND I
01:48 - 42.983 TRAVELED A TON -- AND DON'T GET
01:48 - 44.885 PAID A NICKEL -- FOR MY THREE
01:48 - 45.785 NONPROFITS,
01:48 - 47.754 BUILDING AMERICA'S FUTURE, THE
01:48 - 49.556 INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD THAT I
01:48 - 51.525 HEADED UP WITH MAYOR BLOOMBERG
01:48 - 53.627 AND GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER, THE
01:48 - 55.662 CAMPAIGN TO FIX THE DEBT, WHERE
01:48 - 57.564 I AM THE NATIONAL CO-CHAIRMAN
01:48 - 59.366 WITH JUDD GREGG, THE FORMER
01:48 - 01.067 GOVERNMENT AND SENATOR OF
01:49 - 02.903 NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND I'M ON AN
01:49 - 04.871 IMMIGRATION TASK FORCE FOR THE
01:49 - 06.573 BIPARTISAN POLICY CENTER.
01:49 - 08.208 I CO-CHAIR THAT WITH
01:49 - 10.610 CONDOLEEZZA RICE, HALEY BARBOUR,
01:49 - 14.981 AND HENRY CISNEROS.
01:49 - 16.883 SO, I DO A LOT OF TRAVELING FOR
01:49 - 18.852 THE THREE OF THEM, WHICH DOESN'T
01:49 - 20.754 PUT ANY MONEY IN MY POCKET, BUT
01:49 - 22.689 CONTINUES TO GIVE ME AT LEAST A
01:49 - 24.524 SEAT AT THE TABLE IN TRYING TO
01:49 - 26.493 INFLUENCE THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE.
01:49 - 28.428 SO, I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN
01:49 - 29.029 THAT.
01:49 - 31.164 OF COURSE, I WORKED FOR NBC AND
01:49 - 32.332 MSNBC AND CNBC.
01:49 - 34.034 AND THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT
01:49 - 35.802 OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO
01:49 - 37.270 TRY TO DRIVE THE PROCESS.
01:49 - 39.673 I WENT BACK TO MY OLD LAW FIRM,
01:49 - 40.540 BALLARD.
01:49 - 42.809 I MOST SEND THEM CLIENTS, BUT
01:49 - 45.211 OCCASIONALLY I'LL COME OVER AND
01:49 - 47.480 ADVISE A CLIENT ABOUT GETTING
01:49 - 49.816 THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT THICKET
01:49 - 52.218 OF REGULATIONS OR WHAT'S LIKELY
01:49 - 54.554 TO HAPPEN WITH THE LEGISLATURE
01:49 - 56.890 IN PENNSYLVANIA OR NEW YORK OR
01:49 - 58.725 WHATEVER.
01:49 - 00.860 I CONTINUE TO DO -- MY LOVE FOR
01:50 - 01.561 SPORTS.
01:50 - 03.597 I CONTINUE TO WRITE MY SPORTS
01:50 - 05.432 COLUMN FOR THE DAILY NEWS.
01:50 - 07.601 I'VE CONTINUED -- NOW I'M IN MY
01:50 - 09.369 15th YEAR OF BEING ON TV,
01:50 - 10.704 POSTGAME, EAGLES.
01:50 - 12.606 WE HAVE THE VERY SUCCESSFUL,
01:50 - 14.541 VERY POPULAR POSTGAME EAGLES
01:50 - 16.042 SHOW THAT I DO WITH A
01:50 - 18.144 SPORTSWRITER, RAY DIDINGER, AND
01:50 - 20.280 A FORMER EAGLE, BRIAN WESTBROOK.
01:50 - 21.781 AND I LOVE DOING THAT.
01:50 - 22.816 I TEACH AT THE
01:50 - 24.584 UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA.
01:50 - 26.686 IN FACT, TONIGHT IS THE FIRST
01:50 - 28.588 CLASS OF THE NEW SEMESTER.
01:50 - 29.823 AND I LOVE DOING THAT.
01:50 - 31.257 I LOVE TRYING TO GET YOUNG
01:50 - 32.926 PEOPLE INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND
01:50 - 33.927 GOVERNMENT AND --
01:50 - 35.328 >> WHAT DO YOU TEACH?
01:50 - 36.596 WHAT'S THE COURSE?
01:50 - 38.465 >> I TEACH TWO COURSES --
01:50 - 40.634 POLITICAL SCIENCE, THE SCIENCE
01:50 - 42.135 OF GETTING ELECTED.
01:50 - 44.304 I BRING IN POLLSTERS AND MEDIA
01:50 - 46.306 CONSULTANTS AND DIRECT-MAIL
01:50 - 48.174 PEOPLE, AND WE TALK ABOUT
01:50 - 49.976 POLITICS AS IT IS TODAY.
01:50 - 51.811 AND THEN I TEACH A COURSE, ON
01:50 - 53.279 OCCASION, ON EXECUTIVE
01:50 - 54.914 LEADERSHIP -- PRESIDENTS,
01:50 - 56.149 GOVERNORS, MAYORS.
01:50 - 58.084 >> DID YOU TAKE A VACATION RIGHT
01:50 - 59.519 AFTER YOU LEFT OFFICE?
01:50 - 00.687 >> NO.
01:51 - 02.756 I WENT RIGHT TO WORK, RIGHT TO
01:51 - 03.823 WORK.
01:51 - 05.258 >> WE'RE IN THE OFFICES OF
01:51 - 06.493 RENDELL MANAGEMENT AND
01:51 - 07.460 CONSULTING HERE.
01:51 - 08.294 WHAT IS THAT?
01:51 - 09.896 >> WE HAVE TWO OFFICES HERE --
01:51 - 11.898 RENDELL LLC, WHICH IS MY
01:51 - 14.434 BUSINESS, AND THAT TAKES CARE OF
01:51 - 16.636 THE STUFF I DO FOR NBC, THE
01:51 - 19.072 STUFF I DO FOR BOARDS, STUFF I
01:51 - 21.608 DO FOR CONSULTING FOR COMPANIES,
01:51 - 25.779 MY SPORTS COLUMN, MY TV CONTRACT
01:51 - 27.280 WITH COMCAST FOR THE POSTGAME
01:51 - 28.014 EAGLES SHOW.
01:51 - 30.650 ALL THAT IS FUNNELED THROUGH
01:51 - 33.319 EDWARD G. RENDELL LLC.
01:51 - 35.455 THEN RENDELL MANAGEMENT AND
01:51 - 37.757 CONSULTING IS MY SON, JESSE'S,
01:51 - 38.692 BUSINESS.
01:51 - 41.161 JESSE HAS AN OFFICE HERE, AND HE
01:51 - 43.063 SERVES AS THE LAWYER FOR
01:51 - 44.864 EDWARD G. RENDELL LLC.
01:51 - 46.700 AND HE'S SORT OF THE CHIEF
01:51 - 48.034 OPERATING OFFICER.
01:51 - 50.203 HE SEES HOW THAT RUNS, YOU KNOW,
01:51 - 51.671 SORT OF OVERSEES IT.
01:51 - 53.640 AND THEN HE HAS HIS OWN
01:51 - 55.575 BUSINESS, WHERE HE DOES
01:51 - 57.911 CONSULTING AND MARKETING AND
01:51 - 00.213 MANAGEMENT FOR ANYWHERE FROM
01:52 - 02.382 NONPROFITS TO FOR-PROFITS.
01:52 - 04.951 SO, HE WEARS TWO HATS -- OWNER
01:52 - 07.554 OF HIS OWN BUSINESS AND C.O.O.
01:52 - 10.123 AND LEGAL COUNSEL FOR OUR LLC.
01:52 - 12.058 AND IT'S INTERESTING.
01:52 - 14.494 MY THREE OTHER EMPLOYEES ALL
01:52 - 17.230 CAME FROM HARRISBURG, ALL WORKED
01:52 - 19.666 WITH ME WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR.
01:52 - 21.534 >> COULD YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR JOB
01:52 - 22.268 WITH NBC?
01:52 - 23.803 BECAUSE WHEN YOU LEFT THE
01:52 - 25.371 OFFICE, THERE WAS A LOT OF
01:52 - 27.240 SPECULATION ON YOU GETTING A JOB
01:52 - 28.274 AS A TV PUNDIT.
01:52 - 29.709 AND THERE WERE DIFFERENT
01:52 - 31.111 NETWORKS YOU TALKED TO?
01:52 - 33.313 >> WELL, I HAD GOT AN AGENT.
01:52 - 35.381 IN FACT, I GOT A CALL FROM
01:52 - 37.617 ARI EMANUEL WHEN I WAS IN MY
01:52 - 39.886 LAST FOUR MONTHS AS GOVERNOR.
01:52 - 41.955 ARI EMANUEL IS THE HEAD OF
01:52 - 43.757 WILLIAM MORRIS AGENCY.
01:52 - 45.692 AND IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE SHOW
01:52 - 47.494 "ENTOURAGE," IT'S BASED ON HIS
01:52 - 48.027 LIFE.
01:52 - 50.196 AND HE'S RAHM EMANUEL'S BROTHER.
01:52 - 51.831 AND HE ASKED ME, WHAT WAS I
01:52 - 52.766 GONNA DO, TV?
01:52 - 54.300 WAS I GONNA WRITE A BOOK?
01:52 - 55.735 AND I SAID YES TO BOTH.
01:52 - 57.470 WAS I GONNA MAKE SPEECHES FOR
01:52 - 58.004 MONEY?
01:52 - 58.838 I SAID YES.
01:52 - 00.106 HE SAID, "WELL, WE WANT TO
01:53 - 01.341 REPRESENT YOU ON ALL THOSE
01:53 - 01.875 THINGS."
01:53 - 03.710 AND I KNEW ARI AND OF COURSE
01:53 - 05.678 KNEW RAHM VERY WELL, SO I WENT
01:53 - 07.080 WITH WILLIAM MORRIS.
01:53 - 10.383 AND ON THE TV ASPECT, I WAS IN
01:53 - 13.319 DISCUSSIONS WITH CBS, FOX,
01:53 - 16.823 BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND MSNBC AND
01:53 - 17.690 NBC.
01:53 - 19.692 AND I WENT TO NBC 'CAUSE I
01:53 - 22.095 THOUGHT IT OFFERED ME THE WIDEST
01:53 - 24.430 PLATFORM, AND THEY ALSO OFFERED
01:53 - 26.833 THE MOST MONEY, EXCEPT LITERALLY
01:53 - 28.968 AFTER I HAD ACCEPTED THE NBC
01:53 - 31.304 CONTRACT, BUT HADN'T SIGNED IT,
01:53 - 33.940 FOX CAME IN AND RAISED THEIR
01:53 - 36.910 OFFER SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH WOULD
01:53 - 39.879 HAVE MADE IT THE MOST PROFITABLE
01:53 - 42.749 OFFER, BUT I'D ALREADY SAID YES
01:53 - 43.883 TO MSNBC.
01:53 - 45.752 THE REASON I WAS INVOLVED WITH
01:53 - 47.620 FOX IS 'CAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT
01:53 - 49.455 THAT THE DEMOCRATIC POSITION,
01:53 - 51.424 THE PROGRESSIVE POSITION, SHOULD
01:53 - 52.759 HAVE A VOICE ON FOX.
01:53 - 54.394 AND WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR, I WAS
01:53 - 55.929 ONE OF THE FEW DEMOCRATS WHO
01:53 - 57.363 WOULD GO ON THE FOX SHOWS.
01:53 - 59.365 AND I FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY
01:53 - 01.267 GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
01:54 - 03.303 AND EXPRESS MY POINT OF VIEW, SO
01:54 - 05.205 I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.
01:54 - 07.073 BUT AT THE LAST SECOND, I
01:54 - 08.842 DECIDED TO GO WITH NBC.
01:54 - 10.476 >> AND WHY DID NBC WANT YOU?
01:54 - 11.945 AND WHY DID FOX WANT YOU?
01:54 - 13.880 WELL, I THINK FOX WANTED ME
01:54 - 15.615 BECAUSE THEY NEEDED SOME
01:54 - 17.684 DEMOCRATIC VOICES AND I WAS A
01:54 - 19.619 PRETTY HIGH-PROFILE PERSON.
01:54 - 21.821 AND I THINK MS AND NBC WANTED
01:54 - 24.123 ME, I THINK, IN PART BECAUSE I
01:54 - 26.459 WAS GOVERNOR AND BECAUSE I TEND
01:54 - 28.494 TO SAY INTERESTING THINGS,
01:54 - 30.630 SOMETIMES INTERESTING THINGS
01:54 - 32.532 WHICH GET ME IN TROUBLE.
01:54 - 34.868 BUT I THINK ACTUALLY WHERE I
01:54 - 37.070 PROBABLY CEMENTED -- AND I
01:54 - 39.505 DIDN'T DO IT FOR THIS REASON,
01:54 - 41.507 BUT WHERE I CEMENTED MY
01:54 - 44.043 ATTRACTIVENESS TO THESE NETWORK
01:54 - 46.679 TV FOLKS AS IN BEING SORT OF THE
01:54 - 48.748 LAST OF THE MOHICANS FOR
01:54 - 50.817 HILLARY CLINTON IN 2008.
01:54 - 52.652 AS YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY RAN
01:54 - 54.320 HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN HERE IN
01:54 - 55.288 PENNSYLVANIA.
01:54 - 57.156 BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AFTER SHE
01:54 - 58.825 WON PENNSYLVANIA, THERE WAS
01:54 - 00.393 ANOTHER TWO MONTHS OF THE
01:55 - 02.228 CAMPAIGN, BUT IT BECAME PRETTY
01:55 - 04.130 APPARENT THAT SENATOR OBAMA WAS
01:55 - 05.465 GONNA BE THE NOMINEE.
01:55 - 07.033 AND I WAS ALMOST THE LAST
01:55 - 08.868 WELL-KNOWN POLITICAL FIGURE TO
01:55 - 10.336 HAVE WENT ON TELEVISION
01:55 - 12.205 REPRESENTING HILLARY'S POINT OF
01:55 - 12.739 VIEW.
01:55 - 14.607 AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT AN IMPACT
01:55 - 16.342 THAT MADE UNTIL I WENT TO THE
01:55 - 17.644 CONVENTION IN DENVER.
01:55 - 20.847 AND PEOPLE WERE STOPPING ME FROM
01:55 - 22.248 EVERY STATE IN THE UNION,
01:55 - 23.683 WANTING PICTURES WITH ME,
01:55 - 25.318 WANTING ME TO AUTOGRAPH STUFF.
01:55 - 26.786 AND THEY WERE ALL HILLARY
01:55 - 27.520 DELEGATES.
01:55 - 28.855 IT WAS THE HILLARY DELEGATES
01:55 - 30.023 FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.
01:55 - 31.724 I HAD BECOME SORT OF LIKE --
01:55 - 33.626 THEY WERE HOPING AGAINST HOPE IN
01:55 - 35.528 THOSE LAST TWO MONTHS, AND I HAD
01:55 - 37.430 BECOME THE CHIEF SPOKESMAN, SO I
01:55 - 39.232 THINK THAT HELPED MY POLITICAL
01:55 - 41.067 STANDING AROUND THE COUNTRY, IF
01:55 - 42.502 I EVER RAN FOR ANYTHING
01:55 - 44.003 NATIONAL, WHICH I WON'T.
01:55 - 46.306 BUT IT ALSO HELPED, I THINK, MY
01:55 - 48.508 DESIRABILITY TO THE NETWORKS.
01:55 - 50.543 >> WHAT IS YOUR JOB SPECIFICALLY
01:55 - 52.578 AT MSNBC OR AT THE NBC NETWORKS?
01:55 - 54.480 >> I AM SUPPOSED TO DO BETWEEN
01:55 - 56.249 FIVE AND SEVEN HITS A WEEK.
01:55 - 58.217 A HIT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM A
01:55 - 00.453 7-MINUTE PIECE THAT YOU DO WHERE
01:56 - 02.255 YOU'RE COMMENTING LIKE ON
01:56 - 04.490 "CHRIS MATTHEWS" ABOUT SOMETHING
01:56 - 06.392 THAT MAYBE THE CHAIR OF THE
01:56 - 08.428 REPUBLICAN PARTY SAID OR SOME
01:56 - 10.530 CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR SAID OR
01:56 - 11.965 COMMENTING ON "WILL
01:56 - 14.200 HILLARY CLINTON BE A CANDIDATE?"
01:56 - 16.002 OR "WHAT ABOUT JEB BUSH?"
01:56 - 18.204 SO, POLITICAL PUNDITRY,
01:56 - 19.372 BASICALLY.
01:56 - 22.809 OR A HIT CAN BE GOING UP TO
01:56 - 24.477 NEW YORK AND DOING "MORNING JOE"
01:56 - 25.411 FOR THREE HOURS.
01:56 - 27.413 THE 7-MINUTE HITS WE DO
01:56 - 30.016 REMOTELY, ALL OF US, ALL OF THE
01:56 - 31.651 SO-CALLED PUNDITS.
01:56 - 33.453 AND I DO IT FROM A PLACE CALLED
01:56 - 34.887 VIDEOLINK, A GREAT PLACE
01:56 - 38.191 WHERE -- IT'S TWO BLOCKS BEHIND
01:56 - 40.526 THE OFFICE WE'RE SITTING IN NOW
01:56 - 42.895 AND WHERE LILLIAN AND BECKY, TWO
01:56 - 45.264 GREAT REDHEADED WOMEN, TAKE CARE
01:56 - 45.999 OF ME.
01:56 - 48.301 AND DO WE ALL OF OUR SHOTS FROM
01:56 - 50.503 THERE, EXCEPT WHEN I GO UP TO
01:56 - 51.404 NEW YORK.
01:56 - 52.772 >> WHEN YOU DO THOSE SHORT
01:56 - 54.340 THINGS, HOW MUCH NOTICED DO YOU
01:56 - 55.875 GET, AND DO THEY TELL YOU WHAT
01:56 - 57.410 YOU'RE EXPECTED TO STUDY UP ON
01:56 - 58.478 BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN?
01:56 - 59.979 >> THE WEEK BEFORE, WE'LL GET
01:56 - 01.147 BOOKED, LET'S SAY,
01:57 - 02.682 REVEREND SHARPTON'S SHOW,
01:57 - 03.816 "POLITICSNATION."
01:57 - 05.718 THEY'LL WANT ME TO DO MONDAY AND
01:57 - 06.486 FRIDAY AND
01:57 - 08.287 "HARDBALL WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS"
01:57 - 09.622 TUESDAY AND THURSDAY.
01:57 - 11.624 AND THEY ALWAYS SEND ME THE
01:57 - 13.693 TOPIC AND ARTICLES ABOUT THE
01:57 - 15.862 TOPIC USUALLY THE MORNING THAT
01:57 - 16.996 I'M GOING ON.
01:57 - 18.297 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE
01:57 - 19.298 24-HOUR NEWS NETWORKS?
01:57 - 20.933 >> WELL, IT'S GOOD IN THE SENSE
01:57 - 22.368 THAT I THINK THE MORE NEWS
01:57 - 23.936 PEOPLE GET ABOUT POLITICS AND
01:57 - 25.204 GOVERNMENT, THE BETTER.
01:57 - 27.673 BUT IT'S BAD IN A SENSE BECAUSE
01:57 - 30.109 POLITICIANS REACT SO WEIRDLY TO
01:57 - 32.378 THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS
01:57 - 33.112 THERE.
01:57 - 34.947 POLITICIANS SOMEHOW FEEL THAT
01:57 - 36.983 THEY'VE GOT TO ANSWER A QUESTION
01:57 - 37.884 IMMEDIATELY.
01:57 - 39.919 SO, IF SOMETHING ARISES, THEY'RE
01:57 - 41.654 AFRAID TO SAY, "NO COMMENT.
01:57 - 43.556 I NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
01:57 - 45.358 THEN I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO
01:57 - 45.892 YOU."
01:57 - 48.127 SO, YOU'VE SEEN PRESIDENT OBAMA
01:57 - 50.229 MAKE MISTAKES 'CAUSE THEY GOT
01:57 - 52.331 INVOLVED IN THE 24-HOUR CYCLE
01:57 - 54.367 INSTEAD OF SAYING, "HANG ON.
01:57 - 56.469 WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THAT."
01:57 - 02.575 YOU KNOW, IT CREATES PRESSURE TO
01:58 - 05.011 MAKE -- FOR THE SPINNERS TO SPIN
01:58 - 06.979 SOME NEW STORY EVERY DAY.
01:58 - 09.415 THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING FRESH.
01:58 - 10.950 WELL, I DON'T CARE HOW ACTIVE
01:58 - 11.584 YOU WERE.
01:58 - 13.286 I WAS PROBABLY THE MOST ACTIVIST
01:58 - 14.754 GOVERNOR WE'VE HAD IN A LONG
01:58 - 15.221 TIME.
01:58 - 17.490 I DIDN'T HAVE A NEWS STORY EVERY
01:58 - 18.057 DAY.
01:58 - 20.159 BUT IT CREATES THAT PRESSURE,
01:58 - 21.861 THAT BUILT-IN PRESSURE.
01:58 - 24.163 AND IT ALSO CAUSES THE STATIONS,
01:58 - 26.365 IN AN EFFORT TO GET RATINGS, TO
01:58 - 28.534 BE AS SENSATIONAL AS THEY CAN.
01:58 - 29.902 AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S
01:58 - 31.304 BENEFICIAL TO THE PUBLIC
01:58 - 31.971 DIALOGUE.
01:58 - 33.940 >> YOU ALSO WROTE A BOOK.
01:58 - 34.974 >> OF COURSE.
01:58 - 37.076 AND WILLIAM MORRIS WAS MY AGENT
01:58 - 38.044 ON THE BOOK.
01:58 - 40.513 AND I ENJOYED WRITING THE BOOK.
01:58 - 42.181 IT'S FUNNY.
01:58 - 44.250 I WROTE THE BOOK -- I STARTED MY
01:58 - 46.319 LAST SIX MONTHS AS GOVERNOR, AND
01:58 - 48.254 MY FIRST SIX MONTHS IN MY NEW
01:58 - 49.822 LIFE, I WROTE THE BOOK.
01:58 - 51.624 BUT OF COURSE, I HAD A JOB.
01:58 - 53.626 I WAS GOVERNOR, AND I TOOK THAT
01:58 - 54.760 VERY SERIOUSLY.
01:58 - 56.596 YOU KNOW, I WAS NEVER A LAME
01:58 - 57.163 DUCK.
01:58 - 59.298 AND IN MY FIRST SIX MONTHS HERE,
01:58 - 01.400 I WAS TRYING TO GET MY BUSINESS
01:59 - 02.135 STARTED.
01:59 - 03.870 I WAS WORKING LIKE A DOG.
01:59 - 05.972 SO, I WROTE THE BOOK USUALLY AT
01:59 - 07.874 NIGHT, USUALLY FROM 10:00 TO
01:59 - 09.642 1:00, 2:00, OR 3:00 IN THE
01:59 - 10.409 MORNING.
01:59 - 12.778 AND I LOVED WRITING THE BOOK
01:59 - 15.314 'CAUSE IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT,
01:59 - 17.917 YOU KNOW, MY CAREER, GOING BACK
01:59 - 20.486 TO -- WELL, FIRST GOING BACK TO
01:59 - 23.156 GROWING UP WITH MY DAD, WHO DIED
01:59 - 25.758 WHEN I WAS 14, AND THEN IT MADE
01:59 - 27.026 ME THINK ABOUT MY EARLY DAYS AS
01:59 - 28.227 ASSISTANT D.A., THEN DISTRICT
01:59 - 32.398 ATTORNEY, THEN MAYOR, THEN
01:59 - 33.833 CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC
01:59 - 35.134 PARTY, AND THEN FINALLY
01:59 - 36.702 GOVERNOR, AND MY RELATIONSHIP
01:59 - 38.037 WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT
01:59 - 39.038 NATIONAL FIGURES.
01:59 - 41.007 SO, I'D BE SITTING IN -- I HAVE
01:59 - 42.842 A LITTLE ROOM WHERE I WRITE.
01:59 - 44.877 I'D BE SITTING IN THAT ROOM LATE
01:59 - 46.612 AT NIGHT WITH MY TWO GOLDEN
01:59 - 48.648 RETRIEVERS AROUND ME, AND I'D BE
01:59 - 50.616 CHUCKLING AND LAUGHING OUT LOUD
01:59 - 52.451 AS I THOUGHT ABOUT STUFF AND
01:59 - 53.486 WROTE IT DOWN.
01:59 - 55.221 >> DID YOU WRITE IT BY HAND?
01:59 - 57.023 >> I WROTE IT BY HAND FOR TWO
01:59 - 58.658 REASONS -- BECAUSE I NEVER
01:59 - 00.560 LEARNED TO TYPE, ALTHOUGH I NOW
02:00 - 02.261 CAN TYPE A LITTLE BIT ON MY
02:00 - 02.795 iPAD.
02:00 - 04.764 LIKE, WHEN I WRITE MY DAILY NEWS
02:00 - 06.699 COLUMN, OFTEN I'LL TYPE IT ON MY
02:00 - 07.233 iPAD.
02:00 - 09.068 BUT IN THOSE DAYS, I DIDN'T HAVE
02:00 - 10.736 AN iPAD YET, SO I WROTE IT IN
02:00 - 11.437 LONGHAND.
02:00 - 13.005 AND SECONDLY, I WROTE IT IN
02:00 - 14.840 LONGHAND AND I SAVED IT 'CAUSE I
02:00 - 16.342 DIDN'T WANT ANYONE IN THE
02:00 - 17.977 CYNICAL PRESS CORPS TO THINK
02:00 - 19.445 THAT I HAD A GHOSTWRITER.
02:00 - 21.314 I WROTE EVERY WORD OF IT MYSELF,
02:00 - 22.748 AND IF ANYBODY WAS GONNA
02:00 - 24.617 CHALLENGE ME, I WAS GONNA PUT IT
02:00 - 25.918 OUT IN MY DISTINCTIVE
02:00 - 27.720 HANDWRITING, AND THEY COULD SEE
02:00 - 29.355 THAT I WROTE IT FOR MYSELF.
02:00 - 30.556 >> YOU GIVE SPEECHES FOR MONEY
02:00 - 30.856 NOW?
02:00 - 31.757 >> YEAH.
02:00 - 34.327 PROBABLY FOR EVERY SPEECH I GIVE
02:00 - 36.596 FOR MONEY, I MAKE ONE OR TWO
02:00 - 38.831 SPEECHES FOR MY NONPROFITS.
02:00 - 40.299 BUT I GIVE SPEECHES FOR MONEY
02:00 - 41.434 ALL OVER THE WORLD --
02:00 - 46.272 PARIS, FRANCE, BRUSSELS, GENEVA,
02:00 - 48.274 AND OF COURSE VIRTUALLY EVERY
02:00 - 49.375 AMERICAN CITY.
02:00 - 51.210 SO, I TRAVEL A TON, BUT IT'S NOT
02:00 - 52.278 GLAMOROUS TRAVEL.
02:00 - 54.113 I'LL GO TO PARIS, AND I'LL LEAVE
02:00 - 55.514 ON A 6:00 FLIGHT OUT OF
02:00 - 56.782 PHILADELPHIA AIRPORT.
02:00 - 58.584 I ARRIVE AT 7:00 A.M. IN PARIS.
02:00 - 00.353 I GO TO THE HOTEL, SLEEP FOR A
02:01 - 02.188 COUPLE HOURS, SHOWER AND SHAVE,
02:01 - 04.056 MAKE MY SPEECH IN THE AFTERNOON.
02:01 - 06.592 AND OFTEN I GO TO THE AIRPORT
02:01 - 09.595 AND GET A FLIGHT BACK THAT SAME
02:01 - 10.796 DAY.
02:01 - 13.366 AND I ARRIVE AT JFK IN NEW YORK
02:01 - 14.267 AT 9:00.
02:01 - 16.569 SO, I'LL HAVE LEFT AT 6:00,
02:01 - 19.038 LET'S SAY, ON A FRIDAY -- 6:00
02:01 - 21.674 P.M. -- AND I'LL GET BACK TO JFK
02:01 - 23.876 AT 9:00 P.M. THE NEXT DAY.
02:01 - 26.679 SO, 26 HOURS IN WHICH I'M IN THE
02:01 - 28.514 AIR FOR HALF OF IT.
02:01 - 29.882 >> YOU MENTIONED YOUR PAC.
02:01 - 30.650 WHAT IS THAT?
02:01 - 31.884 >> I LEFT OFFICE WITH A
02:01 - 33.286 POLITICAL -- I ALWAYS HAD A
02:01 - 34.687 POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE.
02:01 - 36.489 AND WHEN I LEFT OFFICE, I HAD A
02:01 - 38.257 LITTLE BIT MORE THAN $2 MILLION
02:01 - 39.158 IN THE KITTY.
02:01 - 41.360 AND SO WE CHANGED THE PAC FROM
02:01 - 43.129 RENDELL FOR GOVERNOR TO
02:01 - 45.197 KEEPING AMERICA COMPETITIVE.
02:01 - 47.333 AND I CONTINUE TO RAISE A LITTLE
02:01 - 49.368 BIT OF MONEY FOR MY FRIENDS AND
02:01 - 50.303 SUPPORTERS.
02:01 - 54.073 AND WE SPEND MONEY ON DEMOCRATS,
02:01 - 57.343 BUT ONLY ON DEMOCRATS WHO I
02:01 - 01.013 BELIEVE ARE GENERALLY CENTRISTS
02:02 - 02.882 OR PROGRESSIVES, BUT WHO ARE
02:02 - 04.383 FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE.
02:02 - 06.385 AND WE TRY TO HELP DEMOCRATS NOT
02:02 - 08.220 ONLY IN PENNSYLVANIA, BUT ALL
02:02 - 09.422 AROUND THE STATE.
02:02 - 10.423 >> DO YOU HEAR FROM EVERY
02:02 - 11.657 DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE WANTING TO
02:02 - 12.692 GET A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY?
02:02 - 14.694 >> MOST. YEAH, MOST.
02:02 - 16.095 AND THE HARD PART IS TO BE
02:02 - 16.762 SELECTIVE.
02:02 - 18.531 >> DO YOU EXPECT TO BE INVOLVED
02:02 - 20.166 LIKE THAT FOR AS LONG AS YOU
02:02 - 20.599 CAN?
02:02 - 22.335 >> WELL, AS LONG AS THE MONEY
02:02 - 24.003 RUNS OUT, BUT MY ABILITY TO
02:02 - 25.438 CONTINUE TO RAISE MONEY
02:02 - 27.340 DIMINISHES THE FARTHER AWAY I'VE
02:02 - 28.441 BEEN FROM OFFICE.
02:02 - 30.343 SO, I THINK EVENTUALLY THE MONEY
02:02 - 31.277 WILL RUN OUT.
02:02 - 32.678 >> YOU THINK YOU'LL KEEP
02:02 - 33.946 ENDORSING CANDIDATES?
02:02 - 35.648 >> OH, SURE, AS LONG AS PEOPLE
02:02 - 36.382 ASK ME TO.
02:02 - 38.484 PEOPLE MAY NOT ASK ME AFTER A
02:02 - 39.151 WHILE.
02:02 - 40.286 >> YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK
02:02 - 41.387 YOU'D EVER RUN FOR NATIONAL
02:02 - 41.821 OFFICE.
02:02 - 43.089 CAN YOU IMAGINE YOURSELF RUNNING
02:02 - 43.889 FOR ANYTHING ELSE?
02:02 - 45.358 >> NO.
02:02 - 47.026 >> 'CAUSE A YEAR OR TWO AGO, YOU
02:02 - 48.494 WERE RUMORED TO BE THINKING
02:02 - 49.895 ABOUT NEW YORK CITY MAYOR.
02:02 - 51.597 >> THAT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPERS.
02:02 - 52.565 IT WAS IDIOTIC.
02:02 - 54.333 I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVEN'T
02:02 - 58.304 LIVED IN NEW YORK FOR 53 YEARS.
02:02 - 59.839 AND EVEN WHEN I LIVED IN NEW
02:02 - 01.040 YORK, MY KNOWLEDGE OF
02:03 - 02.608 NEW YORK CITY WAS CONFINED TO
02:03 - 03.275 MANHATTAN.
02:03 - 04.844 I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE FOUR
02:03 - 05.778 OTHER BOROUGHS.
02:03 - 07.279 I WOULD HAVE BEEN A TERRIBLE
02:03 - 07.980 CANDIDATE.
02:03 - 09.648 YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO KNOWS YOUR
02:03 - 11.150 CITY AND LOVES YOUR CITY AND
02:03 - 12.651 WHO'S LIVED AND BREATHED THE
02:03 - 13.119 CITY.
02:03 - 15.020 I REMEMBER WHEN I RAN FOR
02:03 - 16.789 RE-ELECTION AS MAYOR IN
02:03 - 18.457 PHILADELPHIA IN 1995.
02:03 - 20.059 I RAN AGAINST JOE ROCKS, WHO
02:03 - 21.694 LATER BECAME A GOOD FRIEND OF
02:03 - 23.362 MINE.
02:03 - 25.865 AND JOE'S MAIN THRUST WAS THAT I
02:03 - 27.333 WAS A NEW YORKER.
02:03 - 32.104 WELL, IT HAD BEEN 35 YEARS THAT
02:03 - 33.639 I HAD BEEN IN PHILADELPHIA.
02:03 - 35.441 I'D LIVED IN PHILADELPHIA FOR 35
02:03 - 36.542 CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
02:03 - 38.277 I CHOSE PHILADELPHIA OVER GOING
02:03 - 39.879 BACK TO NEW YORK CITY, AND I
02:03 - 41.547 STILL WAS CALLED A NEW YORKER.
02:03 - 42.515 >> [ CHUCKLES ]
02:03 - 43.649 YOU EVER IMAGINE YOU'LL LIVE
02:03 - 44.450 ANYWHERE OTHER THAN
02:03 - 45.084 PHILADELPHIA?
02:03 - 45.584 >> NO. NO.
02:03 - 47.553 I MEAN, IF -- THE ONE JOB I
02:03 - 49.321 WOULD TAKE IN GOVERNMENT WOULD
02:03 - 51.056 BE IF HILLARY CLINTON DID RUN
02:03 - 52.792 FOR PRESIDENT AND WAS ELECTED
02:03 - 54.026 AND WANTED ME TO BE
02:03 - 55.861 CHIEF OF STAFF -- NOT A CABINET
02:03 - 56.462 MEMBER.
02:03 - 57.963 I DON'T WANT TO BE SECRETARY OF
02:03 - 58.764 TRANSPORTATION.
02:03 - 00.266 I DON'T WANT TO BE SECRETARY OF
02:04 - 00.766 ENERGY.
02:04 - 02.535 BUT IF SHE WANTED ME TO BE
02:04 - 04.437 CHIEF OF STAFF, I WOULD TAKE
02:04 - 06.572 THAT JOB, AND OBVIOUSLY I'D HAVE
02:04 - 08.474 TO LIVE AT LEAST FIVE DAYS A
02:04 - 09.442 WEEK IN D.C.
02:04 - 10.709 >> WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BE A
02:04 - 11.477 CABINET SECRETARY?
02:04 - 13.279 >> I DON'T THINK THEY DO MUCH.
02:04 - 14.914 CABINET SECRETARIES, BY AND
02:04 - 16.649 LARGE, TAKE THEIR ORDERS FROM
02:04 - 17.716 THE WHITE HOUSE.
02:04 - 19.418 THEY DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH
02:04 - 22.688 INDEPENDENT DECISION MAKING.
02:04 - 25.157 >> ON A PERSONAL NOTE, JESSE,
02:04 - 26.926 YOUR SON, GREW UP WITH PARENTS
02:04 - 28.727 IN THE PUBLIC EYE ALL THE TIME.
02:04 - 30.162 DID YOU EVER TALK TO HIM ABOUT
02:04 - 30.563 THAT?
02:04 - 31.730 WAS THAT ODD FOR HIM OR
02:04 - 33.532 DIFFICULT?
02:04 - 35.634 >> IT HAD CHALLENGES, AND IT'S
02:04 - 37.770 WHY JESSE -- JESSE WOULD MAKE A
02:04 - 40.005 GREAT MAYOR, A GREAT GOVERNOR, A
02:04 - 42.208 GREAT CONGRESSMAN, BUT HE HAS NO
02:04 - 43.943 INTEREST IN RUNNING FOR POLITICS
02:04 - 45.611 'CAUSE HE'S SEEN THE STUFF THAT
02:04 - 47.279 HIS MOM AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH
02:04 - 50.049 BY BEING IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
02:04 - 51.417 >> AND SHORTLY AFTER YOU LEFT
02:04 - 52.751 OFFICE, YOU AND MIDGE SPLIT.
02:04 - 53.486 >> SEPARATED.
02:04 - 54.787 >> DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
02:04 - 55.187 THAT?
02:04 - 56.088 >> SURE, YOU CAN.
02:04 - 57.957 WE SEPARATED, BUT AS WE SAID AT
02:04 - 59.792 THE TIME, THAT WE WOULD REMAIN
02:04 - 01.527 FRIENDS AND WORK ON PROJECTS
02:05 - 02.261 TOGETHER.
02:05 - 04.363 AND WE'VE REMAINED GOOD FRIENDS.
02:05 - 06.365 WE SEE EACH OTHER TWO OR THREE
02:05 - 10.936 TIMES A WEEK.
02:05 - 14.073 WE FOUNDED TOGETHER THE
02:05 - 18.978 RENDELL CENTER ON CIVICS AND
02:05 - 21.914 CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.
02:05 - 23.749 I RAISED THE MONEY, AND MIDGE
02:05 - 25.718 AND I DO THE PROGRAMMING FOR IT.
02:05 - 27.353 WE HAVE A SMALL STAFF.
02:05 - 29.255 WE'VE DONE PUBLIC MEETINGS
02:05 - 30.089 TOGETHER.
02:05 - 31.657 AND AS I'VE SAID, WE SEE EACH
02:05 - 33.025 OTHER TWO OR THREE TIMES.
02:05 - 35.027 AND WITH THE COMING OF THE TWO
02:05 - 36.829 GRANDCHILDREN -- LIKE LAST
02:05 - 38.898 SATURDAY NIGHT, TWO NIGHTS AGO,
02:05 - 41.834 JESSE AND BEKA WENT OUT TO
02:05 - 44.503 DINNER, AND MIDGE AND I BABYSAT
02:05 - 47.072 FOR -- THEY HAVE A 2-YEAR-OLD
02:05 - 49.608 SON BY THE NAME OF DEAN AND A
02:05 - 52.411 5-WEEK-OLD -- A 5-MONTH-OLD BABY
02:05 - 53.546 BY THE NAME OF ROZ.
02:05 - 55.014 SO, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE TWO
02:05 - 56.248 OF US BABYSITTING THESE TWO
02:05 - 56.649 KIDS.
02:05 - 59.084 IT'S PRETTY TOUGH.
02:05 - 00.519 >> YOU MENTIONED CIVIC
02:06 - 01.387 ENGAGEMENT.
02:06 - 03.155 AND THE U.S. HAS LOWER VOTER
02:06 - 04.990 TURNOUT THAN PLACES LIKE IRAQ
02:06 - 06.191 AND AFGHANISTAN, WHERE PEOPLE
02:06 - 07.393 ARE THREATENED WITH DEATH IF
02:06 - 07.927 THEY VOTE.
02:06 - 10.496 WHY ISN'T THERE MORE ENGAGEMENT?
02:06 - 12.364 AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET PEOPLE
02:06 - 12.998 TO CARE?
02:06 - 14.567 >> WELL, I THINK IT IS.
02:06 - 16.468 AND INTERESTINGLY, WHEN MIDGE
02:06 - 18.370 WAS FIRST LADY -- THE RENDELL
02:06 - 20.406 CENTER CAME OUT OF THE FACT THAT
02:06 - 22.374 WHEN MIDGE WAS FIRST LADY, SHE
02:06 - 24.610 COULDN'T RAISE MONEY BECAUSE
02:06 - 26.412 SHE'S A FEDERAL JUDGE, NOR COULD
02:06 - 29.481 SHE ADVOCATE FOR ANY OF THE
02:06 - 30.983 POLICIES, MY EDUCATION POLICIES.
02:06 - 32.384 SHE COULDN'T MAKE SPEECHES FOR
02:06 - 32.785 THAT.
02:06 - 34.420 SO, SHE HAD TO PICK SOMETHING
02:06 - 35.721 SORT OF NEUTRAL AS HER
02:06 - 37.256 PORTFOLIO, AND IT WAS CIVIC
02:06 - 38.023 ENGAGEMENT.
02:06 - 39.258 MIDGE IS VERY CLOSE TO
02:06 - 40.726 SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR, FORMER
02:06 - 42.261 JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT,
02:06 - 44.063 WHO HAS A NATIONAL PROGRAM
02:06 - 45.831 CALLED WE THE CIVICS KIDS.
02:06 - 47.866 SO, MIDGE PUSHED THE CIVICS
02:06 - 49.735 AGENDA, AND SHE DID GREAT
02:06 - 51.704 WORK -- SHE AND HER STAFF,
02:06 - 53.872 BECK SPECKER AND THE GROUP --
02:06 - 56.208 THEY GOT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
02:06 - 58.344 EDUCATION TO DEVELOP A CIVICS
02:06 - 00.479 CURRICULUM AND A CIVICS TEST,
02:07 - 02.514 WHICH KIDS HAVE TO TAKE AND
02:07 - 04.550 PASS.
02:07 - 07.019 BUT THAT WAS MOSTLY CENTERED ON
02:07 - 09.388 MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL.
02:07 - 11.090 AND BY THE TIME MIDGE HAD
02:07 - 12.891 FINISHED HER EIGHT YEARS AS
02:07 - 14.627 FIRST LADY, BOTH SHE AND I
02:07 - 17.029 AGREED THAT -- TOO LATE TO START
02:07 - 18.764 TRYING TO INCULCATE OUR KIDS
02:07 - 20.599 WITH A SENSE OF CIVIC DUTY AND
02:07 - 22.301 RESPONSIBILITY IN THE NINTH
02:07 - 22.868 GRADE.
02:07 - 24.770 SO, THE RENDELL CENTER FOCUSES
02:07 - 26.772 ON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, FOCUSES ON
02:07 - 28.007 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
02:07 - 32.745 AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF YOU START
02:07 - 34.880 YOUNG ENOUGH, YOU CAN GET KIDS
02:07 - 36.749 INTERESTED IN POLITICS AND
02:07 - 38.817 GOVERNMENT, AND ONCE THEY GET
02:07 - 40.819 THAT INTEREST, THEY'LL NEVER
02:07 - 41.620 LOSE IT.
02:07 - 43.822 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE
02:07 - 46.158 FIRST VENTURES OF THE RENDELL
02:07 - 48.694 CENTER WAS, WE ADVERTISED ONLINE
02:07 - 50.963 TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE
02:07 - 52.398 DELAWARE VALLEY.
02:07 - 53.732 AND IT WASN'T JUST ELEMENTARY
02:07 - 54.233 SCHOOLS.
02:07 - 55.601 IT WAS THIRD- AND FOURTH-GRADE
02:07 - 58.937 CLASSES, TO ANSWER -- TO GIVE US
02:07 - 01.140 AN ESSAY, LESS THAN 500 WORDS,
02:08 - 03.442 ANSWERING THE QUESTION, "DO YOU
02:08 - 05.778 THINK THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE
02:08 - 08.113 CHANGED SO THAT CITIZENS WHO ARE
02:08 - 09.815 NOT BORN IN AMERICA, BUT BECOME
02:08 - 11.417 NATURALIZED CITIZENS, CAN RUN
02:08 - 12.317 FOR PRESIDENT?
02:08 - 15.688 AND WE HAD RESPONSES FROM OVER
02:08 - 18.323 250 SCHOOLS -- CLASSES.
02:08 - 21.994 AND WE PICKED THE BEST 10 AND
02:08 - 23.929 BROUGHT THE BEST 10 INTO THE
02:08 - 26.098 CONSTITUTION CENTER, WHERE MIDGE
02:08 - 28.267 AND I AND JOE ROSEN, THE HEAD OF
02:08 - 30.235 THE CONSTITUTION CENTER -- WE
02:08 - 32.371 SAT AS A THREE-JUDGE PANEL, AND
02:08 - 34.006 THE KIDS WOULD MAKE ALL
02:08 - 35.107 PRESENTATIONS.
02:08 - 37.843 THEY COULD USE DVDs AND ANYTHING
02:08 - 39.111 THEY WANTED.
02:08 - 41.213 AND THE KIDS WERE TERRIFIC.
02:08 - 43.649 ALL 10 OF THE PRESENTATIONS WERE
02:08 - 44.550 TERRIFIC.
02:08 - 48.554 AND THEY WERE FUNNY.
02:08 - 50.022 THEY WERE INSIGHTFUL.
02:08 - 52.725 THE TEAM THAT WON HAD A VERY
02:08 - 55.661 DIFFICULT SIDE OF THE QUESTION.
02:08 - 57.229 THE SIDE OF THE QUESTION THAT'S
02:08 - 58.764 THE MOST DIFFICULT IS, "NO, THE
02:08 - 00.065 CONSTITUTION SHOULDN'T BE
02:09 - 00.632 CHANGED.
02:09 - 02.234 YOU HAVE TO BE BORN IN THE
02:09 - 04.103 UNITED STATES TO BE ELIGIBLE TO
02:09 - 05.337 RUN FOR PRESIDENT."
02:09 - 06.905 THAT'S A PRETTY TOUGH POSITION
02:09 - 08.574 IN MODERN-DAY AMERICA TO BE FOR.
02:09 - 11.110 BUT THESE KIDS ANSWERED WELL,
02:09 - 13.746 THEIR ARGUMENTS WERE GOOD, AND
02:09 - 16.115 THEIR PRESENTATION WAS PART
02:09 - 18.350 ORAL, IN PERSON, AND PART
02:09 - 19.485 VIDEOTAPE.
02:09 - 21.286 AND THE END OF THE PRESENTATION
02:09 - 22.554 WAS THE SOUNDTRACK TO
02:09 - 23.756 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN'S
02:09 - 25.257 "BORN IN THE U.S.A."
02:09 - 26.592 AND THAT WAS SO CLEVER.
02:09 - 28.026 AND IT WAS JUST TERRIFIC.
02:09 - 30.095 AND THE KIDS WERE PUMPING.
02:09 - 31.630 THEY WERE ON FIRE.
02:09 - 34.032 THEY LOVED THE IDEA OF DEBATING
02:09 - 35.234 THESE ISSUES.
02:09 - 36.969 AND THEN I WENT -- MIDGE DIDN'T
02:09 - 38.771 GO WITH ME, BUT I WENT -- 'CAUSE
02:09 - 40.172 SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO GET
02:09 - 41.907 INVOLVED IN THE MONEY ASPECT OF
02:09 - 42.407 THIS.
02:09 - 44.276 I WENT TO PRESENT THE CHECKS TO
02:09 - 45.177 THE WINNERS.
02:09 - 46.745 EACH OF THE THREE WINNING
02:09 - 48.247 SCHOOLS GOT A BIG CHECK.
02:09 - 49.815 AND I WENT TO THE SCHOOLS.
02:09 - 51.583 THERE WERE TWO IN THE SUBURBS
02:09 - 53.051 AND ONE IN PHILADELPHIA.
02:09 - 55.154 AND WHEN I SHOWED UP, NOT ONLY
02:09 - 56.955 WERE THE KIDS ON THE TEAM
02:09 - 58.657 PRESENT, BUT THE ENTIRE
02:09 - 00.759 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS PRESENT.
02:10 - 02.628 THE PARENTS WERE THERE, THE
02:10 - 04.663 TEACHERS, AND EVERYBODY WAS ON
02:10 - 05.230 FIRE.
02:10 - 07.966 AND I THOUGHT, "WE CAN DO THIS."
02:10 - 10.569 AND WE WANT TO DO IT FIRST IN
02:10 - 12.437 THE DELAWARE VALLEY, THEN
02:10 - 14.640 STATEWIDE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW,
02:10 - 16.875 MAYBE TAKE IT NATIONALLY, MAYBE
02:10 - 20.212 WHEN JUSTICE O'CONNOR DECIDES TO
02:10 - 21.814 STEP DOWN, MAYBE TAKE OVER
02:10 - 23.615 WE THE CIVICS KIDS AND MAKE IT
02:10 - 25.250 PART OF THE RENDELL CENTER.
02:10 - 27.019 THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
02:10 - 28.787 MIDGE AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO
02:10 - 30.722 THE REST OF OUR LIVES AND MAYBE
02:10 - 32.157 HAVE LIVE ON AFTER US.
02:10 - 33.859 >> WHY DON'T MORE PEOPLE VOTE OR
02:10 - 34.693 GET INVOLVED?
02:10 - 36.228 >> I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE TOO
02:10 - 37.196 CASUAL ABOUT IT.
02:10 - 39.998 IT'S TOO EASY HERE.
02:10 - 44.002 AND WE DON'T TRY TO DRUM INTO
02:10 - 47.806 OUR KIDS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO
02:10 - 49.908 VOTE.
02:10 - 51.343 I WOULD URGE PARENTS, AT THE
02:10 - 52.644 YOUNGEST AGE POSSIBLE, TO
02:10 - 54.079 TAKE THEIR KIDS WITH THEM TO
02:10 - 54.513 VOTE.
02:10 - 56.348 MOST VOTING ELECTION OFFICIALS
02:10 - 58.250 WILL ALLOW YOU TO BRING YOUR SON
02:10 - 00.118 OR DAUGHTER INTO THE BOOTH WITH
02:11 - 02.054 YOU AND GET THEM USED TO LOOKING
02:11 - 03.922 AT THE WAY YOU VOTE, ET CETERA,
02:11 - 05.791 AND GET THEM THINKING THAT IT'S
02:11 - 07.226 SOMETHING YOU DO, LIKE YOU GO TO
02:11 - 08.126 THE GROCERY STORE.
02:11 - 10.195 AND IT'S ONE OF YOUR NOT ONLY
02:11 - 12.464 CIVIC RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT IT'S
02:11 - 14.132 A VERY PRECIOUS RIGHT.
02:11 - 16.001 AND WE DON'T TALK TO THEM
02:11 - 17.903 ENOUGH, AND WE DON'T TELL
02:11 - 19.438 THEM.
02:11 - 21.073 AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE
02:11 - 22.608 CIVICS CLASS, BUT NOT JUST AT
02:11 - 24.243 THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL -- AT THE
02:11 - 25.544 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL.
02:11 - 27.579 AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A CIVICS
02:11 - 29.815 CURRICULUM THAT'S APPLICABLE TO
02:11 - 32.050 THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH, AND SIXTH
02:11 - 32.784 GRADES.
02:11 - 34.553 >> HOW DO YOU GET QUALITY PEOPLE
02:11 - 37.055 TO BE WILLING TO RUN FOR OFFICE?
02:11 - 39.124 >> TOUGHER QUESTION, BUT, AGAIN,
02:11 - 41.026 THE MORE YOU GET YOUNG PEOPLE
02:11 - 42.527 INVOLVED IN CIVICS AND
02:11 - 43.862 UNDERSTANDING THEIR
02:11 - 45.898 RESPONSIBILITY AND RIGHTS ABOUT
02:11 - 47.900 VOTING, I THINK THE MORE YOU'LL
02:11 - 49.868 GET YOUNG PEOPLE INTERESTED IN
02:11 - 51.203 RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
02:11 - 53.805 I'VE TRIED -- THE REASON I TEACH
02:11 - 56.174 AT PENN IS, EVERY SEMESTER, I
02:11 - 58.277 GET 80 KIDS, AND I TRY TO
02:11 - 59.845 INSPIRE THOSE 80 KIDS NOT ONLY
02:11 - 01.346 TO RUN FOR OFFICE, BUT TO GO
02:12 - 02.981 INTO THE GOVERNMENT, TO WORK AS
02:12 - 04.616 A DEPUTY HEALTH COMMISSIONER OR
02:12 - 08.120 WHATEVER.
02:12 - 10.055 ONE OF THE REASONS I WROTE THE
02:12 - 12.124 BOOK WAS TO INSPIRE YOUNG PEOPLE
02:12 - 14.059 TO LOOK AT POLITICS AS A CAREER
02:12 - 15.727 AND AS A PROFESSION, THAT,
02:12 - 17.596 DESPITE THE BAD STUFF YOU HEAR
02:12 - 19.598 ABOUT IT -- AND IT IS DIFFICULT,
02:12 - 21.366 IT IS FRUSTRATING -- BUT HOW
02:12 - 23.201 TREMENDOUSLY REWARDING IT CAN
02:12 - 24.903 BE, JUST AWESOME.
02:12 - 26.872 I MEAN, I WOULDN'T TRADE MY LIFE
02:12 - 28.807 EXPERIENCE FOR ANYTHING, TO BE A
02:12 - 30.776 MOVIE STAR, TO BE A BILLIONAIRE,
02:12 - 32.744 NOTHING, BECAUSE I'VE SPENT MOST
02:12 - 34.680 OF MY ADULT LIFE USING MY ENERGY
02:12 - 36.448 AND WHATEVER TALENT I'VE GOT
02:12 - 38.216 MAKING PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER.
02:12 - 39.918 AND IT'S A WONDERFUL WAY TO
02:12 - 40.452 LIVE.
02:12 - 42.754 AND I WANTED TO SORT OF IMBUE
02:12 - 44.890 THE READER WITH THAT SENSE.
02:12 - 47.326 AND I WAS VERY PLEASED -- I DID
02:12 - 49.828 ABOUT 60 BOOK SIGNINGS.
02:12 - 51.697 I WAS VERY PLEASED THAT A LOT OF
02:12 - 53.432 YOUNG PEOPLE IN THEIR 20s AND
02:12 - 55.100 EARLY 30s WOULD COME UP THAT
02:12 - 57.002 HAVE BOUGHT THE BOOK AND WANT ME
02:12 - 57.803 TO SIGN IT.
02:12 - 59.137 >> WHAT WAS IT LIKE, ON A
02:12 - 00.639 PERSONAL LEVEL, WHEN YOU WERE
02:13 - 02.040 RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND YOUR
02:13 - 03.542 OPPONENT HAD NEGATIVE ADS AND
02:13 - 05.077 YOU'D HAVE THE TV ON AND YOU'D
02:13 - 06.678 SEE SOME NEGATIVE AD ABOUT YOU?
02:13 - 09.114 HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH THAT?
02:13 - 11.750 >> IT TICKS YOU OFF.
02:13 - 13.518 BUT YOU LEARN TO LET IT SLIDE
02:13 - 14.486 OFF YOUR BACK.
02:13 - 16.221 YOU'VE GOT TO DEVELOP A THICK
02:13 - 17.823 SKIN IN POLITICS, NOT JUST
02:13 - 19.691 BECAUSE OF THE CAMPAIGNS, WHERE
02:13 - 21.393 YOU GET NEGATIVE ADS AGAINST
02:13 - 23.195 YOU, BUT BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA.
02:13 - 27.499 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF MOSES OR
02:13 - 29.968 MUHAMMAD OR JESUS CHRIST CAME
02:13 - 32.637 BACK TO LIFE AND BECAME MAYOR OR
02:13 - 37.009 GOVERNOR OF A BIG CITY OR STATE,
02:13 - 38.677 THE PRESS WOULD BE AS CRITICAL
02:13 - 40.445 TOWARDS THEM AS THEY ARE TOWARDS
02:13 - 41.313 ANYBODY ELSE.
02:13 - 43.749 IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE'VE DEVELOPED
02:13 - 45.517 AN ADVERSARIAL TYPE OF
02:13 - 47.853 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PRESS
02:13 - 49.221 AND POLITICIANS.
02:13 - 51.523 AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
02:13 - 53.892 THAT, PER SE, BECAUSE THE PRESS
02:13 - 56.061 SHOULD BE THE WATCHDOGS WHEN
02:13 - 57.429 POLITICIANS ERR.
02:13 - 59.131 BUT ONE OF THESE DAYS, I'D LOVE
02:13 - 00.699 TO SEE THESE COLUMNISTS -- I
02:14 - 02.034 WOULD LOVE TO LIVE LONG
02:14 - 03.735 ENOUGH -- AND I KNOW THERE'S NO
02:14 - 05.103 CHANCE OF THIS -- TO SEE
02:14 - 06.772 JOHN BAER WRITE SOMETHING NICE
02:14 - 08.240 ABOUT SOMEONE IN POLITICS.
02:14 - 09.875 IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ME, BUT
02:14 - 10.475 ANYBODY.
02:14 - 12.144 JUST WRITE A COLUMN SAYING,
02:14 - 13.945 "CONGRESSMAN JONES DID A GREAT
02:14 - 15.480 THING."
02:14 - 16.815 YOU KNOW, EVEN NOW WHEN HE
02:14 - 18.050 WRITES AND HE CRITICIZES
02:14 - 19.451 GOVERNOR CORBETT FOR CUTTING
02:14 - 20.752 EDUCATION, HE DOESN'T SAY,
02:14 - 22.287 "GOVERNOR RENDELL GAVE ALL THIS
02:14 - 23.688 MONEY TO EDUCATION, AND AS A
02:14 - 25.057 RESULT, PENNSYLVANIA'S TEST
02:14 - 26.558 SCORES WHEN THROUGH THE ROOF."
02:14 - 28.894 HE CAN'T CONSTITUTIONALLY FORCE
02:14 - 31.129 HIMSELF TO SAY SOMETHING NICE
02:14 - 32.364 ABOUT ANYBODY.
02:14 - 34.666 I MEAN, I SHOULDN'T TALK, BUT I
02:14 - 36.735 WOULD HATE TO BE MRS. BAER.
02:14 - 38.870 >> [ CHUCKLES ]
02:14 - 40.872 HOW DO YOU FOLLOW THE NEWS NOW?
02:14 - 44.142 >> I STILL READ NEWSPAPERS.
02:14 - 46.645 MY SON KEEPS TRYING TO GET ME TO
02:14 - 47.646 GO ONLINE.
02:14 - 48.780 I NOW TWEET.
02:14 - 51.016 I HAVE MY OWN FACEBOOK SITE,
02:14 - 52.150 AND I TWEET.
02:14 - 53.418 BUT I STILL LOVE READING -- I
02:14 - 54.453 STILL LOVE PICKING UP A
02:14 - 55.554 NEWSPAPER AND READING IT.
02:14 - 57.556 SO, I TRY TO READ THE
02:14 - 00.125 DAILY NEWS, THE INQUIRER AS
02:15 - 01.993 MUCH MUCH AS I CAN.
02:15 - 03.762 I FOLLOW THE CLIPS FROM
02:15 - 05.931 THE PATRIOT, AND OCCASIONALLY
02:15 - 07.566 PEOPLE SEND ME STUFF.
02:15 - 09.267 AND I TRY TO READ THE TIMES AS
02:15 - 10.902 MUCH AS I CAN AND THE POST A
02:15 - 11.670 LITTLE BIT.
02:15 - 12.938 >> TELEVISION? RADIO?
02:15 - 16.775 >> I GET HOME TOO LATE FOR TV,
02:15 - 18.844 EXCEPT, OF COURSE, I READ A LOT
02:15 - 21.680 OF ARTICLES PREPPING FOR MY
02:15 - 25.016 MSNBC OR CNBC SPOTS.
02:15 - 27.119 >> NOW, SINCE YOU GOT INTO
02:15 - 29.454 POLITICS, TODAY THERE'S BEEN A
02:15 - 31.423 DECLINE IN THE IMPACT OF
02:15 - 33.091 BIG-CITY NEWSPAPERS.
02:15 - 36.428 IS THAT BETTER OR WORSE?
02:15 - 37.762 >> FOR THE OVERALL --
02:15 - 38.930 >> FOR THE PUBLIC.
02:15 - 42.767 >> WORSE.
02:15 - 44.469 ALTHOUGH THE PRESS, IN MY
02:15 - 46.538 JUDGMENT, DOESN'T DO ITS JOB
02:15 - 48.773 PERFECTLY -- AND IN SOME CASES,
02:15 - 51.042 THEY'RE IRRESPONSIBLE -- BUT IT
02:15 - 53.278 IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE
02:15 - 55.614 FABRIC OF A DEMOCRACY TO HAVE AN
02:15 - 57.916 INDEPENDENT PRESS THAT QUESTIONS
02:15 - 00.385 GOVERNMENT.
02:16 - 02.120 MY BEEF WITH THE PRESS IS THE
02:16 - 03.989 ONLY BRING UP THE NEGATIVE SIDES
02:16 - 04.956 OF GOVERNMENT.
02:16 - 06.825 THEY NEVER BRING UP THE POSITIVE
02:16 - 07.392 SIDES.
02:16 - 09.161 THERE'S A CHAPTER IN MY BOOK --
02:16 - 10.595 AND I GOT TO NAME ALL MY
02:16 - 12.364 CHAPTERS -- CHAPTER IN THE BOOK
02:16 - 13.999 CALLED "WE DON'T COVER PLANE
02:16 - 14.733 LANDINGS."
02:16 - 16.168 AND IF I CAN DIGRESS, LET ME
02:16 - 17.636 TELL YOU THE STORY ABOUT THAT
02:16 - 19.738 CHAPTER.
02:16 - 22.107 WHEN I WAS MAYOR IN 1996, THERE
02:16 - 24.509 WAS -- THE SO-CALLED BLIZZARD OF
02:16 - 26.878 THE CENTURY HIT PHILADELPHIA --
02:16 - 31.483 33 INCHES OF SHOW IN ONE DAY.
02:16 - 32.651 33 INCHES.
02:16 - 34.920 THE CITY WAS TEMPORARILY
02:16 - 36.087 PARALYZED.
02:16 - 38.523 BUT OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT WENT
02:16 - 40.759 OUT AND DID A HECK OF A JOB,
02:16 - 42.360 A HECK OF A JOB.
02:16 - 44.529 AND THE NEXT DAY, AFTER THE
02:16 - 46.798 SNOWFALL, THE INQUIRER SENT A
02:16 - 48.833 REPORTER, A YOUNG, FEMALE
02:16 - 50.569 REPORTER OUT INTO THE
02:16 - 53.071 NEIGHBORHOODS TO QUESTION PEOPLE
02:16 - 55.574 ABOUT HOW THE CITY DID WITH SNOW
02:16 - 56.441 REMOVAL.
02:16 - 58.109 SHE FOUND ALMOST UNIFORMLY
02:16 - 59.911 PEOPLE SAID THAT, CONSIDERING
02:16 - 01.413 THE CIRCUMSTANCES -- 33
02:17 - 03.315 INCHES -- THEY DID A GREAT JOB.
02:17 - 05.016 SO, SHE FILED A STORY SAYING THE
02:17 - 06.218 CITY DID A GREAT JOB.
02:17 - 07.886 HER EDITOR CALLED HER IN AND
02:17 - 09.688 SAID, "GO BACK OUT AND GET MORE
02:17 - 10.522 INTERVIEWS."
02:17 - 11.790 AND SHE SAID, "WHY?"
02:17 - 14.092 SHE SAID, "I WANT INTERVIEWS,"
02:17 - 16.561 THE EDITOR TOLD HER, "SAYING THE
02:17 - 18.196 CITY DID A BAD JOB."
02:17 - 20.599 AND SHE WAS SO UPSET BECAUSE SHE
02:17 - 22.867 THOUGHT THAT WAS WRONG FROM AN
02:17 - 24.135 INTEGRITY STANDPOINT THAT SHE
02:17 - 25.470 WENT IN TO DAVID COHEN'S -- WHO
02:17 - 26.771 WAS THEN MY CHIEF OF STAFF --
02:17 - 27.205 OFFICE.
02:17 - 28.773 SHE WAS ALMOST IN TEARS.
02:17 - 30.542 SO, DAVID CALLED THE EDITOR.
02:17 - 32.377 AND HE ABSOLUTELY BRUSHED HIM
02:17 - 34.312 OFF BY SAYING, "DAVID, WE DON'T
02:17 - 37.515 COVER PLANE LANDINGS."
02:17 - 39.517 WELL, NO, YOU DON'T COVER PLANE
02:17 - 41.419 LANDINGS, BUT WHEN GOVERNMENT
02:17 - 43.221 DOES A GOOD JOB, YOU IN THE
02:17 - 45.190 MEDIA HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
02:17 - 47.192 REPORT THAT JUST AS MUCH AS YOU
02:17 - 49.928 DO WHEN GOVERNMENT SCREWS UP.
02:17 - 51.596 >> IF YOU WERE TEACHING CLASS
02:17 - 53.331 AND YOUNG ED RENDELL WAS ONE OF
02:17 - 55.934 YOUR STUDENTS, WHAT WOULD YOU --
02:17 - 58.637 WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE HIM?
02:17 - 03.241 >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING...
02:18 - 04.609 I MEAN, THE ADVICE THAT I THINK
02:18 - 06.544 THAT I'VE -- THAT AN OLDER
02:18 - 10.315 ED RENDELL HAS FOLLOWED...
02:18 - 13.218 TRY TO -- ON EVERY ISSUE, TRY TO
02:18 - 14.986 GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU
02:18 - 16.588 CAN, TRY TO TALK TO ALL THE
02:18 - 18.223 INTERESTED PARTIES, AND THEN
02:18 - 19.991 MAKE YOUR DECISION ON WHAT YOU
02:18 - 20.892 FEEL IS BEST.
02:18 - 22.661 JUST DON'T WORRY ABOUT PLEASING
02:18 - 24.462 EVERYONE 'CAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
02:18 - 25.630 TO PLEASE EVERYONE.
02:18 - 27.365 THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU --
02:18 - 29.067 THERE WAS AN OLD SONG, I THINK
02:18 - 30.769 BY THE LOVIN' SPOONFUL -- "DID
02:18 - 32.170 YOU EVER HAVE TO FINALLY
02:18 - 32.804 DECIDE?"
02:18 - 35.006 WELL, IN POLITICS, ESPECIALLY AS
02:18 - 37.008 AN EXECUTIVE IN POLITICS, YOU
02:18 - 40.078 HAVE TO FINALLY DECIDE 10 TIMES
02:18 - 41.212 A DAY.
02:18 - 43.782 AND THE SONG GOES, "YOU HAVE TO
02:18 - 46.451 SAY YES TO ONE AND LET THE OTHER
02:18 - 47.519 ONE RIDE."
02:18 - 49.387 AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU
02:18 - 51.189 DO IN POLITICS, IN GOVERNMENT.
02:18 - 53.224 YOU DECIDE, "YES, WE'RE GONNA
02:18 - 55.093 OPEN THIS SHOPPING CENTER.
02:18 - 56.961 AND, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT
02:18 - 58.496 THERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION
02:18 - 00.098 TO IT, BUT I THINK THE NEIGHBORS
02:19 - 00.732 ARE WRONG.
02:19 - 02.300 I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, THEY'LL
02:19 - 03.468 COME TO VIEW THIS AS A
02:19 - 04.102 POSITIVE."
02:19 - 06.471 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO DO
02:19 - 07.572 IN POLITICS.
02:19 - 09.441 YOU CAN'T PLEASE ALL THE PEOPLE
02:19 - 11.209 ON EVERY ISSUE, AND YOU'LL GO
02:19 - 12.610 CRAZY TRYING TO DO IT.
02:19 - 14.479 SO, YOU'VE GOT TO DO WHAT YOU
02:19 - 15.447 FEEL IS BEST.
02:19 - 17.315 I MEAN, I WAS VERY FORTUNATE.
02:19 - 19.084 MY DAD, WHO DIED WHEN I WAS
02:19 - 20.719 14 -- PEOPLE SAY, "WHAT A
02:19 - 22.687 TRAGEDY," AND IT WAS, BUT I WAS
02:19 - 24.589 FORTUNATE HE LIVED LONG ENOUGH
02:19 - 26.291 TO GIVE ME GREAT ADVICE IN
02:19 - 27.726 VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING.
02:19 - 29.094 AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT POLITICS.
02:19 - 30.395 AND HE NEVER WAS IN POLITICS.
02:19 - 34.999 HE TOLD ME, "SON," HE SAID, "FDR
02:19 - 36.801 WAS THE MOST POPULAR POLITICIAN
02:19 - 38.536 IN MY LIFETIME, AND A THIRD OF
02:19 - 42.807 THE PEOPLE HATED HIS GUTS."
02:19 - 44.642 SO, I WOULD GIVE YOUNG ED
02:19 - 46.811 RENDELL THE SAME ADVICE MY DAD
02:19 - 49.080 GAVE ME AND THE SAME BASIC THING
02:19 - 50.882 THAT I TRIED TO LIVE BY.
02:19 - 52.684 I MEAN, WHEN I ARRESTED THE
02:19 - 54.686 OFFICERS THROUGH THE GRAND JURY
02:19 - 56.755 THAT BEAT UP DELBERT AFRICA, WHO
02:19 - 58.823 HAD SHOT AND KILLED A POLICEMAN,
02:19 - 00.825 WHO WAS PROBABLY THE MOST HATED
02:20 - 02.627 FIGURE -- NOT ONLY BY WHITE
02:20 - 03.862 PHILADELPHIA, BUT
02:20 - 05.764 AFRICAN-AMERICAN PHILADELPHIA
02:20 - 06.598 HATED HIM.
02:20 - 08.967 WHEN I DID THAT, I THOUGHT THAT
02:20 - 11.035 I WAS RISKING MY POLITICAL
02:20 - 12.804 CAREER AS A YOUNG D.A.
02:20 - 14.706 BUT I DID IT BECAUSE I BELIEVED
02:20 - 15.473 I HAD TO.
02:20 - 17.175 I BELIEVED IT WAS THE RIGHT
02:20 - 18.076 THING TO DO.
02:20 - 19.911 AND A YEAR AND A HALF LATER, I
02:20 - 21.780 GOT RE-ELECTED WITH 83% OF THE
02:20 - 23.848 VOTE AGAINST A GOOD CANDIDATE,
02:20 - 25.083 BILL CANADA, A VERY GOOD
02:20 - 25.717 CANDIDATE.
02:20 - 27.752 SO, I LEARNED AT A YOUNG AGE, DO
02:20 - 29.154 WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
02:20 - 30.989 PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU
02:20 - 32.924 WILL RESPECT YOU AND WILL VOTE
02:20 - 34.526 FOR YOU.
02:20 - 36.127 >> WELL, WHEN YOU SAY "DO WHAT
02:20 - 37.796 YOU BELIEVE IN," WHEN YOU WOULD
02:20 - 39.264 FACE SITUATIONS AND HAVE TO
02:20 - 40.765 DECIDE "A" OR "B," WHAT WERE
02:20 - 41.833 YOUR CORE BELIEFS?
02:20 - 43.468 WHAT ARE YOUR CORE BELIEFS THAT
02:20 - 45.136 YOU WOULD GO TO THAT WOULD TELL
02:20 - 46.704 YOU WHICH WAY TO COME DOWN ON
02:20 - 47.205 THOSE?
02:20 - 48.239 >> WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT
02:20 - 49.007 THING TO DO OR NOT.
02:20 - 50.875 AND IF YOU ASK FOR A CORE SORT
02:20 - 52.777 OF VALUE SYSTEM, I BELIEVE THAT
02:20 - 54.479 GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T TRY TO
02:20 - 56.314 SOLVE ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS, AND
02:20 - 58.283 IT'S NOT THE BE-ALL AND END-ALL,
02:20 - 00.018 BUT I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT,
02:21 - 02.020 PROPERLY MANAGED AND PROPERLY
02:21 - 04.155 RUN, CAN BE A TREMENDOUS FORCE
02:21 - 05.023 FOR GOOD.
02:21 - 07.058 AND I BELIEVE IN AN ACTIVIST
02:21 - 09.260 GOVERNMENT THAT TRIES TO CREATE
02:21 - 11.529 OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE
02:21 - 13.565 NONE, THAT TRIES TO CREATE A
02:21 - 14.766 SAFETY NET FOR THE MOST
02:21 - 16.100 VULNERABLE CITIZENS IN OUR
02:21 - 17.502 SOCIETY, WHO ARE VULNERABLE
02:21 - 18.903 BECAUSE OF NO FAULT OF THEIR
02:21 - 20.505 OWN -- THEY'RE VULNERABLE 'CAUSE
02:21 - 21.840 THEY'RE TOO OLD OR THEY'RE
02:21 - 23.308 VULNERABLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE TOO
02:21 - 24.709 YOUNG OR THEY'RE VULNERABLE
02:21 - 26.077 BECAUSE THEY'RE DISABLED OR
02:21 - 27.512 MENTALLY RETARDED -- THAT WE
02:21 - 28.780 HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY IN
02:21 - 30.281 GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO TAKE CARE
02:21 - 31.182 OF THOSE PEOPLE.
02:21 - 33.151 AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT
02:21 - 35.653 GOVERNMENT CAN BE A TREMENDOUS
02:21 - 37.555 POSITIVE FORCE TOWARDS
02:21 - 39.190 MOTIVATING GROWTH.
02:21 - 41.226 BY USING INCENTIVES IN A
02:21 - 43.862 PROPERLY TARGETED WAY, WE CAN BE
02:21 - 46.197 A GREAT CATALYST FOR GROWTH.
02:21 - 49.067 AND THAT'S MY CORE VALUE SYSTEM.
02:21 - 51.636 I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT CAN AND
02:21 - 54.272 SHOULD BE ACTIVIST AND TRY TO
02:21 - 56.774 HELP PEOPLE AND OUR SOCIETY
02:21 - 58.309 RESOLVE PROBLEMS AND THE
02:21 - 00.011 CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACED
02:22 - 00.545 WITH.
02:22 - 01.880 >> DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE
02:22 - 03.114 MINORITY VIEW RIGHT NOW?
02:22 - 04.449 YOU DON'T HEAR TOO MANY PEOPLE
02:22 - 07.886 STICK UP FOR GOVERNMENT.
02:22 - 09.988 >> I THINK IT'S THE MAJORITY
02:22 - 12.123 VIEW IF YOU PUT IN THE CAVEAT
02:22 - 16.294 THAT I PUT IN, THAT GOVERNMENT
02:22 - 18.663 WHO SPENDS MONEY WISELY AND WELL
02:22 - 21.032 AND WHO IMPLEMENTS PROGRAMS, YOU
02:22 - 22.467 KNOW, APPROPRIATELY AND
02:22 - 23.334 EFFICIENTLY.
02:22 - 25.203 I THINK IF PEOPLE ARE CONVINCED
02:22 - 26.938 THAT THAT'S THE GOVERNMENT
02:22 - 28.640 THEY'RE GONNA GET, THEY'LL
02:22 - 29.541 SUPPORT IT.
02:22 - 31.976 PERFECT EXAMPLE -- IF YOU SAY TO
02:22 - 34.212 PEOPLE, "DO YOU THINK THE GAS
02:22 - 36.414 TAX SHOULD BE INCREASED?" NOT
02:22 - 38.850 BY A BIG MARGIN, BUT BY 58%-42%,
02:22 - 40.418 PEOPLE WILL SAY NO.
02:22 - 42.887 AND YET IF YOU PUT ON A BALLOT,
02:22 - 45.323 "DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD RAISE A
02:22 - 47.659 HALF-CENT ON THE SALES TAX TO
02:22 - 50.194 PAY FOR THE REFURBISHING OF OUR
02:22 - 52.630 TURNPIKE IN THE STATE?" -- AND
02:22 - 55.099 I'M NOT SAYING PENNSYLVANIA --
02:22 - 57.468 ANY STATE -- PEOPLE WILL VOTE
02:22 - 58.736 FOR THAT 75%.
02:22 - 00.505 "DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD RAISE
02:23 - 02.240 THE SALES TAX TO PAY FOR THE
02:23 - 03.975 REVITALIZATION OF OUR PORT?"
02:23 - 05.109 WELL, IN RED STATE
02:23 - 06.744 SOUTH CAROLINA, THE PEOPLE OF
02:23 - 08.446 CHARLESTON HAVE VOTED TWICE TO
02:23 - 09.881 RAISE THEIR OWN TAXES TO
02:23 - 11.482 REVITALIZE THEIR PORT 'CAUSE
02:23 - 13.117 THEY UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT
02:23 - 14.586 THEIR PORT IS TO ECONOMIC
02:23 - 15.420 DEVELOPMENT.
02:23 - 17.088 75% OF TRANSPORTATION
02:23 - 19.157 REFERENDUMS, WHICH CALL FOR
02:23 - 21.159 INCREASED TOLLS, INCREASED
02:23 - 23.394 TAXES, OR INCREASED BORROWING,
02:23 - 25.730 HAVE PASSED IN THE LAST DECADE.
02:23 - 28.099 WELL, THINK ABOUT THAT SORT OF
02:23 - 28.967 PARADOX.
02:23 - 31.402 TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUMS PASS
02:23 - 34.572 BY 70%, 75%.
02:23 - 36.641 GAS-TAX INCREASE PEOPLE ARE
02:23 - 37.475 AGAINST.
02:23 - 38.810 WHY?
02:23 - 40.511 BECAUSE TO GIVE MONEY TO THE
02:23 - 41.879 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR
02:23 - 43.581 TRANSPORTATION, PEOPLE DON'T
02:23 - 45.483 BELIEVE THAT MONEY WILL BE SPENT
02:23 - 46.117 WISELY.
02:23 - 47.919 IT'LL GO TO THE BIG DIG OR THE
02:23 - 49.087 BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.
02:23 - 52.423 BUT IF THEY SEE ON A BALLOT
02:23 - 55.126 "MONEY SO WE CAN REBUILD THE
02:23 - 57.528 BRIDGE THAT GOES INTO OUR TOWN,
02:23 - 59.230 THE MAIN ARTERY," THEY'LL SAY,
02:23 - 00.898 "YEAH, THAT BRIDGE NEEDS TO BE
02:24 - 01.566 REPAIRED.
02:24 - 02.934 THAT'S A GOOD PROJECT."
02:24 - 04.402 SO, I THINK PEOPLE SUPPORT
02:24 - 05.903 GOVERNMENT WHEN GOVERNMENT
02:24 - 07.505 WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON GOOD
02:24 - 08.172 PROJECTS.
02:24 - 09.841 IF PEOPLE DIDN'T SUPPORT
02:24 - 11.743 GOVERNMENT SPENDING, HOW IN
02:24 - 13.845 GOD'S NAME WOULD I HAVE GOTTEN
02:24 - 15.613 RE-ELECTED?
02:24 - 17.915 I SPENT PROBABLY AS MUCH MONEY
02:24 - 20.318 AS ANY GOVERNOR HAS EVER SPENT,
02:24 - 22.687 AND I GOT RE-ELECTED WITH A 21%
02:24 - 24.022 MARGIN.
02:24 - 25.590 YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THAT HAVE
02:24 - 26.257 HAPPENED?
02:24 - 28.059 IT WASN'T BECAUSE MY OPPONENT
02:24 - 29.327 WASN'T WELL-FUNDED.
02:24 - 31.129 LYNN SWANN RAISED $16 MILLION
02:24 - 33.031 AND PUT ABOUT $14 MILLION OF IT
02:24 - 34.866 ON TV, REMINDING PEOPLE THAT I
02:24 - 36.668 WAS A TAX-AND-SPEND DEMOCRAT.
02:24 - 38.836 AND LYNN SWANN WAS AN ATTRACTIVE
02:24 - 39.704 CANDIDATE.
02:24 - 42.206 HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE?
02:24 - 43.741 WELL, 'CAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT,
02:24 - 45.309 "YES, HE DID RAISE OUR TAXES,
02:24 - 46.878 YES, HE DID SPEND SOME MONEY,
02:24 - 48.513 BUT WE GOT SOMETHING IN RETURN.
02:24 - 50.181 WE GOT BETTER EDUCATION FOR OUR
02:24 - 50.648 KIDS.
02:24 - 52.016 WE GOT A GROWING ECONOMY.
02:24 - 53.584 WE GOT HEALTHCARE FOR SENIORS
02:24 - 55.253 WITH THE BEST PRESCRIPTION-DRUG
02:24 - 56.587 PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY."
02:24 - 58.856 AND SO PEOPLE REWARDED ME.
02:24 - 01.492 AND SO, YES, PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT
02:25 - 04.128 GOVERNMENT SPENDING IF IT'S DONE
02:25 - 06.564 CORRECTLY AND PROPERLY AND IF
02:25 - 09.000 THEY SEE THAT IT BRINGS ABOUT
02:25 - 10.201 REAL CHANGE.
02:25 - 11.436 >> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE RISE
02:25 - 14.005 OF THE TEA PARTY?
02:25 - 15.573 >> FRUSTRATION WITH THE WAY
02:25 - 16.574 GOVERNMENT RUNS.
02:25 - 18.342 I THINK THE TEA PARTY -- IF YOU
02:25 - 19.977 LOOK AT THE ORIGIN OF THE TEA
02:25 - 21.779 PARTY, THEY WERE AGAINST SPECIAL
02:25 - 22.513 INTERESTS.
02:25 - 24.115 THEY WEREN'T SO MUCH AGAINST
02:25 - 25.316 GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
02:25 - 26.784 THEY WERE AGAINST SPECIAL
02:25 - 28.052 INTERESTS CONTROLLING
02:25 - 28.820 GOVERNMENT.
02:25 - 30.888 THEY WERE AGAINST FAT-CAT
02:25 - 32.957 CORPORATIONS AND BIG RICH
02:25 - 35.093 INDIVIDUALS DOMINATING THE
02:25 - 36.527 POLITICAL SCENE.
02:25 - 38.029 AND IT'S IRONIC.
02:25 - 40.131 WHEN THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT
02:25 - 42.734 STARTED, I SAID THE WEAKNESS OF
02:25 - 45.603 THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT WAS -- THEY
02:25 - 46.804 KNEW WHAT THEY WERE AGAINST, BUT
02:25 - 47.939 THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE
02:25 - 48.239 FOR.
02:25 - 50.541 AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO TRY TO
02:25 - 52.643 GET THE OCCUPY FOLKS TOGETHER
02:25 - 54.679 WITH THE TEA PARTY FOLKS AND
02:25 - 56.981 HAVE THEM TRY TO MOVE QUICKLY TO
02:25 - 59.183 STOP THE INFLUENCE OF BIG MONEY
02:25 - 00.251 IN POLITICS.
02:26 - 01.953 AND WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE
02:26 - 03.755 IS COMBINED ON AN ATTEMPT TO GET
02:26 - 08.326 THE STATES TO PASS RESOLUTIONS
02:26 - 09.527 CREATING A CONSTITUTIONAL
02:26 - 12.897 AMENDMENT SAYING THAT MONEY IS
02:26 - 15.199 NOT -- IN POLITICS, CONTRIBUTING
02:26 - 17.435 MONEY TO POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS IS
02:26 - 19.670 NOT FREE SPEECH AND, THEREFORE,
02:26 - 21.973 CAN BE REGULATED, AND WE CAN PUT
02:26 - 23.541 LIMITS ON INDIVIDUAL
02:26 - 24.709 CONTRIBUTIONS.
02:26 - 26.377 AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT,
02:26 - 28.079 AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR THE
02:26 - 29.514 TEA PARTY-ITES AND FOR THE
02:26 - 31.549 OCCUPY PEOPLE TO LIMIT THE
02:26 - 33.751 INFLUENCE OF BIG BUSINESS AND
02:26 - 35.987 LOBBYISTS ON OUR GOVERNMENTAL
02:26 - 36.821 PROCESS.
02:26 - 38.022 >> THAT'S AMEND THE U.S.
02:26 - 38.756 CONSTITUTION?
02:26 - 40.024 >> YEAH.
02:26 - 42.393 RIGHT NOW, THE SUPREME COURT HAS
02:26 - 44.495 DECIDED THAT GIVING MONEY TO
02:26 - 46.664 POLITICS IS FREE SPEECH, IS A
02:26 - 48.900 FORM OF SPEECH, AND THEREFORE,
02:26 - 50.635 IT CANNOT BE ABRIDGED.
02:26 - 52.236 >> ARE THERE OTHER CHANGES YOU'D
02:26 - 55.273 MAKE TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION?
02:26 - 57.208 >> NOT NECESSARILY CHANGES I'D
02:26 - 59.110 MAKE TO THE CONSTITUTION, BUT
02:26 - 01.145 I'D CHANGE THE WAY WE SELECT OUR
02:27 - 02.046 PRESIDENTS.
02:27 - 04.849 IT'S LUDICROUS.
02:27 - 06.884 RICK SANTORUM, WHO'S MY FRIEND,
02:27 - 08.653 EVEN THOUGH WE DISAGREE ON
02:27 - 10.655 ALMOST EVERYTHING -- RICK TOLD
02:27 - 12.657 ME HE DID 107 TOWN MEETINGS IN
02:27 - 15.259 IOWA.
02:27 - 17.195 IF RICK HAS LASTED -- AND HE DID
02:27 - 18.996 A GOOD RUN AGAINST MITT ROMNEY
02:27 - 20.865 IN 2012 -- BUT IF HE HAD STAYED
02:27 - 22.767 IN THE RACE A LITTLE BIT LONGER,
02:27 - 24.235 THEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO
02:27 - 28.039 CALIFORNIA, 36 MILLION PEOPLE,
02:27 - 29.907 AS OPPOSED TO IOWA'S 2 MILLION
02:27 - 31.809 PEOPLE AND NEW HAMPSHIRE'S ONE
02:27 - 33.511 MILLION PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
02:27 - 35.613 THEY WOULD HAVE SPENT FOUR DAYS
02:27 - 37.381 CAMPAIGNING IN CALIFORNIA
02:27 - 39.350 BECAUSE THE EMPHASIS HAS TILTED
02:27 - 40.651 SO MUCH TO IOWA AND
02:27 - 41.686 NEW HAMPSHIRE.
02:27 - 42.820 WHY SHOULD IOWA AND
02:27 - 44.355 NEW HAMPSHIRE DECIDE WHO THE
02:27 - 45.857 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ARE
02:27 - 46.524 GONNA BE?
02:27 - 48.125 THEY'RE STATES THAT DON'T HAVE
02:27 - 49.794 VERY MANY MINORITIES, THAT DON'T
02:27 - 51.295 LOOK LIKE THE UNITED STATES,
02:27 - 52.797 THAT ARE BASICALLY NON-UNION
02:27 - 53.331 STATES.
02:27 - 54.899 THEY'RE STATES THAT DON'T HAVE A
02:27 - 56.234 LOT OF HEAVY MANUFACTURING.
02:27 - 58.970 IT'S CRAZY FOR THEM TO DECIDE.
02:27 - 00.938 WHEN I WAS DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN,
02:28 - 02.506 THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S
02:28 - 04.508 ORGANIZATION RECOMMENDED THAT WE
02:28 - 07.578 CHANGE AND HAVE 5 REGIONAL
02:28 - 09.714 PRIMARIES, 10 STATES IN EACH
02:28 - 12.049 PRIMARY, AND THEY WOULD BE HELD
02:28 - 14.085 A MONTH APART, STARTING IN
02:28 - 16.487 JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL,
02:28 - 17.488 AND MAY.
02:28 - 19.991 AND EACH PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE,
02:28 - 21.759 THEY WOULD ROTATE.
02:28 - 23.895 SO, IF YOUR STATE, YOUR REGION,
02:28 - 25.897 WAS THE FIRST TO GO IN, LET'S
02:28 - 27.732 SAY, THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL
02:28 - 29.901 ELECTION, YOU WOULD THEN GO BACK
02:28 - 31.035 TO THE BOTTOM.
02:28 - 33.104 YOU'D BE THE FIFTH TOWARDS THE
02:28 - 35.039 END IN THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL
02:28 - 35.873 ELECTION.
02:28 - 37.808 SO, NO ONE REGION ALWAYS WENT
02:28 - 39.644 FIRST, AND NO 2 STATES WERE
02:28 - 41.512 INVOLVED, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO
02:28 - 43.381 CAMPAIGN IN 10 STATES AT THE
02:28 - 44.248 SAME TIME.
02:28 - 45.816 AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT
02:28 - 47.418 IDEA, AND I ADVOCATED THAT IDEA
02:28 - 48.953 UNTIL THE GORE CAMPAIGN SAID,
02:28 - 50.321 "NOPE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO
02:28 - 51.889 THAT," 'CAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID
02:28 - 53.057 OF OFFENDING IOWA AND
02:28 - 54.825 NEW HAMPSHIRE.
02:28 - 56.193 >> WELL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
02:28 - 57.461 A NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY AND A
02:28 - 58.596 CALIFORNIA PRIMARY IS THE
02:28 - 59.730 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RETAIL
02:28 - 00.865 POLITICS AND A TELEVISION
02:29 - 01.399 CAMPAIGN.
02:29 - 03.100 IS THERE SOMETHING LOST?
02:29 - 04.769 YOU SEEM TO ENJOY RETAIL
02:29 - 06.470 POLITICS, THE ONE-ON-ONE
02:29 - 07.338 HANDSHAKE.
02:29 - 08.739 >> AND THERE'S NO REASON YOU
02:29 - 10.141 CAN'T DO RETAIL POLITICS, BUT
02:29 - 11.575 THERE'S NO REASON THAT PEOPLE
02:29 - 12.910 WHO HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A BIG
02:29 - 14.178 STATE SHOULD BE PUNISHED.
02:29 - 16.147 I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT.
02:29 - 18.416 WE HAVE A PRIMARY SYSTEM WHERE
02:29 - 20.584 STATES WHOSE PRIMARIES ARE IN
02:29 - 22.987 APRIL AND MAY AND JUNE BASICALLY
02:29 - 24.322 NEVER GET ANY PART OF THE
02:29 - 24.855 ACTION.
02:29 - 28.659 NOW, IN CLINTON VERSUS OBAMA,
02:29 - 30.461 THEY DID, BUT GENERALLY, THEY
02:29 - 31.028 DON'T.
02:29 - 32.129 AND THEN IN PRESIDENTIAL
02:29 - 33.431 ELECTIONS, I WOULD CHANGE THE
02:29 - 36.701 WAY WE DO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
02:29 - 40.504 I WOULD MAKE EACH -- I WOULD
02:29 - 42.406 EITHER GET RID OF THE ELECTORAL
02:29 - 43.741 COLLEGE AND JUST HAVE
02:29 - 45.476 POPULAR-VOTE WINS, OR, IF WE
02:29 - 47.178 KEEP THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE,
02:29 - 48.846 EVERY STATE WOULD APPORTION
02:29 - 51.349 THEIR ELECTION VOTES BY THE
02:29 - 54.719 PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULAR VOTE
02:29 - 55.786 THAT SOMEONE GETS.
02:29 - 57.855 SO, LET'S SAY PENNSYLVANIA HAS
02:29 - 59.657 20 ELECTORAL VOTES AND ONE
02:29 - 01.592 CANDIDATE -- BARACK OBAMA --
02:30 - 03.260 GETS 60% OF THE VOTE IN
02:30 - 05.196 PENNSYLVANIA AND MITT ROMNEY
02:30 - 07.531 GETS 40%, SO THAT
02:30 - 09.900 PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD GET 12 OUT
02:30 - 12.069 OF THE 20 ELECTORAL VOTES AND
02:30 - 14.705 MITT ROMNEY WOULD GET 8.
02:30 - 16.974 I MEAN, THAT'S MUCH FAIRER THAN
02:30 - 19.043 SOMEONE WINNING THE STATE BY
02:30 - 21.278 10,000 VOTES AND GETTING ALL 20
02:30 - 22.613 ELECTORAL VOTES.
02:30 - 24.615 AND THAT WOULD BRING THE
02:30 - 27.018 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN INTO ALL
02:30 - 28.052 50 STATES.
02:30 - 29.553 THINK ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL
02:30 - 30.721 CAMPAIGN WE HAVE NOW.
02:30 - 32.423 CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, AND TEXAS,
02:30 - 34.091 THREE OF THE FOUR BIGGEST STATES
02:30 - 35.559 IN THE UNION, NEVER GET ANY
02:30 - 36.961 POLITICAL ADS 'CAUSE EVERYONE
02:30 - 38.162 KNOWS TEXAS IS GONNA VOTE
02:30 - 39.563 REPUBLICAN AND CALIFORNIA AND
02:30 - 40.698 NEW YORK ARE GONNA VOTE
02:30 - 43.434 DEMOCRAT.
02:30 - 45.202 THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 11 STATES
02:30 - 47.038 THAT GET A LOT OF POLITICAL ADS
02:30 - 48.739 AND GET THE CANDIDATE'S VISIT
02:30 - 50.307 BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SO-CALLED
02:30 - 52.009 SWING STATES AND BECAUSE WE HAVE
02:30 - 53.811 WINNER-TAKE-ALL ELECTORAL VOTES.
02:30 - 55.513 IF WE APPORTIONED OUR ELECTORAL
02:30 - 57.048 VOTES, EVERY STATE WOULD BE
02:30 - 58.516 IMPORTANT.
02:30 - 00.851 >> YOU SAID EARLIER ON IN THIS
02:31 - 02.119 SERIES THAT YOU DID NOT GROW UP
02:31 - 03.154 IN A RELIGIOUS HOUSEHOLD.
02:31 - 03.988 >> NO, NOT AT ALL.
02:31 - 05.156 >> IS THAT AN ISSUE YOU CAN'T
02:31 - 06.390 REALLY TALK ABOUT IN POLITICS?
02:31 - 07.725 CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF
02:31 - 10.027 RELIGION IN POLITICS?
02:31 - 12.063 >> FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE THAT
02:31 - 14.065 THERE'S A SUPERIOR BEING AND I
02:31 - 15.833 BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A GOD
02:31 - 17.902 'CAUSE INTELLECTUALLY IT'S
02:31 - 20.104 IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK HOW LIFE
02:31 - 23.140 STARTED WITHOUT THERE BEING A
02:31 - 23.574 GOD.
02:31 - 25.843 YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE EVOLVED FROM,
02:31 - 29.547 YOU KNOW, TADPOLES IN THE OCEAN.
02:31 - 30.948 BUT SOMEBODY CREATED THOSE
02:31 - 31.582 TADPOLES.
02:31 - 32.917 SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE,
02:31 - 34.151 SOMEBODY HAD TO CREATE
02:31 - 34.819 SOMETHING.
02:31 - 36.854 SO, I BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT I
02:31 - 38.823 DON'T BELIEVE IN ORGANIZED
02:31 - 41.158 RELIGION, ALTHOUGH I AM PROUD TO
02:31 - 43.394 BE OF THE JEWISH ORIGIN, AND I
02:31 - 45.563 TRY TO HELP THE JEWS IN EVERY
02:31 - 46.831 WAY THAT I CAN.
02:31 - 48.933 AND I RESPECT PEOPLE WHO ARE
02:31 - 51.235 INVOLVED IN ORGANIZED RELIGION.
02:31 - 53.003 BUT I THINK THAT THE SEPARATION
02:31 - 55.806 OF THE CITIZENS OF THE EARTH BY
02:31 - 58.476 RELIGION HAS CAUSED MORE HARM
02:31 - 01.011 THAN GOOD.
02:32 - 02.780 YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST.
02:32 - 04.482 IT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION OF
02:32 - 06.383 MUSLIMS VERSUS OTHER RELIGIONS.
02:32 - 08.352 IT'S TWO DIFFERENT MUSLIM SECTS,
02:32 - 10.321 THE SUNNI AND THE SHIITES -- AND
02:32 - 12.256 THROW THE KURDS IN -- BASICALLY
02:32 - 14.158 AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS, TRYING
02:32 - 15.860 TO KILL EACH OTHER, BECAUSE
02:32 - 17.661 THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT SECTS OF
02:32 - 19.196 THE SAME RELIGION.
02:32 - 21.499 AND YOU HAVE ISIS DECAPITATING
02:32 - 23.534 INNOCENT PEOPLE AND SAYING
02:32 - 25.870 THEY'RE DOING IT IN THE NAME OF
02:32 - 26.804 THE LORD.
02:32 - 29.273 AS PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID, WHAT
02:32 - 33.010 RELIGION -- WHAT RELIGION --
02:32 - 35.346 WHAT GOD WOULD SAY THAT
02:32 - 38.449 DECAPITATING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING
02:32 - 40.918 WAS SOMETHING YOU COULD DO AND
02:32 - 42.953 THAT IT WOULD BE RIGHT?"
02:32 - 44.922 YOU KNOW? IT'S CRAZY.
02:32 - 47.758 AND ORGANIZED RELIGION CAUSES US
02:32 - 50.427 TO HAVE DIFFERENCES, AND WE'RE
02:32 - 52.563 ALL BASICALLY THE SAME.
02:32 - 54.265 AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, IF
02:32 - 56.233 THERE IS A LORD -- AND I BELIEVE
02:32 - 58.102 THERE IS -- AND IF THERE IS AN
02:32 - 59.904 AFTERLIFE -- AND I'M NOT SURE
02:32 - 01.906 THERE IS, BUT IF THERE IS -- YOU
02:33 - 03.707 WILL GET TAKEN CARE OF BY THE
02:33 - 05.576 LIFE YOU LEAD, NOT BY HOW MUCH
02:33 - 07.278 TIME YOU SPEND IN CHURCH OR
02:33 - 08.712 SYNAGOGUE OR WHATEVER.
02:33 - 10.548 IN FACT, I SAID THIS ONCE AT A
02:33 - 12.483 SPEECH, AND I GOT INTO ALL SORTS
02:33 - 14.318 OF TROUBLE WITH THE FEDERATION
02:33 - 15.920 OF JEWISH AGENCIES, BUT MY
02:33 - 17.488 FATHER -- WHEN HE TOLD MY
02:33 - 19.223 BROTHER AND I WHY WE WEREN'T
02:33 - 21.058 GONNA BE SENT TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
02:33 - 22.726 AND WHY WE WEREN'T GONNA BE
02:33 - 24.495 BAR MITZVAHED, HE SAID TO US,
02:33 - 26.497 "BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO SPEND
02:33 - 28.265 THE MOST TIME IN SHUL --"
02:33 - 30.467 THAT'S TEMPLE -- "THE PEOPLE WHO
02:33 - 32.536 SPEND THE MOST TIME IN TEMPLE,
02:33 - 34.605 PRAYING ON A SATURDAY, ARE THE
02:33 - 36.607 BIGGEST CROOKS FROM MONDAY TO
02:33 - 37.374 FRIDAY."
02:33 - 39.410 NOW, I DON'T THINK MY FATHER
02:33 - 41.679 MEANT EVERYBODY, BUT WHAT HE WAS
02:33 - 43.881 SAYING IS THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU
02:33 - 45.916 SPEND TIME IN A BUILDING AND
02:33 - 48.052 BECAUSE YOU GIVE MONEY AND LIP
02:33 - 49.787 SERVICE TO AN ORGANIZED
02:33 - 51.855 RELIGION -- THAT DOESN'T MEAN
02:33 - 54.024 THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE LORD
02:33 - 55.960 IF YOU SPEND THE OTHER TIME
02:33 - 57.828 DOING MISDEEDS TO PEOPLE,
02:33 - 59.964 CHEATING PEOPLE, STEALING FROM
02:33 - 01.999 PEOPLE, ET CETERA.
02:34 - 03.834 IT'S THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE
02:34 - 05.703 THAT WILL DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF
02:34 - 06.870 AFTERLIFE YOU HAVE.
02:34 - 10.107 AND I BELIEVE THAT WITH ALL MY
02:34 - 11.675 HEART AND SOUL.
02:34 - 12.676 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK POLITICS
02:34 - 13.777 WILL BE LIKE 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS,
02:34 - 14.478 30 YEARS FROM NOW?
02:34 - 16.780 >> GOD KNOWS.
02:34 - 18.782 I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA HAS
02:34 - 21.085 PROBABLY DONE, AGAIN, GOOD IN
02:34 - 23.220 THE SENSE THAT IT GETS THE
02:34 - 25.689 POLITICAL DIALOGUE OUT THERE TO
02:34 - 27.958 A BROADER AUDIENCE, BUT HARM
02:34 - 30.427 BECAUSE IT'S JUST A LICENSE FOR
02:34 - 32.930 EVERY CRACKPOT TO PUT STUFF
02:34 - 34.898 ONLINE AND NOT USE THEIR OWN
02:34 - 37.067 NAME, HAVE BLOGS THAT YOU CAN'T
02:34 - 38.802 TRACE BACK TO ANYBODY IN
02:34 - 39.770 PARTICULAR.
02:34 - 41.705 I THINK WE SHOULD PASS A FEDERAL
02:34 - 42.740 LAW -- PROBABLY
02:34 - 44.575 UNCONSTITUTIONAL -- BUT PASS A
02:34 - 46.443 LAW THAT SAYS ANYBODY WHO POSTS
02:34 - 49.647 ANYTHING -- AN E-MAIL, A TWEET,
02:34 - 51.081 A BLOG -- ANYBODY WHO POSTS
02:34 - 52.650 ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET MUST
02:34 - 53.984 GIVE THEIR RIGHT NAME AND
02:34 - 54.585 ADDRESS.
02:34 - 55.886 AND BY THE WAY, WITH GPS
02:34 - 57.388 TECHNOLOGY, WE COULD FIND OUT
02:34 - 58.922 WHETHER THAT WAS TRUE OR NOT.
02:34 - 01.659 I MEAN, YOU SHOULD SEE -- MY
02:35 - 03.727 SON, JESSE, CONVINCED ME I HAD
02:35 - 05.763 TO GO ON TWITTER BECAUSE IT'S
02:35 - 07.731 IMPORTANT FOR THE BRAND, AND
02:35 - 09.099 SINCE I AM SELLING
02:35 - 10.467 EDWARD G. RENDELL, IT'S
02:35 - 11.902 IMPORTANT FOR THE BRAND.
02:35 - 13.570 AND I THINK HE'S RIGHT, AND I
02:35 - 14.538 ENJOY TWEETING.
02:35 - 16.140 AND I HAVE A FIRM THAT TWEETS
02:35 - 17.808 OUT WHEN I'M GONNA BE ON TV OR
02:35 - 19.510 WHEN I'M GIVING A SPEECH, BUT I
02:35 - 22.046 TWEET A LOT MYSELF.
02:35 - 23.881 BUT THE TWEETS THAT YOU GET
02:35 - 27.351 BACK -- 70% OF THEM ARE FROM
02:35 - 29.353 GOOD PEOPLE AND GOOD CITIZENS
02:35 - 31.088 WHO MAKE GOOD, THOUGHTFUL
02:35 - 31.922 COMMENTS.
02:35 - 34.892 BUT MAYBE 10%, 15%, 20% OF THEM
02:35 - 37.461 ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO MUST BE
02:35 - 40.297 CRAZY AND USE THE INTERNET AS A
02:35 - 42.499 LICENSE TO JUST POP OFF VICIOUS
02:35 - 43.801 AND VILE THINGS.
02:35 - 46.203 I MEAN, I GOT ATTACKED ONCE
02:35 - 48.839 AFTER THE POSTGAME EAGLES SHOW
02:35 - 52.309 BECAUSE THIS GUY SAID THAT ALL I
02:35 - 53.977 WANTED TO DO WAS UNMENTIONABLE
02:35 - 56.180 THINGS TO BLACK QUARTERBACKS
02:35 - 58.115 'CAUSE I WAS TOO SOFT ON
02:35 - 59.683 DONOVAN McNABB AND
02:35 - 02.086 MICHAEL VICK AND THAT JEWS HAVE
02:36 - 03.954 ALWAYS BEEN LACKEYS FOR
02:36 - 05.823 AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THE --
02:36 - 07.424 AND I'M LEAVING OUT THE
02:36 - 08.459 OBSCENITIES.
02:36 - 10.561 IT WAS VILE AND VICIOUS STUFF.
02:36 - 12.396 AND HE SIGNED HIS NAME.
02:36 - 14.164 HIS TWITTER HANDLE WAS
02:36 - 16.033 LEONARD GOOSECOCK.
02:36 - 19.403 AND I FINALLY BLOCKED HIM
02:36 - 20.738 BECAUSE YOU CAN BLOCK PEOPLE
02:36 - 24.875 FROM -- AND THE NEXT DAY, I GOT
02:36 - 26.310 A VICIOUS AND VILE TWEET FROM
02:36 - 28.545 TIMOTHY DUCKCOCK.
02:36 - 29.847 SO, HE WENT FROM GOOSECOCK TO
02:36 - 30.981 DUCKCOCK.
02:36 - 32.516 >> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT
02:36 - 34.385 ABOUT, LOOKING BACK ON ALL YOUR
02:36 - 36.120 EXPERIENCES IN POLITICS, THE
02:36 - 37.421 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
02:36 - 41.091 PHILADELPHIA AND PENNSYLVANIA?
02:36 - 42.726 >> WELL, IT'S NOT A GOOD
02:36 - 43.727 RELATIONSHIP.
02:36 - 45.763 PHILADELPHIA'S THE WHIPPING BOY
02:36 - 47.297 FOR MOST OF THE STATE.
02:36 - 48.732 AND IT'S INTERESTING.
02:36 - 50.601 IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE SO MUCH.
02:36 - 52.970 IT'S THE POLITICIANS, AGAIN.
02:36 - 55.205 'CAUSE HERE'S THE SCENARIO --
02:36 - 00.511 SENATOR JONES IS FROM A MIDDLE
02:37 - 01.779 PART OF THE STATE.
02:37 - 03.347 AND THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE
02:37 - 04.782 PART OF THE STATE -- THEY
02:37 - 06.583 DEFINITELY WANT THE A-B-C BRIDGE
02:37 - 08.051 TORN DOWN AND A NEW BRIDGE
02:37 - 10.387 BUILT.
02:37 - 11.922 AND SENATOR JONES IS NOT A VERY
02:37 - 12.923 EFFECTIVE SENATOR.
02:37 - 14.291 HE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH POWER.
02:37 - 15.426 NOBODY RESPECTS HIM IN
02:37 - 16.126 HARRISBURG.
02:37 - 18.061 SO, THE END OF THE SESSION, HE
02:37 - 19.797 DOESN'T HAVE MONEY FOR THE
02:37 - 21.565 BRIDGE, FOR THE NEW BRIDGE.
02:37 - 23.066 SO, HE CAN'T COME BACK AND TELL
02:37 - 24.535 PEOPLE -- "SENATOR, WHY DIDN'T
02:37 - 25.903 YOU GET US MONEY FOR THE NEW
02:37 - 26.437 BRIDGE?"
02:37 - 28.505 HE CAN'T SAY, "BECAUSE I'M AN
02:37 - 30.107 INCOMPETENT SENATOR."
02:37 - 32.342 HE SAYS, "BECAUSE PHILADELPHIA
02:37 - 34.745 GETS ALL THE MONEY."
02:37 - 36.413 WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
02:37 - 38.682 PHILADELPHIA SENDS MORE MONEY TO
02:37 - 40.951 HARRISBURG IN TAXES THAN IT GETS
02:37 - 41.552 BACK.
02:37 - 43.187 AND WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR, I KNEW
02:37 - 44.755 THAT I'D BE FACING THIS ISSUE.
02:37 - 46.790 SO, DONNA COOPER, YOU KNOW, MY
02:37 - 48.759 BRILLIANT POLICY SECRETARY --
02:37 - 50.694 SHE WOULD KEEP TRACK OF EVERY
02:37 - 52.629 DIME THAT WENT FROM THE STATE
02:37 - 54.097 INTO ALL 67 COUNTIES.
02:37 - 55.466 AND WE HAD A CHART.
02:37 - 57.968 AND WE COMPUTED IT NOT ONLY BY
02:37 - 00.537 TOTAL MONEY, BUT BY DOLLARS PER
02:38 - 01.405 CAPITA.
02:38 - 03.240 AND IF YOU DID DOLLARS PER
02:38 - 05.375 CAPITA, OUT OF THE 67 COUNTIES,
02:38 - 07.578 PHILADELPHIA RANKED LIKE 36th IN
02:38 - 09.546 THE HIGHEST MONEY IT GOT PER
02:38 - 10.247 CAPITA.
02:38 - 12.216 EVEN IF YOU DID IT ON RAW
02:38 - 14.618 DOLLARS, PHILADELPHIA, WITH 1.5
02:38 - 16.920 MILLION PEOPLE, CAME IN SECOND
02:38 - 19.189 TO ALLEGHENY COUNTY, WITH 1.4
02:38 - 21.091 MILLION PEOPLE -- IN RAW
02:38 - 21.959 DOLLARS.
02:38 - 24.495 BUT IN TERMS OF DOLLAR PER
02:38 - 26.597 CAPITA, WE WERE 36th.
02:38 - 28.198 SO -- AND OF COURSE WE'D SHOW
02:38 - 29.967 PEOPLE THAT CHART, AND WE'D SHOW
02:38 - 31.502 THEM ALL THE BACKGROUND, THE
02:38 - 33.170 INFORMATION THAT WENT INTO IT.
02:38 - 36.373 NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE US.
02:38 - 38.742 >> AND THEN THE RELATIONSHIP
02:38 - 41.111 BETWEEN PENNSYLVANIA AND THE
02:38 - 42.613 REST OF THE U.S.
02:38 - 44.214 AND CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE
02:38 - 45.182 PENNSYLVANIA?
02:38 - 47.150 >> WELL, WE ARE THE KEYSTONE
02:38 - 47.818 STATE.
02:38 - 51.188 I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A MISNOMER.
02:38 - 53.824 CAN I HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER?
02:38 - 55.425 AS MOST PENNSYLVANIANS KNOW,
02:38 - 58.495 WE'RE BASICALLY A RECTANGLE.
02:38 - 00.330 IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE
02:39 - 02.399 STATE, SCRANTON, WILKES-BARRE,
02:39 - 04.401 ALLENTOWN, BETHLEHEM, EASTON,
02:39 - 06.470 PHILADELPHIA, AND PHILADELPHIA
02:39 - 08.205 SUBURBS DOWN HERE, HARRISBURG
02:39 - 09.840 DOWN HERE, STATE COLLEGE UP
02:39 - 12.476 HERE, ERIE, JOHNSTOWN, ALTOONA,
02:39 - 14.845 PITTSBURGH IN THE SOUTHWEST
02:39 - 16.079 CORNER HERE.
02:39 - 18.582 AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, THE EASTERN
02:39 - 20.851 SEABOARD COMES FROM MAINE TO
02:39 - 21.718 FLORIDA.
02:39 - 24.521 AND WE ARE THE PASS-THROUGH
02:39 - 27.558 STATE FOR THE EASTERN SEABOARD
02:39 - 28.892 BECAUSE -- THIS IS AN
02:39 - 30.260 INTERESTING STATISTIC.
02:39 - 31.995 THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE
02:39 - 33.864 STATE OF NEW JERSEY HAVE ROUGHLY
02:39 - 37.301 25 MILLION PEOPLE TOGETHER.
02:39 - 39.036 PENNSYLVANIA HAS ABOUT 12 1/2
02:39 - 40.671 MILLION PEOPLE.
02:39 - 45.943 YET WE HAVE ALMOST 150% OF THE
02:39 - 47.911 ROADS -- WE HAVE FAR MORE ROADS,
02:39 - 49.646 MILES OF ROADS AND HIGHWAYS,
02:39 - 51.615 THAN NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY PUT
02:39 - 52.349 TOGETHER.
02:39 - 54.785 IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE I-80 THAT
02:39 - 57.087 GOES HERE, WE HAVE 22 AND 78
02:39 - 59.256 THAT GO THERE, WE HAVE THE
02:39 - 01.558 TURNPIKE THAT GOES THERE, WE
02:40 - 03.527 HAVE 11/15 THAT GOES DOWN THE
02:40 - 04.995 MIDDLE OF THE STATE.
02:40 - 06.797 WE HAVE ROADS ALL OVER THE
02:40 - 08.899 STATE, AND PEOPLE GO FROM NORTH
02:40 - 10.834 TO SOUTH, FROM EAST TO WEST,
02:40 - 12.336 THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA.
02:40 - 14.404 SO, WE TRULY ARE THE KEYSTONE TO
02:40 - 16.340 THE STATE, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS
02:40 - 18.275 SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO REBUILD
02:40 - 20.310 OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHY I CARED
02:40 - 22.346 SO MUCH ABOUT IT, WHY I BORROWED
02:40 - 24.414 SO MUCH MONEY TO HAVE US REBUILD
02:40 - 25.682 OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHY
02:40 - 27.250 GOVERNOR CORBETT DID THE RIGHT
02:40 - 28.752 THING BY RAISING THE GAS TAX,
02:40 - 30.387 EVEN THOUGH IT'S A WHOPPER OF A
02:40 - 31.188 TAX INCREASE.
02:40 - 34.124 HE DID THE RIGHT THING.
02:40 - 36.226 AND SO WE ARE CENTRAL TO THE
02:40 - 38.462 ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE EASTERN
02:40 - 40.430 SEABOARD, THE MID-ATLANTIC
02:40 - 42.399 STATES, AND THE MIDWESTERN
02:40 - 43.767 STATES.
02:40 - 45.202 WE ALSO USED TO BE THE
02:40 - 47.037 INDUSTRIAL BREADBASKET OF THE
02:40 - 48.972 COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAD IRON AND
02:40 - 52.809 STEEL AND ALUMINUM, AND ALL
02:40 - 54.611 THOSE THINGS -- AND COAL -- WERE
02:40 - 56.313 FOUND IN THE GROUND.
02:40 - 57.948 WELL, THE MARCELLUS SHALE -- AND
02:40 - 59.549 THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO
02:40 - 00.617 HAVE IT DONE RIGHT.
02:41 - 02.119 AND I THINK MY ADMINISTRATION
02:41 - 03.453 DID IT RIGHT, AND I THINK
02:41 - 04.588 GENERALLY THE CORBETT
02:41 - 05.956 ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE IT
02:41 - 06.456 RIGHT.
02:41 - 09.926 WITH THE SHALE GAS, WITH THE
02:41 - 13.096 COAL THAT'S STILL USABLE, WE
02:41 - 16.366 ARE -- WITH CELLULOSIC ETHANOL
02:41 - 18.735 THAT COMES FROM WOOD CHIPS, WE
02:41 - 21.471 HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE
02:41 - 23.473 ENERGY BREADBASKET OF THE
02:41 - 24.941 COUNTRY, AS WELL.
02:41 - 26.877 SO, WE'RE A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
02:41 - 28.578 STATE TO THE COUNTRY FOR ALL
02:41 - 30.047 THOSE REASONS AND MORE.
02:41 - 31.748 AND PLUS, THE HERITAGE OF THE
02:41 - 32.416 COUNTRY.
02:41 - 33.817 MORE THINGS HAPPENED IN
02:41 - 35.686 PHILADELPHIA THAN IN ANY CITY --
02:41 - 37.487 OF IMPORTANCE TO THE COUNTRY --
02:41 - 39.189 THAN ANY CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
02:41 - 40.857 THINGS HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH
02:41 - 42.459 AND THE SOUTHWEST THAT WERE
02:41 - 44.061 VITAL TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF
02:41 - 44.961 THIS COUNTRY.
02:41 - 46.997 YORK WAS A CAPITAL OF THE
02:41 - 48.298 UNITED STATES.
02:41 - 49.933 PEOPLE FORGET THAT.
02:41 - 51.935 SO, WE HAVE A RICH TRADITION,
02:41 - 56.640 HERITAGE, HISTORY, INDUSTRIAL
02:41 - 59.009 STRENGTH, KEYSTONE STATE IN
02:41 - 01.144 TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
02:42 - 03.213 WE'RE A VITAL COG THAT AMERICA
02:42 - 04.181 DEPENDS ON.
02:42 - 05.515 >> ARE THERE SOME THINGS ABOUT
02:42 - 06.850 PENNSYLVANIA YOU WISH YOU COULD
02:42 - 08.251 JUST SHAKE THEM OR IT FRUSTRATES
02:42 - 09.586 YOU THAT THEY ARE THE WAY THEY
02:42 - 09.920 ARE?
02:42 - 10.654 >> NO.
02:42 - 12.322 TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, EVERYONE
02:42 - 13.924 TOLD ME THAT PENNSYLVANIA WAS
02:42 - 15.492 GONNA BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO
02:42 - 16.626 BRING ABOUT CHANGE.
02:42 - 18.195 AND IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
02:42 - 19.496 REMEMBER, BUT AFTER I GOT
02:42 - 20.964 ELECTED MAYOR, I WENT ON AN --
02:42 - 22.466 I MEAN -- MAYOR -- GOVERNOR --
02:42 - 23.333 I WENT ON AN
02:42 - 24.968 ECONOMIC-DEVELOPMENT TOUR,
02:42 - 26.870 BEFORE I BECAME GOVERNOR, IN THE
02:42 - 28.739 MONTHS OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER
02:42 - 29.940 AND EARLY JANUARY.
02:42 - 31.641 I HAD 11 ECONOMIC-DEVELOPMENT
02:42 - 33.343 SUMMITS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF
02:42 - 34.077 THE STATE.
02:42 - 36.279 AND I REMEMBER I WAS UP IN THE
02:42 - 38.381 POCONOS, AND WE CAME IN LATE
02:42 - 39.716 WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
02:42 - 42.352 THE SUMMIT WAS THURSDAY MORNING,
02:42 - 44.421 FROM LIKE 10:00 TO 1:00.
02:42 - 46.957 AND I REMEMBER I WAS EATING
02:42 - 49.259 BREAKFAST WITH TWO STATE
02:42 - 50.360 TROOPERS.
02:42 - 52.629 AND WE WERE IN THIS LOVELY PLACE
02:42 - 53.830 IN THE POCONOS.
02:42 - 56.233 AND THIS MAN CAME BUSTLING OUT
02:42 - 58.502 OF THE KITCHEN WITH A CHEF'S
02:42 - 59.469 APRON ON.
02:42 - 00.771 I LATER FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS
02:43 - 02.806 THE OWNER.
02:43 - 04.174 AND HE COMES BUSTLING OUT OF THE
02:43 - 05.442 KITCHEN AND THERE WEREN'T MANY
02:43 - 06.810 PEOPLE IN THE DINING ROOM AND HE
02:43 - 08.145 LOOKS UP AND LOOKS AT ME AND HE
02:43 - 10.781 SAYS, "ARE YOU RENDELL?"
02:43 - 13.717 AND I SAID, "YES, SIR."
02:43 - 14.785 HE SAID, "GOOD."
02:43 - 16.586 HE COMES OVER, AND HE SAYS, "I
02:43 - 18.288 LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING.
02:43 - 20.190 THIS STATE HASN'T HAD A NEW IDEA
02:43 - 23.126 SINE 1935."
02:43 - 25.061 BINGO. WALKS AWAY.
02:43 - 26.830 AND I MEANT TO ASK HIM, "WHAT
02:43 - 28.732 WAS THE NEW IDEA IN 1935?" BUT I
02:43 - 30.400 COULDN'T CATCH UP WITH HIM.
02:43 - 31.334 >> [ LAUGHS ]
02:43 - 32.836 >> BUT THERE WAS THAT SENSE THAT
02:43 - 34.271 THIS WAS AN IMPOSSIBLE STATE TO
02:43 - 34.771 CHANGE.
02:43 - 36.840 WELL, WE CHANGED VIRTUALLY
02:43 - 37.908 EVERYTHING.
02:43 - 40.977 AS I SAID IN AN EARLIER PART OF
02:43 - 44.281 OUR TAPING, EVERY PROMISE THAT I
02:43 - 46.650 MADE IN 2012 -- EXCUSE ME -- IN
02:43 - 48.785 2002, WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR
02:43 - 50.821 GOVERNOR -- EVERY CAMPAIGN
02:43 - 52.656 PROMISE I MADE, WE MADE
02:43 - 54.825 SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TOWARDS
02:43 - 56.860 FULFILLING THOSE PROMISES.
02:43 - 58.728 AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY
02:43 - 00.597 WORD FOR IT, AS I SHOWED YOU,
02:44 - 02.632 'CAUSE I HAVE THE FRAMED COPY OF
02:44 - 04.668 THE PATR EDITORIAL THREE DAYS
02:44 - 06.703 AFTER I LEFT OFFICE, IN WHICH IT
02:44 - 09.739 SAID THAT I MEANT WHAT I SAID
02:44 - 11.875 AND I DID WHAT I SAID.
02:44 - 15.445 AND AS THE ARTICLE ENDED, IN THE
02:44 - 18.081 END, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD
02:44 - 19.716 EXPECT FROM OUR POLITICIANS.
02:44 - 20.984 I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT.
02:44 - 22.586 AND WE BROUGHT ABOUT CHANGE IN
02:44 - 24.187 THE STATE IN SO MANY DIFFERENT
02:44 - 24.688 AREAS.
02:44 - 26.756 WE WENT FROM A STATE THAT WAS
02:44 - 29.025 TIED TO FOSSIL FUEL TO THE STATE
02:44 - 31.094 THAT WAS NUMBER ONE AMONG ALL
02:44 - 33.296 STATES IN USING GREEN ENERGY, A
02:44 - 35.065 STATE THAT PRODUCED MORE
02:44 - 37.300 GREEN-ENERGY JOBS THAN ANY OTHER
02:44 - 39.269 STATE EXCEPT CALIFORNIA AND
02:44 - 40.003 TEXAS.
02:44 - 41.905 WE TOOK A STATE THAT WAS
02:44 - 43.673 EDUCATIONALLY MIRED IN
02:44 - 46.109 MEDIOCRITY, AND BY DEVOTING MORE
02:44 - 48.345 MONEY TO TARGETED THINGS THAT
02:44 - 50.780 EDUCATIONAL RESEARCH SHOWED MAKE
02:44 - 53.083 A DIFFERENCE, WE HAD OUR KIDS'
02:44 - 55.318 ACHIEVEMENT SCORES GO THROUGH
02:44 - 56.253 THE ROOF.
02:44 - 58.622 AND WE MADE CHANGES IN SO MANY
02:44 - 00.056 DIFFERENT AREAS.
02:45 - 02.125 AND I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE
02:45 - 06.296 DID.
02:45 - 08.365 AND SO I THINK THERE'S VERY
02:45 - 10.433 LITTLE I WOULD CHANGE ABOUT
02:45 - 12.502 PENNSYLVANIA EXCEPT TO KEEP
02:45 - 15.071 IMBUING PEOPLE IN THE STATE WITH
02:45 - 17.674 THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORLD
02:45 - 19.409 IS CHANGING RAPIDLY.
02:45 - 21.811 AND UNLESS WE KEEP PACE WITH IT,
02:45 - 24.247 WE'RE GONNA FALL BEHIND, FURTHER
02:45 - 26.516 AND FURTHER BEHIND EVERY YEAR,
02:45 - 28.018 WHICH IS WHY WE'VE GOT TO
02:45 - 29.686 CONTINUE TO INVEST IN OUR OWN
02:45 - 31.421 GROWTH AND PARTICULARLY INVEST
02:45 - 32.956 IN OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.
02:45 - 34.057 THAT'S THE KEY.
02:45 - 36.026 YOU SHOW ME WHAT INVESTMENTS WE
02:45 - 37.928 MAKE IN OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM
02:45 - 39.963 OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND I'LL
02:45 - 41.998 SHOW YOU WHERE PENNSYLVANIA WILL
02:45 - 43.867 BE, ECONOMICALLY, IN THE YEAR
02:45 - 44.401 2034.
02:45 - 45.969 >> WELL, SURVEYS ALWAYS SHOW
02:45 - 47.737 THAT THE UNITED STATES, COMPARED
02:45 - 49.339 TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, IS
02:45 - 50.774 FALLING BEHIND IN SCIENCE
02:45 - 52.509 EDUCATION AND MATH EDUCATION...
02:45 - 53.610 >> INFRASTRUCTURE.
02:45 - 55.178 >> ...AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND
02:45 - 58.081 INCOME DISTRIBUTION.
02:45 - 59.649 HOW DO YOU SEE THE U.S. RELATING
02:45 - 01.151 TO THE REST OF THE WORLD 20, 30
02:46 - 01.985 YEARS FROM NOW?
02:46 - 03.720 >> WELL, I THINK UNLESS WE
02:46 - 05.689 CONTINUE -- UNLESS WE BREAK OUT
02:46 - 07.590 OF THIS CYCLE THAT GOVERNMENT
02:46 - 09.626 SPENDING IS BAD, UNLESS WE START
02:46 - 11.561 MAKING GOOD, SOUND INVESTMENTS
02:46 - 13.463 IN OUR FUTURE AND OUR GROWTH,
02:46 - 15.465 WE'LL BE A SECOND-RATE ECONOMIC
02:46 - 16.066 POWER.
02:46 - 17.334 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I
02:46 - 18.635 DON'T THINK ANY AMERICAN --
02:46 - 22.138 TEA PARTY, FAR-LEFT LIBERAL,
02:46 - 24.107 ANYBODY IN BETWEEN -- WOULD WANT
02:46 - 25.275 TO TO SEE HAPPEN.
02:46 - 27.510 >> LAST QUESTION -- MANY YEARS
02:46 - 29.813 FROM NOW, AFTER WE ARE ALL LONG
02:46 - 32.182 GONE, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE
02:46 - 34.918 TO SAY ABOUT YOU?
02:46 - 36.987 >> THAT HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID
02:46 - 39.489 AND HE DID WHAT HE SAID.
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