00:16 - >> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING.

00:18 - IN POLITICS, PEOPLE TEND TO,

00:21 - ONCE YOU'VE LOST AN ELECTION,

00:23 - OR TWO IN MY CASE -- TWO BIG

00:25 - ELECTIONS BACK-TO-BACK IN '86

00:28 - AND '87, THE PUNDITS,

00:30 - THE COLUMNISTS, TEND TO WRITE

00:32 - YOU OFF AND SAY, "HE'S A LOSER,"

00:35 - AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TOTALLY

00:37 - UNFAIR.

00:37 - I DID LOSE TWO PRETTY BIG

00:39 - ELECTIONS.

00:40 - I REMEMBER PROBABLY THE LOWEST

00:41 - MOMENT IN MY POLITICAL CAREER

00:43 - WAS AFTER THE 1989 MUNICIPAL

00:46 - ELECTION HERE IN PHILADELPHIA,

00:48 - THE NEXT DAY THE FOCUS IN

00:51 - THE DAILY N TURNED TO

00:53 - THE 1991 RACE FOR MAYOR,

00:54 - WHICH WAS UNDERSTANDABLE.

00:56 - THAT WAS THE NEXT BIG LOCAL

00:58 - ELECTION.

00:58 - AND THEY HAD A BOX IN WHICH

01:01 - THEY HANDICAPPED THE POTENTIAL

01:04 - CANDIDATES, AND I WAS ONE OF

01:06 - ABOUT EIGHT CANDIDATES THAT WAS

01:08 - HANDICAPPED, BUT I WAS --

01:10 - IN THE BOX, I WAS CALLED

01:11 - "PERENNIAL LOSER," YOU KNOW,

01:13 - "RUNS FOR EVERYTHING."

01:15 - WELL, I HAD RUN FOR

01:16 - DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

01:17 - I SERVED TWO TERMS AS

01:18 - DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

01:19 - I DIDN'T LEAVE IN THE MIDDLE

01:20 - OF MY TERM.

01:21 - I HAD MANY OFFERS TO RUN FOR

01:23 - SENATOR OR EVEN GOVERNOR BACK

01:25 - IN 1982.

01:26 - I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT.

01:28 - I FINISHED MY TWO TERMS.

01:29 - I THOUGHT I DID A VERY GOOD JOB,

01:31 - AND THEN I RAN IN TWO TOUGH

01:32 - ELECTIONS -- A PHILADELPHIAN

01:33 - RUNNING AGAINST BOB CASEY, WHO

01:35 - HAD RUN STATEWIDE THREE TIMES,

01:37 - AND THAT WASN'T ANY DISGRACE

01:38 - TO LOSE, BUT, NONETHELESS,

01:40 - THEY CHARACTERIZED ME AS

01:42 - A LOSER, AND THE ODDS --

01:44 - THEY HAD A LITTLE ODDS SHEET.

01:46 - MY ODDS ON BECOMING MAYOR

01:48 - IN 1991 WERE INFINITESIMAL,

01:50 - YOU KNOW -- IT'S LIKE 50 TO 1

01:52 - AGAINST.

01:54 - SO THAT WAS A PRETTY LOW MOMENT,

01:56 - AND I WASN'T SURE THAT I WANTED

01:58 - TO RUN AGAIN, EITHER, 'CAUSE

01:59 - LOSING A BIG ELECTION TAKES

02:02 - A SIGNIFICANT TOLL ON YOUR LIFE,

02:05 - YOUR FAMILY'S LIFE, ET CETERA,

02:07 - AND -- BUT I ALSO BELIEVED THAT

02:09 - I HAD SOMETHING TO GIVE.

02:11 - I KNEW THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT

02:13 - I HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MUNICIPAL

02:15 - ELECTION FOR MAYOR IN 1987 --

02:16 - THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CITY'S

02:18 - FISCAL SITUATION -- WERE JUST

02:20 - GETTING WORSE.

02:21 - THEY WERE SPIRALING DOWN AT

02:23 - AN INCREDIBLY RAPID PACE, AND

02:25 - I THOUGHT THAT I HAD AN IDEA

02:28 - HOW TO TURN THOSE AROUND.

02:30 - WELL, AT A LITTLE RAGTAG GROUP

02:32 - OF TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WHO WERE

02:34 - HELPING ME DO RESEARCH, HELPING

02:36 - ME GET AROUND THE CITY TO

02:38 - COMMUNITY GROUPS AND STILL TALK,

02:40 - HELPING US KEEP RECORDS --

02:42 - ALL THAT STUFF -- AND WE WERE

02:45 - A MOTLEY CREW, AND THEN I

02:47 - DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND CROSS

02:50 - THE RUBICON.

02:51 - I SAID IN MY BOOK, THE DEFINING

02:54 - MOMENT WAS -- IT WAS 1990,

02:57 - ABOUT...

03:02 - I GUESS IT WAS JUNE 1990, AND

03:04 - I KNEW THAT I HAD TO DECIDE

03:05 - PRETTY SOON WHETHER TO RUN

03:07 - FOR MAYOR 'CAUSE I HAD TO

03:08 - START FUNDRAISING AGAIN, BUT

03:10 - I COULDN'T MAKE UP MY MIND,

03:12 - AND I WAS WEIGHING ALL

03:13 - THE POSSIBILITIES, AND ONE NIGHT

03:14 - I STOPPED AT THE BOTTOM OF

03:16 - THE HILL WHERE I LIVED TO GET

03:17 - A CHEESESTEAK, AND AS I WAS

03:19 - WAITING FOR MY ORDER, THIS OLDER

03:22 - WOMAN WAS OFF TO THE RIGHT, AND

03:24 - SHE KEPT LOOKING AT ME, AND

03:26 - FINALLY SHE SAID, "ARE YOU

03:28 - RENDELL?," AND I SAID, "YES,

03:30 - MA'AM," AND SHE SAID, "ARE YOU

03:32 - GONNA RUN FOR MAYOR AGAIN?"

03:34 - AND SHE CAUGHT ME ABACK, AND

03:36 - I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW.

03:37 - WHAT DO YOU THINK?

03:39 - DO YOU THINK I SHOULD?"

03:40 - AND SHE STOPPED FOR A SECOND,

03:42 - AND SHE STROKED HER CHIN, AND

03:44 - SHE WAS AN OLDER WOMAN, VERY FEW

03:46 - TEETH IN HER MOUTH, LOOKED

03:47 - RAGGEDY, AND SHE LOOKED UP

03:50 - AND SHE SAID, "YOU HAVE TO.

03:52 - THIS CITY IS IN SUCH --"

03:55 - AND SHE USED A CURSE WORD --

03:59 - "BAD SHAPE THAT ONLY A SMART

04:01 - JEWISH LAWYER CAN TURN IT

04:03 - AROUND."

04:04 - AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "IF

04:06 - THAT LADY, WHO DIDN'T LOOK LIKE

04:08 - SHE HAD COME FROM AN EDUCATED

04:09 - BACKGROUND OR WHATEVER, IF SHE

04:11 - KNEW THE FINANCIAL STRAITS THAT

04:13 - THE CITY WAS IN, AND SHE KNEW

04:15 - THAT IT WAS TIME FOR SOMEBODY

04:17 - SMART TO TRY TO DEAL WITH

04:18 - THE PROBLEMS, THEN MAYBE I

04:20 - REALLY DID HAVE A CHANCE."

04:21 - SO I CAME HOME AND I TOLD

04:23 - MIDGE -- YOU KNOW, I ASKED HER

04:25 - WHETHER SHE THOUGHT IT WAS

04:27 - A GOOD IDEA TO RUN.

04:29 - SHE DIDN'T REALLY, BUT SHE SAID,

04:31 - "IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, OF COURSE

04:33 - WE'LL BE BEHIND YOU," AND I SET

04:34 - OUT TO RUN, AND, YOU KNOW,

04:37 - THE CAMPAIGN WAS AN INTERESTING

04:40 - CAMPAIGN, AND I WAS DETERMINED

04:43 - THAT I WAS GONNA SAY EXACTLY

04:45 - WHAT I BELIEVED AND LET THE

04:47 - CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

04:49 - I WAS GONNA TELL PEOPLE

04:50 - THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH WAS,

04:51 - WE WERE IN DESPERATE SHAPE, AND

04:53 - WE NEEDED TO DO PAINFUL THINGS

04:55 - IF WE WERE GONNA GET OUT OF

04:56 - THE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WE

04:57 - WERE IN AND RECOVER, BECAUSE

04:59 - THE CITY WAS IN SUCH BAD SHAPE

05:01 - FINANCIALLY.

05:02 - EVERYONE HAD LOST HOPE.

05:04 - PEOPLE WERE LOOKING TO MOVE OUT.

05:05 - BUSINESSES, THE FIRST

05:06 - OPPORTUNITY THEY HAD, WERE

05:08 - LOOKING TO MOVE OUT.

05:09 - THE CITY WAS -- AGAIN, IT WAS

05:11 - SPIRALING DOWNHILL, AND,

05:13 - INTERESTINGLY, THERE WAS AN

05:15 - ARTICLE WRITTEN JUST RECENTLY

05:18 - WITH THE PROBLEMS DETROIT'S

05:19 - HAVING THAT PHILADELPHIA,

05:21 - IN 1991, HAD ACTUALLY WORSE

05:23 - FISCAL PROBLEMS THAN DETROIT.

05:25 - SO I WAS DEDICATED TO TELLING

05:28 - PEOPLE THE TRUTH.

05:30 - I WAS GONNA GO DOWN SWINGING

05:32 - IF I WAS GOING DOWN FOR THE LAST

05:34 - TIME, AND, CLEARLY, IF I HAD

05:36 - LOST THIS TIME, IT WOULD HAVE

05:37 - BEEN ALL OVER, AND I DID THAT,

05:40 - AND I REMEMBER THE SEMINAL

05:42 - MOMENT IN THE CAMPAIGN WAS WHEN

05:45 - ALL FIVE DEMOCRATS WERE AT

05:50 - A DEBATE.

05:52 - IT WAS A DEBATE THAT WAS COVERED

05:55 - ON TV AND HAD A LIVE AUDIENCE,

05:57 - AND THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED,

05:59 - "WOULD YOU TAKE A STRIKE IF IT

06:01 - WAS NECESSARY TO TURN THIS

06:03 - CITY'S FINANCIAL SITUATION

06:05 - AROUND?"

06:07 - LUCK HAD IT THAT I SPOKE FIFTH.

06:10 - MY FOUR OPPONENTS SPOKE BEFORE

06:12 - I DID, AND EACH ONE OF THEM

06:13 - HEDGED.

06:14 - THEY DIDN'T SAY THEY WOULD TAKE

06:16 - A STRIKE.

06:16 - THEY SAID, "WELL, IT WON'T BE

06:17 - NECESSARY BECAUSE I HAVE GOOD

06:19 - RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE UNIONS,"

06:20 - ET CETERA.

06:21 - THEN IT CAME MY TIME, AND I

06:23 - SAID, "LOOK.

06:24 - I WOULD TRY TO SIT DOWN AND

06:25 - NEGOTIATE WITH THE UNIONS,

06:27 - BUT WE NEED SIGNIFICANT

06:28 - GIVEBACKS ON BENEFITS, ON WORK

06:30 - RULES.

06:30 - WE'VE GOT TO GET THE CITY'S

06:32 - FINANCIAL SITUATION UNDER

06:34 - CONTROL, AND IF THAT MEANS

06:35 - TAKING A STRIKE TO TURN THIS

06:37 - CITY AROUND FINANCIALLY AND GET

06:39 - IT BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK, I'LL

06:41 - DO IT," AND I THINK THAT WAS

06:43 - THE MOMENT THAT I WON

06:44 - THE ELECTION.

06:45 - I WENT ON TO GET 51% OF THE VOTE

06:47 - IN A FIVE-CANDIDATE FIELD.

06:49 - MY NEAREST COMPETITOR WAS

06:51 - LUCIEN BLACKWELL, THE GREAT

06:52 - COUNCILMAN, WHO GOT 28% OF

06:54 - THE VOTE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE

06:56 - SCORED A DRAMATIC VICTORY.

06:58 - I WENT ON TO WINNING THE FALL

07:00 - ELECTION.

07:00 - ACTUALLY, FRANK RIZZO HAD WON

07:02 - THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, BUT

07:04 - AS YOU RECALL, HE PASSED AWAY

07:06 - IN JULY OF THAT YEAR, AND

07:08 - THE REPUBLICANS REALLY DIDN'T

07:10 - PUT UP AN OPPONENT WHO DIDN'T

07:12 - HAVE TIME TO RAISE MONEY, NOT

07:14 - A REAL CHALLENGE.

07:15 - SO I WOKE UP THE DAY AFTER

07:17 - THE ELECTION, AND I WAS MAYOR

07:20 - OF PHILADELPHIA, AND THE MOST

07:22 - CURRENT AND OFTEN-ASKED QUESTION

07:24 - TO ME WAS, "WHY WOULD ANYBODY

07:27 - WANT TO BE MAYOR OF PHILADELPHIA

07:29 - RIGHT NOW?," YOU KNOW, AND THAT

07:33 - SPOOKED ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT

07:35 - I HAD THE ANSWER.

07:36 - I SAID, "BECAUSE IT'S

07:37 - A CHALLENGE, AND I THINK I'VE

07:38 - GOT THE RIGHT ANSWERS."

07:40 - >> IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY,

07:42 - WHO DID THE UNIONS BACK?

07:44 - >> THE UNIONS BACKED MOSTLY

07:46 - LU BLACKWELL.

07:47 - SOME BACKED GEORGE BURRELL,

07:49 - BUT MOSTLY LU BLACKWELL.

07:51 - LU BLACKWELL WAS A GOOD

07:52 - UNION MAN, CAME OUT OF THE

07:54 - LONGSHOREMEN'S UNION AND WAS

07:55 - A GOOD MAN, AND LU WENT ON TO

07:57 - BECOME A CONGRESSMAN AND SERVE

07:59 - VERY, VERY WELL IN THAT

08:00 - CAPACITY, BUT, NO, THEY BACKED

08:02 - HIM, AND THEN WHEN I RAN FOR

08:04 - RE-ELECTION AS MAYOR, BECAUSE

08:05 - OF THE TOUGH THINGS WE HAD TO DO

08:07 - IN THE BARGAINING, ALL FOUR

08:09 - MUNICIPAL UNIONS SUPPORTED MY

08:10 - REPUBLICAN OPPONENT, JOE ROCKS,

08:12 - EVEN THOUGH WE HAD GOTTEN

08:14 - THROUGH THE FINANCIAL SITUATION

08:16 - WITHOUT LAYING OFF ONE CITY

08:18 - WORKER -- SOMETHING I WAS

08:20 - TREMENDOUSLY PROUD OF.

08:21 - NOT ONE CITY WORKER LOST THEIR

08:23 - JOB, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF

08:25 - BENEFIT CONCESSIONS AND

08:26 - GIVEBACKS AND WORK-RULE CHANGES,

08:28 - ALL OF WHICH ENABLED US TO GET

08:30 - THE CITY UNDER FINANCIAL

08:31 - CONTROL, BUT THAT LEFT SCARS.

08:35 - EVEN WHEN I RAN FOR RE-ELECTION

08:37 - AS GOVERNOR, THE POLICE AND

08:39 - FIREMEN'S UNIONS FROM

08:41 - PHILADELPHIA WERE AGAINST ME,

08:43 - BUT WHEN I RAN FOR RE-ELECTION,

08:45 - FIRST DEMOCRAT EVER TO LOSE

08:47 - THE ENDORSEMENT OF ALL FOUR

08:49 - MUNICIPAL UNIONS, I GOT 81%

08:51 - OF THE VOTE, SO APPARENTLY THOSE

08:53 - UNION MEMBERS, THEY WERE

08:55 - APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT I DID

08:57 - IN SAVING EVERYBODY'S JOB.

08:58 - >> COULD YOU HAVE BEATEN

08:59 - FRANK RIZZO IN THE GENERAL

09:00 - ELECTION?

09:01 - >> I THINK SO.

09:02 - YOU KNOW, SAL PAOLANTONIO IN HIS

09:04 - BOOK ABOUT RIZZO SAID RIZZO

09:05 - WOULD HAVE WON -- I DON'T THINK

09:06 - SO.

09:07 - I THINK JUST AS THAT WOMAN KNEW

09:09 - THAT IT WAS TIME FOR A SMART

09:11 - "JEWISH" LAWYER, I THINK THE

09:13 - CITIZENS OF THE CITY KNEW.

09:14 - THEY DIDN'T GRASP IN '87

09:16 - WHEN I LOST THE DEPTH OF OUR

09:18 - FINANCIAL SITUATION, BUT

09:20 - EVERYBODY KNEW WE WERE ON

09:22 - THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY,

09:23 - WE HAD BEEN TAKEN OVER BY

09:25 - A CONTROL BOARD.

09:26 - EVERYBODY KNEW THAT WE NEEDED

09:29 - SOMEONE REALLY WITH SERIOUS

09:31 - IDEAS AND SERIOUS PROPOSALS

09:33 - TO TURN THE CITY AROUND.

09:36 - FRANK RIZZO WAS RUNNING AS HE

09:38 - ALWAYS RAN ABOUT CRIME AND THIS

09:40 - AND THAT.

09:41 - I THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE WON

09:43 - PRETTY COMFORTABLY -- YOU KNOW,

09:45 - NOT BY THE MARGIN THAT I WON

09:47 - OVER THE SUBSTITUTE CANDIDATE.

09:49 - HE WAS A GOOD MAN -- JOE EGAN --

09:51 - BUT I WOULD HAVE WON.

09:53 - >> HOW DID THE CITY GET IN THAT

09:55 - SHAPE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

09:57 - >> WELL, BECAUSE THEY MADE

09:59 - TWO MISTAKES.

10:01 - THEY OVERTAXED.

10:02 - NOW, YOU KNOW FROM MY TIME AS

10:04 - GOVERNOR, I'M NOT AFRAID OF

10:05 - RAISING TAXES WHEN IT'S

10:06 - NECESSARY, BUT YOU CAN RAISE

10:09 - TAX RATES SO HIGH THAT IT

10:11 - BECOMES A NEGATIVE EFFECT.

10:14 - REMEMBER, YOUR TAX REVENUE IS

10:16 - A RESULT OF HOW HIGH YOUR RATE

10:18 - IS TIMES THE BASE.

10:20 - IF YOUR RATE GETS SO HIGH THAT

10:22 - THE BASE SHRINKS, YOU MAY

10:24 - ACTUALLY PRODUCE LESS MONEY

10:26 - BY RAISING RATES, AND IN

10:28 - THE 11 YEARS BEFORE I BECAME

10:30 - MAYOR, PHILADELPHIA HAD RAISED

10:32 - TAXES 18 TIMES, AND ALL THAT HAD

10:35 - DONE WAS DRIVEN BUSINESSES AND

10:37 - PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY.

10:39 - THERE WAS DISINCENTIVE TO STAY

10:40 - IN THE CITY AND WORK IN THE CITY

10:42 - AND LIVE IN THE CITY.

10:43 - SO I WAS DETERMINED THAT I HAD

10:45 - TO TURN THIS AROUND WITHOUT

10:47 - RAISING TAXES.

10:48 - I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WOULDN'T

10:49 - WORK.

10:49 - IT JUST WOULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL.

10:52 - SO THAT WAS THE FIRST WAY

10:57 - THE CITY GOT INTO -- SECOND WAY

10:59 - IS THAT MAYORS GAVE AWAY

11:02 - CONTRACTS TO UNIONS,

11:03 - THE MUNICIPAL UNIONS.

11:05 - THE MAYORS WERE SO INTERESTED

11:07 - IN WHAT THE SALARY INCREASES

11:09 - WERE, THAT IF THEY GOT THE

11:11 - SALARY INCREASE THAT THEY WANTED

11:12 - THROUGH BARGAINING, THEY LET

11:14 - THE UNIONS LOAD UP ON BENEFITS,

11:16 - AND, EVEN WORSE, LOAD UP ON

11:18 - WORK RULES -- WORK RULES THAT

11:20 - LED TO INCREDIBLE LACK OF

11:22 - PRODUCTIVITY, THAT RAISED COSTS

11:25 - DRAMATICALLY.

11:26 - NO ONE PAID ANY ATTENTION TO

11:28 - THAT.

11:29 - I WAS BOUND AND DETERMINED,

11:31 - AND MY FIRST UNION CONTRACT WAS

11:33 - MY FIRST YEAR AS MAYOR, AND I

11:35 - PREPARED THE CITIZENS ALL DURING

11:37 - THE CAMPAIGN AND DURING MY FIRST

11:39 - SIX MONTHS AS MAYOR, I JUST --

11:41 - I HAD THE CONSTANT REFRAIN WHEN

11:43 - I WENT AROUND THE CITY TALKING

11:44 - TO CITIZEN'S GROUPS --

11:46 - "THERE JUST ISN'T ANY MONEY.

11:48 - YOU WANT MORE REC CENTERS?

11:49 - I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE CAN'T

11:52 - DO IT NOW.

11:52 - THERE JUST ISN'T ANY MONEY.

11:54 - YOU WANT FAIRMOUNT PARK,

11:56 - THE GRASS CUT MORE OFTEN?

11:57 - IT SHOULD BE CUT MORE OFTEN,

11:59 - BUT THERE JUST ISN'T ANY MONEY.

12:01 - DO WE NEED MORE POLICE ON OUR

12:02 - STREETS?

12:03 - OF COURSE WE DO, BUT THERE JUST

12:04 - ISN'T ANY MONEY."

12:05 - IN FACT, I SAID THAT THAT WAS

12:08 - MY MANTRA SO MUCH THAT ONE DAY

12:10 - THE PRESS GOT ONE OF THESE

12:14 - LITTLE TALKING ROBOTS, SENT IT

12:16 - INTO MY ROOM -- MY OFFICE, AND

12:18 - NO MATTER WHAT QUESTION YOU

12:19 - ASKED THE ROBOT, THE ANSWER WAS,

12:21 - "THERE JUST ISN'T ANY MONEY.

12:23 - THERE'S NO MONEY.

12:24 - THERE JUST ISN'T ANY MONEY."

12:26 - BUT I GOT THE CITIZENS ATTUNED

12:27 - TO THAT, AND I ALSO TOLD THE

12:29 - CITIZENS ABOUT THE BENEFIT

12:31 - STRUCTURE.

12:31 - I WOULD TALK TO A GROUP OF

12:33 - WORKING PEOPLE, AND I'D SAY,

12:34 - "FOLKS, I WANT TO ASK YOU

12:35 - A QUESTION.

12:36 - HOW MANY PAID HOLIDAYS DO YOU

12:38 - GET OFF -- NOT VACATION DAYS,

12:39 - HOW MANY PAID HOLIDAYS?

12:41 - ANYBODY HERE GET FIVE PAID

12:42 - HOLIDAYS?"

12:43 - AND ALMOST EVERYBODY WOULD RAISE

12:44 - THEIR HAND.

12:45 - "SEVEN PAID HOLIDAYS?"

12:46 - MOST PEOPLE WOULD RAISE THEIR

12:47 - HAND.

12:48 - "EIGHT PAID HOLIDAYS?"

12:49 - MUCH LESS.

12:50 - "NINE PAID HOLIDAYS?"

12:51 - ALMOST NO ONE.

12:52 - "10 PAID HOLIDAYS?

12:54 - WELL, CITY WORKERS GET

12:55 - 14 PAID HOLIDAYS.

12:58 - EACH ONE OF THOSE PAID HOLIDAYS

13:00 - COSTS US $7 MILLION BECAUSE

13:01 - POLICE HAVE TO WORK, FIRE HAS

13:03 - TO WORK, PRISON GUARDS HAVE

13:04 - TO WORK, AND BECAUSE IT'S

13:05 - A HOLIDAY, THEY GET DOUBLE TIME.

13:07 - IT COSTS US $7 MILLION.

13:10 - I WANT TO TAKE FOUR OF THOSE

13:12 - HOLIDAYS BACK.

13:13 - THAT'S AN ANNUAL SAVING

13:14 - OF $28 MILLION, AND IT HASN'T

13:16 - HURT PRODUCTIVITY OR DELIVERY

13:18 - OF SERVICES ONE IOTA."

13:20 - I WOULD SAY TO THEM, "DO YOU

13:21 - KNOW THAT FOR THE EMOTIONAL

13:23 - TRAUMA OF BEING AWAY FROM THEIR

13:25 - FAMILIES ON FLAG DAY, OUR

13:27 - POLICE, FIREMEN, AND PRISON

13:29 - WORKERS GET DOUBLE TIME?"

13:33 - AND PEOPLE WOULD SEE HOW ABSURD

13:34 - IT WAS, AND I WOULD GO THROUGH

13:36 - THAT.

13:36 - I'D LIST ALL THE BENEFITS THAT

13:38 - OUR CITY WORKERS HAD COMPARED

13:39 - TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND I

13:41 - KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA BE

13:42 - SUCCESSFUL, THAT EVEN IF THERE

13:43 - WAS A STRIKE, THAT WE WOULD WIN

13:45 - THE STRIKE.

13:46 - I KNEW WE WERE GONNA BE

13:47 - SUCCESSFUL.

13:47 - ONE DAY MY SON JESSE WAS PLAYING

13:49 - LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL, AND IT

13:51 - WAS LATE IN JUNE, AND THE

13:53 - CONTRACT WAS TO RUN OUT

13:55 - JULY 1st, AND WE WERE IN

13:56 - THE PLAYOFFS, AND I WAS STANDING

14:00 - WITH A GROUP OF THE FATHERS

14:01 - AND MOTHERS, AND MOST OF

14:03 - THE FATHERS OF OUR TEAM IN

14:04 - EAST FALLS WERE BUILDING TRADES

14:06 - GUYS, AND THE OPPOSITION --

14:08 - A FATHER CAME OVER FROM

14:09 - THE OPPOSITION, AND HE HAPPENED

14:11 - TO WORK FOR THE WATER

14:13 - DEPARTMENT.

14:14 - SO HE SAW ME, AND HE STARTED

14:15 - GIVING ME GRIEF ABOUT BEING

14:17 - TOUGH ON THE UNIONS, AND I

14:18 - DIDN'T SAY A WORD.

14:19 - THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO

14:21 - WAS GET INTO AN ARGUMENT AT

14:22 - MY SON'S LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL

14:23 - GAME, BUT THE BUILDING TRADES

14:25 - GUYS STOOD UP AND SAID, "ARE YOU

14:26 - KIDDING?

14:27 - YOU GUYS DON'T PAY ANYTHING FOR

14:29 - YOUR HEALTHCARE.

14:30 - WE PAY 10%.

14:31 - YOU GUYS GET 14 PAID HOLIDAYS.

14:33 - WE GET SIX," AND THEY WERE ALL

14:35 - OVER HIM, AND I KNEW THAT I HAD

14:37 - GOTTEN THROUGH.

14:38 - I HADN'T TALKED TO THESE GUYS

14:40 - BECAUSE THEY WERE FATHERS OF

14:41 - PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE.

14:42 - I HADN'T SPOKEN OUT ABOUT ANY OF

14:44 - THE ISSUES, BUT THEY HAD READ IT

14:46 - IN THE PAPERS OR SAW IT ON TV,

14:47 - AND I KNEW THAT WE HAD BROKEN

14:49 - THROUGH, THAT THE CITIZENS WERE

14:51 - READY TO HANG IN THERE WITH US,

14:53 - AND AS YOU RECALL, WE DID HAVE

14:54 - A STRIKE, BUT IT LASTED FOR

14:56 - ABOUT 18 HOURS, AND IT WAS

14:58 - SETTLED LATE THAT AFTERNOON

14:59 - THE FIRST DAY, AND WE GOT THE

15:02 - MOST CONCESSIONARY CONTRACT

15:04 - IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY.

15:06 - ALAN DAVIS, THE LAWYER WHO WAS

15:08 - OUR LABOR NEGOTIATOR -- A GREAT

15:10 - LAWYER -- HE HAD ALWAYS SAID

15:11 - THAT WE WOULD FALL LIKE EVERY

15:13 - OTHER ADMINISTRATION IF WE GOT

15:15 - WAGE FREEZES FOR THE FIRST

15:16 - TWO YEARS AND MODEST INCREASES

15:18 - FOR YEAR THREE AND FOUR.

15:19 - WE'D GIVE AWAY ALL THE BENEFIT

15:21 - CHANGES AND THE WORK-RULE

15:22 - CHANGES, AND WHEN HE HEARD WE

15:24 - DIDN'T, HE WAS ELATED BECAUSE

15:25 - HE KNEW THAT THE CITY WOULD TURN

15:27 - THE CORNER, AND WE DID IT, AND

15:30 - WE TURNED THE FISCAL -- WE

15:32 - REDUCED A $250-MILLION DEFICIT

15:35 - ON WHAT WAS A $2.4-BILLION

15:37 - OPERATING BUDGET IN 18 MONTHS,

15:40 - AND WE DID IT.

15:41 - 60% OF THE SAVINGS, OR 55% CAME

15:44 - FROM THE CONTRACT, BUT THE OTHER

15:46 - 45% CAME FROM JUST ORDINARY

15:49 - COMMON-SENSE THINGS -- LIKE WE

15:51 - COLLECTED TAXES BETTER.

15:53 - YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG ISSUE

15:54 - TODAY IN PHILADELPHIA.

15:55 - WELL, I SAW THAT A LOT OF OUR

15:58 - BACK TAXES HADN'T BEEN PAID,

16:00 - AND THEY WERE LITERALLY FILES

16:02 - JUST SITTING DEAD IN THE CITY

16:04 - SOLICITOR'S COMPLAINT OFFICE

16:06 - BECAUSE THEY WERE CONSIDERED

16:08 - UNCOLLECTIBLE.

16:10 - SO I SAID, "WE'RE GONNA TRY

16:11 - SOMETHING NEW.

16:12 - WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THOSE

16:14 - UNCOLLECTIBLE FILES" -- AND

16:15 - THOSE WERE FILES THAT WERE

16:17 - OLDER THAN A YEAR AND A HALF,

16:18 - "AND WE'RE GONNA LET PRIVATE

16:20 - ATTORNEYS COME IN, AND WE'RE

16:21 - GONNA LET THEM COLLECT -- GO TO

16:23 - COURT AND COLLECT THOSE TAXES

16:25 - FOR US, AND WE'RE GONNA PAY THEM

16:26 - A CONTINGENCY.

16:28 - THEY'LL GET 18% OF ANY OF

16:30 - THE MONEY THEY GET US."

16:32 - IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE HOW MUCH

16:34 - MONEY WE GOT.

16:35 - ONE LAWYER, WITH HIS LAW FIRM,

16:37 - EARNED -- ONE LAWYER EARNED

16:40 - 40 -- NO, I'M SORRY.

16:42 - HE EARNED $12 MILLION IN FEES,

16:45 - AND HE BROUGHT US $44 MILLION

16:48 - IN BACK TAXES, WHICH THE

16:50 - SOLICITOR'S OFFICE SAID WAS

16:52 - UNCOLLECTIBLE.

16:54 - I REMEMBER IN THE CAMPAIGN, I

16:56 - WATCHED THE FINANCE DIRECTOR

16:57 - FOR MAYOR GOODE, SHE TESTIFIED

16:59 - BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY

17:01 - HAD ELIMINATED EVERY DOLLAR

17:03 - OF WASTE IN THE CITY BUDGET.

17:04 - WELL, WE PROCEEDED TO TAKE ABOUT

17:06 - $110 MILLION OF ANNUAL WASTE OUT

17:08 - OF THE BUDGET.

17:09 - I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

17:11 - THIS IS A GREAT STORY.

17:14 - THE CITY HAD OFFICERS IN

17:16 - CITY HALL AND OFFICERS IN

17:18 - THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES BUILDING,

17:20 - BUT WE HAD SO MANY CITY WORKERS

17:22 - THAT WE HAD OFFICES IN PRIVATE

17:25 - OFFICE BUILDINGS OWNED BY

17:27 - PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, AND WE PAID

17:29 - RENT.

17:30 - WELL, NOBODY EVER PAID ATTENTION

17:32 - TO THE RENT.

17:33 - NOBODY TRIED TO NEGOTIATE.

17:35 - WELL, WHEN I TOOK OFFICE,

17:37 - THE CITY REAL-ESTATE MARKET WAS

17:40 - AT A LOW EBB.

17:41 - PEOPLE WERE MOVING OUT, SO

17:43 - LANDLORDS HAD EMPTY SPACES.

17:46 - SO I ORDERED EVERY LEASE THAT WE

17:48 - HAD, EVEN IF IT WAS A FIVE-YEAR

17:50 - LEASE, AND WE WERE ONLY IN

17:51 - YEAR TWO OR YEAR THREE, WE WOULD

17:53 - GO TO THE LANDLORD AND SAID,

17:55 - "WE'VE GOT GOOD NEWS AND BAD

17:57 - NEWS FOR YOU.

17:58 - GOOD NEWS IS, WE WANT TO EXTEND

18:00 - YOUR LEASE FOR ANOTHER FIVE

18:03 - YEARS."

18:03 - THE LANDLORD WAS OVERJOYED

18:05 - 'CAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE THEM

18:06 - CERTAINTY.

18:07 - "BUT WE WANT YOU TO CUT OUR RATE

18:10 - PER SQUARE FOOT NOW.

18:12 - THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA SIGN

18:14 - AN EXTENSION IS IF YOU CUT THIS

18:16 - RATE OF THE SQUARE FOOT NOW."

18:17 - SO WE SAVED MONEY IMMEDIATELY.

18:19 - HAD WE JUST LET THE LEASE RUN

18:20 - OUT, WE WOULD HAVE PAID AT

18:22 - THE HIGHER RATE.

18:23 - WE SAVED MONEY IMMEDIATELY.

18:25 - ONE GREAT EXAMPLE.

18:27 - PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF

18:29 - WELFARE WAS IN AN OFFICE

18:32 - BUILDING ON NORTH BROAD, WHICH

18:35 - CATEGORIZED AS A CLASS "C"

18:36 - OFFICE BUILDING.

18:37 - "A" IS THE BEST, "B" IS MEDIUM,

18:39 - "C" IS THE WORST.

18:41 - AND WE HAD A YEAR LEASE WITH

18:43 - THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING THAT

18:45 - ROLLED OVER EVERY YEAR UNLESS

18:47 - EITHER SIDE GAVE NOTICE 30 DAYS

18:49 - BEFORE THE LEASE WAS TO RUN

18:51 - OUT, AND IT ROLLED OVER AT AN

18:53 - INCREASE BY 11%.

18:56 - SO I WAS TOLD BY TOM KNOX, WHO

18:58 - WAS THE HEAD OF THE OFFICE OF

18:59 - MANAGEMENT AND PRODUCTIVITY,

19:01 - HE SAID, "OUR LEASE IS UP.

19:05 - WE'VE GOT TO GIVE NOTICE

19:07 - TOMORROW OR ELSE IT KICKS

19:09 - IN 11% MORE."

19:10 - I SAID, "WHAT ARE WE PAYING?"

19:12 - HE SAID, "$33 A SQUARE FOOT."

19:15 - AT THAT TIME, IN ONE LIBERTY

19:17 - PLACE, THE SHINING BEST BUILDING

19:19 - IN PHILADELPHIA, THEY WERE

19:21 - PAYING $21 A SQUARE FOOT FOR

19:23 - CLASS "A" SPACE.

19:25 - SO I SAID, "TELL HIM WE'RE

19:27 - MOVING OUT."

19:28 - HE SAID, "WHERE WILL WE GO?"

19:30 - I SAID, "I DON'T CARE IF YOU GO

19:32 - IN THE CITY HALL COURTYARD

19:33 - AND WE PUT TARPAULIN UP OVER

19:34 - THE DESKS.

19:35 - YOU'RE MOVING OUT."

19:37 - CALLED ME THE NEXT DAY.

19:38 - HE SAYS, "GOOD NEWS."

19:39 - HE SAID, "WE'RE NOT MOVING OUT."

19:41 - HE SAID, "I RENEGOTIATED THE

19:43 - LEASE FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS."

19:45 - I SAID, "WELL, WHAT ARE WE

19:45 - PAYING FOR SQUARE FEET?"

19:46 - REMEMBER, WE WERE PAYING $33 --

19:48 - $7 A SQUARE FOOT.

19:51 - SO JUST BY RENEGOTIATING OUR

19:53 - LEASES, WE SAVED $11 MILLION

19:55 - A YEAR.

19:56 - $11 MILLION HERE, YOU KNOW,

19:58 - $25 MILLION BY BETTER TAX

20:00 - COLLECTION -- YOU KNOW, ALL

20:02 - THESE SAVINGS STARTED TO KICK

20:04 - IN.

20:05 - IT WAS REMARKABLE, AND WE TURNED

20:07 - IT AROUND, AND

20:08 - THE NEW YORK TIMES SAID THAT

20:09 - IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST STUNNING

20:11 - MUNICIPAL TURNAROUNDS IN RECENT

20:13 - URBAN HISTORY IN AMERICA, AND

20:15 - WE DID IT BEYOND MY WILDEST

20:18 - DREAMS.

20:19 - WE DID IT IN 18 MONTHS, AND,

20:21 - ACTUALLY, THE GOOD NEWS WAS,

20:23 - IN MY FOURTH YEAR AS MAYOR,

20:25 - WE WERE ABLE TO BEGIN CUTTING

20:27 - THE WAGE TAX, AND WE CUT

20:29 - THE WAGE TAX FOR THE NEXT

20:30 - FIVE YEARS THAT I WAS MAYOR,

20:32 - WHICH WAS REMARKABLE WHEN YOU

20:33 - CONSIDER WHERE WE WERE.

20:35 - >> WERE YOU IN ON ANY OF

20:36 - THE NEGOTIATION SESSIONS WITH

20:38 - THE UNIONS?

20:39 - >> I WAS NOT IN THE FACE-TO-FACE

20:41 - NEGOTIATION SESSION, ALTHOUGH

20:43 - I WOULD MEET ON OCCASION WITH

20:45 - TOM CRONIN, WHO WAS HEAD

20:47 - OF THE WHITE COLLAR WORKERS,

20:49 - AND WITH JIM SUTTON, WHO WAS

20:51 - HEAD OF THE BLUE COLLAR WORKERS.

20:53 - I WOULD MEET WITH THEM ON

20:54 - OCCASION, BUT ON THE REGULAR

20:56 - NEGOTIATIONS, I WASN'T.

20:57 - I WAS ALWAYS HELD AS THE CLOSER.

21:00 - YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE THE ONE

21:02 - TO CLOSE, AND I REMEMBER

21:04 - JIM SUTTON CAME TO SEE ME.

21:06 - THE STRIKE TOOK PLACE AT

21:07 - MIDNIGHT.

21:08 - JIM SUTTON CAME TO SEE ME ABOUT

21:10 - 3:00 A.M., AND I TOLD HIM WHAT

21:12 - WE COULD DO AND WHAT WE COULDN'T

21:14 - DO, AND I TOLD HIM WE WEREN'T

21:16 - CHANGING ON WORK RULES, WE

21:17 - WEREN'T CHANGING ON BENEFITS,

21:20 - AND I WAS PREPARED.

21:21 - I HAD A PLAN, A BATTLE PLAN

21:23 - FOR THE STRIKE.

21:24 - I WAS GONNA TAKE MYSELF AND

21:26 - THE CABINET, AND I WAS GONNA PUT

21:28 - UP TEMPORARY TABLES AND CHAIRS,

21:31 - TEMPORARY PHONES, PHONE LINES.

21:33 - WE WERE GONNA BE AT A CITY DUMP,

21:35 - BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE GONNA ASK

21:36 - PEOPLE TO DO WAS TO DRIVE --

21:38 - TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY COULD --

21:40 - TO DRIVE THEIR GARBAGE, RATHER

21:42 - THAN LETTING IT PILE UP, TO

21:43 - DRIVE IT TO THE CITY DUMP,

21:45 - AND I WAS GONNA BE IN KHAKIS AND

21:47 - A WORK SHIRT, AND MYSELF AND

21:49 - THE CABINET, WE WERE GONNA HELP

21:51 - UNLOAD THE GARBAGE FROM PEOPLE'S

21:53 - CARS AND VANS AND TAKE IT TO

21:56 - THE DUMP AND DUMP IT INTO

21:58 - THE LANDFILL, AND I THOUGHT,

21:59 - "WHAT A GREAT VISUAL THAT WOULD

22:01 - BE," AND IT WOULD BE MORE THAN

22:02 - A GREAT VISUAL.

22:03 - WE PUT IN 12 HOURS THERE, AND IF

22:04 - A PHONE CALL CAME IN ABOUT

22:06 - SOMETHING ELSE, I'D TAKE

22:07 - THE PHONE CALL THERE.

22:08 - AND I KNEW IF WE WENT INTO THAT

22:13 - MODE, THAT WE'D HAVE THE PUBLIC

22:17 - ON OUR SIDE IN AN INSTANT, BUT

22:19 - THE STRIKE ONLY LASTED TILL

22:21 - ABOUT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

22:23 - >> WERE THERE A LOT OF

22:25 - ANTI-ED RENDELL RALLIES BY

22:26 - THE UNIONS?

22:27 - >> ALL THE TIME.

22:28 - MY FIRST SIX MONTHS, WHEN IT

22:29 - BECAME CLEAR THAT WE WERE

22:31 - DEMANDING BENEFIT CONCESSIONS

22:33 - AND WORKFUL CHANGES,

22:34 - EVERYWHERE I WENT -- WE TRIED

22:36 - TO OPEN THE SIDEWALK CAFE

22:38 - AT CITY HALL THAT I PUT IN,

22:41 - AND THE UNION SHOUTED US DOWN.

22:42 - THE PRESS COULDN'T HEAR US.

22:43 - ONCE MY CAR WAS PULLING OUT OFF

22:45 - THE PAVEMENT AT CITY HALL, AND

22:47 - THE UNION MEMBERS ROCKED THE CAR

22:49 - BACK AND FORTH, SO THERE WAS

22:51 - A LOT OF THAT, AND I WOULD GO

22:52 - TO NEIGHBORHOODS, AND PEOPLE

22:54 - WOULD SAY, "WELL, THIS GYM NEEDS

22:56 - REPAIRED."

22:56 - I SAID, "THERE JUST ISN'T MONEY.

22:58 - WE CAN'T REPAIR IT."

22:59 - I'D GET HOOTED DOWN.

23:00 - IN FACT, BUZZ BISSINGER, WHO

23:02 - WENT AROUND WITH ME 'CAUSE HE

23:03 - WROTE THE BOOK "PRAYER FOR

23:05 - THE CITY," SAID IF YOU WENT

23:06 - AROUND WITH ME MY FIRST SIX

23:08 - MONTHS AS MAYOR, YOU'D SAY,

23:09 - "WELL, THIS YOUNG MAN'S TRYING

23:11 - TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT HE

23:12 - HAS NO CHANCE OF BEING

23:14 - RE-ELECTED," AND PEOPLE HATED

23:17 - IT.

23:18 - THEY HATED IT.

23:19 - BUT IN THE END, THEY UNDERSTOOD

23:21 - IT, AND IN THE END, IT WORKED,

23:23 - AND BY THE TIME I LEFT OFFICE

23:25 - EIGHT YEARS LATER, EVERYTHING

23:27 - THAT WE CUT -- THE REC

23:29 - DEPARTMENT, FAIRMOUNT PARK,

23:30 - LIBRARIES -- ALL OF IT NOT ONLY

23:33 - HAD BEEN REPLENISHED, BUT THE

23:34 - FUNDING WAS FAR GREATER BECAUSE

23:37 - WE RECOVERED ECONOMICALLY.

23:38 - BUSINESSES STARTED TO COME BACK.

23:40 - WE CREATED 20,000 JOBS IN THE

23:42 - LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS OF

23:43 - MY TIME AS MAYOR.

23:44 - WE TURNED A CORNER, AND SO MUCH

23:47 - OF A GOVERNMENT'S BALANCE SHEET

23:49 - COMES FROM THE REVENUE THAT IT

23:51 - PRODUCES, AND WE TURNED THE

23:54 - REVENUE AROUND, BUT WE TURNED

23:56 - THE REVENUE AROUND BY GETTING

23:58 - OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER, AND

24:02 - WE GOT COMMUNITY GROUPS ON

24:03 - OUR SIDE, WE GOT THE BUSINESS

24:04 - COMMUNITY.

24:05 - WE HAD THE MAYOR'S BUSINESS

24:07 - TASK FORCE ON MANAGEMENT

24:09 - AND PRODUCTIVITY.

24:11 - WE BORROWED 110 EXECUTIVES,

24:13 - OR MID-LEVEL EXECUTIVES FROM

24:15 - BUSINESSES AROUND PHILADELPHIA,

24:17 - WHO CAME INTO THE VARIOUS

24:19 - DEPARTMENTS AND MADE SUGGESTIONS

24:21 - FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND

24:22 - PRODUCTIVITY AND CHANGES.

24:24 - WE CREATED SOMETHING CALLED

24:26 - THE PRODUCTIVITY BANK WHERE --

24:27 - 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO ENLIST OUR

24:29 - WORKERS INTO BEING CHANGE

24:31 - AGENTS.

24:32 - SO WE TOLD THE WORKERS IF THEY

24:34 - CAME UP WITH A SUGGESTION TO

24:37 - SAVE US MONEY, THAT WE'D

24:39 - IMPLEMENT THE SUGGESTION.

24:42 - IF THEY NEEDED CAPITAL TO DO IT

24:44 - OR THEY NEEDED MONEY TO DO IT,

24:45 - THEY COULD -- WE PUT $25 MILLION

24:47 - IN THE PRODUCTIVITY BANK.

24:49 - THE MANAGING DIRECTOR,

24:50 - THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND MY

24:52 - CHIEF OF STAFF SAT AS THE BOARD,

24:53 - YOU WOULD APPLY -- LET'S SAY

24:55 - THE STREETS DEPARTMENT WOULD

24:56 - APPLY OR THE REVENUE DEPARTMENT

24:58 - WOULD APPLY FOR A GRANT FROM THE

25:00 - PRODUCTIVITY BANK, AND THEY'D

25:02 - SAY -- LET'S SAY THE REVENUE

25:03 - DEPARTMENT -- "IF WE CAN GET

25:05 - $4 MILLION TO BUY THIS COMPUTER

25:07 - SOFTWARE, IT WILL ALLOW US TO

25:08 - COLLECT $8 MILLION MORE A YEAR

25:10 - IN TAXES."

25:11 - SO IN THREE YEARS, FOR THE

25:13 - $4-MILLION GRANT, WE'D GET

25:15 - $24 MILLION BACK, WE WOULD LET

25:17 - THEM KEEP A THIRD OF THE SAVINGS

25:20 - AND BUY OTHER EQUIPMENT --

25:21 - OFFICE FURNITURE, OTHER

25:22 - EQUIPMENT, COMPUTERS --

25:24 - WHATEVER THEY NEEDED TO

25:25 - MODERNIZE THE OFFICE.

25:26 - SO THERE WAS A REAL INCENTIVE

25:28 - FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH

25:29 - CHANGES.

25:31 - SADLY, I WANTED TO HAVE

25:32 - A PROGRAM WHERE IF AN EMPLOYEE

25:35 - FILED A SUGGESTION FOR SAVING

25:37 - MONEY IN A SUGGESTION BOX, AND

25:39 - WE USED IT, THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD

25:41 - GET A TENTH OF THE MONEY SAVED,

25:45 - NOT TO EXCEED $25,000.

25:48 - THE UNION WOULDN'T LET US DO IT

25:50 - 'CAUSE THEY WANTED TO CONTROL

25:52 - WHO GOT, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND HOW

25:53 - THE MONEY WAS DISTRIBUTED.

25:55 - BUT ALL OF IT WORKED.

25:57 - IT WORKED UNBELIEVABLY WELL,

25:59 - AND WITHOUT REALLY HURTING

26:01 - SERVICES AT ALL, WE WERE ABLE

26:03 - TO TAKE $250 MILLION OUT OF

26:05 - THE COST OF OPERATING THE

26:07 - GOVERNMENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

26:09 - >> DID YOU STUDY OTHER CITIES

26:10 - BEFORE YOU BECAME MAYOR --

26:11 - WHO'S DOING WHAT RIGHT AND

26:13 - WRONG?

26:13 - >> SURE.

26:14 - I STUDIED STATES.

26:15 - GOVERNOR CELESTE IN OHIO HAD

26:17 - DONE THE SAME TYPE OF THING.

26:19 - WE STUDIED EVERYTHING HE DID.

26:21 - WE STUDIED MAYOR KOCH IN

26:23 - NEW YORK.

26:24 - MAYOR KOCH COMMISSIONED

26:25 - SOMETHING CALLED

26:27 - THE CAREY REPORT.

26:28 - IT WAS 900 PAGES LONG.

26:30 - AND I'D KNOWN MAYOR KOCH WHEN

26:31 - I WAS D.A., SO I CALLED HIM.

26:33 - THIS WAS WHEN I WASN'T MAYOR

26:34 - RIGHT BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN, AND

26:36 - I SAID, "MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO COME

26:37 - UP AND SEE YOU TO TALK ABOUT

26:38 - THE CAREY REPORT," AND HE WAS

26:40 - VERY GRACIOUS.

26:41 - I WENT UP TO NEW YORK, I SAW

26:43 - HIM, AND I SAID, "MAYOR, I'VE

26:44 - READ THE CAREY REPORT."

26:46 - HE SAID, "YOU READ THE ENTIRE

26:48 - REPORT?," AND I SAID, "YES."

26:50 - HE SAID, "ALL 900 PAGES?"

26:52 - I SAID, "YES."

26:53 - HE SAID, "CONGRATULATIONS.

26:54 - YOU'RE ONE OF ONLY THREE PEOPLE

26:56 - WHO'VE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT."

26:57 - BUT THEN HE ANSWERED QUESTIONS

26:59 - ABOUT THE REPORT.

26:59 - I BORROWED FROM

27:00 - THE CAREY REPORT, FROM WHAT

27:02 - GOVERNOR CELESTE DID IN OHIO.

27:03 - I WENT THROUGH 20 YEARS OF

27:05 - CONTROLLERS' REPORTS --

27:06 - CITY CONTROLLERS' REPORTS

27:08 - TO SEE SUGGESTIONS THEY HAD MADE

27:09 - FOR CUTTING COSTS, AND SOME OF

27:11 - THEM WEREN'T VERY GOOD, BUT SOME

27:13 - OF THEM WERE GOOD, AND WE TOOK

27:15 - THEM, AND WE BORROWED THEM.

27:17 - WE USED VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING,

27:19 - AND WE HANDED THEM OVER --

27:22 - AFTER I WON, IN THE TRANSITION,

27:24 - WE BROKE DOWN ALL THESE

27:26 - COST-SAVING SUGGESTIONS

27:28 - BY DEPARTMENT -- BY DEPARTMENT.

27:31 - AND THEN DAVID COHEN, WHO,

27:33 - OF COURSE, IS THE REAL HERO

27:35 - OF MY FIRST TERM AS MAYOR.

27:36 - WE COULD NEVER HAVE ACHIEVED

27:38 - ALL OF THE SAVINGS WE DID

27:40 - WITHOUT DAVID'S IMPLEMENTATION.

27:41 - DAVID WOULD HAVE A MEETING ONCE

27:44 - EVERY TWO WEEKS WITH EACH

27:46 - DEPARTMENT.

27:48 - THE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN

27:49 - GIVEN -- WE GAVE THE DEPARTMENT

27:51 - NINE COST-SAVING IDEAS THAT

27:52 - EITHER I OR DAVID OR TOM KNOX,

27:54 - WE HAD COME UP WITH FROM ALL

27:56 - OF OUR RESEARCH.

27:56 - SO HERE WERE NINE COST-SAVING

27:58 - IDEAS FOR THE STREETS

28:00 - DEPARTMENT.

28:00 - EVERY TWO WEEKS, THEY HAD TO

28:02 - COME IN AND FACE DAVID AND TELL

28:04 - HIM THE PROGRESS THEY'D MADE ON

28:05 - ALL NINE OF THEM, AND IF THEY

28:07 - DIDN'T MAKE SIGNIFICANT

28:08 - PROGRESS, OR DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD

28:10 - REASON FOR NOT MAKING

28:11 - SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS, IT WOULD

28:12 - BE HELL TO PAY, AND THEY WERE

28:14 - AFRAID OF GOING IN TO SEE DAVID

28:16 - WITHOUT HAVING MADE PROGRESS.

28:17 - SO WE MADE UNBELIEVABLE

28:19 - PROGRESS.

28:20 - I THINK, ALL TOLD, WE COMPILED

28:21 - 273 SUGGESTIONS FOR CUTTING

28:24 - WASTE AND ENHANCING

28:26 - PRODUCTIVITY -- 273.

28:29 - >> WHERE WERE THE PLACES WHERE

28:30 - YOU CAME ACROSS ENTRENCHED

28:32 - BUREAUCRACIES THAT WERE JUST

28:33 - IMPOSSIBLE TO BUDGE?

28:34 - >> EVERYWHERE.

28:34 - THEY WERE IMPOSSIBLE TO BUDGE --

28:36 - NOWHERE.

28:37 - WE MANAGED TO PUSH AGAINST

28:40 - THE ENTRENCHED BUREAUCRACIES

28:42 - AND VIRTUALLY MADE CHANGES

28:44 - EVERYWHERE, AND EVEN IN

28:46 - PRIVATIZATION, I PRIVATIZED AS

28:48 - MAYOR 41 FUNCTIONS THAT WERE

28:51 - DONE BY CITY WORKERS.

28:52 - THAT WAS CONTROVERSIAL.

28:54 - IT CAUSED PRIVATE UNIONS AND

28:56 - PUBLIC UNIONS TO GO TO WAR

28:58 - AGAINST EACH OTHER, BUT WE WERE

29:01 - VERY, VERY HUMANE IN THE WAY WE

29:03 - DID THIS.

29:04 - WE MADE IT CLEAR TO THE UNIONS

29:06 - AND TO THE CITY WORKERS THAT

29:08 - NO ONE WOULD LOSE THEIR JOB.

29:10 - SO, IF YOU WERE A MUSEUM --

29:12 - ART MUSEUM GUARD WORKING FOR

29:15 - THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, AND

29:17 - THERE WERE, AS I RECALL, 19,

29:20 - WE PRIVATIZED THAT FUNCTION.

29:22 - WE GAVE IT TO A PRIVATE COMPANY,

29:24 - AND WE SAVED ABOUT $1 MILLION

29:26 - A YEAR JUST ON THAT ONE THING.

29:27 - WE WOULD GUARANTEE THE 19 OF

29:29 - YOU, THAT YOU'D EITHER BE HIRED

29:32 - BY THE NEW COMPANY OR THAT YOU'D

29:34 - GET AN EQUIVALENT CITY JOB,

29:36 - EQUIVALENT IN PAY, AND THE WAY

29:38 - WE DID THAT IS WHEN WE KNEW

29:40 - WE WERE GONNA PRIVATIZE

29:42 - A FUNCTION, WE FROZE ATTRITION.

29:46 - SO, FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS

29:48 - PRIOR TO THE PRIVATIZATION

29:50 - TAKING PLACE, NO OTHER CITY JOBS

29:52 - COULD BE REPLACED WHEN SOMEONE

29:54 - LEFT, AND THEN WE TOOK THE 19

29:56 - WORKERS IN THAT DEPARTMENT AND

29:59 - FOUND EQUAL JOBS IN TERMS OF PAY

30:02 - FOR THEIR SKILL SET.

30:04 - WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS.

30:05 - SOME PEOPLE RETIRED, BUT IF YOU

30:07 - WANTED A CITY JOB, AND WE

30:08 - PRIVATIZED YOUR ORIGINAL

30:10 - FUNCTION, WE FOUND YOU A CITY

30:11 - JOB.

30:12 - THERE WERE SOME WORKERS,

30:14 - FOR EXAMPLE, IN KITCHENS IN

30:15 - THE PRISONS.

30:16 - WE PRIVATIZED THE FOOD SERVICE

30:20 - IN THE PRISONS.

30:22 - WELL, SOME OF THEM GOT $7,000

30:23 - OR $8,000 RAISES 'CAUSE THEY

30:25 - WERE QUALIFIED TO BE PRISON

30:26 - GUARDS AFTER THEY WERE TRAINED,

30:28 - AND THE PRISON GUARDS GOT PAID

30:30 - $8,000 A YEAR MORE THAN KITCHEN

30:32 - WORKERS, SO THEY DIDN'T CARE,

30:34 - AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, WE WERE

30:36 - ABLE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS --

30:38 - BREAK THE BUREAUCRACY.

30:39 - NOBODY EVER THOUGHT WE COULD

30:41 - PRIVATIZE, AND, BY THE WAY,

30:43 - OTHER THAN DAVID COHEN, THE

30:45 - SECOND BIGGEST HERO IN ALL THIS

30:47 - IS JOHN STREET, 'CAUSE HE WAS

30:49 - THE CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AND

30:51 - HE WAS VERY CLOSE TO THE UNIONS,

30:53 - BUT HE KNEW WHAT HAD TO BE DONE,

30:55 - AND HE SUPPORTED US ALL THE WAY,

30:57 - AND EVERY TIME WE PRIVATIZED

30:59 - A FUNCTION, WE HAD TO GIVE

31:00 - A CONTRACT TO THE PRIVATE

31:02 - VENDOR, AND CITY COUNCIL HAD

31:04 - TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT, AND

31:06 - THE UNIONS WOULD PACK THE

31:08 - GALLERIES IN CITY COUNCIL

31:10 - AND BE SCREAMING AT HIM NOT TO

31:12 - AUTHORIZE THE CONTRACT, AND WE

31:14 - WON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE

31:16 - VOTES.

31:18 - THERE'S 17 COUNCIL MEMBERS,

31:20 - WE WOULD WIN 15-2, 14-3, 13-4.

31:24 - WE'D WIN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF

31:26 - THOSE VOTES.

31:26 - IT WAS BECAUSE JOHN STREET KEPT

31:28 - THE COUNCIL TOGETHER AND KEPT

31:30 - SUPPORTING US, AND HE, AGAIN,

31:31 - IS REALLY AN UNSUNG HERO,

31:33 - ALTHOUGH HE BECAME MAYOR AFTER

31:35 - I LEFT, SO I THINK PEOPLE

31:36 - UNDERSTOOD WHAT HE DID TO HELP

31:38 - US ACHIEVE THE TURNAROUND, BUT

31:40 - IT WAS A REMARKABLE TIME, AND,

31:42 - AGAIN, WE SUCCEEDED.

31:44 - I KNEW WE COULD GET THERE, BUT

31:46 - I THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE LONGER,

31:48 - AND I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE

31:50 - MORE CASUALTIES ALONG THE WAY.

31:52 - IT WAS REMARKABLY SUCCESSFUL.

31:54 - WE BECAME THE TURNAROUND CITY.

31:57 - OTHER MAYORS FROM AROUND AMERICA

31:59 - CAME IN AND SAID, "HOW DO YOU

32:00 - DO IT?"

32:01 - I STILL GET MAYORS CALLING ME,

32:02 - OR DAVID DOES, TOO, SAYING,

32:04 - "DO YOU HAVE THAT BOOK OF ALL

32:05 - THE PRODUCTIVITY CHANGES THAT

32:07 - YOU ENACTED?," AND DAVID STILL

32:08 - HAS THE BOOK.

32:09 - >> DID YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH

32:10 - THE CITY DEMOCRATIC PARTY 'CAUSE

32:12 - THEY WERE SO TIED TO THE UNIONS?

32:13 - >> SURE, TO AN EXTENT, AND,

32:15 - YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I'VE RUN

32:17 - FOR ELECTION -- I'VE BEEN

32:18 - ELECTED THREE TIMES -- AS

32:20 - DISTRICT ATTORNEY, AS MAYOR,

32:22 - AND AS GOVERNOR -- THE

32:23 - DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEVER SUPPORTED

32:25 - ME IN ANY ONE OF MY ELECTIONS.

32:27 - NOW, WHEN I RAN FOR RE-ELECTION,

32:29 - THEY DID, BUT THE FIRST TIME

32:31 - I RAN FOR D.A., I RAN AGAINST

32:32 - THE INCUMBENT DISTRICT ATTORNEY,

32:34 - AND THE RIZZO ORGANIZATION

32:36 - SUPPORTED HIM.

32:37 - WHEN I RAN FOR MAYOR THE FIRST

32:39 - TIME, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

32:40 - SUPPORTED LU BLACKWELL OR

32:41 - GEORGE BURRELL.

32:42 - IT WAS A LITTLE SPLIT.

32:44 - WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR, IN

32:45 - THE PRIMARY, EVERYBODY SUPPORTED

32:47 - BOB CASEY.

32:48 - I MEAN, LITERALLY, EVEN IN

32:50 - PHILADELPHIA, OUT OF THE 69 WARD

32:52 - LEADERS IN PHILADELPHIA, ONLY

32:54 - ABOUT 12 SUPPORTED ME AGAINST

32:56 - BOB CASEY FROM SCRANTON.

32:58 - >> [ CHUCKLES ]

32:59 - WHEN -- YOU KNEW YOU WERE

33:01 - GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION

33:02 - FAIRLY EARLY ON IN --

33:04 - >> THE MAYORAL ELECTION?

33:05 - >> THE MAYORAL ELECTION.

33:07 - >> PROBABLY BY EARLY APRIL,

33:09 - ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN WEEKS

33:11 - BEFOREHAND -- YEAH.

33:12 - >> YOU STARTED -- I MEAN

33:13 - THE GENERAL ELECTION.

33:14 - >> OH, THE GENERAL ELECTION.

33:16 - I WAS PRETTY SURE WE'D BEAT

33:17 - FRANK RIZZO, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE

33:19 - WEREN'T, BUT WHEN FRANK RIZZO

33:20 - PASSED AWAY, IT BECAME CLEAR,

33:22 - SO WE HAD THREE AND A HALF

33:24 - MONTHS TO GO AFTER FRANK RIZZO

33:26 - PASSED AWAY, SO IT WAS PRETTY

33:28 - CLEAR.

33:29 - >> DID YOU START LINING UP YOUR

33:30 - TEAM THEN?

33:30 - >> SURE, AND I ALSO USED THAT

33:32 - TIME TO BEGIN TO SENSITIZE

33:34 - THE PUBLIC TO WHAT WAS COMING --

33:36 - THE CUTS, THE REDUCTIONS IN

33:39 - SERVICES TEMPORARILY, THE

33:41 - POSSIBILITY OF A LONG, BLOODY

33:43 - STRIKE -- ALL THOSE THINGS.

33:45 - BUT, SURE.

33:47 - WE LINED UP OUR TEAM EVEN THEN,

33:50 - AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, CAMPAIGNS

33:52 - ARE TOO LONG IN AMERICA.

33:54 - WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

33:55 - BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN

33:57 - USE THE CAMPAIGN TO GET ACROSS

33:59 - IDEAS.

34:00 - I DID WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR.

34:01 - I TOLD PEOPLE EXACTLY WHAT I

34:03 - WANTED TO DO WITH THE STATE,

34:05 - THE CHANGES I WANTED TO MAKE

34:07 - IN EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE,

34:08 - THE ECONOMY, ET CETERA, AND

34:10 - I DID THAT DURING MY TIME AS

34:12 - A CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR, BUT YOU

34:14 - ALSO FIND GOOD PEOPLE ALONG

34:16 - THE WAY AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS.

34:22 - I FORGET.

34:23 - DONNA COOPER, WHO WAS WITH ME

34:25 - IN THE CAMPAIGN, INTRODUCED ME

34:27 - TO THIS WOMAN ESTELLE RICHMAN,

34:29 - WHO WAS A REMARKABLE WOMAN, WHO

34:31 - I MADE THE HEALTH COMMISSIONER

34:33 - OF THE CITY.

34:34 - SHE WAS THE FIRST NON-DOCTOR TO

34:36 - BE HEALTH COMMISSIONER, AND SHE

34:37 - PROBABLY WAS THE BEST HEALTH

34:38 - COMMISSIONER IN THE CITY'S

34:39 - HISTORY.

34:40 - SHE WENT ON TO BE MANAGING

34:41 - DIRECTOR UNDER JOHN STREET,

34:42 - AND THEN WHEN I GOT ELECTED

34:44 - MAYOR, WENT ON TO BE SECRETARY

34:45 - OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC

34:46 - WELFARE, AND DID A GREAT JOB

34:48 - THERE, SO, YEAH.

34:50 - DURING THE CAMPAIGN, YOU MEET

34:51 - PEOPLE, AND YOU BEGIN TO

34:52 - ASSEMBLE THE TEAM.

34:53 - I WAS SUPERSTITIOUS.

34:55 - I WOULD NEVER HOLD ANY FORMAL

34:57 - MEETINGS, BUT I WAS THINKING

34:58 - ABOUT IT AS WE WENT THROUGH IT.

35:00 - >> WERE THERE PEOPLE YOU CALLED

35:02 - UP FOR ADVICE?

35:03 - >> DURING THE CAMPAIGN?

35:04 - >> AS YOU WERE BUILDING -- ONCE

35:05 - YOU KNEW YOU WERE GONNA WIN AND

35:06 - YOU WERE GETTING READY TO TAKE

35:07 - OFFICE.

35:08 - >> OH, SURE.

35:08 - I WENT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY

35:10 - TO FIND PEOPLE.

35:11 - I WENT TO SOME OF THE LABOR

35:12 - LEADERS WHO I TRUSTED, AND THERE

35:14 - WERE SOME PRIVATE LABOR UNIONS

35:16 - THAT DID SUPPORT ME, EVEN THOUGH

35:18 - MOST OF THEM DIDN'T.

35:19 - I WENT TO PENN, TO THE FELS

35:21 - SCHOOL TO RECRUIT SOME OF

35:22 - THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST PEOPLE.

35:24 - WE HAD A NUMBER OF FELS

35:26 - GRADUATES WORKING IN OUR OFFICE.

35:29 - I VIRTUALLY WENT ALL OVER, AND

35:31 - THEN I GOT THE IDEA TO DO THIS

35:33 - PRIVATE-SECTOR TASK FORCE, AND

35:36 - I WENT TO TWO GREAT HEADS OF

35:38 - COMPANIES TO PUT TOGETHER --

35:40 - TO HEAD UP THE PRIVATE-SECTOR

35:42 - TASK FORCE, AND THEY DID, AND

35:45 - THEY ATTRACTED ALL THE COMPANIES

35:47 - IN THE CHAMBER.

35:49 - VIRTUALLY, I THINK, 70, 80

35:51 - COMPANIES GAVE US LOANED

35:53 - EXECUTIVES.

35:55 - WE DIDN'T PAY THEM.

35:56 - THEY WERE LOANED BY THEIR

35:58 - COMPANIES, AND THEY WORKED IN

35:59 - THE GOVERNMENT FINDING WAYS

36:01 - TO SAVE MONEY OR INCREASE

36:02 - PRODUCTIVITY, AND THEY WERE

36:04 - A REMARKABLE SUCCESS.

36:05 - I MEAN, WE DID SO MANY

36:07 - INNOVATIVE THINGS, AND IT WAS

36:09 - AN EXCITING TIME.

36:11 - >> DO YOU REMEMBER

36:12 - INAUGURATION DAY?

36:13 - >> SURE.

36:14 - INAUGURATION DAY WAS THE DAY

36:16 - AFTER MY BIRTHDAY.

36:18 - I TURNED 48 THE NIGHT BEFORE,

36:20 - AND THEN IT WAS

36:21 - INAUGURATION DAY.

36:22 - I REMEMBER IN THE INAUGURATION

36:25 - I MADE A SPEECH AND I SAID --

36:28 - YOU KNOW, I HAD A MESSAGE TO

36:30 - THE UNIONS IN MY SPEECH, AND

36:33 - I SAID, "THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.

36:34 - YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO

36:36 - THIS TOGETHER, BUT IT'S GONNA BE

36:38 - A WILD RIDE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO

36:40 - GET TO OUR DESTINATION," AND

36:42 - THE WALL STREET JOURNAL THE

36:43 - NEXT DAY HAD A QUOTE FROM MY

36:45 - SPEECH, WHICH I FRAMED AND PUT

36:47 - IN A PAPERWEIGHT ON THE DESK.

36:50 - >> WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU

36:51 - WALKED INTO YOUR OFFICE,

36:53 - THE MAYOR'S OFFICE?

36:54 - >> WELL, I'D BEEN IN

36:56 - THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BEFORE TO SEE

36:58 - FRANK RIZZO AND TO SEE

36:59 - BILL GREEN.

37:00 - I'D BEEN IN THE OFFICE A COUPLE

37:02 - OF TIMES, SO IT WAS NO SURPRISE,

37:04 - AND MAYOR GOODE WAS VERY

37:06 - GRACIOUS, AND I THINK I CAME

37:09 - INTO THE OFFICE AS MAYOR-ELECT

37:11 - PROBABLY THE THURSDAY AFTER

37:13 - THE ELECTION, AND I LOOKED

37:15 - AROUND, AND MAYOR GOODE SHOWED

37:17 - ME AROUND, AND, YOU KNOW, I

37:19 - THINK MAYOR GOODE HAD CHALLENGES

37:21 - AS MAYOR, BUT, BOY, TALK ABOUT

37:23 - A GREAT EX-MAYOR.

37:24 - HE HAS BEEN A GREAT EX-MAYOR --

37:26 - YOU KNOW, BECAME A MINISTER AND

37:28 - HAS MINISTERED TO PRISONERS AND

37:30 - WORKED WITH ME AND GOT STATE

37:32 - MONEY TO HELP PRISONERS GET JOBS

37:34 - WHEN THEY LEFT THE PRISON, SO HE

37:36 - WAS VERY GRACIOUS, AND THE

37:38 - INTERESTING THING IS, I NOTICED

37:40 - RIGHT AWAY I WANTED TO MAKE ONE

37:42 - CHANGE.

37:44 - MAYOR GOODE HAD THE CURTAINS

37:46 - CLOSED.

37:47 - THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN

37:48 - PHILADELPHIA IS A BEAUTIFUL

37:50 - WOOD-PANELED OFFICE.

37:51 - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WOOD IS.

37:53 - I THINK IT WAS A RICH WALNUT --

37:55 - BEAUTIFUL PANELING, BUT IT'S

37:56 - A LITTLE DARK, AND MAYOR GOODE

37:58 - HAD BIG CURTAINS OVER THE ONLY

38:00 - WINDOWS, WHICH WERE IN BACK OF

38:02 - THE MAYOR'S DESK, AND I ASKED

38:04 - THE POLICE DETAIL WHY HE HAD

38:06 - THE CURTAINS CLOSED, AND HE SAID

38:08 - MAYOR GOODE HAD GOTTEN SOME

38:10 - DEATH THREATS, SO HE WAS AFRAID

38:12 - THAT SOMEONE COULD GO IN THE

38:14 - COURTYARD AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK UP

38:16 - AND SEE HIM, YOU KNOW,

38:18 - THROUGH -- AND I SAID, "I CAN'T

38:20 - LIVE LIKE THIS.

38:22 - I GOT TO HAVE SOME LIGHT."

38:23 - SO WE GOT RID OF THE CURTAINS,

38:26 - BUT BASICALLY IT'S A BEAUTIFUL

38:29 - OFFICE, AND I HAD A DESK WHEN

38:31 - I WAS DISTRICT ATTORNEY THAT

38:34 - DICK DILWORTH HAD USED WHEN HE

38:36 - WAS DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND MAYOR.

38:38 - SO I WANTED TO FIND THE DILWORTH

38:40 - DESK, BUT IT WAS STILL BEING

38:41 - USED BY -- I'M TRYING TO THINK

38:43 - WHO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS

38:45 - THEN.

38:46 - I THINK IT WAS RON CASTILLE

38:48 - STILL WAS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

38:49 - SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS

38:51 - GONNA DO FOR A DESK.

38:52 - I DIDN'T HAVE A DESK IN

38:54 - THE LAW FIRM.

38:55 - AND THEN SOMEONE SUGGESTED TO

38:57 - ME -- IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.

38:59 - IN THE PHILADELPHIA PRISONS,

39:01 - THE ONE GOOD CRAFT THEY HAVE

39:03 - IS MAKING FURNITURE.

39:04 - THEY SAID, "WHY DON'T YOU HAVE

39:06 - THE PRISONERS MAKE YOUR DESK?"

39:08 - I LOOKED AT A CATALOG, I PICKED

39:10 - SOMETHING OUT, AND BY THE TIME,

39:12 - TWO MONTHS LATER WHEN I BECAME

39:14 - MAYOR, THE PRISONERS HAD MADE

39:15 - A DESK, A BEAUTIFUL DESK,

39:17 - THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB, AND

39:19 - IN THE BOTTOM OF THE MIDDLE

39:21 - DRAWER OF THE DESK, THEY HAD

39:23 - ALL CARVED THEIR NAMES.

39:24 - IT WAS GREAT.

39:25 - I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST TERRIFIC,

39:27 - AND IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM --

39:28 - STILL EXISTS TODAY IN

39:30 - THE PHILADELPHIA PRISONS.

39:31 - >> WHAT KIND OF STUFF DID YOU

39:33 - BRING IN TO PERSONALIZE YOUR

39:34 - OFFICE?

39:35 - >> MY OWN STUFF -- YOU KNOW,

39:36 - PICTURES THAT I HAD FROM

39:37 - THE PAST -- JUST LIKE I HAVE IN

39:39 - THE OFFICE HERE -- PICTURES OF

39:41 - ME WITH SOME POLITICIANS, FAMILY

39:42 - PICTURES.

39:43 - I HAD A TON OF PICTURES OF JESSE

39:45 - AND MIDGE, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M

39:47 - A GREAT DOG LOVER, SO I HAD

39:49 - A TON OF PICTURES OF MY DOG.

39:50 - WOLFIE WAS MY DOG THEN --

39:52 - A GOLDEN RETRIEVER BY THE NAME

39:54 - OF WOLFIE.

39:55 - TONS OF PICTURES, AND THEN I

39:57 - BORROWED SOME PICTURES FROM

39:59 - THE ART MUSEUM, PUT SOME OF

40:01 - THOSE UP.

40:03 - I PUT SOME PICTURES UP OF FAMOUS

40:04 - PHILADELPHIA SITES, LIKE

40:06 - BOATHOUSE ROW -- WANTED TO MAKE

40:08 - IT A LITTLE BIT LESS SOMBER,

40:10 - AND NOT DISRESPECTFUL, BUT

40:12 - A LITTLE BIT LESS SOMBER THAN

40:15 - IT WAS.

40:16 - >> YOU SCRUBBED A BATHROOM IN

40:17 - THE CITY HALL WHEN YOU WERE

40:19 - NEW IN OFFICE?

40:20 - >> YES, CITY HALL WAS IN

40:21 - TERRIBLE SHAPE.

40:22 - IN FACT, I USED TO USE IT AS

40:24 - A METAPHOR FOR THE CITY DURING

40:26 - THE CAMPAIGN.

40:27 - IT WAS DIRTY, IT WAS FILTHY,

40:29 - IT WAS -- TRASH WAS STREWN

40:30 - ALL ABOUT.

40:31 - THE PAINT WAS PEELING.

40:32 - AND I SAID, "HOW CAN THE

40:34 - CITIZENS OF THIS CITY HAVE ANY

40:35 - CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN DO

40:36 - ANYTHING WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN KEEP

40:38 - OUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER?"

40:39 - SO EARLY ON, ABOUT MY SECOND

40:41 - WEEK AS MAYOR, I SAID THAT

40:43 - THE LAST SATURDAY IN JANUARY WE

40:45 - WERE GONNA HAVE A CITIZENS'

40:47 - CLEAN-UP, AND WE GAVE THE

40:48 - CITIZENS A WAY OF SIGNING UP

40:50 - TO VOLUNTEER TO CLEAN UP.

40:53 - I GOT -- THE PRIVATE UNIONS

40:56 - HELPED OUT.

40:57 - WE GOT CARDINAL BEVILACQUA TO

40:59 - GIVE A BLESSING AS WE STARTED

41:01 - THE DAY TO CLEAN IT UP, AND

41:03 - WE HAD 3,500 PEOPLE SIGNED UP.

41:06 - IT WAS REALLY AMAZING.

41:10 - A LOT OF PEOPLE, OF COURSE, WERE

41:12 - PHILADELPHIANS, BUT I WOULD GET

41:14 - LETTERS ALL DURING THAT

41:16 - THREE-WEEK PERIOD FROM PEOPLE --

41:21 - I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY A LETTER

41:22 - I GOT FROM A LADY IN ALTOONA,

41:24 - AND SHE SAID, "MAYOR, I GREW UP

41:26 - IN PHILADELPHIA, AND I HAVEN'T

41:28 - LIVED THERE IN 30 YEARS, BUT I

41:30 - CAN STILL CLOSE MY EYES AND

41:31 - REMEMBER GROWING UP IN

41:33 - SOUTH PHILADELPHIA AND WALKING

41:34 - HOME FROM SCHOOL PAST ALL

41:36 - THE BAKERIES AND SMELLING

41:37 - THE SMELLS AND THE WARMTH OF

41:39 - PEOPLE OUT ON THEIR STOOPS."

41:41 - SHE SAID, "IT'S A WONDERFUL

41:42 - CITY.

41:43 - I'D LIKE TO HELP IT TURN AROUND.

41:45 - SO GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION

41:48 - ABOUT HOW I CAN VOLUNTEER."

41:51 - AND DURING THAT DAY, I TOOK

41:52 - THE WORST ASSIGNMENT OF ALL

41:54 - FOR MYSELF -- CLEANING UP

41:56 - THE FIRST-FLOOR BATHROOM, WHICH

41:58 - WAS USED BY EVERYONE, INCLUDING

42:00 - HOMELESS PEOPLE, AND I GOT DOWN

42:02 - ON MY HANDS AND KNEES, AND

42:03 - THERE'S A FAMOUS PICTURE OF ME

42:05 - SCRUBBING OUT THE TOILET, AND

42:07 - THEN AFTER I FINISHED WITH

42:08 - THE BATHROOM, I STARTED GOING

42:10 - OUT AND DIGGING BEHIND

42:12 - RADIATORS TO CLEAN.

42:13 - WE FOUND A PARKING TICKET FROM

42:16 - 1911 UNPAID, AND WE FIGURED

42:18 - THE INTEREST ON THAT PARKING

42:20 - TICKET WOULD BE CLOSE TO

42:21 - $700,000 OR $800,000 IF WE FOUND

42:24 - THE FAMILY, BUT WHILE I'M DOWN

42:26 - ON MY HANDS AND KNEES CLEANING

42:28 - OUT BEHIND THE RADIATOR, I FEEL

42:30 - A TAP ON MY SHOULDER, AND IT'S

42:32 - THE LADY FROM ALTOONA.

42:34 - IT WAS A GREAT DAY, AND IT

42:36 - WAS A -- IT WAS SORT OF, AGAIN,

42:38 - A SYMBOL TO THE PEOPLE OF

42:40 - THE CITY THAT WE WERE ALL,

42:41 - CUMULATIVELY TOGETHER, GONNA

42:43 - TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR

42:45 - TURNING THIS CITY AROUND, AND

42:47 - THAT'S THE SAME THING.

42:48 - THE SWIMMING POOLS HAD BEEN

42:50 - CLOSED THE YEAR BEFORE I WAS

42:51 - MAYOR 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE

42:53 - ANY MONEY.

42:53 - WELL, WE STILL DIDN'T HAVE

42:55 - ANY MONEY, BUT I DECIDED WE WERE

42:56 - GONNA RAISE MONEY FROM THE

42:58 - PRIVATE SECTOR, AND I WENT TO

42:59 - MY FRIEND DAVE MONTGOMERY,

43:00 - WHO NOW IS THE OWNER OF

43:02 - THE PHILLIES.

43:02 - AT THAT TIME, DAVE WAS

43:04 - THE ASSISTANT TO BILL GILES,

43:06 - AND I SAID, "I WANT TO START

43:07 - A POOL FOR THE POOLS PROGRAM,

43:09 - BUT THE WAY I THINK WE CAN GET

43:11 - THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO KICK MONEY

43:13 - IN IS TO HAVE THE PHILLIES

43:15 - PARTICIPATE," AND DAVID CAME UP,

43:17 - OR BILL -- ONE OF THE TWO OF

43:19 - THEM CAME UP WITH THE IDEA

43:21 - OF HAVING PHILLIES' STAR PITCHER

43:22 - THEN, A MAN BY THE NAME OF

43:24 - TERRY MULHOLLAND.

43:25 - TERRY AGREED TO GIVE $1,000 FOR

43:27 - EVERY GAME HE WON THAT SEASON

43:29 - TOWARDS THE POOL FOR THE POOL

43:31 - PROGRAM, AND THE PHILLIES AGREED

43:33 - TO MATCH IT.

43:35 - TERRY WENT ON TO WIN 11 GAMES

43:37 - THAT YEAR, AND SO WE GOT $22,000

43:39 - FROM THAT, BUT WITH TERRY AND

43:41 - THE PHILLIES AT THE INITIAL

43:43 - ANNOUNCEMENT, WE RAISED OVER

43:45 - $150,000 FROM THE PRIVATE

43:47 - SECTOR, ENOUGH FOR US TO OPEN UP

43:49 - ALL THE CITY POOLS THAT WERE

43:51 - CLOSED THE YEAR BEFORE AND TO

43:53 - RENOVATE, ACTUALLY, THREE OR

43:55 - FOUR CITY POOLS, AND IT WAS

43:57 - GREAT, AND, AGAIN, ANOTHER

43:59 - FAMOUS PICTURE WAS ME JUMPING

44:01 - IN WHEN WE OPENED UP THE FIRST

44:02 - POOL THAT HAD BEEN CLOSED.

44:04 - IN JUNE OF THAT YEAR, I JUMPED

44:06 - IN WITH ABOUT 40, 45 KIDS.

44:09 - I WASN'T IN VERY GOOD SHAPE.

44:11 - IT WAS A SOMEWHAT EMBARRASSING

44:13 - PICTURE, BUT PEOPLE LOVED IT,

44:15 - AND THE TV CAMERAS HAD ME

44:16 - SWIMMING AROUND AND KIDS,

44:18 - YOU KNOW, GETTING ON MY BACK,

44:20 - AND, AGAIN, YOU KNOW,

44:22 - IT HELPED SET THE MOOD.

44:23 - SO MUCH OF BEING ABLE TO

44:25 - COMMUNICATE AND GOVERN

44:27 - EFFECTIVELY IS BOTH SUBSTANCE --

44:33 - YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUBSTANCE,

44:34 - BUT THERE HAS TO BE THE

44:35 - PERCEPTION OF CHANGE, AND PEOPLE

44:37 - HAVE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT

44:38 - THE GOVERNMENT.

44:39 - I MEAN, THE MASTER OF THAT WAS

44:40 - RONALD REAGAN.

44:41 - HE MADE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT

44:43 - AMERICA AGAIN, OPTIMISTIC ABOUT

44:45 - AMERICA AGAIN.

44:46 - TO AN EXTENT, WE DID THAT.

44:48 - I KNEW THAT WHILE WE WERE DOING

44:49 - HARD THINGS, WE NEEDED SOME

44:51 - VICTORIES LIKE OPENING UP THE

44:52 - POOLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO

44:54 - SHOW THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT

44:55 - WHILE WE WERE DOING ALL THESE

44:57 - TOUGH THINGS, WHILE WE WERE

44:59 - BUILDING DOWNTOWN WITH THE

45:00 - AVENUE OF THE ARTS, WE HADN'T

45:02 - FORGOTTEN THEM.

45:03 - >> WHAT WAS A DAY LIKE FOR YOU?

45:05 - LIKE, WHERE'D YOU LIVE AND WHAT

45:06 - TIME DID YOU GET UP IN

45:07 - THE MORNING?

45:08 - HOW'D YOU GET TO WORK?

45:09 - >> WELL, WE LIVED IN EAST FALLS.

45:12 - I -- POLICE WOULD PICK ME UP.

45:14 - I WOULD GET IN.

45:15 - I WOULD GO TO THE GYM OFTEN

45:17 - FIRST.

45:17 - >> WHAT TIME WOULD YOU WAKE UP?

45:19 - >> I'D WAKE UP MAYBE ABOUT 6:30,

45:22 - GET INTO THE GYM ABOUT 7:00,

45:24 - 7:15, AND THEN I'D PROBABLY BE

45:27 - AT MY DESK BY 8:30, QUARTER

45:29 - OF 9:00, AND I WOULD...

45:36 - I WAS PRETTY ADAMANT THAT I

45:38 - WASN'T GONNA LEAVE CITY HALL

45:40 - FROM 8:30 TO NOON, FROM 2:00

45:44 - TO 5:30.

45:46 - I DID, BUT I ALSO KNEW I HAD

45:48 - TO GET OUT.

45:49 - I HAD TO GET OUT AROUND AND

45:50 - RALLY THE CITY AND RALLY

45:51 - THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO I WOULD

45:54 - MAKE TWO OR THREE SPEECHES AT

45:56 - LUNCHTIME, AND THEN AT NIGHT,

45:58 - I WOULD GO OUT AT 5:30, AND I'D

46:00 - SAY YES TO SIX OR SEVEN

46:02 - COMMUNITY MEETINGS, DINNERS,

46:04 - ET CETERA, BUT I WOULD HAVE IT

46:06 - DOWN TO A "T," AND WE WOULD

46:08 - EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE IN

46:09 - ADVANCE, "LOOK, YOU WANT THE

46:11 - MAYOR TO BE AT YOUR COMMUNITY

46:13 - EVENT -- YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING

46:15 - A TOWN MEETING, THE MAYOR WILL

46:17 - COME, BUT YOU HAVE TO AGREE

46:19 - TO THESE GUIDELINES.

46:20 - IF THE MAYOR GETS THERE AT 8:15,

46:23 - YOU INTRODUCE HIM, AND HE SPEAKS

46:26 - AT 8:17.

46:27 - HE SPEAKS FOR 10 MINUTES,

46:29 - ANSWERS 15 MINUTES' WORTH

46:31 - OF QUESTIONS, HE'S GONE BY 8:42.

46:33 - IF YOU CAN'T LIVE UP TO THAT

46:35 - SCHEDULE, WE'LL LEAVE," AND

46:36 - THE REASON THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE

46:38 - HARSH, BUT I LITERALLY MADE

46:40 - SEVEN APPOINTMENTS BETWEEN 5:30

46:42 - AND 9:30 THAT NIGHT, AND IF YOU

46:44 - WANTED ME TO COME TO YOUR

46:46 - DINNER -- YOU'RE A CHARITY, AND

46:48 - YOU'RE HONORING, LET'S SAY,

46:50 - RON RUBIN -- GREAT BUSINESSMAN

46:52 - WHO PROBABLY HAD AS MUCH TO DO

46:54 - WITH TURNING CENTER CITY AROUND

46:56 - AS ANYBODY.

46:57 - WELL, YES, THE MAYOR WILL COME

46:58 - TO HONOR RON RUBIN AT THE POLICE

47:01 - ATHLETIC -- WELL, LET'S SAY AT

47:03 - THE CANCER SOCIETY DINNER, BUT

47:05 - THE MAYOR HAS TO GET ON WITHIN

47:07 - THREE OR FOUR MINUTES FROM

47:08 - THE TIME HE ARRIVES, HE HAS TO

47:10 - SPEAK, AND THEN HE'S GONNA

47:12 - LEAVE.

47:13 - HE'S NOT GONNA EAT DINNER,

47:14 - HE'S NOT GONNA DO THIS.

47:15 - SO WE HAD IT DOWN TO A "T,"

47:17 - AND WE TRAINED PEOPLE VERY WELL.

47:20 - I WOULD GET THERE AT 7:15, I'D

47:22 - BE ON AT 7:18, I'D SPEAK FOR

47:24 - FIVE MINUTES -- TWO MINUTES

47:26 - ABOUT THE CANCER SOCIETY,

47:28 - THREE OR FOUR MINUTES ABOUT

47:30 - RON RUBIN, I'D BE OUT OF THERE

47:32 - IN 9 1/2, 10 MINUTES.

47:34 - THAT'S HOW I MADE SEVEN

47:35 - DIFFERENT STOPS A NIGHT, AND

47:36 - THE INTERESTING THING IS, I

47:38 - WOULD GO TO ALL THESE GREAT

47:39 - DINNERS IN HOTELS, EAT NOTHING,

47:41 - AND THEN COME HOME AT 11:00

47:42 - AT NIGHT AND HAVE A HAM SANDWICH

47:44 - 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T EAT

47:45 - A BIG MEAL THAT LATE AT NIGHT,

47:47 - BUT IT WORKED.

47:48 - PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS LITERALLY

47:51 - EVERYWHERE, AND, TO A GREAT

47:53 - EXTENT, I WAS.

47:54 - ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS, IT WAS

47:56 - NOT UNCOMMON FOR ME TO HAVE 18

47:59 - STOPS, STARTING AT 10:00 IN

48:01 - THE MORNING AND GOING TILL

48:03 - 10:00 OR 11:00 AT NIGHT, AND

48:05 - I WOULD GO ALL OVER THE CITY,

48:07 - AND I HAD A BLACK BOOK, AND

48:09 - THERE WAS A LITTLE PAGE OF NOTES

48:11 - ABOUT EACH STOP.

48:12 - THAT WAS MY BRIEFING SO I

48:14 - WOULDN'T GET CONFUSED, 'CAUSE

48:16 - WHEN YOU HAVE 18 STOPS IN A DAY,

48:19 - AND I GOT PRETTY GOOD AT IT,

48:21 - AND ONE -- I'LL NEVER FORGET.

48:23 - ONE HOT AUGUST SATURDAY, I HAD

48:26 - LITERALLY 18 STOPS, AND MY LAST

48:29 - STOP WAS A...

48:35 - A STOP FOR THE LINDA CREED

48:38 - CHILD CARE FOUNDATION.

48:40 - THEY WERE HAVING A PARTY FOR

48:43 - YOUNG PEOPLE AT MEMORIAL HALL,

48:45 - AND I DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ.

48:48 - IT WAS THE LAST STOP.

48:50 - I WAS DEAD TIRED.

48:51 - I WAS DEHYDRATED.

48:53 - IT WAS A HORRIBLE AUGUST DAY,

48:55 - AND I DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ

48:56 - MY BRIEFING PAPER, AND,

48:58 - OF COURSE, THERE'S

48:59 - THE SUSAN G. KOMEN BREAST CANCER

49:01 - FOUNDATION, AND I WENT IN, AND

49:04 - I CONFUSED THE LINDA CREED

49:06 - CHILD CARE FOUNDATION WITH

49:08 - THE SUSAN G. KOMEN BREAST --

49:11 - SO I GET UP, I'M INTRODUCED.

49:12 - I GIVE THIS RIP-ROARING SPEECH

49:14 - ABOUT THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING

49:16 - AGAINST THE FIGHT AGAINST BREAST

49:17 - CANCER AND HOW THE LINDA CREED

49:19 - FOUNDATION HAD BEEN A LEADER

49:20 - AND WHAT A GREAT THING IT WAS,

49:22 - AND WE GOT TO KEEP THE PROGRESS

49:23 - UP 'CAUSE WE CAN LICK BREAST

49:25 - CANCER, AND WHEN I FINISHED,

49:26 - I GOT A STANDING OVATION FROM

49:27 - ALL THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.

49:29 - THEY WERE IN THEIR 20s AND EARLY

49:31 - 30s, AND I WALKED OUT FEELING

49:33 - PRETTY GOOD, AND THEN THE

49:35 - EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF

49:36 - LINDA CREED GRABBED ME AND GAVE

49:38 - ME ALL SORTS OF HELL 'CAUSE I

49:40 - HAD TALKED ABOUT THE WRONG

49:42 - THING -- FOR CHILD CARE.

49:44 - THEY WANTED BREAST CANCER.

49:46 - AND I SAID, "BUT EVERYBODY LOVED

49:48 - THE SPEECH," AND SHE SAID,

49:49 - "WELL, THEY'VE ALL BEEN DRINKING

49:51 - SINCE 6:00."

49:51 - >> [ LAUGHS ]

49:52 - >> THEY WOULD HAVE APPLAUDED

49:54 - IF I WENT UP THERE AND READ

49:55 - THE PHONE BOOK, YOU KNOW, BUT --

49:57 - BUT BEING EVERYWHERE WORKED.

49:59 - IT WORKED TO RAISE THE MORALE

50:01 - OF THE CITY, AND IT WORKED --

50:03 - THE REASON I WAS SO CAREFUL

50:05 - TO COME TO EVERY COMMUNITY

50:07 - GROUP -- BLOCK PARTIES I WOULD

50:09 - COME TO - BECAUSE MY PRESENCE --

50:11 - NOT THAT I WAS ED RENDELL, BUT

50:13 - THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR OF

50:15 - THE CITY CARED ENOUGH TO COME

50:16 - TO THEIR BLOCK PARTY ON A HOT

50:18 - AUGUST SATURDAY INSTEAD OF BEING

50:21 - DOWN AT THE SHORE, THAT MEANT

50:22 - SOMETHING TO PEOPLE, AND IT

50:24 - WORKED.

50:25 - IT WORKED.

50:26 - YOU KNOW, THE CRITICS WOULD

50:27 - ALWAYS SAY, "OH, YOU'RE SPENDING

50:29 - TOO MUCH TIME AND TOO MUCH MONEY

50:30 - FIXING UP CENTER CITY, NOT THE

50:32 - NEIGHBORHOODS."

50:33 - WELL, OF COURSE, I SAID,

50:35 - "YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS."

50:36 - I SAID, "WE'RE CREATING JOBS

50:38 - IN CENTER CITY, BUT WHO DO YOU

50:39 - THINK HOLDS THE JOBS?

50:41 - PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS."

50:42 - AND THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO

50:44 - FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR HOUSING

50:45 - PROBLEMS OR CRIME PROBLEMS, IS

50:47 - GET PEOPLE GOOD JOBS.

50:48 - BUT I STILL WENT INTO THE

50:49 - NEIGHBORHOODS TO SAY, YES, WE

50:51 - CARE ABOUT YOU.

50:52 - YES, WE'RE GONNA -- AND PEOPLE

50:54 - WOULD GIVE ME PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS

50:55 - WITH STREETLIGHTS, YOU KNOW,

50:57 - AND I WOULD TAKE THEM DOWN,

50:59 - AND I HAD A CAR PHONE WAY BEFORE

51:00 - IT WAS POPULAR, AND MY

51:02 - COMMISSIONERS LIVED IN FEAR WHEN

51:04 - I WENT OUT ON A SATURDAY, SUNDAY

51:06 - NIGHT BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER WAIT

51:08 - TILL THE NEXT MORNING.

51:10 - AS SOON AS I LEFT THE BLOCK

51:11 - PARTY, AND IF THEY HAD

51:13 - COMPLAINED THAT THE DRAIN WAS

51:14 - CLOGGED UP, I WAS ON THE PHONE

51:16 - TO THE WATER COMMISSIONER --

51:17 - OR THE STREETS COMMISSIONER --

51:19 - I SAID, "I WANT SOMEBODY OUT

51:20 - HERE MONDAY MORNING TO CLEAN

51:22 - THIS DRAIN AND CLEAN IT GOOD,"

51:24 - AND PEOPLE WERE AMAZED.

51:26 - PEOPLE WERE AMAZED.

51:27 - I'M RESPONSIBLE -- TO THIS DAY,

51:29 - I THINK I'M STILL RESPONSIBLE

51:30 - FOR THE LOUSY CONDITION OF

51:32 - CENTER CITY STREETS, 'CAUSE WE

51:33 - PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO STREET

51:35 - PAVING, BUT I WANTED TO LET

51:36 - THE NEIGHBORHOODS KNOW THAT WE

51:38 - HADN'T FORGOTTEN THEM, SO I HAD

51:40 - PUT ALL THE EMPHASIS ON STREET

51:41 - REPAVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS,

51:43 - AND WE NEGLECTED CENTER CITY,

51:44 - AND IT'S STILL BEEN NEGLECTED,

51:46 - AND SOME OF THOSE STREETS IN

51:47 - CENTER CITY, THEY'RE JUST

51:48 - GETTING AROUND TO DOING THEM.

51:50 - I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

51:52 - >> SPEAKING OF THE

51:53 - NEIGHBORHOODS, NOW, A LOT OF

51:54 - THE PHILADELPHIA NEIGHBORHOODS

51:56 - USED TO BE LIKE SMALL TOWNS

51:57 - WHERE THERE WAS A FACTORY WHERE

51:59 - EVERYBODY WORKED IN THE FACTORY

52:00 - AND EVERYBODY SHOPPED AT LOCAL

52:02 - STORES.

52:02 - >> MAIN STREETS, RIGHT.

52:03 - >> AND THE FACTORIES ARE ALL

52:05 - GONE NOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD

52:06 - FACTORIES, SO WHAT HAPPENS

52:08 - TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS?

52:09 - WHAT KEEPS THEM TOGETHER ONCE

52:11 - THE MAJOR EMPLOYER ISN'T THERE

52:12 - ANYMORE?

52:12 - >> WELL, THE FACTORIES, TO

52:14 - A GREAT EXTENT ARE GONE --

52:15 - NOT ENTIRELY GONE, BUT TO

52:17 - A GREAT EXTENT THEY ARE.

52:19 - WHAT HOLDS THEM TOGETHER

52:21 - IS THE COMMUNITY GROUPS.

52:23 - PHILADELPHIA IS VERY, VERY

52:24 - FORTUNATE TO HAVE -- FIRST

52:25 - OF ALL, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL

52:27 - BLOCK CAPTAINS.

52:28 - I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER CITY

52:29 - IN AMERICA HAS A BLOCK CAPTAINS

52:31 - NETWORK.

52:32 - I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE BLOCK

52:34 - CAPTAINS THAT LAST SATURDAY --

52:37 - I HAVEN'T BEEN MAYOR FOR --

52:38 - FOR...

52:39 - GOSH, I HAVEN'T BEEN MAYOR

52:41 - FOR 13 YEARS.

52:41 - LAST SATURDAY, I WENT TO

52:43 - A BLOCK CAPTAINS' RALLY

52:45 - THAT COUNCILMAN CURTIS JONES

52:46 - HAD JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO

52:48 - THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY DID,

52:49 - AND THE BLOCK CAPTAINS KEEP IT

52:51 - TOGETHER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD

52:52 - ORGANIZATIONS KEEP IT TOGETHER.

52:54 - WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP OF

52:55 - COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

52:56 - CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE REBUILT.

52:58 - IF YOU GO INTO THE

52:59 - NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'LL STILL FIND

53:01 - SOME DILAPIDATED VACANT HOUSES,

53:03 - BUT YOU'LL FIND SOME INCREDIBLY

53:05 - NEW, VERY GOOD-LOOKING UNITS

53:06 - BUILT BY -- WITH CDBG MONEY --

53:08 - BUILT BY THESE COMMUNITY

53:10 - DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS.

53:12 - THEY'VE DEVELOPED A GREAT DEAL

53:14 - OF SKILL.

53:15 - THE WILLIAM PENN FOUNDATION

53:17 - GAVE THEM GRANTS TO DEVELOP

53:19 - THEIR SKILL CAPACITY -- NOT

53:20 - TO DO ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE,

53:22 - BUT JUST TO BUILD CAPACITY,

53:24 - TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO KNEW HOW

53:26 - TO APPLY FOR TAX CREDITS,

53:29 - DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, ET CETERA,

53:32 - AND SO PHILADELPHIA -- IT'S

53:34 - CALLED A CITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS,

53:37 - AND THAT'S TRUE, AND IT REVOLVES

53:40 - AROUND THE BLOCK CAPTAINS, IT

53:42 - REVOLVES AROUND THE COMMUNITY

53:43 - DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, AND

53:45 - EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ITS OWN

53:46 - SORT OF -- YOU KNOW, ITS OWN

53:48 - ENERGY AND ITS OWN VITALITY.

53:51 - FAIRMOUNT PARK IS THE BIGGEST

53:53 - URBAN PARK SYSTEM IN THE WORLD,

53:54 - BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF

53:56 - NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS THAT

53:58 - THE FAIRMOUNT PARK COMMISSION

53:59 - AND THE REC DEPARTMENT RUN,

54:01 - AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB, AND

54:02 - EACH ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD

54:04 - PARKS IS SORT OF LIKE

54:05 - A COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THE REC

54:07 - CENTERS ARE USED NOT JUST FOR

54:09 - SPORTS, BUT FOR MEETINGS,

54:11 - ET CETERA, SO -- THE BRANCH

54:13 - LIBRARIES.

54:14 - THE REASON THAT I PUT SO MUCH

54:16 - INTO -- RE-RENOVATED EVERY ONE

54:18 - OF OUR 47 BRANCH LIBRARIES.

54:20 - IT WAS, AGAIN, A PROJECT

54:21 - THAT WE LAUNCHED WITH

54:23 - THE FOUNDATIONS.

54:24 - THEY PUT UP HALF THE MONEY,

54:25 - AND THE CITY PUT UP HALF

54:27 - THE MONEY.

54:27 - THOSE BRANCH LIBRARIES ARE SO

54:29 - IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY'RE OFTEN

54:31 - REFUGES WHERE KIDS CAN GO AND

54:32 - NOT WORRY ABOUT CRIME, NOT WORRY

54:34 - ABOUT BEING BULLIED.

54:36 - THEY'RE COOL IN THE HOT MONTHS,

54:39 - WARM IN THE COLD MONTHS, AND

54:41 - THEY CAN DO THEIR HOMEWORK THERE

54:43 - EVEN NOW, USE COMPUTERS THERE,

54:46 - SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE

54:48 - NEIGHBORHOOD ANCHORS STILL

54:50 - STAYED INTACT.

54:52 - >> DID YOU ENJOY KIND OF

54:53 - THE CELEBRITY OF BEING MAYOR,

54:54 - WALKING ANYWHERE AND PEOPLE

54:55 - KNEW WHO YOU WERE?

54:56 - >> SURE, I ENJOYED THAT, BUT I

54:59 - ALSO ENJOYED THAT CELEBRITY

55:01 - ALLOWED ME TO DRIVE THE AGENDA.

55:04 - I WOULD BE ON TELEVISION FIVE

55:05 - TIMES A NIGHT -- FIVE TIMES

55:07 - A NIGHT.

55:08 - THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA

55:09 - WOULD BE ON TELEVISION ONCE

55:11 - A WEEK.

55:11 - I'D BE ON FIVE TIMES A NIGHT.

55:13 - SO BY FORCE OF PERSONALITY,

55:15 - I COULD DRIVE THE AGENDA, AND

55:17 - SO I USED THAT SORT OF CELEBRITY

55:20 - FOR GOOD -- WHAT I THOUGHT WERE

55:23 - GOOD SUBSTANTIATIVE CHALLENGES.

55:27 - >> WHAT ABOUT THE JOB DID YOU

55:28 - ABSOLUTELY HATE -- JUST WHEN IT

55:29 - CAME UP, YOU WOULD ROLL YOUR

55:30 - EYES?

55:31 - >> WELL, I LOVED BEING MAYOR.

55:33 - THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT I HATED

55:34 - ABOUT IT.

55:37 - I HATED SNOWSTORMS.

55:39 - OH.

55:40 - HATED -- THEY WERE ALWAYS TOUGH

55:42 - 'CAUSE YOU NEVER CAN DO ENOUGH.

55:45 - THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU

55:47 - LEAVE BY, AND I'LL NEVER FORGET.

55:48 - WE HAD A 33-INCH SNOWFALL IN

55:53 - 1996.

55:56 - IT WAS CALLED THE BLIZZARD

55:58 - OF THE CENTURY, AND WE COULDN'T

55:59 - GET INTO THE SMALL -- WE

56:01 - COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT

56:02 - THE SMALL STREETS BECAUSE

56:05 - NORMALLY WHEN YOU PLOW A SMALL

56:08 - STREET, YOU PUT THE EXCESS SNOW

56:11 - AT THE END OF THE STREET, BUT

56:13 - THERE WAS SO MUCH EXCESS SNOW,

56:15 - THERE WAS NOWHERE TO PUT IT,

56:16 - AND IT WAS A PROBLEM CITYWIDE,

56:18 - AND SO WE HAD A MEETING EARLY

56:21 - IN THE MORNING OF THE FIRST

56:23 - NIGHT OF THE SNOWFALL, AND

56:25 - I SAID, "WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST

56:27 - DUMP IT IN THE RIVER?," AND

56:29 - MY STREETS DEPARTMENT GUY SAID,

56:31 - "WE CAN'T."

56:33 - I SAID, "WHY NOT?"

56:34 - HE SAID, "THE E.P.A. WON'T LET

56:36 - US BECAUSE THE SALT THAT WE LAID

56:38 - DOWN, IT'S MIXED IN WITH THE

56:40 - SNOW, AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR

56:42 - THE WATER."

56:43 - I SAID, "IT CAN HURT

56:44 - THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER?"

56:45 - >> [ CHUCKLES ]

56:45 - >> AT THAT POINT, THE WATER

56:47 - QUALITY OF THE SCHUYLKILL RIVER,

56:48 - YOU'D HAVE TO BE AN ALIEN FROM

56:50 - OUTER SPACE TO SURVIVE, AND

56:52 - I SAID, "LET THE E.P.A. FINE

56:53 - US.

56:54 - DUMP IT IN THE RIVER."

56:55 - AND WE DUMPED IT IN THE RIVER,

56:58 - AND, AS A RESULT, WE DID

57:00 - A FANTASTIC JOB CLEANING

57:01 - THE SNOW, BUT IF YOU'RE A MAYOR

57:04 - IN ANY BIG CITY IN THE COUNTRY,

57:06 - OTHER THAN WARM-WEATHER CITIES,

57:08 - THAT'S THE THING YOU FEAR

57:10 - THE MOST.

57:11 - I REMEMBER, ALSO, JOHN STREET

57:13 - BECAME MAYOR, I THINK, ON

57:15 - JANUARY 2, 2000, AND ON

57:17 - JANUARY 4th -- I WAS THE DNC

57:20 - CHAIRMAN -- I WOKE UP IN

57:21 - PHILADELPHIA.

57:23 - I HAD TO CATCH A TRAIN TO

57:24 - WASHINGTON, BUT I WOKE UP AND

57:26 - I WENT TO THE WINDOW LIKE I

57:28 - ALWAYS DID, AND I SAW THAT

57:30 - IT WAS SNOWING, AND FOR

57:32 - A SECOND, I FELT THAT OLD CHILL

57:35 - GO UP MY SPINE -- YOU KNOW,

57:36 - "OH, HOW ARE WE GONNA DEAL

57:38 - WITH THIS?," AND THEN, WITHIN

57:40 - THREE OR FOUR SECONDS, I

57:41 - REALIZED [Chuckling] "NOT MY

57:43 - JOB."

57:44 - BUT I LOVED BEING MAYOR.

57:45 - MAYOR WAS MORE FUN THAN

57:46 - GOVERNOR, BUT THAT WAS

57:48 - COUNTERBALANCED BY, AS GOVERNOR,

57:51 - YOU'VE GOT THE RESOURCES,

57:53 - THE REVENUE TO DO SOMETHING

57:55 - REALLY LONG-TERM AND SIGNIFICANT

57:58 - ABOUT PROBLEMS LIKE EDUCATION.

58:00 - AS MAYOR, I WAS EXTREMELY

58:02 - FRUSTRATED THAT I COULD DO VERY

58:04 - LITTLE ABOUT EDUCATION --

58:05 - COULDN'T RAISE PROPERTY TAXES.

58:07 - YOU KNOW, ONE TAX WE DID PUT IN

58:09 - AS A LIQUOR BY THE DRINK TAX,

58:11 - WHICH HELPED, BUT COULDN'T DO

58:13 - MUCH.

58:13 - I DID INSIST THAT WE GO TO

58:15 - ALL-DAY KINDERGARTEN, AND THAT'S

58:17 - BEEN A TREMENDOUS HELP TO

58:18 - THE CITY STUDENTS, BUT COULDN'T

58:20 - REALLY DO MUCH.

58:21 - AS GOVERNOR, I WAS ABLE TO

58:22 - INCREASE EDUCATION FUNDING

58:24 - ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IN

58:26 - PENNSYLVANIA BY $4.2 BILLION

58:28 - A YEAR.

58:29 - PHILADELPHIA GOT $600 MILLION

58:31 - OF INCREASED FUNDING ON AN

58:33 - ANNUAL BASIS.

58:34 - SO YOU HAD THE RESOURCES,

58:35 - SO THAT SORT OF MADE UP FOR

58:37 - THE FACT THAT GOVERNOR WASN'T

58:39 - AS MUCH FUN, 'CAUSE AS MAYOR,

58:40 - YOU'RE THE FIRST LINE IN

58:42 - DEFENSE.

58:42 - WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS IN

58:44 - THE CITY, PEOPLE EXPECT THE

58:45 - MAYOR TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT,

58:47 - AND, IN FACT, ONE OF THE

58:48 - PROBLEMS WITH SUCCEEDING AS

58:50 - QUICKLY AS WE DID IS PEOPLE

58:51 - BEGAN TO BELIEVE THAT I COULD

58:53 - FIX ANYTHING, AND I USED TO

58:54 - JOKE, AND IF THERE WAS A REPORT

58:56 - ON TV THAT THERE WAS A METEOR

58:58 - HURTLING FROM OUTER SPACE,

59:00 - AND ITS DESTINATION WAS

59:02 - PHILADELPHIA, AND IT WAS TO HIT

59:04 - PHILADELPHIA AT 8:00 THE NEXT

59:06 - MORNING, PEOPLE WOULD SAY,

59:08 - "NO, NO WORRY.

59:09 - THE MAYOR WILL TAKE CARE OF IT."

59:10 - >> [ CHUCKLES ]

59:11 - >> LIKE I WAS GONNA GET UP THERE

59:13 - AND TURN THE METEOR AWAY.

59:15 - BUT SO YOU LOVE TO BE

59:17 - THE FIRST RESPONDER.

59:18 - IF YOU'RE SOMEONE LIKE ME,

59:19 - IT'S VISCERAL, IT'S FRESH,

59:21 - IT'S RIGHT THERE.

59:22 - AS GOVERNOR, YOU'RE NOT.

59:24 - YOU'RE THE ULTIMATE DECIDER,

59:25 - YOU'RE THE ULTIMATE HELP.

59:27 - BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST RESPONSE.

59:29 - THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHOSE JOB

59:31 - IT IS TO BE THE FIRST RESPONSE,

59:33 - SO GOVERNOR WAS NOT AS MUCH FUN,

59:36 - BUT IN SOME WAYS MORE REWARDING.

59:38 - >> HOW OFTEN WOULD THE PHONE

59:40 - RING, AND YOU'D HAVE TO DROP

59:41 - WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND TAKE CARE

59:42 - OF IT OR WAKE YOU UP IN THE

59:44 - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND YOU'D

59:45 - HAVE TO GO?

59:46 - >> ACTUALLY MORE AS

59:47 - DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

59:48 - AS DISTRICT ATTORNEY, I WOULD

59:49 - ALWAYS GET AWAKENED EVERY TIME

59:51 - THERE WAS A HOMICIDE, BUT I

59:53 - WOULD GET AWAKENED AS MAYOR

59:54 - OFTEN -- YOU KNOW, EARLY IF

59:56 - THERE WAS A SNOWFALL AND

59:57 - THE STREETS COMMISSIONER NEEDED

59:59 - 534 SOME ADVICE OR WANTED TO DO

01:00 - 06.836 SOMETHING -- CLOSING OF THE

01:00 - 09.505 CITY, THE CITY WORKERS STAY HOME

01:00 - 11.608 IF YOU'RE NOT ESSENTIAL.

01:00 - 12.542 WE'D HAVE TO MAKE THOSE

01:00 - 13.743 DECISIONS EARLY IN THE MORNING.

01:00 - 15.445 OBVIOUSLY I WOULD GET CALLED

01:00 - 17.280 EVERY TIME A POLICEMAN WAS SHOT

01:00 - 19.048 AND SERIOUSLY WOUNDED, AND I'D

01:00 - 20.283 GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

01:00 - 22.418 THAT WAS A -- TALK ABOUT A PART

01:00 - 24.654 OF THE JOB THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT,

01:00 - 26.689 THAT WAS EVEN WORSE THAN SNOW

01:00 - 27.690 OR ANYTHING.

01:00 - 29.392 I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY

01:00 - 31.361 FAMILIES I TALKED TO, HOW MANY

01:00 - 33.096 KIDS I TALKED TO, HOW MANY

01:00 - 35.531 WIDOWS I TALKED TO, AND THERE'S

01:00 - 37.834 NOT MUCH YOU CAN SAY TO THEM.

01:00 - 40.236 YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SAY, "LOOK,

01:00 - 42.772 WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN

01:00 - 45.174 TO CATCH THE GUY THAT DID THIS

01:00 - 46.609 TO YOUR FATHER OR TO YOUR

01:00 - 47.877 HUSBAND" OR WHATEVER.

01:00 - 49.746 IT'S JUST DEBILITATING.

01:00 - 51.648 THAT WAS A TOUGH PART OF

01:00 - 53.916 THE JOB, AND THAT WOKE YOU UP

01:00 - 56.152 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT --

01:00 - 58.121 YOU KNOW, WATER MAIN BREAKS --

01:00 - 00.123 ANYTHING THAT -- YOU KNOW, JUST

01:01 - 02.225 LIKE THE PRESIDENT GETS AWAKENED

01:01 - 04.027 WHEN STUFF HAPPENS ANYWHERE

01:01 - 05.194 IN THE COUNTRY.

01:01 - 06.696 >> WHAT ABOUT THE CEREMONIAL

01:01 - 07.630 PART OF THE JOB?

01:01 - 09.065 THERE WAS A TIME YOU JUDGED

01:01 - 10.533 POTBELLIED PIGS AND YOU HAD

01:01 - 11.801 YOUR PICTURE TAKEN WITH

01:01 - 12.602 MICKEY MOUSE.

01:01 - 14.570 >> I DID THE CEREMONIAL STUFF

01:01 - 18.908 WHEN I COULD BECAUSE I WANTED

01:01 - 20.710 TO CREATE -- IN ADDITION TO

01:01 - 22.478 CREATE THE PERCEPTION THAT

01:01 - 24.147 WE CARED ABOUT EVERYBODY,

01:01 - 25.682 I WANTED TO CREATE THE

01:01 - 27.750 PERCEPTION THAT CITIES WERE FUN,

01:01 - 30.953 FUN PLACES, SO I WANTED TO MAKE

01:01 - 33.456 THINGS FUN.

01:01 - 35.124 FIRST MONTH IN OFFICE, I GOT

01:01 - 36.459 THE RESTAURANTS TO DO

01:01 - 37.760 WEDNESDAY NIGHT OUT.

01:01 - 40.029 THEY WOULD CUT PRICES OR HAVE

01:01 - 42.365 SPECIALS ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT --

01:01 - 44.200 TWO FOR ONE, YOU KNOW,

01:01 - 46.602 APPETIZERS FREE, DESSERTS FREE.

01:01 - 48.738 WE WOULD HAVE ENTERTAINMENT

01:01 - 49.906 IN THE STREETS.

01:01 - 52.008 WE WANTED CITY LIFE TO BE FUN

01:01 - 54.077 AGAIN, AND SO I WOULD TRY TO

01:01 - 56.245 HAVE FUN.

01:01 - 57.513 I REMEMBER ONCE

01:01 - 59.582 KATHLEEN SULLIVAN, OUR CITY

01:01 - 01.884 REPRESENTATIVE -- SHE WAS AFTER

01:02 - 05.154 ME TO POSE WITH MICKEY MOUSE,

01:02 - 07.290 AND WILSON GOODE, TWO YEARS

01:02 - 09.692 BEFORE, HAD SOMEHOW LET HIMSELF

01:02 - 11.360 BE PHOTOGRAPHED WITH

01:02 - 13.629 A MICKEY MOUSE HAT ON, AND IT

01:02 - 15.565 WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF

01:02 - 17.200 THE DAILY NE AND I REMEMBERED

01:02 - 18.768 THAT, AND I WAS STEADFAST THAT

01:02 - 20.236 I WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE NEAR

01:02 - 20.837 THE MOUSE.

01:02 - 21.671 >> [ CHUCKLES ]

01:02 - 23.439 >> BUT KATHLEEN WAS RELENTLESS,

01:02 - 24.941 AND SHE KEPT SAYING TO ME,

01:02 - 26.442 "LOOK, DISNEY'S GIVING US

01:02 - 28.044 CHARACTERS FOR THE CHRISTMAS

01:02 - 28.678 PARADE."

01:02 - 30.213 WE HAD A CHRISTMAS PARADE I

01:02 - 31.214 STARTED IN TOWN.

01:02 - 33.015 WE DECKED CITY HALL UP WITH

01:02 - 34.283 INCREDIBLE LIGHTS.

01:02 - 35.818 WE PUT THESE SNOWFLAKES ALL OVER

01:02 - 37.220 THE PARKWAY AND BROAD STREET

01:02 - 38.621 'CAUSE WE WANTED PEOPLE TO --

01:02 - 40.156 I WANTED KIDS TO SEE IT ON TV

01:02 - 41.758 AND SAY TO THEIR MOMS, "I WANT

01:02 - 43.059 TO GO DOWN AND SEE THOSE

01:02 - 43.793 SNOWFLAKES.

01:02 - 45.094 I WANT TO SEE THAT GIANT

01:02 - 45.695 SNOWMAN.

01:02 - 47.530 I WANT TO GO TO THE CHRISTMAS

01:02 - 49.265 PARADE ON MARKET STREET" --

01:02 - 50.767 ALL THAT STUFF.

01:02 - 52.201 SO SHE KEPT SAYING THAT DISNEY'S

01:02 - 53.503 GIVING US FREE CHARACTERS FOR

01:02 - 54.904 THE PARADE, THEY'RE DOING THIS,

01:02 - 55.505 DOING THAT.

01:02 - 57.206 KATHLEEN WAS SO PERSISTENT THAT

01:02 - 58.574 FINALLY I SAID TO HER --

01:02 - 00.109 AND THIS WAS IN BUZZ'S BOOK.

01:03 - 02.345 I SAID, "ALL RIGHT, KATHLEEN.

01:03 - 04.380 I'LL DO THE BLANKETY-BLANK

01:03 - 06.282 MOUSE," AND SO I POSED WITH

01:03 - 08.284 THE MOUSE, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT

01:03 - 10.186 ANY EARS ON, BUT I DID POSE

01:03 - 11.387 WITH THE MOUSE.

01:03 - 13.222 >> YOU MENTIONED BUZZ BISSINGER

01:03 - 14.991 A COUPLE TIMES, AND BEHIND YOU

01:03 - 16.659 ON THE WALL THERE IS A COVER

01:03 - 17.960 OF "A PRAYER FOR THE CITY"

01:03 - 18.928 BY BUZZ BISSINGER.

01:03 - 20.329 CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT BOOK,

01:03 - 22.932 HOW IT CAME ABOUT?

01:03 - 24.433 >> BUZZ BISSINGER WAS AN

01:03 - 26.068 INQUIRER REPORTER WHO HAD

01:03 - 27.670 COVERED THE '87 MAYORAL

01:03 - 28.805 CAMPAIGN.

01:03 - 30.439 HE WAS A POLITICAL REPORTER

01:03 - 32.141 AT THE TIME, AND I FOUND HIM

01:03 - 33.976 TO BE VERY FAIR.

01:03 - 35.745 SO HE CAME TO DAVID COHEN, AND

01:03 - 37.446 THEN DAVID BROUGHT HIM TO ME

01:03 - 39.115 WITH A PROPOSAL AFTER WE WON

01:03 - 40.817 THAT HE WANTED TO SPEND THE

01:03 - 44.220 FIRST TWO OR THREE YEARS I WAS

01:03 - 47.089 MAYOR WITH ME, ATTENDING MOST

01:03 - 49.525 OF THE MEETINGS I ATTENDED,

01:03 - 52.295 AND HE WOULDN'T REPORT ANYTHING

01:03 - 55.031 CONTEMPORANEOUSLY, BUT HE WANTED

01:03 - 56.999 TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT WHETHER

01:03 - 58.935 YOU COULD TURN A CHALLENGED,

01:03 - 02.271 TROUBLED AMERICAN CITY AROUND,

01:04 - 03.906 AND I THOUGHT -- OUT OF RESPECT

01:04 - 05.308 FOR HIM, I THOUGHT THAT HE

01:04 - 06.576 REALLY WAS GONNA DO IT,

01:04 - 08.010 THAT HE WASN'T GONNA WRITE

01:04 - 09.178 A KISS-AND-TELL BOOK,

01:04 - 11.013 SO I LET HIM, AND IF PEOPLE

01:04 - 12.949 ASKED, WE WOULD TELL THEM WHO

01:04 - 14.884 BUZZ WAS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE

01:04 - 16.719 JUST ASSUMED HE WAS ANOTHER

01:04 - 18.187 MEMBER OF THE STAFF.

01:04 - 20.056 SO BUZZ WENT VIRTUALLY TO EVERY

01:04 - 20.723 MEETING.

01:04 - 22.592 JOHN STREET WOULDN'T LET HIM GO

01:04 - 24.227 IN OUR MEETINGS, BUT OTHER

01:04 - 25.895 THAN THAT, HE WENT TO EVERY

01:04 - 27.597 MEETING WE HAD FOR THE FIRST

01:04 - 29.899 THREE YEARS THAT I WAS MAYOR,

01:04 - 31.968 AND HE DID MUCH TO WHAT HE

01:04 - 32.735 PROMISED ME.

01:04 - 34.270 HE WROTE A VERY SERIOUS BOOK

01:04 - 35.705 ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES AND

01:04 - 37.306 THE CHALLENGES FACING AMERICAN

01:04 - 39.308 CITIES AND TRYING TO TURN THEM

01:04 - 41.210 AROUND, AND I WAS A COLORFUL

01:04 - 42.912 CHARACTER AND SOMEWHAT OF

01:04 - 43.613 A HERO.

01:04 - 45.615 DAVID COHEN WAS THE REAL HERO,

01:04 - 47.683 BUT BUZZ WROTE A VERY GOOD BOOK

01:04 - 49.585 TALKING ABOUT HOW CITIES GOT

01:04 - 51.487 INTO THE SHAPE THEY WERE IN,

01:04 - 53.623 THE EFFORTS TO TURN THEM AROUND.

01:04 - 55.591 IT WAS DRAMATIC, IT WAS

01:04 - 57.627 POIGNANT, IT HAD PATHOS,

01:04 - 00.630 IT WAS A VERY GOOD BOOK,

01:05 - 02.632 BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THEY ASKED

01:05 - 04.433 MAYOR DALEY OUT IN CHICAGO

01:05 - 06.269 IF HE HAD READ IT, AND THEY

01:05 - 07.937 EXPLAINED TO MAYOR DALEY

01:05 - 09.605 THAT I LET THIS REPORTER

01:05 - 11.407 FOLLOW ME FOR THREE YEARS.

01:05 - 13.175 MAYOR DALEY SAID, "HE DID

01:05 - 15.177 WHAT?," [Chuckling] YOU KNOW.

01:05 - 17.013 NO ONE COULD BELIEVE I LET

01:05 - 18.948 THE REPORTER HAVE ACCESS FOR

01:05 - 20.716 ALL THAT TIME, BUT IT WAS

01:05 - 21.784 A GREAT BOOK.

01:05 - 24.120 IT WAS A GREAT BOOK, AND IT MADE

01:05 - 26.422 SOME INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT POINTS

01:05 - 28.758 ABOUT HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

01:05 - 30.960 HAD ALLOWED CITIES TO GET INTO

01:05 - 33.262 THE SHAPE THEY WERE IN THE EARLY

01:05 - 35.531 '90s AND HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO

01:05 - 36.933 TRY AND TURN THEM AROUND.

01:05 - 38.367 >> DO YOU EVER HAVE ANY REGRETS

01:05 - 39.869 HAVING LET HIM HAVE THAT KIND OF

01:05 - 40.336 ACCESS?

01:05 - 41.003 >> NAH.

01:05 - 42.805 I SAID THAT I WAS HAPPY WHEN

01:05 - 44.807 THE BOOK CAME OUT THAT MY MOTHER

01:05 - 46.509 HAD PASSED AWAY -- SHE HAD

01:05 - 48.411 PASSED AWAY THE YEAR BEFORE --

01:05 - 50.046 BECAUSE BUZZ COVERED ABOUT

01:05 - 51.380 A THOUSAND MEETINGS.

01:05 - 52.982 HE ONLY HAD FOUR MEETINGS

01:05 - 54.550 BLOW-BY-BLOW IN THE BOOK,

01:05 - 56.252 AND THEY WERE THE FOUR MOST

01:05 - 58.220 CONTENTIOUS MEETINGS, OBVIOUSLY,

01:05 - 00.122 AND IN THOSE MEETINGS, I CURSED

01:06 - 02.024 A LOT, AND I AM NOT A PERSON

01:06 - 03.259 WHO CURSES A LOT.

01:06 - 05.161 I CURSE ON OCCASION, BUT NOT

01:06 - 06.629 A LOT, AND IT MADE ME SOUND

01:06 - 08.097 LIKE I WAS THE MOST PROFANE

01:06 - 09.231 PERSON IN THE WORLD.

01:06 - 11.267 MY MOTHER WOULD HAVE HATED IT,

01:06 - 13.269 BUT OTHER THAN THAT, HE WROTE

01:06 - 15.304 A VERY GOOD AND ACCURATE BOOK.

01:06 - 16.739 >> DOES IT STILL HOLD UP TODAY?

01:06 - 17.940 IS IT STILL RELEVANT NOW?

01:06 - 18.607 >> OH, YEAH.

01:06 - 20.543 I THINK SOME OF THE WAYS THAT

01:06 - 22.545 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CREATED

01:06 - 24.280 THE PROBLEMS FOR AMERICAN

01:06 - 26.315 CITIES, SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN

01:06 - 28.150 RECTIFIED, BUT SOME OF THEM

01:06 - 31.721 HAVEN'T, AND I THINK IF I WERE

01:06 - 34.690 ELECTED MAYOR OF A LARGE

01:06 - 36.592 AMERICAN CITY TODAY, I WOULD

01:06 - 38.227 READ BUZZ'S BOOK.

01:06 - 39.328 >> WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP

01:06 - 40.429 DID YOU HAVE WITH WASHINGTON,

01:06 - 41.364 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

01:06 - 42.198 >> PRETTY GOOD.

01:06 - 43.532 I GOT ALONG WELL WITH

01:06 - 45.101 PRESIDENT BUSH, THE FIRST

01:06 - 47.436 PRESIDENT BUSH, BUT HE WAS

01:06 - 51.540 ONLY THERE FOR -- LET'S SEE.

01:06 - 53.843 THE ELECTION WAS '92.

01:06 - 55.344 MY FIRST YEAR AS MAYOR WAS

01:06 - 56.812 THE ELECTION WHERE HE RAN

01:06 - 58.280 AGAINST GOVERNOR CLINTON.

01:06 - 59.849 I SUPPORTED GOVERNOR CLINTON

01:06 - 01.384 IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES,

01:07 - 03.119 BECAME CLOSE TO HIM, AND THEN HE

01:07 - 04.487 BECAME PRESIDENT AND WAS

01:07 - 06.055 PRESIDENT FOR THE REST OF MY

01:07 - 07.456 TIME AS MAYOR, AND WE HAD

01:07 - 08.691 A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

01:07 - 10.226 I GOT A LOT OF STUFF FROM

01:07 - 11.894 WASHINGTON FROM THE CLINTON

01:07 - 12.928 ADMINISTRATION.

01:07 - 14.964 WE ALSO HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP

01:07 - 16.932 WITH SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN,

01:07 - 18.901 AND I REACHED ACROSS THE AISLE

01:07 - 20.536 AND HAD GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH

01:07 - 21.303 REPUBLICANS.

01:07 - 22.805 BUD SHUSTER, WHO WAS THE

01:07 - 24.473 REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM

01:07 - 26.042 ALTOONA, WHO WAS CHAIRMAN

01:07 - 27.376 OF TRANSPORTATION, WAS

01:07 - 28.277 A REPUBLICAN.

01:07 - 30.613 I HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH

01:07 - 33.115 BUD SHUSTER.

01:07 - 36.619 WE LEARNED HOW TO -- YOU KNOW,

01:07 - 40.022 HOW TO MAKE THAT SYSTEM WORK,

01:07 - 42.858 YOU KNOW, AND WE GOT --

01:07 - 44.794 I REMEMBER FRANK LAUTENBERG,

01:07 - 46.462 WHO WAS A WONDERFUL MAN,

01:07 - 48.297 I THINK A TRULY GREAT MAN.

01:07 - 49.865 >> NEW JERSEY SENATOR?

01:07 - 51.700 >> WAS A NEW JERSEY SENATOR,

01:07 - 53.569 AND I HAD -- MY FIRST COUPLE

01:07 - 55.571 OF YEARS AS MAYOR, I HAD CALLED

01:07 - 57.039 SENATOR LAUTENBERG --

01:07 - 58.541 HE WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF

01:07 - 00.342 TRANSPORTATION -- TO GET AN

01:08 - 02.011 EARMARK, THE EARMARK THAT

01:08 - 03.546 WE WANTED MOST FOR OUR

01:08 - 05.114 TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN

01:08 - 06.682 THE CITY, AND HE ALWAYS

01:08 - 07.683 CAME THROUGH.

01:08 - 09.118 SO THEN THE FOURTH YEAR I WAS

01:08 - 10.453 MAYOR, HE CALLED ME, AND HE

01:08 - 11.587 SAID, "I'M RUNNING FOR

01:08 - 12.321 RE-ELECTION.

01:08 - 13.222 I NEED YOUR HELP.

01:08 - 14.790 I WANT YOU TO WRITE ME A CHECK."

01:08 - 16.659 AND I SAID, "SENATOR, I'D LOVE

01:08 - 17.760 TO, BUT I CAN'T.

01:08 - 19.528 MY PAC IS NOT A FEDERAL PAC,

01:08 - 21.363 IT'S A STATE PAC."

01:08 - 23.499 SO HE SAID, "YOU CAN WRITE

01:08 - 25.568 A CHECK TO THE NEW JERSEY

01:08 - 27.136 DEMOCRATIC PARTY."

01:08 - 28.304 I COULDN'T WRITE A CHECK

01:08 - 29.572 TO A SENATORIAL CANDIDATE,

01:08 - 30.806 BUT I COULD WRITE A CHECK

01:08 - 32.174 TO THE NEW JERSEY DEMOCRATIC

01:08 - 32.608 PARTY.

01:08 - 34.677 HE TOLD ME I SHOULD WRITE

01:08 - 36.545 THE CHECK FOR $25,000.

01:08 - 37.780 SO I LEARNED ABOUT HOW

01:08 - 39.281 THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WORKED,

01:08 - 40.916 BUT I WAS HAPPY TO DO IT 'CAUSE

01:08 - 42.518 HE WAS A GREAT SENATOR, AND HE

01:08 - 43.919 WAS GREAT TO THE CITY, AND

01:08 - 45.621 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

01:08 - 47.690 I WANTED HIM TO CONTINUE TO STAY

01:08 - 49.592 IN THE SENATE AND BE CHAIRMAN

01:08 - 51.427 OF TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE HE

01:08 - 53.262 WAS GREAT TO THE CITY AND HE

01:08 - 55.264 UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF KEEPING

01:08 - 56.832 A STRONG TRANSPORTATION

01:08 - 58.167 INFRASTRUCTURE.

01:08 - 59.335 >> DID YOU EVER, AT ANY POINT,

01:08 - 00.369 THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE

01:09 - 00.870 A SENATOR?

01:09 - 01.437 >> NO.

01:09 - 03.272 IN FACT, IN BUZZ'S BOOK, THERE'S

01:09 - 05.141 A GREAT -- BUZZ RECOUNTS A GREAT

01:09 - 06.408 DAY.

01:09 - 08.043 WE HAD GONE DOWN TO TESTIFY

01:09 - 09.545 BEFORE THE SENATE FINANCE

01:09 - 11.280 COMMITTEE, WHOSE CHAIRMAN WAS

01:09 - 12.982 LLOYD BENTSEN, WHO HAD RUN

01:09 - 14.550 FOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH

01:09 - 15.918 MICHAEL DUKAKIS, AND

01:09 - 18.220 LLOYD BENTSEN WAS A FINE, FINE

01:09 - 20.523 MAN, AND I WAS THERE ON BEHALF

01:09 - 22.491 OF THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF

01:09 - 24.660 MAYORS, AND WE HAD ASKED FOR

01:09 - 27.363 A $5-BILLION BAILOUT PACKAGE

01:09 - 29.498 FOR AMERICA'S CITIES.

01:09 - 31.567 ALL CITIES, EVERY CITY WAS

01:09 - 33.869 HAVING TROUBLE TO SOME DEGREE.

01:09 - 35.371 PHILADELPHIA WAS THE WORST

01:09 - 37.173 IN THE '90s, BUT EVERY CITY WAS.

01:09 - 38.674 SO THE MAYORS PUT TOGETHER

01:09 - 40.075 A RESOLUTION ASKING FOR

01:09 - 41.610 A $5-BILLION FINANCIAL-AID

01:09 - 42.578 PACKAGE.

01:09 - 43.979 SO I TESTIFIED BEFORE

01:09 - 45.781 SENATOR BENTSEN'S COMMITTEE,

01:09 - 47.416 AND SENATOR BENTSEN SAID,

01:09 - 49.051 YOU KNOW, "MAYOR RENDELL,

01:09 - 50.753 YOU MADE A VERY PERSUASIVE

01:09 - 52.721 PRESENTATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE

01:09 - 54.557 $5 BILLION."

01:09 - 57.259 I SAID, "IN ALL DUE RESPECT,

01:09 - 59.461 SENATOR, AM I CORRECT?

01:09 - 01.764 DIDN'T YOU JUST GIVE $5 BILLION

01:10 - 03.766 TO RUSSIA TO HELP BAIL OUT

01:10 - 05.701 A FINANCIAL CRISIS RUSSIA

01:10 - 06.735 WAS HAVING?

01:10 - 08.771 YOU CAN SURELY DO THE SAME FOR

01:10 - 10.072 AMERICAN CITIES."

01:10 - 11.941 THAT DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE, AND IT

01:10 - 13.576 WAS VERY FRUSTRATING, AND I

01:10 - 15.177 LEFT, AND BUZZ AND I ARE ON

01:10 - 16.612 THE TRAIN GOING BACK TO

01:10 - 18.981 PHILADELPHIA, AND HE SAID TO ME,

01:10 - 20.983 "WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO BE

01:10 - 23.152 A U.S. SENATOR?," AND I SAID,

01:10 - 25.454 "NO, THEY DON'T DO BLANK, BLANK,

01:10 - 27.323 BLANK," WHICH BUZZ PUT IN

01:10 - 29.291 THE BOOK WITHOUT THE BLANK,

01:10 - 30.426 BLANK, BLANK.

01:10 - 31.794 FORTUNATELY, NONE OF THE

01:10 - 33.262 SENATORS READ THE BOOK, SO

01:10 - 34.964 I MAINTAINED GOOD RELATIONSHIPS

01:10 - 36.432 WITH THE SENATORS.

01:10 - 37.967 >> THERE WAS A TIME YOU PLAYED

01:10 - 39.068 NERF BASKETBALL WITH

01:10 - 40.402 PRESIDENT CLINTON IN YOUR

01:10 - 40.936 OFFICE?

01:10 - 41.670 >> OH, YEAH.

01:10 - 43.072 PRESIDENT CLINTON AND I WERE

01:10 - 44.540 GONNA HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE

01:10 - 46.041 IN THE MAYOR'S RECEPTION ROOM.

01:10 - 47.109 IT WASN'T MY OFFICE.

01:10 - 48.577 DAVID COHEN'S OFFICE WAS RIGHT

01:10 - 50.012 NEXT TO THE MAYOR'S RECEPTION

01:10 - 50.446 ROOM.

01:10 - 52.414 DAVID HAD A BASKET UP AGAINST

01:10 - 54.250 THE WALL, AND HE HAD A NERF

01:10 - 55.985 BASKETBALL, AND WE PLAYED

01:10 - 57.886 BASKETBALL -- DAVID, MYSELF,

01:10 - 59.788 PRESIDENT CLINTON, AND A MAN

01:10 - 01.690 BY THE NAME OF LEW KATZ, WHO

01:11 - 03.759 WAS A FRIEND OF MINE AND A GOOD

01:11 - 05.761 FUNDRAISER FOR ME -- WE PLAYED

01:11 - 07.763 NERF BASKETBALL, AND ACTUALLY,

01:11 - 09.498 THEN IN THE '92 CAMPAIGN,

01:11 - 11.400 PRESIDENT CLINTON AND I WERE

01:11 - 13.135 CAMPAIGNING IN FAIRMOUNT,

01:11 - 15.204 AND WE CAME ACROSS A REC CENTER

01:11 - 17.106 WITH OUTDOOR BASKETS, AND WE

01:11 - 19.108 SHOT BASKETS WITH TWO OR THREE

01:11 - 21.210 YOUNG HISPANIC TEENAGERS, SO HE

01:11 - 23.078 WAS A PRETTY GOOD BASKETBALL

01:11 - 25.047 PLAYER -- I MEAN, NOT AS GOOD

01:11 - 27.182 AS PRESIDENT OBAMA, BUT HE COULD

01:11 - 27.816 SHOOT.

01:11 - 29.285 HE COULD SHOOT.

01:11 - 31.587 >> WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT

01:11 - 32.988 DAVID COHEN?

01:11 - 34.890 >> DAVID -- A REMARKABLE

01:11 - 36.859 HUMAN BEING, A REMARKABLE

01:11 - 39.028 HUMAN BEING.

01:11 - 41.196 IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW DAVID WELL,

01:11 - 43.499 JUST SAW HIM OPERATE, YOU'D SAY,

01:11 - 44.300 "MY GOD.

01:11 - 46.168 THIS GUY IS AN INCREDIBLY

01:11 - 48.170 COMPETENT AUTOMATON WHO HAS

01:11 - 50.339 NO FEELINGS."

01:11 - 52.274 THAT WOULD BE ENTIRELY WRONG,

01:11 - 54.143 BUT DAVID OPERATED WITH SUCH

01:11 - 55.844 DISCIPLINE AND SUCH DRIVE

01:11 - 57.780 AND SUCH FOCUS THAT YOU COULD

01:11 - 59.415 ALMOST THINK HE WAS LIKE

01:11 - 01.417 A ROBOT AND THAT HE DIDN'T

01:12 - 03.319 HAVE ANY FEELINGS, BUT HE

01:12 - 05.187 BELIEVED IN THE MISSION.

01:12 - 07.089 YOU KNOW, I WAS ABLE TO PERSUADE

01:12 - 09.024 HIM ABOUT THE MISSION WAY BEFORE

01:12 - 10.359 THE CAMPAIGN STARTED.

01:12 - 12.361 HE BELIEVED IN THE MISSION.

01:12 - 14.063 HE HAD BEEN WITH ME IN

01:12 - 16.065 THE LOSING CAMPAIGN IN '87.

01:12 - 17.466 IN FACT, ARTHUR MAKADON,

01:12 - 19.168 THE GREAT LAWYER, WHO WAS HEAD

01:12 - 20.736 OF THE BALLARD FIRM, WHO HAD

01:12 - 22.338 JUST PASSED AWAY, HAD PUT US

01:12 - 23.839 TOGETHER, INTRODUCED ME TO

01:12 - 25.474 DAVID, AND HE WAS MY CAMPAIGN

01:12 - 27.876 MANAGER IN THE '92 CAMPAIGN --

01:12 - 30.212 IN THE '91 CAMPAIGN, AND THEN

01:12 - 32.348 CAME IN AS CHIEF OF STAFF.

01:12 - 34.249 DAVID, AS I SAID -- INCREDIBLY

01:12 - 36.251 DISCIPLINED, INCREDIBLY FOCUSED.

01:12 - 37.753 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY

01:12 - 39.321 MULTITASK AS EFFECTIVELY

01:12 - 40.055 AS DAVID.

01:12 - 41.657 DAVID COULD BE DOING SIX MAJOR

01:12 - 43.258 THINGS AT ONE TIME, AND YOU'D

01:12 - 44.693 GIVE HIM A SEVENTH, AND HE

01:12 - 46.195 WOULDN'T BLINK, AND HE WOULD

01:12 - 47.730 MAKE PROGRESS ON ALL OF THEM

01:12 - 49.398 AND GET THINGS DONE.

01:12 - 51.100 HE HAD AN AMAZING CAPACITY

01:12 - 52.634 FOR COMPARTMENTALIZING,

01:12 - 53.736 FOR ORGANIZING.

01:12 - 55.204 HE NEVER FORGOT ANYTHING.

01:12 - 56.805 IF YOU GAVE DAVID 11 THINGS

01:12 - 58.507 TO DO, HE WOULD GET 10 OF THEM

01:12 - 00.342 DONE SPEEDILY AND THEN COME BACK

01:13 - 02.111 TO YOU ON THE 11th AND TELL YOU

01:13 - 03.879 WHY IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET IT

01:13 - 05.614 DONE AND THAT WE HAD TO CHANGE

01:13 - 07.216 COURSE, SO HE WAS A PERFECT

01:13 - 08.217 CHIEF OF STAFF.

01:13 - 10.185 HE WAS A PERFECT CHIEF OF STAFF.

01:13 - 11.720 IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE

01:13 - 13.989 DOC BLANCHARD AND GLENN DAVIS,

01:13 - 16.091 MR. INSIDE AND MR. OUTSIDE.

01:13 - 17.860 DAVID WAS THE INSIDE GUY WHO

01:13 - 19.661 IMPLEMENTED ALL THE PLANS AND

01:13 - 21.497 RODE HERD TO MAKE SURE THINGS

01:13 - 22.731 GOT DONE.

01:13 - 24.767 DAVID AND I SET POLICY TOGETHER,

01:13 - 26.568 BUT HE WAS THE IMPLEMENTER,

01:13 - 28.604 AND I WAS ON THE OUTSIDE SELLING

01:13 - 30.372 OUR PROGRAMS TO THE PUBLIC,

01:13 - 31.940 TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO

01:13 - 33.642 HARRISBURG, TO WASHINGTON.

01:13 - 35.577 SO WE WERE AN UNBELIEVABLE TEAM,

01:13 - 37.312 AND I WAS WORRIED WHEN DAVID

01:13 - 39.014 CAME TO ME IN MY FIFTH YEAR

01:13 - 40.849 AS MAYOR AND SAID HE WAS GONNA

01:13 - 41.417 LEAVE.

01:13 - 43.318 HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK

01:13 - 44.987 TO HIS LAW FIRM AS CHAIRMAN

01:13 - 46.789 OF THE FIRM, AND I UNDERSTOOD,

01:13 - 49.124 OF COURSE, AND IT TURNED OUT

01:13 - 51.627 DAVID AND I HAD RECRUITED SUCH

01:13 - 54.229 A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SERVE

01:13 - 56.498 AS COMMISSIONERS AND DEPUTY

01:13 - 58.634 CHIEFS OF STAFF, MANAGING

01:13 - 00.803 DIRECTOR, OR WHATEVER, WE WERE

01:14 - 02.738 READY, AND I KID DAVID THAT

01:14 - 04.673 AFTER HE LEFT, THE ECONOMY

01:14 - 06.875 STARTED -- WE HAD HELD OUR OWN

01:14 - 08.744 AND HAD STOPPED THE LOSS OF JOBS

01:14 - 10.412 IN YEAR FOUR AND FIVE, BUT IT

01:14 - 12.281 WASN'T TILL YEAR SIX, SEVEN, AND

01:14 - 13.982 EIGHT THAT WE STARTED TO GAIN

01:14 - 14.950 JOBS.

01:14 - 16.452 SO I KID DAVID SAYING, "THE

01:14 - 17.953 ECONOMY DIDN'T PICK UP TILL

01:14 - 18.654 YOU LEFT."

01:14 - 19.588 >> [ CHUCKLES ]

01:14 - 21.089 WERE THERE TIMES YOU DISAGREED

01:14 - 22.157 WITH HIM ON THINGS?

01:14 - 23.659 AND HOW DID YOU WORK THAT OUT?

01:14 - 25.260 >> DAVID WAS EXCELLENT AT

01:14 - 26.862 UNDERSTANDING WHO WAS THE

01:14 - 28.464 ELECTED MAYOR OF THE CITY

01:14 - 30.098 OF PHILADELPHIA, AND IF WE

01:14 - 31.767 DISAGREED, HE WOULD TRY TO

01:14 - 33.569 PERSUADE ME THAT HE WAS RIGHT

01:14 - 35.237 AND I WAS WRONG, AND OFTEN

01:14 - 36.405 HE WOULD.

01:14 - 38.106 OFTEN AFTER LISTENING TO HIM,

01:14 - 39.475 I'D SAY, "YOU'RE RIGHT.

01:14 - 41.276 DO IT YOUR WAY OR DO IT THE WAY

01:14 - 42.177 YOU SUGGEST."

01:14 - 44.346 BUT IF I DUG MY HEELS IN AND

01:14 - 46.348 SAID, "NO, I THINK THIS IS

01:14 - 48.584 SOMETHING WE'RE --," HE WOULD

01:14 - 50.986 MAYBE BITE HIS LIP, BUT I DIDN'T

01:14 - 52.688 SEE HIM BITE HIS LIP.

01:14 - 54.122 MAYBE HE DID, BUT HE WOULD

01:14 - 55.791 IMPLEMENT WHAT I SAID, AND DAVID

01:14 - 57.326 UNDERSTOOD THERE WERE TIMES,

01:14 - 58.794 THERE WERE -- FIRST OF ALL,

01:14 - 00.295 I UNDERSTOOD POLITICS BETTER

01:15 - 01.029 THAN DAVID.

01:15 - 01.897 I HAD TO.

01:15 - 03.966 I HAD BEEN IN IT FOR, BY THAT

01:15 - 05.901 TIME, ABOUT 15 TO 18 YEARS.

01:15 - 07.970 I HAD BETTER POLITICAL INSTINCTS

01:15 - 08.904 THAN HE DID.

01:15 - 10.639 I KNEW WHAT WAS ACHIEVABLE

01:15 - 12.641 POLITICALLY BETTER THAN HE DID.

01:15 - 14.176 I ALSO HAD THE ADVANTAGE

01:15 - 15.744 OF BEING ON THE OUTSIDE.

01:15 - 17.412 DAVID WORKED SO HARD IN THE

01:15 - 19.214 INSIDE THAT HE RARELY GOT OUT.

01:15 - 21.650 SO I COULD TELL WHAT PEOPLE WERE

01:15 - 23.886 FEELING AND HOW THEY'D ACCEPT

01:15 - 25.921 OR NOT ACCEPT A PROGRAM OR

01:15 - 28.190 A CHANGE BETTER THAN HE COULD,

01:15 - 30.425 AND HE APPRECIATED THAT, THAT

01:15 - 32.728 I HAD GREATER INSIGHTS BECAUSE

01:15 - 35.030 I WAS OUT MORE ON THE STREETS.

01:15 - 36.398 >> HOW'D YOU GET ALONG WITH

01:15 - 37.399 THE MEDIA IN TOWN?

01:15 - 38.834 >> WELL, IT'S FUNNY.

01:15 - 40.669 YOU KNOW, ALL MY TIME AS AN

01:15 - 42.771 ELECTED OFFICIAL -- D.A., MAYOR,

01:15 - 44.840 AND GOVERNOR -- I'VE HAD A GOOD

01:15 - 46.842 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MEDIA --

01:15 - 48.443 NOT WITHOUT CONTENTION.

01:15 - 50.512 GOOD RELATIONSHIP IN THE SENSE

01:15 - 52.447 THAT I WAS ALWAYS AVAILABLE,

01:15 - 54.583 AND YOU KNOW THAT FROM COVERING

01:15 - 55.751 ME AS GOVERNOR.

01:15 - 57.019 I WAS ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

01:15 - 58.487 IN FACT, SOMETIMES THE MEDIA

01:15 - 00.055 WOULD JOKE THAT I HAD TOO MANY

01:16 - 01.557 PRESS CONFERENCES, BUT I WAS

01:16 - 02.724 ALWAYS AVAILABLE WITH

01:16 - 04.192 INITIATIVES THAT I WANTED TO

01:16 - 05.594 TALK ABOUT, BUT I ALSO WAS

01:16 - 06.995 ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER

01:16 - 08.463 QUESTIONS THAT THE MEDIA HAD

01:16 - 09.231 ON ITS MIND.

01:16 - 10.699 I NEVER DUCKED QUESTIONS.

01:16 - 12.467 I ALWAYS GAVE STRAIGHT ANSWERS,

01:16 - 13.669 WHAT I BELIEVED IN.

01:16 - 15.037 IT WASN'T ALWAYS RIGHT.

01:16 - 16.471 BUT IT WAS A CONTENTIOUS

01:16 - 17.940 RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE IF I

01:16 - 19.708 THOUGHT THAT THE MEDIA WAS LAZY

01:16 - 21.343 AND MISSED SOMETHING BECAUSE

01:16 - 22.978 THEY WERE LAZY, OR THAT THEY

01:16 - 24.746 DIDN'T USE FACTS TO CUT AGAINST

01:16 - 26.348 THEIR STORY LINE, THAT WOULD

01:16 - 27.349 DRIVE ME CRAZY.

01:16 - 30.552 STORY LINE IS, "THIS IS GONNA

01:16 - 32.688 HURT POOR PEOPLE."

01:16 - 34.456 WELL, I WOULD GIVE THEM FIVE

01:16 - 36.224 EXAMPLES OF WHY IT WAS GONNA

01:16 - 37.993 HELP POOR FAMILIES, AND THEY

01:16 - 39.795 WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE STORY.

01:16 - 41.763 WELL, I WOULD CALL THEM AND YELL

01:16 - 42.464 AT THEM.

01:16 - 44.866 I WOULD, ON OCCASION, EVEN CALL

01:16 - 47.069 THEIR EDITORS, YOU KNOW, AND

01:16 - 49.471 THAT GETS THE MEDIA UP IN ARMS.

01:16 - 50.939 SO ALTHOUGH WE HAD A GREAT

01:16 - 52.574 RELATIONSHIP IN THE FACT THAT

01:16 - 54.209 THE MEDIA WANTS ACCESSIBILITY

01:16 - 55.944 FROM ITS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, WANTS

01:16 - 57.579 STRAIGHT ANSWERS, AND I THINK

01:16 - 59.047 I DID THAT BETTER THAN ANY

01:16 - 00.682 POLITICIAN IN RECENT HISTORY,

01:17 - 02.250 THERE WAS SOME TENSION BECAUSE

01:17 - 03.919 I WOULD YELL AT THEM WHEN I FELT

01:17 - 05.587 THAT THEY WERE UNFAIR OR WHETHER

01:17 - 06.521 THEY SCREWED UP.

01:17 - 07.489 >> HOW WOULD THEY REACT?

01:17 - 08.490 DID THEY EVER RETRACT IT,

01:17 - 09.491 CHANGE IT WHEN YOU CALLED

01:17 - 09.925 THEM UP?

01:17 - 12.327 >> YEAH, WHEN -- IN FAIRNESS,

01:17 - 14.796 WHEN WE CAUGHT THEM IN A CLEAR

01:17 - 17.265 ERROR, THEY WOULD MAKE EFFORTS

01:17 - 19.901 TO MAKE AMENDS, BUT NO ONE LIKES

01:17 - 21.803 GETTING YELLED AT, AND

01:17 - 23.772 PARTICULARLY REPORTERS,

01:17 - 25.607 SO IT WAS A LOVE/HATE

01:17 - 28.343 RELATIONSHIP, BUT ON BALANCE.

01:17 - 30.278 YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK

01:17 - 32.014 THE HARRISBURG PRESS CORPS

01:17 - 33.515 WOULD WELCOME ME BACK.

01:17 - 35.484 I'M JUST GUESSING, BUT I THINK

01:17 - 37.252 THEY WOULD WELCOME ME BACK.

01:17 - 38.353 >> COULD I JUST ASK YOU ABOUT

01:17 - 39.421 A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA?

01:17 - 39.855 >> SURE.

01:17 - 40.889 >> HAVE YOU GIVE A SENTENCE

01:17 - 41.857 OR TWO ON EACH OF THEM --

01:17 - 42.391 VERNON ODOM?

01:17 - 45.260 >> VERNON IS A VERY GOOD

01:17 - 46.662 REPORTER.

01:17 - 48.463 YOU CAN'T FOOL VERNON.

01:17 - 49.531 HE'S SMART.

01:17 - 52.701 HE KNOWS POLITICS.

01:17 - 54.202 HE HAS HIS POINT OF VIEW,

01:17 - 55.937 AND HIS POINT OF VIEW LEAKS IN

01:17 - 57.673 TO HIS STORY, BUT IT MAKES HIS

01:17 - 59.408 STORIES MORE GENUINE 'CAUSE HE

01:17 - 00.742 HAS HIS POINT OF VIEW.

01:18 - 02.077 >> MARC HOWARD?

01:18 - 03.645 >> OH, I THOUGHT MARC HOWARD

01:18 - 05.347 WAS A GREAT NEWSMAN AND MANAGED

01:18 - 06.948 TO PULL IT OFF WITH EVERYBODY

01:18 - 08.617 LIKING HIM -- AN AMAZING FEAT.

01:18 - 10.185 I MEAN, HE WASN'T, YOU KNOW,

01:18 - 10.719 A TOAD.

01:18 - 12.320 HE WOULDN'T ACCEPT EVERYTHING

01:18 - 13.321 YOU SAID TO HIM.

01:18 - 15.090 HE WOULD ASK YOU SOME TOUGH

01:18 - 16.992 QUESTIONS, BUT YOU JUST LIKED

01:18 - 18.927 HIM BECAUSE HE WAS SO AFFABLE.

01:18 - 20.128 >> JIM GARDNER?

01:18 - 22.731 >> JIM GARDNER IS REALLY SMART.

01:18 - 25.067 PEOPLE THINK THAT ANCHORMEN

01:18 - 27.736 JUST READ SOMEBODY ELSE'S WORDS.

01:18 - 29.738 JIM WRITES ALL HIS OWN STUFF.

01:18 - 31.606 HE EDITS ALL HIS OWN STUFF.

01:18 - 33.241 HE EDITS THE STORIES, HE EDITS

01:18 - 34.843 THE FILM, AND HE'S VERY SMART.

01:18 - 36.778 HE UNDERSTANDS COMPLICATED

01:18 - 38.847 ISSUES, BUT I'VE SEEN JIM GO

01:18 - 40.849 FROM A YOUNG GUY, AS I WAS,

01:18 - 42.350 TO AN OLDER PERSON, BUT

01:18 - 44.219 JIM GARDNER, I THINK IT'S FAIR

01:18 - 46.121 TO SAY, IS THE WALTER CRONKITE

01:18 - 47.823 OF THE GREATER PHILADELPHIA

01:18 - 49.324 REGION.

01:18 - 51.626 IT'S NO KNOCK AGAINST ANYBODY

01:18 - 53.628 ELSE ON ANY OF THE OTHER

01:18 - 56.064 STATIONS, BUT THEY RAN A LITTLE

01:18 - 58.266 PROMO FOR THE JIM GARDNER SHOW,

01:18 - 00.368 AND I DID A LITTLE PIECE, AND

01:19 - 02.437 IT'S BASICALLY UNTIL JIM SAYS

01:19 - 04.473 IT'S SO, IT ISN'T SO, AND HE

01:19 - 05.807 REALLY HAS BECOME

01:19 - 07.642 THE WALTER CRONKITE OF

01:19 - 08.710 THE REGION.

01:19 - 10.412 >> DAVE DAVIES OF THE INQUIRER?

01:19 - 12.080 >> DAVE IS A VERY GOOD

01:19 - 18.086 REPORTER -- SMART, HARDWORKING,

01:19 - 20.422 DECENT AND HONORABLE, DOESN'T

01:19 - 22.257 LIKE TO GET YELLED AT.

01:19 - 23.859 >> WAS THERE A COLUMNIST OR

01:19 - 25.293 A REPORTER FOR EITHER OF

01:19 - 26.695 THE PAPERS WHO WAS KIND

01:19 - 28.430 OF THE BANE OF YOUR EXISTENCE,

01:19 - 29.831 WHO YOU WOULD ALWAYS --

01:19 - 31.666 >> JOHN BAER.

01:19 - 33.268 YOU KNOW, THE OLD SAYING

01:19 - 34.803 "IF MURDER WERE LEGAL"?

01:19 - 36.138 IF MURDER WERE LEGAL, I

01:19 - 37.639 PROBABLY -- I DON'T THINK I

01:19 - 39.241 WOULD HAVE SHOT JOHN, I DON'T

01:19 - 40.876 THINK I WOULD HAVE KNIFED HIM,

01:19 - 42.477 I THINK I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO

01:19 - 44.179 HAVE BOILED HIM IN A POT TO SEE

01:19 - 46.414 HIM SUFFER, YOU KNOW?

01:19 - 48.250 JOHN WOULD DRIVE ME CRAZY

01:19 - 50.552 BECAUSE JOHN DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT

01:19 - 52.587 ANYBODY IN POLITICS, THAT AS

01:19 - 54.556 SOON AS YOU RAN FOR OFFICE,

01:19 - 55.724 YOU WERE EVIL.

01:19 - 57.125 HE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY

01:19 - 58.460 HAD A GOOD BONE IN HIS BODY.

01:19 - 59.828 HE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY

01:19 - 01.163 DID ANYTHING GOOD, AND IF THEY

01:20 - 02.397 DID SOMETHING GOOD, IT WAS

01:20 - 03.498 BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING

01:20 - 04.399 TO GET RE-ELECTED.

01:20 - 05.867 HE COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT WE

01:20 - 07.202 CARED ABOUT WHAT WE DID.

01:20 - 08.603 HE'S JUST TOO CYNICAL.

01:20 - 10.438 YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE SAYING --

01:20 - 12.140 AND JOHN, IF YOU GET HIM OUT

01:20 - 13.441 AT DINNER, HE CAN BE

01:20 - 15.377 A TREMENDOUSLY AFFABLE, CHARMING

01:20 - 17.379 GUY, BUT HE'S SUCH A CYNIC.

01:20 - 18.980 JOHN, IT'S NOT ALL LIKE THAT.

01:20 - 21.116 YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T AGREE

01:20 - 23.185 WITH EVERYTHING I'VE DONE, AND

01:20 - 25.187 MAYBE YOU THINK I WAS CYNICAL

01:20 - 27.088 HERE OR WUSSED OUT ON THIS,

01:20 - 29.057 BUT YOU KNOW I'VE DONE A LOT

01:20 - 30.225 OF GOOD THINGS.

01:20 - 31.827 WRITE ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS

01:20 - 32.627 THAT I DID.

01:20 - 34.095 HE NEVER WOULD, AND HE DIDN'T

01:20 - 34.796 PICK ON ME.

01:20 - 36.198 HE JUST NEVER WROTE ANYTHING

01:20 - 37.699 GOOD ABOUT ANYBODY, OR HE JUST

01:20 - 39.234 WROTE A COLUMN ABOUT TOM WOLF,

01:20 - 40.569 THE BUSINESSMAN WHO WAS MY

01:20 - 41.903 REVENUE COMMISSIONER WHO'S

01:20 - 43.305 RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, AND HE

01:20 - 44.773 WROTE A GOOD STORY ABOUT WHAT

01:20 - 46.208 A WONDERFUL GUY TOM WOLF IS,

01:20 - 47.943 BUT HE'LL TURN ON TOM WOLF

01:20 - 49.611 IN TWO SECONDS, YOU KNOW?

01:20 - 51.346 BOIL HIM -- BOIL HIM --

01:20 - 53.114 I WOULDN'T SAY OIL, JUST

01:20 - 54.649 HOT WATER, YOU KNOW?

01:20 - 56.017 >> [ CHUCKLES ]

01:20 - 58.253 HOW DID YOU FOLLOW THE NEWS?

01:20 - 01.223 >> I READ CLIPS, BOTH AS MAYOR

01:21 - 02.991 AND AS GOVERNOR.

01:21 - 05.193 I HAD EXTENSIVE CLIPS, AND I

01:21 - 07.429 READ DEEP INTO THE NIGHT, AND

01:21 - 10.699 ONCE THE INTERNET HAPPENED

01:21 - 14.035 AND THEN ALL COMMUNICATIONS

01:21 - 17.939 CHANGED, THEY WOULD SEND ME DVDs

01:21 - 20.141 OF A NEWS REPORT ON ALTOONA TV

01:21 - 22.310 OR ON ERIE TV, SO I'D KEEP UP

01:21 - 23.245 WITH THEM.

01:21 - 24.412 >> WHEN YOU WERE MAYOR, DID

01:21 - 25.680 YOU HAVE A FAVORITE TV STATION

01:21 - 26.648 TO WATCH FOR THE NEWS?

01:21 - 28.617 >> WELL, BASICALLY I WATCHED

01:21 - 30.285 CHANNEL 6, ABC, BECAUSE

01:21 - 32.220 JIM GARDNER HAD SUCH A HIGH

01:21 - 33.054 AUDIENCE.

01:21 - 35.290 IN THOSE DAYS, THERE WERE FOUR

01:21 - 36.992 TV STATIONS WITH NEWS.

01:21 - 39.227 I THINK AT 6:00, CHANNEL 6

01:21 - 41.596 HAD OVER 50% OF THE VIEWERS.

01:21 - 44.099 AMAZING FOR A BIG-CITY MARKET.

01:21 - 46.434 >> WHAT'D YOU DO FOR RELAXATION?

01:21 - 48.670 >> WELL, I'D MOSTLY WATCH

01:21 - 50.005 SPORTS.

01:21 - 52.140 BEFORE I BECAME MAYOR, EVEN

01:21 - 54.442 WHEN I WAS D.A., I WOULD PLAY

01:21 - 56.912 TENNIS, I WOULD PLAY BASKETBALL.

01:21 - 58.179 I'D EVEN PLAY SOME TOUCH

01:21 - 58.813 FOOTBALL.

01:21 - 00.282 BUT WHEN I BECAME MAYOR AND

01:22 - 01.883 GOVERNOR, I WAS JUST TOO BUSY,

01:22 - 03.418 BUT WHATEVER FREE TIME I HAD,

01:22 - 04.619 I WOULD WATCH SPORTS.

01:22 - 06.121 WHEN I WAS DRIVING AROUND IN

01:22 - 08.823 THE CAR, I'D READ BOX SCORES,

01:22 - 11.126 AND, YOU KNOW, SPORTS IS

01:22 - 13.929 A DIFFERENT WORLD, AND YOU CAN

01:22 - 16.865 LOSE YOURSELF IN IT, AND I WOULD

01:22 - 17.999 LOSE MYSELF IN IT.

01:22 - 18.733 >> PHILLIES WERE IN

01:22 - 19.668 THE WORLD SERIES WHILE YOU

01:22 - 20.168 WERE MAYOR?

01:22 - 21.136 >> NO.

01:22 - 22.304 >> 1983?

01:22 - 23.305 >> OH, I'M SORRY.

01:22 - 23.939 '93, '93.

01:22 - 24.773 YOU'RE RIGHT.

01:22 - 25.507 >> OH, '93.

01:22 - 26.942 >> WORLD SERIES -- SURE.

01:22 - 28.543 THAT'S WHEN I GOT IN TROUBLE

01:22 - 30.378 WITH MEL -- NOT MEL STOTTLEMYRE,

01:22 - 32.714 HIS SON TODD STOTTLEMYRE.

01:22 - 34.683 I WAS UP IN TORONTO, AND I WAS

01:22 - 36.685 ON THE FIELD BEFORE GAME THREE

01:22 - 38.086 OF THE WORLD SERIES.

01:22 - 39.854 WE WERE THE MIDDLE THREE.

01:22 - 40.889 IT WAS EARLY.

01:22 - 42.657 TORONTO HAD WON GAME ONE.

01:22 - 44.025 I WAS ON THE FIELD BEFORE

01:22 - 44.659 GAME TWO.

01:22 - 45.994 THE TORONTO PRESS SAID TO ME,

01:22 - 47.362 "ARE YOU WORRIED THAT TORONTO'S

01:22 - 48.663 GONNA WIN THE NEXT THREE AND

01:22 - 49.898 CLOSE IT OUT FOUR-NOTHING?"

01:22 - 50.732 I SAID, "NO."

01:22 - 52.367 I SAID, "TORONTO DOESN'T HAVE

01:22 - 54.002 THE PITCHING TO WIN ALL FOUR."

01:22 - 55.770 I SAID, "TODD STOTTLEMYRE,"

01:22 - 57.706 I SAID, "HE DOESN'T THROW FAST

01:22 - 59.574 ENOUGH TO STRIKE ME OUT," AND

01:22 - 01.609 THAT BECAME A BIG CAUSE CéLèBRE.

01:23 - 03.611 THE TORONTO PAPERS, YOU KNOW,

01:23 - 04.746 WERE JOINING IN, AND IT WAS

01:23 - 05.714 FUNNY.

01:23 - 08.016 AND THEN LATER, SOME CHARITY

01:23 - 10.352 WANTED TO -- TODD STOTTLEMYRE

01:23 - 11.686 IS A GOOD GUY.

01:23 - 14.723 HE HAD AGREED TO PITCH TO ME

01:23 - 17.792 FOR CHARITY, BUT I CHICKENED

01:23 - 18.593 OUT.

01:23 - 19.728 >> HOW OFTEN DID YOU GET TO

01:23 - 20.762 GAMES -- PHILLIES GAMES,

01:23 - 23.264 EAGLES GAMES, '6ers GAMES?

01:23 - 25.233 >> WELL, I WOULD GET TO EVERY

01:23 - 27.168 EAGLES GAME BECAUSE THERE ARE

01:23 - 29.037 ONLY EIGHT OF THEM AT HOME,

01:23 - 30.638 SO YOU CAN GET TO THEM.

01:23 - 32.440 I WOULD GET TO PROBABLY 10

01:23 - 34.376 TO 12 PHILLIES GAMES A YEAR,

01:23 - 36.144 THREE OR FOUR '6ers GAMES

01:23 - 38.246 A YEAR, ONE OR TWO FLYERS GAMES

01:23 - 39.047 A YEAR.

01:23 - 41.249 I MANAGED TO GET TO ALMOST

01:23 - 43.752 ALL HOME PENN BASKETBALL GAMES

01:23 - 45.320 WHEN I WAS MAYOR.

01:23 - 46.354 IT'S A LITTLE HARDER AS

01:23 - 46.888 GOVERNOR.

01:23 - 47.922 IT'S A LITTLE HARDER AS

01:23 - 48.790 GOVERNOR.

01:23 - 50.125 >> YOU STARTED YOUR

01:23 - 51.626 "POSTGAME" FOOTBALL --

01:23 - 52.594 >> AS MAYOR.

01:23 - 53.528 >> AS MAYOR?

01:23 - 55.897 >> Comcast SportsNet CALLED ME

01:23 - 58.233 IN 1998 AND SAID, "WE WANT YOU

01:23 - 00.268 TO CONSIDER COMING ON OUR

01:24 - 03.738 'POSTGAME' EAGLES SHOW."

01:24 - 05.240 I SAID, "SURE."

01:24 - 07.776 I SAID, "WELL, WHO'S GONNA BE

01:24 - 08.676 ON IT?"

01:24 - 10.078 THEY SAID, "WE'LL HAVE A HOST,"

01:24 - 11.446 WHO TURNED OUT TO BE THE GREAT

01:24 - 12.247 MICHAEL BARKANN.

01:24 - 13.982 "WE'LL HAVE A PLAYER."

01:24 - 15.650 IT WAS VAUGHN HEBRON, A FORMER

01:24 - 16.818 EAGLES PLAYER, "AND

01:24 - 18.486 A SPORTSWRITER," RAY DIDINGER,

01:24 - 20.088 A HALL OF FAME SPORTSWRITER,

01:24 - 21.356 "AND YOU'LL COMMENT ON

01:24 - 22.090 THE GAME."

01:24 - 23.291 IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME.

01:24 - 24.859 I WATCHED EVERY EAGLES GAME

01:24 - 26.428 ANYWAY -- EIGHT AWAY GAMES,

01:24 - 27.495 EIGHT HOME GAMES.

01:24 - 30.165 IT WAS EASY, AND THEY PAID ME,

01:24 - 32.767 AND AS MAYOR AND AS GOVERNOR,

01:24 - 35.203 I GAVE THE MONEY TO CHARITY

01:24 - 39.474 FOR THE LONGEST TIME...

01:24 - 40.475 AND IT WAS FUN.

01:24 - 42.010 I REMEMBER THE FIRST SHOW.

01:24 - 43.611 ABOUT 45 MINUTES IN, WE TOOK

01:24 - 45.113 A BREAK, AND I THOUGHT TO

01:24 - 46.614 MYSELF, "THEY ACTUALLY PAY

01:24 - 48.450 PEOPLE FOR DOING THIS -- A BUNCH

01:24 - 50.185 OF GUYS SITTING AROUND TALKING

01:24 - 51.753 FOOTBALL -- ACTUALLY PEOPLE

01:24 - 53.021 GET PAID?"

01:24 - 54.823 SO...

01:24 - 56.324 >> YOU UNDERSTAND THE FINER

01:24 - 57.459 POINTS OF THE GAME?

01:24 - 58.493 >> SOME, NOT ALL.

01:24 - 00.695 I'M NOT RAY DIDINGER, NOR AM I

01:25 - 02.997 A FORMER PLAYER, AND I MADE IT

01:25 - 05.400 CLEAR FROM THE FIRST SHOW I DID,

01:25 - 07.735 AND AT THE START OF EVERY YEAR,

01:25 - 09.104 I MAKE IT CLEAR.

01:25 - 10.939 I AM NOT SITTING THERE AS AN

01:25 - 12.040 EXPERT.

01:25 - 14.309 I'M SITTING THERE REPRESENTING

01:25 - 16.644 THE FANS, AND OFTEN I WILL TURN

01:25 - 18.513 ON THE PANEL AND ALMOST TAKE

01:25 - 20.115 THE JOB OF THE HOST AND SAY

01:25 - 23.017 TO RAY DIDINGER, "RAY, WHY

01:25 - 25.186 DIDN'T HE TRY MORE

01:25 - 26.988 SCREEN PASSES?

01:25 - 28.923 THE FANS UP WHERE I SIT WERE

01:25 - 30.625 SAYING, 'YOU KNOW, THE RUSH

01:25 - 31.526 IS SO TOUGH.

01:25 - 32.727 DUMP THE BALL OFF.

01:25 - 33.628 SCREEN PASS.

01:25 - 34.496 LET THEM RUSH BY AND

01:25 - 35.163 SCREEN PASS.'"

01:25 - 36.931 SO I WAS SORT OF THE VOICE

01:25 - 38.800 OF THE FANS, AND, ALSO, I'VE

01:25 - 40.768 ALWAYS HAD A PRETTY GOOD SENSE

01:25 - 42.837 OF HUMOR, AND I THINK THE MAGIC

01:25 - 44.772 OF THAT SHOW, THE REASON IT'S

01:25 - 46.574 THE TOP-RATED NON-GAME SHOW

01:25 - 49.077 ON Comcast IS BECAUSE IT'S FUN.

01:25 - 50.411 WE HAVE FUN.

01:25 - 51.779 YOU KNOW, THERE'S HUMOR ABOUT

01:25 - 52.981 IT, TOO.

01:25 - 54.449 >> DID YOU GET TO TAKE VACATIONS

01:25 - 55.750 WHERE YOU JUST GOT AWAY FOR

01:25 - 56.217 A WEEK?

01:25 - 57.886 >> NOT MUCH.

01:25 - 04.359 I THINK AS MAYOR, WE WENT AWAY

01:26 - 05.927 ONCE FOR ANY EXTENDED PERIOD

01:26 - 06.561 OF TIME.

01:26 - 08.396 IT WAS TO CELEBRATE OUR

01:26 - 10.131 25th ANNIVERSARY, BUT

01:26 - 12.233 IRONICALLY, WE WENT AWAY --

01:26 - 14.002 [ Chuckling ] OUR 25th

01:26 - 15.904 ANNIVERSARY WAS IN 1996,

01:26 - 17.839 JULY OF 1996, BUT IT WAS

01:26 - 20.208 PRESIDENT CLINTON'S RE-ELECTION

01:26 - 22.310 YEAR, AND PRESIDENT CLINTON

01:26 - 24.012 HAD NOT ONLY DONE GREAT THINGS

01:26 - 25.780 FOR ME AND THE CITY, BUT HE HAD

01:26 - 27.248 APPOINTED MIDGE A FEDERAL

01:26 - 28.750 DISTRICT JUDGE, SO I SAID,

01:26 - 29.984 "MIDGE, WE OWE IT TO

01:26 - 31.219 PRESIDENT CLINTON --

01:26 - 32.086 OR I OWE IT."

01:26 - 33.121 MIDGE COULDN'T CAMPAIGN.

01:26 - 33.855 SHE WAS A JUDGE.

01:26 - 34.956 I SAID, "I'VE GOT TO STICK

01:26 - 36.157 AROUND AND CAMPAIGN FOR HIM."

01:26 - 38.092 SO WE TOOK OUR 25th ANNIVERSARY

01:26 - 42.797 TRIP IN 1997 -- THE 26th YEAR.

01:26 - 45.967 WE WENT TO ENGLAND AND FRANCE.

01:26 - 47.535 BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME

01:26 - 49.437 I LEFT FOR AN EXTENDED VACATION.

01:26 - 51.005 >> WAS MIDGE A JUDGE THE WHOLE

01:26 - 52.140 TIME YOU WERE MAYOR?

01:26 - 53.908 >> NO, NOT FOR '92, '93,

01:26 - 55.577 BUT IN '94, SHE BECAME

01:26 - 57.445 A DISTRICT COURT JUDGE, AND THEN

01:26 - 58.980 IN '98, PRESIDENT CLINTON

01:26 - 00.515 ELEVATED HER TO THE COURT

01:27 - 01.149 OF APPEALS.

01:27 - 02.650 >> IS DISTRICT COURT JUDGE

01:27 - 03.918 ELECTED OR APPOINTED?

01:27 - 05.320 >> FEDERAL JUDGES ARE ALL

01:27 - 06.020 APPOINTED.

01:27 - 07.689 DISTRICT COURT IS TRIAL JUDGES,

01:27 - 09.257 COURT OF APPEALS IS OBVIOUSLY

01:27 - 10.959 APPELLATE JUDGES, AND IT WAS

01:27 - 12.727 VERY FORTUNATE, 'CAUSE WHEN I

01:27 - 14.662 BECAME GOVERNOR, MIDGE COULD NOT

01:27 - 16.264 HAVE BEEN A DISTRICT COURT

01:27 - 17.065 JUDGE.

01:27 - 18.633 SHE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN

01:27 - 20.268 IN PHILADELPHIA FIVE DAYS A WEEK

01:27 - 21.569 AND COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN

01:27 - 23.104 HARRISBURG AT ALL, WHICH WOULD

01:27 - 24.606 HAVE BEEN AN UNTENABLE WAY TO

01:27 - 26.174 LIVE, BUT AS A COURT OF APPEALS

01:27 - 27.709 JUDGE, YOU KNOW, THEY SIT ONLY

01:27 - 29.177 FIVE OR SIX WEEKS A YEAR, THE

01:27 - 30.645 REST OF THE STUFF IS READING

01:27 - 32.213 AND CONFERENCING, AND SHE COULD

01:27 - 33.781 DO ALL OF THAT FROM HARRISBURG.

01:27 - 35.183 >> DID YOU HAVE FAVORITE

01:27 - 35.984 RESTAURANTS?

01:27 - 36.884 >> IN PHILLY?

01:27 - 38.519 >> YEAH.

01:27 - 39.420 >> ALL OF THEM.

01:27 - 40.121 [ LAUGHS ]

01:27 - 41.389 NO, I HAD SOME FAVORITE

01:27 - 43.791 RESTAURANTS, AS, YOU KNOW,

01:27 - 45.193 TIME WENT BY.

01:27 - 49.530 I DID...

01:27 - 51.332 YOU KNOW, I'M A MEAT-EATER,

01:27 - 53.134 SO I LOVED, YOU KNOW, A LOT

01:27 - 55.003 OF THE CHAIN STEAK PLACES --

01:27 - 56.971 THE MORTON'S, THE PALM,

01:27 - 59.207 CAPITAL GRILLE -- ALL THOSE

01:27 - 02.043 PLACES, THEY WERE MY FAVORITES.

01:28 - 04.045 I LIKED -- I ONLY ATE LE BEC-FIN

01:28 - 05.280 MAYBE ONCE A YEAR.

01:28 - 06.914 THAT WAS ALL I COULD EVER

01:28 - 08.650 AFFORD, BUT IT'S WONDERFUL,

01:28 - 10.652 INCREDIBLE FOOD, AND THE DESSERT

01:28 - 11.953 TRAY WAS WONDERFUL.

01:28 - 13.488 LE BEC-FIN, AT THAT TIME, WAS

01:28 - 14.989 ONE OF THE FOUR OR FIVE BEST

01:28 - 16.357 RESTAURANTS IN THE WORLD,

01:28 - 17.325 SO I LIKED THAT.

01:28 - 17.992 I LOVED

01:28 - 20.028 THE ORIGINAL BOOKBINDER'S 'CAUSE

01:28 - 21.896 I LOVE LOBSTER, AND THEN WHEN

01:28 - 23.531 STEPHEN STARR CAME ALONG,

01:28 - 25.133 STEPHEN STARR HAS, LIKE,

01:28 - 26.868 14 DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS IN

01:28 - 28.903 PHILADELPHIA, SOME IN WASHINGTON

01:28 - 29.904 AND NEW YORK.

01:28 - 31.139 EVERY ONE OF THEM IS DIFFERENT,

01:28 - 32.140 AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS

01:28 - 33.207 TERRIFIC, AND THEN WE WERE

01:28 - 34.275 FORTUNATE IN PHILADELPHIA.

01:28 - 35.677 JOSE GARCES CAME ALONG.

01:28 - 37.545 HE'S A GREAT RESTAURATEUR, TOO,

01:28 - 39.347 AND THEN A LOT OF INDEPENDENTS.

01:28 - 41.149 I MEAN, PHILADELPHIA HAS BETTER

01:28 - 42.750 RESTAURANTS PER CAPITA THAN

01:28 - 44.185 ANY CITY IN THE WORLD --

01:28 - 45.887 I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WORLD,

01:28 - 47.322 BUT ANY CITY IN THE U.S.

01:28 - 49.157 BETTER THAN NEW YORK PER CAPITA.

01:28 - 50.892 NO QUESTION IN MY MIND.

01:28 - 52.393 >> WERE THE CONVENTION CENTER

01:28 - 53.895 AND THE KIMMEL CENTER STARTED

01:28 - 54.862 UNDER YOUR WATCH?

01:28 - 56.197 >> CONVENTION CENTER --

01:28 - 57.999 MAYOR GOODE, DWIGHT EVANS HAD

01:28 - 59.734 PUT TOGETHER WITH THE STATE

01:28 - 01.169 THE DEAL THAT PAID FOR

01:29 - 02.603 THE CONVENTION CENTER.

01:29 - 04.238 IT OPENED MY FIRST YEAR AS

01:29 - 05.840 MAYOR, AND, IN FACT, IT'S

01:29 - 06.841 A FUNNY STORY.

01:29 - 08.176 WE HAD -- I THOUGHT --

01:29 - 09.644 THE FIRST WEEKEND, WE HAD

01:29 - 11.379 AN OPEN HOUSE FOR THE CITIZENS

01:29 - 12.714 TO COME IN AND SEE IT.

01:29 - 14.048 NOT ONLY COULD THEY SEE

01:29 - 15.650 THE BUILDING, BUT WE HAD ALL

01:29 - 17.352 SORTS OF GAMES AND RIDES INSIDE

01:29 - 19.153 FOR THE KIDS, AND I THINK WE HAD

01:29 - 20.722 SOME INCREDIBLE AMOUNT, LIKE

01:29 - 22.123 60,000 PEOPLE CAME IN ON

01:29 - 23.691 SATURDAY AND SUNDAY TOGETHER

01:29 - 25.393 TO SEE THE CENTER, AND I WOULD

01:29 - 27.161 STAND AT THE FRONT DOOR GREETING

01:29 - 28.830 PEOPLE AS THEY WERE COMING IN,

01:29 - 30.298 AND AS PEOPLE WERE LEAVING,

01:29 - 31.866 THEY'D COME UP TO ME AND SAY,

01:29 - 33.334 "MAYOR, THIS IS INCREDIBLE.

01:29 - 34.535 YOU DID A GREAT JOB,"

01:29 - 36.170 AND I WOULD --

01:29 - 37.672 ON SATURDAY, I WOULD SAY TO

01:29 - 39.107 THEM, "GEEZ, I DIDN'T HAVE

01:29 - 40.408 ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

01:29 - 42.009 YOU KNOW, IT WAS MAYOR GOODE,

01:29 - 43.644 BUT I'M GONNA PROMOTE THE HECK

01:29 - 45.146 OUT OF IT."

01:29 - 46.781 BY SUNDAY, I REALIZED IN MY TIME

01:29 - 48.349 AS MAYOR I WAS GONNA BE BLAMED

01:29 - 49.984 FOR THINGS THAT I HAD NOTHING TO

01:29 - 51.619 DO WITH, SO I MIGHT AS WELL TAKE

01:29 - 53.087 CREDIT FOR THINGS THAT I HAD

01:29 - 54.655 NOTHING TO DO WITH, SO I SAID,

01:29 - 56.157 "OH, THANKS, THANKS, THANKS."

01:29 - 57.392 >> WHAT WERE THE OTHER PROJECTS

01:29 - 58.559 THAT YOU CAN LOOK AROUND, WALK

01:29 - 59.694 AROUND THE CITY NOW AND SAY,

01:29 - 00.595 "I HAD A HAND IN THAT.

01:30 - 01.529 I HAD A HAND IN THAT"?

01:30 - 03.197 >> OH, THE AVENUE OF THE ARTS

01:30 - 04.599 WOULDN'T EXIST WITHOUT,

01:30 - 06.401 YOU KNOW, MY WILLINGNESS TO ROLL

01:30 - 07.935 UP MY SLEEVES AND CONVINCE

01:30 - 09.704 GOVERNOR CASEY TO HELP FUND IT,

01:30 - 11.472 TO RAISE THE MONEY FOR IT, AND,

01:30 - 13.241 REALLY, MIDGE DESERVES THE MOST

01:30 - 14.675 CREDIT FOR THE AVENUE OF

01:30 - 15.376 THE ARTS.

01:30 - 16.811 SHE DROVE THE PROJECT.

01:30 - 18.312 THAT WAS HER PROJECT AS

01:30 - 19.147 FIRST LADY.

01:30 - 20.915 SHE DROVE THE KIMMEL CENTER.

01:30 - 22.717 SHE COULDN'T RAISE MONEY ONCE

01:30 - 24.419 SHE BECAME A JUDGE, BUT SHE

01:30 - 26.354 DROVE ME TO RAISE MONEY FOR IT,

01:30 - 29.524 AND YOU LOOK AT THE --

01:30 - 30.992 I REMEMBER WHEN I ANNOUNCED

01:30 - 32.660 THE AVENUE OF THE ARTS, I SAID,

01:30 - 34.228 "I LOOK FORWARD TO THE TIME

01:30 - 36.063 ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WHEN YOU CAN

01:30 - 37.899 LOOK DOWN THE AVENUE OF THE ARTS

01:30 - 40.401 AND SEE 5,000, 10,000 PEOPLE

01:30 - 42.770 COMING OUT OF THE SHOWS AT

01:30 - 45.106 10:30," AND YOU CAN TODAY.

01:30 - 46.607 YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING.

01:30 - 48.242 KIMMEL CENTER IS AN AMAZING

01:30 - 50.378 BUILDING.

01:30 - 51.979 WE HAD A CONTROVERSIAL

01:30 - 53.915 ARCHITECT -- RAFAEL VIÑOLY,

01:30 - 55.583 BUT HE DID A GREAT JOB.

01:30 - 58.186 THE RENOVATION OF THE ACADEMY

01:30 - 00.721 OF MUSIC WAS A HUGE SUCCESS,

01:31 - 02.190 THE WILMA THEATER,

01:31 - 04.325 THE SUZANNE ROBERTS THEATRE.

01:31 - 06.160 THERE'S SO MANY GREAT VENUES.

01:31 - 07.895 THE CLEF CLUB, A GREAT JAZZ

01:31 - 09.664 CLUB -- SO MANY GREAT THINGS

01:31 - 11.132 ON THE AVENUE THAT ARE

01:31 - 12.467 SPECTACULAR, AND THE

01:31 - 14.368 STREETSCAPE, AND IT JUST --

01:31 - 17.472 IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS.

01:31 - 19.373 THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO ALL

01:31 - 21.442 AROUND AND YOU SEE -- YOU SAY

01:31 - 23.444 THAT THERE ARE NO FACTORIES,

01:31 - 24.846 BUT THERE ARE SOME

01:31 - 26.914 PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURING.

01:31 - 28.749 THOSE WERE DEALS THAT WE PUT

01:31 - 30.551 INTO PLACE, CLEAN ROOMS ALL

01:31 - 32.320 OVER -- SO MANY DIFFERENT

01:31 - 33.020 THINGS.

01:31 - 34.155 THE NAVY YARD.

01:31 - 35.590 PEOPLE THOUGHT WHEN THE NAVY

01:31 - 36.858 YARD CLOSED, IT WOULD BE

01:31 - 37.625 A GHOST TOWN.

01:31 - 39.560 IT'S NOW GOT ALMOST AS MANY

01:31 - 41.762 WORKERS THERE AS WHEN IT CLOSED

01:31 - 43.831 DOWN, WHEN THE NAVY ANNOUNCED

01:31 - 45.032 IT WAS CLOSING.

01:31 - 47.101 IT'S BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS --

01:31 - 49.203 YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

01:31 - 51.138 THE GROWTH OF UNIVERSITY CITY.

01:31 - 52.807 WE INVESTED IN CHILDREN'S

01:31 - 54.542 HOSPITAL, IN UNIVERSITY OF

01:31 - 56.143 PENNSYLVANIA AND DREXEL.

01:31 - 58.379 SO MUCH OF OUR DOLLARS ARE IN

01:31 - 00.581 THAT -- BOTH AS GOVERNOR AND

01:32 - 02.550 MAYOR, SO THE VITALITY OF

01:32 - 04.352 THE CITY IS -- I MEAN,

01:32 - 06.320 FOX CHASE CANCER CENTER.

01:32 - 07.722 THEY BUILT A SEPARATE BUILDING

01:32 - 09.056 WITH MONEY THAT THEY GOT FROM

01:32 - 11.058 THE STATE.

01:32 - 13.194 YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF WHAT'S ALL

01:32 - 15.096 AROUND CAME FROM GOVERNMENT

01:32 - 17.265 FUNDING, EITHER WHEN I WAS MAYOR

01:32 - 19.166 OR GOVERNOR, AND WHEN I SAY

01:32 - 21.235 GOVERNMENT FUNDING, GOVERNMENT

01:32 - 23.271 FUNDING WAS PART OF THE -- IT

01:32 - 25.373 WAS PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS

01:32 - 27.341 THAT GOT IT DONE, BUT, YEAH.

01:32 - 28.809 NO, IT'S AMAZING.

01:32 - 30.912 I COULD DRIVE AROUND ALMOST

01:32 - 33.180 FOREVER IN THE CITY, BUT EVEN

01:32 - 35.349 AS I GO AROUND PENNSYLVANIA,

01:32 - 38.019 YOU KNOW.

01:32 - 39.253 THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL

01:32 - 42.256 IN HERSHEY -- STATE MONEY.

01:32 - 43.791 NOT ENTIRELY STATE MONEY, BUT

01:32 - 45.226 OBVIOUSLY SOME STATE MONEY.

01:32 - 47.128 THE MATERIALS SCIENCE CENTER

01:32 - 49.263 UP AT PENN STATE -- STATE MONEY.

01:32 - 50.698 THE MEDICAL SCHOOL BUILDING

01:32 - 52.066 AT TEMPLE -- STATE MONEY.

01:32 - 53.568 YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GO AROUND

01:32 - 54.201 ANYWHERE.

01:32 - 55.770 THE MEDICAL SCHOOL AT PITT --

01:32 - 57.605 STATE MONEY.

01:32 - 59.240 SURE, I MEAN, I BELIEVED IN

01:32 - 00.808 DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVED IN

01:33 - 01.509 BUILDING.

01:33 - 03.511 WE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN

01:33 - 05.146 GROWTH, AND NOT ONLY IN

01:33 - 06.881 PROJECTS, BUT ALSO IN OUR

01:33 - 08.983 INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WHEN I LEFT

01:33 - 10.685 AS MAYOR -- AS GOVERNOR,

01:33 - 12.720 INTERESTINGLY -- I GUESS WE'LL

01:33 - 14.722 GET TO THAT LATER, BUT WHEN I

01:33 - 16.424 LEFT OFFICE, WE HAD 7.4%

01:33 - 17.758 UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.

01:33 - 20.094 THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WAS 9.2%.

01:33 - 22.296 IN MY 96 MONTHS AS GOVERNOR,

01:33 - 24.365 ALL BUT THREE OF THEM, OUR

01:33 - 26.467 UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS LOWER

01:33 - 28.536 THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE,

01:33 - 30.938 MANY MONTHS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER

01:33 - 33.007 THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

01:33 - 34.809 AS MAYOR, WE WENT FROM

01:33 - 39.413 HEMORRHAGING JOBS, LOSING

01:33 - 41.248 THOUSANDS OF JOBS A YEAR TO,

01:33 - 43.250 IN MY LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS

01:33 - 45.186 AS MAYOR, GAINING 20,000 JOBS.

01:33 - 47.488 SO, YEAH, THERE'S SO MUCH I CAN

01:33 - 49.824 LOOK AND SEE AND TOUCH AND SAY,

01:33 - 52.126 "WE DID THAT," BUT I ALWAYS SAY

01:33 - 54.495 "WE DID THAT" BECAUSE NONE OF IT

01:33 - 56.330 WE DID ALONE.

01:33 - 57.832 EVERY BUILDING THAT'S UP THAT

01:33 - 59.300 HAS GOVERNMENT FUNDING IN IT

01:33 - 00.401 HAD PRIVATE FUNDING.

01:34 - 02.003 THEY WERE PUBLIC/PRIVATE

01:34 - 03.838 PARTNERSHIPS OR HAD -- IF IT

01:34 - 05.573 WAS A UNIVERSITY BUILDING,

01:34 - 07.274 THE UNIVERSITY RAISED PART

01:34 - 09.110 OF THE MONEY THEMSELVES, SO,

01:34 - 10.878 YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PROUD OF

01:34 - 12.713 WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED, AND

01:34 - 15.116 I STILL VOLUNTEER MY TIME

01:34 - 17.618 TO HELP MAYOR NUTTER HERE

01:34 - 19.787 TO KEEP THINGS GOING.

01:34 - 22.390 I'M WORKING ON THE TOURISM

01:34 - 25.092 COMMUNITY TO STILL BOLSTER

01:34 - 25.926 THAT.

01:34 - 27.395 WE'RE RAISING MONEY TO BUILD

01:34 - 28.496 A NEW MUSEUM HERE IN

01:34 - 29.397 PHILADELPHIA TO

01:34 - 30.998 THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WHICH,

01:34 - 32.566 IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE'S

01:34 - 33.334 NO MUSEUM TO

01:34 - 34.969 THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION ANYWHERE

01:34 - 35.970 IN THE COUNTRY.

01:34 - 37.738 THERE ARE MUSEUMS TO BUBBLE GUM,

01:34 - 39.140 TO THE ICE CREAM CONE, TO

01:34 - 40.875 POST-ITS, BUT THERE'S NO MUSEUM

01:34 - 42.343 DETAILING WHAT HAPPENED IN

01:34 - 43.711 THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

01:34 - 45.713 WE WANT TO TELL THAT STORY HERE,

01:34 - 47.214 AND WE WANT TO DEVELOP

01:34 - 48.716 A HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE

01:34 - 50.518 LIKE FREEDOM TRAIL IN BOSTON

01:34 - 52.553 OR WILLIAMSBURG, AND I'M WORKING

01:34 - 54.121 WITH ALL OF OUR HERITAGE

01:34 - 55.756 AGENCIES AND MAYOR NUTTER

01:34 - 58.359 TO GET THAT DONE, SO, YOU KNOW,

01:34 - 00.895 I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

01:35 - 03.431 WHAT WE CREATED STAYS AND GETS

01:35 - 05.533 EVEN BETTER, AND JOHN STREET

01:35 - 07.668 DID A GOOD JOB OF CONTINUING

01:35 - 09.670 THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND

01:35 - 11.906 THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE CITY,

01:35 - 13.808 AND MAYOR NUTTER CAME IN IN

01:35 - 15.843 A TERRIBLE RECESSION, BUT HE'S

01:35 - 17.511 TRYING HIS BEST AND HAS

01:35 - 19.280 SUCCEEDED IN MANY WAYS IN

01:35 - 21.282 KEEPING THE ECONOMIC MOMENTUM

01:35 - 22.917 GOING FORWARD.

01:35 - 24.785 SO ONE OF THE THINGS I --

01:35 - 26.854 I WANTED TO REVERSE THE FEEL

01:35 - 28.089 ABOUT THE CITY.

01:35 - 29.890 THE FEEL ABOUT PHILADELPHIA

01:35 - 35.429 IN JANUARY 5, 1992, WAS THAT

01:35 - 37.098 IT WAS A DEAD, DYING CITY.

01:35 - 38.766 PEOPLE JUST WANTED TO GET OUT.

01:35 - 40.434 I WANTED TO CHANGE THAT FEEL

01:35 - 41.902 TO THAT IT WAS AN ALIVE,

01:35 - 43.471 VIBRANT, FUN CITY THAT WAS

01:35 - 45.339 TURNING AROUND AND PEOPLE WANTED

01:35 - 47.208 TO GET BACK IN, AND WHEN YOU SEE

01:35 - 48.809 WHAT'S HAPPENED TODAY, IT'S

01:35 - 50.277 SUCCEEDED BEYOND, AGAIN,

01:35 - 51.846 MY WILDEST EXPECTATION.

01:35 - 53.514 BUT -- SO I TRIED TO DO FUN.

01:35 - 54.882 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAID,

01:35 - 56.183 "BREAD AND CIRCUSES."

01:35 - 57.752 WELL, TO SOME DEGREE, YES,

01:35 - 59.320 BUT I WANTED IT TO BE FUN,

01:35 - 00.888 AND I WANT IT TO BE A GOOD

01:36 - 01.689 EXPERIENCE.

01:36 - 03.090 THE AVENUE OF THE ARTS BROUGHT

01:36 - 04.291 BACK CULTURE TO THE CITY.

01:36 - 06.560 CITIES SHOULD BE CULTURAL HUBS.

01:36 - 08.496 BUT I WANT IT TO BE FUN --

01:36 - 10.698 WEDNESDAY NIGHT OUT, YOU KNOW,

01:36 - 12.366 AND THEN OUR FOURTH OF JULY

01:36 - 14.135 CELEBRATION WAS TWO DAYS, AND

01:36 - 16.003 IT WAS CALLED LET FREEDOM RING,

01:36 - 17.738 AND I THOUGHT, "FOR TWO DAYS,

01:36 - 19.406 WE SHOULD OWN THE FOURTH OF

01:36 - 21.075 JULY, SO LET'S HAVE A LONG,

01:36 - 22.676 EXTENDED CELEBRATION," AND

01:36 - 24.345 WE CREATED SOMETHING CALLED

01:36 - 26.013 WELCOME AMERICA!, MEANING

01:36 - 27.848 PHILADELPHIA OWNS THE FOURTH

01:36 - 28.582 OF JULY.

01:36 - 30.084 WE WANT YOU TO COME TO

01:36 - 31.786 PHILADELPHIA TO CELEBRATE

01:36 - 33.754 THE FOURTH OF JULY, AND WE PUT

01:36 - 35.256 IN NINE DAYS' WORTH OF

01:36 - 37.358 FESTIVALS, AND WE HAD EVERYTHING

01:36 - 38.425 UNDER THE SUN.

01:36 - 40.027 WE HAD PARKWAY NIGHT OUT.

01:36 - 41.529 EVERY MUSEUM ON THE PARKWAY --

01:36 - 43.063 AND THERE WERE TONS OF MUSEUMS

01:36 - 43.931 ON THE PARKWAY.

01:36 - 46.000 EVERY MUSEUM ON THE PARKWAY

01:36 - 47.501 WAS OPEN FOR FREE.

01:36 - 49.103 THERE WAS ENTERTAINMENT INSIDE

01:36 - 50.337 THE MUSEUMS, THERE WAS

01:36 - 51.772 ENTERTAINMENT ON THE MEDIAN

01:36 - 53.274 STRIPS OF THE PARKWAY, THERE

01:36 - 54.708 WAS FOOD IN THE STREETS ON

01:36 - 55.976 THE PARKWAY, THERE WERE

01:36 - 57.478 JUGGLERS, THERE WERE STAGES,

01:36 - 59.079 THERE WERE PERFORMANCE STAGES.

01:36 - 00.681 YOU COULD GET A PROGRAM TELLING

01:37 - 02.183 YOU WHERE EVERYTHING WAS AND

01:37 - 03.551 WHAT TIME EACH PERFORMANCE

01:37 - 05.085 WAS GONNA BE, AND WE EXPECTED

01:37 - 06.654 MAYBE -- THE FIRST TIME WE HAD

01:37 - 08.189 WELCOME AMERICA!, WE EXPECTED

01:37 - 09.523 5,000 PEOPLE COMING DOWN.

01:37 - 10.958 IT WAS ON A THURSDAY NIGHT.

01:37 - 12.693 25,000 PEOPLE CAME DOWN.

01:37 - 14.695 IN FACT, WE RAN OUT OF FOOD,

01:37 - 16.397 AND I REMEMBER LARRY COHEN,

01:37 - 17.965 WHO HAS GONE ON TO BE ONE

01:37 - 19.233 OF THE CITY'S GREAT

01:37 - 20.835 RESTAURATEURS, HE CAME TO

01:37 - 23.037 THE RESCUE AND SOMEHOW FOUND

01:37 - 25.039 THOUSANDS OF CHEESESTEAKS

01:37 - 27.074 AND SMOOTHIES AND BROUGHT

01:37 - 29.476 THEM TO THE PARKWAY, BUT IT WAS

01:37 - 31.712 AN AMAZING SUCCESS.

01:37 - 35.716 WE HAD THE MARKET STREET MILE.

01:37 - 38.052 ONE NIGHT WE HAD EIGHT DIFFERENT

01:37 - 39.954 RACES ON MARKET STREET --

01:37 - 42.056 A MILE EACH, AND THE FEATURE

01:37 - 45.159 RACE, WE GOT FORMER MILERS --

01:37 - 46.427 FRANK SHORTER, WHO WAS AN

01:37 - 47.394 OLYMPIC CHAMPION.

01:37 - 48.863 WE GOT THEM TO COME IN AND RUN

01:37 - 50.331 THE FEATURE RACE, BUT THEN WE

01:37 - 51.532 HAD A CELEBRITY MILE --

01:37 - 52.600 MEDIA PERSONALITIES.

01:37 - 54.501 I RAN IN THE CELEBRITY MILE.

01:37 - 56.136 I RAN HOLDING A HOAGIE.

01:37 - 57.171 >> [ LAUGHS ]

01:37 - 58.138 >> YOU KNOW.

01:37 - 00.007 THEN WE HAD A BUSINESSMAN'S

01:38 - 00.574 MILE.

01:38 - 02.509 YOU HAD TO RUN IN A BUSINESS

01:38 - 04.578 SUIT, CARRYING AN ATTACHé CASE.

01:38 - 05.946 THEN WE HAD A HOSPITAL-BED

01:38 - 06.380 MILE.

01:38 - 07.982 IT WAS ONLY OPEN TO NURSES AND

01:38 - 09.583 DOCTORS, AND THEY HAD TO WHEEL

01:38 - 11.151 A HOSPITAL BED DOWN THE MILE,

01:38 - 12.319 AND WE HAD ALL SORTS OF FUN

01:38 - 12.720 RACES.

01:38 - 15.556 WE CONVINCED WAWA, THE GREAT

01:38 - 18.225 SERVICE STATION AND STORES

01:38 - 21.295 TO DO WAWA HOAGIE DAY, AND WAWA

01:38 - 24.131 BUILT A TWO-MILE-LONG HOAGIE

01:38 - 26.000 AND GAVE IT AWAY AND WAWA WOULD

01:38 - 27.368 HAVE BANDS AND STUFF.

01:38 - 28.969 WE HAD EVERY SORT OF CONCEIVABLE

01:38 - 29.803 ENTERTAINMENT.

01:38 - 31.071 WE HAD THREE NIGHTS OF

01:38 - 32.640 FIREWORKS, WE HAD TWO NIGHTS

01:38 - 34.141 OF CONCERTS -- ONCE DOWN ON

01:38 - 35.709 THE RIVER, ONCE UP AT THE --

01:38 - 37.344 JULY FOURTH AT THE ART MUSEUM.

01:38 - 39.580 IT WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE FESTIVAL,

01:38 - 41.582 AND IT STILL EXISTS TODAY --

01:38 - 43.450 NOT QUITE AS BIG IN SCOPE, BUT

01:38 - 44.885 STILL PRETTY GOOD, AND

01:38 - 46.287 MAYOR STREET KEPT IT,

01:38 - 48.022 MAYOR NUTTER'S KEPT IT, AND

01:38 - 49.924 IT'S BEEN FUN, AND THE CITY GOT

01:38 - 51.592 A REPUTATION -- I'LL NEVER

01:38 - 54.295 FORGET A MOMENT NEAR THE END

01:38 - 56.363 OF MY TIME AS MAYOR.

01:38 - 58.599 THE MILLENNIUM HAPPENED ACTUALLY

01:38 - 00.701 TWO DAYS BEFORE I WAS LEAVING

01:39 - 02.937 OFFICE AS MAYOR AND JOHN STREET

01:39 - 05.039 WAS TAKING OVER, AND I WANTED

01:39 - 07.074 A BIG MILLENNIUM CELEBRATION.

01:39 - 08.876 CITIES WERE CELEBRATING.

01:39 - 11.245 WELL, MYSELF AND THIS WONDERFUL

01:39 - 13.047 WOMAN WHO WORKS IN OUR

01:39 - 15.282 HERITAGE TOURISM, AMY NEEDLE,

01:39 - 17.484 WE DECIDED -- I PUT TOGETHER

01:39 - 19.853 A SMALL MILLENNIUM ORGANIZATION.

01:39 - 21.455 I RAISED THE MONEY PRIVATELY,

01:39 - 22.990 PUT A LITTLE CITY MONEY INTO

01:39 - 25.559 THE POT, AND WE DECIDED

01:39 - 28.095 EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD

01:39 - 31.632 TURNED 2000 FOR 24 HOURS.

01:39 - 35.035 STARTING AT 7:00 A.M. ON

01:39 - 39.139 DECEMBER 31st IN PHILADELPHIA,

01:39 - 40.874 SOMEWHERE AROUND THE WORLD WAS

01:39 - 42.676 TURNING 2000, AND IT LASTED TILL

01:39 - 44.945 6:00 A.M. ON JANUARY 1st IN

01:39 - 46.246 PHILADELPHIA.

01:39 - 48.182 SO WE DECIDED WE'D HAVE BIG

01:39 - 50.017 SCREENS ALL OVER THE CITY

01:39 - 51.752 TO SHOW THE CELEBRATIONS

01:39 - 53.520 IN THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES

01:39 - 55.522 AS THEY TURNED 2000 AND THAT

01:39 - 57.758 WE'D HAVE ONE PHILADELPHIA EVENT

01:39 - 59.727 EACH HOUR FOR 24 HOURS, AND

01:39 - 02.029 THEY'D ALL BE KEYED IN TO 2000.

01:40 - 04.965 SO, WE STARTED OFF AT 7:00 A.M.

01:40 - 07.568 ON DECEMBER 31st WITH 2,000

01:40 - 10.437 RUNNERS DRESSED AS ROCKY, WITH

01:40 - 12.272 THE GRAY SWEATSHIRTS AND THE

01:40 - 14.108 HOOD AND THE BLUE JEFF CAPS,

01:40 - 15.876 RUNNING UP THE STEPS OF THE

01:40 - 17.711 ROCKY MUSEUM, TO WHERE ROCKY

01:40 - 18.278 CAME.

01:40 - 19.880 AND WE DID IT RIGHT AT 7:00.

01:40 - 21.548 AND JOHN STREET DID IT, AND I

01:40 - 22.149 DID IT.

01:40 - 23.617 WE RAN UP THE STEPS, TOO.

01:40 - 25.652 AND 2,000 -- AND EVERYONE LOOKED

01:40 - 27.588 EXACTLY THE SAME 'CAUSE WE ALL

01:40 - 29.623 WERE GIVEN THESE SWEATSHIRTS AND

01:40 - 31.625 SANTA HOODS AND SWEAT PANTS AND

01:40 - 32.760 BLUE JEFF CAPS.

01:40 - 34.028 IT WAS HYSTERICAL.

01:40 - 36.230 THEN LIKE AT 5:00 IN THE

01:40 - 38.665 AFTERNOON, IT WAS DARK THAT

01:40 - 40.467 NIGHT, ON THE 31st.

01:40 - 42.169 WE HAD 2,000 PEOPLE HOLDING

01:40 - 44.171 LIGHTS DOWN AT VETERANS STADIUM,

01:40 - 46.140 AND IT SPELLED OUT "PHILADELPHIA

01:40 - 46.740 2000."

01:40 - 48.609 YOU COULD SEE IT FROM THE AIR.

01:40 - 50.911 SO, IT WAS OUR PHILADELPHIA

01:40 - 51.645 2000.

01:40 - 54.314 AT 9:00 THAT NIGHT, WE LIT SEVEN

01:40 - 55.949 BRIDGES -- PERMANENTLY LIT

01:40 - 57.718 THEM -- THAT HADN'T BEEN LIT.

01:40 - 59.620 WE LIT THEM WITH LIGHTS, AND WE

01:40 - 02.890 FLIPPED THE SWITCH AT 9:00.

01:41 - 04.625 WE LIT THE TOWER IN CITY HALL,

01:41 - 06.260 AND WE FLIPPED THE SWITCH AT

01:41 - 08.829 6:00.

01:41 - 12.099 AT 6:00 A.M., THE LAST HOUR, WE

01:41 - 14.835 HAD A MUMMERS PARADE DOWN

01:41 - 16.570 MARKET STREET.

01:41 - 18.038 AND I DRESSED UP AS A MUMMER,

01:41 - 19.306 AND MIDGE DRESSED UP AS A

01:41 - 19.807 MUMMER.

01:41 - 21.275 WE JOINED THE MUMMERS PARADE.

01:41 - 23.777 WE HAD A SCRAPPLE BREAKFAST AT

01:41 - 25.946 5:00 THAT LAST DAY, AND I

01:41 - 28.182 REMEMBER I DANCED WITH THE

01:41 - 30.851 HATFIELD PORKER -- 'CAUSE HE WAS

01:41 - 33.287 THERE 'CAUSE OF THE SCRAPPLE.

01:41 - 35.289 WE DID SO MANY THINGS.

01:41 - 37.925 WE PLANTED 2,000 TREES ONE HOUR

01:41 - 40.694 IN THE MORNING, AND WE HAD JUST

01:41 - 42.729 ONE -- AT 2:00 ON DECEMBER 31st,

01:41 - 44.398 MIDGE AND I MARRIED 1,000

01:41 - 45.432 COUPLES AT THE

01:41 - 47.201 CONVENTION CENTER -- AGAIN,

01:41 - 48.569 2,000 PEOPLE GETTING

01:41 - 49.303 MARRIED.

01:41 - 50.971 IT WAS A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION.

01:41 - 54.575 AND AT 10:00 AT NIGHT ON THE

01:41 - 58.445 31st, WE HAD A LASER SHOW ON

01:41 - 59.813 SOUTH BROAD STREET, WHERE THE

01:41 - 00.914 AVENUE OF THE ARTS WAS.

01:42 - 04.318 AND WE HAD THESE LASERS BOUNCE

01:42 - 06.286 OFF ALL THE BUILDINGS, AND WE

01:42 - 07.654 HAD MUSIC PIPED IN.

01:42 - 09.723 AND THERE MUST HAVE BEEN 40,000

01:42 - 11.525 PEOPLE ON THE STREET, FROM

01:42 - 12.793 CITY HALL DOWN TO

01:42 - 13.927 LOMBARD STREET.

01:42 - 15.329 AND I REMEMBER I WAS ON THE

01:42 - 20.100 STREET, AND I REMEMBER LIKE IT

01:42 - 21.201 WAS YESTERDAY.

01:42 - 23.270 THERE WERE THREE YOUNG WOMEN WHO

01:42 - 24.705 LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE

01:42 - 26.707 COLLEGE-AGED OR JUST HAD GOTTEN

01:42 - 27.808 OUT OF COLLEGE.

01:42 - 29.810 AND I REMEMBER THEY CAME UP TO

01:42 - 31.712 ME AND SAID, "MAYOR, THIS IS

01:42 - 32.312 GREAT.

01:42 - 34.281 THERE'S NO PLACE IN THE WORLD

01:42 - 35.682 I'D RATHER LIVE THAN

01:42 - 36.783 PHILADELPHIA."

01:42 - 38.285 AND I KNEW WE HAD MADE IT.

01:42 - 39.253 >> [ CHUCKLES ]

01:42 - 41.054 >> I KNEW WE HAD MADE IT, IF

01:42 - 42.856 THESE YUPPIES, PROFESSIONAL,

01:42 - 44.758 YUPPIE WOMEN COULD SAY THAT --

01:42 - 46.426 NO PLACE IN THE WORLD, NOT

01:42 - 48.328 NEW YORK, NOT LOS ANGELES, NOT

01:42 - 49.530 LONDON, YOU KNOW?

01:42 - 50.998 AND I'M NOT KIDDING MYSELF THAT

01:42 - 52.466 EVERYONE FEELS THAT WAY, BUT WE

01:42 - 53.834 HAD TURNED THE CITY AROUND TO

01:42 - 54.535 THAT DEGREE.

01:42 - 55.936 NOW, DOES IT MEAN THAT THE CITY

01:42 - 57.304 DOESN'T HAVE CHALLENGES STILL?

01:42 - 00.741 OF COURSE -- CRIME AND

01:43 - 03.544 UNEMPLOYMENT AND POVERTY AND

01:43 - 04.144 HEALTHCARE.

01:43 - 05.812 THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES

01:43 - 07.548 THE CITY STILL HAS, BUT THIS IS

01:43 - 09.349 A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CITY THAN IT

01:43 - 10.417 WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

01:43 - 12.119 THE FEEL IS DIFFERENT.

01:43 - 13.854 THE LOOK IS DIFFERENT.

01:43 - 15.789 THE VIBRANCY IS DIFFERENT.

01:43 - 17.958 AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, UNDER

01:43 - 19.793 MAYOR NUTTER, OUR CITY'S

01:43 - 21.128 POPULATION GREW.

01:43 - 23.430 YOU KNOW, FOR A BIG CITY, THAT'S

01:43 - 25.132 AN AMAZING TURNAROUND.

01:43 - 27.134 TOLL BROTHERS, THE BEST SUBURBAN

01:43 - 28.802 BUILDER IN THE COUNTRY, IS

01:43 - 30.637 BUILDING TONS OF UNITS INSIDE

01:43 - 31.605 THE CITY NOW.

01:43 - 33.607 PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY.

01:43 - 35.475 VANGUARD -- I REMEMBER, WHEN I

01:43 - 37.311 WAS MAYOR, I TRIED TO CONVINCE

01:43 - 38.745 VANGUARD TO COME IN TO

01:43 - 39.713 PHILADELPHIA.

01:43 - 41.114 I SAID, "WE'LL BUILD YOU THIS

01:43 - 42.416 BUILDING RIGHT WHERE THE --

01:43 - 43.917 ACROSS FROM CITY HALL, WHERE THE

01:43 - 45.452 BUILDING HAD BEEN DESTROYED BY A

01:43 - 45.886 FIRE."

01:43 - 47.321 I SAID, "WE'LL BUILD A BUILDING,

01:43 - 48.689 AND WE'LL CALL IT THE VANGUARD

01:43 - 49.156 TOWER."

01:43 - 50.224 HE WOULDN'T GO IN.

01:43 - 51.892 THE C.E.O. TOLD ME THAT PEOPLE

01:43 - 53.527 JUST DON'T WANT TO WORK IN THE

01:43 - 54.728 CITY.

01:43 - 56.230 AND VANGUARD HAD -- ALL ITS

01:43 - 57.898 YOUNG PEOPLE WOULD LIVE OUT IN

01:43 - 59.499 THE SUBURBS, NEAR WHERE THEIR

01:43 - 00.601 HEADQUARTERS WERE.

01:44 - 02.502 NOW VANGUARD HAS TO RUN A BUS

01:44 - 04.504 SERVICE TO GET THE YOUNG PEOPLE

01:44 - 06.273 WHO LIVE IN THE CITY OUT TO

01:44 - 07.774 THEIR SUBURBAN CAMPUS.

01:44 - 08.775 IT'S HYSTERICAL.

01:44 - 10.510 SO, WHEN THOSE YOUNG GIRLS SAID,

01:44 - 11.878 "THERE'S NO PLACE IN THE

01:44 - 13.614 WORLD --" IN THE EUPHORIA OF THE

01:44 - 15.349 CELEBRATION -- "THERE'S NO PLACE

01:44 - 16.917 IN THE WORLD I'D RATHER LIVE

01:44 - 18.518 THAN PHILADELPHIA," I KNEW WE

01:44 - 19.319 HAD MADE IT.

01:44 - 21.755 AND THAT WAS MY LAST TWO DAYS AS

01:44 - 24.424 MAYOR.

01:44 - 26.159 >> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT

01:44 - 28.061 ABOUT, AS MAYOR, WHAT YOU FACED

01:44 - 28.895 WITH CRIME?

01:44 - 30.564 >> WELL, CRIME WAS A VERY

01:44 - 32.466 SERIOUS PROBLEM, AND IT WAS A

01:44 - 34.434 PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE REALITY

01:44 - 36.403 OF CRIME AND THE PERCEPTION OF

01:44 - 37.004 CRIME.

01:44 - 39.306 SO, THE FIRST THING THAT I DID

01:44 - 41.375 WAS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THE

01:44 - 43.543 PERCEPTION OF CRIME DOWNTOWN

01:44 - 45.646 BECAUSE DOWNTOWN INHERENTLY IS

01:44 - 47.848 THE ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT DRIVES

01:44 - 48.682 THE CITY.

01:44 - 50.183 THAT'S WHERE A HIGH PERCENTAGE

01:44 - 51.718 OF THE JOBS ARE, JOBS THAT ARE

01:44 - 52.919 HELD BY PEOPLE FROM THE

01:44 - 53.754 NEIGHBORHOODS.

01:44 - 56.390 YOU NEED TO PRESERVE DOWNTOWN

01:44 - 57.424 AND MAKE IT SAFE.

01:44 - 59.293 THE WHOLE POINT OF THESE

01:44 - 01.428 WEDNESDAY NIGHT OUTS AND THE

01:45 - 03.530 FESTIVALS AND THE FUN THINGS

01:45 - 05.599 THAT WE DID DOWNTOWN -- THE

01:45 - 07.367 AVENUE OF THE ARTS -- WAS TO

01:45 - 09.269 ATTRACT PEOPLE NOT ONLY TO LIVE

01:45 - 11.204 IN DOWNTOWN PHILADELPHIA -- AND

01:45 - 12.973 WE'VE BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL

01:45 - 14.941 THERE -- I THINK WE'VE GONE FROM

01:45 - 16.910 58,000 PEOPLE IN OUR DOWNTOWN TO

01:45 - 21.481 WELL OVER 120,000 NOW -- BUT

01:45 - 23.050 MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO GET PEOPLE

01:45 - 24.651 TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN, TO SPEND

01:45 - 26.119 MONEY IN DOWNTOWN, TO SHOP IN

01:45 - 27.387 DOWNTOWN, TO RECREATE IN

01:45 - 28.755 DOWNTOWN, TO EAT DOWNTOWN.

01:45 - 32.626 AND YOU NEEDED THE PERCEPTION OF

01:45 - 33.627 SAFETY.

01:45 - 35.996 THAT'S WHY THE DOWNTOWN

01:45 - 37.564 CENTER CITY DISTRICT WAS SO

01:45 - 39.366 IMPORTANT, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY

01:45 - 41.101 PUT IN PLACE THE YEAR BEFORE I

01:45 - 42.869 BECAME MAYOR, BY RON RUBIN, THE

01:45 - 44.171 GREAT BUSINESSMAN, AND

01:45 - 45.739 PAUL LEVY, WHO'S BEEN THEIR

01:45 - 47.407 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND DOES A

01:45 - 48.342 MARVELOUS JOB.

01:45 - 51.378 THEY HAD THE UNIFORMED PEOPLE

01:45 - 54.147 WHO WENT AROUND AS SERVICE

01:45 - 55.215 REPRESENTATIVES.

01:45 - 57.050 THEY DIDN'T CARRY GUNS OR CLUBS

01:45 - 58.885 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY

01:45 - 00.454 HAD PHONES, AND THEY COULD

01:46 - 02.089 CONTACT POLICE IMMEDIATELY.

01:46 - 03.924 AND THEY GAVE, AGAIN, THE LEVEL

01:46 - 04.758 OF SECURITY.

01:46 - 06.593 YOU COULD GO TO THEM FOR ADVICE

01:46 - 08.161 OR GUIDANCE OR DIRECTIONS,

01:46 - 09.296 THINGS LIKE THAT.

01:46 - 10.464 WE WOULD, WHEN WE HAD A

01:46 - 12.032 CONVENTION IN TOWN, LINE THEM UP

01:46 - 13.367 WHEN THE CONVENTIONERS WERE

01:46 - 14.935 COMING OUT OF CONVENTION HALL TO

01:46 - 16.303 GIVE THEM A SENSE OF SAFETY.

01:46 - 18.071 BUT WE ALSO INCREASED THE LEVEL

01:46 - 19.673 OF POLICE DOWNTOWN, AND THAT

01:46 - 20.707 WORKED FAMOUSLY.

01:46 - 22.809 DOWNTOWN WENT FROM BEING A

01:46 - 25.278 LITERAL GHOST TOWN TO BEING THE

01:46 - 27.781 THRIVING PLACE THAT IT IS TODAY,

01:46 - 29.316 IN GREAT PART BECAUSE PEOPLE NOT

01:46 - 30.650 ONLY THOUGHT IT WAS FUN AND

01:46 - 32.185 THERE WERE GREAT RESTAURANTS AND

01:46 - 33.720 GREAT ARTS AND CULTURE, BUT THAT

01:46 - 35.055 THERE WAS A SENSE OF SAFETY

01:46 - 36.757 DOWNTOWN.

01:46 - 38.625 THE NEIGHBORHOODS -- OBVIOUSLY,

01:46 - 40.360 IT WAS MORE DIFFICULT THERE.

01:46 - 42.195 IT WAS PERCEPTION AND REALITY.

01:46 - 44.064 AND I MADE A MISTAKE INITIALLY.

01:46 - 45.532 WE GOT A BIG BOOST WHEN

01:46 - 47.401 PRESIDENT CLINTON DID THE CRIME

01:46 - 47.934 BILL.

01:46 - 49.970 AND YOU MAY RECALL, THE CRIME

01:46 - 52.139 BILL WAS TO PUT 100,000 COPS ON

01:46 - 53.840 THE STREETS OF AMERICA.

01:46 - 55.809 AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD

01:46 - 57.811 PAY A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE POLICE

01:46 - 59.613 SALARIES FOR THREE YEARS, BUT

01:46 - 01.615 THE FOURTH YEAR, THE FEDERAL AID

01:47 - 02.516 DROPPED OUT.

01:47 - 04.418 WELL, I LOOKED AT OUR POSITION,

01:47 - 06.319 AND WE HAD ALREADY BALANCED OUR

01:47 - 06.853 BUDGET.

01:47 - 08.388 THIS WAS THE SECOND YEAR THAT I

01:47 - 09.055 WAS MAYOR.

01:47 - 10.557 SO, WE TOOK THE MAXIMUM NUMBER

01:47 - 12.459 OF POLICE WE COULD GET.

01:47 - 14.628 WE GOT 1,000 POLICE THAT WE

01:47 - 17.063 HIRED IN THREE OR FOUR CLASSES,

01:47 - 20.467 AND WE WENT FROM 6,200 POLICE TO

01:47 - 23.870 7,200 POLICE -- A HUGE INCREASE.

01:47 - 25.672 THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD A GREAT

01:47 - 26.339 EFFECT.

01:47 - 28.308 AND IT DID TO A DEGREE BECAUSE,

01:47 - 30.210 BY REQUIREMENT OF THE ACT, ALL

01:47 - 32.245 THOSE POLICE HAD TO BE COMMUNITY

01:47 - 34.147 POLICE, MEANING THEY HAD TO BE

01:47 - 36.049 ON PATROL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,

01:47 - 37.150 MOSTLY ON FOOT.

01:47 - 38.985 SO, THEY HELPED WITH THE

01:47 - 41.755 PERCEPTION, BUT THEY DIDN'T HELP

01:47 - 44.324 ENTIRELY WITH REDUCING CRIME.

01:47 - 45.725 I'D ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE

01:47 - 47.227 BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS WE DIDN'T

01:47 - 48.528 HAVE ENOUGH POLICE, AND I

01:47 - 49.930 THOUGHT WE HAD SOLVED THAT.

01:47 - 51.965 AND IN FACT, I HAD BUDGETED SO

01:47 - 54.067 THAT, WHEN THE FOURTH YEAR CAME

01:47 - 55.569 AND THE FEDERAL MONEY

01:47 - 57.671 DISAPPEARED, WE HAD ENOUGH CITY

01:47 - 59.840 MONEY TO ABSORB ALL 1,000 EXTRA.

01:47 - 01.708 WE DIDN'T DO ANY LAYOFFS ONCE WE

01:48 - 03.443 LOST THE FEDERAL MONEY, WHICH

01:48 - 04.211 WAS GREAT.

01:48 - 05.979 BUT CRIME RATES STILL WERE TOO

01:48 - 07.314 HIGH IN PHILADELPHIA.

01:48 - 08.682 WE HAD HAD GOOD POLICE

01:48 - 09.649 COMMISSIONERS.

01:48 - 11.151 MY FIRST COMMISSIONER WAS

01:48 - 12.219 WILLIE WILLIAMS.

01:48 - 13.854 MY SECOND WAS RICHARD NEAL.

01:48 - 15.355 BUT THEY WERE CONVENTIONAL

01:48 - 16.990 POLICE COMMISSIONERS WHO DID

01:48 - 18.258 BUSINESS THE OLD WAY.

01:48 - 20.160 I WAS SORT OF PUSHED A LITTLE

01:48 - 22.128 BIT BY DWIGHT EVANS, THE STATE

01:48 - 25.665 REPRESENTATIVE, TO TALK ABOUT

01:48 - 27.367 AND TO LOOK AT WHAT NEW YORK HAD

01:48 - 27.834 DONE.

01:48 - 29.736 NEW YORK HAD DONE A LOT OF

01:48 - 31.538 THINGS WITH THIS SORT OF

01:48 - 33.440 TARGETING, USING POLICE TO

01:48 - 34.908 TARGET CRIME AREAS.

01:48 - 36.710 AND SO I FINALLY REACHED OUT TO

01:48 - 38.445 BILL BRATTON, WHO HAD BEEN THE

01:48 - 40.247 NEW YORK POLICE COMMISSIONER --

01:48 - 41.281 VERY SUCCESSFUL.

01:48 - 43.149 IN FACT, MAYOR DE BLASIO JUST

01:48 - 44.584 HIRED HIM BACK AGAIN.

01:48 - 45.952 BUT AT THAT TIME, BILL WAS A

01:48 - 47.521 CONSULTANT, SO I BROUGHT HIM IN,

01:48 - 48.855 AND I SPENT A DAY WITH HIM.

01:48 - 50.857 AND WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF

01:48 - 52.659 POLICE WE HAD, THE LEVEL OF

01:48 - 53.693 CRIME WE HAD.

01:48 - 55.629 AND HE SAID, "YOU NEED A NEW

01:48 - 56.463 APPROACH.

01:48 - 58.632 YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH POLICE BY FAR,

01:48 - 00.634 BUT YOU NEED A NEW APPROACH."

01:49 - 02.903 AND HE DESCRIBED TO ME WHAT THEY

01:49 - 04.871 DID IN NEW YORK, WHERE THEY

01:49 - 06.873 HAD -- POLICE COMMANDERS

01:49 - 09.309 REPORTED ON CRIME EVERY DAY TO

01:49 - 10.477 THE COMMISSIONER, DIRECTLY TO

01:49 - 11.678 THE COMMISSIONER, THE CAPTAINS

01:49 - 12.579 OF ALL THE DISTRICTS.

01:49 - 14.180 AND THEY KEPT SPECIFIC

01:49 - 15.849 STATISTICS, DISTRICT BY

01:49 - 16.683 DISTRICT.

01:49 - 18.585 AND WHEN THOSE CRIMES SPIKED,

01:49 - 20.453 THEY RE-ALLOCATED FORCES AND

01:49 - 22.489 CHANGED THE WAY THEY PATROLLED.

01:49 - 25.125 AND IT WAS ENORMOUSLY SUCCESSFUL

01:49 - 27.594 IN NEW YORK IN REDUCING CRIME.

01:49 - 29.629 SO, I SAID, "WELL, I THINK I'D

01:49 - 31.665 LIKE TO DO THIS, BUT MY POLICE

01:49 - 33.633 DEPARTMENT IS PRETTY STUCK IN

01:49 - 35.368 THE OLD WAY OF POLICING."

01:49 - 36.903 AND BILL BRATTON SAID, "WELL,

01:49 - 38.572 YOU NEED A NEW COMMISSIONER, AND

01:49 - 40.240 I'VE GOT A PERFECT IDEA FOR YOU.

01:49 - 44.344 JOHN TIMONEY, WHO WAS MY FIRST

01:49 - 46.713 DEPUTY WHEN I WAS COMMISSIONER,

01:49 - 49.115 IS STILL IN THE NEW YORK FORCE,

01:49 - 51.618 BUT HE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE OVER A

01:49 - 53.687 BIG-CITY POLICE FORCE LIKE

01:49 - 54.955 PHILADELPHIA."

01:49 - 57.257 SO, I CONTACTED JOHN TIMONEY.

01:49 - 59.059 WE TALKED FOR A WHILE.

01:49 - 00.860 I KNEW IMMEDIATELY THAT HE HAD

01:50 - 02.529 THE ENERGY AND THE VERVE AND

01:50 - 04.364 THIS NEW TYPE OF TARGETING THAT

01:50 - 06.199 WAS NECESSARY TO CHANGE THINGS.

01:50 - 07.133 AND WE HIRED

01:50 - 08.568 COMMISSIONER TIMONEY.

01:50 - 10.437 HE CAME ON BOARD, DID A GREAT

01:50 - 11.304 JOB FOR US.

01:50 - 13.340 CRIME WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN

01:50 - 15.075 PHILADELPHIA DURING MY LAST

01:50 - 16.509 2 1/2 YEARS AS MAYOR.

01:50 - 18.144 JOHN TIMONEY GOT RAVE REVIEWS,

01:50 - 19.412 THE WAY WE HANDLED THE

01:50 - 20.981 REPUBLICAN CONVENTION AND THE

01:50 - 22.616 DEMONSTRATORS AND ALL OF THAT.

01:50 - 24.351 AND HE JUST WAS A FIRST-CLASS

01:50 - 26.186 COMMISSIONER AND HE PUT IN THIS

01:50 - 27.754 NEW PROGRAM AND IT WORKED.

01:50 - 29.055 AND IT WORKED.

01:50 - 31.558 PERFECT EXAMPLE OF IT WAS IN THE

01:50 - 36.429 FALL OF, I THINK, '99, PENN HAD

01:50 - 38.765 A RASH IN SEPTEMBER -- THE FIRST

01:50 - 41.101 MONTH OF SCHOOL -- HAD A RASH OF

01:50 - 43.269 ROBBERIES AROUND OUTDOOR ATMs

01:50 - 44.471 LATE AT NIGHT.

01:50 - 46.906 PENN KIDS WOULD GO OUT DRINKING,

01:50 - 48.975 AND THEN THEY'D NEED CASH.

01:50 - 51.011 SO, AT 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 AT

01:50 - 52.612 NIGHT, THEY'D GO TO THESE

01:50 - 53.546 OUTDOOR ATMs.

01:50 - 55.815 AND THERE WERE AS MANY AS 30, 31

01:50 - 57.851 ROBBERIES, AND, IN FACT, ONE

01:50 - 00.020 HOMICIDE OCCURRED EITHER ON OR

01:51 - 01.621 NEAR THE PENN CAMPUS.

01:51 - 03.957 AND IT CAUSED A GREAT UPROAR.

01:51 - 09.095 THE PARENTS WERE ALL UP IN ARMS.

01:51 - 11.364 SO, WE APPLIED NEW RESOURCES,

01:51 - 13.633 BUT WE DID IT IN A SMART WAY.

01:51 - 15.669 WE PUT PLAINCLOTHES POLICE

01:51 - 17.871 AROUND IN WEST PHILADELPHIA,

01:51 - 20.040 RIGHT AROUND THE UNIVERSITY.

01:51 - 22.275 AND THE PLAINCLOTHES POLICE SORT

01:51 - 24.411 OF HUNG NEAR THE OUTDOOR ATMs.

01:51 - 26.579 AND THEY CAUGHT A GROUP OF FIVE

01:51 - 28.148 MALES IN THE MIDST OF

01:51 - 30.216 STRONG-ARMING SOMEONE WHO HAD

01:51 - 32.385 JUST TAKEN CASH OUT OF THE ATM.

01:51 - 34.287 AND THEY ARRESTED THEM, BROUGHT

01:51 - 35.889 THEM IN, QUESTIONED THEM.

01:51 - 38.158 TURNS OUT THAT THOSE GROUP OF

01:51 - 40.593 FIVE YOUNG MEN WERE RESPONSIBLE

01:51 - 42.796 FOR 95% OF ALL THE ROBBERIES

01:51 - 44.197 THAT TOOK PLACE.

01:51 - 46.132 AND AS SOON AS WE CAUGHT THEM --

01:51 - 48.735 BOOM -- THE CRIME HAD BEEN

01:51 - 50.036 DISSIPATED.

01:51 - 51.838 IT ALMOST FADED AWAY ENTIRELY.

01:51 - 54.074 SO, I MADE A MISTAKE IN MY EARLY

01:51 - 56.142 DAYS AS MAYOR IN THINKING THAT

01:51 - 57.944 JUST PURE NUMBERS WAS THE

01:51 - 58.678 ANSWER.

01:51 - 59.679 AND IT WASN'T NUMBERS.

01:51 - 01.047 IT WAS THE WAY AND THE MANNER IN

01:52 - 02.415 WHICH YOU DEPLOYED THEM THAT WAS

01:52 - 03.016 THE ANSWER.

01:52 - 04.284 >> HOW WAS JOHN TIMONEY RECEIVED

01:52 - 05.318 BY THE REST OF THE POLICE

01:52 - 06.486 DEPARTMENT IF HE WAS COMING IN

01:52 - 07.353 AND CHANGING THINGS?

01:52 - 09.856 >> INITIALLY, THERE WAS SOME

01:52 - 11.458 RESISTANCE BECAUSE IT WAS A NEW

01:52 - 12.592 WAY OF DOING THINGS.

01:52 - 14.160 INITIALLY, THERE WAS SOME

01:52 - 15.028 RESISTANCE.

01:52 - 16.796 BUT JOHN, BY THE FORCE OF HIS

01:52 - 18.598 PERSONALITY, BY THE FACT THAT

01:52 - 20.300 HIS METHODS STARTED TO MAKE

01:52 - 22.068 SENSE, THAT WE STARTED TO SEE

01:52 - 23.703 THE RESULTS, THAT CITIZENS

01:52 - 25.672 STARTED TO BE SAYING NICE THINGS

01:52 - 27.440 ABOUT THE POLICE, HE WON THEM

01:52 - 27.974 OVER.

01:52 - 29.375 AND BY THE TIME HE LEFT, I THINK

01:52 - 30.677 HE WAS A FAIRLY POPULAR POLICE

01:52 - 31.344 COMMISSIONER.

01:52 - 33.012 >> WERE THERE PARTS OF THE CITY

01:52 - 34.714 AND ARE THERE STILL PARTS OF THE

01:52 - 36.382 CITY THAT THE POLICE JUST DON'T

01:52 - 38.084 RULE, LIKE IT'S RUN BY GANGS AND

01:52 - 39.652 THE POLICE MAY DRIVE THROUGH,

01:52 - 41.354 BUT AS SOON AS THEY'RE GONE, THE

01:52 - 42.589 GANGS TAKE OVER AGAIN?

01:52 - 49.262 >> WELL, I THINK THAT CHANGES...

01:52 - 50.897 YEAR TO YEAR.

01:52 - 52.766 I THINK THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME

01:52 - 54.367 LOCATIONS WHERE THE GANG

01:52 - 56.369 ACTIVITY -- AND WHEN I SAY GANG

01:52 - 58.138 ACTIVITY -- PEOPLE THINK OF

01:52 - 59.472 GANGS AS TEENAGERS.

01:52 - 01.508 GANGS CAN BE JUST GROUPS OF

01:53 - 03.777 CRIMINALS, AND THEY CAN BE DRUG

01:53 - 06.045 DEALERS, GANGS OF DRUG DEALERS.

01:53 - 07.781 THEY CAN BE -- WE WERE TALKING

01:53 - 09.249 ABOUT THE MAFIA OFF AIR.

01:53 - 15.188 WELL, THEY COULD BE THE MAFIA OF

01:53 - 17.023 ONE PARTICULAR ETHNIC GROUP, THE

01:53 - 19.559 RUSSIAN MAFIA, THE JAMAICAN

01:53 - 21.327 MAFIA, ET CETERA.

01:53 - 22.996 AND THEY CAN GET STRONGHOLDS IN

01:53 - 23.897 NEIGHBORHOODS.

01:53 - 26.366 BUT EVENTUALLY, BECAUSE OF THE

01:53 - 28.735 WAY WE DO POLICING NOW, WHERE

01:53 - 30.203 THEY BEGIN TO TAKE OVER A

01:53 - 31.838 NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN TARGET

01:53 - 33.606 EXTRA RESOURCES THERE, AND THEY

01:53 - 34.440 MOVE AROUND.

01:53 - 36.676 IT'S A MATTER OF SORT OF CHASING

01:53 - 37.277 THEM.

01:53 - 39.379 WE USED TO HAVE AN AREA CALLED

01:53 - 41.381 THE BADLANDS -- AND IT STILL

01:53 - 43.249 EXISTS -- IN EASTERN NORTH

01:53 - 44.350 PHILADELPHIA.

01:53 - 46.286 AND THE BADLANDS USED TO BE AN

01:53 - 48.188 AREA THAT FIT THAT, YOU KNOW,

01:53 - 50.190 DEFINITION THAT YOU CARVED OUT.

01:53 - 51.624 BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN

01:53 - 53.092 PROGRESS MADE THERE, TOO.

01:53 - 55.228 SO, IT'S -- YOU'RE NEVER GONNA

01:53 - 57.130 TOTALLY CURE CRIME BECAUSE

01:53 - 59.399 POLICE AND PROSECUTORS CAN'T GET

01:53 - 01.467 AT THE UNDERLYING THINGS THAT

01:54 - 02.502 CAUSE CRIME.

01:54 - 04.571 BUT THEY CAN CONTROL IT TO AN

01:54 - 05.305 EXTENT.

01:54 - 06.773 AND TO AN EXTENT, WE'VE BEGUN

01:54 - 07.607 CONTROLLING IT.

01:54 - 09.209 I THINK CHIEF RAMSEY HAS DONE --

01:54 - 10.743 OUR CURRENT POLICE COMMISSIONER

01:54 - 11.845 HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

01:54 - 13.179 YOU'VE SEEN THE LEVEL OF

01:54 - 14.814 HOMICIDES GO DOWN DRAMATICALLY

01:54 - 16.482 IN 2013.

01:54 - 18.484 I THINK COMMISSIONER RAMSEY HAS

01:54 - 20.153 DONE A GOOD JOB, WITH THE

01:54 - 22.188 MAYOR'S BACKING, OF CONTROLLING

01:54 - 22.789 CRIME.

01:54 - 25.291 IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD TO MAKE

01:54 - 27.627 IT A CRIME-FREE CITY, BUT YOU

01:54 - 30.129 CAN REDUCE IT TO LEVEL THAT IS,

01:54 - 34.133 IF NOT TOLERABLE, THAT IS LESS

01:54 - 35.535 DEMORALIZING TO A COMMUNITY.

01:54 - 37.103 >> NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT

01:54 - 38.404 THE WHOLE CRIMINAL-JUSTICE

01:54 - 39.873 SYSTEM, I MEAN, WHEN YOU WERE

01:54 - 43.309 MAYOR AND NOW, FROM POLICING TO

01:54 - 45.111 ARRESTING TO PUTTING ON TRIAL TO

01:54 - 46.679 INCARCERATING OR PUTTING ON

01:54 - 47.380 PROBATION?

01:54 - 49.048 >> WELL, WE'RE STARTING TO BE

01:54 - 49.682 SMARTER.

01:54 - 51.284 AND BY SMARTER, WE'RE STARTING

01:54 - 52.886 TO -- AND IT STARTED DURING MY

01:54 - 53.653 TIME AS D.A.

01:54 - 54.954 I WAS THE FIRST DISTRICT

01:54 - 56.322 ATTORNEY TO TAKE OVER THE

01:54 - 57.757 CHARGING FUNCTION FROM THE

01:54 - 58.291 POLICE.

01:54 - 00.059 AND THAT HELPED BECAUSE WE WOULD

01:55 - 01.661 CHARGE PEOPLE WITH THE RIGHT

01:55 - 02.228 CRIMES.

01:55 - 03.830 WE WOULDN'T OVERCHARGE THEM.

01:55 - 05.465 WE WOULD LET A LOT OF CASES

01:55 - 07.300 JUST -- NOT EVEN GO TO TRIAL --

01:55 - 08.568 JUST END THEM AT THE

01:55 - 10.136 PRELIMINARY-HEARING LEVEL.

01:55 - 12.438 LESS CASES INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT

01:55 - 14.607 MORE IMPORTANT CASES INTO THE

01:55 - 16.743 SYSTEM, MORE EMPHASIS ON THE

01:55 - 18.912 SERIOUS REPEAT OFFENDER, LESS

01:55 - 21.915 EMPHASIS ON SOMEONE WHO MAY BE

01:55 - 23.549 ARRESTED FOR POSSESSION OF

01:55 - 25.218 MARIJUANA, BUT WHO CLEARLY

01:55 - 27.020 WASN'T A DEALER, BUT WAS JUST

01:55 - 28.755 USING MARIJUANA, THINGS LIKE

01:55 - 29.289 THAT.

01:55 - 31.024 SO, I THINK THE SYSTEM HAS

01:55 - 32.058 BECOME WISER.

01:55 - 33.927 I THINK OUR CURRENT DISTRICT

01:55 - 35.762 ATTORNEY, SETH WILLIAMS, HAS

01:55 - 37.864 DONE A VERY GOOD JOB GOING AFTER

01:55 - 39.666 THE RIGHT TYPE OF CASES AND

01:55 - 41.467 PUTTING THE EMPHASIS IN HIS

01:55 - 43.336 OFFICE ON THE VIOLENT REPEAT

01:55 - 44.170 OFFENDERS.

01:55 - 45.571 SO, I THINK THE SYSTEM IS

01:55 - 46.205 SMARTER.

01:55 - 47.507 IT'S STILL NOT PERFECT.

01:55 - 49.375 IT'S STILL CHOKED BY ITS

01:55 - 50.276 QUANTITY.

01:55 - 52.645 IF WE HAD LESS NUMBER OF CRIMES,

01:55 - 54.948 WE COULD DISPOSE OF THE ONES WE

01:55 - 57.183 HAVE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY AND

01:55 - 58.284 EFFICIENTLY.

01:55 - 00.353 THERE'S STILL TOO MUCH

01:56 - 03.189 PLEA-BARGAINING, BUT THE JUSTICE

01:56 - 05.892 SYSTEM, OVERALL, HAS IMPROVED.

01:56 - 08.127 >> WHAT COULD YOU DO ABOUT

01:56 - 08.928 GANGS?

01:56 - 10.930 AND WE MENTIONED GANGS.

01:56 - 12.699 AND WERE THERE TEENAGE GANGS AND

01:56 - 13.833 NEIGHBORHOOD GANGS?

01:56 - 15.301 AND DID YOU HAVE A SPECIAL

01:56 - 16.336 APPROACH TO THEM?

01:56 - 17.403 >> WELL, YOU CAN.

01:56 - 19.038 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CURRENTLY

01:56 - 20.573 BEING DONE IN PHILADELPHIA.

01:56 - 22.075 YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF GANG

01:56 - 23.710 CONTROL OFFICERS AND A LOT OF