PA Supreme Court session (5.18.22) from Philadelphia, celebrating the 300th anniversary of the court
00:00 - HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE MAY
00:02 - 2022 ORAL ARGUMENT SESSION OF
00:04 - THE SUPREME COURT OF
00:05 - PENNSYLVANIA. I AM TURNING JOHN
00:07 - HAIR
00:08 - FROM PHILADELPHIA. AND I'M
00:09 - GOING TO PREVIEW FOR YOU THE 5
00:11 - CASES YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR
00:13 - ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT
00:14 - TODAY. BUT I'D FIRST LIKE TO
00:16 - TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE
00:17 - COURT ITSELF. THIS SUPREME
00:20 - COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA AS ITS
00:21 - NAME SUGGESTS IS THE HIGHEST
00:23 - COURT IN PENNSYLVANIA.
00:25 - IT CONSISTS OF 7 JUSTICES WHO
00:27 - ARE ELECTED IN STATEWIDE
00:29 - ELECTIONS FOR 10 YEAR TERMS.
00:32 - THEY THEN STAND FOR WHAT ARE
00:34 - CALLED
00:34 - RETENTION ELECTIONS WHICH IS
00:36 - ESSENTIALLY A THUMBS UP OR
00:37 - THUMBS DOWN VOTE OF THE
00:38 - ELECTORATE ON WHETHER THE
00:39 - JUSTICE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE
00:41 - FOR ANOTHER 10 YEAR.
00:42 - TERM, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 4
00:45 - MALE AND 3 FEMALE JUSTICES ON
00:47 - THE COURT AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE
00:49 - IS MAX BAER FROM PITTSBURGH.
00:51 - BUT THE COURT IS A LOT MORE
00:52 - THAN ITS
00:53 - STRUCTURAL DETAILS. IT IS THE
00:55 - OLDEST APPELLATE COURT IN NORTH
00:57 - AMERICA. IT TRACES ITS HISTORY
00:59 - BACK TO A STATUTE IN 1722.
01:03 - MAY
01:04 - 22ND, 1722 ACTUALLY WHICH MEANS
01:07 - THAT THIS COMING SUNDAY THE
01:08 - COURT TURNS
01:09 - 300 YEARS OLD. THE COURT
01:11 - ACTUALLY TRACES ITS ROOTS BACK
01:13 - TO 1684 AND WILLIAM PENN WHEN
01:15 - HE ARRIVED HERE IN
01:17 - 1681. BUT THE STATUTE IN 1722
01:20 - IS WHAT WE'RE CELEBRATING
01:22 - BECAUSE THAT FORMALLY CREATED
01:23 - THE COURT AND THAT IS WHY WE
01:24 - ARE HERE IN OLD CITY
01:26 - OLD CITY HALL WHICH IS A
01:28 - COMPONENT OF THE INDEPENDENCE
01:30 - HALL COMPLEX AND THERE'S A 2
01:33 - DAY EVENT AT THE NEIGHBORING A
01:34 - NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER
01:36 - TO CELEBRATE THE COURTS ARE
01:38 - REALLY REMARKABLE HISTORY.
01:40 - THE COURT GETS FROM
01:43 - THOUSANDS OF LITIGANTS EACH
01:44 - YEAR TO
01:45 - ACCEPT APPEALS. BUT 7 JUSTICES
01:48 - OBVIOUSLY CANNOT HANDLE THAT
01:49 - MANY APPEAL SO THEY SELECT A
01:51 - HANDFUL OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
01:53 - CASES. THEY TAKE A HANDFUL OF
01:55 - THOSE CASES AND THEY ALLOW ORAL
01:57 - ARGUMENT IN THOSE CASES
01:59 - IN YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR 5 OF
02:00 - THOSE CASES TODAY, THE FIRST
02:02 - CASE YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IS
02:04 - CALLED COMMONWEALTH OF
02:05 - PENNSYLVANIA VERSE JET COM JOE
02:07 - KWAN HUMPHREY
02:08 - AND WHEN YOU SEE THE
02:09 - COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA IN
02:11 - THE NAME OF A CASE THAT
02:12 - TYPICALLY MEANS THAT IT'S A
02:13 - CRIMINAL CASE, NOT ALWAYS BUT
02:15 - GENERALLY AND THIS IS A
02:17 - CRIMINAL CASE. IT STEMS FROM
02:19 - THESE FACTS IN 2017. THE
02:22 - DEFENDANT MISTER HUMPHREY WAS
02:24 - A PRISONER WHEN HE ALLEGEDLY
02:26 - THREW URINE AND SPIT ON A
02:28 - CORRECTIONS OFFICER. HE WAS
02:30 - CHARGED WITH AGGRAVATED
02:32 - HARASSMENT BY PRISONER.
02:34 - AFTER A
02:35 - PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION. THE
02:37 - TRIAL COURT RULED THAT MR.
02:39 - HUMPHREY WAS NOT MENTALLY
02:41 - COMPETENT TO
02:41 - STAND TRIAL. THE TRIAL COURT
02:44 - ORDERED MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
02:46 - BUT BECAUSE MISTER HUMPHREY
02:47 - WAS A PRISONER OF THE STATE
02:49 - HOSPITAL WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE
02:51 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT.
02:52 - ANOTHER ONE AND A HALF YEARS
02:54 - PAST. IN 2020.
02:56 - THE TRIAL COURT DISMISSED THE
02:58 - CHARGES AGAINST MISTER HUMPHREY
03:00 - FINDING THAT HE WAS NOT LIKELY
03:02 - TO
03:02 - REGAIN CONFIDENCE. THE
03:04 - DISMISSAL WAS BASED ON A
03:06 - PARTICULAR STATUTE OF THE
03:07 - MENTAL HEALTH PROCEDURES
03:09 - PENNSYLVANIA STATUTE AND THE
03:12 - LANGUAGE OF THAT STATUTORY
03:13 - PROVISION IS IMPORTANCE I'M
03:15 - GOING TO READ IT VERY BRIEFLY
03:16 - IT'S SECTION 7 '04, 7, 4, 3 E
03:19 - OF THE MENTAL HEALTH
03:20 - PROCEDURES ACT. IT SAYS WHEN
03:22 - THE COURT DETERMINES THAT SUCH
03:24 - PERSON HERE MISTER HUMPHREY HAS
03:26 - REGAINED HIS CONFIDENCE TO
03:28 - PROCEED. THE PROCEEDING SHALL
03:30 - BE REZONED IF THE COURT IS OF
03:32 - THE OPINION THAT BY REASON OF
03:34 - THE PASSAGE OF TIME AND IT'S A
03:35 - FACT UPON THE CRIMINAL
03:37 - PROCEEDINGS, IT WOULD BE UNJUST
03:39 - TO PRINT TO RESUME
03:40 - THE PROSECUTION. THE COURT MAY
03:42 - DISMISS THE CHARGE IN ORDER THE
03:44 - PERSON DISCHARGE
03:45 - THAT WAS THE BASIS ON WHICH THE
03:47 - CHARGES AGAINST MISTER HUMPHREY
03:48 - WERE DISMISSED. THE
03:50 - COMMONWEALTH THAT'S THE
03:51 - PROSECUTOR APPEALED
03:53 - THAT DISMISSAL. THE SUPERIOR
03:56 - COURT WHICH IS THE NEST NEXT
03:57 - LEVEL APPELLATE COURT ABOVE THE
03:59 - TRIAL COURT BUT BELOW THE
04:00 - SUPREME COURT. WE REVERSED THE
04:03 - TRIAL COURT'S DISMISSAL AND
04:05 - REINSTATED THE CHARGES BASED
04:07 - ON.
04:09 - PRIOR DECISIONS OF THE
04:10 - SUPERIOR COURT WHICH HELD THAT
04:12 - 7, 4 '03 AUTHORIZES DISMISSAL.
04:16 - ONLY IF THE DEFENDANT IS FIRST
04:17 - INCOMPETENT AND
04:19 - THEN REGAINS CONFIDENCE BUT TOO
04:21 - MUCH TIME HAS PASSED TO ALLOW
04:23 - THE PROSECUTION IN OTHER WORDS
04:25 - DEFENDANT MUST REGAIN
04:27 - CONFIDENCE BEFORE THE CHARGES
04:28 - CAN BE DISMISSED. THE SUPREME
04:30 - COURT HAS NOW ALLOWED AN APPEAL
04:32 - TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE TRIAL
04:34 - COURT CAN DISMISS UNDER SECTION
04:36 - 74 '03 WHERE THE DEFENDANT IS
04:39 - SEVERELY INCOMPETENT AND THE
04:41 - PASSAGE OF TIME ALONE. RENDERS
04:43 - THE PROSECUTION AND JUST LET'S
04:45 - GO TO THE COURTROOM NOW TO HEAR
04:47 - THE ARGUMENT.
04:48 - WE ARE WILL THE CHIEF
04:50 - JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT
04:52 - OF PENNSYLVANIA.
04:55 - OH YEA OH YEA
04:57 - OH YEA.
04:58 - ALL MEN ARE PERSONS WHO STAND
04:59 - BOUND BY RECONNAISSANCE OR WHO
05:01 - OTHERWISE HAVE BUSINESS BEFORE
05:02 - THIS COURT ME NOW HERE AND THEY
05:03 - SHALL BE HEARD. GOD SAVE THE
05:05 - COMMONWEALTH AND THIS HONORABLE
05:06 - COURT PLEASE BE SEATED.
05:29 - GOOD MORNING BEFORE YOU
05:30 - BEGIN.
05:32 - THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE
05:34 - THE COURT IS THRILLED. TO
05:37 - CELEBRATE ITS 3100TH
05:39 - ANNIVERSARY.
05:41 - WHICH IS ACTUALLY MAY 22ND.
05:43 - BUT THE CELEBRATIONS TODAY
05:44 - TOMORROW AND FRIDAY.
05:47 - HERE IN THESE WONDERFULLY
05:48 - HISTORIC.
05:50 - BUILDINGS FOR OUR NATION'S
05:51 - FIRST PLACE. WE THANK THE.
05:57 - MARSHALS IN OFFICIALS THAT RUN
06:00 - THE.
06:01 - COMPLEX HERE WITH INDEPENDENCE
06:04 - HALL THIS HISTORIC COURTROOM.
06:06 - WELL, NOBODY SITS ANY LONGER.
06:10 - AND FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE.
06:13 - HARKENING BACK TO THE FACT THAT
06:15 - WE'RE 70 YEARS OLDER THAN US
06:17 - SUPREME COURT.
06:19 - AND OUR MEMBERS AND
06:22 - GREAT THINKERS WE'RE VERY MUCH
06:24 - INVOLVED WITH THE WRITING OF
06:26 - THE DECLARATION OF
06:27 - INDEPENDENCE, THE WRITING OF
06:28 - THE CONSTITUTION AND THE
06:29 - SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE
06:31 - JUDICIARY. SO AGAIN WE THANK
06:33 - EVERYBODY WITH THE FEDERAL
06:33 - GOVERNMENT THAT ALLOWED IT WE
06:35 - OBVIOUSLY THINK ALL OF OUR
06:36 - WONDERFUL STAFF, THE WORK
06:38 - ENDLESSLY TO MAKE THIS
06:40 - POSSIBLE. WE WILL THANK THEM
06:42 - AGAIN AS I AM.
06:44 - THE CELEBRATION.
06:46 - PROCEEDS TOMORROW AND FRIDAY AT
06:48 - THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION
06:50 - CENTER.
06:51 - I THIS BOB MONGELUZZI MISTER
06:54 - JAIN HERE MISS THERESA FEET
06:56 - THICKENS SACKS. CHIP BAG OR ALL
07:00 - WORK INSTRUMENTAL IN THE
07:01 - PLANNING AND SO MANY OF THE
07:02 - OTHERS THAT ARE HERE AND OUR
07:04 - OWN JUSTICE. ALI MONDAY.
07:05 - AND OUR ODESSA SALLIE MUNDY
07:07 - ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU JUST A
07:09 - SPOT. WITH
07:12 - THAT WE WE'LL
07:13 - SETTLE IN THE BUSINESS IS NOT A
07:15 - CEREMONIAL SESSION, BUT RATHER
07:17 - A A SESSION OF THE COURT TOO
07:19 - HEAR AND DECIDE CASES.
07:22 - THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE BEFORE
07:24 - US.
07:26 - IF I HAD THE CORRECT TOOK OPEN.
07:27 - THANK YOU. IS UP.
07:30 - COMMONWEALTH VERSUS HUMPHREY.
07:33 - THIS
07:33 - APPEAL PRESENTS THE ISSUE OF
07:35 - WHETHER SECTION 7, 4 '03 E AND
07:38 - THE MENTAL HEALTH PROCEDURES
07:40 - THAT AFFORD TO TRIAL QUICKLY
07:42 - DISCRETION.
07:44 - TO DISMISS CRIMINAL CHARGES
07:45 - FILED AGAINST THE DEFENDANT HE
07:47 - WAS INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL
07:48 - IS UNLIKELY TO
07:49 - REGAIN COMPETENCY. IF
07:51 - RECEIVABLE FUTURE ON THE
07:52 - GROUNDS THAT SUCH PROSECUTION
07:54 - WOULD BE UNJUST TO THE PASSAGE
07:56 - OF TIME. THE TRIAL COULD ANSWER
07:58 - THE INQUIRY IN THE AFFIRMATIVE
08:00 - DISMISSED 2 COUNTS OF
08:02 - AGGRAVATED ASSAULT BY A PRISON.
08:04 - THIS FEAR
08:04 - COURT REVERSED. ACCORDING TO
08:06 - THE TRIAL COURT MAY NOT
08:07 - DISMISSED CRIMINAL CHARGES.
08:10 - UNTIL AN INCOMPETENT DEFENDANT
08:12 - REGAINS COMPETENCY.
08:14 - AND THE RESUMPTION OF THE
08:15 - PROSECUTION WOULD BE UNJUST TO
08:17 - THE PASSAGE OF TIME.
08:19 - IF THAT'S A FAIR APPROXIMATION
08:21 - OF WHY
08:21 - WE'RE HERE WHAT YOU PROBABLY
08:23 - PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PROCEED OF
08:25 - A FAIR APPROXIMATION WITH ONE
08:26 - NOTATION OF THE CHARGES THAT
08:28 - ISSUE WERE AGGRAVATED
08:29 - HARASSMENT HIS ALLEGED 5 YEARS
08:31 - AGO
08:31 - TO OUT.
08:33 - AROUND HERE AND ON THE CEO AT
08:35 - I BELIEVE IN SAID BETTER.
08:37 - AND WHEN TRANSFERRED TO SA
08:39 - ROCKY ACROSS THE
08:40 - ROAD THERE SPIT ON ANOTHER CEO
08:43 - ABOUT A MONTH OR 2 LATER.
08:46 - SO IT'S IT'S
08:47 - NOT AGGRAVATED. SO IT'S IT'S A
08:50 - IT'S NOT A FELONY WATER TO
08:52 - OFFENSE FOUND IN 3 EVENTS WE'RE
08:55 - STATUTORY MAXIMUM OF 7 YEARS
08:56 - WHICH IS WHICH OF COURSE IS NOT
08:59 - RELATED TO THE ISSUE BEFORE US
09:00 - IN ANY EVENT WRECKED LEAST GO
09:01 - AHEAD AND PROCEED.
09:04 - A BIT BASICALLY THAT THAT IS
09:06 - FAIR ASSESSMENT THERE WAS A.
09:11 - WE A NOTICE OF.
09:14 - INSANITY AND AS FOR
09:15 - COMPETENCY EVALUATION. COMING
09:17 - OFF THAT AT THE TIME OUR REPORT
09:20 - WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT.
09:22 - WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT
09:24 - THE MAN WAS INCOMPETENT TO
09:26 - PROCEED. HE HAD A LENGTHY
09:27 - HISTORY OF A BIPOLAR DISORDER
09:29 - WITH
09:29 - PSYCHOTIC DELUSIONS. A
09:32 - PERSECUTION COMPLEX SOLUTIONS
09:34 - OF GRAND YEAR. I HAD
09:38 - US.
09:39 - A PROBLEMATIC INDIVIDUAL FOR
09:41 - THE DOT TO COPE WITH IT.
09:43 - THE RECOMMENDATION OF
09:46 - THE PSYCHOLOGIST WAS ACCEPTED
09:47 - THAT HE NEEDED TO BE RESTORED
09:49 - TO COMPETENCY. WE INITIALLY
09:51 - THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD BE DONE
09:52 - WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF
09:53 - CORRECTIONS BUT IT COULD NOT
09:55 - THERE WAS A HERE HEARING A YEAR
09:57 - LATER WHICH THAT CAME
09:59 - TO LIGHT. THE ALTERNATIVE WAS
10:02 - TO TRANSFER HIM TO
10:03 - TORRANCE STATE HOSPITAL FOR THE
10:05 - DHS
10:07 - USE THEIR RESOURCES TO RESTORE
10:08 - HIM TO COMPETENCY BUT IT CAME
10:11 - OUT THAT TORRANCE WOULD NOT
10:12 - ACCEPT HIM UNTIL
10:15 - A PAROLE. WE'RE MAXED OUT OF
10:18 - THE SENTENCE. AT THAT TIME
10:20 - PAROLE. HIS MINIMUM DAY WAS
10:22 - ABOUT TO YEAR 2. A LITTLE OVER
10:24 - 2 YEARS AWAY. HIS MINIMUM DATE
10:26 - WAS SET. IRONICALLY LAST WEEK
10:29 - AND HE STILL IS
10:30 - RESIDING IN THE STATE
10:31 - CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM I BELIEVE
10:33 - HE'S BEEN TRANSFERRED TO
10:34 - PHOENIX FROM SCI GREENE.
10:37 - THE COURT AFTER HEARING THIS
10:40 - BELIEVING THAT IT.
10:44 - IT ENCOMPASSES HE WAS SO
10:45 - PROFOUND THAT.
10:48 - IT'S VERY UNLIKELY HE DIDN'T
10:50 - REMEMBER.
10:52 - 5 OR MORE
10:53 - YEARS EARLIER IF RESTORED TO
10:55 - COMPENSATE SOME POINT YOU
10:58 - 7, 4,
11:01 - MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT COULD
11:02 - BE UNJUST TO TRY HIM. ON
11:05 - APPEAL. PAMELA SPIRIT COURT.
11:08 - WE DID NOT CHALLENGE THE LOWER
11:10 - COURT'S FINDINGS
11:12 - COMPETENCY WAS NOT LIKELY TO BE
11:14 - RESTORED WITHIN THE NEAR FUTURE
11:16 - AND THAT IT WOULD BE UNJUST.
11:18 - THE DEFENDANT TO TRY THEM.
11:20 - INSTEAD RELIED ON
11:24 - 1988 DECISION GARGLE WHICH I
11:27 - READ 7. 4 '03.
11:32 - IN THE
11:32 - DES JUMPED WHEN THE CON JOHN
11:35 - DIV. PRESUMPTION
11:37 - OF RESUMPTION OF PROCEEDINGS OR
11:40 - DISMISSAL.
11:42 - IS THE TITLE OF THIS SUBSECTION
11:44 - THEY'RE READING IT IN THE CAN
11:45 - JUST HAVE TO
11:45 - SAY THAT THE RESTORATION TO
11:48 - COMPETENCY IN RESUMING THE
11:49 - PROCEEDING
11:50 - IS UP AS A CONDITION PRECEDENT
11:52 - TO ACTUALLY THE COURT'S
11:53 - AUTHORITY TO DISMISS IT.
11:55 - THERE ARE SEVERAL PROBLEMS WITH
11:57 - THAT ANALYSIS. IT'S.
12:03 - IT'S BASICALLY DESCRIBED THAT
12:05 - IN THE BY MAKE US OUR BRIEF.
12:10 - THAT TO INTERPRET THAT FASHION.
12:14 - REALLY VIOLATES RULES
12:15 - CONSTRUCTION THAT.
12:20 - AND THEY
12:20 - USE LEIBY JUST THAT
12:23 - PARTICULAR SUBJECT AND IN AN
12:24 - AMBIGUOUS LEE DESCRIBED 2
12:26 - ATTORNEYS, THE COURT HAS BEEN
12:29 - EITHER.
12:33 - PROSECUTION IF THERE'S A
12:34 - FINDING OF CONFIDENCE OR YOU
12:36 - CAN DISMISS COUNCIL. YES
12:38 - QUESTION.
12:40 - MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE
12:41 - ONLY EVALUATION WAS THE INITIAL
12:43 - EVALUATION. THE MEETING THE
12:46 - CLIENT
12:47 - INCOMPETENT CORRECT THAT'S THE
12:48 - ONLY ONE OF THOSE ASKED FOR NOT
12:50 - THE ONLY ONE THEY WANT. AND
12:52 - BASED UPON ON THE.
12:55 - STRICT CONSTRUCTION OF
12:56 - THE STATUTE WHERE DO YOU FIND
12:59 - IT WITHIN
12:59 - THE STATUTE THAT THERE SHOULD
13:01 - NOT BE A SUBSEQUENT
13:03 - EVALUATION APPEARANCE OF THE
13:06 - DEFENDANT BEFORE
13:07 - THE JUDGE TO FIND AN
13:08 - APPROPRIATE EVALUATOR SOMEBODY
13:11 - ASKED ASKED FOR NOBODY'S ASKED
13:13 - FOR IT. SO HE'LL JUST ISN'T
13:15 - THERE FOR WORK TO BE CONSIDERED
13:17 - THAT THE FENCE TECHNIQUE TO
13:19 - SEEK
13:19 - AN INCOMPETENT WE'RE TO HAVE
13:21 - SOMEONE DEEMED INCOMPETENT ARE
13:23 - YOU SAYING IT'S NOT A BURDEN.
13:25 - QUICKLY ISSUE THAT'S WHO'S
13:26 - BURDEN IS IT. THEN
13:29 - 2 WE CONTINUE THE EVALUATION OR
13:31 - SEEK AN ADDITIONAL EVALUATION
13:34 - WHERE SOME JAIL BASE COMPETENCY
13:36 - RESTORATION.
13:38 - IN ORDER TO DEEM THE
13:40 - CLIENT WEATHER REDEEMABLE OR
13:43 - NOT REDEEMABLE.
13:45 - ANYBODY BUT YEAH, I'M NOT SURE
13:46 - THAT THE LEGISLATURE PUT IT
13:48 - PARTICULAR BURDEN TO CONTINUE
13:50 - TO WELL THERE IS THAT THAT'S MY
13:51 - CONCERN THE LAW HAS NO BURDEN
13:53 - IT WAS JUST SO.
13:56 - WHY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT.
14:00 - 7, 4 '03 BIG.
14:03 - PERMITS THE STAY OF THE
14:06 - PRATT, THE PROSECUTION.
14:08 - IT PERMITS. A MOTION TO HAVE
14:11 - THE INDIVIDUAL RELEASED FROM
14:13 - JAIL.
14:16 - A RESTORATION OF CONFIDENCE.
14:18 - ALL RIGHT.
14:19 - YOU'RE ARGUING THAT THE COURT
14:21 - HAS THIS IN CURRENT RIGHT TO.
14:26 - DISMISS THE CASE.
14:34 - THIS THIS INHERENT AUTHORITY
14:36 - DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS
14:37 - STATUTE.
14:39 - HE MUST REGAIN HIS
14:41 - CONFIDENCE AND THE QUESTION I
14:43 - HAVE FOR YOU TO DO NOT SEEK
14:44 - DISMISSAL UNDER 74 '03.
14:48 - DATE WHICH SPECIFICALLY
14:50 - DISCUSSES THE DISCHARGE.
14:53 - SHOULD AS
14:54 - DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE
14:55 - SUBSTANTIAL PROBABILITY THAT HE
14:57 - WILL NOT OBTAIN CAPACITY.
15:01 - SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS AND
15:03 - ALONG ABOUT WAY WHAT DO YOU
15:04 - PURSUE IT I FIND YOUR AVENUE
15:06 - FOR REMEDY TO BE INCORRECT
15:09 - SELECTION OF THE
15:12 - 3 STATUTE. WE THOUGHT I WAS YOU
15:15 - I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHY DID
15:17 - YOU GO
15:18 - WITH AS OPPOSED TO DAY WHICH IS
15:21 - REALLY ASKING FOR A DISMISSAL
15:23 - FOR LONG-TERM IN CAPACITY.
15:28 - WE I GUESS WE DIDN'T
15:29 - READ MCARDLE WAR
15:31 - THINK THAT.
15:32 - YEAH IT WAS IT
15:34 - WAS APPLICABLE.
15:39 - IT READS WHATEVER PERSON HAS
15:41 - BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME HAS
15:42 - BEEN DETERMINED TO BE
15:43 - INCOMPETENT TO PROCEED AS HAS
15:44 - YOUR CLIENT. HE SHALL NOT FOR
15:47 - THAT REASON ALONE BE
15:48 - DETAINED PRETRIAL NEWARK SHOW
15:51 - HE IN ANY EVENT BE PAYING ON A
15:53 - CRIMINAL CHARGE LONGER THAN THE
15:56 - REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME
15:57 - NECESSARY
15:58 - TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE'S A
16:00 - SUBSTANTIAL PROBABILITY THAT HE
16:02 - WILL RETAIN THEIR CAPACITY IN
16:04 - THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. BUT AT
16:06 - THE TURN IT SHALL BE DISCHARGED
16:09 - SO I GUESS WHAT RIGHT.
16:12 - I TAKE YOUR POINT
16:13 - YOUR HONOR. I THINK THE REASON
16:15 - WE DIDN'T DO THAT WAS BECAUSE
16:16 - HE'S SERVING ANOTHER SENTENCE.
16:18 - AND WAS GOING TO BE
16:19 - DISCHARGED AND GOOD BUT OUR
16:21 - READING OF AND FOR 3
16:24 - E IS IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE YOU
16:26 - DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO
16:28 - UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGE.
16:30 - THE PRIOR CONVICTION.
16:32 - THIS STATUTE IS APPLICABLE TO
16:35 - YOUR CAKES THE STATUTE YOU
16:38 - PLANE. IS
16:40 - APPLICABLE I.
16:41 - I'M HAVING A HARD TIME
16:42 - FINDING HOW THAT IS AND I'M
16:44 - ASKING YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY
16:46 - EVEN THAT TRUMP BIG BECAUSE
16:48 - THAT'S THAT'S.
16:49 - THAT PARTICULAR SUBSECTION
16:50 - GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO.
16:54 - 3 OF THE COURT TO DISMISS IT IF
16:56 - YOU TOOK THE INCIDENT UNJUST.
16:58 - RIGHT WHEN WE INTERVIEWED THE
17:00 - STATUTE IS WRITTEN AS
17:01 - REQUIRING.
17:03 - A RESUMPTION OF COMPETENCY TO
17:05 - BE A CONDITION. SO IT YOUR
17:07 - POSITION THAT IS
17:09 - YOUR POSITION IN THAT THE
17:10 - PARTICULAR FELONY CHARGES FOR
17:12 - WHICH YOUR CLIENT WAS BEING
17:13 - DETAINED.
17:15 - SHOULD HAVE RESULTED IN HIS
17:17 - COMPLETE DISCHARGE FROM
17:18 - INCARCERATION FOR THE PRIOR
17:20 - CONVICTION NOW. THAT'S WHAT I
17:23 - MEAN.
17:25 - ASK A QUESTION I I STILL
17:27 - HAVEN'T GOT AN ANSWER AS TO WHY
17:29 - PART.
17:31 - NO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER JUSTICE
17:32 - TALKATIVE VERY UNCERTAIN WHAT
17:35 - THIS SUBSECTION WE WE 500
17:37 - SPECIFICALLY GIVES THE
17:38 - AUTHORITY OF THE COURT.
17:41 - DISMISSED THE POLICE PROCESSED
17:42 - THE PROSECUTION WOULD BE
17:43 - UNJUST. THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED
17:45 - FOR THAT REALLY.
17:47 - DID YOU REALLY MISS THAT HE
17:49 - RELATES TO CRIMINAL ATTENTION
17:50 - NOT DISMISSAL OF THE CHARGES.
17:52 - ALL RIGHT. THAT'S TIED HAS A
17:54 - QUESTION FOR YOU.
17:56 - AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION
17:59 - AND THE TRIAL COURT'S ORDER.
18:01 - THE
18:01 - TRIAL COURT BELIEVED THAT HE
18:04 - FOUND AS A MATTER
18:06 - OF FACT THAT YOUR CLIENT WOULD
18:08 - NOT REGAIN.
18:10 - COMPETENCY
18:12 - AND IF YOUR CLIENT DID AT SOME
18:15 - POINT IN THE FUTURE OR GAIN.
18:17 - COMPETENCY.
18:19 - IT WOULD BE AT SUCH A TIME IN
18:22 - THE FUTURE THAT YOUR CLIENT
18:23 - WOULD SUFFER PREJUDICE BY THE
18:25 - PASSAGE
18:26 - OF TIME AND THEREFORE DISMISSAL
18:28 - WAS IN ORDER AND YOUR POSITION
18:30 - IS THAT THE SUPERIOR COURT
18:33 - AND WE SHOULD NOT SECOND GUESS
18:35 - THAT FACTUAL DETERMINATION BY
18:37 - THE TRIAL COURT IS THAT
18:38 - CORRECT.
18:40 - I YEAH I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN
18:41 - DO THAT UNDER JUDICIAL REVIEW
18:42 - AND THAT YOUR ARGUMENT AS THOSE
18:44 - ARE THAT'S WHERE ITS FINDINGS.
18:46 - THEY WERE CHALLENGED BY THE
18:47 - A PANEL BELOW THE FINDINGS
18:49 - WERE CHALLENGE RIGHT AND THAT
18:51 - JUST WHETHER OR NOT THEIR
18:52 - SPECIALTY AUTHORITY TO
18:53 - DISCHARGE HIM PRIOR TO THE.
18:57 - RESTORATION OF CONFIDENCE.
19:00 - CAN I GO BACK TO WHY YOUR
19:01 - OPENING REMARKS AND I THINK I
19:03 - GUESS
19:06 - APPEARS TO REQUIRE
19:08 - REEXAMINATION EVERY 90 DAYS AT
19:10 - LEAST.
19:11 - WHEN SEARS FINDING OF
19:13 - INCOMPETENCY AND A REPORT IN
19:15 - THE TRIAL JUDGE DID THAT NOT
19:17 - HAPPEN HERE.
19:18 - NOBODY ASKED NOBODY ASKED WE
19:20 - ASKED THAT COMMON THING THAT'S
19:21 - FOR THAT AND I KNOW IT'S
19:23 - IT'S SHOUT. IT'S NOT A QUESTION
19:24 - OF ASKING FOR ITS SUBSECTION C
19:26 - PROVIDE. WE'RE FOLLOWING SUCH
19:28 - DETERMINATION. THE
19:29 - PERSON AWAY SHALL BE REEXAMINED
19:32 - NOT LESS THAN EVERY 90 DAYS.
19:35 - WHY FIGHT I JUST POINTED BY
19:37 - THE COURT AND A REPORT IN THE
19:40 - EXAMINATION SHALL BE PROVIDED
19:41 - TO THE COURT PERIOD. NOT THAT
19:43 - I'M ON MOTION. IT SHALL BE
19:46 - SALMON EVERY 90 DAYS.
19:48 - WHICH IN THE REAL WORLD
19:50 - DOESN'T HAPPEN YEAH EXCEPT FOR
19:52 - THE FACT THAT IF THAT DIDN'T
19:54 - HAPPEN. PICKS THEY MAY BE PART
19:56 - OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE.
20:02 - YES AND THE COURT TO GO TO THE
20:03 - EXPENSIVE BRING
20:05 - DOCTORS KILLED. I CAN DO
20:07 - ANYTHING ON MEETING WITH THE
20:08 - LEGISLATURE HAS HAD SHOWERS
20:10 - HAPPENED.
20:12 - IT'S NOT THE FIRST
20:13 - TIME TO FUNDED MANDATE IN THE
20:14 - HISTORY OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT
20:17 - WORD SAID THAT SHOUGH WAS.
20:20 - I JUST I JUST I THINK THAT
20:22 - PLAYED A ROLE IN A DUI CASE NO
20:23 - I WOULDN'T GO THERE.
20:26 - ASK YOU
20:28 - IN THIS IS SOMEWHAT IN FURTHER
20:29 - AND SO WITH JUST A STOCKY AND
20:31 - THEN JUST AS BRIBES TO
20:32 - TALK ABOUT. I'D THOUGHT IT
20:35 - SEEMS TO ME AND TELL ME IF I'M
20:36 - RIGHT OR WRONG THAT THIS CASE
20:37 - IS NOT ABOUT TENSION
20:39 - OR INCARCERATION
20:41 - BECAUSE YOUR CLIENT IS
20:42 - INCARCERATED ON OTHER CHARGES
20:44 - FOR GOODNESS KNOWS HOW LONG.
20:46 - THIS CASE IS ABOUT WHETHER
20:48 - CHARGES SHOULD REMAIN PENDING
20:50 - AGAINST HIM RIGHT IS
20:51 - THAT FAIR, LET'S HEAR
20:53 - IT IN THEIR FORT THAT'S I THINK
20:55 - WHY NOT THAT IT'S MY JOB TO
20:56 - HELP YOU WIFE OUT UNDER THE
20:58 - RATHER THE DEA THESE ABOUT
20:59 - GETTING OUT OF JAIL. HE'S ABOUT
21:01 - GETTING CHARGES
21:02 - TRUCK RIGHT DOES IT HELP YOUR
21:04 - CASE AT ALL HOW IMPORTANT IS IT
21:06 - TO YOU THAT THE TITLE
21:08 - OF E HAS THE IQ.
21:11 - THIS JUMP TO OR IN THERE.
21:13 - SO I
21:17 - TRYING TO MAKE THAT THOUGH
21:18 - THAT'S MY STATUTORY
21:19 - CONSTRUCTION ARE YOU KNOW I
21:20 - THINK WE PREETY SAYS RECENT
21:21 - RIGHT.
21:22 - RESUMPTION OF PERCEIVED OR
21:23 - DISMISSAL THAN IT IS TO SEND
21:25 - THINGS. ONE IS PRISM SUPERSEDES
21:26 - THE SECOND IS DISMISSED.
21:28 - THAT'S WHAT YOU GET YOU SEE IT
21:30 - THAT'S THAT'S MY BODY DOESN'T
21:32 - REALLY LEND A T DO YOU ANY GOOD
21:34 - BECAUSE I GOT UNDER THE
21:35 - CRIMINAL CODE. THE WAY THE WAY
21:37 - AT THE LAST LOOK AT THE FIRST
21:38 - TO SAY.
21:41 - THIS IS THE AMBIGUOUS BECAUSE
21:43 - IT'S IN THE DES DESTRUCTIVE OR
21:45 - DISMISSED.
21:47 - CLAIRE MANY THAT STATUTE IS THE
21:48 - JUDGE CAN EITHER.
21:50 - LISTEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FIND
21:53 - THAT HE'S CONFIDENT AND PRESENT
21:55 - RESUME
21:55 - THE CASE OR YOU CAN DISMISS IT
21:57 - AND THINKS JUSTICE REQUIRES
21:59 - THAT.
22:00 - THAT'S THE FIRST THAT'S THE
22:01 - FIRST REASON TO SAFEGUARD
22:02 - WAS WRONG. SECOND REASON IS IF
22:05 - IF THERE IS AMBIGUITY IN
22:06 - THE STATUTE RULE AND IT
22:08 - REQUIRES YOU TO INTERPRET IT
22:09 - AGAINST THE STATE IN FAVOR OF
22:12 - THE DEFENDANTS ARE DUE
22:12 - TO ACCEPT THE PREMISE IS THAT
22:15 - MATTERED FOR THAT ARGUE THAT
22:16 - THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK
22:18 - AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
22:19 - THIS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
22:20 - TO GO.
22:20 - DO A LITTLE MORE THAN WE
22:22 - COULD DO PRE ARGUMENT DOES IT
22:24 - MATTER FOR THAT ARGUMENT
22:25 - RELENTED E WHICH IS ONE OF THE
22:27 - GUIDEPOST IN
22:27 - CRIMINAL LAW THAT THIS IS
22:29 - BROUGHT UNDER THE MENTAL HEALTH
22:30 - ACT RATHER THAN CRIMINAL CODE.
22:32 - ALL RIGHT. I I DO I DO I DO NOT
22:35 - SEE HOW THAT WOULD MATTER
22:36 - BECAUSE THE MENTAL HEALTH
22:37 - ISSUES THAT DEALS WITH IT.
22:39 - THE LAST
22:39 - CELEBRITY OF A MENTAL HEALTH
22:41 - PATIENT, BUT AGAIN WE'RE NOT
22:43 - THAT I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT WITH
22:44 - YOU WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
22:44 - LOSS OF LIBERTY THAT'S THE
22:45 - POINT WE JUST MADE UP.
22:48 - WITH THAT I THINK MATTERS.
22:50 - YEAH LET ME ASK YOU FINALLY
22:52 - THEN.
22:52 - I PROPOSE THAT THE WHOLE.
22:55 - DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD.
22:58 - WHY DOES IT MAKE ANY
22:59 - DIFFERENCE TO YOUR CLIENT BEGIN
23:01 - IN REAL
23:02 - WORLD TERMS WHETHER THESE
23:03 - CHARGES REMAIN PENDING OR
23:05 - DISMISS HE'S CONFINED ON OTHER
23:07 - CHARGES. HE APPARENTLY IS
23:09 - PRETTY INCOMPETENT AND IN DUE
23:11 - COURSE THESE CHARGES WILL GO
23:12 - AWAY IN ANY EVENT.
23:14 - AN EXCELLENT QUESTION IN MY
23:16 - EXPERIENCE IN STATE PAROLE.
23:17 - WE WORK WITH WELL
23:19 - LEADS ME TO THE BELIEF THAT
23:21 - HAVING IT TO TEHRAN, YOU DOES
23:23 - IMPEDE YOUR ABILITY TO DO THING
23:25 - IN THE PRESS IN A PRISON
23:26 - SENTENCE
23:27 - SET SETTING TO A SORRY HAS THE
23:30 - ABILITY TO QUIT.
23:32 - BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DETAINER
23:33 - ON NEW DEO SEA VIEWS YOU A
23:35 - DIFFERENT MATTER YOU YOU YOU'RE
23:37 - DENIED PRIVILEGES THAT OTHER
23:39 - INMATES ARE TO GET THAT.
23:43 - PAINTER WE
23:44 - CAN HARM. INDIVIDUALS SERVING
23:46 - SET SO
23:47 - HAVING SENTENCE HAVING THIS
23:49 - OPEN CASE IN CENTRE COUNTY.
23:52 - WE CAN. ADVERSELY IMPACT HOW
23:56 - HE'S TREATED AT SCI PHOENIX
23:58 - WORRY.
23:59 - MR. KROENKE TONIGHT. I WANT TO
24:01 - GET BACK TO THE STATUTE BECAUSE
24:03 - I UNDERSTOOD THIS CASE
24:04 - IS ABOUT THE SUPERIOR COURT
24:07 - APPLYING PRECEDENT THAT SAYS
24:09 - THE SECOND SENTENCE OF
24:10 - PARAGRAPH HE DOESN'T COME INTO
24:12 - PLAY.
24:12 - UNLESS THERE'S A RETURN
24:13 - TO CAMPUS. THAT'S HOW I READ
24:16 - THE ISSUE BEFORE US WHETHER
24:17 - THAT STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION
24:18 - IS CORRECT. LET'S ASSUME THIS
24:22 - THE 2 CENSUS CAN BE READ IN THE
24:23 - DESTRUCTIVE AND I SENTENCE THAT
24:25 - YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE RELYING ON
24:28 - IN THE TRIAL COURT LIGHT ON
24:29 - SAYS IF THE COURT
24:31 - IS OF THE OPINION THAT BY
24:32 - REASON OF THE PASSAGE
24:33 - OF TIME AND ITS EFFECT UPON THE
24:35 - CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS IT WOULD
24:36 - BE UNJUST TO RESUME THE
24:38 - PROSECUTION. THE COURT MAY
24:40 - DISMISS THE CHARGE AND ORDERED
24:41 - THE PERSON DISCHARGED
24:43 - RIGHT NOW IT'S INTERESTING TO
24:44 - ME ABOUT THAT PARAGRAPH IS IT
24:45 - DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT
24:47 - PROBABILITY OF RETURNING
24:48 - TO CONFIDENCE WHICH THE
24:50 - LEGISLATURE CLEARLY KNOWS HOW
24:51 - TO SAY BECAUSE THEY SAID IT
24:52 - IN D WHAT IT REALLY DOES TO ME
24:55 - SAY IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
24:57 - PASSAGE OF TIME.
24:59 - THAT IMPACTS THE ABILITY FOR
25:02 - THE DEFENDANT TO GET A FAIR
25:02 - TRIAL TO GET THE DISMISSAL
25:04 - UNDER THAT LANGUAGE. IF I
25:06 - UNDERSTAND THE RECORD
25:06 - CORRECTLY. THIS CASE WAS
25:08 - DISMISSED 9 MONTHS AFTER THE
25:10 - COMPETENT COMPETENCY
25:11 - DETERMINATION WAS MADE BY THE
25:13 - COURT.
25:20 - HOW IS HOW IS 9 MONTHS,
25:23 - SUFFICIENT PASSAGE
25:24 - OF TIME THAT WOULD TRIGGER A
25:26 - TRIAL COURT'S AUTHORITY UNDER
25:27 - THIS LANGUAGE SUCH THE TRIAL
25:29 - COURT COULD DETERMINE AFTER
25:31 - 9 MONTHS
25:34 - THAT BY REASON THAT PASSAGE IT
25:35 - WOULD BE UNJUST TO RESUME THE
25:36 - PROSECUTION, THE TAX PARCEL IS
25:38 - RELYING ON THE FACT THAT.
25:40 - AND THEN NO EFFORT AT ALL TO
25:42 - RESTORE HIM TO COMPETENCY IN
25:43 - THAT PERIOD AND NO EFFORTS
25:46 - COULD BE STARTED UNTIL AT LEAST
25:48 - 2 YEARS OUT. BUT
25:51 - LET MAYBE 13 YEARS AT THE SCENE
25:54 - TO ME THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE
25:55 - LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE
25:56 - IS IT THE ONLY DETERMINED HERE
25:58 - IS THE PASSAGE
25:58 - OF TIME, NOT THE PAST NOT NOT
26:01 - WHAT TIME THEY PASS IN THE
26:02 - FUTURE. BUT THE PASSAGE OF TIME
26:04 - AT THE TIME THE TRIAL JUDGE
26:05 - ASSESSES THE MOTION TO DISMISS
26:06 - AND HERE THERE WAS ONLY
26:07 - 9 MONTHS AND THE TRIAL COURT
26:09 - WAS KIND OF LOOKING IN THE
26:10 - PROGNOSTICATING IN THE FUTURE.
26:12 - IT MAY VERY WELL BE 2 YEARS
26:14 - DOWN THE ROAD. HE'S RECEIVED
26:16 - NO TREATMENT. HE'S
26:18 - HE'S AND AT THAT POINT TIME
26:20 - WITNESSES HAVE DIED EVIDENCE A
26:21 - STALE ALL THAT
26:22 - OTHER STUFF. BUT I'M HAVING A
26:24 - HARD TIME AND GRAFTING INTO THE
26:27 - SECOND
26:27 - SENTENCE BE THE PROBABILITY TO
26:30 - RETURN TO ATTAIN CAPACITY IN
26:32 - THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE LANGUAGE
26:33 - THAT IS IN D WHICH I THINK IS
26:35 - NECESSARY TO GET WHERE YOU WANT
26:36 - TO GO.
26:38 - OTHER THAN THE
26:40 - PANEL BELOW WE DIDN'T CHALLENGE
26:43 - THAT AS AN ABUSE OF THE COURT'S
26:44 - DISCRETION MAKE
26:45 - THAT CONCLUSION. I THINK ON
26:47 - REVIEW WE CAN DO THAT JUDGE
26:49 - MARSHALL WE HEARD THE EVIDENCE
26:51 - THE OR THE.
26:52 - HE SAW THE DEFENDANT HE HE
26:54 - KNOWS THE FACTS THE CASE HE
26:55 - MADE THAT A DECISION THAT NO
26:57 - ONE IS REALLY QUICKLY WHAT WELL
26:59 - COUNCIL I THINK.
27:01 - TO ADDRESS JUSTICE PROB
27:04 - SINCE CONCERN.
27:05 - THERE WASN'T A DESIGNATION OF
27:08 - THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO
27:09 - PASS AND.
27:11 - THAT
27:13 - MY MIND WOULD PUT IT SQUARELY
27:15 - WITHIN THE TRIAL COURT'S
27:16 - DISCRETION
27:17 - TO DECIDE IT AND UNLESS HE
27:19 - ABUSED THAT DISCRETION. YOU
27:21 - KNOW IT WAS A DISCRETIONARY
27:24 - DECISION WAS WITHIN HIS
27:26 - BAILIWICK TO MAKE.
27:28 - ALTHOUGH YOUR KIT YOU DO YOU
27:30 - AGREE WITH THAT RIGHT THAT WAS
27:31 - A SOFTBALL AND I MIGHT WELL
27:34 - AGREE WITH JUSTICE TODD THAT A
27:36 - FAIR READING OF WHAT THE TRIAL
27:38 - COURT
27:38 - DID HERE.
27:39 - WAS HE THREW UP HIS HANDS OUT
27:41 - OF ABSOLUTE FRUSTRATION WITH
27:42 - THE CATCH 22 YEAH
27:44 - UNDER OUR SYSTEM YOU CAN'T GET
27:46 - MENTAL
27:46 - HEALTH ASSISTANCE. COMPETENCY
27:49 - RESTORATION ASSISTANCE SO LONG
27:51 - AS YOUR STATE INMATE.
27:52 - AND YOU CAN'T AVOID THE STATE
27:54 - INMATES ATTA SO LONG AS YOU
27:56 - REMAIN CONFIDENT, AND I THINK
27:58 - THE FACT THAT AFTER.
28:00 - VARIOUS ORDERS AND VARIOUS
28:02 - EFFORTS. THE TRIAL COURT COULD
28:03 - MAKE NO HEADWAY IN GETTING YOUR
28:06 - CLIENT COMPETENCY
28:07 - RESTORATION SERVICES. WELL IT
28:09 - WAS NICE TO MAY SNEAK TO BE
28:12 - SOME DISCRETION BUT I THINK
28:13 - THAT'S WHAT WAS PUSHING HIM
28:15 - WOULD YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE
28:18 - IF YOUR CLIENT RECEIVING ANY
28:20 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT.
28:22 - HE'S TERRIFIC SAVING
28:24 - BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TREATMENT.
28:28 - WE BELIEVE THAT WAS TESTIMONY
28:29 - AT THE.
28:32 - HEARING ON THE MOTION TO
28:33 - DISMISS THERE WAS TESTIMONY
28:34 - FROM THE DNC THAT HE SEES A
28:36 - PSYCHIATRIST EVERY 30 DAYS.
28:40 - I'M SURE HE'S MEDICATED.
28:43 - MANIFESTATIONS OF THIS MIDDLE
28:45 - OF THE CITY. CAUSE PROBLEMS AND
28:47 - THE JAIL SET SETTING. BUT
28:48 - CLEARLY IS NOT RESEARCH
28:50 - RECEIVING ANY THE THING THAT
28:51 - WOULD RESTORE HIM TO
28:52 - COMPETENCY. ADDRESSING THE
28:54 - SYMPTOMS DOESN'T STAR WANT
28:56 - TO COME.
28:57 - MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN THE
28:58 - WAY HE RECEIVING MENTAL HEALTH
29:01 - TREATMENT. I MEAN DEATHS AND
29:02 - THE RECORD THAT'S ONE
29:04 - WOULD WONDER. WHAT KIND OF
29:07 - MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE
29:08 - AVAILABLE TO
29:09 - INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS.
29:12 - AND AND YOU KNOW TO GET BACK TO
29:14 - MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT THE
29:16 - REQUIREMENT THAT ANY
29:17 - DISSEMINATION I MEAN IF WE'RE
29:19 - GOING TO SAY WELL THE REALITY
29:21 - IS
29:21 - IT THAT. WELL THEN MAYBE THE
29:23 - REALITY IS THAT THE PASSAGE OF
29:24 - TIME CAN BE THE DETERMINATIVE
29:26 - FACTOR ALL TIME.
29:31 - DEAL WITH THE PASSAGE OF A
29:33 - THAT CAPS AND
29:34 - IN MY HOME STATE IT DOES TODAY
29:37 - 7 LAYER BUT SOME SECTIONS OF
29:39 - THE DEALS WITH THE REQUIREMENT
29:40 - THAT AN EXAMINATION OF
29:42 - INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN NEED OF
29:44 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT WHICH
29:46 - ISN'T HAPPENING.
29:48 - AND THAT DEALS WITH THE STEADY.
29:51 - WELL LIKE THIS DAY DOESN'T
29:52 - MENTION DISMISSED. PRESUMABLY
29:54 - IF THE STATE GOES ON TOO LONG.
29:56 - YOU GO BACK TO BE.
29:59 - IN THE STATE IS LET'S SAY THE
30:00 - STAY IS LIFTED AFTER 7 YEARS IF
30:02 - THE STAY IS LIFTED.
30:05 - IF THE STATE HAS TO BE LIFTED
30:06 - AT 7 RIGHT.
30:08 - THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE CASE IS
30:09 - NOT CONFIDENT.
30:11 - THEN I THINK WHAT DO YOU DO YOU
30:13 - GO TO EAT YOU GO TO THE SECOND
30:15 - SENSE OF THE IN GET THE COURT
30:16 - DISMISSAL BECAUSE OF THE
30:17 - PASSAGE OF TIME IT WOULD BE
30:18 - UNJUST TO TRY THAT PERSON.
30:21 - SO THE COURT COULD LIFT THE
30:22 - STAY WHILE THESE INCOMPETENT
30:24 - CAN BEAT RIGHT.
30:27 - THE CHARGES WOULD BE DISMISSED
30:29 - AT
30:29 - THAT POINT. NOW THIS YES DIED
30:31 - YEARS THE STATUTE ONLY SAYS
30:33 - THAT THAT PARAGRAPH STATION
30:34 - TALKS ABOUT LIFTING THE STATE
30:36 - DOESN'T TALK ABOUT DISMISSING
30:37 - CHARGES DISMISSING CHARGES IN.
30:39 - BUT BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING.
30:42 - IF YOU CAN'T BEAT RIGHT.
30:44 - AND THE STAY IS LIFTED. WE
30:46 - CAN'T PROCEED.
30:47 - WELL I I AM SORT OF AGREEING
30:49 - WITH THAT I'M NOT SURE I AGREE
30:51 - WITH THE SUPREME COURT
30:52 - SUPERIOR COURTS. READING THAT
30:55 - THERE MUST BE A RESTORATION OF
30:56 - COMPETENCY BEFORE THE SECOND
30:58 - SENSE OF THE E
30:59 - IS TRIGGERED WHAT I'M SAYING IS
31:01 - HE IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT
31:03 - ADDRESSES DISMISSAL. EVERYTHING
31:05 - ELSE ABOUT STAYS OR DISCHARGE
31:07 - FROM CUSTODY. AND IT SEEMS TO
31:09 - ME IF THE STAY IS LIFTED AFTER
31:11 - A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME YOU
31:12 - HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEFENSE
31:14 - COUNSEL TO GO INTO THE TRIAL
31:15 - COURT AND SAY.
31:17 - 2 OUT TOO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED
31:18 - EVEN IF WE COULD GET THE PERSON
31:20 - RESTORED TO COMPETENCY TOO MUCH
31:21 - TIME HAS PASSED WITNESSES
31:22 - RECOLLECTIONS ARE
31:24 - ARE FRAYED. BEEN DESTROYED
31:26 - WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ARGUE IT
31:27 - WOULD BE UNJUST TO GO TO TRIAL.
31:29 - AND YES FOR DISMISSAL.
31:32 - WELL WE SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO 7
31:34 - YEAR. I THINK YOU SHOULD
31:36 - HAVE WON. I DON'T KNOW I MEAN I
31:38 - HAVE I'VE MY FINAL THOUGHT ON
31:40 - THIS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING
31:41 - TO SAY THE POINT IS I READ THE
31:42 - STATUTORY LANGUAGE, IT'S ABOUT
31:44 - PASSAGE OF TIME IT'S NOT ABOUT
31:46 - RESTORATION OF COMPETENCY.
31:48 - JUST AS MANY AS A QUESTION AND
31:50 - THEN WE'RE GOING TO HERE FOR
31:51 - THE OTHER SIDE. CERTAINLY UP.
31:53 - MISTER CROWLEY, WHAT WOULD THE
31:56 - RECCOMENDATION BE TO THIS COURT
31:58 - WITH REGARD TO THE DISPOSITION
32:00 - OF THIS APPEAL.
32:02 - WOULD YOU LOOK IS IT
32:04 - NECESSARY TO HAVE A REAM AND TO
32:05 - HAVE EVALUATION OF
32:07 - YOUR CLIENT.
32:08 - WHAT I THINK YOU CAN SAFELY
32:09 - GUARD WAS WRONGLY DECIDED.
32:13 - AND OUR GOAL WAS WRONGLY
32:15 - DECIDED AND OVERTURN IT THAT
32:17 - THAT THIS REMEDY
32:18 - DOES LIE IN FOR A 3 OK ASSUMING
32:21 - THAT'S PART OF YOUR.
32:24 - DISPOSITION. WHAT I'M LOOKING
32:26 - FOR IS AT
32:27 - THIS POINT THERE'S BEEN
32:29 - CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME
32:30 - THAT'S PASSED SINCE YOUR CLIENT
32:32 - APPARENTLY HAS TESTED.
32:34 - FOR HIS COMPETENCY IS THAT
32:36 - NECESSARY AT THIS POINT OR IS
32:37 - ENOUGH TIME GONE BY. SO THAT
32:40 - YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S
32:42 - PREJUDICIAL AT THIS TIME FOR
32:43 - HIM TO FACE A PROSECUTION.
32:48 - TRUE WAS 9 MONTHS BETWEEN THE
32:49 - FILING. THE TERMINATION A
32:52 - COMPETENCY.
32:57 - A YEAR AND A HALF.
32:59 - TO THE INCIDENT AND HE
33:00 - WAS NOT WE'RE CONFIDENT AT
33:02 - THAT TIME BECAUSE HE WAS
33:06 - SUFFERING FROM THIS BIPOLAR
33:08 - DISORDER WITH PSYCHOTIC
33:09 - FEATURES. SO IT'S IT'S BEEN
33:11 - ON IT IT'S BEEN ALMOST 5 YEARS
33:13 - TO DATE.
33:15 - SINCE THE CHART, THE FIRST
33:17 - CHARGES FIGHT IN THIS CASE
33:19 - COUNTS AND IF WE WERE TO TAKE
33:20 - YOUR ARGUMENT WHICH LOGICAL
33:22 - EXTREME. IF WE WERE TO REVERSE
33:25 - THIS CASE. ANYONE KNEW WHO
33:28 - ALLEGES OR IS DIAGNOSED WITH
33:30 - BIPOLAR DISORDER.
33:34 - AND IT IS DEEMED INCOMPETENT
33:36 - WOULD BE SOME EARLY DISCHARGE.
33:40 - BECAUSE THEY'RE IRREDEEMABLE
33:42 - LEE NOT ABLE TO BE RESTORED IS
33:44 - THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT AT THE
33:45 - ARGUMENT IS. AND EVERYBODY
33:47 - AGREES HE WAS INCOMPETENT.
33:50 - I MEAN THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE
33:53 - UNTIL THE MOTION JUST MINUTES.
33:57 - FOR ANOTHER COMPETENCY
33:58 - EVALUATION. THE JUDGE
33:59 - SAID THAT BUT THE QUESTION
34:01 - BECOMES I WAS ABLE TO BE
34:03 - RESTORED TROOPER. I GUESS THE
34:04 - QUESTION IS IF YOU HAVE BIPOLAR
34:06 - AND YOU ARE REQUIRED OR YOU
34:08 - BECOME REGIMENTED WILL TAKE
34:09 - YOUR MEDICATION, YOU'RE
34:10 - BECOMING A PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN
34:12 - AND
34:12 - COMPETENT AND THE QUESTION HERE
34:15 - IS WHAT'S THE BLOCKAGE OF THE
34:18 - CLIENT RECEIVING HIS
34:19 - APPROPRIATE
34:20 - MEDIC MEDICATION TO HAVE HIM
34:22 - RESTORED TO THAT LEVEL OF
34:23 - COMPETENCE. IT WASN'T
34:26 - MEDICATION THAT WITHIN THE
34:28 - RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ALL
34:29 - AGREE TO
34:30 - IT WAS PROGRAMMING TO RESTORE
34:32 - THE COMPETENCY WHICH IS MORE
34:34 - THAN JUST GIVING A HOUND
34:35 - DOG SHOT OR WHATEVER AND IT
34:37 - WASN'T JUST BIPOLAR WITH THIS
34:39 - INDIVIDUAL
34:40 - PSYCHOTIC FEATURES DELUSIONS A
34:42 - GRAND JURY PERSECUTION COMPLEX
34:43 - IS THE REASON PEOPLES.
34:45 - INMATES IT'S ALL TAKEN MINUTES.
34:48 - WE ARE I UNDERSTAND MUST BE A
34:50 - FUN CLIENT TO DEAL WITH THE
34:51 - COUNCIL CAN
34:52 - I JUST EVEN FROM 9 TO 1, 1, FOR
34:55 - TRASH CAN. IS WITH METAL THE
34:57 - SAME IS DISCHARGED.
35:01 - INTERESTING QUESTION.
35:07 - THERE'S PROBABLY A STATION IN
35:09 - THERE.
35:11 - THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MAY USE.
35:13 - YEAH IT THEY DISMISS THAT
35:15 - CHARGE AND ORDERED THE PERSON
35:16 - DISCHARGE. BUT I JUST THERE TO
35:18 - DIFFERENT.
35:22 - IN ANY WAY WE CAN NOT BE JUST
35:27 - IF THE CHARGES ARE
35:28 - DISMISSED HERE. MAYBE HE'S NOT
35:30 - DISCHARGED AND THE CHARGES BE
35:32 - REINSTATED IF THE TEAM'S
35:34 - CONFIDENCE IN THE PAST A STATUE
35:36 - LIMIT ART STATUE OF LIMITATIONS
35:38 - TO REFI.
35:41 - THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
35:45 - THANK YOU THANK YOU.
36:06 - THANK YOU
36:06 - HONORABLE JUSTICES OF THE
36:08 - SUPREME COURT MAY IT PLEASE THE
36:10 - AND IT HAPPENED ON BEHALF OF
36:11 - THE COMMONWEALTH.
36:13 - I AM ASKING YOU TO A FIRM AND
36:15 - THE DECISION OF THE SUPERIOR
36:16 - COURT BELOW WHICH REVERSED THE
36:18 - DISMISSAL OF THE CHARGES
36:19 - AGAINST THE APPELLANT BY THE
36:21 - TRIAL COURT.
36:23 - THE CALM OF MAINTAINED THAT THE
36:24 - TRIAL COURT'S DISMISSAL OF THE
36:26 - CHARGES PURSUANT TO SECTION 74
36:29 - 3 E OF THE MENTAL HEALTH
36:30 - PROCEDURES ACT WAS CONTRARY TO
36:32 - BOTH STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND
36:34 - PENNSYLVANIA CASE LAW. THAT
36:36 - EVIDENCE WAS INSUFFICIENT TO
36:37 - SUPPORT THE TRIAL COURT'S
36:39 - ASSUMPTION AND CONCLUSION THAT
36:41 - THE APPELLANT WOULD BE
36:42 - PREJUDICE IF YOU ARE RESTORED
36:43 - TO COMPETENCY AND MADE TO STAND
36:45 - TRIAL AT A LATER DATE.
36:47 - AND THE TRIAL COURT SHOULD HAVE
36:48 - ORDERED A COMPETENCY EVALUATION
36:50 - BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN
36:51 - SERVICES RATHER THAN DISMISSING
36:53 - THE CHARGES.
36:55 - FIRST CAUGHT IT WAS CONTRARY
36:57 - TO STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND
36:59 - PENNSYLVANIA CASE LAW. THE
37:01 - TRIAL COURT ERRED
37:02 - WHEN IT
37:03 - INDIVIDUALLY AND SELECTIVELY
37:05 - RELIED ON THE SECOND SENTENCE
37:08 - OF THAT SECTION 743 E
37:11 - FOR GROUNDS FOR TO DISMISSAL OF
37:13 - THE CHARGES. RATHER THAN
37:15 - READING THE SECTION AS A WHOLE
37:17 - THE STATUTE'S PLAIN LANGUAGE
37:19 - PROVIDES THE BEST EVIDENCE OF
37:21 - THE LEGISLATURE'S INTENT AND
37:23 - THE PLAIN LANGUAGE IN THIS CASE
37:25 - INDICATES THAT 743 E
37:28 - IS ASSUMING THAT A PERSON HAS
37:31 - BEEN RESTORED TO COMPETENCY
37:34 - AND THEN CAN RESUME I COULD I
37:35 - ASK YOU COUNSEL AND I
37:38 - I.
37:38 - HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING
37:39 - YOU MAY BE LIKE THOSE JUDGES
37:41 - 200 YEARS AGO IN THE ONE OF
37:42 - THOSE LIKE MORONS THAT COMES
37:43 - OUT. BUT.
37:50 - THE DISMISSAL OF CHARGES IS NOT
37:52 - AVAILABLE.
37:55 - TO AN INCOMPETENT DEFENDANT.
37:59 - UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES
38:00 - IN E YOU'RE SAYING ARE YOU NOT
38:04 - THE STATUTE HERE DOESN'T
38:06 - PROVIDE FOR DISMISSAL OF THE
38:07 - CHARGES IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE
38:09 - AREN'T YOU.
38:10 - SO THERE'D TO SIT AREAS THAT
38:14 - ARE WRITTEN AND 2 SECTIONS 743
38:16 - AS A WHOLE WHERE THE CASE WOULD
38:18 - HAVE TO BE DISMISSED ONE WOULD
38:20 - BE AN E WHERE SOMEONE WAS
38:21 - RESTORED TO COMPETENCY DOUBLE
38:23 - WE'RE TALKING WE'RE PUTTING
38:24 - THAT ASIDE EVERYBODY AGREES.
38:27 - THIS PERSON IS NOT COMPETENT
38:29 - AND NOT REGAIN INCOMPETENCE.
38:31 - YES, SO IF YOU LOOK
38:35 - TOO SECTION F 743 AFTER
38:38 - THAT TALKS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF
38:39 - THE STAY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT
38:43 - THIS CASE. IT'S A FELONY OF
38:44 - THE 3RD DEGREE SO THAT IS 7
38:46 - YEARS. SO.
38:49 - THE CASE IS STATED TO PRESERVE
38:51 - HIS RIGHTS BUT THE
38:52 - COMMONWEALTH, CONSTITUTIONALLY
38:54 - WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE
38:56 - HIM IF THE STAY HAD TO
38:59 - BE LIFTED BY THE CONSTITUTION I
39:02 - CAN'T PROSECUTE SOMEONE WHO IS
39:03 - THE COP TO IT.
39:04 - SO YOU'RE GONNA MISS MAX OF 7
39:06 - YEARS RIGHT.
39:09 - WE'RE USING HIS
39:09 - MAXIMUM SENTENCE AS THE PAIR
39:12 - MET THE PERIOD OF TIME. DURING
39:14 - WHICH YOU CAN BE PROSECUTED.
39:16 - WE BROUGHT BACK TO COMPETENCY.
39:19 - IT IS WHAT IT WOULD APPEAR TO
39:21 - BE IF YOU LOOK AT 743 AFTER
39:23 - BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU SHALL
39:25 - NOT
39:26 - STAY IT. LONGER THAN
39:28 - THE PERIOD, THE MAXIMUM
39:30 - SENTENCE THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE
39:32 - OR 10 YEARS WHICHEVER IS
39:33 - SHORTER SO 7 YEARS WOULD BE
39:35 - SHORTER.
39:36 - THEN 10 YEARS IN THIS
39:38 - WEALTH. YEAH YOU SHOOT BEFORE
39:40 - THIS COURT IS UNIQUE IN THE
39:41 - SENSE THAT THE INTENT OF
39:43 - THIS STATUTE.
39:44 - IS THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL
39:46 - ACCUSED OF A CRIME IS DEEMED
39:48 - INCOMPETENT THAT.
39:50 - SHE IS TO
39:52 - REDUCE EVE. JAIL BASED RESTORED
39:56 - TO COMPETENCY.
39:58 - SERVICES IN THIS PARTICULAR
40:00 - SCENARIO.
40:02 - THIS IS NOT A SINGULAR OFFENSE
40:05 - THAT'S BLOCKING.
40:06 - THE RESTORATION. IT'S THE PRIOR
40:09 - CONVICTION.
40:11 - SUCH THAT THE PRIOR CONVICTION
40:13 - IN THE CURRENT PINO
40:14 - STATE INSTITUTIONS DO
40:17 - NOT PERMIT.
40:18 - AS STATE INCARCERATED
40:21 - INDIVIDUAL TO GET THE
40:22 - NECESSARY.
40:24 - RESTORATION AT EITHER
40:26 - NORTH COUNTERPARTS SO WHAT ARE
40:29 - WE TO DO WHAT IS THAT JUDGE TO
40:31 - DO.
40:31 - WHEN THIS SYSTEM,
40:33 - NOT WITHIN THE READING OF THE
40:35 - STATUTE OR ANY INTERPRETATION
40:37 - OF THE STATUTE IS BLOCKING.
40:40 - AN
40:40 - INDIVIDUAL THAT THE
40:41 - COMMONWEALTH AND THE DEFENSE
40:43 - HAVE CONCEDED WOULD BE
40:45 - INCOMPETENT WOULD BE.
40:48 - MOST EU MAIN THING NOT TO BE
40:50 - WITHDRAWAL
40:50 - THESE CHARGES WHICH EMANATE
40:52 - FROM THE VERY PSYCHIATRIC
40:54 - DISORDER.
40:58 - HE THREW URINE AT
40:59 - A GUARD AND SPED UP
41:01 - ON ONE WHICH IS CLEARLY
41:03 - INDICATIVE OF HIS.
41:05 - DETERIORATING MENTAL HEALTH.
41:08 - SO HOW ARE HOW WAS THE
41:10 - TRIAL JUDGE TO HANDLE THIS
41:12 - SCENARIO. THAT WAS NOT WITHIN
41:14 - THE STATUTE AND NOT WITHIN HIS
41:17 - OR HER CONTROL. WHAT'S
41:18 - YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
41:19 - SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IN
41:20 - THE WITNESSES THAT I DID AT THE
41:22 - HEARING FOR THE MOTION TO
41:23 - DISMISS WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN
41:25 - THE CONFINES OF WHAT OUR WE'RE
41:27 - ABLE TO SO MISS PENN CHAR'S
41:30 - TESTIFIED TO WHO WORKS FOR THE
41:31 - DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES
41:33 - AND WHAT DOCTOR RIGHT
41:35 - TESTIFIED TO WHO WORKS FOR THE
41:37 - DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS THEY
41:39 - WORK TOGETHER IN SITUATIONS
41:40 - SUCH
41:40 - AS THESE. THE DEPARTMENT OF
41:42 - CORRECTIONS WILL PROVIDE MENTAL
41:44 - HEALTH TREATMENT FOR THE
41:45 - INDIVIDUAL. AND THE DEPARTMENT
41:47 - OF HUMAN SERVICES WILL
41:48 - SEND AN EVALUATOR IN IT TO US
41:51 - REVIEW THAT INDIVIDUAL SPEAK
41:53 - WITH THEM AND SEE IF THEY'RE
41:54 - ABLE. TOO BIG REGAIN COMPETENCY
41:58 - AT THAT POINT AND WHAT DOCTOR
42:00 - WRIGHT DID TESTIFY TO IS THAT
42:03 - THE DEO STEVE THEY CAN ADJUST
42:05 - AND INMATES TREATMENT THAT
42:07 - THEY'RE RECEIVING WITHIN THE
42:08 - FACILITY. THEY CAN ADJUST THAT
42:11 - SHOULD THEY BE FOUND TO BE IN
42:12 - CONFIDENT AND SHE ALSO
42:14 - TESTIFIED THAT PART OF THEIR
42:16 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT WITH
42:17 - AND THE D O C IS MEANT TO
42:19 - STABILIZE AN INDIVIDUAL.
42:21 - SO IT GOES TO SHOW THAT MIGHT
42:23 - STOP YOU THAT YOU'RE GETTING
42:25 - INTO A FACT-BASED ARGUMENT
42:26 - WHICH IS NOT THIS COURT'S.
42:28 - BAILEY WORK WHAT WE'RE
42:29 - INTERESTED IS THE
42:30 - STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION. FOR
42:34 - WHATEVER
42:35 - IS E SO IF YOU COULD DIRECT
42:37 - YOURSELF TO THAT, BUT LET ME
42:39 - SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU ALONG
42:40 - THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE STATUE
42:43 - AMBIGUOUS.
42:44 - NO I DON'T THINK 74 THREES
42:46 - AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW
42:47 - YOU CAN SAY THAT WE'RE OFFICE
42:49 - SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AS TO
42:51 - WHETHER THESE ARE.
42:52 - THE FIRST SENTENCE SECOND
42:54 - SENTENCE.
42:56 - WHICH IS THE WAY ARE OPPOSING
42:57 - COUNSEL WOULD READ IT WHETHER
42:59 - IT'S ONE CONTINUE.
43:01 - AND OF COURSE IT'S IT THERE'S
43:02 - AN OR IN ITS TITLE. HOW CAN YOU
43:05 - SAY THAT IT'S CLEAR.
43:07 - I GUESS YOU CAN STICK YOUR GUYS
43:08 - BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE
43:10 - LOADED.
43:12 - WHEN YOU ARE READ A STATUE
43:14 - YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE EFFECT
43:16 - TO ALL OF ITS PIECES AND YOU'RE
43:19 - SUPPOSED TO READ THEM TOGETHER.
43:21 - SO THERE ARE ONLY 2 SENTENCES
43:23 - IN THIS
43:24 - ONE SECTION AND BOTH SENTENCES
43:27 - SPECIFICALLY CONTEMPLATE
43:28 - RESUMPTION OF PROCEEDINGS.
43:30 - THEY BOTH USE THE WORD RESUME
43:32 - EVEN THE SECOND SENTENCE IS
43:33 - TALKING ABOUT RESUMING.
43:35 - IT IS STATE AND THERE'S MENTAL
43:37 - HEALTH
43:37 - PROCEDURES ACT THE CASE IS
43:39 - STAYED SO CLEARLY IT'S
43:41 - CONTEMPLATING.
43:43 - BEING RESUMED THE WAY THAT IS
43:44 - RESUMED AS IF THAT PERSON
43:46 - REGAINS COMPETENCY. BUT IF WHAT
43:48 - IF.
43:49 - READING THAT READING THIS
43:51 - PROVISION THAT YOU SENSE OF
43:52 - THIS PROVISION.
43:58 - IF THE COMPETENCE IS REGAIN THE
44:00 - PROCEEDING SHALL
44:00 - BE RESUMED. THEN IF THE COURT
44:03 - IS OF THE OPINION BY THE REASON
44:05 - THE PASSAGE OF TIME IT'S
44:06 - ENTERED SEVERAL BE UNJUST TO
44:07 - RESUME. THE COURT
44:09 - MAY DISMISS. SO.
44:13 - WHY WOULD IT BE UNJUST.
44:18 - OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE HAS
44:20 - NOT REGAINED HIS COMPETENCE.
44:23 - IF YOU REGAIN HIS COMPETENCE
44:24 - PRESUMABLY IT'S NOT AN JUSTIN
44:26 - GO FORWARD.
44:28 - SO THIS THIS IS
44:31 - THE
44:32 - WAY THE 743 AS A WHOLE
44:34 - CAN IT HAS CONSTRUCTED ALLOWS
44:38 - THE DEFENDANT TO ASSERT THAT
44:41 - THERE HAS BEEN SOME PREJUDICE.
44:42 - WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT
44:44 - ON EVIDENCE ABOUT
44:46 - HOW THE PASSAGE OF TIME HAS
44:48 - IMPACTED YOUR ABILITY TO.
44:51 - PRESENTED DEFENSE WHETHER IT BE
44:53 - IMPACT ON YOUR MEMORY WHETHER
44:55 - IT BE SPOILING ATION OF
44:56 - EVIDENCE LOSS OF WITNESS NOT A
44:58 - STREAM READING IS IT
45:00 - MORE LOGICAL.
45:02 - TO READ THIS AND REALIZE THE
45:04 - LEGISLATURE WAS SAYING LOOK IF
45:06 - EVERYBODY AGREES. THIS
45:07 - GUY'S NOT YOU KNOW COMING BACK
45:09 - INTO THE REALM OF SANITY.
45:12 - THE COURT MAY DISMISS IT
45:14 - DOESN'T NOT THE COURT MUST
45:15 - DISMISS THE COURT MAY. AND THIS
45:17 - COURT AND ITS DISCRETION.
45:20 - WEIGH THE EVIDENCE IN AND DID
45:22 - DISMISS IT ISN'T THAT THE MORE
45:24 - LOGICAL READING OF WHAT THE
45:25 - LEGISLATURE DID HERE,
45:27 - WE'LL HAVE.
45:28 - THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE
45:30 - TRIAL COURT TO HAVE THE ABILITY
45:32 - TO HAVE THE DISCRETION TO
45:33 - UNILATERALLY DISMISS A CASE IT
45:36 - WOULD HAVE SAID THAT.
45:38 - IT DOES BUT THE OTHER
45:38 - ARGUMENT IS IT DID SAY THAT
45:40 - YEAH IT DOES SAY THAT COULD
45:41 - MAKE WHICH BRINGS ME BACK AND
45:43 - THEY KEEP HARPING ON
45:44 - THIS POINT BUT THIS ENTIRE
45:46 - STAFF HE IS BASED ON AN
45:48 - UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERY 90
45:50 - DAYS, THE TRIAL JUDGE IS GOING
45:51 - TO BE TOLD HOW THIS GUY DOING.
45:54 - YES
45:54 - AND SO IT WOULD BE A 3RD LET'S
45:57 - ASSUME FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT
45:58 - THAT THE STATUTE WORKS IN THE
46:00 - MANNER IN WHICH THE LEGISLATURE
46:01 - INTENDED THAT EVERY
46:03 - 90 DAYS FOR 2 YEARS A TRIAL
46:06 - JUDGE GETS REPORTED THAT SAYS
46:08 - HE'S NEVER GOING TO
46:10 - BE COMPETENT. HE IS NEVER GOING
46:12 - TO BE CONFIDENT HE'S NEVER
46:14 - GOING TO BE COMPETENT.
46:15 - THE JUDGE CERTAINLY CAN SUE US
46:17 - POINT THEY SAY I'M MISSING THE
46:19 - CHARGES.
46:21 - I MEAN IT AND AND YOU
46:23 - KNOW WE'RE CERTAIN OF ISOLATING
46:25 - THIS STATUE TO THESE 2
46:26 - SENTENCES WITHOUT IN MY VIEW,
46:29 - LOOKING AT THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT
46:31 - IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE.
46:33 - SO IN THAT
46:34 - THESE 90 DAY ASSESSMENTS DID
46:36 - NOT TAKE PLACE WHY DIDN'T HE
46:38 - COMMONWEALTH ASKED FOR AN
46:39 - ASSESSMENT OR DO YOU AGREE HE'S
46:42 - NEVER GOING TO REGAIN
46:43 - COMPETENCY.
46:44 - I DON'T AGREE THAT HE'S NEVER
46:46 - GOING TO REGAIN COMPETENCY
46:47 - THERE WAS NEVER EVIDENCE
46:49 - PRESENTED TO SAY THAT DOCTORS
46:50 - CAN TELL IS REPORT DIDN'T SAY
46:52 - THAT WHY DIDN'T HE ASK WE CAN
46:54 - MAKE IT I DID ASK FOR
46:55 - EXAMINATION.
46:58 - AND THAT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE
47:00 - IT WOULD GET.
47:01 - YOU ASKED FOR A REEXAMINATION
47:03 - AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE
47:04 - MOTION TO DISMISS WAS FILED IS
47:07 - THAT ACCURATE. YES, I
47:08 - DID THAT.
47:09 - WELL LET ME ASK YOU BEFORE WE
47:10 - CONCLUDE REALLY QUICK NOT ONLY.
47:13 - WE SPENT WE DO I THINK IT'S IN
47:15 - THAT AND THE NEW STATUTE THAT
47:17 - DOESN'T MEAN YOU
47:17 - DON'T PREVAIL. I ALSO THINK
47:19 - THERE'S NO CASE LAW SUPPORTING
47:20 - YOU IN IN HAYS OR.
47:24 - THE COURT AND SUPERIOR COURT
47:25 - DETERMINED THAT THE DEFENDANT
47:26 - WAS COMPETENT.
47:28 - THEREFORE IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO
47:30 - TO THE TO 7 O 4 E
47:32 - WE DECIDED WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING
47:34 - SHOULD BE DISMISSED OR NOT IF
47:36 - THE DEFENDANT REMAINS
47:37 - INCOMPETENT. NEVERTHELESS IT
47:39 - DID THAT BUT THAT WAS PURE
47:40 - DICTATE THAT IN THE WHICH WAS
47:42 - DECIDED SOME MONTHS
47:43 - LATER APPARENTLY. THE COURT
47:46 - SAID WERE CONSTRAINED BY A HAZE
47:49 - OR TO RULE THIS WAY AND AGAIN
47:52 - RESPECTFULLY MCARDLE
47:53 - WAS WRONG BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN
47:55 - THE SPIRIT COURT WAS NOT
47:56 - OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE PURE
47:58 - DICK TO PACER NOT THE TAKE
48:00 - ISSUE WITH THAT ANALYSIS.
48:07 - WELL
48:09 - WE DECIDED THAT
48:10 - 743 E DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE
48:14 - THEY READ THAT SECTION AS THE
48:16 - DEFENDANT HAVING TOO REGAIN
48:18 - COMPETENCE FIRST.
48:20 - AND THEY THEY
48:22 - THEMSELVES FOUND THAT THERE WAS
48:23 - NO CASE LAW OR STATUTE THAT
48:25 - ALLOWED FOR DISMISSAL WHETHER
48:26 - DNA IS COPIED YOU READ THAT
48:28 - PART OF IT I'M SURE YOU'VE READ
48:29 - IT DID NOT RELY ON TASER.
48:32 - IT DID DISCUSS THESE ARE YES
48:34 - AND IN A NEW GREEN HAZE IT WAS
48:36 - PURE GET THERE.
48:37 - IT WAS DICK TO YES AND LET ME
48:39 - ASK YOU IT HAS COURTS GENERALLY
48:42 - DON'T DO USELESS ACTS.
48:45 - AND IN THE MCARDLE OPINION THE
48:48 - SUPERIOR COURT SAID THAT WHILE
48:49 - WE CAN SEE THE
48:51 - POINTLESS THIS REVERSING THE
48:53 - TRIAL COURT REINSTATING CHARGES
48:55 - FOR WHICH THE DEFENDANT WILL
48:56 - MOST LIKELY NEVER STAND TRIAL
48:58 - WE'RE CONSTRAINED TO DO SO SAY
49:01 - HAYES ARE ABSENT ANY STATUTORY
49:04 - AUTHORITY FOR DISMISSAL.
49:07 - WELL WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS
49:08 - ABOUT ACCORD BEING CONSTRAINED
49:10 - TO WITH WITH IT IT. CONCEDES
49:13 - IS A THE POINT IS THAT.
49:17 - WELL NOW WE GO TO THEIR
49:18 - PREROGATIVE OF THE LEGISLATURE
49:20 - AND THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD
49:21 - PERHAPS COULD THIS STATUTE BE
49:25 - PUTS
49:26 - A STAY. BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO
49:28 - FILE CERTAIN MOTIONS WHERE YOUR
49:30 - CLIENT IS
49:31 - NOT REQUIRED.
49:32 - SECTION GROUP GIVES YOU THE
49:35 - RIGHT TO COUNSEL THROUGHOUT IT
49:39 - SAYS THAT YOU SHALL DO
49:40 - THOSE EVALUATIONS. THEN YOU
49:42 - HAVE SECTION D WAS CHART WHICH
49:45 - ADDRESSES.
49:47 - DISCHARGE FROM DETENTION SHOULD
49:49 - THERE BE A PROBLEM WITH NOT
49:52 - BEING ABLE TO
49:52 - BE RESTORED AND A COMPETENCY AN
49:55 - INTERESTING SORT OF LIMIT OF
49:56 - INTERESTINGLY INDY.
49:58 - YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT
50:00 - RESTORATION TO COMPETENCY.
50:02 - AND ONE WONDERS WHETHER THE
50:03 - GENERAL ASSEMBLY IF THEY REALLY
50:05 - WANTED TO GIVE THE TRIAL COURT
50:06 - AUTHORITY TO DISMISS WHEN
50:08 - THERE'S A LACK OF PROBABILITY
50:09 - OF RESTORATION TO COMPETENCY.
50:11 - THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE
50:12 - DISMISSAL LANGUAGE AND E
50:14 - IN ADDITION TO THE DISCHARGE
50:15 - LANGUAGE THAT THEY PUT IN INDY
50:17 - YESTERDAY HAVE THE ABILITY
50:19 - TO IT.
50:20 - SPECIFIC TO SPECIFY THAT YOU
50:22 - COULD DISMISS UNDER THOSE
50:23 - CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THEY DID
50:25 - NOT.
50:29 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU
50:30 - BAKING ONE AD. I THINK WE
50:32 - UNDERSTAND
50:32 - THE CASE.
50:33 - KNOW YOUR HONORS I WILL STAND
50:34 - ON MY BRIEF OR ANY OTHER
50:35 - REMAINING ISSUES.
50:37 - THANK YOU TO BOTH BOTH
50:38 - COUNCIL.
50:41 - THE SECOND CASE YOU'RE
50:42 - GOING TO HEAR IS CALLED
50:43 - COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA
50:45 - VERSUS MICHAEL JONES IT'S
50:46 - ANOTHER CRIMINAL CASE AND THIS
50:48 - APPEAL.
50:49 - IT INVOLVES THE DEFENDANT'S
50:51 - RIGHT. UNDER THE CONFRONTATION
50:53 - CLAUSE OF THE 6TH AMENDMENT OF
50:55 - THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
50:57 - TO CONFRONT WITNESSES AND
51:00 - EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM.
51:02 - THIS PROVISION OF THE
51:03 - CONSTITUTION WAS APPLIED IN A
51:05 - NOTABLE UNITED STATES SUPREME
51:07 - COURT CASE CALLED BRUTON ITS PR
51:10 - AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT
51:11 - THAT AND WHAT THE CONFRONTATION
51:14 - CLAUSE DOES IS ENSURE THAT A
51:16 - DEFENDANT CAN CHALLENGE
51:18 - EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES
51:19 - AGAINST HIM. THE RELEVANT FACTS
51:21 - ARE THAT ON A PARTICULAR DAY
51:23 - BACK IN 2016 AT 3.30 IN THE
51:25 - MORNING. THE DEFENDANT MISTER
51:27 - JONES AND HIS FRIEND
51:28 - MISTER WILSON SHOT A CAB DRIVER
51:31 - WHO SURVIVED. JONES AND WILSON
51:34 - WERE CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED
51:36 - MURDER AND
51:36 - OTHER CRIMES. AFTER THEIR
51:39 - ARREST WILSON GAVE
51:40 - A STATEMENT IN WHICH HE
51:42 - IMPLICATED BOTH JONES AND
51:44 - WILSON.
51:45 - THE CASE THEN MOVE
51:47 - FORWARD TO A TRIAL AT WHICH
51:49 - BOTH JONES AND WILSON WERE
51:51 - TRIED TOGETHER. THAT'S CALLED
51:52 - THE CONSOLIDATED TRIAL. WILSON
51:55 - DID
51:56 - NOT TESTIFY. BUT A DETECTIVE
51:58 - READ THE STATEMENT HE GAVE THAT
52:00 - ALLEGEDLY IN COAL IMPLICATED
52:02 - BOTH HIM MISTER JONES.
52:06 - BECAUSE WILSON DID
52:08 - NOT TESTIFY. JONES COULD NOT
52:11 - CONFRONT THIS STATEMENT TO THE
52:13 - EXTENT IT WAS OFFERED AGAINST
52:14 - JONES TO PROTECT JONES
52:17 - CONFRONTATION CLAUSE RIGHT,
52:19 - THE TRIAL COURT REPLACED JONES
52:21 - NAME IN THIS STATEMENT WITH
52:23 - QUOTE MY FRIEND. SO THE
52:24 - STATEMENT WHEN IT REFERRED TO
52:26 - JONES WAS READ TO JUST REFER TO
52:28 - MY FRIEND.
52:30 - THE COURT ALSO INSTRUCTED THE
52:31 - JURY THAT THE STATEMENT COULD
52:33 - BE USED TO DETERMINE ONLY
52:34 - WILSON'S GUILT AND NOT JONES
52:36 - KILLED. JONES WAS CONVICTED AND
52:39 - HE
52:39 - APPEALED ARGUING THAT THE
52:41 - ADMISSION OF SOME STATEMENT
52:44 - VIOLATED THE CONFRONTATION
52:45 - CLAUSE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH JONES
52:48 - NAME WAS REPLACED WITH
52:49 - MY FRIEND. OTHER EVIDENCE IN
52:51 - THE CASE A STAB LISH THAT JONES
52:54 - AND WILSON WERE FRIENDS WHO
52:55 - WORK TOGETHER. THE SUPERIOR
52:57 - COURT AFFIRMED JONES
52:59 - CONVICTION.
53:01 - AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOW
53:04 - ALLOWED AN APPEAL TO DETERMINE
53:05 - WHETHER THE INTRODUCTION OF
53:07 - JOAN
53:08 - STATEMENT VIOLATED.
53:10 - INSTRUCTIONAL WILSON STATEMENT
53:11 - VIOLATED JONES CONFRONTATION
53:13 - CLAUSE RIGHT UNUSUALLY IN THIS
53:16 - CASE, THE COMMONWEALTH, THE
53:17 - PROSECUTOR AGREES THAT THE
53:19 - ADMISSION OF THE STATEMENT
53:21 - VIOLATED JONES. A CONFRONTATION
53:24 - CLAUSE RIGHT
53:25 - BUT THE COMMONWEALTH ARGUES
53:26 - THAT A NEW TRIAL IS NOT
53:28 - REQUIRED BECAUSE AMPLE OTHER
53:30 - EVIDENCE IDENTIFIED JONES AS
53:32 - ONE OF
53:33 - THE SHOOTERS THE DEFENDER
53:35 - ASSOCIATION OF PHILADELPHIA
53:36 - WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE PUBLIC
53:38 - DEFENDER IN
53:38 - PHILADELPHIA COUNTY HAS FALLEN
53:41 - AND A KISS BRIEF
53:42 - FOR JONES ARGUING THAT THE
53:44 - REPLACEMENT OF HIS NAME WITH MY
53:46 - FRIEND WAS INSUFFICIENT TO
53:48 - PROTECT HIS CONFRONTATION
53:50 - CLAUSE RIGHT.
53:51 - THE PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT
53:53 - ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. HAS
53:55 - FILED AN AMICUS
53:56 - CURIAE BRIEF AND BY THE WAY
53:58 - AMICUS CURIAE BRIEFS ARE JUST
54:00 - FRIEND OF THE
54:00 - COURT BRIEFS. THEY'RE FILED BY
54:03 - ENTITIES THAT HAVE AN INTEREST
54:04 - IN THE CASE BUT ARE NOT
54:05 - PARTIES. SO THE COURT ALLOW
54:07 - SUCH ENTITIES TO FILE BRIEFS
54:09 - JUST EXPLAINING THEIR POSITION
54:11 - EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT
54:12 - DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE CASE.
54:14 - SO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
54:15 - ASSOCIATION HAS FILED AN AMICUS
54:17 - CURIAE BRIEF ARGUING
54:19 - THAT THE MISSION OF WILSON
54:20 - STATEMENT WAS PROPER
54:22 - AND THAT IT WAS HARMLESS ERROR
54:24 - EVEN
54:24 - IF AIR BECAUSE AMPLE OTHER
54:26 - EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT JONES WAS
54:29 - GUILTY. NOW LET'S GO TO THE
54:30 - COURTROOM TO HEAR THE ARGUMENT.
54:33 - GOOD MORNING. WE GRANT THAT
54:34 - ALLOWED TO THE APPEAL IN THIS
54:35 - MATTER.
54:36 - TO EXAMINE THE
54:38 - MANNER IN WHICH THE SUPERIOR
54:39 - COURT APPLIED THE U.S. SUPREME
54:41 - COURT'S CASE OF BREWTON VERSUS
54:43 - UNITED STATES
54:44 - WHICH HELD THAT THE ADMISSION
54:46 - OF NON TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANTS
54:48 - CONFESSION THAT IMPLICATED.
54:50 - WHAT THE DEFENDANT AT A JOINT
54:52 - TRIAL VIOLATED THAT DEFENDANT'S
54:54 - CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
54:55 - CONFRONT WITNESSES, EVEN THOUGH
54:57 - THE TRIAL COURT DID ISSUE A
54:59 - CAUTIONARY INSTRUCTION THAT THE
55:01 - STATEMENT SHOULD ONLY BE YEARS
55:02 - AGAINST THE CO DEFENDANT.
55:06 - BECAUSE THE PHILADELPHIA
55:08 - DISTRICT
55:09 - ATTORNEYS OFFICE AGREED THAT
55:12 - THERE WAS A BRUTAL VIOLATION
55:13 - PRECLUDING US FOR ADVOCACY ON
55:16 - BOTH SIDES OF THE GROUP
55:17 - IN QUESTION. WE TOOK THE VERY
55:19 - UNUSUAL STEP OF AMICUS
55:22 - TO ARGUE. ON BEHALF OF THE
55:24 - COMMONWEALTH AND THEN WE
55:25 - ALLOWED OF MIKA'S
55:27 - FOR THE DEFENDANT SOLELY AS AN
55:29 - EXERCISE OF PARITY SO WE WERE
55:31 - IN FAVOR ONE OVER THE OTHER.
55:32 - I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO
55:34 - CAUTION ALL OF YOU
55:38 - I'M GOING
55:38 - TO BE POLITELY INSISTENT THAT
55:41 - YOU DON'T GANG UP THE DON'T
55:43 - REPEAT ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE
55:45 - ALREADY BEEN MADE AND THE ONLY
55:47 - ADD SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT
55:49 - BEEN MADE BECAUSE WE WANT WE
55:50 - DON'T WANT TO END OUR CAREERS
55:52 - ON THIS CASE.
55:54 - WITH THAT MISTER CHISHOLM.
55:56 - MAY PLEASE THE COURT MORNING
55:58 - ARRIVES.
56:00 - I'LL BE ARGUING WHEN BEHALF
56:02 - OF THE BASICALLY WHAT YOU JUST
56:04 - STATED YOUR HONOR THAT THE
56:05 - TRIAL COURT AND THE SUPERIOR
56:08 - COURT IN ALLOWING A NON
56:10 - TESTIFYING CO DEFENDANTS
56:11 - CONFESSION TO BE INTRODUCED BY
56:14 - THE PROSECUTOR WHERE THE
56:15 - CONFESSION EXPLICITLY AND
56:17 - UNAMBIGUOUSLY IMPLICATED THE
56:19 - APPELLANT AS A PARTICIPANT IN
56:21 - THE ROBBERY AND
56:21 - A SHOOTING. AND LATELY LINK
56:24 - PALIN AS A PARTICIPANT IN
56:26 - THE SHOOTING ALL IN VIOLATION
56:29 - PELLETS 6TH AMENDMENT RIGHT.
56:31 - THE CONFRONTATION PURSUANT TO
56:33 - PROVE THE UNITED STATES.
56:35 - AND PENNSYLVANIA ARTICLE ONE
56:37 - SECTION 9 CONSTITUTION RIGHT
56:39 - TO CONFRONTATION. THE AMICUS
56:43 - DEFENDER ASSOCIATION WE'LL BE
56:45 - PRESENTING AN ARGUMENT THAT
56:47 - THE REDACTION OVEN ON
56:48 - TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANT
56:50 - STATEMENT WITH A NEUTRAL
56:52 - PRONOUN IS NOT ALWAYS
56:54 - SUFFICIENT UNDER THE 6TH
56:55 - AMENDMENT AND COURTS MUST APPLY
56:58 - THE BROADER APPROACH AS
57:00 - REQUIRED BY THE UNITED STATES
57:02 - SUPREME COURT WITH I THINK
57:06 - THAT.
57:08 - THERE IS A CONCESSION WITHIN
57:10 - THE COMMONWEALTH'S BRIEF THAT
57:11 - THERE WAS A PROVEN ISSUE ABREU
57:13 - VIOLATION AND IN THIS CASE.
57:16 - WITH WHAT WE HAD WAS
57:19 - FACIAL INCRIMINATION FACIAL
57:21 - IMPLICATION. AND LATE LINKAGE.
57:26 - BASICALLY GOES TO THE SEQUENCE
57:28 - OF EVENTS IN THIS CASE. YOU HAD
57:30 - A. WITNESS
57:33 - MICHAEL HOUSTON WHO WAS THE
57:35 - OWNER OF JACK'S FIREHOUSE WHO
57:38 - EMPLOYED BOTH MICHAEL JONES
57:40 - THE TALENT AND CONFESSOR SAYING
57:44 - WILSON.
57:46 - MR. HOUSTON TESTIFIED THAT HE
57:49 - KNEW BOTH GENTLEMEN AS.
57:51 - FRIENDS AND CO EMPLOYEES AND
57:55 - THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT
57:57 - THERE WAS A PURPOSEFUL
57:58 - PLACEMENT BY THE DA'S OFFICE TO
58:01 - HAVE A DETECTIVE THE SIGN
58:03 - DETECTIVE IN THIS CASE, TESTIFY
58:06 - THAT THE CONFESS ERS
58:08 - A STATEMENT BASICALLY FACIALLY.
58:13 - IMPLICATED.
58:15 - WERE BLATANTLY LINKED. MICHAEL
58:17 - JONES TO THE.
58:19 - CONFESSION BY HAVING DETECTIVE
58:21 - READ IN THE CONFESSION
58:23 - THAT.
58:25 - MICHAEL JONES. MY FRIEND AT
58:28 - JACK'S FIREHOUSE WAS THE
58:30 - SHOOTER. SO WITH THAT. WE THINK
58:32 - THAT WE'VE FOUND A
58:34 - BRUTAL VIOLATION WITH ALL 3 OF
58:36 - THE FEDERAL LAW PRECEDENCE IN
58:38 - THIS CASE AND YOUR YOUR
58:40 - ARGUMENT IS IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A
58:42 - PROVEN VIOLATION BECAUSE.
58:44 - THERE WAS
58:45 - NO OTHER PERSON IN THIS TRIAL
58:48 - WHO COULD HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED
58:49 - AS MY FRIEND
58:51 - AND PARTICULARLY NO ONE WHO
58:52 - COULD HAVE BEEN
58:53 - IDENTIFIED AS MY FRIEND FROM
58:55 - THE FIREHOUSE BECAUSE THIS WAS
58:57 - HIS FRIEND WHO WORKED WITH HIM
58:59 - AT THE FIREHOUSE YES, YOUR
59:01 - HONOR.
59:03 - AGAIN WE HAD
59:05 - THE COMMONWEALTH'S
59:06 - A BRIEF FROM THE DISTRICT
59:09 - ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS CONCEDING.
59:11 - THE PROVEN ISSUE.
59:13 - THE AMICUS IT'S BASICALLY
59:16 - RELYING ON TRAVER YS.
59:23 - BASICALLY SAYS THAT.
59:27 - CRAVER'S
59:27 - HE CRIES A CONTEXTUAL
59:30 - IMPLICATION AND LINKAGE
59:32 - HOWEVER, THIS CLEAR LANGUAGE IN
59:34 - IN TRADERS
59:38 - IF THERE IS A BLATANT.
59:41 - INCRIMINATION BUT THAT IS IF
59:44 - OUT REIVERS SO THIS CASE EVEN.
59:49 - IT'S IT PRESENTS THE THE
59:51 - BLATANT LINKAGE THE FACIAL
59:53 - INCRIMINATION THE IMPLICATION
59:55 - THAT EVEN TO CRY BY TRADERS SO.
59:59 - 110 YOU KNOW.
01:00 - 04.079 ALL THE CASE SEEMS TO A FALL
01:00 - 06.569 INCOMPLETE LINE THAT THERE WAS
01:00 - 08.820 A BRUTE IN VIOLATION. NOW.
01:00 - 10.890 BOTH.
01:00 - 13.440 THE PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT
01:00 - 15.739 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND THE
01:00 - 18.939 AMICUS. OTHER SIDE OF
01:00 - 20.509 THE AMICUS WE'RE ARGUING
01:00 - 23.940 HARMLESS ERROR. AND.
01:00 - 25.410 WITH
01:00 - 27.499 HARMLESS ERROR THAT'S A BIRD AT
01:00 - 28.970 THE COMMONWEALTH HAS TO CARRY.
01:00 - 30.530 BEYOND A
01:00 - 33.580 REASONABLE DOUBT THAT IN FROM.
01:00 - 37.670 OBJECTIONABLE. EVIDENCE.
01:00 - 40.000 WE DIDN'T.
01:00 - 43.140 CAUSE THE.
01:00 - 46.239 THE ERROR THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY
01:00 - 49.719 FOR ALL RIGHT. IN THIS CASE IF
01:00 - 50.720 YOU.
01:00 - 55.540 IF YOU SUBTRACT THE CONFESSION.
01:00 - 57.070 ALL YOU
01:00 - 00.309 HAVE IS THE COMPLAINT MISTER
01:01 - 03.509 DE STUNS. TESTIMONY IS
01:01 - 05.099 TO STATEMENT. HIS EVIDENCE
01:01 - 05.930 REGARDING WHAT HAPPENED
01:01 - 07.949 THAT NIGHT AND OUT EXCEPT I'D
01:01 - 09.539 ASK YOU TO ACCEPT THAT WAS TO
01:01 - 11.029 CHOOSE AND THAT'S NOT SO YOU
01:01 - 13.009 HAD. MR. HOUSTON WHO OWNED
01:01 - 15.510 JACK'S RESTAURANT, WE LIKE THE
01:01 - 16.710 YOUR CLIENT
01:01 - 20.029 AS THE A PERSON IN THE SEPT THE
01:01 - 22.709 PICTURE. THE COMMITTEE ACT YOU
01:01 - 24.869 HAVE THE VICTIM WHO IDENTIFIED
01:01 - 27.089 HIM AND YOU HAVE HIS DNA IN
01:01 - 29.279 THE CAB WHERE THE WHERE THE
01:01 - 31.229 CRIME OCCURRED RESPECTFULLY
01:01 - 33.339 THAT IS CORRECT. BUT THE DNA
01:01 - 35.469 ONLY PUTS HIM IN DEKALB THE DNA
01:01 - 36.589 DOESN'T TELL US WHAT HAPPENED
01:01 - 39.129 INSIDE OF THE CAT AND SO SO YOU
01:01 - 41.919 WOULD SAY. I'M SORRY I
01:01 - 43.050 INTERRUPTED YOU, BUT
01:01 - 45.269 YES HE WAS IN THAT CAB, HE WAS
01:01 - 46.669 WITH THE OTHER CO-DEFENDANT,
01:01 - 48.159 THERE WAS A CRIME BUT WE DON'T
01:01 - 49.160 KNOW IF YOU COMMITTED IT
01:01 - 51.329 AND WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN WE
01:01 - 53.279 LOOK AT THE ABSENCE OF ANY
01:01 - 55.499 COOPERATING EVIDENCE AS TO WHAT
01:01 - 57.879 THE CAB DRIVER SAID THEN YOU
01:01 - 59.319 KNOW WE HAVE THE CAB DRIVER
01:01 - 00.599 SAYING HE WAS SHOT AT CLOSE
01:02 - 03.210 RANGE. HE WAS ALSO IMPEACHED.
01:02 - 05.140 EFFECTIVELY IMPEACH TO TRIAL
01:02 - 06.749 WHEN HE TESTIFIED THAT HE
01:02 - 09.069 HADN'T TAKEN ANY DRUGS HAD NO
01:02 - 10.949 OPIATES IN HIS SYSTEM, HOWEVER
01:02 - 12.259 HIS MEDICAL RECORDS COME BACK
01:02 - 14.509 AND SAY THAT HE HAD TESTED
01:02 - 16.499 POSITIVE FOR OPIATES SO NOW WE
01:02 - 17.010 HAVE A
01:02 - 19.229 CREDIBILITY ISSUE AND WE ALSO
01:02 - 20.819 HAVE A PERCEPTION ISSUE FOR
01:02 - 21.530 PERSONS HIGH
01:02 - 23.659 ON OPIATES THEIR PERCEPTION AS
01:02 - 24.630 REGARD TO THE EVENTS THAT
01:02 - 26.399 OCCURRED INSIDE OF THAT CAB ARE
01:02 - 27.909 IMPACTED AND MEMORY
01:02 - 29.549 IS IMPACTED. THERE'S NO
01:02 - 31.239 EVIDENCE THAT THE VICTIM SHOT
01:02 - 32.639 HIMSELF, SO WE KNOW ONE OF
01:02 - 34.319 THESE 2 CO-DEFENDANTS WERE BOTH
01:02 - 36.350 SHOT. IT WAS A SHOT IN THE
01:02 - 38.409 RIGHT UPPER EXTREMITY FROM THE
01:02 - 39.949 BACK OF THE VEHICLE WHICH IS
01:02 - 42.799 MISTER WILSON. THE 2 WOUNDS ON
01:02 - 45.720 THE COMPLAINANTS HEAD. WE ARE.
01:02 - 48.550 LACERATIONS
01:02 - 50.119 THERE'S NO MEDICAL EVIDENCE
01:02 - 51.379 THAT THERE ARE ANY THAT THERE'S
01:02 - 53.349 ANY SORT ANY STRIPLING WHICH
01:02 - 54.330 WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH A
01:02 - 56.369 CLOSE-RANGE SHOOTING INSIDE OF
01:02 - 58.349 A CAB IN THAT FRONT PASSENGER
01:02 - 00.690 COMPARTMENT. THERE'S NO GSR
01:03 - 02.569 OBTAINED WITH IN GUNSHOT
01:03 - 04.359 RESIDUE IN THE FRONT PASSENGER
01:03 - 05.839 COMPARTMENT, THE CAR ANYWHERE
01:03 - 06.640 NOT JUST ONE
01:03 - 08.949 MISTER DESTIN. BUT GUNSHOT
01:03 - 11.230 RESIDUE THERE'S A A TRACE
01:03 - 13.479 EVIDENCE THEY CAN BE
01:03 - 15.739 COLLECTED FROM A DASHBOARD
01:03 - 17.410 STEERING WHEEL. SO
01:03 - 19.839 THOSE INJURIES. WHEN
01:03 - 21.619 MISTER DESTIN. WE COULD BE
01:03 - 22.620 CONSISTENT
01:03 - 26.309 A BLUNT IN IMPACT INJURY AIRBAG
01:03 - 27.489 DEPLOYING AHEAD HITTING A
01:03 - 29.579 STEERING WHEEL. AND ESPECIALLY
01:03 - 30.400 WHEN YOU CONSIDER HIS
01:03 - 32.309 CREDIBILITY ISSUES THAT HE SAID
01:03 - 34.159 HE WASN'T HIGH ON OPIATES YET
01:03 - 35.549 HE TEST POSITIVE AT THE
01:03 - 37.329 HOSPITAL THAT GOES TO
01:03 - 38.839 CREDIBILITY AND ALSO GOES TO
01:03 - 42.380 MEMORY AND PERCEPTION. SO THAT
01:03 - 44.409 I DIDN'T DID THE SUPERIOR COURT
01:03 - 45.300 GET TO THE HARMLESS ERROR
01:03 - 47.069 QUESTION. I'M SORRY SIR TO THE
01:03 - 49.079 SUPERIOR COURT GET TO THE
01:03 - 50.279 HARMLESS ERROR EVEN STAYED IN
01:03 - 53.299 TOUCH THAT. THE HARMLESS ISSUE
01:03 - 54.990 WASN'T PRESENTED IN TILL.
01:03 - 58.150 MY BEST RECOLLECTION WAS THE
01:03 - 00.880 APPELLATE AND MAKE US BRIEFED
01:04 - 01.310 THAT'S
01:04 - 03.569 BEFORE YOU. TODAY I DON'T I
01:04 - 05.479 DON'T RECALLS A ADDRESSING ANY
01:04 - 07.219 HARMLESS IS SO SHOULD WE LET'S
01:04 - 08.969 ASSUME, LET'S ASSUME WE FIND A
01:04 - 10.500 VIOLATION HERE.
01:04 - 13.449 SHOULD WE GET THE HARMLESS
01:04 - 14.689 ERROR SHOULD BE REMANDED FOR
01:04 - 16.359 HARMLESS OR ANALYSIS. I DON'T
01:04 - 17.819 THINK YOU GET A HARMLESS ERROR
01:04 - 18.590 YOU KNOW I
01:04 - 20.579 WELL WE FIND A BRUTAL VIOLATION
01:04 - 21.979 WEEKEND THAT DOESN'T THE
01:04 - 22.700 COMMONWEALTH HAVE AN
01:04 - 24.119 OPPORTUNITY TO OCEAN THEY HAVE
01:04 - 25.459 YET HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
01:04 - 27.210 ARGUE AND AS YOU SAY PRESENT.
01:04 - 29.419 HARMLESS ERROR ARGUMENT YEAH,
01:04 - 30.589 I MEAN THEY CAN THEY CAN
01:04 - 31.849 PRESENT IT, BUT I DON'T I
01:04 - 32.850 WOULD.
01:04 - 34.669 ASK YOU TO NOT
01:04 - 36.449 ENTERTAIN IT AND I'D ASK YOU
01:04 - 39.029 THAT REMANDED IT BACK MIGHT BE
01:04 - 40.150 A AN OPTION.
01:04 - 42.679 SO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MY
01:04 - 43.680 RESPONSE TO
01:04 - 45.869 WE'D LIKE TO SUPERIOR COURT
01:04 - 47.529 DIDN'T ADDRESS IT AT ALL WASN'T
01:04 - 48.839 PRESENTED IN ANY BRIEFS
01:04 - 50.479 HOPEFULLY I ADDRESS THAT
01:04 - 52.869 THAT ISSUE. I JUST YOU THAT I
01:04 - 54.339 THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE
01:04 - 55.789 FIND A BRITON VIOLATION YOU
01:04 - 57.629 BELIEVE. IT
01:04 - 59.679 SHOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY
01:04 - 00.330 THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE AN
01:05 - 02.239 OPPORTUNITY TO ARGUE HARMLESS
01:05 - 03.379 ERROR WE SHOULD REMANDED TO THE
01:05 - 04.609 SUPERIOR COURT WE SHOULD NOT
01:05 - 06.359 ADDRESS THE NATION THAT THAT'S
01:05 - 07.430 THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.
01:05 - 08.969 WHAT'S THE BENEFIT IN THAT
01:05 - 10.269 CIRCUMSTANCE OF HAVING THE
01:05 - 11.919 SUPERIOR COURT IN IN SUCH A
01:05 - 13.529 SCENARIO LOOK AT THAT RATHER
01:05 - 14.530 THAN US.
01:05 - 18.450 THAT WE HAVE BRIEFING.
01:05 - 22.869 IT WOULD CERTAINLY ALLOW ME
01:05 - 25.339 THE OPPORTUNITY I GUESS BOTH
01:05 - 27.389 PARTIES OPPORTUNITY TO TO FULLY
01:05 - 29.679 DELVE INTO THAT ISSUE MORE SO
01:05 - 30.070 AS AS
01:05 - 33.129 A CENTRAL PART OF THE CASE AS
01:05 - 34.739 OPPOSED TO MORE OF A OF UPPER
01:05 - 35.740 IF REAL.
01:05 - 40.479 ADDRESSING OF I YEAH I THINK
01:05 - 42.159 THIS CASE AND AT THIS PERIOD
01:05 - 42.660 COURT WAS
01:05 - 45.949 STRICTLY BRUTON. AND IN AND
01:05 - 47.919 WHEN YOU GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED MY
01:05 - 50.329 PEEL IT WAS IT WAS STRICTLY
01:05 - 53.019 BRUTON SO I THINK IF YOU WERE
01:05 - 54.439 TO REMANDED TO THE
01:05 - 56.839 SUPERIOR COURT. IT WOULD ALLOW
01:05 - 58.899 EVERYBODY INVOLVED TO NOW FOCUS
01:05 - 00.010 ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS.
01:06 - 04.769 ALL RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE WE
01:06 - 05.770 GET IT RIGHT
01:06 - 08.230 YOU KNOW ON THE ISSUE
01:06 - 09.899 OF HARMLESS BECAUSE WE GOT TO
01:06 - 11.179 WHERE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH
01:06 - 12.939 STOPPED ALLOWING FURTHER
01:06 - 14.459 BRIEFING IN THIS CASE AS WELL
01:06 - 16.049 BEFORE THIS COURT. YES, YES,
01:06 - 17.540 YOUR HONOR COUNCIL. YES, SIR,
01:06 - 19.330 WHAT THE REMEDY YOU SEEK.
01:06 - 22.330 THAT IN ANY ROUTINES.
01:06 - 24.760 STATEMENT IS TO BE INTRODUCED
01:06 - 26.030 THAT THERE SHOULD BE A
01:06 - 28.030 SEVERANCE OF A JOINT TRIAL.
01:06 - 29.889 WHAT IS THAT WHAT IS IT THAT
01:06 - 30.400 YOU'RE SEEKING.
01:06 - 32.170 NO I'M NOT GOING TO.
01:06 - 34.469 PRESENT THAT I THINK BRUTON
01:06 - 34.730 MADE
01:06 - 38.029 THAT CLEAR. CERTAINLY IN LINE
01:06 - 40.429 WITH ALL OF THE FEDERAL THE
01:06 - 41.720 TRILOGY OF CASES.
01:06 - 44.979 I THINK SEVERANCE IN ALL CASES
01:06 - 46.079 WHERE THERE'S A CONFESSION
01:06 - 47.449 WOULD BE AN EXTREME REMEDY.
01:06 - 49.959 IT CERTAINLY WITH TAXI FROM A
01:06 - 52.059 POLICY STANDPOINT, IT WOULD TAX
01:06 - 54.169 THE JUSTICE SYSTEM EXTREMELY
01:06 - 55.800 HAVING TO BE MULTIPLE TRIALS.
01:06 - 58.419 I THINK WHAT THIS COURT SHOULD
01:06 - 01.189 DO IS GIVE
01:07 - 05.280 US A A STANDARD. THAT IS
01:07 - 06.420 WITHIN
01:07 - 08.769 THE TRILOGY OF CASES THAT
01:07 - 10.429 SUBMITTED BY THE SUPREME COURT
01:07 - 11.740 THE BRIGHT LINE.
01:07 - 15.059 A TEST THAT NOT SEE ATED IN
01:07 - 16.789 TRAVERS SEEMS TO BE
01:07 - 18.949 SOMEWHAT UNWORKABLE AND AND ON
01:07 - 20.599 THE OTHER SO THE THE OTHER SIDE
01:07 - 21.939 OF THE ANALYSIS WOULD BE YOU
01:07 - 23.270 HAVE AN UNWORKABLE
01:07 - 25.419 A STANDARD. IT'S JUST AS
01:07 - 28.680 INEFFICIENT AS AS
01:07 - 30.729 A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO
01:07 - 32.719 SEVER ALL OF THE CASES 2, 3,
01:07 - 34.589 TRIALS AND THAT SORT OF THING
01:07 - 37.529 SO. SINCE TREY VERGES IS
01:07 - 40.709 CREATING SO MUCH. JUDICIAL
01:07 - 42.579 AND EFFICIENCY. I THINK THAT
01:07 - 44.750 THAT THE CORRECT WAY TOO
01:07 - 48.640 POLICY ISSUE AS FOR THIS COURT
01:07 - 51.589 TO TO COME UP WITH THE
01:07 - 53.579 CORRECT SOLUTION. ONE HOW THESE
01:07 - 55.319 TYPE OF CASES SHOULD
01:07 - 56.889 BE HANDLED. WELL THAT COUNCIL
01:07 - 58.059 WHAT WHAT IS THAT CORRECT
01:07 - 59.460 SOLUTION I MEAN IN THIS
01:08 - 02.919 I'M WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY
01:08 - 04.930 POSSIBLE. 2
01:08 - 07.959 REDACT THIS CAN BE CONFESSION
01:08 - 09.729 IN A WAY THAT WOULD
01:08 - 11.079 NOT HAVE IMPLICATED YOUR
01:08 - 12.080 CLIENT.
01:08 - 14.249 I MEAN IT IT MAY BE THERE ARE
01:08 - 15.619 CERTAIN CASES WHERE YOU NEED
01:08 - 17.299 TEMPER TRIALS, I'M ASKING YOU
01:08 - 18.949 THOUGH IN THIS CASE WAS THEIR
01:08 - 20.729 WAY FOR THIS COMPASSION TO BE
01:08 - 22.409 REDACTED IN THE WAY THAT WOULD
01:08 - 23.410 HAVE.
01:08 - 25.010 NEUTRALIZE IT.
01:08 - 27.499 I DON'T I WOULD NOT THINK SO
01:08 - 30.849 YOUR HONOR. I'M IN LOVE WITH
01:08 - 32.699 RICHARDSON. I'M IN LOVE WITH
01:08 - 34.610 THE WAY RICHARDSON TOOK
01:08 - 37.859 THE DEFENDANT OUT OF THE
01:08 - 38.390 STATEMENT
01:08 - 38.900 AT ALL.
01:08 - 41.489 SHORT OF THAT THE OTHER GUY
01:08 - 43.339 IS MORE NEUTRAL, THEN MY FRIEND
01:08 - 44.779 IN THIS CASE WHERE MY FRIEND
01:08 - 47.029 HAS ALREADY BEEN CHARACTERIZED
01:08 - 48.489 AS THE FRIEND FROM THE
01:08 - 51.340 FIREHOUSE WHEN THE OTHER GUY
01:08 - 52.800 THE MORE NEUTRAL.
01:08 - 57.379 THE OTHER GUY MIGHT BE BUT IN
01:08 - 59.359 THE CONTEXT OF THIS CASE WHERE
01:08 - 00.779 THEY WITH THE DA'S OFFICE
01:09 - 01.780 PURPOSELY.
01:09 - 03.879 POLICED. MISSED MISTER
01:09 - 06.209 HOUSTON'S TESTIMONY. THE
01:09 - 08.319 OTHER GUY AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE I
01:09 - 09.599 THINK WOULD WOULD STILL WANT TO
01:09 - 11.759 FOUL OF BREWTON FOR ONE SAY THE
01:09 - 13.499 OTHER GUY JACK'S FIREHOUSE
01:09 - 14.909 RIGHT WE JUST I MEAN MANY WE
01:09 - 16.539 HAVE MANY CASES WHERE THEY USE
01:09 - 17.920 THAT TERM THE OTHER GUY.
01:09 - 20.299 THAT SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS
01:09 - 23.329 PRETTY NEUTRAL. APROPOS JUSTICE
01:09 - 25.649 CAUGHT. AND IT SEEMED
01:09 - 27.550 TO ME THAT.
01:09 - 29.850 THE CASE LAW
01:09 - 32.290 HERE ROOM RICHARD SAID I
01:09 - 33.820 TRAVERS
01:09 - 36.409 OUR CASE IS IS PLENTY CLEAR IN
01:09 - 37.449 YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT WAS
01:09 - 40.069 A MISAPPLICATION BECAUSE
01:09 - 41.219 ANYBODY LISTENING TO THIS
01:09 - 43.049 STATEMENT WOULD KNOW THAT YOUR
01:09 - 44.989 CLIENT WAS THE CO-DEFENDANT
01:09 - 45.990 HERE.
01:09 - 48.019 AND SO IT DIDN'T SEEM TO ME
01:09 - 49.380 THAT WE NEEDED TO.
01:09 - 52.540 AND NONE CA TO DO STANDARD.
01:09 - 55.029 CLARIFY BRUTON FOR THE U.S.
01:09 - 56.959 SUPREME COURT WE JUST NEEDED TO
01:09 - 57.960 APPLY IT,
01:09 - 00.289 THAT'S THE TRUE VIEW EVEN EVEN
01:10 - 01.740 UNDER THE STANDARD OF TRAITORS
01:10 - 04.130 THIS IS A PROVEN VIOLATION.
01:10 - 07.309 SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR
01:10 - 09.109 NEW LAW OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR
01:10 - 11.109 WHAT YOU SEE AS THE
01:10 - 14.039 APPLICATION OF A CLEAR LAW TO
01:10 - 15.140 THE FACTS OF YOUR CASE.
01:10 - 17.749 I'M LOOKING TO HAVE
01:10 - 20.359 MY CLIENT. BACK IN THE COURT OF
01:10 - 22.699 COMMON PLEAS. I THINK THAT THE
01:10 - 24.180 DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION.
01:10 - 26.820 CERTAINLY HAS A MORE BROADER.
01:10 - 28.230 GOAL.
01:10 - 31.939 AND I MY MY NARROW PURPOSE HERE
01:10 - 33.209 IS TO CONVINCE
01:10 - 35.099 THIS COURT THAT THOUGH WE'RE
01:10 - 36.349 GOING YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT
01:10 - 37.620 THE ROAD TO GET YEAH.
01:10 - 40.539 I HAVE SAID IT BETTER HAVE ONE
01:10 - 41.540 QUICK QUESTION
01:10 - 43.809 YOUR ANSWER TO JUSTICE TODD'S
01:10 - 45.639 QUESTION WERE SHE WAS TALKING
01:10 - 46.829 ABOUT THE STANDARD USE AND
01:10 - 48.589 TRAVER IS WHERE THE WORD
01:10 - 49.600 SUBSTITUTE IT
01:10 - 52.880 THE OTHER GUY IN THIS CASE.
01:10 - 56.120 THE WORD SUBSTITUTED WAS
01:10 - 58.359 MY FRIEND AND IT SEEMS TO ME
01:10 - 59.729 THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR
01:10 - 02.089 CIRCUMSTANCE. GIVEN THE FACT
01:11 - 04.679 THAT WE'RE THE STATEMENT ITSELF
01:11 - 06.500 TALKED ABOUT 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE
01:11 - 08.909 BEING MY FRIEND DOESN'T THAT
01:11 - 11.049 WEAKEN YOUR ARGUMENT IN THIS
01:11 - 13.550 CASE. WELL I YOU KNOW I
01:11 - 16.239 IT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE
01:11 - 18.440 PURPOSE FOR PLACEMENT OF.
01:11 - 21.630 MISTER
01:11 - 23.619 HOUSTON'S TESTIMONY. I THINK I
01:11 - 25.409 WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE
01:11 - 27.669 IT WITHIN A STATEMENT. IT THERE
01:11 - 28.670 IS A SENTENCE.
01:11 - 31.489 MY RECOLLECTION I
01:11 - 32.589 WILL HAVE THOSE NOTES IN FRONT
01:11 - 34.229 OF ME WHERE THERE'S A SPECIFIC
01:11 - 35.399 REFERENCE TO MY FRIEND AT
01:11 - 36.400 JACK'S FIREHOUSE.
01:11 - 39.749 SO WITHOUT WITHOUT WITH THAT
01:11 - 41.489 THE JACKS FIREHOUSE I
01:11 - 43.489 THINK THAT. WHAT YOU JUST
01:11 - 45.249 ARTICULATED ENUNCIATED WOULD BE
01:11 - 47.369 CORRECT AND COUNCIL AS I RECALL
01:11 - 49.269 THE RECORD THAT WAS ALSO
01:11 - 51.000 COUPLED WITH THE BOSS SAID.
01:11 - 53.760 MIKE'S FIREHOUSE SAYING
01:11 - 55.799 THESE 2 GUYS WERE FRIENDS
01:11 - 57.279 OF MIKE'S FIREHOUSE THAT'S
01:11 - 59.679 GREAT BE JAX FIRE HAD ASKED FOR
01:11 - 03.369 ONLY ONE HAHA YOU CONFUSE ME
01:12 - 03.910 A BIT.
01:12 - 05.579 YOU INDICATED THAT YOU
01:12 - 07.969 BELIEVE THAT CASE WILL SHARES
01:12 - 09.709 WITH US. THE WAY WE SHOULD
01:12 - 11.639 INTERPRET PRUDENT. RICHARDSON
01:12 - 13.189 VERSUS MARCH UNITED STATES
01:12 - 14.779 SUPREME COURT INDICATED THAT
01:12 - 15.780 YOU CAN.
01:12 - 18.890 INTRODUCED A STATEMENT
01:12 - 20.750 WITH THE HOPE THAT THE
01:12 - 22.079 CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT WOULD
01:12 - 23.739 IMPLICATE THE DEFENDANT THROUGH
01:12 - 25.480 OTHER EVIDENCE AT TRIAL.
01:12 - 27.540 THAT'S WHAT RICHARDS IN THE
01:12 - 29.499 STANDS RIGHT. YET YOU ARE
01:12 - 31.009 CHALLENGING THE COMMONWEALTH
01:12 - 34.039 STRATEGIC DECISION TO INTRODUCE
01:12 - 35.969 THAT OTHER EVIDENCE WHICH WILL
01:12 - 39.069 IMPLICATE YOUR CLIENT. HOW
01:12 - 40.130 IS THAT
01:12 - 43.089 INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT BRUTON
01:12 - 44.929 AND RICHARDSON ARE STANDING
01:12 - 45.220 FOR.
01:12 - 47.289 WELL, I THINK 1 ONE
01:12 - 50.050 SIGNIFICANT DISTINCTION IS THAT
01:12 - 52.389 IN RICHARD SEN. YOU CAN TEXT
01:12 - 52.810 WILL LINK
01:12 - 55.229 WITH LINKAGE CAME AFTER THE
01:12 - 56.849 CONFESSION WAS INTRODUCED
01:12 - 59.319 INTO EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE THE
01:12 - 00.630 CONTEXTUAL LINKAGE
01:13 - 03.069 WAS BEFORE THE STATEMENT WAS
01:13 - 04.480 INTRODUCED INTO EVIDENCE
01:13 - 06.459 THEY'RE SO WHEN THE JURY HEARD
01:13 - 07.719 THE STATEMENT THERE WAS
01:13 - 10.539 NO DOUBT WHO WAS BEING REFERRED
01:13 - 11.899 TO IN THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE
01:13 - 12.990 THEY ARE READY HER.
01:13 - 15.399 WHO THE FRIEND WAS AT JACK'S
01:13 - 17.240 FIREHOUSE VERSION RICHARDSON.
01:13 - 19.390 THE STATEMENT WAS HEARD FIRST
01:13 - 22.419 AND THEN THE FEMALE CO
01:13 - 23.420 DEFENDANT.
01:13 - 26.930 MADE THE CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION
01:13 - 28.920 WHEN SHE TESTIFIED IN COURT.
01:13 - 32.110 SO ALL OF THE 3 FEDERAL CASES.
01:13 - 34.809 RUTAN. RICHARDSON
01:13 - 36.649 IN GRAY, SAY THAT WHEN
01:13 - 37.879 THAT STATEMENT IS PRESENTED
01:13 - 39.529 BEFORE A JURY IF THERE IS NO
01:13 - 41.419 DOUBT AND IF IT'S CLEAR WHO
01:13 - 42.569 THAT PERSON IS IN THAT
01:13 - 44.399 STATEMENT THAT'S A CLEAR CUT
01:13 - 46.189 THROUGH BY ANY EVENT REIVERS US
01:13 - 47.779 AS THAT THAT I THINK THAT'S THE
01:13 - 49.490 DISTINCTION WE HAVE THE.
01:13 - 52.150 THE CONTEXTUAL.
01:13 - 55.170 THE PURPOSEFUL PLACEMENT.
01:13 - 58.200 OF MISTER HOUSTON BEFORE THE
01:13 - 00.249 CONFESSION WAS READ INTO
01:14 - 01.369 EVIDENCE BEFORE THE JURY THEY
01:14 - 02.519 KNEW EXACTLY WHO HE WAS AND
01:14 - 03.480 THAT CONFESSION WAS ROUTE
01:14 - 04.480 YOU'RE OUT.
01:14 - 07.819 OKAY IF THE THE EMPLOYER
01:14 - 09.389 TESTIFIED AFTER THE STATEMENT
01:14 - 10.340 WAS READ IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
01:14 - 12.329 TELLING US. THAT LET
01:14 - 14.769 THAT LINE CLEARS THE THE ISSUE
01:14 - 15.770 BURTON ISSUE.
01:14 - 19.579 I MEAN I WOULD THINK THAT
01:14 - 21.330 THAT'S CLOSER TO RICHARD SEN.
01:14 - 25.509 THAN RICHARD IS SAYING CAN
01:14 - 26.860 TEXT TO A LINKAGE SO
01:14 - 28.599 MAYBE WOULD BE COMPLIANT
01:14 - 30.649 UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES OF
01:14 - 33.179 ABSENT THE MY ABSENCE, THE
01:14 - 35.330 EMPLOYER AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE.
01:14 - 36.839 SO ARE YOU SHARED WITH US TO
01:14 - 37.780 THINK IT'S OUR DUTY
01:14 - 39.719 AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DICTATE
01:14 - 41.439 HOW THE STRATEGIC MANEUVER OF
01:14 - 42.520 THE COMMONWEALTH SHOULD BE.
01:14 - 45.619 I'VE BEEN UP ITS INTRODUCTION
01:14 - 47.349 OF EVIDENCE NOT NOT NOT NOT AT
01:14 - 49.719 ALL I'M SAYING TO THE EXTENT
01:14 - 50.720 THAT THE
01:14 - 52.590 ACTIONS IN
01:14 - 54.829 THIS TRIAL. IT CONSISTENT WITH
01:14 - 56.589 THE JUDGE'S RULINGS VIOLATED
01:14 - 58.919 THE CONSTITUTION. THEN IT'S
01:14 - 00.120 BEEN IT'S YOUR WOULD BE
01:15 - 02.029 OBLIGATION TO
01:15 - 04.870 RECTIFY THAT AND TO MAKE SURE
01:15 - 07.099 I SET MY CLIENT AND SUFFER
01:15 - 08.439 CONSTITUTIONAL SOME SHAPE.
01:15 - 09.719 I THINK YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO
01:15 - 10.949 SOME TROUBLE THERE ISN'T IT
01:15 - 13.169 YOUR POSITION. AND I
01:15 - 14.369 THINK THE U.S. SUPREME COURT'S
01:15 - 15.899 POSITION THAT IF AND THE
01:15 - 17.329 READING OF THE TOTALITY OF THE
01:15 - 19.659 RECORD. IT'S OBVIOUS TO
01:15 - 20.870 EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM
01:15 - 22.689 WHO THE OTHER GUY IS THAT
01:15 - 24.010 THAT'S A BRUTAL VIOLATION.
01:15 - 28.699 AND I THINK I THINK
01:15 - 30.489 MAYBE FOR YOU WE'RE GOING IN
01:15 - 31.989 RESPONSE TO JUSTICE MONDAY'S
01:15 - 33.330 QUESTION IF I IF I'M.
01:15 - 36.739 NOT MISS READING WHAT YOU'RE
01:15 - 37.740 SAYING IS
01:15 - 39.899 IF THE REFERENCE TO THE
01:15 - 42.429 FRIENDS AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE BY
01:15 - 43.989 THE BOSS HAD BEEN LATER IN THE
01:15 - 44.580 TRIAL.
01:15 - 46.360 IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LESS
01:15 - 49.499 IMPACTFUL THAT WAS IN THIS CASE
01:15 - 51.030 WHERE IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE.
01:15 - 54.339 MY FRIEND REFERENCE FROM THE
01:15 - 55.340 CONFESSION.
01:15 - 57.489 BUT IT COULD HAVE STILL BEEN
01:15 - 58.799 IMPACTFUL BUT THIS WAS
01:15 - 00.889 PARTICULARLY IMPACTFUL BECAUSE
01:16 - 01.989 IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE
01:16 - 04.239 CONFESSION WAS READ WRITE AND I
01:16 - 05.980 WAS RELYING ON THE 3RD CIRCUIT
01:16 - 08.110 UNITED STATES
01:16 - 10.269 TO RICHARDS WHERE THERE'S A
01:16 - 12.799 ROBBERY WHERE YOU HAD THE
01:16 - 15.090 RIGHT. THE STATEMENT.
01:16 - 17.569 THAT INDICATED THAT THERE WAS A
01:16 - 18.899 FRIEND WHO COMMITTED THE
01:16 - 20.349 ROBBERY AND THEN RIGHT AFTER
01:16 - 21.350 THAT YOU HAD.
01:16 - 24.450 A DETECTIVE. PRESENT
01:16 - 27.319 THE STATEMENT AND 3RD CIRCUIT
01:16 - 29.929 SAID THAT IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO
01:16 - 31.940 THIS CASE THAT YOU KNOW
01:16 - 33.559 THE AND I THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY
01:16 - 35.149 LANGUAGE PURPOSEFUL PLACEMENT
01:16 - 35.570 THERE WAS PER
01:16 - 37.119 FOOT PLACEMENT OF THESE
01:16 - 38.679 WITNESSES AND THAT PURPOSE
01:16 - 39.939 REPLACEMENT CREATED EITHER
01:16 - 42.739 THE FACIAL. NO IMPLICATION OR
01:16 - 44.759 THE BLATANT LINKAGE OK THANK
01:16 - 45.889 YOU I THINK WE UNDERSTAND YOUR
01:16 - 46.999 POSITION I DID HAVE A MISSION
01:16 - 48.809 CHIEF HAS JUST SPENT A LOT OF
01:16 - 50.340 TIME ON THE JACKS FIREHOUSE
01:16 - 54.140 ANY BRUTON
01:16 - 56.789 CONCERNS WITH MY FRIEND IN THE
01:16 - 58.379 FRONT MY FRIEND IN THE BACK HE
01:16 - 59.020 SHE.
01:16 - 00.419 THE PRONOUNS THAT WERE USED
01:17 - 02.239 THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE
01:17 - 04.039 ARE. OR ARE WE JUST REALLY JUST
01:17 - 04.990 BE FOCUSING ON THE JACKS
01:17 - 05.990 FIREHOUSE.
01:17 - 08.819 WELL I WOULD THINK IN THIS
01:17 - 10.199 CASE BECAUSE THAT WE HAD 2
01:17 - 11.579 CO-DEFENDANTS, ONE WAS MALE ONE
01:17 - 13.389 WAS FEMALE THAT KIND OF A THING
01:17 - 15.109 RIGHT NOW AND I THE FACTS MAKE
01:17 - 16.319 CLEAR THAT THE FEAT WAS A
01:17 - 17.949 FEMALE GOT INTO THE REAR WITH
01:17 - 18.950 THE CONFESSOR.
01:17 - 21.569 THAT A MALE GOT INTO THE
01:17 - 24.140 FRONT. FOR MY NARROW
01:17 - 27.209 I MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY ANY
01:17 - 30.139 DIFFICULTY WITH YOU KNOW, AND
01:17 - 30.330 THAT'S
01:17 - 32.149 THE NATION. I THINK THAT'S
01:17 - 33.849 WHAT'S TROUBLESOME IS WHEN WE
01:17 - 36.119 HAVE THE JACKS FIREHOUSE MY
01:17 - 37.239 FRIEND WHO WORK IN JACK'S
01:17 - 38.940 FIREHOUSE THAT WAS TANTAMOUNT
01:17 - 41.100 TO SAYING MICHAEL JONES.
01:17 - 43.280 WITHIN
01:17 - 46.069 THE NARROW CONTEXT OF MY CLIENT
01:17 - 47.070 WITHOUT ANY
01:17 - 51.680 OVERRIDING LEGAL.
01:17 - 55.929 WITHIN THE NARROW SCOPE OF MY
01:17 - 57.699 CASE MY FRIEND AT JACK'S
01:17 - 59.599 FIREHOUSE IT FROM MISTER
01:17 - 01.259 HOUSTON AND THEN IMMEDIATELY
01:18 - 02.260 FOLLOWING.
01:18 - 05.099 THAT'S BRUTAL AND I JUST JUST
01:18 - 06.780 ONE JUST ONE FINAL POINT.
01:18 - 07.950 THERE WAS ALSO
01:18 - 13.259 WASHINGTON THE. THE DEPARTMENT
01:18 - 14.999 OF CORRECTIONS IT WAS ALMOST
01:18 - 16.229 THE SAME THING WE
01:18 - 18.129 HAD TAYLOR. TAYLOR WAS AN
01:18 - 20.269 EYEWITNESS TO HE WAS A PARTISAN
01:18 - 22.379 PARTICIPANT AND EYEWITNESS IN A
01:18 - 24.719 ROBBERY. WE HAD TO CONFESS OR
01:18 - 27.119 WHITE. WHY THE STATEMENT WAS
01:18 - 30.019 REDACTED TO SAY THE DRIVER AND
01:18 - 31.020 THE OTHER GUY.
01:18 - 34.259 TAYLOR TESTIFIED RIGHT BEFORE
01:18 - 36.169 WHY THESE CONFESSION WAS READ I
01:18 - 37.580 THINK IT WAS LIKE A 3 DAY.
01:18 - 41.159 A SEPARATION AND IT'S IT SOUNDS
01:18 - 41.790 LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A
01:18 - 43.719 WEEKEND. BUT THAT THE OPINION
01:18 - 44.889 MAKES CLEAR THAT THERE WAS ONLY
01:18 - 45.800 LIKE IT A
01:18 - 47.809 FEW HOURS FROM ONE PERSON
01:18 - 49.229 TESTIFYING TO ANOTHER EVEN
01:18 - 50.469 THOSE OVER THE COURSE OF A
01:18 - 53.299 FEW DAYS. THAT'S THIS CASE AND
01:18 - 54.789 THAT'S FROM THE 3RD CIRCUIT WE
01:18 - 56.459 HAVE TAYLOR WHO WAS THE
01:18 - 58.879 EYEWITNESS AND AND ALSO THE THE
01:18 - 00.139 THE 3RD CIRCUIT FOUND IT
01:19 - 01.859 WASN'T HARMLESS. SO IT'S THE
01:19 - 03.229 SAME WAY THAT TAYLOR IS AN
01:19 - 05.329 EYEWITNESS AND TAYLOR WAS HIGH
01:19 - 07.019 ON DRUGS TOO. SO THE SAME WE
01:19 - 08.540 HAVE TAYLOR IS AN EYEWITNESS.
01:19 - 10.969 YOU HAVE THE CONFESSOR WADI IN
01:19 - 12.329 THIS CASE. TAYLOR IS MISTER
01:19 - 14.989 DESTIN. THE CONFESSOR IS US
01:19 - 17.869 AID WILSON. AND YOU HAVE THE
01:19 - 19.219 DRUG ISSUE THAT IMPACTED
01:19 - 20.959 PERCEPTION WHICH THE 3RD
01:19 - 22.400 CIRCUIT SAID YOU KNOW WHAT.
01:19 - 25.710 THAT'S NOT A HARMLESS ERROR.
01:19 - 29.749 SO. WASHINGTON VERSUS IN THERE
01:19 - 30.900 TO WASHINGTON'S.
01:19 - 33.670 IT WENT UP TO THE SUPREME COURT
01:19 - 35.959 AND THEN CAME BACK. BUT BOTH OF
01:19 - 37.639 THEM ARE CLEAR THAT THERE WAS A
01:19 - 39.589 PROVEN VIOLATION AND THAT THE
01:19 - 42.679 ERROR WAS NOT HARM US AND THOSE
01:19 - 45.200 CAKE THAT THAT CASE WASHINGTON.
01:19 - 47.349 THIS IS CLOSE TO THE
01:19 - 50.879 INSTANT CASE AS UNITED STATES
01:19 - 51.979 WE RETURN. THANK YOU
01:19 - 53.559 VERY MUCH. THANK YOU TO WITH
01:19 - 56.070 JOY AND I WAS A GOOD FINISH US.
01:19 - 57.709 I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO LOSE
01:19 - 58.949 THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR
01:19 - 59.570 PERSPECTIVE
01:19 - 02.149 ON THIS WAYS IT PROBLEMATIC
01:20 - 03.669 THAT THE DETECTIVE BEFORE
01:20 - 05.489 READING THE CONFESSION STATED
01:20 - 06.210 THAT IT WEIGHS
01:20 - 07.370 8 BILLY DID.
01:20 - 11.039 VERSION OF THE CONFESSION OF
01:20 - 12.040 COURSE I MEAN
01:20 - 14.639 I COULDN'T I THINK HE USED I
01:20 - 15.929 THINK THE WORD WITH REDACTED IN
01:20 - 18.109 THE ACT AS WE GET IT, YES, BUT
01:20 - 20.739 I YOU KNOW THAT ALERTED THE
01:20 - 22.160 JURY THAT THERE HAD BEEN
01:20 - 25.759 CHANGES FOR ME AND ESPECIALLY
01:20 - 26.670 WHEN YOU READ THAT IN THE
01:20 - 28.629 CONTEXT OF THE PURPOSEFUL
01:20 - 30.560 PLACEMENT OF THE WITNESSES.
01:20 - 33.649 IT IT WAS NO DOUBT THAT
01:20 - 34.919 CONFESSION WAS READ THAT
01:20 - 36.389 REDACTED CONFESSION WHICH READ
01:20 - 37.729 THE JURY KNEW THEY WERE HEARING
01:20 - 39.019 REDACTED CONFESSION WHEN THEY
01:20 - 40.329 HEAR FRIEND AND FRIEND AND
01:20 - 41.909 FRIEND AND FRIEND. THERE'S NO
01:20 - 43.889 DOUBT THE PERSON THAT DAY WE'RE
01:20 - 44.560 LOOKING AT THE
01:20 - 47.119 DEFENSE TABLE WAS MICHAEL JONES
01:20 - 48.400 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
01:20 - 57.630 AND YOU'RE ARGUING AMICUS IN.
01:20 - 59.680 ARE YOU FROM THE PHILADELPHIA
01:20 - 01.719 DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. YES,
01:21 - 02.800 YOU'RE ON REDDIT.
01:21 - 05.900 ERIC MORNING YEAR HONORS
01:21 - 07.059 MISTER CHIEF JUSTICE AND MAY IT
01:21 - 08.489 PLEASE THE COURT. AARON
01:21 - 10.139 MARCUS FROM THE DEFENDER
01:21 - 12.079 ASSOCIATION ON BEHALF OF AMICUS
01:21 - 13.449 DEFENDER ASSOCIATION HERE IN
01:21 - 14.789 SUPPORT OF THE PALIN MICHAEL
01:21 - 15.790 JONES.
01:21 - 19.260 PROVIDING A A
01:21 - 21.519 FREEFORM'S NARRATIVE I'D LIKE
01:21 - 22.829 TO JUST RESPOND TO SOME OF YOUR
01:21 - 24.149 HONOR'S QUESTIONS I THINK IS
01:21 - 25.570 THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST HELPFUL.
01:21 - 28.459 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO
01:21 - 30.549 SUGGEST THAT TRAVERS DOES NEED
01:21 - 33.259 TO BE CLARIFIED TO PREVENT THE
01:21 - 34.810 CONTINUING PROBLEM THAT
01:21 - 37.609 SURELY USING A NEUTRAL PRONOUN
01:21 - 39.509 IS APPARENTLY ALWAYS SUFFICIENT
01:21 - 41.260 TO SATISFY BRITAIN VIOLATION
01:21 - 42.989 THAT THAT THAT IS NOT THE LAWN
01:21 - 44.899 CANNOT BE LAW WHICH CAN TEXT TO
01:21 - 45.900 US NEXT.
01:21 - 47.570 IT IS IT IS
01:21 - 49.449 NOT CONTEXTUAL IN THE CONTEXT
01:21 - 50.889 OF THE RICHARDSON BAND OF THE
01:21 - 52.260 CAN TEXT OR IMPLICATION.
01:21 - 54.889 OBVIOUSNESS IS THIS COURT
01:21 - 56.229 ALREADY SUGGESTED DURING THE
01:21 - 57.230 ARGUMENT.
01:21 - 59.199 IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONTEST
01:21 - 01.169 AND SOME DEGREE CERTAINLY CAN
01:22 - 01.880 TEXT OR TO THE
01:22 - 03.879 STATEMENT ITSELF AND THAT'S
01:22 - 05.019 SOMETHING I WANTED TO GET INTO
01:22 - 06.319 THE SECOND POINT WHICH IS THE
01:22 - 07.899 STATEMENT IN THIS CASE WAS
01:22 - 08.380 BEFORE YOU
01:22 - 09.380 MOVE ON.
01:22 - 11.399 ASSUMING THAT YOUR POSITION
01:22 - 13.349 PREVAILS IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT
01:22 - 14.510 IT WAS TRAVER YS
01:22 - 16.899 THAT WHAT CAUSED THE SUPERIOR
01:22 - 17.990 COURT. THE AIR.
01:22 - 20.609 I THINK IT WAS STRANGE OR
01:22 - 22.520 TRAVERS AND ITS PROGENY RON.
01:22 - 24.480 YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN THERE'S
01:22 - 26.009 BEEN SEVERAL STATEMENTS EITHER
01:22 - 27.359 BY THIS COURT IN SIMPLY
01:22 - 29.019 REAFFIRMING TRADERS AND
01:22 - 30.519 SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE SUPERIOR
01:22 - 32.209 COURT IN DISCUSSING THAT NEAR
01:22 - 34.059 USE OF A NEUTRAL PRONOUN WILL
01:22 - 35.190 ALWAYS BE SUFFICIENT.
01:22 - 36.999 CERTAINLY REDACTION OF THE
01:22 - 37.770 DEFENDANT'S NAME
01:22 - 39.869 IS NECESSARY. BUT DOES NOT
01:22 - 41.369 ALWAYS SUFFICIENT TO SIMPLY
01:22 - 42.799 REDACT THAT NAME AND REPLACE IT
01:22 - 44.179 WITH A NEUTRAL PRONOUN IS VERY
01:22 - 45.210 CLEARLY THIS.
01:22 - 47.009 THIS STATEMENT IN THIS CASE THE
01:22 - 48.689 4 PAGES OF TRANSCRIPT THAT THE
01:22 - 49.950 STATEMENT OCCUPIES.
01:22 - 51.959 YOU KNOW IN ADDITION TO SOME OF
01:22 - 53.209 THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY
01:22 - 56.069 MENTIONED THIS STATEMENT WITHIN
01:22 - 58.469 IT LITERALLY HAVE AS A POINT
01:22 - 00.319 A FINGER DISCUSSION
01:23 - 02.539 WHERE CLARENCE WILSON IS
01:23 - 04.549 TALKING ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE
01:23 - 05.699 PERSON IN THE BACK WITH THE
01:23 - 07.280 PURSE AND
01:23 - 09.469 THE PERSON IN THE GRAY JACKET
01:23 - 11.289 IN A PHOTOGRAPH SHOWN TO HIM BY
01:23 - 13.009 A DETECTIVE THE ACCUSATORY
01:23 - 14.010 LANGRIDGE
01:23 - 17.279 IS BEYOND THE PALE IT IS
01:23 - 19.030 CERTAINLY YEARS WORRYING
01:23 - 21.200 MISTER MARCUS.
01:23 - 23.799 IS THERE ANY ANY UNDER THE
01:23 - 24.380 FACTS OF
01:23 - 26.589 THIS CASE. ANYWAY THAT IS
01:23 - 28.459 STATEMENT WOULD NOT VIOLATE
01:23 - 29.890 THROUGH SALUTE LEE.
01:23 - 31.959 YES, SO THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD
01:23 - 33.369 HAPPEN SO THAT COULD BE A JOINT
01:23 - 34.610 ROUTE CERTAINLY.
01:23 - 37.579 I UNDERTOOK
01:23 - 39.399 THIS THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I
01:23 - 40.649 BELIEVE THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT
01:23 - 42.689 QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE
01:23 - 43.999 STATEMENT COULD BE REDACTED IN
01:23 - 45.439 THE WAY THAT SATISFIES THE 6TH
01:23 - 47.239 AMENDMENT AND MISTER JONES
01:23 - 48.859 CONFRONTATION RIGHT LET ME GIVE
01:23 - 49.909 YOU ACTUALLY AN EXAMPLE TO
01:23 - 52.749 START OUT. FIRST AS TO HOW HOW
01:23 - 54.009 THIS COULD BE DONE IN THE WAY
01:23 - 55.010 THAT I THINK.
01:23 - 57.189 GRAVE IN TALKS RICHARDSON
01:23 - 59.610 EXEMPLIFIES HAS A VALUE.
01:23 - 01.949 SO FIRST WHAT WE HAVE IS THE
01:24 - 03.249 VERY BEGINNING OF THE STATEMENT
01:24 - 04.619 STARTS OUT THAT WAS READ TO THE
01:24 - 05.200 JURY IN THE
01:24 - 07.669 REDACTED FORM MYSELF MY FRIEND
01:24 - 08.989 HAD CLOCKED OUT OF WORK IN
01:24 - 10.979 ABOUT 10 TO 11:00PM ON FEBRUARY
01:24 - 12.229 5TH, WE WORK AT JACK'S
01:24 - 14.579 FIREHOUSE VERY SIMPLY JUST A
01:24 - 16.609 START CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE
01:24 - 17.590 STATEMENTS REDACTED AND
01:24 - 19.089 RICHARDSON AND AND EXISTS
01:24 - 20.309 THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY ON A
01:24 - 21.919 DAILY BASIS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN
01:24 - 24.209 VERY EASILY CHANGED TO SAY I
01:24 - 25.600 PLUCKED OUT OF WORK AT 10 TO
01:24 - 27.560 11:00PM ON FEBRUARY 5TH.
01:24 - 30.039 I WORK AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE JUST
01:24 - 31.859 THOSE 2 LINES. IT'S IMPORTANT
01:24 - 33.160 TO RECOGNIZE ONE.
01:24 - 34.469 IT IS CLEARLY STILL
01:24 - 36.819 INCRIMINATING TO THE CLARENCE
01:24 - 38.309 WILSON WHO THE INFORMATION TO
01:24 - 40.470 BE PRESENTED AGAINST AND 2
01:24 - 42.419 MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT DOESN'T
01:24 - 43.569 HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS CAN
01:24 - 45.370 TEXT TO A LINKAGE BECAUSE
01:24 - 47.509 HERE THE COMMONWEALTH COULD
01:24 - 48.579 STILL INTRODUCE MISTER
01:24 - 51.399 HOUSTON'S TESTIMONY THAT THE
01:24 - 52.549 THAT MISTER JONES WORKS OF
01:24 - 54.629 JACK'S FIREHOUSE BUT IT'S NOT
01:24 - 55.779 APPARENT FROM THE FACE OF THE
01:24 - 57.889 STATEMENT AT ALL THAT MISTER
01:24 - 58.860 WILSON IS
01:24 - 00.669 ACCUSING ANYONE, HE'S NOT
01:25 - 02.339 POINTING THE FINGER CASTLE WHAT
01:25 - 03.589 WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL SHARE
01:25 - 05.479 WITH ME WHERE IS THERE ANY
01:25 - 07.250 OTHER AREA OF THE LAW.
01:25 - 09.959 THAT JUDICIAL MANIPULATION
01:25 - 11.489 IS PERMITTED FOR THE
01:25 - 12.589 INTRODUCTION
01:25 - 14.719 OF EVIDENCE WHEN IT'S
01:25 - 16.649 INFLUENCING THE ULTIMATE
01:25 - 18.549 OUTCOME OF THE CASE CERTAINLY
01:25 - 19.210 AND I THINK I
01:25 - 21.149 THINK ONE IT'S A MISNOMER TO
01:25 - 22.940 SAY THIS JUDICIAL MANIPULATION.
01:25 - 24.839 THE GOVERNMENT THE COMMONWEALTH
01:25 - 26.189 HERE IS THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO
01:25 - 27.620 SEE TO REDACT THE STATEMENT
01:25 - 29.009 AND THEN THE DEFENSE HAS THE
01:25 - 30.409 RIGHT TO OBJECT TO WHETHER THAT
01:25 - 31.759 STATEMENT IS GOING IN THE
01:25 - 32.999 REDACTED FORM IS GOING TO
01:25 - 34.249 VIOLATE THE CONFRONTATION
01:25 - 35.849 CLAUSE. THE COURT IS GOING TO
01:25 - 37.729 EVALUATE IT. AND BUT I
01:25 - 39.049 CERTAINLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT
01:25 - 40.659 HAS THAT HAS THE BURDEN
01:25 - 42.159 TO SAY WE WANT TO USE THE
01:25 - 43.539 STATEMENT AND IS IT GOING TO BE
01:25 - 45.020 A 6TH AMENDMENT VIOLATION.
01:25 - 46.689 SO WE'RE GOING TO REDACTED IN
01:25 - 47.570 THE WAY THAT WE THINK
01:25 - 49.769 IS APPROPRIATE. TO ALLOW THIS
01:25 - 50.959 TO AVOID A 6TH AMENDMENT
01:25 - 51.430 BURDEN.
01:25 - 53.989 NOW THAT MISTER WILSON IN THIS
01:25 - 55.849 CASE COULD HAVE OBJECTED AND IN
01:25 - 58.009 SOME INSTANCES SEVERANCE MAY BE
01:25 - 59.289 APPROPRIATE BUT IN MOST
01:25 - 00.919 INSTANCES IT WON'T WHICH WE
01:26 - 03.759 KNOW BECAUSE THE OBVIOUSNESS
01:26 - 05.109 TESTS WHICH THIS COURT IS HE'S
01:26 - 06.460 ALREADY TALKED ABOUT
01:26 - 08.389 HERE AND I WON'T I WON'T HAMMER
01:26 - 09.529 UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON
01:26 - 11.569 IT HAS BEEN USED THROUGHOUT
01:26 - 13.519 THIS COUNTRY IN MANY STATES AND
01:26 - 14.799 MANY FEDERAL CIRCUITS FOR
01:26 - 16.709 DECADES WITHOUT CAUSING
01:26 - 19.039 SIGNIFICANT BURDENS ON EITHER
01:26 - 21.039 THE GOVERNMENT OR THE COURT IN
01:26 - 22.299 ASSURING THAT THERE ARE 6TH
01:26 - 23.859 AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS AVAILABLE
01:26 - 25.309 AND IS NOT REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT
01:26 - 26.709 SEVERANCE EITHER LET ME
01:26 - 28.239 CHALLENGE THAT I
01:26 - 30.699 UNDERSTAND IT. THE QUESTION I
01:26 - 32.709 HAVE IS THAT DOES THAT NOT FLY
01:26 - 33.710 IN THE
01:26 - 36.959 THE WHAT RICHARDSON STANDS FOR
01:26 - 38.139 IN THE SENSE THAT THE
01:26 - 39.840 DEFENDANT'S STATEMENT.
01:26 - 42.559 CAN IMPLICATE I SHOULD
01:26 - 44.149 SAY CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT CAN
01:26 - 46.459 IMPLICATE YOUR CLIENT SHOULD
01:26 - 48.349 THERE BE OTHER EVIDENCE
01:26 - 49.420 INTRODUCED.
01:26 - 52.109 THE UNDERLYING PRECEPT BEING
01:26 - 53.499 THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT
01:26 - 54.949 STATEMENT IS SPEAKING ABOUT
01:26 - 57.749 MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL
01:26 - 59.639 INVOLVED IN. AND THE CRIMINAL
01:26 - 02.000 EPISODE. YOU ARE REMEDIES.
01:27 - 05.239 IS TO CONTORT RICHARD SAID
01:27 - 07.709 SUCH THAT IT ONLY APPEARS TO BE
01:27 - 07.870 A
01:27 - 11.039 SINGULAR CONFESSION PERFORMED
01:27 - 13.399 ONLY BY THE INDIVIDUAL GIVING
01:27 - 14.850 THE STATEMENT TO THE DETECTIVE
01:27 - 16.169 WHICH TO ME
01:27 - 18.709 IS THAT BUT SUCH A MINUTE
01:27 - 19.899 MINUTE DELAY SHOULD IF NOT A
01:27 - 21.849 PERVERSION OF THE EVIDENCE HOW
01:27 - 23.240 CAN WE JUSTIFY THAT.
01:27 - 25.609 SO I'M NOT ASKING THIS COURT
01:27 - 26.659 THAT IN EVERY INSTANCE, THERE
01:27 - 28.269 ARE OTHERS EXIT OTHER EXAMPLES
01:27 - 30.499 WHERE WE OR SOMEONE CAN BE
01:27 - 32.509 USED. IN A VARIETY OF CONTEXTS
01:27 - 33.400 MAY NOT ALWAYS
01:27 - 35.699 BE APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE OR
01:27 - 37.949 EXCISE THE EXISTENCE OF ANOTHER
01:27 - 39.670 PERSON AS RICHARDSON SUGGESTED
01:27 - 41.130 A JUSTICE DAUGHERTY
01:27 - 43.339 IN SOME INSTANCES IT MAY
01:27 - 44.609 DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE
01:27 - 46.229 CASE AND WHAT THE STATEMENT IS
01:27 - 48.339 AND WHAT IT SAYS DEPENDS ON IT
01:27 - 49.969 IT'S GOING TO BE CIRCUMSTANCES
01:27 - 52.639 SPECIFIC. IN MANY INSTANCES
01:27 - 54.649 FOR INSTANCE. LET ME LET ME
01:27 - 55.779 GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS
01:27 - 57.709 STATEMENT, GREAT WHERE I CAN
01:27 - 59.070 TRY TO FIND IT BUT.
01:28 - 04.559 IT WAS THE BROAD STREET LINE,
01:28 - 05.890 I'M NOT SURE WHAT STATION
01:28 - 07.299 THIS COULD BE REDACTED TO SAY
01:28 - 08.959 WHEN ME AND MY FRIEND GOT OFF
01:28 - 10.699 TO INSTEAD SAY WHEN I GOT OFF
01:28 - 13.749 THE SUBWAY. WHEN I GOT OFF THE
01:28 - 15.400 SUBWAY AT TASKER MORE STATION.
01:28 - 17.209 A GROUP OF US BEGAN TO WALK
01:28 - 18.949 TOGETHER SOMEONE FLAGGED DOWN A
01:28 - 20.680 CAB AS WE GOT TO THE SUBWAY
01:28 - 22.569 WHERE YOU CAN USE WORDS THAT
01:28 - 23.550 CREATE GROUPS
01:28 - 25.279 THAT CREATE INDIVIDUAL
01:28 - 26.749 PARTICIPATION WITH MORE THAN
01:28 - 28.279 ONE THESE ARE CERTAINLY
01:28 - 29.719 VALUABLE AND APPROPRIATE
01:28 - 31.639 REDACTIONS NOW THIS IS JUST MY
01:28 - 32.979 SUGGESTION, THE GOVERNMENT MAY
01:28 - 33.790 HAVE A DIFFERENT THE
01:28 - 34.430 COMMONWEALTH MAY HAVE A
01:28 - 36.470 DIFFERENT TAKE BUT ALSO
01:28 - 38.509 MISTER WILSON WHO WAS THE
01:28 - 42.080 CONFESSOR WE MAY WELL OBJECT 2.
01:28 - 46.219 YOU ATTEMPTING TO MANIPULATE
01:28 - 47.220 THE STATEMENT.
01:28 - 50.989 TAKE BLAME FROM YOUR CLIENT
01:28 - 51.850 WHICH PLACES IT
01:28 - 53.589 ON HIM WHEN HE GAVE HIS
01:28 - 55.049 STATEMENT HE SAID YOUR CLIENT
01:28 - 57.269 FIRED ALL 3 SHOTS. THE TO THE
01:28 - 58.489 GRAYS THE HEAD OF MONEY AT THE
01:28 - 00.389 SHOULDER. I THINK IS THE CO OF
01:29 - 02.609 PUT THEIR CASE IN THE SHOT THAT
01:29 - 02.900 HIT
01:29 - 04.929 THE SHOULDER CAME FROM MISTER
01:29 - 06.319 WILSON, THE BACK SEAT WHICH HE
01:29 - 07.870 DIDN'T WANT TO CONCEDE WENY
01:29 - 10.060 MADE HIS CONFESSION SO AGAIN
01:29 - 12.269 I THINK JUST THE STARTING POINT
01:29 - 12.430 IS
01:29 - 15.199 WELL TAKEN. WE DON'T DO OUR
01:29 - 17.219 TRIAL COURTS AND THE SERVICE IF
01:29 - 18.749 WE GIVE THEM DIRECTION TO
01:29 - 20.780 SUBSTANTIALLY OLDER STATEMENTS.
01:29 - 24.190 THE KID, THE SANITIZER BRUTON.
01:29 - 26.909 PERHAPS DISTORTING THE MEANING
01:29 - 28.309 VIS-A-VIS THE 2 DEFENDANTS
01:29 - 29.250 STRONGER ARGUMENT
01:29 - 30.250 FOR SEVERANCE.
01:29 - 32.269 AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT
01:29 - 33.769 YOU TRY I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT
01:29 - 35.049 YOU SHOULD INSTRUCT THE TRIAL
01:29 - 37.540 COURTS TO SANITIZE STATEMENT.
01:29 - 38.120 THE ISSUE
01:29 - 39.609 IS THAT AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING
01:29 - 41.509 IS THAT THEY MAY BE REDACTED IN
01:29 - 42.330 THE WAY THAT I THINK IS
01:29 - 44.180 CONSTITUTIONALLY PERMISSIBLE
01:29 - 45.479 THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING AND
01:29 - 47.110 I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE
01:29 - 48.799 BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE
01:29 - 50.789 VARIOUS THAT THE PERSON WHO 6TH
01:29 - 52.020 AMENDMENT RIGHT IS IMPLICATED.
01:29 - 53.679 THE DEFENDANT WHO STATEMENTS
01:29 - 54.500 BEING INTRODUCED IN THE
01:29 - 55.490 COMMONWEALTH AND THEY'RE GOING
01:29 - 56.909 TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME
01:29 - 58.379 STATEMENT THAT IS AT LEAST
01:29 - 00.199 REASONABLY SATISFACTORY TO THE
01:30 - 01.759 COURT IN THIS PARK IS WHERE YOU
01:30 - 03.169 STAND YOU YOU'RE POINTING TO
01:30 - 04.999 THAT OR WE SEVER SPOT OF THE
01:30 - 06.299 COUNCIL IS IN PART OF THE
01:30 - 08.449 PROBLEM HEARING YOU YOU CAN USE
01:30 - 10.130 THE WORD 3 TIMES STATEMENT.
01:30 - 12.399 THE CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT, I'M
01:30 - 13.519 A CONFESSION YOU'RE LEARNING
01:30 - 14.679 BUT BUT BUT ISN'T THAT THE
01:30 - 16.340 POINT REALLY BECAUSE
01:30 - 18.969 THIS WAS A STATEMENT BY WEALTH
01:30 - 20.759 AND THAT WAS INTENDED TO IN
01:30 - 22.260 CALLED PATE SOMEONE ELSE.
01:30 - 24.469 THAT'S CORRECT THIS WAS NOT
01:30 - 27.839 REALLY AS MUCH A CONFESSION BY
01:30 - 28.420 HIM
01:30 - 30.849 ANYTHING THAT IT WEIGHS A
01:30 - 33.030 STATEMENT TO IN CO PAY.
01:30 - 37.239 JONES AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO
01:30 - 39.089 CLEARLY BUTTS UP AGAINST 6
01:30 - 40.439 AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I THINK
01:30 - 41.849 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT
01:30 - 42.960 THERE MAY BE SOME
01:30 - 45.849 CONFESSIONS THAT ARE REALLY
01:30 - 47.939 STATEMENTS THAT MAYBE CAN'T
01:30 - 50.449 BE USED. YEAH, CERTAINLY THE
01:30 - 52.539 DEGREE OF THE ACCUSATION OF
01:30 - 54.189 ANOTHER CO-DEFENDANT IS GOING
01:30 - 56.149 TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND CERTAINLY
01:30 - 56.870 SIGNIFICANT FOR THE
01:30 - 58.380 6TH AMENDMENT PURPOSES.
01:30 - 00.419 WHERE WERE STATEMENT OF AN
01:31 - 01.909 INDIVIDUAL OR CONFESSION OF ONE
01:31 - 03.419 CO-DEFENDANT. HE'S TRYING TO
01:31 - 05.439 EXTRICATE THEMSELVES AND POINTS
01:31 - 07.110 THE FINGER THROUGH ACCUSATION.
01:31 - 09.539 AT ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, IF THAT
01:31 - 10.779 OTHER INDIVIDUAL BECOMES
01:31 - 13.069 OBVIOUSLY THE CO DEFENDING THAT
01:31 - 14.819 IS GOING TO BE A VERY CLEAR
01:31 - 16.599 BRUTON VIOLATION THAT VIOLATES
01:31 - 19.229 RICHARDSON GRAY AND AND PER
01:31 - 20.659 MISSION OR NOT AN OBVIOUS
01:31 - 22.869 SEVERANCE ISSUE IN MANY
01:31 - 24.259 INSTANCES IT WILL IT REALLY
01:31 - 25.829 DEPENDS AGAIN CIRCUMSTANCE.
01:31 - 27.619 PACIFIC AND IF THE COMMONWEALTH
01:31 - 29.369 IN THIS CASE WANTS TO USE
01:31 - 31.819 THIS ACCUSATION. TEXACO PAINT
01:31 - 33.939 WELL WHICH EXPO PETE WILSON AND
01:31 - 36.510 THEN IMPLICATES. MISTER JONES
01:31 - 37.899 I DO THINK IN ORDER TO
01:31 - 39.739 AVOID SEVERANCE THE SEPT THE
01:31 - 40.949 REDACTION WILL HAVE TO BE
01:31 - 42.689 SIGNIFICANT AND I DO THINK
01:31 - 43.340 THAT'S THE
01:31 - 45.359 IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE IT
01:31 - 47.619 DEPENDS ALWAYS ON THE NATURE
01:31 - 48.450 AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF
01:31 - 50.229 THE CASE. THE STATEMENT AS A
01:31 - 52.579 WHOLE WHAT IS BEING ACCUSED BY
01:31 - 54.529 THE BY THE CONFESSOR ARE THEY
01:31 - 55.859 POINTING THE FINGER AT SOMEBODY
01:31 - 57.679 ELSE THAT'S THAT GOES BACK TO
01:31 - 59.479 THE VERY BASIC CONCEPT OF
01:31 - 01.519 BREWTON WHY DO WE HAVE HAVE
01:32 - 03.679 THE RULE WE HAVE THE RULE
01:32 - 05.899 BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE
01:32 - 08.020 DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN ASK A JURY
01:32 - 10.159 WHEN CAN FOR THE PERSON
01:32 - 11.719 STATEMENT A PERSON'S CONFESSION
01:32 - 13.479 IS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD AND
01:32 - 15.989 IT POINTS THE FINGER AT
01:32 - 17.959 ANOTHER PERSON TO ASK THE JURY
01:32 - 19.970 TO ONE CREDIT. THE STATEMENT
01:32 - 22.229 AGAINST THE CONFESSOR BUT THEN
01:32 - 23.760 FUNDAMENTALLY IGNORE
01:32 - 25.169 THE RELIABILITY OF CREDIBILITY
01:32 - 26.709 THAT STATEMENT WHEN IT ACCUSES
01:32 - 29.079 SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THAT IMPROVE
01:32 - 30.140 AND SAID WE CAN'T
01:32 - 32.499 TRUST THE LEGAL FICTION THAT
01:32 - 34.150 JURIES ARE ABLE TO DO BOTH
01:32 - 35.499 ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT STATEMENT
01:32 - 37.309 IS HOW ARE FULLY INCRIMINATING
01:32 - 38.489 AS THE WORDS OF BREWTON AND
01:32 - 39.799 REPEATED AND RICHARD STINGRAY
01:32 - 40.800 HAVE STOOD.
01:32 - 43.099 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
01:32 - 44.100 YEAR HONORS.
01:32 - 57.629 MAY PLEASE THE COURT MY NAME
01:32 - 59.079 SHAWN BALDWIN REPRESENTING THE
01:32 - 59.690 COMMONWEALTH IS
01:32 - 00.690 A FELONY.
01:33 - 02.649 I'M EXCITED TO ARGUE BEFORE
01:33 - 04.149 THIS COURT FOR THE FIRST TIME
01:33 - 05.729 AND TYPICALLY IN THE SPECIAL
01:33 - 07.869 LOCATION. AT THE
01:33 - 08.880 RISK OF.
01:33 - 10.710 NOT SAYING THE SAME THING.
01:33 - 13.179 THE LAST 2 FOLKS THAT I WILL
01:33 - 14.929 SAY THAT I'M BREAKING MY
01:33 - 16.470 ARGUMENT DOWN IN THE 2 POINTS.
01:33 - 18.259 FIRST THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT
01:33 - 20.029 TRAVERS TO THE EXTENT IT
01:33 - 21.590 CREATES A BRIGHT LINE RULE.
01:33 - 23.649 IT SHOULD BE OVERRULED AND
01:33 - 25.319 SECOND. I WOULD ARGUE THAT
01:33 - 26.809 THERE WAS IN FACT HARMLESS
01:33 - 28.319 ERROR IN THIS CASE BEYOND A
01:33 - 29.320 REASONABLE DOUBT.
01:33 - 31.849 YOU ALREADY HEARD AS A SAID
01:33 - 34.019 ESPECIALLY FROM THE DEFENSE BAR
01:33 - 35.819 ABOUT HOW IN THIS
01:33 - 37.569 CASE THE REDACTION WAS AN
01:33 - 39.219 ARTFULLY DONE AND IT WAS
01:33 - 42.669 INSUFFICIENT TO WE DEFENDANT
01:33 - 44.209 6TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND YOU'LL
01:33 - 45.269 HEAR FROM THE COMMONWEALTH WE
01:33 - 47.619 WOULD AGREE. IN THIS CASE, I'M
01:33 - 50.579 NOT SAYING THAT REDACTION IS
01:33 - 53.019 NEVER APPROPRIATE BUT WHAT I
01:33 - 54.639 WOULD URGE THE COURT TO DO IS
01:33 - 57.339 TO YOU KNOW CLARIFY TRAVERS IN
01:33 - 58.730 MAKING A CASE BY CASE
01:33 - 01.869 ANALYSIS ON YOU KNOW ALLOW THE
01:34 - 03.569 TRIAL COURT ON EACH STATEMENT
01:34 - 04.579 TO MAKE A CASE BY CASE
01:34 - 06.209 ANALYSIS. RATHER THAN THE
01:34 - 08.459 CURRENT TREND WHICH IS TO SAY
01:34 - 08.940 HEY WAS
01:34 - 11.589 THEIR REACTION WAS THERE A
01:34 - 13.590 LIMIT A JURY INSTRUCTION IF SO
01:34 - 14.960 IT WAS NEVER VIOLENT.
01:34 - 16.529 I THINK THAT THAT'S WRONG OR
01:34 - 17.739 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLARIFY
01:34 - 19.229 TRAVERS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT
01:34 - 20.610 WANTED TO TELL US WHY THIS IS.
01:34 - 23.319 HARMLESS AIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT
01:34 - 24.589 THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NOT WAS
01:34 - 25.590 PRETTY PERSUASIVE.
01:34 - 28.019 SURE THE THE REASON THIS IS OUR
01:34 - 29.959 LIST THERE IS BECAUSE AND I'LL
01:34 - 31.899 GIVE YOU THIS COURTS DEFINITION
01:34 - 33.279 OF HARMLESS ERROR AND FROM
01:34 - 35.139 LOCAL MERCK MEN WHERE IS THAT
01:34 - 36.140 THE ERROR.
01:34 - 38.089 AN AIR WE DEEM HARMLESS AT THE
01:34 - 39.139 AREA DID NOT PRESIDENT'S
01:34 - 40.519 DEFENDANT OR THE PRESIDENT'S
01:34 - 41.520 WAS THE MINIMUM US
01:34 - 43.739 OR THEIR ROLE IS LIMITED
01:34 - 45.259 EVIDENCE WAS MERELY COMMUTE TO
01:34 - 45.980 THE VOTER AND SAY
01:34 - 47.169 THAT EVIDENCE WHICH WAS
01:34 - 48.599 SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE
01:34 - 49.100 ERRONEOUS
01:34 - 51.099 LIMITED EVIDENCE OR THE
01:34 - 52.629 PROPERLY ADMITTED EVIDENCE AND
01:34 - 54.040 CONTROVERSY EVIDENCE OF GUILT
01:34 - 55.330 WAS SO OVERWHELMING
01:34 - 57.289 AND THE PREJUDICIAL EFFECT WAS
01:34 - 59.220 SO SIGNIFICANT BY COMPARISON
01:34 - 00.809 THAT FEAR COULD NOT CONTRIBUTE
01:35 - 02.159 TO THE VERDICT AND I WOULD SAY
01:35 - 04.839 ALL 3 APPLY HERE. ANY AIR WAS
01:35 - 05.140 THEM IN
01:35 - 07.339 A MISS BECAUSE ANYTHING IN
01:35 - 08.969 COVID STORY FROM THE STATEMENTS
01:35 - 11.349 OR MIGHT OFFEND WAS PROVED WITH
01:35 - 13.389 OTHER EVIDENCE YOU HAVE NOT
01:35 - 15.209 ONLY THE VICTIMS IN COURT
01:35 - 16.449 IDENTIFICATION, YOU KNOW THE
01:35 - 17.020 VICTIMS,
01:35 - 19.110 PHOTOGRAPHIC IDENTIFICATION.
01:35 - 21.829 WE IDENTIFIED THE TIME STAMP
01:35 - 23.769 SET THE PHOTO THAT SHOWS TIME
01:35 - 25.659 AND LOCATION WHICH CORROBORATE
01:35 - 27.349 THE STORY OF WHERE WE THINK
01:35 - 28.350 THESE FOLKS UP
01:35 - 29.749 YOU KNOW THE DEFENDANT'S DNA
01:35 - 30.909 INSIDE THE FRONT PASSENGER
01:35 - 33.669 DOOR HANDLE RIGHT WHERE RIGHT
01:35 - 35.190 WITH THE VICTIM SAID HE WAS.
01:35 - 37.559 AND THEN YOU KNOW THE MEDICAL
01:35 - 39.780 RECORDS THAT ALSO SEEN TOO.
01:35 - 43.669 SAY THE SAME THING AS THE
01:35 - 44.819 VICTIM STATEMENT AND THAT HE
01:35 - 44.960 HAD
01:35 - 47.099 A LACERATION TO HIS FRONT NOSE
01:35 - 49.929 TO HIS EAR THOSE LACERATIONS
01:35 - 52.199 WERE CAUSED BY A BULLET IS
01:35 - 53.779 OPPOSED THAT HITTING HIS HEAD
01:35 - 54.780 ON THE STEERING WHEEL.
01:35 - 56.999 THAT'S NOT IN MEDICAL RECORDS
01:35 - 58.390 ARE EVER I THINK
01:35 - 59.889 IT'S A REASONABLE
01:35 - 01.139 CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WILL
01:36 - 02.929 DEPART WHEN COMBINED WITH THE
01:36 - 04.479 DIRECT EVIDENCE OF THE VICTIM'S
01:36 - 05.960 TESTIMONY THAT I THINK
01:36 - 08.439 RELATIVELY PERSUASIVE ACCOUNT
01:36 - 09.469 IN LIGHT OF ALL THE EVENTS
01:36 - 10.070 COUNSELED THAT
01:36 - 12.219 THIS COURT. GRANT ALA CONDOR ON
01:36 - 13.529 THE HARMLESS OR QUESTION ARE
01:36 - 14.530 JUST ON THE BRITISH.
01:36 - 17.510 ALI
01:36 - 19.609 CARTER ON THE BROOM ISSUE,
01:36 - 21.989 HOWEVER I DO THINK WHAT IS PART
01:36 - 23.109 OF THE OTHER I THINK THE BURDEN
01:36 - 25.119 ISSUE THE BRUCE S IT'S KIND OF
01:36 - 27.139 A TWO-PART TEST FIRST HAS BEEN
01:36 - 28.460 A VIOLATION OCCUR.
01:36 - 30.349 SECOND IS IF IT OCCURRED WAS
01:36 - 31.530 THE RARE HARMLESS.
01:36 - 34.659 SO I WOULD SAY THAT YOU CAN'T
01:36 - 36.119 REALLY HAVE ONE WITH THE OTHER
01:36 - 36.330 THAT
01:36 - 38.199 THE REASON TO YOUR EARLIER
01:36 - 40.189 QUESTION WHY THE SPIRIT COURT
01:36 - 42.009 MAY NOT WE HAVE SPOKEN
01:36 - 43.450 SPECIFICALLY TO HARM US THERE.
01:36 - 44.110 IT'S BECAUSE
01:36 - 45.389 THEY'RE ALREADY FOUND PART ONE
01:36 - 46.709 OF THE TEST TO BE A NO NO
01:36 - 47.310 VIOLATION.
01:36 - 50.469 WE ASK AND AGAIN WE GET LOTS
01:36 - 52.279 OF CASES READY DOES THE RECORD
01:36 - 53.290 REFLECT HERE.
01:36 - 55.279 THE NUMBER OF BULLETS THAT WERE
01:36 - 56.849 FOUND WITHIN THE CAR OR
01:36 - 58.199 ADJACENT TO WHERE THE INCIDENT
01:36 - 59.699 OCCURRED AND IT DOESN'T AND THE
01:36 - 00.700 RECORD
01:37 - 03.189 THE RECORD DIDN'T FIND THERE
01:37 - 04.190 WERE NO BULLETS FOUND
01:37 - 06.979 THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME DOUBT
01:37 - 07.530 YOU KNOW
01:37 - 09.569 BECAUSE OF HOW IT HAPPENED, BUT
01:37 - 10.609 IT VERY WELL COULD HAVE BEEN
01:37 - 11.540 THAT THE WIND WAS OVER THE
01:37 - 13.049 BULLETS FLY OUT WE'RE TALKING
01:37 - 14.929 ABOUT A PASSENGER'S SEAT TO THE
01:37 - 17.009 DRIVER'S SEAT, ALTHOUGH THE
01:37 - 18.229 VICTIM TESTIFIED HE MIGHT
01:37 - 20.089 HAVE BELIEVED. BUT THE WINDOW
01:37 - 22.470 WAS WAS UP BECAUSE IT WAS COLD.
01:37 - 24.119 THAT'S STILL NOT CERTAIN ON THE
01:37 - 26.039 RECORD BUT AND WHAT DOES IT
01:37 - 28.859 DO TO HARMLESS ERROR THAT THE
01:37 - 30.900 VICTIMS. BLOOD
01:37 - 32.929 CAME BACK FOR THE HOSPITAL
01:37 - 33.560 SHOWING UNDER
01:37 - 35.159 THE INFLUENCE. WELL THE THING
01:37 - 36.449 ABOUT THAT YOUR HONOR AND IT
01:37 - 37.529 WASN'T REALLY BROUGHT OUT VERY
01:37 - 39.130 MUCH IN THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPT
01:37 - 41.280 BUT THERE'S NO YOU KNOW THAT'S
01:37 - 42.559 THAT'S ONLY SOMETHING THAT WAS
01:37 - 44.479 BROUGHT OUT DIRECTLY FROM THE
01:37 - 45.839 MEDICAL RECORDS ITSELF. NO ONE
01:37 - 46.899 TESTIFIED TO THE MEDICAL
01:37 - 48.439 RECORDS. HOWEVER, A THERMAL
01:37 - 49.879 THOROUGH LOOK AT THOSE MEDICAL
01:37 - 51.239 RECORDS. WE'LL ALSO SHOW THAT
01:37 - 53.469 THE HOSPITAL ITSELF ISSUED
01:37 - 55.319 THE VICTIM ACTUALLY CODE ON
01:37 - 57.159 WHICH IS AN OPIATE AND THEY CAN
01:37 - 58.579 SELL THEIR FROM YOU KNOW THERE
01:37 - 00.599 THERE'S NO THAT THOSE OPIOIDS
01:38 - 02.279 WERE IN THE SYSTEM FROM BEFORE
01:38 - 04.099 NOT THE THE VICTIM TESTIFIED HE
01:38 - 05.100 WAS EVEN DRINK.
01:38 - 07.919 YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT
01:38 - 09.169 A FOR LEAVE US A PERSON THAT
01:38 - 10.299 DOESN'T DRINK MIGHT NOT ALSO
01:38 - 11.020 ISSUED THEIR OWN.
01:38 - 12.359 WELL THERE WASN'T ANY
01:38 - 14.509 INDICATION THAT OR MAYBE THERE
01:38 - 15.759 WAS I DIDN'T SEE ANY
01:38 - 17.829 INDICATIONS DEGREE OF OPIATES
01:38 - 18.250 RENDERED
01:38 - 19.550 HIM INTOXICATED.
01:38 - 21.340 I DON'T THINK THAT CAME UP ON
01:38 - 22.639 THE RECORD YOU KNOW WHAT WITH
01:38 - 23.799 THE EXCEPTION OF THE FACT THAT
01:38 - 25.659 THE MEDICAL RECORDS WERE MOVED
01:38 - 27.519 INTO EVIDENCE BUT IT WASN'T
01:38 - 28.659 ACTUALLY EXPLORED DURING A
01:38 - 29.660 DIRECT ACROSS.
01:38 - 33.559 OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD ONLY
01:38 - 34.750 ARGUE FOR THAT.
01:38 - 37.679 THE REASON WE WOULD TAKE THE
01:38 - 39.599 STANCE IS BECAUSE WE ONLY KNOW
01:38 - 41.010 WE WANT TO PROTECT CONVICTIONS
01:38 - 43.599 AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT
01:38 - 45.549 WHEN THESE CASES GO UP PASSED
01:38 - 46.890 THE STATE COURTS OF APPEAL.
01:38 - 48.470 AND THEY GO TO FEDERAL ABS.
01:38 - 49.000 THEY GET
01:38 - 52.939 OVER TURNED. AND FOR EXAMPLE IN
01:38 - 53.999 THE CASE OF WATCHING THE
01:38 - 56.189 SECRETARY RECENTLY JOHNSON, THE
01:38 - 57.849 SECRETARY IN THE
01:38 - 00.279 3RD CIRCUIT. THE LOWER COURT A
01:39 - 01.829 STATE COURT RULED ON THE ON THE
01:39 - 03.519 BASES OF TRAVERS AND IT'S
01:39 - 05.069 WRITTEN THEIR OPINION. BUT HEY
01:39 - 05.940 THEY'RE WAS WORD ACTION THERE
01:39 - 07.179 WAS A LEARNING INSTRUCTION, NO
01:39 - 09.309 VIOLATION WHERE IS IT COMES UP
01:39 - 09.820 ON THE COURT
01:39 - 12.599 15 YEARS LATER AND THE COURT
01:39 - 13.909 SAYS WE'RE SENDING IT BACK TO
01:39 - 14.949 THE TRIAL. SO
01:39 - 17.589 EITHER RETRY OR OR RELEASE OF
01:39 - 18.639 THE PAN AND SO WE HAVE THAT WE
01:39 - 19.420 WANT TO KEEP
01:39 - 21.689 IGNORING IT WITH THE 3RD
01:39 - 23.309 CIRCUIT IS SAYING ABOUT TRAVERS
01:39 - 26.159 IN ITS SUPERIOR COURT PROGENY I
01:39 - 27.160 THINK WE KNOW YOU'RE ON.
01:39 - 29.889 IT SEEMS IT SEEMS THIS COURT'S
01:39 - 31.069 BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF
01:39 - 32.869 IGNORING. THAT
01:39 - 34.890 3RD CIRCUIT. AUTHORITY.
01:39 - 37.329 NOT THAT WE'RE BOUND BY BUT IT
01:39 - 38.270 IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING A
01:39 - 39.389 PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IGNORING
01:39 - 41.849 IT DOESN'T. I MEAN A GOOD JOB
01:39 - 43.479 AS ROADS AND THE ON IT FOR LIKE
01:39 - 44.510 MY SIGHT.
01:39 - 45.870 THAT'S A TRICK QUESTION.
01:39 - 48.749 WHAT HAS THE GOVERNMENT WILL
01:39 - 50.180 YOU KNOW I CAN SAY WE'VE GOT
01:39 - 51.889 CASES IN OUR FEDERAL A VISIT
01:39 - 53.619 RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PROBABLY YOU
01:39 - 53.820 KNOW
01:39 - 57.009 CASES THAT MIGHT ANOTHER
01:39 - 58.179 ARGUMENT ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT TO
01:39 - 59.459 GET OVERTURNED IN FEDERAL AID
01:39 - 59.570 IS
01:39 - 02.109 RIGHT NOW. SO WE TALK ABOUT YOU
01:40 - 04.030 KNOW THE IDEA OF SEVERANCE
01:40 - 06.100 A STRAIN ON
01:40 - 08.129 JUDICIAL ECONOMY. JUDICIAL
01:40 - 09.750 ECONOMY IS FURTHER STRAIN
01:40 - 11.239 WHEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT 10 TO 15
01:40 - 12.419 YEARS TO THESE WITNESSES ARE
01:40 - 14.409 BACK AVAILABLE AGAIN. THANK YOU
01:40 - 15.410 VERY MUCH. THANK
01:40 - 20.030 SEPARATE ONS CORRECTLY.
01:40 - 40.290 WARNING YEAR
01:40 - 42.359 HONORS ADRIAN JACKIE HEAR FROM
01:40 - 43.419 THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY DISTRICT
01:40 - 44.769 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ARGUING ON
01:40 - 46.009 BEHALF OF THE PENNSYLVANIA
01:40 - 47.629 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
01:40 - 48.630 HAS M S.
01:40 - 51.469 YOUR HONORS THE RULES OUGHT TO
01:40 - 52.639 BE ADVANCED TODAY BY
01:40 - 54.539 THE DEFENDANT. HE'S AM A KISS
01:40 - 55.739 AND THE PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT
01:40 - 56.879 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT THE
01:40 - 58.099 EVIDENCE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED
01:40 - 59.459 AS A WHOLE WHEN DETERMINING
01:40 - 00.350 WHETHER OR NOT A PROVEN
01:41 - 02.799 VIOLATION OCCURRED IS SUCH A
01:41 - 04.509 BROAD AND UNWORKABLE
01:41 - 05.969 INTERPRETATION OF THE UNITED
01:41 - 07.639 STATES SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT
01:41 - 09.729 THAT BEING BRUTON RICHARDSON
01:41 - 11.309 AND GRAY, AND IT'S NOT
01:41 - 13.260 SUPPORTED BY ANY PRECEDENT
01:41 - 14.869 THAT WILL MAKE VIRTUALLY ALL
01:41 - 16.549 READ ACTIONS EVEN THE MOST
01:41 - 18.700 NEUTRAL REDACTIONS INADMISSIBLE
01:41 - 20.649 AND THIS STORY COUNCIL BUT IT'S
01:41 - 22.899 ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE ISN'T IT
01:41 - 24.150 ISN'T IT YOUR POSITION.
01:41 - 25.290 THAT WE OUGHT
01:41 - 28.629 TO VALIDATE HE'S A SUPERIOR
01:41 - 30.409 COURT CASES WHICH INTERPRET
01:41 - 32.689 TRAVERS TO SAY BASICALLY AS
01:41 - 33.410 LONG AS YOU'VE GOT THE
01:41 - 35.399 INSTRUCTION AND THE NEUTRAL
01:41 - 37.170 PRONOUN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
01:41 - 39.929 WAS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH IT
01:41 - 41.489 THAT WE BOXED OURSELVES INTO
01:41 - 41.690 THROUGH
01:41 - 43.929 OUR CASES WE RESPECTFULLY NO
01:41 - 45.649 YOUR HONOR I'M TALKING ABOUT
01:41 - 47.299 THE POSITION NOW THAT THAT THE
01:41 - 48.699 MY POSTING COUNCILS ARE TRYING
01:41 - 49.340 TO ADVANCE.
01:41 - 50.500 AND THAT IS
01:41 - 52.259 LOOKING AT THE RECORD AS A
01:41 - 54.779 WHOLE INCLUDING ALL EVIDENCE OF
01:41 - 56.759 GUILT WHEN DETERMINING WHETHER
01:41 - 58.269 OR NOT THERE WAS A BRUTE
01:41 - 59.110 VIOLATION IN
01:41 - 01.039 THE CASE AND RICHARDSON VERSUS
01:42 - 03.139 MARS EXPRESS LEE SAYS IN NO
01:42 - 04.859 UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT CAN
01:42 - 06.929 TEXTUAL IMPLICATION SHOULD BE
01:42 - 09.019 REJECTED YOU LOOK AT THE FACE
01:42 - 10.689 OF THE STATEMENT ITSELF AND
01:42 - 11.999 WHETHER PERHAPS THERE'S ANY
01:42 - 14.149 OTHER KNOCK US EVIDENCE AT
01:42 - 15.579 TRIAL THAT COULD LINK THE
01:42 - 17.539 DEFENDANT TO THE STATEMENT BUT
01:42 - 19.750 NOT ANY OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT
01:42 - 22.159 AND THE POSITION IN ADVANCE BY
01:42 - 23.710 OPPOSING COUNSEL IN THIS CASE,
01:42 - 25.649 WHAT ESSENTIALLY I MEAN THAT WE
01:42 - 27.509 HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE SEPARATE
01:42 - 28.819 TRIALS FOR JOINT DEFENDANTS
01:42 - 29.150 WHEN THERE'S A
01:42 - 31.489 CO DEFENDANT OR WE RUN THE RISK
01:42 - 32.959 OF THE COMMONWEALTH NEVER BE
01:42 - 33.520 ABLE TO
01:42 - 35.529 USE A STATEMENT OF A CO
01:42 - 36.699 DEFENDANT CAMPS LIKE IT'S THE
01:42 - 37.890 QUESTION THOUGH IS IS.
01:42 - 39.050 PUTTING ASIDE THE
01:42 - 40.730 SUBSTITUTION OF PRONOUNS
01:42 - 42.549 YOU'RE ASKING US TO SORT OF
01:42 - 44.079 IGNORE EVERY OTHER VIRTUALLY
01:42 - 46.730 EVERY OTHER. IDENTIFYING.
01:42 - 49.229 THAT MAY BE IN THE STATEMENT OR
01:42 - 50.849 THE CONFESSION, WHATEVER
01:42 - 53.179 HAPPENS TO BE THAT THAT COULD
01:42 - 55.150 GET TO THAT THAT IS NOT A NAME
01:42 - 56.310 FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW
01:42 - 59.139 MY FRIEND SITTING NEXT TO
01:42 - 01.459 ME THAT DAY WHO HAD A 4 DOOR ON
01:43 - 03.659 AN ASCOT AND THEN SOMEONE COMES
01:43 - 05.939 IN. AFTERWARDS AND SAID YEAH I
01:43 - 07.569 SAW THAT PERSON AT THE SCENE OF
01:43 - 08.989 THE CRIME HE WAS WEARING A
01:43 - 11.899 FEDORA AND AN ASCOT ISN'T ARE
01:43 - 13.130 YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S FINE.
01:43 - 14.899 NO YOUR HONOR I'M NOT I'M
01:43 - 16.959 SAYING THE LANGUAGE MY FRIEND
01:43 - 18.779 IS FINE BECAUSE THAT'S CLEARLY
01:43 - 20.119 A NEUTRAL WORD ACTION WE'VE
01:43 - 21.779 BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT MY
01:43 - 24.050 FRIEND WHO WORKED WITH ME AT.
01:43 - 27.139 JACK'S FIREHOUSE AND I'M I'M
01:43 - 28.299 I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE JACKS
01:43 - 28.810 FIREHOUSE
01:43 - 30.819 REVEREND A REFERENCE BECAUSE
01:43 - 31.750 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
01:43 - 33.599 RELEVANCE OR IMPORTANT WAS IT
01:43 - 35.090 TO THE COMMONWEALTH'S CASE
01:43 - 37.039 FOR PURPOSES OF KEEPING THAT
01:43 - 38.159 IDENTIFYING PIECE OF
01:43 - 40.849 INFORMATION THE STATEMENT AND
01:43 - 42.450 AND ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM
01:43 - 44.180 ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM THAT
01:43 - 46.060 THAT IS THE OTHER
01:43 - 48.419 E SUBSTITUTE THE NAME WITH THE
01:43 - 49.849 PRONOUN THAT'S FINE BUT IF
01:43 - 51.409 THERE'S OTHER IDENTIFYING
01:43 - 53.189 INFORMATION IN THE STATEMENT
01:43 - 55.639 THAT IMPLICATES A CO-DEFENDANT
01:43 - 56.250 ISN'T THAT THE
01:43 - 58.559 BRUTON PROBLEM THAT POTENTIALLY
01:43 - 00.119 IS A PROVEN PROBLEM AND SO LET
01:44 - 01.779 ME GET TO THE MORE NARROW ISSUE
01:44 - 03.289 IN THIS CASE BUT BEFORE I DO I
01:44 - 04.509 WANT TO SAY THE REASON WHY THE
01:44 - 05.879 PDA BECAME INVOLVED IN THIS
01:44 - 06.200 CASE.
01:44 - 07.669 IS FOR THE MORE BROAD
01:44 - 09.439 INTERPRETATION HERE. THE
01:44 - 10.479 POTENTIAL FAR-REACHING
01:44 - 11.420 RAMIFICATIONS.
01:44 - 13.219 THIS CASE COULD HAVE ON OTHER
01:44 - 15.059 CASES IF IN FACT THIS COURT
01:44 - 16.209 ADOPTS THE CONTEXTUAL
01:44 - 18.520 IMPLICATION APPROACH SOUGHT
01:44 - 20.059 I MY COLLEAGUES HERE AN
01:44 - 20.830 APPROACH THAT HAS BEEN
01:44 - 22.439 EXPRESSLY REJECTED BY THE
01:44 - 23.899 UNITED STATES. I THINK I THINK
01:44 - 25.149 YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE THIS CITY
01:44 - 26.459 OF PHILADELPHIA'S CONCEIVING
01:44 - 27.460 BRITAIN VIOLENCE.
01:44 - 29.849 WHY NOT NOT NO YOUR HONOR
01:44 - 31.019 THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE THAT'S
01:44 - 32.299 NOT REAL ISSUE, SO I DON'T GET
01:44 - 33.839 INTO THAT OFFICE IS CONCEDING
01:44 - 34.939 APPROVED BY THAT'S WHY ARE
01:44 - 36.039 ARGUING THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE
01:44 - 37.040 ARGUING.
01:44 - 38.659 WELL, I'M HERE TO ARGUE AGAINST
01:44 - 40.409 A BROAD EXPANSION OF PROVING
01:44 - 41.599 I'M GOOD I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT
01:44 - 43.029 NOW WHAT MY POSITION IS ON THE
01:44 - 44.429 MORE NARROW ISSUE REGARDING
01:44 - 45.480 BRUTON IN THIS CASE.
01:44 - 49.039 WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN
01:44 - 50.219 THAT OUR POSITION IS THAT THERE
01:44 - 51.220 WAS AN ERROR HERE IT WAS A
01:44 - 52.469 HARMLESS ERROR AND THEN WE
01:44 - 53.899 CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT THE
01:44 - 55.219 FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION BEFORE
01:44 - 56.989 THIS COURT WHETHER OR NOT WE
01:44 - 58.149 SHOULD ENDORSE THIS BROAD
01:44 - 59.580 INTERPRETATION OF PROVEN.
01:45 - 01.839 IS VIABLE AND WE CONTINUE TO
01:45 - 03.370 MAINTAIN THAT IS NOT
01:45 - 05.549 BUT ON BEHALF OF
01:45 - 08.199 THE PDA WE DO NOT NOW HAVE A
01:45 - 10.269 DEFINITIVE POSITION ON WHETHER
01:45 - 12.360 THERE WAS AN ALLEGED BRUTON AIR
01:45 - 13.560 IN THIS CASE
01:45 - 15.629 BEYOND RECOGNIZING THE
01:45 - 16.869 DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE
01:45 - 18.740 REDACTION WITH NEAR MY FRIEND
01:45 - 19.939 WHICH WE HAVE WHICH I WOULD
01:45 - 21.469 SUBMIT NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT
01:45 - 23.280 THAT WAS IN FACT CORRECT.
01:45 - 25.019 BUT COUPLING THAT WITH THE
01:45 - 26.889 ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WHO I
01:45 - 28.439 WORKED AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE WITH
01:45 - 29.719 OR MY CO-WORKER AT JACK'S
01:45 - 32.469 FIREHOUSE THAT LANGUAGE IS
01:45 - 34.009 MORE SPECIFIC AND THAT'S
01:45 - 35.769 MORE PROBLEMATIC AND THAT COULD
01:45 - 38.059 VERY WELL BE UPROOTED VIOLATION
01:45 - 39.189 THAT WOULD FALL RIGHT IN LINE
01:45 - 40.620 WITH RICHARDSON CORRECT
01:45 - 43.919 ANYTHING IS SHARING WITH THE
01:45 - 45.939 PERSON'S EXISTENCE. I BELIEVE
01:45 - 47.059 THE EXACT LANGUAGE FROM
01:45 - 48.130 RICHARDSON IS.
01:45 - 49.980 WE HOLD THAT THE
01:45 - 51.249 CONFRONTATION CLAUSE NOT
01:45 - 52.599 VIOLATED BY THE ADMISSION OF
01:45 - 54.210 THE CO-DEFENDANTS CONFESSION
01:45 - 55.920 WITH THE PROP NO THAT'S NOT.
01:45 - 58.659 WHEN THE CONFESSION IS REDACTED
01:45 - 59.929 TO ELIMINATE NOT ONLY THE
01:45 - 01.369 DEFENDANT'S NAME, BUT ANY
01:46 - 02.930 REFERENCE TO HIS OR HER
01:46 - 05.399 EXISTENCE. SO THE QUESTION
01:46 - 06.579 BECOMES IN THIS
01:46 - 09.339 PARTICULAR CASE. THE REFERENCES
01:46 - 11.140 TO THE PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT.
01:46 - 12.940 HOW WOULD WANT TO
01:46 - 14.979 HANDLE THAT WERE WHAT IS YOUR
01:46 - 16.439 RECOMMENDATION TO THIS COURT
01:46 - 18.069 HAS TO HANDLE THAT TRYING TO
01:46 - 18.640 COMPLY
01:46 - 21.149 WITH BRUTON YET UNDERSTANDING
01:46 - 22.899 THE RICHARDSON IMPLICATION
01:46 - 24.450 WHICH SEEMS TO BE BROADER.
01:46 - 26.909 NOW THE WAY I AGREE WITH YOU IS
01:46 - 28.149 THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITH
01:46 - 30.409 THE CONTACTS. ALL
01:46 - 32.009 THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED BUT THE
01:46 - 33.419 BREW LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE
01:46 - 34.170 STATEMENT ON
01:46 - 38.159 ITS FACE. OK, HOW IS IT NOT 1,
01:46 - 39.619 6, AMENDMENT ARE ALL ARTICLE
01:46 - 42.339 1, 9, IF IN FACT WE
01:46 - 45.050 ARE ALLOWING INFORMATION.
01:46 - 49.669 THAT TRULY PINPOINTS WHO THAT
01:46 - 52.150 PERSON IS AND HOW THEY EXIST
01:46 - 54.569 AKA RICHARDSON. WELL EVEN
01:46 - 55.689 MY QUESTION, YES, YOUR HONOR
01:46 - 56.849 THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE ACTUALLY
01:46 - 59.109 PINPOINTING WHO THAT PERSON IS
01:46 - 00.269 IS WITH THE COUPLING OF THE
01:47 - 00.850 LANGUAGE.
01:47 - 02.619 MY CO-WORKER AT JACK'S
01:47 - 04.159 FIREHOUSE AND THE WAY TO
01:47 - 05.629 PERHAPS GET AROUND THAT PERHAPS
01:47 - 06.440 THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN
01:47 - 08.020 THIS CASE IS TO JUST
01:47 - 09.429 TAKE OUT THAT LINE WHICH THE
01:47 - 10.489 PERSON I WORK TO JACK'S
01:47 - 11.899 FIREHOUSE WITH AND JUST KEEP MY
01:47 - 13.159 FRIEND IN THERE BECAUSE THAT
01:47 - 14.239 WOULD RETAIN THE NARRATIVE
01:47 - 15.769 INTEGRITY OF THE STATEMENT AND
01:47 - 17.119 THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
01:47 - 17.720 CASES AND
01:47 - 19.709 THIS COURT HOLD IF YOU HAVE A
01:47 - 21.529 NEUTRAL READ ACTION AS LONG AS
01:47 - 22.490 YOU'RE EATING AND IF YOU READ
01:47 - 23.759 ACTING THINGS AS LONG AS YOU'RE
01:47 - 25.139 RETAINING THE NARRATIVE
01:47 - 26.679 INTEGRITY OF THE STATEMENT AND
01:47 - 27.999 THAT SHOULD PASS MUSTER UNDER
01:47 - 29.009 THE 6TH AMENDMENT THAT WOULD
01:47 - 30.999 HAVE BEEN BUT I THINK IN OUR
01:47 - 34.749 QUEST TO PROTECT. THE 6TH
01:47 - 36.130 AMENDMENT ARE WE NOT
01:47 - 39.259 MANIPULATING EVIDENCE AND ITS
01:47 - 41.739 INTRODUCTION WHICH MISLEAD
01:47 - 43.819 THE JURY EVEN THOUGH IT MAY
01:47 - 45.390 PROTECT SOMEONE'S
01:47 - 48.889 6TH AMENDMENT RIGHT. HOW TO AND
01:47 - 50.789 HAVE SILENCED SOMETIMES WE
01:47 - 52.130 WOULD BE MANIPULATING EVIDENCE
01:47 - 53.709 FOR INSTANCE IF WE WERE IF THE
01:47 - 55.019 DEFENDANT KEPT COMING BACK AND
01:47 - 56.259 SAY NO YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT
01:47 - 57.379 THIS YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT MY
01:47 - 58.739 FRIEND. WELL NO WE WOULDN'T
01:47 - 59.300 TAKE OUT MY
01:47 - 00.939 FRIEND BECAUSE THEIR NUMBER ONE
01:48 - 02.379 THERE GOES OUR IT'S OUR PART OF
01:48 - 04.399 OUR CONSPIRACY ARGUMENT THAT HE
01:48 - 05.519 COMMITTED A CRIME WITH
01:48 - 07.509 SOMEONE ELSE. SO YOU HAVE TO
01:48 - 08.809 LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE
01:48 - 10.109 BASIS. WHAT IN FACT CAN BE
01:48 - 11.459 TAKEN OUT OF THE STATEMENT IN
01:48 - 12.669 THE STATEMENT IT'S SIMPLE TO
01:48 - 13.670 JUST TAKE AND I THINK THERE WAS
01:48 - 15.099 JUST ONE REFERENCE OR MAYBE 2
01:48 - 15.670 REFERENCES TO
01:48 - 17.329 JACK'S FIREHOUSE IF THAT WOULD
01:48 - 18.739 HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT THAT WOULD
01:48 - 19.869 HAVE BEEN FINE BECAUSE MY
01:48 - 21.260 FRIEND IN AND OF ITSELF
01:48 - 22.749 COULD BE INNUMERABLE PEOPLE IN
01:48 - 24.609 FACT WAS MISS CHOPPY THAT THERE
01:48 - 25.290 WAS ALSO A
01:48 - 27.309 REFERENCE TO THEM BEING
01:48 - 28.959 CO-WORKERS AND FRIENDS AT
01:48 - 31.290 JACK'S FIREHOUSE BY THEIR BOSS.
01:48 - 33.439 IN SEPARATE TESTIMONY WHICH
01:48 - 34.060 CAME IN RIGHT
01:48 - 36.099 BEFORE THE THE STATEMENT CAME
01:48 - 38.429 IN RIGHT HERE ON I CAN ADD HIS
01:48 - 39.949 TESTIMONY AND I DON'T THINK
01:48 - 41.379 WHETHER IT CAME IN BEFORE THIS
01:48 - 42.610 I DON'T THINK THIS PERMANENT
01:48 - 44.809 PURPOSEFUL PLACEMENT REALLY
01:48 - 45.919 HAD ANY BEARING AND I KNOW
01:48 - 47.259 THERE'S SOME 3RD CIRCUIT CASES
01:48 - 48.549 AND PERHAPS A SUPREME COURT
01:48 - 50.439 CASE THAT SAYS EVEN IF THE
01:48 - 52.489 CONFESSION WAS THE FIRST THING
01:48 - 53.859 IN EVIDENCE AND YOU CAN TELL
01:48 - 54.170 THAT IT WAS
01:48 - 55.859 THAT PERSON. BUT I THINK THAT'S
01:48 - 57.339 JUST FORM OVER SUBSTANCE EVEN
01:48 - 58.930 IF THAT TESTIMONY FROM THE BOSS
01:48 - 00.599 OF JAX FIREPLACE WOULD HAVE
01:49 - 01.600 COME IN LATER
01:49 - 03.379 TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD
01:49 - 05.119 IDENTIFY THE DEFENDANT BASED ON
01:49 - 06.939 THE JACKS FIREHOUSE LANGUAGE
01:49 - 08.749 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT ACTUAL
01:49 - 10.630 IMPLICATION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT
01:49 - 12.029 TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER
01:49 - 13.370 EVIDENCE OF GUILT
01:49 - 14.430 AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANT
01:49 - 16.640 DISTINCTION FOR IN IMPLICATION
01:49 - 18.900 TO APPLY OR TO NOT APPLY
01:49 - 20.690 CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION MEANS
01:49 - 22.479 EVIDENCE OF GUILT AND THE
01:49 - 22.810 REASON
01:49 - 25.209 WHY THE IS NO NO IT'S THE
01:49 - 26.859 REASON WHY THE FRIEND LANGUAGE
01:49 - 28.769 IS CLEARLY OKAY NUMBER ONE
01:49 - 30.509 BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY NEUTRAL IT
01:49 - 31.779 COULD BE ONE OF ANY NUMBER OF
01:49 - 33.760 PEOPLE AND NUMBER 2.
01:49 - 35.189 ALTHOUGH WE LEARNED THE
01:49 - 36.729 DEFENDANT IS THE FRIEND BY THE
01:49 - 38.620 OWNER OF JACK'S FIREHOUSE
01:49 - 40.759 WITH THAT THAT DOESN'T
01:49 - 42.729 NECESSARILY MEAN THIS IS THE
01:49 - 43.829 PARTICULAR FRIEND, AN ISSUE
01:49 - 44.869 THERE COULD BE MANY FRIENDS,
01:49 - 46.269 IT'S NOT TILL THE END OF TRIAL
01:49 - 47.399 WHEN YOU LEARN ABOUT ALL THE
01:49 - 48.740 OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT.
01:49 - 50.699 THEN YOU SAY HEY WELL I THINK
01:49 - 51.810 THIS DEFENDANT THIS
01:49 - 53.509 DEFENDANT IS THE FRIEND AND
01:49 - 55.149 THAT'S CONTRACTUAL IMPLICATION
01:49 - 56.749 AND THAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY
01:49 - 58.180 RICHARDSON VERSUS MARCH.
01:49 - 00.070 I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
01:50 - 01.179 UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION
01:50 - 01.690 BECAUSE WE'RE GOING
01:50 - 04.039 TO BE IN OUR ULTIMATE OPINION
01:50 - 05.109 ON THIS CASE WE'RE GOING TO BE
01:50 - 07.000 FOCUSED ON OF COURSE.
01:50 - 09.729 THIS THIS DEFENDANT BUT WE'RE
01:50 - 11.169 ALSO GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THE
01:50 - 12.589 BROADER THE QUESTION OF
01:50 - 15.329 BRITAIN. YOUR SAYING IF I
01:50 - 15.960 UNDERSTAND YOU
01:50 - 19.769 CORRECTLY THAT A MAJORITY OF
01:50 - 21.589 THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
01:50 - 24.709 ASSOCIATION COULD NOT REACH A
01:50 - 27.649 DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU
01:50 - 29.960 AGREE WITH THE PHILADELPHIA
01:50 - 32.029 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS POSITION
01:50 - 33.869 THAT THERE WAS NO FOR
01:50 - 36.009 VIOLATION HERE, I'M SORRY THAT
01:50 - 37.619 THERE WAS A BRUTE VIOLATION
01:50 - 38.620 HERE.
01:50 - 40.729 YES, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY WISE
01:50 - 41.690 DO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
01:50 - 43.899 UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS JUST MY
01:50 - 46.739 FRIEND LANGUAGE. I THINK WITH
01:50 - 48.359 THE ASSOCIATION AS A WHOLE WE
01:50 - 49.180 ARE CLEAR IN NO
01:50 - 51.299 UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THAT IS IN
01:50 - 53.769 FACT A PROPER REDACTION IT IS A
01:50 - 54.190 NEUTRAL
01:50 - 55.939 REDACTION NIGHT. IT'S EVEN MORE
01:50 - 57.719 AMORPHOUS AND THE OTHER GUY OR
01:50 - 58.789 SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EVEN
01:50 - 00.109 PERHAPS THE OTHER GUY THE OTHER
01:51 - 01.979 PERSON, SOMEONE COULD POSSIBLY
01:51 - 02.730 THINK THAT THAT'S AN
01:51 - 03.730 ARTIFICIAL.
01:51 - 06.439 READ ACTION, BUT MY FRIEND
01:51 - 07.819 PEOPLE TALK IN GENERALITIES ALL
01:51 - 09.150 THE TIME SO THAT'S CLEARLY
01:51 - 11.079 NEUTRAL AND I WOULD SUBMIT
01:51 - 11.980 UNDER THE CASE LAW THE
01:51 - 13.769 SUPREME COURT WITH THE UNITED
01:51 - 15.529 STATES THIS AND THIS COURT THAT
01:51 - 16.620 IS SUFFICIENT.
01:51 - 19.089 IT'S ONLY WHEN THAT MY FRIEND
01:51 - 21.519 IS COUPLED WITH THE CO-WORKER
01:51 - 23.769 AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE THAT
01:51 - 25.590 BECOMES PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE
01:51 - 27.070 SEEMINGLY THAT
01:51 - 29.559 TO SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THE
01:51 - 31.559 DEFENDANT GOTCHA SO IF THIS
01:51 - 33.460 COURT WERE 2
01:51 - 35.409 WRITE AN OPINION AND FIND THAT
01:51 - 36.899 THERE WAS IN FACT A BRUTE IN
01:51 - 38.929 VIOLATION. I WOULD ASK THIS
01:51 - 40.419 COURT TO BE CAREFUL AND
01:51 - 42.999 DELINEATE EXACTLY WHY THERE WAS
01:51 - 44.959 A VIOLATION AND IN
01:51 - 48.469 DOING SO AFFIRM THAT THE MINE
01:51 - 48.790 FRIEND
01:51 - 51.929 LANGUAGE WAS INDEED SUFFICIENT
01:51 - 52.890 CAN YOU ENVISION NO
01:51 - 55.429 SCENARIO COUNCIL IN WHICH THE
01:51 - 56.979 KIND OF IN FOR HIS NOT JUST THE
01:51 - 58.349 FACT OF AN INFERENCE BUT THE
01:51 - 59.790 KIND OF AN INFERENCE.
01:52 - 02.099 THAT COULD BE DRAWN IN IN
01:52 - 03.380 SOME HYPOTHETICAL.
01:52 - 06.159 COULD MAKE THAT MY FRIEND
01:52 - 08.479 PROBLEMATIC. IN OTHER WORDS CAN
01:52 - 10.049 YOU JUST ARE YOU ARE YOU
01:52 - 11.849 ARTICULATING FOR US ARE
01:52 - 13.199 ADVOCATING FOR A BRIGHT LINE
01:52 - 15.109 RULE ABOUT MY FRIEND BEING
01:52 - 17.439 SUFFICIENTLY VANILLA IN ALL
01:52 - 18.949 CIRCUMSTANCES, I'M NOT DOING
01:52 - 20.379 THAT ALBRIGHT LAW ALL RULES
01:52 - 21.429 HAVE EXCEPTIONS AND TO THE
01:52 - 24.019 EXTENT. OPPONENTS HEARSAY
01:52 - 24.550 TRAVERS
01:52 - 26.289 ADVOCATES BLACK BRIGHT LINE
01:52 - 27.399 RULE IT DOESN'T END EVEN THE
01:52 - 28.420 3RD CIRCUIT SAYS.
01:52 - 32.019 SUPREME COURT TRAVERS ADVOCATES
01:52 - 34.179 AND NEAR. BRIGHT
01:52 - 35.459 LINE RULE BUT
01:52 - 37.539 ALL RULES HAVE EXCEPTIONS LIKE
01:52 - 38.639 THE GENERAL RULE THAT JURIES
01:52 - 39.560 ARE PRESUMED TO FOLLOW THE
01:52 - 40.629 COURT'S INSTRUCTION THERE'S
01:52 - 42.030 EXTREMELY LIMITED EXCEPTION.
01:52 - 43.240 WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY
01:52 - 45.479 BRUTON SO LET ME LET ME TRY TO
01:52 - 46.590 THINK OF AN EXAMPLE MY
01:52 - 48.850 THAT YOUR ONLY
01:52 - 53.339 THIS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON A
01:52 - 54.859 DEFENDANT IS ON FOR THE
01:52 - 56.009 DEFENDANT IS ON TRIAL
01:52 - 58.139 AND SOMEHOW EVERYONE IS AWARE
01:52 - 59.849 THAT HE'S A WRECK LOOSEN LIVE
01:52 - 01.950 SOMEWHERE. HE HAS
01:53 - 04.689 SOMEHOW IT'S KNOWN THAT HE HAS
01:53 - 07.239 A SINGLE FRONT. NOW BUT
01:53 - 09.079 THE UNABOMBER. SOMETHING
01:53 - 10.809 LIKE THAT. SO IN THAT SITUATION
01:53 - 11.979 AND THAT'S WHY THE RULE IN
01:53 - 13.319 TRAVERSE ISN'T A BRIGHT LINE
01:53 - 14.669 RULE THERE'S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS
01:53 - 16.059 BUT GENERALLY THE OTHER PERSON
01:53 - 17.229 THE OTHER GUY THE DUDE THE
01:53 - 19.069 FRIEND THAT'S GENERALLY
01:53 - 20.459 UNACCEPTABLE FRASER
01:53 - 23.399 PRONOUN OR WORD TO USE FOR YOU
01:53 - 24.659 THAT I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK
01:53 - 24.780 TO
01:53 - 25.140 WIN IT.
01:53 - 26.909 OPENING STATEMENTS AND SEE IF
01:53 - 27.540 I UNDERSTOOD
01:53 - 30.069 YOU START. I THINK YOU SAID
01:53 - 32.079 THAT ANY VALUE WAITING AND
01:53 - 34.380 REVIVE A SHIFT FROM A STATEMENT
01:53 - 37.249 WE INJECTED TO LOOKING AT ALL
01:53 - 39.199 THE EVIDENCE YET THAT WERE
01:53 - 41.330 PRESENT WAS PRESENTED AT TRIAL
01:53 - 43.249 TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE
01:53 - 44.160 STATEMENT
01:53 - 47.739 WAS OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE DAWN
01:53 - 49.449 TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANTS IS
01:53 - 49.930 THAT RIGHT
01:53 - 52.209 OR WRONG. THAT'S YOUR HONOR.
01:53 - 53.779 RICHARDSON VERSUS MARCH
01:53 - 55.480 EXPRESSLY SAYS.
01:53 - 57.249 THAT THERE CAN BE NO PROOF
01:53 - 59.429 VIOLATION BASED ON CAN TEXTUAL
01:53 - 01.169 IMPLICATION AND CONTEXTUAL
01:54 - 02.879 IMPLICATION IS OTHER EVIDENCE
01:54 - 05.039 OF GUILT BUT WHY DON'T THE
01:54 - 07.289 ONLY REASON YOU HAVE CONCEDED
01:54 - 08.770 ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS HERE
01:54 - 11.379 THAT WE'RE FRIENDS IN JACK'S
01:54 - 12.629 FIREHOUSE IS
01:54 - 14.619 SO PREJUDICIAL IS THAT WE HAVE
01:54 - 15.909 OTHER TESTIMONY FROM OTHER
01:54 - 17.569 PEOPLE THAT THEY BOTH WORKED
01:54 - 19.339 JACK'S FIREHOUSE THEY WERE
01:54 - 20.519 THERE THAT NIGHT THEY LEFT
01:54 - 21.869 TOGETHER THAT NIGHT SO ISN'T
01:54 - 23.089 THAT THE CONVENTIONAL IN
01:54 - 24.669 THAT CASE, THERE'S AN IMPORTANT
01:54 - 25.859 DISTINCTION THERE YOUR HONOR
01:54 - 27.529 BUT LIKE ME THE IMPORTANT
01:54 - 29.160 DISTINCTION IS THE
01:54 - 31.209 OWNER OF JACK'S FIREHOUSE
01:54 - 32.969 TESTIFIED GAVE KNOCK US
01:54 - 35.219 TESTIMONY THAT THESE GUYS WORK
01:54 - 37.820 WITH ME AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE AND
01:54 - 39.040 THAT WAS NOT
01:54 - 41.259 OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT THAT'S
01:54 - 43.309 JUST EVIDENCE OF WHERE THESE
01:54 - 45.239 PEOPLE WORKED IT'S ONLY WHEN
01:54 - 47.509 THERE'S EVIDENCE OF GUILT THAT
01:54 - 48.779 LINKS THE DEFENDANT TO THE
01:54 - 49.780 STATEMENT.
01:54 - 51.560 SO I EVEN
01:54 - 52.789 USE EIMERS YOUR HONOR I
01:54 - 54.449 APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU DIDN'T LIKE
01:54 - 56.149 ME TRY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
01:54 - 57.150 UNDERSTAND THIS.
01:54 - 00.689 THEREFORE WHAT IS THE
01:55 - 02.629 IMPLICATION OF I THINK WAS MISS
01:55 - 04.629 TO HOUSTON THIS TESTIMONY THAT
01:55 - 06.209 THEY BOTH WORKED FOR JACK'S
01:55 - 08.289 FIREHOUSE WELL WE LOOK AT THAT
01:55 - 09.479 IN CONSIDERING WHETHER
01:55 - 11.659 THE STATEMENT. THE BRUINS
01:55 - 13.249 STATEMENT VIOLATES WOULDN'T DO
01:55 - 14.250 NOT LOOK AT THAT.
01:55 - 17.919 WELL THE REIT THE REIT I WOULD
01:55 - 19.059 SUBMIT NOT THAT I WAS A
01:55 - 20.369 PROSECUTOR IN THAT CASE, BUT I
01:55 - 21.629 WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE REASON
01:55 - 22.959 THE PROSECUTOR PUT THAT
01:55 - 24.879 EVIDENCE ON MISTER ESTABLISHED
01:55 - 25.650 THAT THEY WERE FRIENDS AND
01:55 - 26.340 THEIR PART
01:55 - 27.549 THERE FOR YOU'RE GOING TO
01:55 - 28.689 COMMIT A CRIME IF SOMEONE HAS A
01:55 - 29.799 CONSPIRATOR IT'S LIKELY GOING
01:55 - 30.780 TO BE A FRIEND OR SOMEONE YOU
01:55 - 31.690 KNOW SO THAT WAS PROBABLY TO
01:55 - 33.359 ESTABLISH CONSPIRACY. IT WASN'T
01:55 - 34.040 AN END I
01:55 - 35.829 WOULD HOPE AND THINK IT WASN'T
01:55 - 37.809 AN ATTEMPT TO LINK THEM TO THE
01:55 - 40.259 STATEMENT. BUT THE REASON WHY
01:55 - 41.919 SO MY FRIEND IN THERE YOU'RE
01:55 - 42.969 LOOKING AT THE STATEMENT, BUT
01:55 - 44.970 MY FRIEND IS A NEUTRAL PRONOUN
01:55 - 47.519 SO OUR NEUTRAL TERM SO YOU NEED
01:55 - 48.960 NOT GO ANY FURTHER
01:55 - 51.499 AND WAIT WAIT, BUT IF YOU DO
01:55 - 52.979 AND FIND OUT HOW HE'S LINK YOU
01:55 - 54.420 FIND OUT LATER ON AT THE END OF
01:55 - 56.559 HE'S THE FRIEND, BUT YOU ONLY
01:55 - 57.550 LEARNED THAT THROUGH OTHER
01:55 - 58.679 EVIDENCE OF THE DEFENDANT'S
01:55 - 00.749 GUILT. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE
01:56 - 02.899 JACKS FIREHOUSE THING YOU LEARN
01:56 - 04.950 THAT THAT'S A SPECIFIC.
01:56 - 07.909 I WANT TO SAY IT'S ANOTHER
01:56 - 09.009 MONIKER FOR THE DEFENDANTS
01:56 - 09.760 NAME, BUT IT'S IT'S
01:56 - 12.749 TOO SPECIFIC TO QUALIFY AS A
01:56 - 14.960 BROAD NEUTRAL REDACTION.
01:56 - 18.739 IT'S LINKED BASED JUST ON THAT
01:56 - 19.150 WHICH IS
01:56 - 20.400 I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S
01:56 - 21.360 EQUIVALENT TO FACIAL
01:56 - 22.749 INCRIMINATION BUT IT KIND OF IS
01:56 - 24.059 IN REGARDS TO JUSTICE WEX
01:56 - 25.559 QUESTION IT'S THE KIND OF
01:56 - 27.009 INFERENCE THAT THE GREAT COURT
01:56 - 28.110 TALKED ABOUT AND THAT'S IT.
01:56 - 30.129 ARGUABLY A POWERFUL IN FRANCE,
01:56 - 31.479 IF YOU'RE YOU'RE TALK, YOURS
01:56 - 33.329 DESCRIBING HIM, SO SPECIFICALLY
01:56 - 35.209 SO I WANTED TO TALK, BUT NO I'M
01:56 - 36.310 SORRY I
01:56 - 38.089 JUST FOLLOWING UP AND CHIEF
01:56 - 39.489 JUSTICE QUESTIONS SO IF YOUR
01:56 - 40.590 POSITION.
01:56 - 41.540 THE FACT
01:56 - 43.870 THAT THE REDACTED STATEMENT
01:56 - 47.290 PERMITTED THE JACKS FIREHOUSE
01:56 - 49.839 INFORMATION COUPLED WITH
01:56 - 52.619 THE OWNER TESTIMONY PRIOR
01:56 - 55.269 TO THAT THAT FALLS WITHIN THE
01:56 - 57.319 RICHARDSON BECAUSE IT'S CAN
01:56 - 59.620 TECH SHIRLEY. IMPLICATING.
01:57 - 02.729 ARE YOU STORE THE NOW NO NO I
01:57 - 04.240 DON'T I DON'T THAT DOESN'T
01:57 - 06.069 FALL WITHIN RICHARDSON BECAUSE
01:57 - 07.329 RICHARD SINCE CONTEXTUAL
01:57 - 09.079 IMPLICATION. KERRY SAYS YOU'RE
01:57 - 10.389 NOT ALLOWED TO USE OTHER
01:57 - 12.189 EVIDENCE OF GUILT AND PERHAPS
01:57 - 13.599 IF I SITES LANGUAGE FROM
01:57 - 15.019 TRAVERSE IT WILL MAKE IT CLEAR
01:57 - 16.020 IN TRAVERSE.
01:57 - 17.839 WHEN THE COURT WAS DISCUSSING
01:57 - 19.150 CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION.
01:57 - 21.259 IT STATED THAT THE REDACTED
01:57 - 22.649 STATEMENT LIKE THE ONE IN
01:57 - 24.490 RICHARDSON BECAME INCRIMINATING
01:57 - 26.549 ONLY AND I QUOTE THROUGH
01:57 - 28.459 INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE INTRODUCED
01:57 - 29.200 AT TRIAL
01:57 - 30.869 WHICH ESTABLISHED THE
01:57 - 33.589 DEFENDANTS COMPLICITY. SO IT'S
01:57 - 35.129 ONLY WHEN THERE'S INDEPENDENT
01:57 - 36.839 EVIDENCE INTRODUCED AT TRIAL
01:57 - 39.089 THAT ESTABLISHES HIS COMPLICITY
01:57 - 40.199 IF THAT'S WHAT LINKS THE
01:57 - 42.059 DEFENDANT AND THAT'S NOT A
01:57 - 44.029 BRUTAL VIOLATION. BECAUSE
01:57 - 45.560 THAT'S JUST THE ACTUAL CONTENT.
01:57 - 47.189 YES THAT'S THE CONTEXTUAL
01:57 - 49.150 IMPLICATION FERRY AND
01:57 - 50.839 I GUESS IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE
01:57 - 52.269 MOST OF THE CASES THAT TALK
01:57 - 52.530 ABOUT
01:57 - 54.209 CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION AND
01:57 - 55.539 BEFORE I REALLY DELVED INTO
01:57 - 57.319 THIS AND I JUST RECENTLY LAST
01:57 - 58.509 WEEK SUBMITTED ANOTHER BRITON
01:57 - 59.979 FREE TO THIS COURT IN ANOTHER
01:57 - 01.560 CASE I LOOKED INTO IT FURTHER.
01:58 - 04.989 BUT THE CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION
01:58 - 06.639 THEORY IN RICHARDSON VERSUS
01:58 - 09.039 MARSH SEEMINGLY WHEN YOU FIRST
01:58 - 10.090 READ IT IT SAYS
01:58 - 11.659 O WELL YOU CAN'T LOOK AT ANY
01:58 - 12.839 OTHER EVIDENCE IF THEY WANT YOU
01:58 - 14.199 TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE RECORD NO
01:58 - 16.039 THAT'S WRONG. WELL YOU CAN LOOK
01:58 - 17.209 AT OTHER EVIDENCE YOU JUST
01:58 - 18.899 CAN'T LOOK AT OTHER
01:58 - 20.779 EVIDENCE OF GUILT BECAUSE IF
01:58 - 22.569 YOU DID OF COURSE THERE'S GOING
01:58 - 23.709 TO BE OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT
01:58 - 25.139 FOR THE COMMONWEALTH HAS 2
01:58 - 26.350 DEPENDENTS, THEY'RE THERE
01:58 - 28.009 THEY'RE GOING TO TRIAL WITH ONE
01:58 - 28.380 OF THEM GIVES
01:58 - 30.039 A STATEMENT OF COURSE THERE'S
01:58 - 31.020 GOING TO BE TONS OF OTHER
01:58 - 32.219 EVIDENCE OF GUILT AGAINST THE
01:58 - 33.389 OTHER DEFENDANT BECAUSE WE KNOW
01:58 - 34.909 DARN WELL WE CAN'T USE THAT TO
01:58 - 36.749 CLEAR IT. CO-DEFENDANTS
01:58 - 38.579 TESTIMONY AGAINST OUR DEFENDANT
01:58 - 39.809 SO THERE'S GOING TO BE ABUNDANT
01:58 - 41.329 EVIDENCE SO TO COME IN HERE
01:58 - 43.669 AND SAY OH WELL, THIS DEFENDANT
01:58 - 44.759 IS LINKED TO THE STATEMENT
01:58 - 46.059 BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER EVIDENCE
01:58 - 47.479 THERE SO BY THAT OTHER EVIDENCE
01:58 - 48.470 YOU CAN TELL THAT HE'S MY
01:58 - 49.889 FRIEND. WELL, OF COURSE YOU'RE
01:58 - 51.439 GOING TO TELL THAT THAT BUT
01:58 - 52.970 THAT'S NOT WHAT BRUTON HOLD
01:58 - 54.309 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TO
01:58 - 56.389 REMEMBER HERE THAT AND I THINK
01:58 - 58.169 WHAT MY OPPOSING COUNSEL LOSE
01:58 - 00.129 SIGHT OF IS THAT BRUTON IS IN
01:59 - 01.599 LIMITED EXCEPTION TO THE
01:59 - 03.939 GENERAL RULE, THE GENERAL RULE
01:59 - 04.640 IS THAT
01:59 - 06.679 JURIES ARE PRESUMED TO FOLLOW
01:59 - 08.080 THE COURT'S INSTRUCTIONS
01:59 - 09.419 AND IT'S ONLY IN THE
01:59 - 11.239 RARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A
01:59 - 13.129 DEFENDANT IS DIRECTLY IN POWER
01:59 - 14.639 FULLY INCRIMINATED IN A
01:59 - 16.999 STATEMENT THEN WE CAN NO LONGER
01:59 - 18.620 PRESUME THAT
01:59 - 20.399 THAT PERSON. THE JURY IS
01:59 - 21.449 FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS AND WE
01:59 - 23.009 HAVE TO REMEMBER IN BREWTON THE
01:59 - 24.909 DEFENDANT WAS ACTUALLY NAMED
01:59 - 26.319 THE CO-DEPENDENT SAID ME AND
01:59 - 27.609 BRUTON ARE PERHAPS YOU PREFER
01:59 - 29.199 TO HIS FIRST NAME. SO THAT WAS
01:59 - 30.499 CLEARLY IDENTIFYING THE
01:59 - 31.420 DEFENDANT SO THAT WAS THE
01:59 - 33.139 CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THAT
01:59 - 35.169 CASE WAS INVOLVED HERE. I GET
01:59 - 36.759 IT THERE COULD VERY WELL BE
01:59 - 38.289 UPROOTED VIOLATION WITH THE MY
01:59 - 40.369 JAX FIREHOUSE LANGUAGE BUT THE
01:59 - 40.670 MY
01:59 - 43.319 FRIEND LANGUAGE IS COMPLETELY
01:59 - 45.389 INNOCUOUS IT'S NEUTRAL LANGUAGE
01:59 - 47.519 BY ITSELF BY ITSELF AND IT'S
01:59 - 49.349 ONLY WHEN COUPLED WITH THAT
01:59 - 50.330 OTHER LANGUAGE THAT
01:59 - 52.689 IT'S ARGUABLY A VIOLATION
01:59 - 54.249 COUNCIL COUNCIL FOR SAKE OF
01:59 - 55.489 COMPLETENESS TEACHERS
01:59 - 57.799 ASSOCIATION TAKE A POSITION ON
01:59 - 00.949 THE EFFECT OF ANY OF THE DAY
02:00 - 03.129 YOU PRACTICING HIS READING OF
02:00 - 04.230 THE CONFESSION.
02:00 - 05.789 WITH THE STATEMENT THAT IT
02:00 - 08.050 WEIGHS A REDACTED STATEMENT.
02:00 - 13.539 WELL I THINK IN READING THE
02:00 - 15.239 ONE STATEMENT, I'M NOT SO SURE
02:00 - 16.859 IF HE SAID REDACTED I THINK HE
02:00 - 18.200 MENTIONED THE VERSION.
02:00 - 20.649 PERHAPS THAT WOULD HAVE SOME
02:00 - 22.019 EFFECT ON THE BRITON VIOLATION
02:00 - 23.109 BUT THAT WASN'T RAISED BY THE
02:00 - 24.339 DEFENDANTS IN THIS PARTY WAS
02:00 - 25.030 ONLY RAISED IN THE
02:00 - 26.639 COMMONWEALTH'S BRIEF. SO THAT
02:00 - 27.849 WOULD BE A NEW ARGUMENT THAT
02:00 - 28.350 THE DEFENDANT
02:00 - 29.350 DID IT.
02:00 - 32.199 RECOLLECTION AND ONE 85 WITH
02:00 - 34.459 A NOTE ATTACHED TO MADE LINE 15
02:00 - 35.909 GET YOU OUT THE TYPE VERSION
02:00 - 37.689 THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU BY ME
02:00 - 40.609 ANSWER REDACTED ONE WHEN
02:00 - 41.700 QUESTIONED MART
02:00 - 44.370 WAS IT JUST YET, BUT IT IS THAT
02:00 - 46.799 FEMALE CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT
02:00 - 48.579 OR IS THAT WILSON STATEMENT, I
02:00 - 49.929 KNOW ONE OF THEM SAID REDACTED
02:00 - 51.360 YES AND AND THE OTHER ONE.
02:00 - 53.029 SAID YOU HAVE THAT WHATEVER
02:00 - 55.600 VERSION. MISTER WELL, OKAY.
02:00 - 57.849 BUT OUR POSITION BUT I WOULD
02:00 - 58.710 SUBMIT THAT THAT WOULD BE
02:00 - 00.129 WEIGHT BECAUSE IT WASN'T RAISED
02:01 - 01.149 IN ANY OF THE BRIEFING HERE
02:01 - 02.359 EXCEPT IN THE COMMONWEALTH
02:01 - 03.360 SPREE.
02:01 - 05.449 SO I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN'T
02:01 - 06.819 RAISE NEW THEORIES ON APPEAL SO
02:01 - 07.889 TO THE EXTENT THE DEFENDANTS
02:01 - 09.249 WOULD BE RAISING THAT NOW I
02:01 - 10.650 WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT WOULD BE
02:01 - 12.499 PART AND PARCEL OF THE PRUDENT
02:01 - 15.009 CLAIM WHAT YOUR WHAT YOUR WHICH
02:01 - 16.609 YOU'RE ASSOCIATIONS POSITION ON
02:01 - 17.610 IT.
02:01 - 20.289 I'M COUNTING. WE DON'T FIND
02:01 - 21.290 WAIVER.
02:01 - 23.860 I MEAN YOU HAVE ANY
02:01 - 25.509 ASSOCIATION WHO WON'T TAKE A
02:01 - 27.339 POSITION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS
02:01 - 28.429 TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A
02:01 - 29.980 BRUTAL VIOLATION AND.
02:01 - 32.199 IF THIS IS AN ADDED FACTOR
02:01 - 33.519 THAT THE TESTIMONY BY THE
02:01 - 34.939 DEFENDANT WAYS THIS IS A
02:01 - 36.110 REDACTED STATEMENT.
02:01 - 39.559 YOUR FOR YOUR HONOR TO BE CLEAR
02:01 - 41.009 WE'RE NOT TAKING POSITION IT'S
02:01 - 41.950 OUR POSITION THAT REASONABLE
02:01 - 43.020 MINDS TOO GREAT.
02:01 - 44.439 COULD DISAGREE AND IN FACT
02:01 - 45.969 REASONABLE MINDS DO JUST
02:01 - 47.839 DISAGREE AND SAY I'M NOT TAKING
02:01 - 49.179 A POSITION ON THE BROOM
02:01 - 50.350 VIBRATION CRACKED.
02:01 - 52.289 YOU'RE CONCERNED YOUR CONCERN
02:01 - 53.609 IS IS THIS COURT ISSUING A
02:01 - 54.809 DECISION THAT SAYS NEUTRAL
02:01 - 56.080 PRONOUNS ARE NO LONGER GOOD.
02:01 - 58.700 MY FRIEND IS NOT GOOD.
02:02 - 02.779 THAT'S THE NARROW ISSUE ARE
02:02 - 04.859 BROADER CONCERN AS IF THIS
02:02 - 07.269 COURT ADOPT A RULE THAT
02:02 - 09.199 ALLOWS FOR CAN TECH STILL
02:02 - 10.729 IMPLICATION WHICH THE 3RD
02:02 - 11.200 CIRCUIT
02:02 - 13.229 REPEATEDLY DOES. BUT IT'S NOT
02:02 - 15.009 SANCTIONED BY THE UNITED STATES
02:02 - 16.109 OR YOU HAVE WHAT ABOUT I
02:02 - 17.110 THOUGHT I THOUGHT
02:02 - 19.360 PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT
02:02 - 21.619 ATTORNEY'S ARGUMENT ON BABY US
02:02 - 22.789 CONCERNS WAS AN INTERESTING
02:02 - 24.429 CONCERNED YOU NOT THE DISTRICT
02:02 - 25.799 ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION NOT SHARE
02:02 - 25.870 THE
02:02 - 27.939 CONCERN THAT IF THE 3RD CIRCUIT
02:02 - 29.249 HAS ADOPTED CAN TOUCH WILL
02:02 - 30.649 IMPLICATION THAT THESE CASES
02:02 - 30.920 ARE JUST
02:02 - 32.339 GOING TO WE'LL GO THROUGH HERE,
02:02 - 33.689 BUT THEY GO THROUGH FEDERAL ABS
02:02 - 34.690 AND GET REVERSED ANYWAY.
02:02 - 37.179 I DON'T SHARE THE CONCERN
02:02 - 38.509 BECAUSE I'M VERY WELL AWARE
02:02 - 39.779 THAT WE HAVE NUMEROUS CASES IN
02:02 - 41.199 FACT I HAVE WON THE FIRST
02:02 - 42.949 BATTLE IN THE 30'S, THE AND
02:02 - 43.370 HEALTH.
02:02 - 45.079 HOPEFULLY ONE OF THESE DAYS,
02:02 - 46.479 THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
02:02 - 48.439 IS GOING TO GRANT START ON ONE
02:02 - 50.160 OF THESE CASES, BUT I WILL SAY
02:02 - 51.909 THIS COURT IS NOT BEHOLDEN TO
02:02 - 53.709 THE 3RD CIRCUIT. THIS COURT
02:02 - 55.869 HAS CONSISTENTLY PROPERLY
02:02 - 57.449 INTERPRETED AND APPLIED THE
02:02 - 59.669 BRUTON TRILOGY THE SUPREME
02:02 - 00.919 COURT'S USE ME THE 3RD CIRCUIT
02:03 - 03.010 ON THE OTHER HAND. THEY.
02:03 - 06.189 BASICALLY HOLD THAT ANY NEUTRAL
02:03 - 08.049 PHRASE READ ACTION WILL RESULT
02:03 - 10.129 IN GRANTING OF A WRIT OF HABEAS
02:03 - 11.459 CORPUS UNLESS THERE'S A SUDDEN
02:03 - 13.079 NOW YOU JUMPED YOU JUMP FROM
02:03 - 15.619 ONE ROAD APPLICATION TO THE
02:03 - 17.670 POLAR OPPOSITE ROAD APPLICATION
02:03 - 19.410 DON'T TO KATE DOESN'T
02:03 - 21.549 DOESN'T THE CASE LAST STAND FOR
02:03 - 23.780 NEW ONES STAND FOR CONTEXT.
02:03 - 25.199 AND STAND AGAINST ROAD
02:03 - 26.909 APPLICATION ON ONE POLL OR
02:03 - 28.609 ANOTHER IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE
02:03 - 29.280 YOU'RE YOU'RE
02:03 - 31.899 ARGUING. IN FAVOR OF WATER
02:03 - 33.359 SUPERIOR COURT APPARENTLY BEEN
02:03 - 36.060 DOING WITH THIS ROAD POSITION
02:03 - 38.019 THAT A NEUTRAL PRONOUN PLUS A
02:03 - 39.509 CAUTIONARY INSTRUCTION YOU'RE
02:03 - 40.510 GOOD TO GO.
02:03 - 43.619 AND AND AND NOW YOU'RE
02:03 - 45.670 SAYING THAT THAT.
02:03 - 46.910 THERE'S AN
02:03 - 49.439 OPPOSITE ROAD VIEW THE 3RD
02:03 - 51.299 CIRCUIT IS WHAT I'M HEARING
02:03 - 52.230 WHILE YOU'RE ON WITH ALL DUE
02:03 - 53.809 RESPECT I'M NOT ARGUING THAT IN
02:03 - 55.509 PENNSYLVANIA STATE CASES IT'S A
02:03 - 57.119 ROAD POSITION THE ROAD POSITION
02:03 - 58.519 TAKEN BY THE 3RD CIRCUIT IS
02:03 - 00.129 INCONSISTENT WITH UNITED STATES
02:04 - 00.970 SUPREME COURT
02:04 - 02.649 WHAT I'M ARGUING THIS CASE AND
02:04 - 04.529 THE TRAVERSE OPINION WHICH
02:04 - 05.120 DISCUSSES
02:04 - 07.099 NEUTRAL PRONOUNS IT'S THE
02:04 - 08.859 GENERAL RULE, IT'S NOT A BRIGHT
02:04 - 09.929 LINE RULE THERE'S ALWAYS
02:04 - 11.209 EXCEPTIONS TO THE ROLE IT
02:04 - 12.509 DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY AS
02:04 - 14.229 LONG AS YOU HAVE A NEUTRAL
02:04 - 15.749 PRONOUN AND A CAUTIONARY
02:04 - 17.209 INSTRUCTION THAT SUFFICIENT IT
02:04 - 17.850 DOES NOT
02:04 - 19.079 IT SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A
02:04 - 20.579 NEUTRAL PRONOUN THERE CAN'T BE
02:04 - 22.389 ANY OBVIOUS INDICATION OF ANY
02:04 - 25.129 REACTION. THE STILL RETAIN ITS
02:04 - 26.130 NARRATIVE INTEGRITY
02:04 - 27.609 AND THERE MUST BE A CAUTIONARY
02:04 - 29.019 INSTRUCTION AND EVEN THIS
02:04 - 30.369 COURTHOUSE FOUND IN SOME
02:04 - 32.089 SITUATIONS IN WET WHICH THERE
02:04 - 34.219 IS A NEUTRAL PRONOUN BUT THAT
02:04 - 35.220 DOESN'T NECESSARILY
02:04 - 37.599 MUSTER UNDER BRUTON AND IN THAT
02:04 - 38.789 REGARD. I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR
02:04 - 41.359 ATTENTION TO COMMONWEALTH'S THE
02:04 - 42.909 CHEF FORCED PLEASE OKAY IF I
02:04 - 43.969 COULD JUST DIRECT YOUR HONOR'S
02:04 - 45.159 ATTENTION TO I BELIEVE IT'S
02:04 - 46.570 COMMONWEALTH VERSUS MARKMAN
02:04 - 48.690 PENNSYLVANIA 2007.
02:04 - 50.099 THAT WAS A CASE IN WHICH THE
02:04 - 51.759 OTHER GUY WAS USED AND IF IF
02:04 - 52.829 THIS COURT ADOPTED A BRIGHT
02:04 - 53.820 LINE RULE BUT THEN YOU WOULD
02:04 - 54.350 SAY THAT THAT
02:04 - 56.069 WAS SUFFICIENT BUT IN THAT CASE
02:04 - 57.149 THE WAY IN WHICH WAS READ TO
02:04 - 58.439 THE JURY IT WAS AN AUDIO
02:04 - 00.040 RECORDING AND EVERY TIME.
02:05 - 01.969 THE OTHER GUY CAME IN IT WAS A
02:05 - 04.429 VOICED UP, SO IT WAS CLEAR THAT
02:05 - 05.949 THERE IS AN OBVIOUS INDICATION
02:05 - 06.260 SO IN
02:05 - 08.309 THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. IT WAS FOUND
02:05 - 09.529 TO BE APPROVED BY A LICENSE
02:05 - 10.669 THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT
02:05 - 11.979 WHAT THE 3RD CIRCUIT IS SAYING
02:05 - 13.829 IS WRONG. THIS COURT IS NOT
02:05 - 16.440 TOTALLY APPLY. ROUTE.
02:05 - 18.660 GIVEN THAT YOUR ASSOCIATION.
02:05 - 22.740 RATION PACKS IN
02:05 - 24.219 THIS CASE. HE'S NOT
02:05 - 27.759 SURE WHY SHOWS THAT THESE ARE
02:05 - 28.400 SUBTLE AND
02:05 - 29.400 DIFFICULT IS.
02:05 - 31.719 AND AND YOU KNOW OUR CORE
02:05 - 33.469 WILL WRITE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS
02:05 - 36.659 CORRECT WE REGARD LISTS OF WHAT
02:05 - 38.069 THE 3RD CIRCUIT DOESN'T IT'S
02:05 - 39.539 SOME JUNCTURE PERHAPS THE
02:05 - 40.779 UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
02:05 - 42.279 WILL STRAIGHTEN IT OUT AND OF
02:05 - 43.819 COURSE WE ARE OBLIGATED TO FALL
02:05 - 44.180 WHATEVER
02:05 - 46.029 IT SAYS SO IF I COULD JUST
02:05 - 47.579 STAND CORRECT THAT I THINK WHAT
02:05 - 48.620 YOU'RE SAYING HE GIVES.
02:05 - 49.740 IT'S NOT THAT YOUR
02:05 - 51.809 ASSOCIATIONS NOT SURE IT'S THAT
02:05 - 53.499 SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS BELIEVE IT
02:05 - 55.089 WAS IN SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS
02:05 - 56.140 BELIEVE IT WASN'T.
02:05 - 01.489 I DON'T SAY THAT I JUST WANT
02:06 - 03.279 TO SAY IT'S A CLOSE CALL AND
02:06 - 05.069 IT'S A CLOSE CALL BECAUSE IT'S
02:06 - 06.799 NOT A BRIGHT LINE RULE NOT JUST
02:06 - 08.289 GOES TO MY POINT THAT WE DON'T
02:06 - 09.290 WROTE LEE.
02:06 - 12.089 AS A PROSECUTOR AND ADMINISTER
02:06 - 13.959 JUSTICE IF I 100% BELIEVE
02:06 - 15.239 THAT SOMETHING WAS OR WAS NOT A
02:06 - 16.799 VIOLATION I'M NOT GOING TO COME
02:06 - 18.299 IN HERE BEFORE THIS COURT LOSE
02:06 - 20.369 MY CREDIBILITY AND ARGUE THAT
02:06 - 21.949 WE APPRECIATE THAT A FINE JOB,
02:06 - 23.149 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU
02:06 - 24.320 FOR YEARS. WELL OUR KIDS.
02:06 - 28.659 THE 3RD CASE YOU'RE GOING TO
02:06 - 30.209 HEAR IS CALLED COMMONWEALTH OF
02:06 - 32.259 PENNSYLVANIA VERSUS DANTE
02:06 - 34.029 BROWN, THIS IS ANOTHER CRIMINAL
02:06 - 35.869 CASE AND IT EVOLVED INVOLVES
02:06 - 37.809 THE QUESTION OF WHEN EXPERT
02:06 - 39.829 TESTIMONY IS ADMISSIBLE AT
02:06 - 40.830 TRIAL.
02:06 - 44.109 BACK IN 2017 ON A DAY AT 2.30
02:06 - 45.160 IN THE MORNING.
02:06 - 47.149 AN OFF-DUTY PENNSYLVANIA STATE
02:06 - 49.590 POLICE OFFICER NAME RYAN LOWRY
02:06 - 51.750 WAS IN A MCDONALD'S DRIVE-THRU.
02:06 - 53.880 HE ADMITS THAT HE WAS DRINKING
02:06 - 56.129 AND HE EITHER BOMB OR ALMOST
02:06 - 57.569 BUMPED THE CAR THAT WAS SITTING
02:06 - 59.319 IN THE DRIVE-THRU LINE IN FRONT
02:06 - 01.869 OF HIM. THE DRIVER OF THAT CAR
02:07 - 03.429 IN FRONT. THE DEFENDANT
02:07 - 05.860 DANTE BROWN GOT OUT OF HIS CAR
02:07 - 07.509 MISTER LOWRY GOT OUT OF HIS
02:07 - 08.430 CAR. THE
02:07 - 11.389 TO ARGUE. MISTER LOWRY THE
02:07 - 12.969 OFF-DUTY OFFICER HAS HIS
02:07 - 14.160 SERVICE WEAPON ON HIM.
02:07 - 15.979 HE TAKES IT OUT OF HIS
02:07 - 17.349 WAISTBAND AND PUTS IT IN THE
02:07 - 19.170 BACK SEAT OF HIS CAR.
02:07 - 21.509 HE AND BROWN THEN TOSS
02:07 - 24.549 UL AND BROWN ULTIMATELY TAKES
02:07 - 26.369 THE GUN OUT OF THE TROOPER'S
02:07 - 29.079 CAR. PUTS IT IN HIS OWN CAR AND
02:07 - 30.090 DRIVES AWAY
02:07 - 32.399 WITH LOWRY FOLLOWING HIM AS HE
02:07 - 33.570 DRIVES AWAY.
02:07 - 35.859 THE POLICE STOP BOTH VEHICLES
02:07 - 37.879 AND ARREST BOTH MISTER BROWN
02:07 - 40.519 AND MISTER LOWERY LOWRY
02:07 - 42.410 HAS A BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT OF
02:07 - 44.889 0.18 WHICH IS WELL ABOVE THE
02:07 - 46.490 LEGAL LIMIT TO DRIVE.
02:07 - 48.709 MISTER BROWN IS CHARGED WITH
02:07 - 50.389 CARRYING A FIREARM WITHOUT A
02:07 - 52.529 LICENSE AND BEING A FELON IN
02:07 - 53.910 POSSESSION OF A FIREARM.
02:07 - 55.879 THE CASE PROCEEDS
02:07 - 58.449 TO TRIAL. AND IN HIS DEFENSE
02:07 - 00.319 MISTER BROWN WANTS TO OFFER AN
02:08 - 02.059 EXPERT WITNESS WHO WOULD
02:08 - 03.610 TESTIFY THAT.
02:08 - 06.219 AN ELEVATED BLOOD ALCOHOL
02:08 - 08.639 CONTENT LEADS TO POOR MEMORY
02:08 - 10.720 POOR JUDGMENT AND AGGRESSION.
02:08 - 12.999 THE TRIAL COURT PRECLUDES THE
02:08 - 14.859 EXPERT ON THE BASIS THAT THE
02:08 - 17.369 TESTIMONY WOULD INFRINGE ON THE
02:08 - 19.250 EXCLUSIVE RIGHT OF THE JURY
02:08 - 21.479 TO DETERMINE CREDIBILITY
02:08 - 22.839 INCLUDING MR. LOWRY'S
02:08 - 24.609 CREDIBILITY AND ACTIONS ON THE
02:08 - 26.589 NIGHT OF THE AXIS OF THE
02:08 - 28.699 INCIDENT. BROWN IS CONVICTED
02:08 - 30.530 THE SENTENCE TO 5 TO 10 YEARS
02:08 - 32.929 IN PRISON. THE SUPERIOR
02:08 - 34.519 COURT AFFIRMED THE CONVICTION
02:08 - 35.959 AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOW
02:08 - 37.020 ALLOWED AN APPEAL.
02:08 - 39.299 BROWN ARGUES THAT THE EXPERT
02:08 - 40.920 DID NOT ADDRESS CREDIBILITY,
02:08 - 42.659 WHAT WOULD SIMPLY HAVE
02:08 - 44.499 ADDRESSED THE RELIABILITY OF
02:08 - 47.009 LOWRY'S TESTIMONY AND ALLOWED
02:08 - 49.049 THE JURY TO FIND THAT LOWRY'S
02:08 - 51.130 ELEVATED BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT
02:08 - 52.030 COULD HAVE MADE HIM
02:08 - 54.099 MORE AGGRESSIVE. IN WHICH CASE
02:08 - 55.729 MISTER BROWN WAS JUSTIFIED IN
02:08 - 56.999 TAKING THE WEAPON OUT OF
02:08 - 59.290 LOWRY'S CAR AND DRIVING AWAY.
02:09 - 01.650 THE INNOCENCE PROJECT
02:09 - 03.449 HAS FILED AN AMICUS CURIAE
02:09 - 05.780 BRIEF ON BEHALF OF MISTER BROWN
02:09 - 07.450 AND ARGUING.
02:09 - 10.539 THE EXPERT TESTIMONY
02:09 - 11.819 SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADMITTED AND
02:09 - 13.429 DID NOT INFRINGE ON THE JURY'S
02:09 - 15.460 RIGHT TO FIND CREDIBILITY.
02:09 - 18.009 THE COMMONWEALTH HAS ARGUED
02:09 - 19.909 THAT THE EXPERT WAS PROPERLY
02:09 - 20.910 PRECLUDED
02:09 - 23.199 BECAUSE IT THE EXPERT WOULD
02:09 - 24.769 HAVE IMPAIRED THE JURY'S
02:09 - 26.750 ABILITY TO FIND CREDIBILITY.
02:09 - 29.359 AND THE EFFECTS OF INTOXICATION
02:09 - 31.160 ARE WELL KNOWN AND THEREFORE.
02:09 - 33.559 EXPERT TESTIMONY IS IMPROPER
02:09 - 34.920 FOR THAT REASON AS WELL.
02:09 - 36.619 NOW LET'S GO TO THE COURTROOM
02:09 - 37.700 TO HEAR THE ARGUMENT.
02:09 - 40.459 WHEN GOOD MORNING
02:09 - 42.219 FROM JUSTICES CALL MORGAN FROM
02:09 - 43.609 THE DEFENDER ASSOCIATION AND
02:09 - 46.239 MET ME FOR THE BENEFIT
02:09 - 47.240 OF THE.
02:09 - 48.869 PROBABLY GOOD ALSO TO MAKE
02:09 - 49.860 SURE THAT THE PORT
02:09 - 52.939 IN YOU. AND COUSIN COUNCIL ARE
02:09 - 55.260 AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT
02:09 - 57.190 ELIMINATION WE WANT TO DECIDE
02:09 - 59.599 THE CASE INVOLVES THE PROPRIETY
02:09 - 01.039 OF THE EVIDENT RE RELATED
02:10 - 02.659 PRECLUDING A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT
02:10 - 04.439 FOR PRESENTING. EXPERT
02:10 - 06.249 TESTIMONY REGARDING THE BLOOD
02:10 - 07.479 ALCOHOL CONTENT OF THE
02:10 - 08.030 COMMONWEALTH'S
02:10 - 10.109 PRINCIPAL WITNESS AND THE
02:10 - 11.919 EFFECT ON THE WITNESS'S MEMORY
02:10 - 13.979 AND PERCEPTION AND THE LOWER
02:10 - 15.309 COURT CONCLUDED THAT THE
02:10 - 17.080 EXPERT'S TESTIMONY BECAUSE
02:10 - 19.250 INADMISSIBLE ASSESSMENT.
02:10 - 19.630 THE
02:10 - 21.819 WITNESSES CREDIBILITY. A NEW
02:10 - 23.299 CHALLENGE THAT RULE AND WANT TO
02:10 - 26.019 PUT THE REPORT AND
02:10 - 27.330 TESTIMONY IN THAT'S
02:10 - 29.129 THE RIGHT AHEAD THIS MORNING.
02:10 - 30.409 THANK YOU NOTE WHAT FIRST OF
02:10 - 31.579 ALL LET ME GET TO THE ELEPHANT
02:10 - 33.310 IN THE ROOM. WHAT THE
02:10 - 36.229 WANTED TO TESTIFY TO
02:10 - 39.530 WAS EXTRAPOLATED. EVIDENCE
02:10 - 42.679 BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT IN
02:10 - 45.109 THIS CASE. I DON'T WANT TO GO
02:10 - 46.619 DEEPLY INTO THE FACTS BUT IT
02:10 - 48.579 WAS A STATE TROOPER. WHERE
02:10 - 50.859 THERE WAS A AN ALTERCATION AT A
02:10 - 52.809 FAST FOOD LINE. A
02:10 - 55.099 FENDER BENDER AND IN THE COURSE
02:10 - 57.619 OF THAT. THE STATE TROOPER WHO
02:10 - 00.379 WAS ON. WELL LET ME STEP BACK
02:11 - 01.949 HE NOT
02:11 - 03.709 IN UNIFORM, MIKE LINE MISTER
02:11 - 04.989 BROWN TO KNOW HE WAS A STATE
02:11 - 05.910 TROOPER, THOUGH WE KEEP
02:11 - 07.749 REFERENCING HIM IN THIS TITLE A
02:11 - 09.219 STATE TROOPER JUST ABOUNDING
02:11 - 10.459 KNOW THAT BUT HE KNEW HE
02:11 - 13.669 WAS ARMED. THIS THE STATE
02:11 - 15.120 TROOPER WAS EXTREMELY DRUNK.
02:11 - 17.139 AND WE'VE GOT INTO AN
02:11 - 18.600 ALTERCATION AND THEN
02:11 - 20.739 MY CLIENT WITH NOT BEING
02:11 - 22.419 PHYSICAL A VIOLENT OR
02:11 - 25.199 AGGRESSIVE. BUT THE STATE
02:11 - 28.449 TROOPER. THEN PUT HIS GUN IN
02:11 - 30.599 THE END HIS CAR AND CAME BACK
02:11 - 31.659 AND SAID YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT
02:11 - 32.790 TO FIGHT LET'S FIGHT.
02:11 - 36.159 MY CLIENT INSTEAD OF WITH
02:11 - 37.359 FIGHTING INSTEAD OF DOING
02:11 - 39.369 ANYTHING AGGRESSIVE WHEN AROUND
02:11 - 41.389 HIM. WE TOOK THE GUN FROM THE
02:11 - 43.519 CAR THAT WAS IN RIGHT AND WITH
02:11 - 44.650 THE STATE TROOPER WAS
02:11 - 47.689 TO EXTRICATE THAT GUN FROM THAT
02:11 - 49.039 SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS A
02:11 - 50.360 DANGEROUS SITUATION.
02:11 - 53.719 YOU ARE THE FEAR IS IS STILL
02:11 - 54.720 THE GOT.
02:11 - 56.730 IF YOU THINK YOU WANT
02:11 - 58.279 TO STEAL THE GUN THEN FINE BUT
02:11 - 00.009 WHEN WHEN THE POLICE FINALLY HE
02:12 - 00.980 GOT IN THE CAR THAT WAS A
02:12 - 01.980 CAR CHASE.
02:12 - 03.489 THE STATE TROOPERS DRUNK AS
02:12 - 06.139 HE WAS STARTED CHASING HIM DOWN
02:12 - 07.699 THE QUESTION HERE IN THE U.S.
02:12 - 09.119 AND TO THE CHIEF JUSTICE IS A
02:12 - 11.459 GOOD INDICATION. HE SAID WHEN
02:12 - 12.969 WHEN THE POLICE CAME AND THEY
02:12 - 14.099 FINALLY CAUGHT IT
02:12 - 15.869 STOPPED EVERYBODY. HE GAVE THE
02:12 - 16.860 GUN TO THE TO THE
02:12 - 18.229 POLICE OR DOES IT FEEL WHEN
02:12 - 19.130 THEY HOST THE MIDST OF
02:12 - 20.589 MOURNING, LET ME FOLLOW UP FOR
02:12 - 22.509 COULD COULD JUST LET THEM KNOW
02:12 - 24.689 THAT MR. JUSTICE PROPERTY IN IN
02:12 - 27.509 JUST THIS MONDAY. WHAT STRUCK
02:12 - 30.420 ME IMMEDIATELY IS A DISCONNECT
02:12 - 31.900 BETWEEN THE CRIME.
02:12 - 37.009 AND THE EVIDENCE YOU WANT TO
02:12 - 40.809 PUT IT. THE CRIME IS POSSESSION
02:12 - 42.520 OF THE FIREARM THAT'S CORRECT.
02:12 - 44.620 YOU COULD
02:12 - 45.919 ARGUE TO THE JURY AND THE
02:12 - 48.109 JUDGES THE TRIAL FINDER TRAFFIC
02:12 - 50.159 IT IS THE FACT FINDER WE CAN
02:12 - 52.959 GET INTO THE MOTIVATIONS OF
02:12 - 54.440 YOUR CLIENT TO THE LIGHT
02:12 - 57.369 WHO CARES HOW DROUGHT THE STATE
02:12 - 59.289 POLICE OFFICER IS SEEMS TO ME
02:12 - 01.429 COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE
02:13 - 03.019 CHARGE AGAINST YOUR CLIENT
02:13 - 05.379 WHICH IS THAT THE STOLE THE
02:13 - 08.249 GUN. AND GOT CAUGHT UP
02:13 - 10.370 WITH IT. SO IT SEEMS TO BEGIN
02:13 - 12.279 COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE
02:13 - 16.029 CASE INADMISSIBLE EVEN THE APP
02:13 - 18.029 ALL LEVEL OF THE VICTIM 2, 2,
02:13 - 19.619 THINGS YOUR HONOR WHEN YOU SAY
02:13 - 21.439 WHO CARES WELL FIRST OF ALL IT
02:13 - 22.579 GOES TO THE FUNDAMENTAL
02:13 - 24.499 FAIRNESS OF MY CLIENTS DID HE
02:13 - 26.349 GET A FAIR TRIAL. AND HE DIDN'T
02:13 - 27.499 GET A FAIR TRIAL BECAUSE THERE
02:13 - 29.349 WAS NOT EVIDENCE OF
02:13 - 31.669 HOW INTOXICATED THE POLICE
02:13 - 33.599 OFFICER WAS THE COMMONWEALTH
02:13 - 34.170 SAYS
02:13 - 40.039 WELL YEAH WE MISTER MORGAN MY
02:13 - 41.439 QUESTION MUST NOT BE CLEAR TO
02:13 - 44.009 YOU. ASSUME ON THAT EVENING.
02:13 - 45.010 I WAS DROPPED.
02:13 - 47.639 PERTAIN TO THIS TRIAL
02:13 - 49.249 OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT I'M
02:13 - 51.419 SUGGESTING TO YOU IS THE HEAVY
02:13 - 52.939 ALCOHOL LEVEL OF THE STATE
02:13 - 54.899 POLICE OFFICER IS COMPLETELY
02:13 - 56.419 IRRELEVANT AS TO WHETHER YOUR
02:13 - 57.720 CLIENT TOOK THE GUN OR NOT
02:13 - 59.189 THAT'S WELL. IT IS RELEVANT
02:13 - 01.189 JUDGE. THE COST HAD THE
02:14 - 02.459 TESTIMONY COMING FROM THE
02:14 - 04.850 EXPERT HE WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED
02:14 - 06.629 THAT PEOPLE HAVE OF A CERTAIN
02:14 - 08.759 BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL CAN BE
02:14 - 10.639 HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE AND HAVE
02:14 - 12.739 A A LOSS OF JUDGMENT, A LOSS OF
02:14 - 14.410 MEMORY WAS A PERCEPTION.
02:14 - 17.479 AND DEPENDING ON HIS TESTIMONY
02:14 - 19.749 ABOUT THAT THE JUDGE THE
02:14 - 20.750 TRIAL JUDGE
02:14 - 23.339 MAY HAVE WELL TO THEIR RULING
02:14 - 24.220 ON WHETHER OR NOT A
02:14 - 25.959 JUSTIFICATION DEFENSE SHOULD
02:14 - 27.569 HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT WASN'T THE
02:14 - 28.700 CAUSE OF THE GUN.
02:14 - 32.170 IN LAYING ON IN THE BACK SEAT.
02:14 - 32.930 YES,
02:14 - 35.149 WHAT WITHIN YOU KNOW WITH
02:14 - 36.459 COMPLETE THE STATE TROOPER WAS
02:14 - 37.460 RIGHT
02:14 - 40.699 CASE, LINES HAVE BEEN CHARGED
02:14 - 42.069 WITH POSSESSION OF A GUN AND
02:14 - 43.749 WAS IN LIKE A CAR AND THEY WERE
02:14 - 45.709 OUTSIDE OF THE CAR STRUCK THE
02:14 - 47.329 POSSESSION, DIDN'T THE STATE
02:14 - 49.699 TROOPER GET OUT OF THE CAR AND
02:14 - 50.490 PUT THE GUN IN THE
02:14 - 51.530 BACK SEAT.
02:14 - 57.389 I OUT OF CAR. IT WAS ALWAYS
02:14 - 59.219 IN THE BACK SEAT. THEN HE CAME
02:14 - 00.569 TO CONFRONT ONE POINT BUT IT
02:15 - 01.180 WAS ALWAYS IN THE
02:15 - 03.979 BACK SEAT. THE ARGUMENT IS MY
02:15 - 06.199 CLIENT THAT HOW BECAUSE HOW
02:15 - 07.779 DRUNK THIS GUY WAS AND WHAT HE
02:15 - 09.219 WAS GOING TO DO WHETHER OR NOT
02:15 - 10.200 HE WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO THE
02:15 - 11.969 CAR AND USED AND GET THE GUN TO
02:15 - 14.509 USE IT. THE 3RD PARTY THAT WAS
02:15 - 16.589 OUT THERE TESTIFIED THAT BEFORE
02:15 - 17.979 THE POLICE TROOPER PUT THE GUN
02:15 - 19.789 IN THE CAR. HE WAS IN THIS
02:15 - 21.170 ISN'T THE BRACKET FIDGETING
02:15 - 22.770 FIDGETING WITH THE GUN.
02:15 - 24.879 NOW CLEARLY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
02:15 - 26.139 I DON'T KNOW, BUT DOES THAT
02:15 - 27.140 MEAN THAT HE WAS
02:15 - 29.349 CONTEMPLATING WHETHER I NEED TO
02:15 - 30.819 USE THIS GUN ON THAT WHAT THEY
02:15 - 31.700 NEED TO KEEP IT ON
02:15 - 33.669 MY POSSESSION TO USE AGAINST
02:15 - 36.219 THIS GUY DIDN'T GO COUNCIL IS
02:15 - 38.029 PLANNING FOR NO I I WON'T DO
02:15 - 40.349 THAT WHAT'S THAT WE'VE GOT IT
02:15 - 43.339 DOES NOT ASSIST YOUR CASE KNOW
02:15 - 45.749 YOUR CLIENT FOR YOU TO OVERRIDE
02:15 - 47.120 THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED
02:15 - 48.300 THE REASON WE'RE ASKING
02:15 - 49.489 QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO
02:15 - 50.849 GO BACK BOTH THE CASE AND WRITE
02:15 - 51.350 THE OPINION.
02:15 - 53.419 SO WHEN SOMEBODY ASKED A
02:15 - 54.549 QUESTION I WOULD GREATLY
02:15 - 55.979 APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D STOP
02:15 - 56.780 LISTEN AND ANSWER
02:15 - 58.019 THE QUESTION AND WITH THAT
02:15 - 59.719 JUSTICE DAUGHERTY HAS THE FLOOR
02:15 - 00.979 WHEN HE'S DONE JUST THIS MONDAY
02:16 - 02.879 AS BEFORE. I APOLOGIZE, JUDGE I
02:16 - 04.799 THOUGHT I WAS WHAT I DID IN TO
02:16 - 06.849 THE QUESTION. WE'RE SEEING THE
02:16 - 08.669 ISSUE BEFORE THIS COURT IS
02:16 - 09.930 WHETHER THE INTRODUCTION
02:16 - 12.139 WITH A PRICK LUCIAN OF YOUR
02:16 - 13.360 EXPERT TESTIMONY.
02:16 - 16.090 IMPERMISSIBLY STEPPED ON THE
02:16 - 18.399 CREDIBILITY DETERMINATION FOR
02:16 - 20.119 LIKE TO THE JURY. I HAVE A
02:16 - 22.290 QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW IN FACT.
02:16 - 24.939 DOES THIS STATEMENT WHICH IS
02:16 - 26.169 YOUR INTRODUCTION ALARMS
02:16 - 27.219 BECAUSE ALREADY MEDICAL
02:16 - 29.380 DOCTORS. EXPERT TESTIMONY,
02:16 - 31.529 QUOTE UNQUOTE THIS IS FAR MORE
02:16 - 33.689 ALCOHOL. THE TROOPER LOWRY
02:16 - 35.209 ADMITTED AT THE TIME OF HIS
02:16 - 36.899 ACCIDENT. WE'RE AT THE TIME OF
02:16 - 39.269 THE INVESTIGATION. WE THEN
02:16 - 40.379 GOVETT THAT THE STATEMENT THEN
02:16 - 40.800 GOES ON
02:16 - 43.859 TROOPER LOWRY'S PERCEPTION
02:16 - 46.350 JUDGMENT MEMORY AND INHIBITIONS
02:16 - 47.830 WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE
02:16 - 50.709 MARKEDLY AFFECTED BY HIS LEVEL
02:16 - 52.429 OF INTOXICATION HIS
02:16 - 53.240 RECOLLECTION OF
02:16 - 55.959 THE INCIDENT MUST BE CONSIDERED
02:16 - 58.060 UNRELIABLE AND DISTORTED
02:16 - 59.659 BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS OF
02:16 - 01.519 ALCOHOL WHEN HIS COGNITIVE
02:17 - 03.229 ABILITY. THEY CANNOT BE
02:17 - 05.539 CONSIDERED RELIABLE, ESPECIALLY
02:17 - 07.459 IN VIEW OF THE STATEMENTS ABOUT
02:17 - 08.890 HIS ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION.
02:17 - 10.659 SHARE WITH ME HOW THAT'S NOT A
02:17 - 12.589 CREDIBILITY CALL, NOT WHETHER
02:17 - 13.719 THEY FIDGETED OR ANY OF THE
02:17 - 15.749 FACTS. THE ISSUE HERE IS IF
02:17 - 18.009 THERE'S A CREDIBILITY CALL DID
02:17 - 19.919 YOU USE ARE KEPT FROM THE JURY
02:17 - 21.139 SUCH THAT THIS
02:17 - 22.329 MOTION ELIMINATE SHOULD HAVE
02:17 - 24.479 BEEN GREAT THAT SO I'M ASKING
02:17 - 26.309 YOU POINT BLANK IF YOUR
02:17 - 28.629 EXPERTS STATEMENT, NOT WHETHER
02:17 - 29.580 HE WANTED TO DO AN
02:17 - 31.309 EXTRAPOLATION ARGUMENT. BUT
02:17 - 32.830 WHAT WAS PROPER TO THE COURT
02:17 - 34.899 DID THAT STEP IN THE PROVINCE
02:17 - 36.379 OF THE JURY HAS A CREDIBILITY
02:17 - 37.799 CALL AS TO WHETHER THE
02:17 - 39.830 DETECTIVE OR THE STATE TROOPER
02:17 - 42.620 WAS BELIEVABLE OR NOT I CONCEDE
02:17 - 44.579 WITH THAT EVIDENCE SHOULD NOT
02:17 - 46.199 COME IN BECAUSE IT'S AN
02:17 - 47.660 INDIVIDUAL I STATEMENT
02:17 - 49.159 ABOUT THAT STATE TROOPERS
02:17 - 50.779 CREDIBILITY NEXT TO SHOW THAT
02:17 - 51.799 WE'RE HERE FOR AND OR
02:17 - 52.800 RELIABILITY.
02:17 - 56.569 I I FOR IT AND I I STRESSED
02:17 - 57.230 IN MY BRIEF
02:17 - 58.719 THAT RELIABILITY AND
02:17 - 59.560 CREDIBILITY
02:17 - 01.349 WAS DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S THE
02:18 - 03.439 POSITION I TOOK THERE FOR THE
02:18 - 05.329 PROHIBITION ABOUT EXPERT NOT
02:18 - 06.240 NOT GOING TOWARD THE
02:18 - 07.259 CREDIBILITY OF A WITNESS
02:18 - 08.240 DOESN'T APPLY WHEN YOU'RE
02:18 - 08.560 TALKING
02:18 - 10.319 ABOUT RELIABILITY WHAT IF YOUR
02:18 - 11.749 HONOR'S BELIEVE THAT THE
02:18 - 13.509 RELIABILITY AND CREDIBILITY OF
02:18 - 15.710 THE SAME THING THEN I CONCEDE
02:18 - 17.940 THAT HE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING
02:18 - 20.129 INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THAT STATE
02:18 - 22.049 TROOPER. THAT DOES NOT END THIS
02:18 - 23.429 APPEAL AND THAT DOESN'T END THE
02:18 - 25.199 ISSUE HERE BECAUSE THEN THE PUT
02:18 - 26.300 MY POSITION IS
02:18 - 29.469 HE SHOULD. HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED
02:18 - 30.060 TO TOUCH
02:18 - 32.429 TESTIFIED GENERALLY ABOUT THE
02:18 - 34.969 EFFECTS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A
02:18 - 37.249 POINT TO 4 BLOOD ALCOHOL
02:18 - 37.770 CONTENT
02:18 - 40.579 COULD BE AND THE DIFFERENT
02:18 - 41.909 CHARACTERISTICS AND LET ME
02:18 - 42.910 EXPLORE THAT.
02:18 - 45.439 INDIA WHY IT'S ALMOST LIKE A
02:18 - 46.730 STRICT LIABILITY CRIME.
02:18 - 48.260 IF YOU BLOW HIGHER THAN THE
02:18 - 51.579 0.8 YOU'RE GUILTY. TELL ME HOW
02:18 - 52.799 IT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF
02:18 - 54.479 SCIENCE CORE EXPERIENCE WHICH
02:18 - 55.749 ARE THE 3 KEY WORDS FOR AN
02:18 - 56.750 EXPERT TESTIMONY.
02:18 - 58.469 THAT SOMEONE BLOWING POSSIBLY
02:18 - 59.680 A 2.4
02:18 - 02.769 IS NOT OVER POINT 88 SUCH THAT
02:19 - 04.589 HE'S GUILTY ISN'T THAT A
02:19 - 05.859 REASONABLE COMMON
02:19 - 06.860 UNDERSTANDING.
02:19 - 08.909 WELL IT'S IT'S NOT A
02:19 - 11.079 COMMON UNDERSTANDING AND I
02:19 - 12.979 POINTED OUT THIS IS THIS GREAT
02:19 - 14.109 CASE, I POINT OUT FROM
02:19 - 15.379 ILLINOIS. WELL
02:19 - 17.549 EXPERT WITH BECAUSE CALLED TO
02:19 - 19.259 TESTIFY ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF
02:19 - 21.170 ALCOHOL AND BLACKOUT.
02:19 - 23.070 AND IN TERMS OF BLACK OUT
02:19 - 24.739 HE'S THE THE EXPERT WITNESS
02:19 - 26.769 SAID THAT YOU COULD HAVE A
02:19 - 28.289 BLACKOUT IT'S LIKE A SHOTGUN
02:19 - 30.839 APPROACH TO THE TO THE MINE AND
02:19 - 34.129 THAT ONE COULD BE WAKING AND
02:19 - 36.079 FUNCTIONING IN HIS JOB AND
02:19 - 38.299 STILL HAVE MEMORY LOSS THAT AT
02:19 - 38.370 A
02:19 - 40.569 LATER DATE, HE'LL FILL IN THE
02:19 - 41.490 BLANKS OF THAT
02:19 - 43.199 MEMORY WHAT SOUNDS LIKE MY
02:19 - 44.709 ANSWER TO GET TO THE QUESTION
02:19 - 46.209 JUDGE IF I COULD FINISH SO I
02:19 - 47.100 DON'T GET ACCUSED OF NOT
02:19 - 49.520 ANSWERING THE QUESTION IS THAT.
02:19 - 52.139 A PERSON DOESN'T KNOW THAT WHAT
02:19 - 53.209 A LAY PERSON KNOWS ABOUT
02:19 - 55.229 BLACKOUTS GENERALLY I THINK IT
02:19 - 56.859 WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT FIRST OF
02:19 - 57.879 ALL COUNCIL, THERE'S NO
02:19 - 58.999 EVIDENCE OF BLACK OUT THE ISSUE
02:19 - 00.209 BEFORE THIS COURT IS NOT OUT
02:20 - 01.100 THERE ON THE WAY IT'S
02:20 - 03.339 PENNSYLVANIA LAW AND THE LAW IS
02:20 - 03.920 IF YOUR POINT
02:20 - 06.549 '08 YOU'RE GUILTY AND THE
02:20 - 08.249 QUESTION THAT YOU JUST POSED IS
02:20 - 09.579 THAT THIS WOULD BE A GENERAL
02:20 - 11.809 INTOXICATION. GENERAL
02:20 - 13.699 TOXIC ATION IF THE
02:20 - 15.749 IF ANYONE'S BLOOD LEVEL EXCEEDS
02:20 - 17.459 POINT '08 THE GENERAL
02:20 - 19.289 PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THAT MEANS
02:20 - 21.279 HE'S GUILTY SUCH THAT NO EXPERT
02:20 - 23.039 TESTIMONY IS NEEDED UNLESS YOU
02:20 - 24.190 REFUTE THAT.
02:20 - 26.499 I AM REFUTING I'M SAYING I'M
02:20 - 30.919 SAYING THAT A A LAY PERSON DOES
02:20 - 32.570 NOT KNOW THE INTRICACIES
02:20 - 35.420 OF CERTAIN BLOOD ALCOHOL TYPES,
02:20 - 37.879 THE LEGISLATURE HAS HAS
02:20 - 38.990 BROKEN DOWN.
02:20 - 41.189 DIFFERENT DEGREES OF
02:20 - 43.009 INTOXICATION WITH THEY START A
02:20 - 44.539 POINT AWAY THAT'S ONE LEVEL
02:20 - 44.960 THEN IT'S A
02:20 - 47.219 MID LEVEL THEN THE 3RD LEVEL OF
02:20 - 48.470 THE MOST EGREGIOUS LEVEL WAS
02:20 - 50.080 0.16 IN HIGHER.
02:20 - 52.399 WHY DID THEY DO THAT BECAUSE
02:20 - 54.049 THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE
02:20 - 55.239 IN THOSE PUT OUT CALLS A
02:20 - 57.339 DIFFERENT SOME CULPABILITY A
02:20 - 57.900 DIFFERENCE
02:20 - 00.729 IN DANGEROUSNESS. I'M SAYING
02:21 - 02.559 THAT THE LAY PERSON THE GENERAL
02:21 - 03.989 LAY PERSON DOESN'T KNOW THE
02:21 - 06.430 DISTINCTIONS OF POINT '08 IS
02:21 - 09.790 1.1 FIXES OR 0.24 IS.
02:21 - 11.170 ADAM.
02:21 - 14.829 EXPERT WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED AS
02:21 - 16.459 TO THOSE DIFFERENCES AND WHAT
02:21 - 18.859 THAT MEANS AND AND AND WOULD
02:21 - 20.620 HAVE TESTIFIED THAT A PERSON
02:21 - 22.959 WITH THAT BLOOD ALCOHOL WOULD
02:21 - 26.169 HAVE HAD A LOSS
02:21 - 29.339 OF MEMORY, A LACK
02:21 - 30.340 OF JUDGMENT.
02:21 - 33.779 AGGRESSIVENESS AND I THINK
02:21 - 35.939 GOING BACK TO A JUSTICE BARRETT
02:21 - 38.810 IS HOUSE IS EVEN RELEVANT.
02:21 - 40.610 WELL IT'S RELEVANT IN THAT
02:21 - 42.529 HAD ALL THIS EVIDENCE COME IN
02:21 - 43.859 AND THE BREATH OF THAT EVIDENCE
02:21 - 44.350 WEEKS WE
02:21 - 46.299 DON'T KNOW. I CITED IN
02:21 - 48.179 FOOTNOTES OF OF PEER REVIEW
02:21 - 50.279 STUDIES OF WHAT THE EXPERT
02:21 - 51.970 WOULD HAVE RELIED ON.
02:21 - 55.029 SO WE HAD HAD A WEALTH OF HIS
02:21 - 57.449 KNOWLEDGE COME THIN. THE TRIAL
02:21 - 59.070 COURT MINDSET YOU KNOW WHAT
02:21 - 00.439 I THINK THE JUSTIFICATION
02:22 - 01.789 DEFENSE SHOULD SHOULD BE
02:22 - 03.869 ALLOWED HERE BECAUSE A PERSON
02:22 - 05.389 THAT DRUG WHO KNOWS IF THEY GO
02:22 - 07.989 INTO JUST THAT I GO BACK TO
02:22 - 08.990 CALL.
02:22 - 14.089 AND AND SINCE A JUSTIFICATION
02:22 - 15.640 DEFENSE IS PART OF THE CASE.
02:22 - 19.529 THEN IT'S RELEVANT AS TO THAT
02:22 - 20.530 AND IT WOULD MAKE
02:22 - 23.099 A DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTCOME OF
02:22 - 23.810 THE CASE.
02:22 - 26.879 WE ARE IF THERE'S
02:22 - 29.599 JUSTIFICATION THEN HE'S NOT
02:22 - 31.299 GUILTY OF TAKING THE THE THE
02:22 - 31.690 GUN.
02:22 - 34.189 HE HAS THESE JUSTIFIED IN DOING
02:22 - 35.779 THAT AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOUR
02:22 - 37.859 EYE YOU EVEN ANSWER THE
02:22 - 39.419 QUESTION DOES, BUT DID NOT HAVE
02:22 - 41.160 MY QUESTION'S BEEN RESOLVED.
02:22 - 46.309 I SEE NO QUESTIONS 30 SECONDS
02:22 - 46.610 AND
02:22 - 49.129 CONCLUDE PLEASE AND I AND WE
02:22 - 50.929 UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A
02:22 - 51.930 THEORETICAL.
02:22 - 54.959 DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT
02:22 - 56.379 A JUSTIFICATION TO FUND SHOULD
02:22 - 58.499 HAVE BEEN GIVEN. WAS THE JURY
02:22 - 00.070 CAME BACK WITH 2 QUESTIONS.
02:23 - 01.719 THEY CAME BACK WITH KIND
02:23 - 02.510 SELF-DEFENSE
02:23 - 04.719 BE UNLAWFUL AND ONE OF THE
02:23 - 06.339 OTHER QUESTIONS WAS WHAT IT IN
02:23 - 07.800 TERMS OF THE THEFT OF THE GUN.
02:23 - 09.659 WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF
02:23 - 12.289 LAWFUL TAKING. SO CLEARLY THEY
02:23 - 12.380 WERE
02:23 - 15.229 STRUGGLING WITH MY CLIENTS, YOU
02:23 - 16.399 KNOW WHETHER HE WAS DOING
02:23 - 17.629 LAWFUL ACTION WHETHER HE
02:23 - 19.479 WAS JUSTIFIED AND A
02:23 - 22.499 JUSTIFICATION, INSTRUCTION
02:23 - 23.500 WOULD HAVE HELPED THEM.
02:23 - 27.309 I IS THAT JUST I JUST WANT TO
02:23 - 29.569 CLARIFY THIS. I
02:23 - 31.619 HAD UNDERSTOOD AS I READ THE
02:23 - 32.620 BOOK.
02:23 - 34.849 THAT YOUR EXPERT TESTIMONY WAS
02:23 - 35.500 REALLY GOING
02:23 - 38.299 TO GO TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE
02:23 - 39.909 WITNESS AS A WITNESS WAS ON THE
02:23 - 41.529 STAND WHEN THE CREDIBILITY OF
02:23 - 42.639 THE TROOPER, THE TROOPERS
02:23 - 45.009 TESTIMONY AT TRIAL. YOU'RE NOT
02:23 - 46.499 SAYING THAT THE REASON WHY
02:23 - 48.150 YOU'RE THE EXPERT TESTIMONY.
02:23 - 51.429 WAS NOT TO RESPOND TO THE
02:23 - 53.479 TROOPERS TESTIMONY AT TRIAL BUT
02:23 - 54.480 TO SUPPORT
02:23 - 56.849 AN AFFIRMATIVE JUSTIFICATION,
02:23 - 59.810 DEFENSE YES. OKAY, I
02:23 - 00.900 I DIDN'T HAVE
02:24 - 05.639 AND AND MORE SO. IT WASN'T TO
02:24 - 08.279 ATTACK HIM. INDIVIDUALLY AND
02:24 - 10.579 CALL HIM A LIE OVER ATTACK IS
02:24 - 12.589 CREDIBILITY. IT'S IN ORDER
02:24 - 14.369 TO IT. IT'S WHEN
02:24 - 16.789 GIVING THE INVOCATION THAT SO
02:24 - 18.369 THE WOOD WITH JUST A STOCKY
02:24 - 19.370 READ ABOUT.
02:24 - 21.569 MEMORY IMPAIRMENT AND THINGS
02:24 - 23.859 LIKE THAT THAT WOULD SEEM TO GO
02:24 - 25.839 TO HIS TESTIMONY AT TRIAL IT
02:24 - 27.769 WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
02:24 - 29.759 HIS CONDUCT THAT WOULD CAUSE
02:24 - 32.670 YOUR CLIENT TO BE IN FEAR OF OF
02:24 - 35.559 OF AN INTOXICATED PERSON WHO
02:24 - 36.560 HAD THE.
02:24 - 39.489 THE CAPACITY TO REALIZE OH MY
02:24 - 40.450 GOSH YOU NEED TO TAKE MY GUN
02:24 - 41.699 OFF THE THROAT IN THE CAR ABOUT
02:24 - 43.669 TO GET INTO A FIGHT. BUT WHAT
02:24 - 45.499 MADE THEM MAYBE LOSING THE
02:24 - 46.829 FIGHT GO BACK AND GET THAT GET
02:24 - 47.370 THE GUN.
02:24 - 48.859 THAT'S THE PROBLEM OF HAVING
02:24 - 50.449 WITH THE EXPERT TESTIMONY YOU
02:24 - 51.770 WANTED TO GIVE
02:24 - 53.599 AND HOW THAT RELATES TO
02:24 - 55.159 ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT THEN
02:24 - 56.599 WHAT THE WITNESSES TESTIFYING
02:24 - 59.359 BACK THAT ONLY IF THAT TEST IF
02:24 - 00.669 THE EXPERT'S TESTIMONY IS
02:25 - 02.369 LIMITED TO MEMORY AND
02:25 - 04.379 PERCEPTION, BUT HE ALSO WANTED
02:25 - 05.090 TO GET INTO.
02:25 - 06.619 AGGRESSIVENESS AND LACK OF
02:25 - 09.379 JUDGMENT. SO
02:25 - 11.460 AND THOSE DEAL WITH WHAT'S
02:25 - 13.809 CONFIDENT THAT YOU MADE ALL
02:25 - 15.529 THOSE DISTINCTIONS CLEAR ON THE
02:25 - 16.989 RECORD IN THIS CASE FOR THAT
02:25 - 18.559 ROB. I THINK THAT WAS IN THE
02:25 - 20.400 REPORT OF THE OF OF THE DOCTOR.
02:25 - 24.499 AND AGAIN. WHAT HIS HIS WAS NOT
02:25 - 26.350 TO INDIVIDUALLY ATTACKED.
02:25 - 26.680 THE
02:25 - 28.299 POLICE OFFICER, BUT JUST TO
02:25 - 29.739 GIVE AN ASSESSMENT OF
02:25 - 30.740 CREDIBILITY
02:25 - 33.389 JUST GENERALIZE THE FACT IS
02:25 - 35.279 THAT A PERSON THAT POINT TO 4
02:25 - 39.459 WOULD BE ALLOWED TO. THAT POINT
02:25 - 41.149 TO 4 HAD. JUST
02:25 - 43.429 GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS AND
02:25 - 45.249 THEN THE JURY ON THEIR OWN NOT
02:25 - 46.379 TELLING THEM WHAT IT WAS BUT
02:25 - 48.360 THEY COULD SEE WHETHER OR NOT
02:25 - 50.449 NOW WE FIT INTO THAT THOSE
02:25 - 51.850 GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS.
02:25 - 53.879 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISTER
02:25 - 55.840 MORGAN. THANK YOU MISTER GREEN.
02:26 - 05.900 GOOD MORNING, YOU'RE NOT
02:26 - 07.409 HONORS MAY PLEASE THE COURT AND
02:26 - 08.729 REAR ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THE
02:26 - 09.730 COMMONWEALTH.
02:26 - 12.060 WE HAVE
02:26 - 12.910 COLLEGE I.
02:26 - 14.639 AND THAT'S WHAT I JUST READ
02:26 - 17.009 MY OWN HANDWRITING. NO PROBLEM,
02:26 - 18.010 THE HONOR.
02:26 - 19.729 I WANT TO
02:26 - 22.399 SKIP TOO. COUNCILS CLAIM THAT
02:26 - 23.489 THIS EXPERT WAS JUST GOING TO
02:26 - 24.939 SPEAK ABOUT GENERAL AZIZ
02:26 - 26.299 GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT ANY
02:26 - 29.249 PERSON WITH BLOOD ALCOHOL
02:26 - 31.249 CONTENT AS JUSTICE DAUGHERTY
02:26 - 32.979 POINTED OUT THE EXPERT OPINIONS
02:26 - 34.860 PROFFERED IN THE EXPERTS REPORT
02:26 - 36.680 ALL WENT TO CREDIBILITY.
02:26 - 41.349 RELIABILITY WHY WHY WAS TOTAL
02:26 - 41.880 PRECLUDE
02:26 - 43.200 JEN APPROPRIATE.
02:26 - 45.509 WHY IF FEDERAL LIABILITY
02:26 - 46.200 STATEMENT WAS
02:26 - 48.469 TAKEN OUT WOULDN'T THIS HAVE
02:26 - 50.109 BEEN PROPER EVIDENCE ON IN
02:26 - 52.350 TALKS OCCASION IN RELATION BACK
02:26 - 54.370 ISN'T THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE
02:26 - 56.429 EXCEPTED AROUND THE COUNTRY
02:26 - 57.090 REGULARLY.
02:26 - 58.859 WHAT I'M SAYING YOUR HONOR IS
02:26 - 01.489 A A EXPERT OPINION MAKING
02:27 - 03.279 GENERALIZATIONS WASN'T OFFERED
02:27 - 03.530 IN THAT
02:27 - 05.809 EXPERT REPORT WHEN THAT IT WAS
02:27 - 07.450 PRECLUDED BY THE TRIAL COURT
02:27 - 08.849 DEFENDANT AND SAY HOLD ON WHAT
02:27 - 10.640 IF WE JUST GOT AN EXPERT TO SAY
02:27 - 12.609 THAT ANY PERSON TO STOP
02:27 - 14.350 DRINKING, YOU KNOW 4 HOURS.
02:27 - 17.299 BEFORE TESTING 0, 1, 8, WOULD
02:27 - 18.909 HAVE HAD. I'M
02:27 - 21.069 ACTUALLY HAD TO BE A SEA OF 0.2
02:27 - 22.959 4 AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT
02:27 - 24.769 HERE SO I PUT THE QUESTION AND
02:27 - 25.770 THIS IS I THOUGHT.
02:27 - 28.409 WHY THE CASE WAS INTERESTING
02:27 - 29.629 FROM THE JURORS PRUDENTIAL
02:27 - 30.650 STANDPOINT IS.
02:27 - 32.599 WHERE IT FALLS ON THE
02:27 - 35.609 CONTINUUM BETWEEN ALICIA AND
02:27 - 36.610 WALKER.
02:27 - 38.729 BECAUSE IF IT'S MORE
02:27 - 41.519 LIKE ALICIA. THEN THAT LEANS
02:27 - 42.839 MORE YOUR DIRECTION BUT IF IT'S
02:27 - 44.879 MORE LIKE WALKER. THAT WOULD
02:27 - 46.389 SEEM TO MORE LEAN IN
02:27 - 48.409 BROWN'S DIRECTION. SO I'M
02:27 - 50.339 INTERESTED IN THE ISSUE
02:27 - 53.679 OF WHY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
02:27 - 55.669 ABOUT RELATION BACK IN TALKS
02:27 - 57.699 OCCASION IS NOT THE KIND OF
02:27 - 00.609 THING THAT AIDS FACT FINDERS IN
02:28 - 01.630 THIS COMMONWEALTH.
02:28 - 03.879 WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE
02:28 - 05.160 EXPERT OPINIONS OFFERED
02:28 - 08.589 DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY GO TO
02:28 - 09.599 RELATION BACK EVIDENCE
02:28 - 11.229 GENERALLY TO EXPLAIN THE
02:28 - 12.979 HOLDING A WALKER AND HOW THIS
02:28 - 14.709 CASE IS DIFFERENT WALKER JUST
02:28 - 17.240 SIMPLY HELD THAT. THE TRIAL
02:28 - 19.799 IT WAS IT WOULD IT WASN'T A
02:28 - 21.589 PURSE A BAR IT WAS WITHIN THE
02:28 - 23.140 TRIAL COURT'S DISCRETION
02:28 - 25.649 TO ALLOW EXPERT TESTIMONY
02:28 - 28.069 SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE
02:28 - 30.899 RELIABILITY OF EYEWITNESS
02:28 - 32.579 IDENTIFICATIONS BECAUSE THERE
02:28 - 33.510 WERE DEMONSTRATED
02:28 - 34.859 MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE
02:28 - 36.569 INFALLIBILITY JUST ONE BRIEF
02:28 - 37.570 FOLLOW-UP ON
02:28 - 40.409 COULD YOU ANSWER THIS WHAT IS
02:28 - 41.699 IT ABOUT AN EXPERT
02:28 - 43.220 TESTIFYING ABOUT.
02:28 - 45.519 EYEWITNESS IDENTIFICATIONS
02:28 - 45.780 THAT'S
02:28 - 48.700 MORE SCIENTIFIC THEN AN EXPERT
02:28 - 51.019 BLOOD ABOUT BLOOD ALCOHOL
02:28 - 54.039 CONTENT AND TITRATION IN THE
02:28 - 56.079 HUMAN BODY. WHAT I KNOW THAT
02:28 - 57.860 OVER TIME. YES, THE.
02:28 - 59.979 THERE THERE WERE DEMONSTRATED
02:28 - 01.219 MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT
02:29 - 02.630 THE INFALLIBILITY.
02:29 - 04.779 OF EYEWITNESS IDENTIFICATIONS
02:29 - 06.269 MEANING THE AVERAGE LAYPERSON
02:29 - 07.000 WE'VE GOT WELL THEY THEY
02:29 - 08.869 IDENTIFY THAT PERSON AGAIN I
02:29 - 09.730 WOULD I DIDN'T I WOULD BE ABLE
02:29 - 11.069 TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO FOR
02:29 - 12.899 EXAMPLE JUST CAME UP AND ROMNEY
02:29 - 14.049 AND WHAT AN EXPERT CAN OFFER
02:29 - 14.330 THEY'RE
02:29 - 16.149 SAYING THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY
02:29 - 17.909 DEMONSTRATED TO BE UNTRUE AND
02:29 - 19.540 IT'S COUNTER INTUITIVE SCIENCE
02:29 - 22.809 AND IT IS THE SUBJECT OF EXPERT
02:29 - 24.219 TESTIMONY IN LIGHT OF THOSE
02:29 - 25.650 DEMONSTRATING MISCONCEPTIONS
02:29 - 27.529 HERE, IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE
02:29 - 28.849 THAT A DRUNK PERSON
02:29 - 31.509 COULD BE LEBRON COULD FORGET
02:29 - 33.569 WHAT HAPPENED. THEIR THEIR
02:29 - 34.290 MEMORY COULD
02:29 - 36.939 BE UNRELIABLE BUT THE EXPERT
02:29 - 38.139 OPINIONS AGAIN THAT WERE
02:29 - 39.679 OFFERED HERE WENT SPECIFICALLY
02:29 - 40.680 TO SAYING THAT
02:29 - 42.519 HE WOULD HAVE HAD A COMES THIS
02:29 - 44.089 PARTICULAR PERSON WOULD HAVE
02:29 - 45.579 HAD TO CONSUME FAR MORE
02:29 - 47.589 ALCOHOL, THEN HE ADMITTED AND
02:29 - 49.309 WALKER THE EXPERT WAS ONLY
02:29 - 50.480 PERMITTED TO SAY
02:29 - 52.280 WITNESSES GENERALLY.
02:29 - 56.559 ARE THERE I IDENTIFICATIONS ARE
02:29 - 57.610 NOT INFALLIBLE.
02:29 - 00.709 AGAIN THE PROFFERED OPINIONS
02:30 - 02.659 HERE WENT TO HIS PERCEPTION
02:30 - 04.589 JUDGMENT MEMORY INHIBITIONS
02:30 - 05.649 ALWAYS THINGS THAT ARE COMMON
02:30 - 06.930 KNOWLEDGE THAT CAN BE AFFECTED
02:30 - 09.169 BUY ALCOHOL. SO THERE WEREN'T
02:30 - 10.639 ANY DEMONSTRATED MISCONCEPTIONS
02:30 - 11.659 THAT THE AVERAGE LAYPERSON
02:30 - 13.209 WOULD GO FROM PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS
02:30 - 15.200 TRUE. HAVE
02:30 - 19.660 DOES TO YOUR THINKING AT ALL.
02:30 - 22.069 THAT HE WANTED TO PRESENT A
02:30 - 24.789 JUSTIFICATION DEFENSE THAT HE
02:30 - 26.550 HAD TO GRAB THAT GUN
02:30 - 28.869 BECAUSE HE WAS WORRIED THAT
02:30 - 31.029 THIS THIS WILDLY DRUNKEN OR
02:30 - 33.220 RATIONAL. STATE TROOPER
02:30 - 35.459 WITH THAT GO GET GRABBING
02:30 - 37.109 HIMSELF WITH POSSIBLY USE IT
02:30 - 39.749 ON HIM AND THAT HIS DEFENSE WAS
02:30 - 41.279 CONSTRAINED BY THE INABILITY TO
02:30 - 41.680 PUT THIS
02:30 - 42.680 EVIDENCE IT.
02:30 - 44.719 NO YOUR HONOR BECAUSE LIKE I
02:30 - 45.960 WILL FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE IT HERE.
02:30 - 48.259 THE TRIAL COURT THAT IT WOULD
02:30 - 48.660 NOT
02:30 - 50.789 IN THAT A NECESSITY DEFENSE
02:30 - 51.969 WHICH AGAIN IS JUST ONE TYPE OF
02:30 - 53.170 JUSTIFICATION. DEFENSE.
02:30 - 55.369 WAS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE THE
02:30 - 56.370 SUPERIOR COURT AFFIRMED
02:30 - 58.209 ON THAT AND THAT QUESTION WAS
02:30 - 59.849 NOT LEFT OPEN IN THE ALA KART
02:30 - 01.110 OR ORDER HERE BUT.
02:31 - 04.040 THE DEFENSE
02:31 - 06.119 ONE WAS FOR NECESSITIES NOT
02:31 - 07.120 JUST
02:31 - 09.099 JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL
02:31 - 10.369 JUSTIFICATION OFFENSES AND IT
02:31 - 12.129 COULD BE AS DEFENDANTS SAID YOU
02:31 - 13.770 KNOW WHETHER HE WAS REASONABLY.
02:31 - 16.849 IN FEAR OF DANGER THAT'S NOT
02:31 - 18.189 WHAT A NECESSITY DEFENSE MEANS
02:31 - 19.369 HE COULD HAVE HE HAS TO HAVE
02:31 - 20.850 TAKEN THE ONLY
02:31 - 23.349 OPTION. POSSIBLE WHICH IN THIS
02:31 - 24.629 CASE WOULD BE TAKING
02:31 - 27.299 THE GUN. FROM THE COMPLAINANTS
02:31 - 29.539 CAR AND AN
02:31 - 31.999 EXPERT WHO WE DIDN'T WITNESSED
02:31 - 33.489 THAT ONE OF A JUSTIFICATION
02:31 - 34.380 DEFENSE IS GOING TO BE
02:31 - 36.369 DEPENDENT ON THE SPECIFIC FACTS
02:31 - 37.519 OF THE CASE YOU KNOW LIKE WHAT
02:31 - 38.520 ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
02:31 - 40.159 THE COMPLAINING CAN TESTIFY TO
02:31 - 41.549 THAT THE DEFENDING CAN TESTIFY
02:31 - 44.369 TO THAT INTERRUPT AND ASK YOU
02:31 - 46.970 TO EXPERTS THIS IS WHAT EXPERTS
02:31 - 49.059 DO THEY WEREN'T THERE THEY'RE
02:31 - 49.250 NOT
02:31 - 50.420 FACT WITNESSES.
02:31 - 52.879 THIS EXPERT WAS PROFFERED I I
02:31 - 54.209 GUESS AMONG OTHER THINGS TO
02:31 - 56.539 OPINE ON THE PHYSIOLOGICAL
02:31 - 59.289 IMPACT THAT ALCOHOL HAS ON A
02:31 - 01.520 HUMAN BODY AND OVER TIME.
02:32 - 04.099 AND WHY DOES THAT NOT PROVIDE A
02:32 - 06.889 WINDOW FOR THE JURY IF THE JURY
02:32 - 08.460 CHOOSES TO CREDIT.
02:32 - 10.649 WE'RE ON WHAT WAS GOING ON OR
02:32 - 12.060 WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN GOING ON
02:32 - 14.049 AT THE TIME WHY DOESN'T THAT
02:32 - 16.089 GET OVER THE BAR TO
02:32 - 17.090 ADMISSIBILITY.
02:32 - 19.900 AGAIN I DON'T NEED TO BE
02:32 - 21.389 THE OF A SIT HERE WHAT I'M
02:32 - 22.549 SAYING I BELIEVE THE
02:32 - 24.809 EXPERT'S OPINION. CRAWFORD HERE
02:32 - 26.789 DON'T GO TO THAT IF THE EXPERT
02:32 - 28.639 HAD RENDERED OPINION SAYING ANY
02:32 - 31.439 PERSON WHO STOP DRINKING FOR
02:32 - 32.749 HOURS BEFORE ON A
02:32 - 33.879 BREATHALYZER TEST THEY
02:32 - 36.290 REGISTERED 0.18%.
02:32 - 38.499 THE AC WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE A
02:32 - 41.399 SEA OF 0.24% AT THE TIME OF
02:32 - 43.079 THE INCIDENT THAT OPINION THAT
02:32 - 44.519 THAT WOULD BE ADMISSIBLE THEN
02:32 - 46.329 BASED ON THAT DEFENSE COUNSEL
02:32 - 48.049 IN CLOSING COULD ARGUE THAT YOU
02:32 - 49.889 CAN FIND HIM CREDIBLE BECAUSE
02:32 - 51.699 HE MUST HAVE LIED ABOUT HOW
02:32 - 53.049 MANY DRINKS HE HAD THEY'LL BE
02:32 - 54.729 APPROPRIATE TO ARGUE BASED ON
02:32 - 56.650 THAT LIMITED EXPERT OPINION.
02:32 - 58.099 WHAT THE EXPERT WANTED TO DO
02:32 - 00.259 HERE WAS DIRECTLY COMMENT ON
02:33 - 01.979 CREDIBILITY SIMPLY BY SAYING
02:33 - 04.219 USING THE METHODOLOGY OF RETRO
02:33 - 06.100 GREAT GRADE EXTRAPOLATION
02:33 - 07.690 I HAVE TO DO IS THAT THIS
02:33 - 09.149 SPECIFIC PERSON WOULD HAVE HAD
02:33 - 10.590 TO HAVE THIS MANY DRINKS.
02:33 - 14.209 AND AND THAT HE HE ONLY
02:33 - 15.819 ADMITTED TO FEWER AND THAT HIS
02:33 - 17.699 PERCEPTIONS AND MEMORY CAN'T
02:33 - 18.969 BE TRUSTED THAT
02:33 - 20.609 IS INADMISSIBLE AS COMMENTING
02:33 - 21.709 DIRECTLY ON A WITNESS'S
02:33 - 22.820 CREDIBILITY AWAY.
02:33 - 24.340 SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AN
02:33 - 25.909 EXPERT CAN EVER BE OFFERED TO
02:33 - 27.320 CONTRADICT A FACT WITNESS.
02:33 - 30.310 NO ONE AN EXPERT CAN
02:33 - 32.689 HAS BEEN DONE SO IN
02:33 - 35.469 CASES WHERE TO THIS IN
02:33 - 38.069 THIS CASE, THE POLICE OFFICER I
02:33 - 39.380 HAD 3 BEERS.
02:33 - 41.909 AND WHEN EXPERTS NOT
02:33 - 43.290 PERMITTED TO COME IN AND SAY
02:33 - 45.839 BASED ON MY SCIENTIFIC STAFF
02:33 - 48.040 STUDY MY REVIEW, MY THING IT.
02:33 - 50.429 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. YOU'RE SAYING
02:33 - 51.899 THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S
02:33 - 53.299 ATTACKING HIS CREDIBILITY YEARS
02:33 - 54.459 THAT SIMPLY OFFERING A CON
02:33 - 55.719 TRICK FACTUAL NARRATIVE FOR THE
02:33 - 56.760 JURY TO EMBRACE.
02:33 - 59.309 IT WOULD BE BUT THAT THAT WAS
02:33 - 00.310 NOT.
02:34 - 03.199 OFFERED AND WAS NOT BASED ON
02:34 - 04.489 WHAT THE EXPERTS SAID THAT HE
02:34 - 07.129 REVIEWED WHICH I I THINK THAT I
02:34 - 09.009 I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT I I I
02:34 - 10.499 HAVE I HAVE HAD A HARD TIME
02:34 - 11.500 GRASPING.
02:34 - 13.259 THE MOVEMENT OF OF THE
02:34 - 14.830 APPELLANTS THEORIES HERE
02:34 - 16.209 BUT BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO
02:34 - 17.880 UNDERSTAND THAT AN EXPERT KEN.
02:34 - 22.389 THE JURY TEST. YES AND BASED
02:34 - 23.390 OFF OF THAT
02:34 - 24.619 DEFENSE COUNSEL CAN MAKE AN
02:34 - 26.309 ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW THAT GOES TO
02:34 - 27.749 CREDIBILITY BUT WOULD HAVE TO
02:34 - 28.570 BE LIMITED TO CERTAIN
02:34 - 30.269 GENERALIZATIONS WHICH ARE NOT
02:34 - 31.749 HOW THESE EXPERT OPINIONS HERE
02:34 - 32.750 WHERE FRAMES.
02:34 - 34.630 AS GENERALIZATIONS
02:34 - 37.319 SO ON THAT BASIS WALKER'S
02:34 - 38.749 DIFFERENT ON ON THE BASIS OF
02:34 - 40.079 THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE
02:34 - 41.770 EXPERT OPINION WHICH HERE IS
02:34 - 44.650 ALCOHOL AS OPPOSED TO.
02:34 - 46.569 DEMONSTRATED MISCONCEPTIONS
02:34 - 47.819 ABOUT. THE
02:34 - 49.830 EYEWITNESS IDENTIFICATIONS.
02:34 - 51.650 IT'S.
02:34 - 53.879 THIS THIS REALLY ALL JUST GOES
02:34 - 55.759 TO CREDIBILITY WHICH IS CAT
02:34 - 56.030 ISN'T
02:34 - 57.150 EVERY CASE.
02:34 - 59.059 ULTIMATELY COME DOWN TO
02:34 - 01.089 CREDIBILITY IS THAT YOU'RE
02:35 - 02.600 EVENTUALLY GOING TO THE SIDE
02:35 - 03.990 WHO'S TELLING THE TRUTH.
02:35 - 05.439 YEAH, AND IT'S THE JURY'S
02:35 - 06.150 EXCLUSIVE
02:35 - 08.119 PROVINCE TOO DETERMINED THAT
02:35 - 09.469 AND OWN EXPERTS PROVIDE
02:35 - 10.939 TESTIMONY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO
02:35 - 12.439 MAKE THAT DEDUCTION. YES
02:35 - 14.009 EXPERTS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE
02:35 - 15.169 TESTIMONY OR ARE ALLOWED TO
02:35 - 17.289 GIVE TESTIMONY FROM WHICH IT
02:35 - 18.749 CAN BE ARGUED OR FROM WHICH THE
02:35 - 20.450 JURY MAY IN FOR.
02:35 - 23.029 AND OPINION OF THE
02:35 - 25.569 WITNESSES CREDIBILITY. IN
02:35 - 27.219 ANOTHER CASE WHERE A DIFFERENT
02:35 - 29.539 OPINION WAS OFFERED. UNLIKE THE
02:35 - 30.540 CASE HERE.
02:35 - 34.629 IF YOUR HONOR'S HAVE NO FURTHER
02:35 - 35.709 QUESTIONS WE WOULD JUST ASK
02:35 - 37.939 THE EU FROM DEFENDANTS JUDGMENT
02:35 - 39.569 OF SENTENCE. THANK YOU THANK
02:35 - 40.570 YOU.
02:35 - 42.900 THE 4TH CASE YOU'RE
02:35 - 44.169 GOING TO HEAR IS CALLED
02:35 - 45.919 GIBRALTAR ROCK VERSUS THE
02:35 - 47.539 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF
02:35 - 49.050 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
02:35 - 50.869 THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL APPEAL.
02:35 - 53.069 THIS IS A CIVIL APPEAL, AND IT
02:35 - 55.010 STEMS FROM THESE FACTS IN
02:35 - 56.750 2005. THE
02:35 - 58.389 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF
02:35 - 00.239 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ISSUED
02:36 - 02.479 PERMITS ALLOWING THE PLANE TO
02:36 - 05.109 OF GIBRALTAR TO OPERATE A ROCK
02:36 - 06.930 QUARRY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
02:36 - 09.209 THE TOWNSHIP WHERE THE COREY
02:36 - 11.829 IS LOCATED. LATER DISCOVERED
02:36 - 13.889 CONTAMINATED GROUNDWATER IN A
02:36 - 16.209 PROPERTY ADJACENT TO NEXT DOOR
02:36 - 17.310 TO THE CORE.
02:36 - 21.099 THE EPA TRACE,
02:36 - 22.789 THOSE CONTAMINANTS TO THIS
02:36 - 25.039 NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND IT
02:36 - 27.269 INITIALLY RENEWED GIBRALTAR'S
02:36 - 30.179 PERMITS. SO LONG AS GIBRALTAR
02:36 - 32.229 MONITORED THE GROUND WATER FROM
02:36 - 34.310 A CONTAMINATED SITE NEXT STORE
02:36 - 35.910 AND TOOK OTHER MEASURES.
02:36 - 38.560 THE TOWNSHIP APPEALED
02:36 - 40.379 THE GRANTING OF THOSE PERMITS
02:36 - 41.670 TO OPERATE TO COREY
02:36 - 42.850 TO WHAT'S CALLED THE
02:36 - 44.469 PENNSYLVANIA ENVIRONMENTAL
02:36 - 45.849 HEARING BOARD THAT IS
02:36 - 47.499 THE BOARD THAT HEARS APPEALS
02:36 - 48.719 FROM DECISIONS OF THE
02:36 - 49.869 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
02:36 - 50.870 PROTECTION.
02:36 - 53.229 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD
02:36 - 54.970 RESCINDED THE PERMITS
02:36 - 57.229 TO GIBRALTAR TO OPERATE TO CORY
02:36 - 57.640 BECAUSE
02:36 - 59.829 PUMPING WATER IN THE COREY
02:36 - 01.299 COULD DRAW THE CONTAMINATED
02:37 - 02.469 WATER ONTO THE
02:37 - 05.379 COREY SITE. THE BOARD ALSO HOW
02:37 - 07.660 THAT GIBRALTAR COULD REAPPLY
02:37 - 09.469 FOR NEW PERMITS IF THE
02:37 - 10.709 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
02:37 - 12.529 PROTECTION REMEDIATED THE
02:37 - 13.630 NEIGHBORING SITE.
02:37 - 15.759 GIBRALTAR APPEALED TO THE
02:37 - 17.449 COMMONWEALTH COURT. THE
02:37 - 18.949 COMMONWEALTH COURT IS ANOTHER
02:37 - 20.599 COURT THAT SITS BETWEEN TRIAL
02:37 - 22.480 COURTS AND THE SUPREME COURT.
02:37 - 25.529 AND THE COMMONWEALTH COURT HELD
02:37 - 26.340 THAT THE BOARD
02:37 - 28.879 ERRED IN TYING GIBRALTAR'S
02:37 - 30.830 ABILITY TO OPERATE ITS QUARRY.
02:37 - 33.839 TO THE D E P'S REMEDIATION OF
02:37 - 36.079 THE NEIGHBORING SITE. ACCORDING
02:37 - 36.230 TO THE
02:37 - 37.809 COMMONWEALTH COURT. THIS
02:37 - 39.889 ALLOWED D E P TO CONTROL
02:37 - 42.059 GIBRALTAR'S PROPERTY WITHOUT
02:37 - 43.870 DUE PROCESS OF LAW.
02:37 - 45.739 THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOW
02:37 - 47.069 ALLOWED AN APPEAL FROM THE
02:37 - 48.580 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD.
02:37 - 49.990 2.
02:37 - 52.629 DETERMINED WHETHER THE
02:37 - 55.139 PROPER THE A COMMONWEALTH COURT
02:37 - 55.900 PROPERLY
02:37 - 58.689 OVER TURNED. THE BOARD'S
02:37 - 01.199 PRECISION OF THE PERMITS ISSUED
02:38 - 03.539 TO GIBRALTAR TO OPERATE ITS ROB
02:38 - 05.319 CORRY SO NOW LET'S GO TO THE
02:38 - 06.170 COURTROOM TO HEAR THE
02:38 - 08.210 ARGUMENTS. THE COMMONWEALTH
02:38 - 11.099 FIRST THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING
02:38 - 12.979 BOARD DECISION TO ORDER AND
02:38 - 14.639 DIRECTED THAT TO BE A REAL MAN
02:38 - 15.080 TO THE
02:38 - 16.080 E P.
02:38 - 18.059 THE E P AND MULTIPLE
02:38 - 19.609 INTERVENE ERS WHO ARE
02:38 - 20.130 REPRESENTED
02:38 - 22.279 HERE TODAY APPEAL TO THIS COURT
02:38 - 23.499 ARE YOU IN THE COMMONWEALTH
02:38 - 26.299 COURT HEARD FIRING FOR SEEING
02:38 - 27.679 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD
02:38 - 29.099 DECISION WITHOUT PREJUDICE
02:38 - 30.759 ORDER AND DIRECTING
02:38 - 33.049 THE MATTER. IT ARGUED THAT THE
02:38 - 33.710 MANSION, BUT WE
02:38 - 37.079 MAN UP TO BARTER IN D E P
02:38 - 38.669 INTERESTINGLY BOTH ASSERT THAT
02:38 - 39.870 THE COMMONWEALTH COURT
02:38 - 43.029 3RD, A SPA DAY RAISING AND
02:38 - 43.700 DECIDING
02:38 - 45.489 MARKETABLE ISSUES THAT WERE
02:38 - 47.279 NEVER PROPERLY PRESERVED FOR
02:38 - 47.640 REVIEW
02:38 - 49.999 BEFORE IT. THE LOCAL ENTITIES
02:38 - 51.170 TO INTERVENE ERS.
02:38 - 55.079 DID NOT TAKE ANY POSITION ON
02:38 - 57.289 PRESERVATION BUT DID. HE'S
02:38 - 58.799 ARGUED THE MERITS OF THOSE
02:38 - 59.800 QUESTIONS.
02:39 - 01.339 SO WITH THAT
02:39 - 03.209 UNUSUAL PROCEDURE UP LAST YEAR
02:39 - 04.809 WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT THE
02:39 - 07.199 PARTIES AT LEAST ARGUE THAT THE
02:39 - 08.539 SEIZURE WITHOUT PREJUDICE
02:39 - 10.250 VERSUS THE AN ISSUE
02:39 - 13.389 AND THEN IF YOU WANT DISCUSS
02:39 - 14.979 WHETHER THE OTHER ISSUES ARE
02:39 - 17.319 PRESERVED FOR REVIEW ANY PARTY
02:39 - 19.419 CAN KID ARE YOU
02:39 - 20.809 PREPARED PRESERVATION REVIEW
02:39 - 22.640 AND THE MERITS. HOWEVER.
02:39 - 24.200 TIME IS
02:39 - 25.949 LIMITED AND IT'S ENTIRELY
02:39 - 27.879 PROPER TO RESTED YOUR BRIEFS
02:39 - 29.229 FOR ANY OF THESE ARGUMENTS THAT
02:39 - 29.350 YOU
02:39 - 31.099 WANT TO SO AGAIN WITH THAT
02:39 - 32.589 SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL PROCEDURE,
02:39 - 34.139 POSH TREES WE FIND OURSELVES
02:39 - 34.410 TAKING
02:39 - 36.089 THE CASE FROM THE COMMONWEALTH
02:39 - 37.479 COURT MS. MURPHY FEEL FREE TO
02:39 - 39.369 GO AHEAD. WE CERTAINLY THANK
02:39 - 41.599 YOU YOUR MARGARET MURPHY
02:39 - 42.739 REPRESENT THE COMMONWEALTH, THE
02:39 - 43.909 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF
02:39 - 45.050 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
02:39 - 46.759 THE PARENTS ARE SPLITTING OUR
02:39 - 48.699 TIME I HAD PLANNED TO
02:39 - 49.969 ADDRESS THE COMMONWEALTH
02:39 - 50.850 COURT'S PROCEDURAL AND
02:39 - 52.419 SUBSTANTIVE ERRORS ALL SORT OF
02:39 - 54.279 PUT THAT SECOND. AND I WILL
02:39 - 56.769 TALK ABOUT WHY DREAM AND TO THE
02:39 - 58.349 DEEP HE WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE
02:39 - 58.460 AT
02:39 - 02.339 THIS POINT. THE FIRST NEW AND
02:40 - 04.009 REBEL WHY WILL ARGUE ON BEHALF
02:40 - 05.069 OF THE TOWNSHIPS AND AND
02:40 - 06.589 CITIZENS AND HE HAD PLANNED TO
02:40 - 08.019 ADDRESS BUT MAY HE MAY ALSO
02:40 - 09.190 TURN KATE HIS ARGUMENTS.
02:40 - 12.349 WHY THE FOCUS OF THE
02:40 - 13.749 COMMONWEALTH COURT ON THE HOP
02:40 - 14.580 THE SEASIDE IS A
02:40 - 17.329 RED HERRING THE HP WAS CORRECT
02:40 - 18.809 IN ITS ANALYSIS OF ARTICLE ONE
02:40 - 20.679 SECTION 27 OF THE PENNSYLVANIA
02:40 - 22.849 CONSTITUTION. WHY RESCISSION IS
02:40 - 24.750 A REASONABLE REMEDY HERE
02:40 - 26.759 AND ABOUT HIS FAILURE TO
02:40 - 28.520 ADDRESS ANY OF THE 8 QUESTIONS
02:40 - 30.109 THAT WERE ALLOWED BY THIS
02:40 - 31.839 COURT. SO I WILL TURN TO THE
02:40 - 34.619 END MY AND THEN I WILL COME
02:40 - 36.809 BACK TO THE DISCUSSION I WANTED
02:40 - 37.740 TO GO THROUGH RELATED
02:40 - 39.829 TO WHY. THE
02:40 - 41.439 COMMONWEALTH DECISION ALSO
02:40 - 43.159 PROBLEMATIC FOR THE DEPARTMENT
02:40 - 44.339 OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND
02:40 - 45.769 WHY WE'RE TAKING THE UNUSUAL
02:40 - 46.770 POSITION.
02:40 - 49.449 HERE I'M ASKING THIS COURT TO
02:40 - 50.679 REINSTATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL
02:40 - 50.970 HEARING
02:40 - 53.209 BOARD DECISION THAT REJECTED
02:40 - 55.529 BP'S ISSUANCE OF THE PERMITS WE
02:40 - 56.989 RECOGNIZE THIS IS AN UNUSUAL
02:40 - 57.990 POSTURE.
02:41 - 03.550 AND WOULD
02:41 - 06.799 BE UNPRODUCTIVE 2 DIFFERENT FOR
02:41 - 08.029 EVERY MAN TO THE DEPARTMENT BE
02:41 - 09.989 UNPRODUCTIVE AT THIS POINT IN
02:41 - 12.259 TIME BECAUSE THE UNCONTESTED
02:41 - 13.339 FACTS FOUND BY THE
02:41 - 14.720 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD.
02:41 - 18.189 ARE THE GIBRALTAR FAILED TO
02:41 - 20.100 MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS
02:41 - 22.100 TO QUALIFY FOR A PERMIT.
02:41 - 23.539 THEY FAILED TO MAKE THE
02:41 - 25.959 SPECIAL DEMONSTRATION. THAT
02:41 - 28.549 OPERATION OF THEIR QUARRY WOULD
02:41 - 30.319 NOT CAUSE POLLUTION. THE
02:41 - 31.560 COUNCIL THAT.
02:41 - 34.899 LET ME LET ME JUMP IN I THINK
02:41 - 35.900 THAT IS AN INTERESTING
02:41 - 36.900 QUESTION.
02:41 - 39.359 ABOUT WHETHER THE CORING
02:41 - 41.419 OPERATION WOULD CAUSE POLLUTION
02:41 - 42.780 TO THE CORING SITE
02:41 - 45.259 PARTICULARLY WHEN POLLUTION WAS
02:41 - 46.649 ALREADY SEEPING TOWARD THAT
02:41 - 48.579 SITE AND I THINK THE TESTIMONY
02:41 - 49.589 ON WHICH THE ENVIRONMENTAL
02:41 - 51.569 HEARING BOARD. WE'RE LIVE SAID
02:41 - 53.119 IT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE AND
02:41 - 54.359 EVENTUALLY GO ON TO THAT SITE
02:41 - 55.519 TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS
02:41 - 56.520 PERMIT T
02:41 - 57.819 WHAT'S GOING TO ACTUAL CAUSE
02:41 - 58.730 POLLUTION THAT WAS GOING TO
02:41 - 00.639 HAPPEN ANYWAY. I THINK IT'S A
02:42 - 01.990 VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.
02:42 - 04.229 THERE WAS NO APPEAL TO THE
02:42 - 05.439 COMMONWEALTH COURT FROM THE HP
02:42 - 06.100 DECISION IN
02:42 - 08.189 THAT REGARD. SO SO WE DON'T
02:42 - 09.900 REALLY GET TO GET TO THAT.
02:42 - 12.900 ON THE RE MAN VS.
02:42 - 14.380 THE.
02:42 - 15.909 RESCISSION WITHOUT
02:42 - 18.009 PRESENT PREJUDICE ISN'T OUR
02:42 - 19.199 REVIEW IN THE COMMONWEALTH
02:42 - 20.369 COURAGE, YOU JUST A SIMPLE
02:42 - 21.450 ABUSE OF DISCRETION,
02:42 - 23.729 WHETHER THE DH BE ABUSED ITS
02:42 - 26.890 DISCRETION IN. RE SENDING.
02:42 - 28.679 I GUESS IT WAS A RESCISSION IN
02:42 - 29.719 ANY EVENT THE QUESTION IS
02:42 - 30.889 WHETHER IT WAS JUST A DISMISSAL
02:42 - 31.890 OR RE MAN.
02:42 - 34.200 WHY ARE WE WHY
02:42 - 34.570 WOULD WE.
02:42 - 36.499 WHAT WHAT BASES COULD WE
02:42 - 38.769 POSSIBLY CONCLUDE THAT A RE A
02:42 - 40.039 RESCISSION AND NOT REMAIN WAS
02:42 - 41.119 AN ABUSE OF DISCRETION BY THE
02:42 - 42.160 ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE BORED.
02:42 - 43.180 I DON'T THINK YOU COULD
02:42 - 45.619 CONCLUDE THAT RESCISSION WAS AN
02:42 - 46.789 ABUSE OF DISCRETION BY THE
02:42 - 48.249 ENVIRONMENT POINT. THE
02:42 - 49.839 DEPARTMENT AGREES THE
02:42 - 51.089 RESCISSION IS THE APPROPRIATE
02:42 - 52.010 REMEDY. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M
02:42 - 53.469 ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WHAT
02:42 - 54.549 I'M TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE
02:42 - 55.859 NUB OF THE ISSUE THAT THAT I
02:42 - 56.969 THINK THE CHIEF JUSTICE WANT
02:42 - 59.019 YOU TO ADDRESS WHICH IS IF THIS
02:42 - 00.369 CASE BOILS DOWN TO SIMPLY
02:43 - 02.289 A REMEDY WITH THAT IN THE
02:43 - 03.409 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD WAS
02:43 - 05.030 EMPOWERED TO DO BOTH.
02:43 - 07.129 WE'RE REVIEWING IT FOR AN ABUSE
02:43 - 07.970 OF DISCRETION WHICH IS
02:43 - 09.659 INCREDIBLY DEFERENTIAL RIGHT
02:43 - 12.779 RIGHT OK SO IS THERE YOUR YOUR
02:43 - 14.220 VIEW OF IT IS THERE'S NO
02:43 - 15.659 THERE'S NO POSSIBLE REASON HOW
02:43 - 17.129 WE EXERCISING ARE DEFERENTIAL
02:43 - 18.070 STANDARD FOR REVIEW COULD
02:43 - 19.629 CONCLUDE THAT THE HB ABUSED ITS
02:43 - 22.110 DISCRETION. CORRECT. YES.
02:43 - 24.320 AND THE PROBLEM FOR THE
02:43 - 26.069 DEPARTMENT IS THAT WE'RE BOUND
02:43 - 26.870 BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
02:43 - 27.370 HEARING
02:43 - 29.049 BOARD'S FINDING THAT
02:43 - 30.709 GIBRALTAR'S OPERATION OF THE
02:43 - 31.719 COREY WOULD MAKE THE
02:43 - 34.369 POLLUTION WORSE. WE'RE BOUND BY
02:43 - 36.319 THOSE FINDINGS WERE BOUND GET
02:43 - 39.089 AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND
02:43 - 41.139 THAT BUT I THINK AGAIN THERE'S
02:43 - 42.149 AN INTERESTING QUESTION AS
02:43 - 44.479 TO WHETHER THE CORING OPERATION
02:43 - 45.450 WOULD HAVE MADE THE POLLUTION
02:43 - 46.529 WORSE OR WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY
02:43 - 47.779 ABATED BEFORE DEPARTMENT
02:43 - 49.059 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION GOT TO
02:43 - 50.509 DOING IT. BUT I AND THOSE
02:43 - 51.929 ISSUES WERE NOT APPEALED THOSE
02:43 - 53.129 WISHES WERE NOT APPEALED AND
02:43 - 54.509 WE'RE BOUND BY AND I THINK
02:43 - 55.040 THEIR FINDINGS
02:43 - 56.409 OF FACT I COULD FIND THEM FOR
02:43 - 57.380 YOU I BELIEVE THEIR FINDINGS OF
02:43 - 00.779 FACT, 201220132014. IN WHICH
02:44 - 01.929 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING
02:44 - 04.129 BOARD. LET ME FIND THIS WAY AND
02:44 - 05.370 WHICH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING
02:44 - 07.749 SPECIFICALLY CONCLUDED SORT OF
02:44 - 09.379 THAT ADDITIONAL POINT THAT YES
02:44 - 10.020 IT'S COMING TO
02:44 - 12.229 THE COREY. BUT OPERATION OF THE
02:44 - 13.689 COREY PUMPING OF THE
02:44 - 15.999 GROUNDWATER FOR THE OPERATION
02:44 - 16.610 OF THE COURT
02:44 - 17.780 WOULD MAKE THAT
02:44 - 19.649 POLLUTION WORSENED AND WOULD
02:44 - 21.479 CAUSE POLLUTION TO AREAS THAT
02:44 - 23.290 ARE NOT CURRENTLY POLLUTED.
02:44 - 25.539 SO IT. THE DEPARTMENT OF
02:44 - 26.579 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS
02:44 - 26.840 BOUND
02:44 - 29.999 BY THAT. THERE WAS NO TO
02:44 - 32.019 COMMONWEALTH COURT REGARDING
02:44 - 33.730 WHETHER OR NOT THOSE MINE
02:44 - 36.239 FLORIDA, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT
02:44 - 37.220 YOU, BUT YOU KEEP SAYING YOU'RE
02:44 - 38.560 BOUND BY THAT BUT.
02:44 - 41.309 IF THERE WOULD NOT THAT THERE
02:44 - 42.829 WAS NO RECORD EVIDENCE
02:44 - 44.779 SUPPORTING THAT CONCLUSION YOU
02:44 - 46.389 PRECLUDED FROM TAKING APPEAL TO
02:44 - 47.499 THIS COURT ARE
02:44 - 48.430 YOU DOING THAT THE
02:44 - 50.030 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD
02:44 - 52.319 WE MADE AN ERROR OF LAW OR AN
02:44 - 54.239 ABUSE OF DISCRETION BY ADOPTING
02:44 - 55.359 FINDINGS OF FACTS THAT WOULD
02:44 - 56.360 SUPPORT IT.
02:44 - 58.499 IN GENERAL IT'S HARD TO
02:44 - 59.639 ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I
02:44 - 01.459 THINK THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR AND
02:45 - 02.669 PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR THE
02:45 - 04.579 DEPARTMENT WAS THAT DURING THE
02:45 - 06.979 DE NOVO HEARING EVIDENCE
02:45 - 08.879 WAS PRESENTED 2 THE INBOUND OR
02:45 - 09.880 HEARING BOARD
02:45 - 11.619 THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE
02:45 - 12.709 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
02:45 - 14.419 PROTECTION. EVIDENCE THAT WAS
02:45 - 15.250 VERY COMPELLING
02:45 - 17.349 AND PERSUASIVE FURTHER THE
02:45 - 18.599 THERE WAS THAT ENDS AND THE
02:45 - 19.959 DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY CHANGED HIS
02:45 - 21.909 POSITION RIGHT ISSUED A GRANT
02:45 - 23.539 TO TODAY DOESN'T CONTEST THAT
02:45 - 24.889 THE CREATION OF BEEN VACATED
02:45 - 25.280 RIGHT.
02:45 - 26.300 AND IN THE COUNCIL
02:45 - 28.039 THAT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN
02:45 - 29.499 DEPARTMENT NEVER HIRED ITS OWN
02:45 - 30.849 EXPERT, THEY RELIED
02:45 - 31.850 ON THE.
02:45 - 33.110 EXPERT OF
02:45 - 35.609 CORNERING OPERATION THAT'S
02:45 - 36.330 CORRECT AND THAT WAS THE
02:45 - 37.969 FINDING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL
02:45 - 40.419 HEARING BOARD THAT THAT AN
02:45 - 42.349 ABROGATION OF RESPONSIBILITY
02:45 - 43.739 SEND YOU THE ENVIRONMENTAL
02:45 - 44.769 RIGHTS AMENDMENT. THAT'S
02:45 - 45.770 CORRECT.
02:45 - 47.239 WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE
02:45 - 48.240 DEPARTMENT
02:45 - 50.589 THE JEEP, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE
02:45 - 52.190 MONEY TO HIRE ITS OWN EXPERT.
02:45 - 54.249 I CAN SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION
02:45 - 55.389 AND I DON'T THINK THAT QUESTION
02:45 - 56.819 WAS ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY BY
02:45 - 57.680 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING
02:45 - 59.469 BOARD. WE HAVE LIMITED
02:45 - 01.049 RESOURCES AND FUNDS AND WE HAVE
02:46 - 02.249 TO ALLOCATE TO
02:46 - 04.159 THE PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF
02:46 - 05.479 PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND
02:46 - 07.380 SAFETY FOR THIS PARTICULAR
02:46 - 09.969 HAZARDOUS CLEANUP SITE WE HAD
02:46 - 12.050 SPENT THAT MONEY TO CONNECT
02:46 - 13.999 IMPACTED RESIDENTS TO A
02:46 - 16.929 WATER LINE. SO THE RESOURCES
02:46 - 18.269 THAT THE DEPARTMENT DID HAVE WE
02:46 - 19.519 PUT TOWARDS ABATING THE
02:46 - 20.899 IMMEDIATE THREATS TO PUBLIC
02:46 - 21.900 HEALTH AND SAFETY.
02:46 - 24.810 I THINK THERE WAS
02:46 - 25.810 ANOTHER QUESTION.
02:46 - 27.679 YOU JUST DESCRIBED MY MY ONLY
02:46 - 30.059 THING WAS THE THE WHAT WAS
02:46 - 31.809 BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT WAS A
02:46 - 32.860 PERMIT APPLICATION.
02:46 - 34.360 AND.
02:46 - 35.590 THE DEPARTMENT GETS PERMIT
02:46 - 37.379 APPLICATIONS. RELATIVELY
02:46 - 39.220 FREQUENTLY AND DOESN'T HIRE
02:46 - 40.619 OUTSIDE EXPERTS FOR EVERY
02:46 - 41.949 PERMIT APPLICATION RIVER THE
02:46 - 43.049 PERMIT APPLICATION YOU HAVE
02:46 - 44.319 INTERNAL PEOPLE THAT REVIEW THE
02:46 - 45.399 CONTENT OF THE APPLICATION
02:46 - 46.869 CRACKED THAT'S CORRECT THAT'S
02:46 - 48.919 CORRECT. IN THIS CASE THOUGH NO
02:46 - 50.590 I'M SORRY I THINK YOU.
02:46 - 52.800 WE HAD A VERY FINE JOB ON THE
02:46 - 54.779 ISSUE THAT'S PRINCE ALI BEFORE
02:46 - 56.749 US. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO
02:46 - 58.029 COMMENT AT ALL AN ISSUE
02:46 - 59.649 PRESERVATION, THE MERITS OF ALL
02:46 - 00.380 THESE COLLATERAL
02:47 - 02.549 ISSUES THAT AT LEAST FROM MY
02:47 - 03.899 READING THAT THE COMMONWEALTH
02:47 - 05.249 COURT I THINK EVERYBODY'S
02:47 - 06.769 REALLY COME OF QUICK TO SPOT
02:47 - 08.819 THEY RAISED TO IT ARE YOU DOING
02:47 - 09.820 THIS. I DID.
02:47 - 11.779 I THINK THE ONE ISSUE I WOULD
02:47 - 13.119 LIKE TO BUT
02:47 - 14.539 TO RAISE TO THE COURT IN MY
02:47 - 15.600 TIME RIGHT NOW.
02:47 - 18.079 AN OTHERWISE REST ON THE
02:47 - 19.370 ARGUMENTS MADE IN OUR BRIEFS
02:47 - 22.179 IS THE CONSEQUENCE
02:47 - 23.819 OF THE COMMONWEALTH COURT'S
02:47 - 25.399 DISCUSSION OF THE FACT THAT
02:47 - 27.439 TAKINGS ARTICLE ONE SECTION 27
02:47 - 29.219 AND THEN ON COAL ACT WE ARE
02:47 - 31.649 REALLY PROBLEMATIC. AND SO
02:47 - 33.189 WE REQUEST THAT THE
02:47 - 35.019 COMMONWEALTH COURT DECISION BE
02:47 - 37.319 REVERSED. AND THOSE ERRORS BE
02:47 - 39.759 CORRECTED. WE ALREADY HAVE
02:47 - 41.890 LITIGANTS WHO ARE CITING
02:47 - 44.179 THE GIBRALTAR COMMONWEALTH
02:47 - 46.319 COURT DECISION IN THE APPEALS.
02:47 - 48.219 WE'RE RECEIVING WE HAVE MORE
02:47 - 48.350 THAN
02:47 - 50.829 20 APPEALS PENDING. BEFORE JUST
02:47 - 51.949 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD
02:47 - 53.039 AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE
02:47 - 54.439 APPEALS BEFORE. THE
02:47 - 55.519 COMMONWEALTH COURT AND THIS
02:47 - 57.319 COURT RELATED TO ARTICLE ONE
02:47 - 00.899 SECTION 27. AND THE ERROR OF
02:48 - 02.649 THE COMMONWEALTH COURT'S
02:48 - 05.389 CONCLUSION. PARTICULARLY THAT
02:48 - 08.039 FAILURE TO INCLUDE GIBRALTAR
02:48 - 09.729 FAILURE TO ISSUE A PERMIT TO
02:48 - 11.449 GIBRALTAR TO ALLOW THEM TO
02:48 - 14.019 UNDERTAKE A COREY OPERATION SO
02:48 - 15.949 THEY CAN HELP WITH CLEANUP MAY
02:48 - 18.160 VIOLATE ARTICLE ONE SECTION 27.
02:48 - 21.309 IS EXTRAORDINARY. DOESN'T
02:48 - 21.770 FOLLOW
02:48 - 23.959 THIS COURT'S PRECEDENT IN THE
02:48 - 26.039 PDF CASES OR IN ROBINSON
02:48 - 27.849 TOWNSHIP IN HIS PROBABLY
02:48 - 29.330 CONTRARY TO THOSE CASES,
02:48 - 31.069 THERE'S NO FACTUAL RECORD THAT
02:48 - 32.080 SUPPORTS THIS.
02:48 - 34.249 PERHAPS OFF AND A STATEMENT BY
02:48 - 34.860 THE COMMONWEALTH
02:48 - 36.839 COURT NONETHELESS IT'S BEING
02:48 - 39.109 CITED BY LITIGANTS AND WE NEED
02:48 - 40.489 TO HAVE THAT CORRECTED THAT'S
02:48 - 42.639 IN PART WHY WE SAW IT APPEAL TO
02:48 - 43.640 THIS COURT.
02:48 - 46.670 SO IF THE COURT THIS COURT.
02:48 - 48.680 BESIDES THE.
02:48 - 51.699 A DISMISSAL VERSUS REALLY
02:48 - 53.819 AN ISSUE AND OTHERWISE WE
02:48 - 55.460 VERSUS THE COMMONWEALTH COURT
02:48 - 57.719 DOES THAT SATISFY BP'S
02:48 - 59.870 THE AIR YOU KEEP THESE NEEDS.
02:49 - 01.849 I THINK IF THE REVERSAL IS
02:49 - 02.850 CLEAR
02:49 - 05.449 AND COMMUNICATING FROM A
02:49 - 07.499 PRESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE BUT
02:49 - 08.519 BECAUSE OF THE COMMONWEALTH
02:49 - 10.160 COURT CAN'T BE RELIED ON.
02:49 - 11.809 WOULD BE CLEAR IN YOUR MIND
02:49 - 13.759 IF WE VACATED THAT THAT PORTION
02:49 - 14.630 OF THE CALL OF THE COURT'S
02:49 - 15.630 OPINION.
02:49 - 17.229 I THINK SO IF THE
02:49 - 18.929 PRECEDENTIAL EFFECT IS THAT IT
02:49 - 20.689 DOESN'T EXISTING CAN'T BE
02:49 - 22.579 RELIED ON WE TRIED VERY HARD TO
02:49 - 23.580 BE CLEAR
02:49 - 27.379 THANK YOU. NO ARGUMENT HELP SO
02:49 - 29.969 I THINK REST ON MY BRIEFS WITH
02:49 - 31.449 REGARD TO THE OTHER ISSUES AND
02:49 - 33.030 JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
02:49 - 36.739 THE COME WHAT THAT THAT THIS
02:49 - 37.979 HONORABLE COURT REVERSE THE
02:49 - 40.119 COMMONWEALTH COURT. THEY KATE
02:49 - 41.580 WILL REVERSE ARE CORRECT.
02:49 - 43.889 THE ERRORS IN THE COMMONWEALTH
02:49 - 46.319 COURT'S DECISION AND REINSTATE
02:49 - 47.429 THE ORDER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL
02:49 - 48.430 HEARING BOARD.
02:49 - 52.369 AGAIN APOLOGIZE FOR MY PART
02:49 - 54.260 THERE IS NO NEED. THANK YOU.
02:49 - 57.679 MISTER THAT WAR WHEN ARE YOU
02:49 - 58.680 NEXT.
02:50 - 02.349 AFTERNOON AND REBEL ARMY HALF
02:50 - 04.299 OF NEW HANOVER TOWNSHIP AS WELL
02:50 - 06.269 AS ARGUING ON BEHALF OF WHAT
02:50 - 07.780 CITIZENS GROUP AND THE QUARRY.
02:50 - 09.899 I'M AS I WAS
02:50 - 11.529 WAITING OUTSIDE HIS ALL THE
02:50 - 13.269 CHILDREN OUTSIDE VISITING, I'M
02:50 - 14.659 REMINDED WHEN MY MOTHER TOOK ME
02:50 - 16.399 DOWN THE LIBERTY BELL AND
02:50 - 17.400 INDEPENDENCE HALL.
02:50 - 17.900 FROM THAT
02:50 - 18.900 GREAT MEMORIES.
02:50 - 20.929 BUT YOU CAN SEE IS THAT THE
02:50 - 22.309 CHILDREN ARE HECKLING US
02:50 - 23.310 THROUGH
02:50 - 27.989 BUT I APPRECIATE THE
02:50 - 30.119 OPPORTUNITY TO ARE YOU IN THESE
02:50 - 32.379 HALLOWED HALLS AND THANKFUL TO
02:50 - 33.780 BE PART OF THE CELEBRATION OF
02:50 - 35.599 THE PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT
02:50 - 36.659 CELEBRATING SELF AS AN
02:50 - 38.529 INDEPENDENT COURT. WELL IT'S
02:50 - 39.639 FITTING THAT YOU CHOSE THIS
02:50 - 41.990 CASE TO BE ARGUED. HERE TODAY
02:50 - 45.229 IN THAT IT WE'RE CLOSE TO WHERE
02:50 - 46.639 THE DEBATE AND PASSAGE OCCURRED
02:50 - 47.979 OF DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
02:50 - 49.169 AND THE UNITED STATES
02:50 - 51.359 CONSTITUTION THAT WE REVIEW
02:50 - 53.149 VERY QUICKLY THE PREAMBLE TO
02:50 - 53.940 THE CONSTITUTION
02:50 - 56.049 TALKS ABOUT WE THE PEOPLE IN
02:50 - 57.399 ORDER FOR MORE PERFECT UNION
02:50 - 58.799 ESTABLISH JUSTICE PROMOTE THE
02:50 - 00.679 GENERAL WELFARE AND SECURE THE
02:51 - 01.809 BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO
02:51 - 03.120 OURSELVES AND TO
02:51 - 05.819 OUR POSTERITY SPECIAL WORDS TO
02:51 - 06.820 BE SURE.
02:51 - 08.330 BUT THEY DON'T MEAN A THING
02:51 - 09.519 UNLESS THERE'S LEGISLATION
02:51 - 11.159 BEHIND THEM OF COURSE THE KEY
02:51 - 13.059 PIECE OF LEGISLATION HERE IS
02:51 - 14.290 NON COAL MINING.
02:51 - 17.649 AND THE ISSUE FOR YOU IS RE MAN
02:51 - 19.869 VERSUS RESCISSION AND I SUGGEST
02:51 - 21.699 TO YOU THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY
02:51 - 24.090 NO BASIS TO CONSIDER
02:51 - 27.930 REAM AND WHEN THE APPLICANT
02:51 - 30.149 FOR PERMIT FAILED TO MEET
02:51 - 32.579 THE EXPRESS CRITERIA EXPRESS
02:51 - 34.820 REQUIREMENTS IN THE 9 COAL ACT.
02:51 - 37.839 THAT SUGGESTS YOU IS ON
02:51 - 39.790 APPEALED IT'S UNCONTESTED
02:51 - 41.170 BECAUSE WE
02:51 - 43.919 LOOK TO ALL THE FINDINGS MADE
02:51 - 45.699 BY THE TRIAL JUDGE IN THIS CASE
02:51 - 48.019 THE BOY I THINK JUSTICE BROBSON
02:51 - 49.910 ASK YOUR OPPOSING COUNSEL.
02:51 - 51.440 AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE
02:51 - 52.889 INSURED A DIFFERENT THERE'S NO
02:51 - 56.449 LAW ON EVERY MAN VERSUS
02:51 - 56.970 DISMISSAL
02:51 - 00.179 WITHOUT PREJUDICE. SO IT SEEMS
02:52 - 01.809 TO FALL TO THE E H
02:52 - 04.599 P'S DISCRETION WHICH IF THAT'S
02:52 - 06.099 SO IT'S A VERY HIGH
02:52 - 07.609 BAR SHOWED YOU SOME DISCRETION
02:52 - 09.039 UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE I AGREE
02:52 - 11.149 WHOLEHEARTEDLY I SO WEAK SO I
02:52 - 12.200 GUESS THAT'S MY POINT IS
02:52 - 13.859 WE DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE A
02:52 - 14.390 DECISION
02:52 - 17.059 THAT SAYS ABSOLUTELY THERE IS
02:52 - 19.339 NO OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM AND WHEN
02:52 - 20.849 THE PERMITTEE FAILS TO SIDE
02:52 - 21.840 WITH THE HB CONCLUDES THE
02:52 - 23.209 PERMITTEE HAS FAILED TO SATISFY
02:52 - 24.429 THEIR BURDEN. WE DON'T HAVE TO
02:52 - 25.579 DO THAT DO THAT I DON'T THINK
02:52 - 26.719 YOU HAVE TO DO THAT I THINK YOU
02:52 - 28.619 NEED TO GIVE TRIAL COURTS.
02:52 - 31.019 THE DISCRETION OF BECAUSE OF
02:52 - 32.079 THE DIFFERENT FACT PATTERNS
02:52 - 33.229 THAT APPEAR BEFORE THAT I MEAN
02:52 - 34.810 WE MAY VERY WELL.
02:52 - 36.730 IF THEY WOULD HAVE RE MANDATE
02:52 - 38.489 WE'VE BEEN VERY VERY WELL SAID
02:52 - 40.189 OF YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S AN ABUSE
02:52 - 42.789 OF BUT BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT
02:52 - 43.770 YOU'RE TAKING IT TO ANOTHER
02:52 - 45.729 LEVEL AND SAYING WE MUST SAY
02:52 - 47.699 THAT THE ONLY REMEDY HERE WAS A
02:52 - 48.810 WAS A WAS
02:52 - 50.619 DISMISSAL. I WOULD SUGGEST TO
02:52 - 52.419 THE COURT THAT BASED UPON THE
02:52 - 54.110 UNDISPUTED FACTS IN THIS CASE.
02:52 - 56.359 THE UNDISPUTED CONCLUSIONS OF
02:52 - 56.760 LAW
02:52 - 58.959 YOU MUST RE SEND YOU MUST
02:52 - 00.469 UPHOLD THE RECESSION IN THIS
02:53 - 02.409 CASE AGAIN SPECIFIC TO THIS
02:53 - 03.839 CASE. YOU HAVE A VERY UNIQUE
02:53 - 05.619 FACTS. YOU HAD A CASE LIKE THIS
02:53 - 06.629 SAID IT WAS AN ABUSE
02:53 - 09.739 OF DISCRETION. I PREFER, YES,
02:53 - 11.999 YEAH I PREFER THE VACATION THAT
02:53 - 13.729 WAS SUGGESTED THAT'S A
02:53 - 15.019 DIFFERENT ISSUE THAT'S THE
02:53 - 17.179 COLLATERAL ISSUES. WE JUST
02:53 - 19.230 BROUGHT BEFORE ONLY TO THE
02:53 - 23.229 AND VERSUS DISMISSAL
02:53 - 25.139 WITHOUT PREJUDICE. AND THIS
02:53 - 26.010 MORNING ANSWER IS THAT'S
02:53 - 28.250 PERFECT JUSTICE. UNDER STATE,
02:53 - 29.929 BUT THEN AGAIN THIS IS A UNIQUE
02:53 - 32.900 SITUATION. IT'S SOME 300 ACRES
02:53 - 34.489 THAT ARE PUTTING MOST BE MY
02:53 - 36.109 NEXT TO WHAT IS IN ESSENCE, A
02:53 - 38.869 MINI LOVE CANAL. IT IS A SITE
02:53 - 40.929 THAT CONTAINS SOME 20 DIFFERENT
02:53 - 42.889 DANGEROUS CHEMICALS. AND
02:53 - 44.519 THEY'RE FLOWING AND TO YOUR
02:53 - 46.909 POINT JUST AS PROPS HOW DO WE
02:53 - 48.770 KNOW THAT MINING
02:53 - 51.349 WILL CAUSE FURTHER POLLUTION
02:53 - 53.710 WELL THAT'S A FACT ESTABLISHED
02:53 - 54.880 BY THE BOARD
02:53 - 57.139 AFTER HEARING 5 DAYS OF TEST I
02:53 - 58.969 DON'T I THINK WHETHER SOMETHING
02:53 - 00.689 WHETHER SOMETHING IS A CAUSE
02:54 - 01.700 UNDER A STATUTE.
02:54 - 03.659 IS A MIXED QUESTION OF FACT
02:54 - 05.969 AND LAW AND AND AGAIN THIS
02:54 - 07.599 ISSUE WASN'T PRESERVED. I'M I'M
02:54 - 08.260 HEARKENING BACK
02:54 - 10.789 TO MY 3 WEEK TRIAL IN FRONT OF
02:54 - 12.099 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD
02:54 - 14.219 WITH KEN GILL BIRD. I'M DEALING
02:54 - 15.689 WITH THE TRASH TRANSFER PERMIT
02:54 - 18.009 SO. YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S
02:54 - 19.080 E IT'S.
02:54 - 20.729 I THINK THERE'S A VERY
02:54 - 21.779 INTERESTING QUESTION AS
02:54 - 24.189 TO WHETHER SOMEONE WHO COMES IN
02:54 - 26.499 AND WANTS TO COREY. IN
02:54 - 29.729 MAY EXPEDITE THE MOVEMENT OF
02:54 - 31.049 POLLUTION FROM ONE PROPERTY
02:54 - 31.870 ONTO THAT PROPERTY. BUT
02:54 - 33.319 NONETHELESS IS PROPOSING TO
02:54 - 35.209 TREAT IT SOMETHING THAT BP
02:54 - 37.070 STILL HAS BEEN UNABLE TO DO
02:54 - 39.750 WHETHER THAT IS TRULY CAUSING.
02:54 - 41.649 POLLUTION THAT IS GOING TO
02:54 - 43.449 HAPPEN ANYWAY AND IN THIS CASE
02:54 - 44.699 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ON
02:54 - 46.399 THE RECORD. THERE WILL BE
02:54 - 47.910 POLLUTION CAUSED BECAUSE
02:54 - 52.119 10 MINUTES. WE ARE
02:54 - 53.479 MOVING INTO EXPANDING THE
02:54 - 55.169 PLUMES EXPANDING HOWEVER THE
02:54 - 57.890 DRAWDOWN FROM THE MINE IS GOING
02:54 - 59.829 300 FEET DEEP THE DRAWDOWN OF
02:54 - 01.559 THE WATER IS GOING TO PULL THE
02:55 - 03.249 SAND AND SAID IT'S GOING TO
02:55 - 04.359 EXACERBATE IT AND IT'S GOING
02:55 - 05.559 MAKE IT FASTER BUT AGAIN WE
02:55 - 06.320 DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS
02:55 - 07.579 DISCUSSION WITH NOBODY APPEAL
02:55 - 08.779 THE ISSUE WE DON'T I THINK THE
02:55 - 10.340 SIGNIFICANT THOUGH BECAUSE.
02:55 - 12.139 OF THE TENSION RESIDENTS
02:55 - 14.039 BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO
02:55 - 16.099 FORMED BAND CHOIR GROUP THEY'RE
02:55 - 17.080 THE ONES WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH
02:55 - 18.429 THIS AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO
02:55 - 20.479 ARE GOING TO SUFFER GOES
02:55 - 21.889 MOVING. SOME WILL BE
02:55 - 24.919 TREATED PERHAPS WHAT IF THEY
02:55 - 25.989 WERE EVER TO REACH THE QUITE
02:55 - 26.580 OTHERS ARE GOING
02:55 - 28.369 TO MOVE AND NEVER REACH THE
02:55 - 30.259 QUARRY. IT'S THOSE THAT ARE THE
02:55 - 32.189 POLLUTION THAT REALLY CAUSED
02:55 - 33.190 THE CONCERN HERE.
02:55 - 36.399 WHAT THEN EVENT AS YOU JUST
02:55 - 37.400 KNOW RE MAN
02:55 - 39.589 IS WARRANTED HERE IN ANY WAY
02:55 - 41.489 SHAPE OR FORM. THERE'S NO
02:55 - 42.450 LEGITIMATE PURPOSE
02:55 - 44.469 FOR IT I HEARKEN BACK TO THE
02:55 - 46.430 COURT'S DECISION FROM 2007.
02:55 - 47.869 IN THE STATION SQUARE
02:55 - 50.909 GAMING CASE THE COURT NOTED
02:55 - 51.910 THAT NIGHT CASE
02:55 - 53.329 EVERY MAN WOULD SERVE NO
02:55 - 55.289 PURPOSE SO IN THAT CASE YOU
02:55 - 57.000 REINSTITUTING THE
02:55 - 59.059 RESCISSION I SUGGEST THAT IT
02:55 - 01.569 MAKES SENSE TO DO IS DRAG IS IS
02:56 - 03.199 THE IDEA THAT THINGS WILL DRAG
02:56 - 04.729 ON TOO LONG IS THAT A FACTOR TO
02:56 - 06.199 BE CONSIDERED IN DECIDING
02:56 - 07.760 BETWEEN REMENTER RECENT.
02:56 - 10.629 IT CERTAINLY IS TO MY
02:56 - 12.299 OPPOSING COUNSEL TO ME DOES
02:56 - 13.300 NOT.
02:56 - 16.170 THE IDEA THAT.
02:56 - 17.380 THE.
02:56 - 20.209 GIBRALTAR'S FOCUSING ON WHAT
02:56 - 22.649 MAY OCCUR IN THE FUTURE IS A
02:56 - 23.650 CONCERN.
02:56 - 25.909 LEGITIMATE CONCERN BECAUSE
02:56 - 28.449 THERE'S NO PLANT 4 AT IT HANDLE
02:56 - 30.669 THINGS. HOWEVER, THE REASON
02:56 - 32.189 YOU'RE GOING TO SUGGEST HE
02:56 - 34.219 SHOULD RESCIND UPHOLD
02:56 - 35.859 THE DECISION IS BECAUSE OF WHAT
02:56 - 37.239 HAPPENED THE PAST NOT CONCERNED
02:56 - 38.130 ABOUT THE FUTURE BUT WHAT
02:56 - 39.560 HAPPENED THE PAST WHICH IS
02:56 - 41.869 THAT GIBRALTAR FAILED TO MEET
02:56 - 43.429 THE EXPRESS REQUIREMENTS UNDER
02:56 - 43.790 THE NON
02:56 - 45.509 CALL ACT THEY FAILED TO MEET
02:56 - 47.179 THE EXPRESS REQUIREMENTS UNDER
02:56 - 48.740 THE REGULATIONS UNDER THAT ACT
02:56 - 50.479 THEY THEY FAILED TO MEET IN
02:56 - 51.100 CONJUNCTION WITH
02:56 - 52.669 THE DEPARTMENT. THE
02:56 - 54.639 REQUIREMENTS UNDER ARTICLE ONE
02:56 - 56.539 SECTION 27 OF THE PENNSYLVANIA
02:56 - 58.869 CONSTITUTION WHICH REQUIRES PRE
02:56 - 01.389 DECISION ALL EVALUATION WAS NOT
02:57 - 03.070 DONE HERE. AND SO.
02:57 - 05.509 THOSE ARE 3 STRIKES YOU'RE OUT
02:57 - 06.360 THERE SHOULD BE OUT THE
02:57 - 07.860 RESCISSION SHOULD BE UPHELD.
02:57 - 09.329 WHAT ABOUT THE WHAT ABOUT THE
02:57 - 12.309 FACT GIBRALTAR ROCK STARTED
02:57 - 14.380 THIS PERMITTING PROCESS.
02:57 - 17.590 WELL OVER 10 YEARS AGO 2011 AND
02:57 - 18.850 AND THE FACT THAT.
02:57 - 20.590 HISTORICALLY THE P
02:57 - 22.609 HE'S HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE
02:57 - 24.279 CONTAMINATION OF THE SITE SINCE
02:57 - 25.430 THE 70'S AND
02:57 - 27.720 FOR WHATEVER
02:57 - 32.299 FINANCIAL. YOU KNOW LACK
02:57 - 33.550 OF RESOURCES.
02:57 - 36.019 HAVEN'T REMEDIATED THIS THE
02:57 - 37.649 SITE IS SO IT'S REMAINS
02:57 - 38.650 INCLUDED.
02:57 - 41.579 SHOULDN'T DOESN'T THAT LEND
02:57 - 43.159 SOME CREDENCE TO THE FACT THAT
02:57 - 44.809 PERHAPS TO A FAULT OR SHOULD BE
02:57 - 45.849 ALLOWED TO COME BACK TO THE
02:57 - 46.850 TABLE I MEAN.
02:57 - 48.470 HEY THEY COULD SAVE YOU LOOK.
02:57 - 50.019 YOU LET US FOR MEDIAITE THE
02:57 - 52.279 AREA YOU
02:57 - 54.449 LET US. YOU KNOW MINE ARE
02:57 - 57.149 ARE COREY. ISN'T AND IT ISN'T
02:57 - 58.569 IT HAVE SOME BENEFIT TO YOU
02:57 - 01.799 THAT THAT ASPECT AND GIBRALTAR
02:58 - 04.359 COULD DO THAT TODAY. WITHOUT
02:58 - 05.360 THE PERMIT.
02:58 - 06.859 I SUGGEST THEY CAN'T GET THE
02:58 - 08.259 PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE EXPRESS
02:58 - 09.649 REQUIREMENTS AND AND COLLECT
02:58 - 11.540 REGULATIONS AND CONSTITUTION
02:58 - 13.139 BUT THEY CERTAINLY CAN I HAVE
02:58 - 14.269 ANOTHER CLIENT THAT ENTERING
02:58 - 16.999 INTO A PERSPECTIVE. PURCHASING
02:58 - 19.169 AGREEMENT WITH THE PATE WHERE
02:58 - 20.000 WE'RE GOING TO BUY THE
02:58 - 21.709 PROPERTY. AND WE'RE GOING TO
02:58 - 22.710 CLEAN IT UP.
02:58 - 24.759 BUT WE DON'T HAVE VISION WHAT
02:58 - 26.079 YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS POSITION
02:58 - 28.229 ON THIS CASE DOESN'T RULE OUT
02:58 - 29.230 THAT.
02:58 - 31.509 NOT AT ALL NOT AT ALL THAT THEY
02:58 - 33.060 COULD TO START.
02:58 - 36.169 ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT THEY
02:58 - 37.459 CAN PURCHASE A PROPERTY START
02:58 - 38.769 ADDRESSING IT. THEY CAN DO IT
02:58 - 39.929 FROM AFAR THEY CAN DO IN
02:58 - 40.980 CONJUNCTION WITH THE PICK.
02:58 - 42.510 WHAT THE PERMIT.
02:58 - 44.399 IT'S NOT THE LEFTIST AND
02:58 - 45.579 BECAUSE IT NEVER MET THE
02:58 - 46.709 CRITERIA IN THE FIRST PLACE
02:58 - 47.989 WILL REMAIN DOESN'T NECESSARILY
02:58 - 48.240 MEAN THE
02:58 - 50.609 PERMITS STANCE. IT DOESN'T BUT
02:58 - 52.529 WHAT IT DOES IS I SUGGEST SENDS
02:58 - 55.340 A WRONG MESSAGE TO THE BOARD.
02:58 - 59.280 AND IT'S
02:58 - 00.280 ON CONTEST
02:59 - 01.859 THAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
02:59 - 02.860 ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT IN THE
02:59 - 04.150 FIRST PLACE WE NEVER MET.
02:59 - 05.949 WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT PERMIT
02:59 - 08.119 A LIFE, WE KNOW THAT IT REMAIN
02:59 - 09.199 DOESN'T KEEP THE PERMIT ALIVE,
02:59 - 10.359 THEY CAN'T TAKE THE PERMANENCE
02:59 - 12.119 STAR COREY. THEIR BREATH BACK
02:59 - 13.469 BEFORE THE DPA DOESN'T KEEP THE
02:59 - 14.969 PERMIT ALIVE, BUT BUT HE KEEPS
02:59 - 17.259 ALIVE SOMETHING THAT WAS VOID
02:59 - 19.109 AB INITIO WELL IN THE SENSE
02:59 - 20.379 THAT KEEPS THE PERMIT PROCESS
02:59 - 21.300 ALIVE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO
02:59 - 22.429 START ALL OVER AGAIN SOMETHING
02:59 - 23.720 THEY STARTED 10 YEARS AGO
02:59 - 26.879 IT BUT THEY CAN APPLY TO TODAY
02:59 - 29.219 TO MARK FOR PERMIT JUST WITH
02:59 - 29.930 THIS PERMIT
02:59 - 31.529 WHAT WE WANT BEFORE YOU APPLY
02:59 - 33.539 FOR PERMITS IN FRONT OF THE YOU
02:59 - 36.009 CAN TELL ME BECAUSE I HAD I
02:59 - 37.729 UNDERSTAND THAT STARTING OVER
02:59 - 39.050 CAN SOMETIMES BE DIFFICULT.
02:59 - 40.729 IT TO YOUR POINT THOUGH IF
02:59 - 42.239 YOU WERE TO REMAIN AND IF THE
02:59 - 43.579 COMMONWEALTH COURT HAD ITS WAY
02:59 - 45.129 IN THIS ROOM AND JUST THINK
02:59 - 46.560 THROUGH WHAT THAT ONE IN 5.
02:59 - 49.020 WHEN WE BE BACK IN FRONT OF D P
02:59 - 51.060 ARE YOU DOING THOSE SAME ISSUES
02:59 - 53.129 FOR WHICH WE HAD A 5 DAY TRUMP
02:59 - 53.940 FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL
02:59 - 55.649 HEARING BOARD. NOW WHEN I LOOK
02:59 - 57.119 AGAIN THIS IS ALL VERY
02:59 - 59.089 INTERESTING TO I'M NOT GOING TO
02:59 - 00.859 I DON'T REPRESENT A BROAD TERM
03:00 - 02.139 NOT GOING TO PROPHESIED WHAT I
03:00 - 03.299 WOULD DO IS THEY'RE COUNCIL I
03:00 - 04.190 WENT BACK IN FRONT OF THE
03:00 - 04.860 PEOPLE THE BOTTOM
03:00 - 05.380 LINE IS.
03:00 - 07.259 BHP FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS
03:00 - 09.389 OF LAW WERE NOT APPEALS SO SO
03:00 - 10.979 THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE IT IS TO
03:00 - 12.429 BE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD
03:00 - 13.599 CASE WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO
03:00 - 16.139 COMMENT AT ALL ON PRESERVATION
03:00 - 17.060 AND AT OTHER
03:00 - 18.060 MERITS ISSUES.
03:00 - 20.579 THE ONLY ONE THAT I'LL DRESS
03:00 - 22.099 IF I MAY BECAUSE OUT THE FIRST
03:00 - 24.450 TO A DPS REGARDS PRESERVATION
03:00 - 28.080 IS THE IDEA THAT THIS COURT.
03:00 - 31.409 ISSUED AN ORDER. SAYING WE
03:00 - 33.060 WOULD ISSUES ADDRESSED.
03:00 - 36.019 AT BASS ONE ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED
03:00 - 36.720 I WOULD SUGGEST
03:00 - 39.689 THAT IS UNDER THE RULES THAT IS
03:00 - 41.220 AN ADMISSION AGREEMENT
03:00 - 43.830 BY THE OPPOSITION BY GIBRALTAR
03:00 - 45.709 AS REGARDS THE BRIEFING THAT WE
03:00 - 46.940 PRESENTED TO THE COURT
03:00 - 48.869 AND YET ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU
03:00 - 49.680 SHOULD DECIDE IN
03:00 - 51.699 FAVOR OF 9 TOWNSHIP TO
03:00 - 53.570 PRAGMATICALLY WE GET
03:00 - 56.709 2000 REQUESTS FOR ALLOWS YOU
03:00 - 58.689 KNOW YEAR AND IN LOOKING AT
03:00 - 00.439 THOSE DECIDING WHAT TO GRANT OR
03:01 - 01.819 NOT GRANT WE DON'T HAVE THE
03:01 - 03.299 SAME REASON BUT DON'T PUT THE
03:01 - 03.550 SAME
03:01 - 04.550 RESOURCES IN.
03:01 - 06.419 THAT WE DO AT THIS POINT IN
03:01 - 07.899 SUBSEQUENT TO THIS POINT WHEN
03:01 - 09.040 WE TAKE IT THAT
03:01 - 10.359 ONE OF THE STATE TO RECORD A
03:01 - 12.469 PARTLY TO EVERY WORD IN IN
03:01 - 14.689 RIGHTS AND PINION SO WE MAY
03:01 - 16.679 HAVE BEEN A RONI IS IN GRANTING
03:01 - 18.979 ALL 80 SHOES BECAUSE WE WEREN'T
03:01 - 20.169 AWARE PRESERVATION
03:01 - 21.959 ON PRESERVATION. WE LOOK TO
03:01 - 23.189 COMMONWEALTH COURT OPINION THE
03:01 - 24.480 PETITION FOR ALLOWANCE.
03:01 - 26.740 I UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTAND, BUT
03:01 - 28.979 IT TO MY MIND YOU TAKE AN
03:01 - 31.289 AWFUL CHANCE AS A PARTY BEFORE
03:01 - 33.209 THIS COURT TO JUST KNOW THAT MY
03:01 - 35.519 MOTHER TO TAKE YOU. I THINK
03:01 - 36.520 IT'S FAIR.
03:01 - 38.329 ALL RIGHT IT IN CONCLUSION.
03:01 - 39.869 I ASK THAT YOU REVERSE THE
03:01 - 41.360 DECISION THE COMMONWEALTH COURT
03:01 - 43.339 REINSTATE THE RESCISSION
03:01 - 45.829 BORDER. WOW TO PROGRESS THAT
03:01 - 46.830 WAY. THANK YOU.
03:01 - 58.759 PLEASE PROCEED, IT PLEASE THE
03:01 - 01.379 COURT STEVE HARRIS. ATTORNEY
03:02 - 03.339 FOR GIBRALTAR ROCK. WELL YOU'RE
03:02 - 04.979 TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THIS CASE
03:02 - 06.919 HAS BEEN GOING ON I'D BE
03:02 - 08.700 REPRESENTING THE BROADER ROCK
03:02 - 11.959 FOR 21 LONG YEARS IN AN
03:02 - 13.679 EFFORT TO WE'VE GOT ALL THE
03:02 - 16.979 ZONING APPROVAL. AND THERE'S A
03:02 - 18.599 FUNDAMENTAL MISUNDERSTANDING
03:02 - 20.889 HERE THAT SOMEHOW TO BROUGHT TO
03:02 - 22.540 ROCK. DID NOT.
03:02 - 25.059 MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 9
03:02 - 26.060 COAL ACT.
03:02 - 29.380 WE INITIALLY.
03:02 - 32.180 WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN
03:02 - 36.109 2001 AND APPLY TO D E P FOR
03:02 - 39.489 A PERMIT IN 2003 THAT PERMIT
03:02 - 43.360 WAS ISSUED IN 20005.
03:02 - 45.729 WE THEN BECAUSE OF THE
03:02 - 47.979 LITIGATION UNENDING LITIGATION
03:02 - 51.359 OVER THE LAND USE MATTERS CAME
03:02 - 52.629 TO THE POINT WHERE THE
03:02 - 53.709 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD
03:02 - 54.729 SAID YOU REALLY OUGHT TO GO
03:02 - 58.269 BACK AND REAPPLY OF 4 YOU'RE
03:02 - 59.270 HEARING.
03:03 - 01.389 THE BROADER ROCKIES IN TOTAL
03:03 - 03.080 COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE
03:03 - 06.830 ACT, 9 COAL ACT ISSUES EXCEPT.
03:03 - 09.559 IT HAS THE MISFORTUNE OF BEING
03:03 - 11.070 NEXT TO THE GOOD OIL SITE.
03:03 - 14.159 THAT IS ACTUALLY AN
03:03 - 15.160 OPPORTUNITY.
03:03 - 17.979 THE BROADER ROCK IS NOT
03:03 - 20.649 THE PROBLEM. GIBRALTAR ROCK IS
03:03 - 21.980 PART OF THE SOLUTION.
03:03 - 25.009 THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GO BACK
03:03 - 26.010 ONE REMIT.
03:03 - 28.540 JUST AS BOB SAID YOU'RE
03:03 - 30.879 ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN YOU SAY
03:03 - 33.089 THIS IS AN ISSUE OF ABUSE OF
03:03 - 36.369 DISCRETION. AND. IT
03:03 - 37.899 IS HELPFUL TO
03:03 - 40.799 TO READ WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL
03:03 - 42.020 HEARING BOARD SENT.
03:03 - 43.979 IT SAID HOWEVER
03:03 - 46.329 GIVEN THE LACK OF ANY MOMENTUM
03:03 - 48.210 AT THAT SITE WE'RE CONCERNED
03:03 - 51.460 REMAIN PENDING. HS CA
03:03 - 53.129 HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE CONTROL ACT
03:03 - 54.319 ACTIVITIES WOULD DRAG ON
03:03 - 55.890 INDEFINITELY AGAIN GIVING
03:03 - 57.999 RISE TO THE STILLNESS CONCERNS
03:03 - 59.719 THE REQUIRED TO RE MAN OF OUR
03:03 - 02.219 FIRST EDUCATION. WELL FIRST OF
03:04 - 04.630 ALL CONCERNS ARE IN EVIDENCE.
03:04 - 10.980 THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT.
03:04 - 13.380 THERE WAS A LACK OF MOMENTUM.
03:04 - 16.580 THE RECORD IS CLEAR. GOOD
03:04 - 18.769 THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE
03:04 - 20.539 HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE GROUP SAID
03:04 - 21.540 LOOK.
03:04 - 23.349 WE'RE GOING TO RUN A PILOT
03:04 - 25.729 STUDY WE'VE ALWAYS GOT ALREADY
03:04 - 27.949 HAVE THE MONEY. 2 RUN THAT
03:04 - 30.429 PILOT STUDY WE'RE GOING TO BE
03:04 - 32.579 DOING THAT WE'RE NOT CLOSING
03:04 - 33.980 DOWN OUR REMEDIATION
03:04 - 37.340 SO THE QUESTION AND N
03:04 - 39.349 MS. MURPHY MADE A VERY
03:04 - 40.990 IMPORTANT OBSERVATION HERE.
03:04 - 44.730 SHE SAID THE REASON.
03:04 - 48.229 THAT THIS MATTER WAS OVER
03:04 - 49.230 TURNED.
03:04 - 54.619 THE DEPARTMENT HAD NOT HAD THE
03:04 - 58.229 OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE
03:04 - 00.050 TESTIMONY FROM DOCTOR MACLEAN
03:05 - 02.169 WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE IS
03:05 - 03.170 VERY INSTRUCTIVE.
03:05 - 09.099 BROADER ROCKS PAYTON TRANSPORT
03:05 - 10.309 STUDY GAVE IT TO THEIR OWN
03:05 - 11.589 EXPERT, THEIR OWN EXPERT HAD
03:05 - 13.250 CRITICISMS ABOUT IT.
03:05 - 15.769 THEY SHARE THAT WITH THE
03:05 - 18.679 DEPARTMENT KNOW THEY HELD THAT
03:05 - 21.379 REPORT UNTIL THE APPEAL IN
03:05 - 23.060 ORDER TO WEAPONIZE THAT REPORT.
03:05 - 24.799 MISTER HARRIS SAID I THINK
03:05 - 25.360 YOU'RE A LITTLE
03:05 - 27.899 FAR FIELD. THE QUESTION THAT
03:05 - 29.169 WAS ASKED OF BOTH OF YOUR
03:05 - 30.689 OPPOSING COUNSEL BY JUSTICE
03:05 - 32.059 BROBSON INITIALLY AND THEN
03:05 - 32.530 BY ME.
03:05 - 35.749 IS WHETHER THE HB ABUSED
03:05 - 38.279 ITS DISCRETION. IN CHOOSING
03:05 - 39.969 BETWEEN DISMISSAL WITHOUT
03:05 - 41.379 PREJUDICE OR OR
03:05 - 44.049 RE MAN AND IT AND IT JUST
03:05 - 45.559 BROUGHT US AND MADE THE POINT
03:05 - 46.440 THAT IF THE
03:05 - 49.289 HBA DECIDED IN YOUR FAVOR IF
03:05 - 50.869 YOU WILL FOR HIM AND THAT THAT
03:05 - 52.209 STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN
03:05 - 53.789 ITS DISCRETION. I THINK THE
03:05 - 56.559 NARROW INQUIRY ON THIS ISSUE IS
03:05 - 58.390 WHERE OR HOW
03:05 - 00.399 DID THE HB ABUSE IT'S THE SHOW
03:06 - 02.679 THAT USED TO BE ABUSED
03:06 - 05.619 THEIR DISCRETION. BECAUSE THE
03:06 - 06.930 REASON IT.
03:06 - 09.180 BY THE E H B.
03:06 - 11.629 FOR RESCINDING RATHER THAN
03:06 - 13.869 REMAINING. WELL READ AGAIN,
03:06 - 15.969 HOWEVER GIVEN THE LACK OF ANY
03:06 - 18.229 MOMENTUM ON THAT SITE WE'RE
03:06 - 18.960 CONCERNED THAT
03:06 - 21.109 REMAIN PENDING. PAST THAT
03:06 - 22.459 ACTIVITY SHOULD DRAG ON
03:06 - 24.649 INDEFINITELY. RISE TO THE
03:06 - 26.719 STILLNESS CONCERNS THE REQUIRED
03:06 - 28.109 TO RE MAN FROM OUR FIRST OF
03:06 - 30.889 JUNE PATIENT. THERE IS NO
03:06 - 32.249 EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TO
03:06 - 35.289 SUPPORT THAT AS A MATTER OF THE
03:06 - 37.119 RECORD IS THE OPPOSITE POINT
03:06 - 38.530 WELL HIT TO GET IN.
03:06 - 39.740 I THINK THAT YOUR
03:06 - 41.779 BEST ARGUMENT IS AND BECAUSE
03:06 - 43.629 THE THE THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU
03:06 - 45.499 CAN NEVER SATISFY THE CONDITION
03:06 - 47.749 OF THE PERMIT IS IS IN
03:06 - 49.599 MY EXPERIENCE THERE'S BEEN
03:06 - 51.610 REMAINS LIKE THAT BEFORE BUT I
03:06 - 53.350 BUT YOUR YOUR ARGUMENT IS
03:06 - 54.879 THAT'S NOT THE REASON WHY THE
03:06 - 57.480 BOARD REFUSED TO REMIT
03:06 - 58.829 THE BOARD AND SAY WE'RE NOT
03:06 - 59.899 REMAINED IN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
03:06 - 01.119 A FUTILE ACT YOU COULD NEVER
03:07 - 02.240 SATISFIED RIGHT
03:07 - 05.019 THEY SAID WE'RE NOT ANDING IT
03:07 - 06.579 BECAUSE DEEP, HE DOESN'T HAVE A
03:07 - 09.499 PLAN TO REMEDIATE THE SITE AND
03:07 - 10.929 WHERE IT'S JUST GOING NOWHERE
03:07 - 11.980 WERE JUST STOP IT NOW
03:07 - 13.529 AND THE RECORD AND THE RECORD
03:07 - 15.229 IS CLEARLY THE OPPOSITE ON THAT
03:07 - 16.260 PARTICULAR POINT.
03:07 - 17.380 AND.
03:07 - 20.730 REVIEW ARE THE 2 D E P
03:07 - 22.640 PERMIT REVIEWERS.
03:07 - 26.859 TESTIFY HATE IF WE HAD DOCTOR
03:07 - 28.929 MCCLAIN'S REPORT WE WOULD HAVE
03:07 - 31.109 CONSIDERED IT AND WE WOULD
03:07 - 32.110 HAVE.
03:07 - 35.189 MADE ABROAD TO ROCK RESPOND TO
03:07 - 37.800 THE ALL THE ISSUES RAISED AND
03:07 - 40.539 THEN AND NOT UNTIL
03:07 - 42.219 THEY HAD RESPONDED TO THE WOULD
03:07 - 43.790 WE HAVE ISSUED THE PERMIT.
03:07 - 46.389 ALL WE'RE ASKING. IS TO
03:07 - 49.239 GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT ALLOW
03:07 - 51.159 THE REVIEWERS TO REVIEW
03:07 - 54.039 THE REPORT ALLOW US TO RESPOND
03:07 - 56.180 TO IT. YOU THIS IS
03:07 - 59.389 I SUGGEST WE LIKE THE THE
03:07 - 02.650 QB PRODUCT. THIS CASE WHERE.
03:08 - 05.119 THIS COURT SAID THE
03:08 - 06.569 COMMONWEALTH COURT'S DECISION
03:08 - 08.589 IS AFFIRMED TO THE EXTENT IT IS
03:08 - 09.570 CONSISTENT WITH
03:08 - 11.849 THE DIRECTION WILLOW IS VACATED
03:08 - 13.029 IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS AND
03:08 - 14.330 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR
03:08 - 16.810 WHAT WE'RE ASKING. THE COURT
03:08 - 19.699 TO DO IS TO AFFIRM THE DECISION
03:08 - 21.190 TO REVERSE AND REMAND
03:08 - 23.909 AND VACATE THE SOO A
03:08 - 25.859 SPONTANEOUS SHOES THAT WILL
03:08 - 28.549 GIVE US AS IS JUST AS PROPS AND
03:08 - 29.550 POINTED OUT.
03:08 - 31.759 TO FILE ANOTHER PERMIT
03:08 - 34.410 APPLICATION IS AN ENORMOUS.
03:08 - 37.560 UNDERTAKING IN TERMS OF TIMES
03:08 - 38.300 TIME
03:08 - 40.949 AND MONEY. THERE'S NO NEED TO
03:08 - 43.160 GO BACK TO THE START AGAIN.
03:08 - 44.780 WE CAN DO.
03:08 - 47.889 SUBMIT THE DEPARTMENT WILL DO
03:08 - 49.859 EXACTLY WHAT IT SET. IT WILL
03:08 - 51.539 ASK THE BALL TO RESPOND TO
03:08 - 54.279 CONCERN A B AND C WE'LL HAVE
03:08 - 56.090 THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
03:08 - 59.220 IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT.
03:08 - 00.650 A PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED.
03:09 - 02.370 BUT I DO WANT TO COME IN.
03:09 - 05.629 CHIEF JUSTICE ON THE ON THE
03:09 - 07.410 FACT OF THE
03:09 - 10.119 AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WHY
03:09 - 12.189 YOU CRITICIZE THE DIE BROUGHT
03:09 - 13.190 UP THE ISSUE
03:09 - 16.260 OF THIS REPORT THAT THE
03:09 - 18.320 TOWNSHIP DIDN'T SHARE
03:09 - 20.579 WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO ALLOW IT
03:09 - 22.560 TO CONSIDER THESE ISSUES.
03:09 - 27.089 WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY OF
03:09 - 28.090 THIS LITIGATION.
03:09 - 30.169 THE PERMIT WOULD HAVE BEEN
03:09 - 32.389 ISSUED UNTIL THE UNTIL THOSE
03:09 - 33.559 THINGS WERE CONCERNED SO WE
03:09 - 34.190 WOULD HAVE SAVED
03:09 - 36.479 5 DAYS AND JUST AS ROBSON KNOWS
03:09 - 37.450 WHAT THAT'S LIKE IN FRONT OF
03:09 - 38.130 THE ENVIRONMENTAL
03:09 - 40.179 HEARING BOARD WE WOULD SAVE
03:09 - 41.399 PEELED TO THE COMMONWEALTH,
03:09 - 43.309 WHAT THE COUNCIL THE HP IS
03:09 - 43.770 ESSENTIALLY
03:09 - 44.950 TURNOVER PROCESS.
03:09 - 46.659 AND USUALLY THE PERMITTEE IS
03:09 - 48.549 THERE TO DEFEND THE USUALLY THE
03:09 - 49.919 DEPARTMENT AND LETS THE PERMIT
03:09 - 50.090 TO
03:09 - 52.309 DO THAT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR
03:09 - 54.439 EXPERT REPORTS TO SURFACE
03:09 - 56.070 STIRRING BHP TRIAL
03:09 - 00.239 WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY HAD THE
03:10 - 02.969 REPORT BEFORE THAT THE PERMIT
03:10 - 04.789 WAS ISSUED. THERE ARE NO HARD
03:10 - 06.579 BEING SAID THE DEPARTMENT SAID
03:10 - 08.279 IF WE HAD IT WE WOULD CONSIDER
03:10 - 11.299 IT ALL WERE REQUESTING IS THAT
03:10 - 13.739 YOU AND THIS MATTER TO ALLOW
03:10 - 16.719 THE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW THE
03:10 - 19.179 THE REPORT TO DO WHAT IT
03:10 - 22.120 NORMALLY DOES IF WE CAN SATISFY
03:10 - 23.549 THE DEPARTMENT THE PERMIT WILL
03:10 - 25.519 REISSUE IF WE CAN SATISFY IT
03:10 - 27.630 WILL IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR
03:10 - 29.099 TO REQUIRE US TO GO BACK TO
03:10 - 31.819 SQUARE ONE. SO TO SUMMARIZE WE
03:10 - 34.570 ASK YOU TO AFFIRM THE FINDING
03:10 - 35.820 OF THE.
03:10 - 38.929 THE COME WITH WITH THAT SHOULD
03:10 - 40.440 BE REVERSED AND REMANDED
03:10 - 43.019 BUT VACATE THOSE ISSUES WHICH
03:10 - 44.280 WILL RAISE WITH SPOTTY.
03:10 - 46.259 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU
03:10 - 47.340 VERY MUCH FOR US.
03:10 - 51.150 THE FINAL CASE YOU'RE
03:10 - 53.049 GOING TO HEAR IS CALLED IN THE
03:10 - 55.429 INTEREST OF K AND L
03:10 - 57.619 A MINOR, THIS IS AN ADOPTION
03:10 - 59.689 CASE AND IN FAMILY LAW CASES WE
03:10 - 01.539 OFTEN USE INITIALS. THAT'S WHY
03:11 - 03.439 WE USE K AND AL IT'S AN EFFORT
03:11 - 05.679 TO PROTECT A CHILD OR OTHER
03:11 - 07.179 FAMILY MEMBERS INVOLVED IN
03:11 - 10.159 THE CASE. AND CASE IS ABOUT
03:11 - 12.189 WHO'S ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE
03:11 - 14.449 WHAT THE LAW CALLS STANDING IN
03:11 - 17.039 ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS. THE CHILD
03:11 - 18.079 AT ISSUE WAS BORN IN
03:11 - 19.900 PHILADELPHIA IN 2010.
03:11 - 22.299 AT THE TIME THE CHILD'S MOTHER
03:11 - 23.919 WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A
03:11 - 26.279 PERSON NAMED T B WHO WAS NOT
03:11 - 27.390 THE CHILD'S FATHER,
03:11 - 29.479 WHEN THE CHILD WAS BORN
03:11 - 31.609 MOTHER WAS INCARCERATED SO THE
03:11 - 34.739 CHILD LIVED WITH TV'S MOTHER T
03:11 - 36.779 BE ALSO LIVED IN THE HOUSE WITH
03:11 - 37.810 THE CHILD AND
03:11 - 40.779 TV'S MOTHER. BUT THE MOTHER HAD
03:11 - 42.749 PHYSICAL AND LEGAL CUSTODY OF
03:11 - 43.849 THE CHILD TV
03:11 - 47.169 DID NOT IN 2015 THE CHILD IS
03:11 - 48.420 REMOVED FROM THE HOME
03:11 - 51.309 BASED ON ALLEGED ABUSE BY TV
03:11 - 53.819 AND TV'S MOTHER, THE CHILD IS
03:11 - 55.460 THEN PLACED IN FOSTER CARE.
03:11 - 56.550 IN
03:11 - 00.009 2018 THE CHILD. FOSTER PARENT
03:12 - 01.669 AND MATERNAL AND FILE
03:12 - 04.029 FOR ADOPTION. T BE THEN
03:12 - 05.899 RESPONDS BY TRYING TO INTERVENE
03:12 - 07.569 IN THE ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS AND
03:12 - 10.250 ALSO FILING HIS OWN ADOPTION.
03:12 - 11.360 THE PETITION.
03:12 - 14.239 HE ALLEGES IN LOCO PER ENT US
03:12 - 15.240 WHICH
03:12 - 16.869 LEGAL DOCTRINE THAT ALLOWS
03:12 - 18.869 PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THE PARENTS
03:12 - 18.990 OF
03:12 - 21.089 A CHILD TO ASSERT CERTAIN
03:12 - 22.939 RIGHTS MAYBE CUSTODY IN EVEN
03:12 - 24.779 ADOPTION. BECAUSE THEY HAVE
03:12 - 26.059 PROVIDED CARE TO
03:12 - 28.369 THE CHILD. SO TBA SEARCH THAT
03:12 - 29.869 HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADOPT A
03:12 - 31.849 CHILD BECAUSE HE STOOD IN THE
03:12 - 33.390 LOW CO-PARENT US.
03:12 - 35.479 THE TRIAL COURT DENIED
03:12 - 38.029 TV'S MOTION TO INTERVENE AND
03:12 - 40.109 THE ADOPTION PETITION. ON THE
03:12 - 41.619 BASIS THAT T B IS
03:12 - 44.279 NOT CURRENTLY IN LOCO PRENTICE
03:12 - 45.459 BECAUSE THE CHILD HAD BEEN
03:12 - 46.010 REMOVED IN
03:12 - 50.209 2015. TV NEVER WAS THE CHILD'S
03:12 - 51.250 LEGAL GUARDIAN.
03:12 - 54.389 AND FINALLY THE COURT HELD THAT
03:12 - 55.120 HE BE IN THE
03:12 - 57.119 CHILD'S MOTHER WHO REMEMBER WAS
03:12 - 58.519 INCARCERATED WHEN THE CHILD WAS
03:12 - 00.409 BORN EVER LIVED IN A FAMILY
03:13 - 02.649 UNIT TOGETHER. THE SUPERIOR
03:13 - 05.699 COURT AFFIRMED THAT HE DID NOT
03:13 - 08.039 ESTABLISH IN LOCAL AND LOCO
03:13 - 10.059 PRENTICE STATUS WITH REGARD TO
03:13 - 11.060 THE CHILD.
03:13 - 13.649 T BE THEN APPEALED TO THE
03:13 - 15.439 SUPREME COURT AND THE SUPREME
03:13 - 17.170 COURT HAS ALLOWED AN APPEAL
03:13 - 19.369 TO CONSIDER WHETHER TV SHOULD
03:13 - 21.129 BE PERMITTED TO EITHER
03:13 - 22.309 INTERVENE IN THE
03:13 - 24.679 ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS OR
03:13 - 26.549 MAINTAIN HIS OWN PETITION TO
03:13 - 28.809 ADOPT A CHILD. NOW LET'S GO TO
03:13 - 30.339 THE COURTROOM TO HEAR THIS 5TH
03:13 - 32.569 ARGUMENT. THE CASE PERTAINS TO
03:13 - 34.669 A FORMER CAREGIVERS PLEASE
03:13 - 36.140 PROCEED. THANK YOU.
03:13 - 38.049 THE CASE FOR PERTAINS TO A
03:13 - 39.730 FORMER CARE DON'T CARE
03:13 - 42.109 CAREGIVERS MOTION WE'RE
03:13 - 43.629 INTERVENING IN ADOPTION
03:13 - 45.029 PROCEEDINGS OF THE 12 YEAR-OLD
03:13 - 47.479 CHILD. THE CARE GATE. GIVE HER
03:13 - 50.289 A SEARCH THAT HE IS IN LOCAL
03:13 - 52.239 PARENT, THIS WE'RE AT THE TIME
03:13 - 53.599 WE FOUND IS PETITION. HE WAS IN
03:13 - 54.639 LOCAL APPRENTICE TO
03:13 - 56.809 THE CHILD. AFTER HEARING ON A
03:13 - 58.449 MOTION TO INTERVENE THE TRIAL
03:13 - 59.969 COURT FOUND THE CARE DAY CARE
03:13 - 01.470 GABER LACK STANDING
03:14 - 03.029 BECAUSE HE FAILED TO
03:14 - 04.229 DEMONSTRATE THAT HE IS
03:14 - 06.049 CURRENTLY IS ACTING IN LOCAL
03:14 - 07.549 PARENTS ON APPEAL, THE SPIRIT
03:14 - 09.739 COURT AFFIRMED ON THE BASIS OF
03:14 - 10.929 THE CARETAKER FAILED TO
03:14 - 12.589 DEMONSTRATE IN LOCAL PRENTICE
03:14 - 13.829 BE GRANTED ALLOWED TO BUILD A
03:14 - 14.480 CHAIRMAN WHETHER
03:14 - 16.799 LOWER COURTS MISINTERPRET OR
03:14 - 18.509 MISAPPLIED PENNSYLVANIA LAW AS
03:14 - 20.189 IT RELATES TO IN LOGO PREVENT
03:14 - 22.119 THE STANDING IN AN ADOPTION
03:14 - 25.919 PROCEEDING. EDITION TO THE
03:14 - 26.920 MERITS.
03:14 - 30.680 I THINK PERHAPS I WOULD WOULD
03:14 - 33.879 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTING ON
03:14 - 36.459 WHETHER THE CHILD AT AGE
03:14 - 39.939 12 IS REFUSING. CONSENT TO
03:14 - 41.529 ADOPTION WHICH WOULD JUST MOVE
03:14 - 43.609 THE ENTIRE CASE. IF IT WAS
03:14 - 44.919 RECOVERED TO THE TO THE
03:14 - 47.079 TRIAL COURT MAY PLEASE THE
03:14 - 47.990 COURT I START TO INTRODUCE
03:14 - 49.330 MYSELF AFTERNOON YOUR HONORS.
03:14 - 50.799 MURRAY HE TELLS US THERE FOR
03:14 - 52.869 THE PALATE YOU'RE ON AND THE
03:14 - 54.120 GUARDS HERE QUESTION.
03:14 - 57.140 ABOUT THE CHILD'S CONSENT.
03:14 - 59.049 I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A MATTER
03:14 - 00.809 TO BE DETERMINED AT THE ACTUAL
03:15 - 01.900 ADOPTION HEARING
03:15 - 03.639 FOR THE HEARING ON THE MERITS
03:15 - 05.829 BUT IN REGARDS TO STANDING THAT
03:15 - 06.830 SHOULDN'T BE PART OF
03:15 - 10.659 EVALUATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER
03:15 - 12.579 OR NOT APPELLATE HAS STANDING
03:15 - 13.580 TO EVEN FILE.
03:15 - 16.179 IN OTHER WORDS IN OTHER
03:15 - 18.349 WORDS, FIRST WE NEED TO DECIDE
03:15 - 20.849 STANDING CORRECT. WE CAN SENSE
03:15 - 23.069 IN ANY MERITS ISSUES THAT'S NOT
03:15 - 24.600 BEFORE US TODAY, CORRECT.
03:15 - 26.499 WE THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE
03:15 - 27.980 RECORD UNCLEAR.
03:15 - 30.929 WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE THE
03:15 - 31.989 CHILD WILL CONSENT
03:15 - 32.480 OR NOT.
03:15 - 33.899 THERE WAS NEVER EVER ANY
03:15 - 35.549 EVIDENCE PRESENTED ONE WHERE
03:15 - 38.289 TO ANOTHER OUTSIDE OF A MENTION
03:15 - 39.629 IN CHILD ADVOCATES BRIEF THAT
03:15 - 41.179 THE CHILD WILL IS NOT WILLING
03:15 - 42.399 TO CONSENT SO THAT WAS NEVER
03:15 - 43.709 EVEN LITIGATED THINK THAT'S
03:15 - 44.939 FAIR ENOUGH SO WHY DON'T WE GET
03:15 - 45.959 TO THE STANDING AND
03:15 - 47.439 INTERVENTION IN LOCAL CURRENT
03:15 - 48.440 US.
03:15 - 50.359 MAY I ASK ONE MORE CLARIFYING
03:15 - 52.309 QUESTION THIS YOUR CLIENT
03:15 - 54.489 CURRENTLY HAVE A PETITION TO
03:15 - 55.080 ADOPT.
03:15 - 57.009 YES, AND A PETITION TO ADOPT
03:15 - 58.999 AND IT WAS ALSO FILED AND IT IT
03:15 - 59.110 IS
03:15 - 01.640 STILL PENDING. I BELIEVE THAT
03:16 - 04.580 TRIAL COURT DISMISSED THE INTER
03:16 - 06.059 THE PETITION TO INTERVENE ON
03:16 - 07.459 THE ADOPTION. HE ALSO DISMISSED
03:16 - 09.769 A PETITION TO IT THAT WAY YOU
03:16 - 11.470 HE DID NOT VOLUNTARILY.
03:16 - 14.469 HE DID NOT THE PETITION.
03:16 - 15.470 THANK YOU.
03:16 - 20.459 BASICALLY TRIAL COURT
03:16 - 22.729 ARGUMENT IS APPELLATE DOES NOT
03:16 - 24.439 HAVE STANDING BECAUSE AT THE
03:16 - 26.039 CURRENT TIME OF THE HEARING
03:16 - 27.189 APPELLATE DID NOT STAND IN
03:16 - 28.190 LOCAL PRINT THIS.
03:16 - 30.269 SO THE ISSUE IS IS THE ISSUE
03:16 - 33.549 HERE IS TRIAL COURTS. USE AND
03:16 - 35.169 DEFINITION OF CURRENTLY
03:16 - 37.510 STANDING IN LOCAL PRENTISS SO
03:16 - 40.220 WE CAN SAY THE FACT THAT DHS
03:16 - 42.210 WAS INVOLVED IN THIS CASE
03:16 - 44.049 SHOWERS ARE MOVING DHS THE
03:16 - 45.609 CUSTODY OF THE CHILD THEREFORE
03:16 - 47.719 TO SAY THAT A PELLET DID
03:16 - 49.579 NOT STAND CURRENTLY IN LOCAL
03:16 - 51.380 PRINCE'S IS TO AXE THE POT TOO.
03:16 - 53.600 ACCOMPLISH A
03:16 - 55.059 FEAT THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHED
03:16 - 56.659 ABUL BECAUSE ONCE THE CHEST AND
03:16 - 58.180 THEN THAT BOND
03:16 - 00.109 THAT STAT STANDARD OF A NICKEL
03:17 - 02.339 FOR THIS IS KIND IT SEEMS TO ME
03:17 - 04.810 A VERY SUBTLE WORD GAME.
03:17 - 08.799 IT IT IS I UNDERSTAND THE
03:17 - 11.169 LINE CORRECTLY IF IF I MISS
03:17 - 14.010 UNDERSTAND IT. AT THE TIME.
03:17 - 15.200 AND
03:17 - 19.100 IN PERSON. BILES TOO. DOT
03:17 - 20.730 CORRECT. THEY MUST.
03:17 - 21.930 B.
03:17 - 23.930 IN LOCAL FRIENDS TO THE CHOW
03:17 - 25.149 WELL I DO NOT HAVE
03:17 - 27.989 TO BE SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR A
03:17 - 29.519 PERIOD OF DAYS OR WEEKS OR
03:17 - 31.200 MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.
03:17 - 32.770 SO FOR INSTANCE, THE
03:17 - 35.079 CHILD'S 15, SOMEBODY RAISE A
03:17 - 37.039 CHILD FOR 14 AND A HALF MONTHS
03:17 - 38.369 FOR 6 MONTHS, HE'S BEEN
03:17 - 40.439 INDISPOSED THE 6 MONTHS, THE
03:17 - 42.069 FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT LIVING
03:17 - 43.169 WITH THE CHILD AT THAT POINT
03:17 - 44.289 DOESN'T DESTROYING LOCAL
03:17 - 46.620 PRENTICE ON THE OTHER HAND
03:17 - 47.520 CLOSER TO
03:17 - 49.769 THIS CASE YOU'RE WITH THE CHILD
03:17 - 51.439 FOR 5 YEARS YOU NOT WITH THE
03:17 - 52.550 CHILD FOR 6 YEARS.
03:17 - 54.179 I THINK THERE'S A REAL QUESTION
03:17 - 54.550 IF YOUR
03:17 - 56.799 LOCAL PRACTICE THAT IS THAT
03:17 - 58.329 YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOW
03:17 - 59.370 IN LOCAL PRESS.
03:18 - 03.039 LET ME START BUT YOU ASKED
03:18 - 06.249 ABOUT ADOPTING IN THE ABILITY
03:18 - 07.250 TO ADOPT I
03:18 - 09.199 IT'S CLEAR THAT THE ADOPTIONS
03:18 - 11.209 ACCESS ANYBODY CAN FILE TO
03:18 - 13.499 ADOPT WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE
03:18 - 14.730 ARGUMENT OR THE QUESTION.
03:18 - 17.949 WHY DOES YOUR CLIENT NOT JUST
03:18 - 20.519 FILE A PETITION TO ADOPT AS
03:18 - 21.809 OPPOSED TO A PETITION
03:18 - 23.649 TO INTERVENE AND THEY CARE AND
03:18 - 25.669 ADOPTION BECAUSE AT THAT BUT HE
03:18 - 27.889 WITHDREW IT OR NOT THE COURT.
03:18 - 29.649 YES. JOHN AT THE TIME THE
03:18 - 32.200 REASON WE STARTED WITH IT.
03:18 - 34.659 INTERVENING MOTION WAS THE
03:18 - 36.249 MATERNAL HAD ALREADY FILED AN
03:18 - 37.689 ADOPTION PETITION. THERE WAS
03:18 - 40.420 ALREADY A ADOPTION SOMEWHAT IN
03:18 - 42.119 ADOPTION PROCEEDING SOMEWHAT IN
03:18 - 43.959 PLACE. SO WE WERE FALLING TO
03:18 - 45.359 INTERVENE AND THEN WE ALSO
03:18 - 46.399 FILED THEIR OWN ADOPTION
03:18 - 47.100 PETITION IN A
03:18 - 50.099 DISTINCT ON WITHIN I WANT TO
03:18 - 51.589 SAY LESS THAN A MONTH. WE FILED
03:18 - 53.179 AN ADOPTION OF THE DESCENT TO
03:18 - 55.019 INTERVIEW FIRST DECEMBER THE
03:18 - 56.419 PETITION TO INTERVENE WAS FILED
03:18 - 57.529 JANUARY THE BEGINNING OF
03:18 - 59.800 JANUARY PETITION TO ADOPT
03:18 - 00.959 WITH ONE OUT AND THAT WAS ALL
03:19 - 02.759 PRIOR TO ANY COURT PROCEEDING
03:19 - 04.479 STARTING WHICH BRINGS US TO THE
03:19 - 06.049 INTERESTING ISSUE BEFORE THIS
03:19 - 07.929 COURT AND THE AL QAEDA ISSUE TO
03:19 - 08.300 COURT.
03:19 - 10.459 GRANT IT IS THAT THE TRIAL
03:19 - 12.439 COURT OR BY MISINTERPRETING IN
03:19 - 14.989 THIS APPLYING THE LAW AND OUR
03:19 - 16.270 APPELLATE COURT DECISIONS.
03:19 - 18.649 DENYING CREEPY STANDING TO
03:19 - 19.650 INTERVENE.
03:19 - 21.679 DESPITE AN COUNTRY VERY TO
03:19 - 23.619 PROVE THAT TO BE STOOD IN LOCAL
03:19 - 25.169 PARENT PAY FOR THE SUBJECT
03:19 - 26.509 CHILD BY ASSUMING THE ROLE OF
03:19 - 27.130 DISCHARGING.
03:19 - 29.119 THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHERE
03:19 - 30.440 IS IT IN THE STATUTE.
03:19 - 33.179 BUT THERE IS A NEED OR A
03:19 - 35.489 REQUIREMENT FOR A LOCAL PROGRAM
03:19 - 38.639 TODAY. THE AND A TO INTERVENE
03:19 - 41.400 IN AN ADOPTION. THE ADOPTION.
03:19 - 42.829 ACTOR MEAN THERE'S NO
03:19 - 44.470 REQUIREMENTS AND ADOPTION ACT.
03:19 - 46.559 HOWEVER I THINK THE ISSUE OF
03:19 - 47.769 STANDING IS MORE COURT
03:19 - 50.099 PROCEDURE WHO HAS STANDING TO
03:19 - 52.819 BRING FORTH. A CLAIM A CASE, A
03:19 - 54.820 PETITION. SO
03:19 - 56.219 PROCEDURALLY THAT'S HOW THE
03:19 - 57.919 TRIAL COURT WAS MOVING FORWARD
03:19 - 00.880 IN LOCAL IS REALLY A A A A.
03:20 - 04.180 A TERM OF ART CREATED.
03:20 - 06.839 IN CUSTODY. CORRECT BUT
03:20 - 08.989 YOU'RE NOW YOU'RE ASKING THIS
03:20 - 11.220 COURT TO ADOPT THAT
03:20 - 13.619 CUSTODIAL STANDARD AND THEN THE
03:20 - 14.800 ADOPTION ARENA.
03:20 - 17.499 WE ALL THINK I'M HERE TODAY
03:20 - 19.079 ASKING THE COURT TO ADOPT ANY
03:20 - 20.729 SPECIFIC THING MY ARGUMENT IS
03:20 - 22.260 THAT TRIAL COURT MISS IT.
03:20 - 24.710 MISSED WE APPLIED THE LAW
03:20 - 26.459 BY DENYING MY CLIENT STANDING
03:20 - 27.859 TO EVEN MOVE FORWARD IN THE
03:20 - 29.439 ADOPTION PROCESS THAT WE GOT
03:20 - 30.440 BACK JUST A MOMENT.
03:20 - 32.619 THE THE LOCAL LOCAL PRET
03:20 - 34.939 A STANDARD OR ICE IS WHAT'S
03:20 - 37.109 BEEN COMMON LAW FOR A LONG LONG
03:20 - 40.089 TIME BUT IN PENNSYLVANIA, IT IS
03:20 - 41.429 IN THE CUSTODY
03:20 - 43.759 STATUTE, CORRECT AS A
03:20 - 45.329 REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S NOT IN
03:20 - 47.479 THE ADOPTION. STATUES NO NOT AT
03:20 - 48.480 ALL SO UP
03:20 - 50.779 TO FILE A PETITION FOR ADOPTION
03:20 - 52.679 UNDER PENNSYLVANIA LAW ANY
03:20 - 54.979 PERSON CAN I CAN FILE A
03:20 - 56.839 PETITION TO ROUTES OST YOU
03:20 - 00.009 KNOW STATUTORY LOCAL PREMISE IS
03:21 - 02.219 NOT REQUIRED WES THAT STANDING
03:21 - 03.630 CONCEPT IS NOT REQUIRED.
03:21 - 06.439 HOWEVER I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT
03:21 - 08.440 COURTS HAVE TRADITIONALLY
03:21 - 11.229 VIEWED IN LOCAL PURINA SAYS
03:21 - 12.339 PART OF
03:21 - 15.289 THE ADOPTION. PETITION PROCESS
03:21 - 16.669 OR AT LEAST PART OF THE
03:21 - 17.270 PETITION TO
03:21 - 19.759 INTERVENE PROCESS. AND I WONDER
03:21 - 22.149 IF COULD YOU CLARIFY IS IT
03:21 - 24.179 DIFFERENT AND A PETITION
03:21 - 26.679 FOR ADOPTION. FROM A PETITION
03:21 - 28.919 TO INTERVENE IN AN EXISTING
03:21 - 30.429 ADOPTION PROCEEDING AND I'M
03:21 - 31.809 ASKING WITH HER WITH
03:21 - 34.620 RESPECT TO THIS REQUIREMENT.
03:21 - 38.540 OF LOCAL APPRENTICE WELL
03:21 - 40.370 AS YOUR HONOR IS
03:21 - 43.459 SOMETIMES PROCEDURE HAPPENS AND
03:21 - 44.370 IT'S FOLLOWED AND IT'S NOT
03:21 - 47.429 NECESSARILY LAW. LIKE WE STATED
03:21 - 49.159 THE ADOPTION ACT JUST SET DOES
03:21 - 51.019 SAY ANYONE CAN FILE FOR AN
03:21 - 51.640 ADOPTION.
03:21 - 52.989 I THINK IT'S JUST BECOME
03:21 - 55.220 COMMON LAW AND COMMON PROCEDURE
03:21 - 57.969 THE CERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THIS
03:21 - 00.209 PERSON HAS A VESTED INTEREST TO
03:22 - 02.569 EVEN FILE A GENUINE INTEREST TO
03:22 - 03.570 EVEN FILE
03:22 - 05.229 TO ADOPT THE CHILD SO THEREFORE
03:22 - 06.369 THAT'S WHEN THE WHOLE CONCEPT
03:22 - 07.399 OF A LOCAL PRINT THIS CAME
03:22 - 08.400 INTO.
03:22 - 09.920 INTO MINE.
03:22 - 11.729 SO KIND OF MIGRATED FROM
03:22 - 14.109 CUSTODY CASES OVER TO ADOPTION
03:22 - 15.410 CASES, CORRECT.
03:22 - 17.400 IT YOU'RE NOT HERE TODAY.
03:22 - 19.310 WE TO ARGUE.
03:22 - 21.260 THAT IN
03:22 - 23.739 LOCAL PRENTICE IS NOT NECESSARY
03:22 - 25.039 RATHER YOU'RE HERE TO ARGUE
03:22 - 26.519 THAT YOUR CLIENT IS IN LOCAL
03:22 - 27.090 PRINT THIS.
03:22 - 30.199 THAT IS TRUE I THINK IF IF IF
03:22 - 32.669 YOU KNOW, BUT I'M MY WIFE ARE
03:22 - 34.739 WONDERFUL PARENTS IN THIS SEEMS
03:22 - 36.250 TO BE A THAT WRIST OUT
03:22 - 37.679 AND I THINK WE CAN TAKE BETTER
03:22 - 38.420 CARE THAN
03:22 - 40.269 ANYBODY ELSE. I CAN'T FILE A
03:22 - 41.709 PETITION TO ADOPT HIM AND GET
03:22 - 42.710 TO THE MERITS CAN I.
03:22 - 45.740 TAKE A I'VE
03:22 - 47.059 NEVER MET HIM, I'VE NEVER MET
03:22 - 48.789 ANY OF THEM MY ALL MY EXPOSURE
03:22 - 50.790 IS GETTING READY FOR THIS JUST
03:22 - 52.419 JUST TO CLARIFY YOU'RE SAYING
03:22 - 54.339 YOU'RE TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL
03:22 - 56.299 STRANGER. CORRECT AMONG THE GO
03:22 - 58.519 WHAT LEGAL STRANGER. I AM A
03:22 - 01.469 LITTLE STRANGE. SO YOU COULD
03:23 - 03.639 FILE, BUT YOU WOULD BE DENIED
03:23 - 04.729 BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO KIND OF
03:23 - 05.859 CONNECTION TO THE CHILD THERE
03:23 - 07.179 YOU BE DENIED ON THE MERITS.
03:23 - 08.239 HE WOULDN'T BE DENIED FROM
03:23 - 10.899 STANDING THE STATUTE ANY PERSON
03:23 - 12.640 CORRECT ON THE MERITS.
03:23 - 14.130 WAIT A MINUTE I I'M
03:23 - 16.949 NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE AND THEIR
03:23 - 18.899 QUESTION AS I UNDERSTAND IS I
03:23 - 20.210 UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT.
03:23 - 22.220 I
03:23 - 24.409 THINK THE IT'S IT'S NOT THAT
03:23 - 26.729 ANY INDIVIDUAL CAN FILE IT IN
03:23 - 27.969 THE INDIVIDUAL MAY BECOME AN
03:23 - 30.480 ADOPTIVE THAT'S THAT
03:23 - 32.189 SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE ARE
03:23 - 34.129 TALKING ABOUT HERE IS I
03:23 - 35.130 THOUGHT.
03:23 - 39.469 IN YOUR ASSERTION IS THAT THE
03:23 - 40.530 TRIAL COURT
03:23 - 42.919 FAILED TO WE CONVENE AN
03:23 - 44.860 ADEQUATE HEARING ON STANDING.
03:23 - 46.389 AND THAT YOUR CLIENT SHOULD
03:23 - 46.650 HAVE BEEN
03:23 - 48.629 GRANTED STANDING AND WE'RE NOT
03:23 - 50.599 HERE TO DETERMINE THE MERITS OF
03:23 - 52.219 ANY ADOPTION THAT MAY OR MAY
03:23 - 54.359 NOT OCCUR ONCE THE COURT HEARS
03:23 - 55.549 THE MERE OF MERIT, IT'S
03:23 - 57.579 JUST THAT YOUR CLIENT, YOUR
03:23 - 59.509 CLIENT UNDER INFORMED IT UNDER
03:23 - 01.389 AND LOOK APPRENTICE WAS
03:24 - 02.419 ENTITLED TO A SEAT AT
03:24 - 05.619 THE TABLE. AND WAS IMPROPERLY
03:24 - 07.950 DENIED STANDING IS THAT EXACTLY
03:24 - 10.879 EXACTLY BECAUSE YOUR CLIENT IS
03:24 - 12.759 IN LOCAL CORRECT BECAUSE
03:24 - 14.569 HE DID AND IN LOCAL PRINT
03:24 - 16.059 EDITION. FINALLY FINALLY LET'S
03:24 - 17.830 GET DOWN TO JUST THAT IS OKAY.
03:24 - 19.579 HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE FACT
03:24 - 20.580 THAT THAT.
03:24 - 22.899 THE TRIAL JUDGE FOUND HIM NOT
03:24 - 24.749 TO BE CREDIBLE. I YOU KNOW WE
03:24 - 26.529 ALL READ THE TRIAL JUDGE'S
03:24 - 28.379 OPINION AND UNDERSTAND THAT FOR
03:24 - 29.739 WHATEVER REASON HE APPEARED TO
03:24 - 31.479 BE SOMEWHAT INTOLERANT OF YOUR
03:24 - 33.489 CLIENT, BUT BUT PUTTING THAT
03:24 - 34.749 ASIDE BECAUSE HE STILL THE
03:24 - 36.429 TRIAL JUDGE AND HE MAKES
03:24 - 38.120 CREDIBILITY DETERMINATIONS.
03:24 - 41.080 85 YOU COULD NOT CREDIBLE.
03:24 - 42.759 HE FOUND THAT THE FACTS OF THE
03:24 - 44.379 CASE WHERE THAT YOUR CLIENT HAD
03:24 - 45.949 NOT HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
03:24 - 48.000 CHILD. OVER THE LAST 6 YEARS.
03:24 - 51.639 PRECLUDE A LOCAL PRINT TO
03:24 - 53.999 STANDING. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE
03:24 - 54.930 I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY
03:24 - 55.930 AROUND.
03:24 - 57.260 YES HE DID FIND
03:24 - 59.979 HE DIDN'T MAKE A DISCRETIONARY
03:24 - 01.510 DETERMINATION ON CREDIBILITY
03:25 - 02.420 AND THEN YOU SAID
03:25 - 03.650 I DIDN'T HEAR YOU CORRECTLY
03:25 - 05.179 WHEN YOU SAID THE THING FOUND I
03:25 - 06.719 THOUGHT THAT YOUR CLIENT HAD
03:25 - 08.149 NOT HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
03:25 - 09.869 CHILD OVER THE PAST 6 YEARS
03:25 - 10.870 BEFORE THE HEARING.
03:25 - 13.380 WE KIND AGES 5.11.
03:25 - 16.290 IN REGARDS
03:25 - 20.019 TO THE TRIAL COURT ABSOLUTELY
03:25 - 21.189 HAS DISCRETION TO MAKE A
03:25 - 23.199 CREDIBILITY JUDGMENT, HOWEVER
03:25 - 25.299 FACTS ARE FACTS. THE FACT IS
03:25 - 27.259 THAT THE TALENT LIVE IN THE
03:25 - 28.640 SAME HOME WITH THIS CHILD
03:25 - 30.669 FOR THE FIRST 5 FORMATIVE YEARS
03:25 - 32.409 OF THAT CHILD'S LIFE. HE DID
03:25 - 33.830 DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES FOR HER.
03:25 - 34.500 HE TOOK HER TO A
03:25 - 36.659 DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, EVEN THE
03:25 - 38.550 SITUATION THAT COMMITS THE DHS
03:25 - 40.269 STEPPING IN IT WAS
03:25 - 41.180 A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT THAT A
03:25 - 42.889 PARENT TO THE CHILD TO SO
03:25 - 44.419 HE DID ASSUME RESPONSIBILITIES
03:25 - 45.950 AS A PARENT HE DID COMPLETE
03:25 - 47.520 PARENTAL DUTIES FOR THE CHOP
03:25 - 49.170 THAT'S A FACT BUT THAT'S THE
03:25 - 52.760 THAT THAT'S.
03:25 - 56.139 CONTESTING THE THE ISSUE ON THE
03:25 - 58.899 GROUND THAT I THOUGHT WAS NOT I
03:25 - 00.239 THOUGHT THE ISSUE HERE IS
03:26 - 01.719 WHETHER THERE WAS A LEAK THE
03:26 - 03.699 ISSUE FOR US IS WHETHER THERE
03:26 - 05.600 WAS A LEGAL AIR IN OTHER WORDS.
03:26 - 07.969 THE FIRM. THE TRIAL
03:26 - 10.510 JUDGE SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER.
03:26 - 11.880 IF.
03:26 - 15.809 WAS IN LOCAL PRINTERS FOR THAT
03:26 - 17.939 5 YEARS CORRECT BECAUSE THE
03:26 - 19.869 LAW. SOME IN
03:26 - 22.170 KUWAIT LAW REQUIRES
03:26 - 24.789 CURRENT IN LOCAL PRINT A STATUS
03:26 - 26.359 AND THAT SEEMS TO ME. YES THAT
03:26 - 28.259 IS THE LEGAL ISSUE BEFORE US IS
03:26 - 29.750 WHETHER THAT WAS CORRECT
03:26 - 32.029 AND I I HAVEN'T FOUND
03:26 - 33.030 AUTHORITY.
03:26 - 36.649 FOR WHY CURRENT LOCAL PRINTER
03:26 - 38.719 STATUS IS REQUIRED BECAUSE I
03:26 - 40.039 THINK IT'S ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES
03:26 - 41.670 SUGGESTED THAT WOULD
03:26 - 43.399 OR MAYBE YOU SUGGEST KNOW WOULD
03:26 - 44.489 BE A NON-STARTER
03:26 - 46.049 AND THAT IN THIS PERSON THAT
03:26 - 48.289 THE POSSIBLE FOSTER BECAUSE DHS
03:26 - 49.649 IS INVOLVED IT'S ABSOLUTELY
03:26 - 51.420 IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE.
03:26 - 52.940 OUTSIDE OF DHS
03:26 - 54.799 TO CURRENTLY HAVE THE IN LOCAL
03:26 - 56.459 PRINT THE STATUS BECAUSE ONE 76
03:26 - 58.149 YEAR GAP HERE RIGHT IT THERE IS
03:26 - 59.469 A 6 CARE GAP IN THE WERE IN THE
03:26 - 01.439 LAW DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT
03:27 - 02.020 THERE MUST BE A
03:27 - 03.889 ONE-DAY GAP A ONE-WEEK APP 6
03:27 - 05.589 THAT GETS THE GAPS IN A ROW,
03:27 - 07.519 BUT THE QUESTION IS AT THE
03:27 - 08.969 MOMENT HE FILED
03:27 - 10.050 THE PETITION.
03:27 - 12.399 WAS HE STANDING IN LOCAL
03:27 - 13.400 PRINT THIS.
03:27 - 17.279 AT THE MOMENT, NOBLE, HOWEVER,
03:27 - 18.409 THAT IS NOT THE QUESTIONS
03:27 - 19.420 THAT'S NOT THE LAW.
03:27 - 21.370 RIGHT BACK BUT THAT STICK
03:27 - 22.929 THAT'S WHAT JUSTICE WHERE
03:27 - 24.309 THAT'S AT THE TRIAL
03:27 - 27.249 COURT FOUND. THE EXACT HE'S GOT
03:27 - 28.519 THE CHIEF JUSTICE JUST
03:27 - 31.069 ARTICULATE DID HE STAND IN
03:27 - 33.460 CURRENT GROUP IN LOCAL STATUS.
03:27 - 36.909 DESPITE A 6 YEAR ABSENCE IN THE
03:27 - 38.020 QUESTION WOULD BE.
03:27 - 41.239 IS THAT THE ABANDONMENT OF
03:27 - 43.889 THIS LEGALLY RECOGNIZABLE
03:27 - 46.009 STATUS. THE QUESTION THAT I
03:27 - 47.559 WOULD HAVE TO THAT IS IT FOR
03:27 - 50.479 TAKING CONSIDERATION OF POST
03:27 - 53.619 SEPARATION IN OUR TERMINATION
03:27 - 56.069 PROCEEDINGS, 2511 A ONE GIVE
03:27 - 57.740 GENTLE ALLOTMENT OF 6 MONTHS.
03:27 - 00.160 WHY SHOULD WE NOT CONSIDER.
03:28 - 01.110 POST
03:28 - 03.499 SEPARATION CONTACT IN WHETHER
03:28 - 05.309 THEY SHOULD BE REUNITED WITH
03:28 - 06.310 THE CHILD.
03:28 - 08.859 WHY ON AN ORDER TO ARGUE THAT
03:28 - 10.429 I'M GOING TO BRING INTO ACCOUNT
03:28 - 12.040 SOME FACTS. SO.
03:28 - 15.249 SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ARGUED OR
03:28 - 16.509 REALLY TOUCHED UPON IS THE FACT
03:28 - 17.839 THAT A PILOT HAS ALWAYS BEEN
03:28 - 19.509 HERE THROUGHOUT THE THE
03:28 - 20.779 DEPENDENCY PROCEED IN A POLL
03:28 - 21.979 HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT ONE POINT IN
03:28 - 23.179 TIME A PILL AND VISITS WITH
03:28 - 24.460 THE CHILD. A
03:28 - 26.559 PELLETS THAT GIFT TO THE APPEAL
03:28 - 28.699 HAS ALWAYS TRIED ON HIS AND HOW
03:28 - 29.979 TO LET ME INTERRUPT YOU, YEAH,
03:28 - 31.469 I DON'T WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE
03:28 - 32.719 LEGAL QUESTION BY CHANGING THE
03:28 - 33.720 FACTS.
03:28 - 36.040 I THINK THE QUESTION TO ASK
03:28 - 38.800 IT IS THE SHOW HYPOTHETICALLY
03:28 - 40.409 THAT HE SAW THE CHILD FOR THE
03:28 - 42.099 FIRST 5 YEARS YOU NOT SEE THE
03:28 - 43.440 CHILD FOR THE NEXT 6 YEARS.
03:28 - 45.599 SO FOR THE FIRST 5 YEARS
03:28 - 46.809 HE ESTABLISHED THE LOCAL
03:28 - 48.309 PRACTICE DIRECTOR OVER THE NEXT
03:28 - 49.399 6 YEARS HE WAS NOT
03:28 - 51.669 LOCAL PRESS AT THE TIME HE TOOK
03:28 - 53.289 HIS PERFECT HIS PETITION FOR
03:28 - 55.389 ADOPTION DOWN TO THE 5 OF
03:28 - 55.890 OFFICE AND
03:28 - 58.539 HANDED IT WHAT DOES HE MAINTAIN
03:28 - 00.189 HIS IN THE LOCAL PRESS FROM 5
03:29 - 02.170 YEARS PAST THE SUNNI 6 YEARS.
03:29 - 04.309 YOUR HONOR AS YOU STATED TO
03:29 - 05.389 ME THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS YOU
03:29 - 06.700 CAN'T CHANGE THE FACT THE FACTS
03:29 - 08.739 IS THE FACT THAT HE DID STAND
03:29 - 11.149 IN LOCAL PRINT THIS. REGARDLESS
03:29 - 12.929 OF THE 6 YEAR GET AT ONE POINT
03:29 - 13.949 IN TIME HE STOOD IN LOCAL
03:29 - 14.620 PARENT SAYS.
03:29 - 16.259 I THINK WE'RE FINALLY GETTING
03:29 - 17.719 THERE IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT
03:29 - 19.759 ONCE YOU OBTAIN IN LOCAL
03:29 - 21.659 PRENTICE STATUS. YOU NEVER LOSE
03:29 - 23.000 IT. YES.
03:29 - 24.559 BUT I MEAN IF YOU CAN PROVE
03:29 - 25.689 THAT YOU STOOD IN LOCAL
03:29 - 27.430 PRINCESS AND YOU HAVE A GENUINE
03:29 - 30.939 RIGHT TO FILE SOME KIND OF
03:29 - 32.659 ADOPTION PROCEEDING. IF YOU
03:29 - 33.660 HAVE IT.
03:29 - 36.339 THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH IF YOU'RE
03:29 - 37.609 THE BIOLOGICAL MOM AND
03:29 - 39.739 THE CHILD. YOU NEVER LOSE IT OR
03:29 - 41.079 ANYTHING WE WANT TO SAY THANK
03:29 - 42.849 YOU BY THE LOCAL FRIEND CORRECT
03:29 - 43.460 BECAUSE I MEAN.
03:29 - 45.119 AS WE PREVIOUS THEY THE FACTS
03:29 - 46.589 ARE FACTS. YOU CAN'T GO BACK
03:29 - 48.349 AND RETHINK THE PAST. HE STOOD
03:29 - 49.979 IN LOCAL PRESS FOR THIS CHILD I
03:29 - 51.199 DO CONCEDE THAT THERE WAS A
03:29 - 52.400 SIX-YEAR GAP.
03:29 - 54.769 BUT HOWEVER THERE WAS NEVER AN
03:29 - 56.050 ABANDONMENT AS.
03:29 - 58.160 OTHER COUNCILS WOULD LIKE
03:29 - 59.679 COUNCIL LIKE IT IS
03:29 - 02.489 AND THAT THE THING ABOUT THOSE
03:30 - 03.609 FACTS ABOUT THOSE
03:30 - 04.840 6 YEAR FAXON.
03:30 - 06.629 THOSE WILL BE MERITS ISSUES
03:30 - 08.029 RESURRECT THAT'S THE POINT
03:30 - 09.939 WHERE HERE ON STANDING IS NOT
03:30 - 10.580 RIGHT FOR IT.
03:30 - 12.559 WE'RE BASICALLY HERE MY
03:30 - 13.420 OPPONENT IS TRYING TO GET
03:30 - 13.950 THROUGH THE DOOR
03:30 - 15.249 ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THE DOOR
03:30 - 16.539 THEN THERE'S ANOTHER EVALUATION
03:30 - 18.109 THAT'S DONE ON THE MERITS AND A
03:30 - 19.060 LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE
03:30 - 20.529 BEEN BROUGHT UP TO KEEP HIM
03:30 - 21.510 FROM EVEN COMING THROUGH THE
03:30 - 23.119 DOOR, OUR MARRIAGE ISSUES THAT
03:30 - 24.579 SHOULD BE DETERMINED AND ACTUAL
03:30 - 26.009 ADOPTION HEARING WHETHER OR NOT
03:30 - 27.449 THE CHILD CAN SENSE WHETHER OR
03:30 - 28.440 NOT IT'S IN THE CHILD'S BEST
03:30 - 29.719 INTEREST WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S
03:30 - 31.409 ACTUALLY A BOND. IT DOESN'T
03:30 - 32.610 CHANGE THE FACTS THAT
03:30 - 34.219 HE HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO WALK
03:30 - 35.000 THROUGH THE DOOR ONCE THE
03:30 - 35.990 TICKET TO GET INTO THE
03:30 - 36.810 SHOP DIRECT.
03:30 - 40.489 WE ASK I ASKED THIS EARLIER
03:30 - 42.679 AND IF IF YOU ANSWER FORGIVE ME
03:30 - 44.069 BECAUSE I WE
03:30 - 46.679 DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER
03:30 - 47.680 IF YOU DID.
03:30 - 50.249 WITH RESPECT TO STANDING WHICH
03:30 - 50.620 IS WHAT WE'RE
03:30 - 52.939 FOCUSED ON IS THERE A DIFFERENT
03:30 - 55.949 STANDARD IN TERMS OF STAND
03:30 - 59.169 STANDING 4 FILING THE PETITION
03:30 - 01.029 FOR ADOPTION AND FILING THE
03:31 - 02.220 PETITION TO INTERVENE.
03:31 - 05.849 STANDING IS NOT SOMETHING
03:31 - 07.479 THAT OUTLINED AND ADOPTIONS
03:31 - 09.010 THAT REGARDS TO WHO CAN FILE.
03:31 - 12.490 APPELLATE HAD A RIGHT TO FIGHT.
03:31 - 15.039 HE WAS PRECLUDE IT FROM
03:31 - 16.999 FALLING. A PETITION FOR A DOG
03:31 - 18.389 PETITION FOR A DOT OKAY AND
03:31 - 19.439 THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE
03:31 - 19.940 PETITION
03:31 - 20.940 TO INTERVENE.
03:31 - 22.609 AND IN REGARDS TO PETITION TO
03:31 - 25.149 INTERVENE THE PROCESS THAT THE
03:31 - 26.150 TRIAL COURT.
03:31 - 27.939 CONDUCT IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT
03:31 - 29.879 HE HAD STANDING TO INTERVENE
03:31 - 32.069 RIGHT. SO I'M ASKING WHERE ARE
03:31 - 33.849 THEY DIFFERENT IS THERE A
03:31 - 34.850 DIFFERENCE.
03:31 - 39.089 I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE FOR
03:31 - 40.939 YOU GOT FOR ME THROUGH LIFE
03:31 - 42.759 SIDE CORRECT WERE ALSO THE
03:31 - 45.119 FIRST MAJOR 2327 WHO MAY
03:31 - 46.820 INTERVENE AT THE TO THAT.
03:31 - 47.960 IT'S A BIT.
03:31 - 49.689 WHO MAY INTERVENE
03:31 - 52.589 A PERSON WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN
03:31 - 53.640 ORIGINALLY JOINED.
03:31 - 54.510 WHERE COULD
03:31 - 57.009 HAVE BEEN OR A DETERMINATION
03:31 - 58.809 THAT THE PERSON HAS A LEGALLY
03:31 - 00.939 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST. SO THE
03:32 - 02.549 DEFINITION OF LEGALLY
03:32 - 05.049 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST HAS BEEN
03:32 - 07.249 BROUGHT INTO THE ADOPTION
03:32 - 10.020 ARENA. UNDER THE ARMOR.
03:32 - 13.699 IN PER ENT A CORRECT. DESPITE
03:32 - 14.700 THE DEARTH.
03:32 - 16.270 OF LAW.
03:32 - 18.499 WHERE THIS COURT IMPRIMATUR
03:32 - 20.079 OVER THE USE OF A
03:32 - 22.119 CUSTODY STANDARD AND AN
03:32 - 24.579 ADOPTION PROCEEDING. AND THAT'S
03:32 - 26.119 THE ISSUE BEFORE THE COURT
03:32 - 27.499 TODAY. AS I
03:32 - 29.779 SAY IT AS JUSTICE WECHT HAS
03:32 - 32.379 INDICATED IT'S VERY MYOPIC IT'S
03:32 - 34.679 IS THERE STANDING DOES HE STAND
03:32 - 35.680 IN LOCAL
03:32 - 39.779 BASED UPON THE ACQUIRED HE'S A
03:32 - 42.009 SUDDEN THE KIDS SUMPTION OF
03:32 - 43.859 THOSE DUTIES AND HIS DISCHARGE
03:32 - 46.120 OF THOSE YEAH CORRECT JUST A
03:32 - 47.920 IT
03:32 - 50.409 COUNSEL BOB I THINK I'M I'M I'M
03:32 - 51.809 A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT
03:32 - 53.249 MAYBE WHAT YOUR CONCESSION NEWS
03:32 - 55.339 HERE ON ANY TIME THIS
03:32 - 57.449 PETITION TAKE THE STANDING
03:32 - 59.339 TO INTERVENE WHERE ISIS
03:32 - 02.009 STANDING TO FILE A PETITION FOR
03:33 - 03.950 ADOPTION IN FIRST INSTANCE.
03:33 - 06.749 IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT THEY
03:33 - 08.590 ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.
03:33 - 11.500 IT'S MY POSITION THAT ON ITS
03:33 - 13.819 BASE AND I APOLOGIZE TO
03:33 - 15.779 BE REDUNDANT. THE ADOPTION NEXT
03:33 - 17.770 JUST AS ANYBODY CAN FILE WE.
03:33 - 19.900 WE ENDED UP DOING BOTH BECAUSE
03:33 - 20.790 THERE WAS ALREADY IN THE
03:33 - 22.429 DASCHLE DIDN'T FILE AND MAYBE
03:33 - 24.309 MAYBE I'M NOT MAKING MY MY
03:33 - 25.390 QUESTION CLEAR.
03:33 - 28.899 IF YOU HAVE STANDING TO FILE
03:33 - 30.380 AN ADOPTION PETITION
03:33 - 34.339 BECAUSE THE ADOPTION STATUTE ON
03:33 - 35.000 ITS FACE
03:33 - 37.849 STATES NOT PRECLUDE ANYONE FROM
03:33 - 39.710 FILING AND ADOPTION PETITION.
03:33 - 41.909 AND YOU HAVE FILED AN
03:33 - 44.619 ADOPTION PETITION. WHY DOESN'T
03:33 - 46.539 THAT AUTOMATICALLY GIVE YOU
03:33 - 48.220 STANDING TO INTERVENE.
03:33 - 50.289 I HAVE BEEN EXISTING RIGHT.
03:33 - 51.319 THAT'S YOU'RE TRYING
03:33 - 54.649 TO EXERCISE AN OUTSTANDING
03:33 - 56.119 PROCEDURE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
03:33 - 57.100 TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
03:33 - 59.789 AN ADOPTION. AND YOU WANT TO
03:33 - 00.999 INTERVENE IN
03:34 - 03.729 ANOTHER ADOPTION. PRECEDING
03:34 - 06.250 BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT
03:34 - 08.239 YOU'RE RIGHT TO PROCEED ON YOUR
03:34 - 09.489 OWN PETITION IS GOING TO BE
03:34 - 10.490 INTERFERED WITH.
03:34 - 12.849 WHY DO WE LOOK AT ENLOE
03:34 - 14.179 CO-PARENT THIS OR ANYTHING
03:34 - 14.570 ELSE.
03:34 - 17.369 WELL I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE
03:34 - 19.440 ARE. I WOULD AGREE
03:34 - 21.710 THAT THE THE PILOT HAD A RIGHT
03:34 - 24.179 FILE AND THEREFORE THAT BY
03:34 - 25.180 ITSELF SHOULD
03:34 - 26.799 TAKING HIM TO THE NEXT LEVEL
03:34 - 28.229 WHICH IS A HEARING ON THE
03:34 - 29.909 MERITS. WELL I'M SAYING IT
03:34 - 31.859 TAKES HIM TO THE NEXT LEVEL IN
03:34 - 33.639 THIS SITUATION EVERY CASE HE
03:34 - 34.760 GETS TO INTERVENE.
03:34 - 35.860 YES.
03:34 - 38.700 I'M IN SAYING YES HAHA.
03:34 - 40.840 I MEAN
03:34 - 42.579 ABSOLUTELY AGREEMENT WITH THAT
03:34 - 45.189 BUT THE SEA IN THAT CONTEXT TO
03:34 - 46.759 THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF LOCAL IN
03:34 - 48.459 LOCO PER AND KISS WHICH WE HAVE
03:34 - 50.979 NEVER BLAST THAT WHOLE ISSUE
03:34 - 51.970 IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS
03:34 - 52.970 EQUATION.
03:34 - 55.349 WELL I I THINK I THINK IT HAS
03:34 - 56.369 RELEVANCE FOR THE REASONS THAT
03:34 - 58.279 JUSTICE DAUGHERTY HAD INDICATED
03:34 - 58.690 THAT
03:34 - 59.690 THAT BECAUSE.
03:34 - 00.620 BECAUSE UNDER THE RULES OF
03:35 - 01.590 CIVIL PROCEDURE DEALING WITH
03:35 - 02.639 INTERVENTION YOU NEED TO HAVE A
03:35 - 04.090 LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE INTEREST
03:35 - 05.419 SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE
03:35 - 06.410 TRYING TO VINDICATE YOU
03:35 - 09.139 CAN'T BE. YOU KNOW I WOULD YOU
03:35 - 10.379 SAY IT WAS STRANGE LEGAL
03:35 - 11.360 STRANGER TO
03:35 - 14.049 THE CASE. AND IN LOCAL PARENT
03:35 - 16.429 IS IS A WAY TO NOT BE A LEGAL
03:35 - 17.679 STRANGER TO THE CASE SUCH THAT
03:35 - 18.680 YOU CAN FILTER.
03:35 - 20.909 BUT THERE COULD BE OTHER WAYS
03:35 - 22.609 TO NOT BE LEGAL STRANGER AS
03:35 - 24.230 WELL, MAYBE ONE OF THEM.
03:35 - 26.540 YOU ALSO HAVE A PENDING
03:35 - 29.060 PETITION FOR ADOPTION. CORRECT.
03:35 - 32.349 IT BECOMES CIRCULAR AT SOME
03:35 - 34.619 POINT BECAUSE IT UNDER SUCH A
03:35 - 36.480 RATIONALE ANY LEGAL STRANGER
03:35 - 38.479 COULD THEN GET STANDING BY
03:35 - 41.089 VIRTUE OF SIMPLY. THROWING IN A
03:35 - 42.530 PETITION OVER THE TRANSOM
03:35 - 45.369 SO ULTIMATELY THE COURT'S GOING
03:35 - 46.749 TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT STAND IN
03:35 - 47.989 THE TERMINATION WHETHER THE
03:35 - 50.590 PERSON IS IN LOCAL APPRENTICE
03:35 - 52.049 AND SO THEY AGAIN I COME BACK
03:35 - 53.569 TO THAT THE LEGAL ISSUE IT
03:35 - 54.570 SEEMS TO ME
03:35 - 56.589 IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS TRIAL.
03:35 - 58.439 JUDGE WAS CORRECT TO SAY YOU
03:35 - 58.590 HAVE
03:35 - 00.229 TO HAVE CURRENT IN LOCAL
03:36 - 01.859 PRENTICE STATUS, SOMETHING THAT
03:36 - 03.419 SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN THEY'RE
03:36 - 04.380 BEEN TO WIN THERE'S BEEN A
03:36 - 07.200 DEPENDENCY AND TV OURS CORRECT.
03:36 - 13.670 ANYTHING YOU WANT
03:36 - 16.170 TO ADD IN INCOME KNOW YOU'RE
03:36 - 19.059 I APPRECIATE I THINK YOU
03:36 - 22.199 AGREE WITH ALL OF MAY I
03:36 - 25.049 ASK CHARLES SR, IT'S JUST YOUR
03:36 - 26.369 FIRST TIME ARGUING BEFORE THE
03:36 - 28.529 COURT IT IS WE DID A VERY NICE
03:36 - 30.290 JOB LAST TIME
03:36 - 34.449 THANK YOU YOU'RE HONESTLY WHERE
03:36 - 37.699 WE WEREN'T SO BAD NOT AT THANK
03:36 - 40.960 YOU. KIM ALREADY HIT.
03:36 - 51.349 GOOD AFTERNOON MAY PLEASE
03:36 - 53.259 THE COURT KATHLEEN KIM COUNSEL
03:36 - 54.619 FOR THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA
03:36 - 56.480 DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES.
03:36 - 58.409 I WILL BE SHARING MY TIME WITH
03:36 - 59.629 THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM
03:36 - 01.999 JUDY SPRINGER FOR THIS ARGUMENT
03:37 - 04.029 I WILL BE ADDRESSING A STANDING
03:37 - 05.949 AND LOCAL PRENTICE ISSUES WHILE
03:37 - 06.110 MY
03:37 - 08.329 COLLEAGUE BULL FOCUS ON ISSUES
03:37 - 09.719 RELATED TO THE BEST INTERESTS
03:37 - 10.720 OF THE CHILD.
03:37 - 14.559 I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF WITH
03:37 - 16.300 THE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE LAW
03:37 - 18.529 THAT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF THE
03:37 - 20.120 QUESTIONS THAT MIS CHARLES SR
03:37 - 22.579 RECEIVED I DID WANT TO POINT
03:37 - 24.549 OUT THAT WHILE THE ADOPTION ACT
03:37 - 25.839 WHICH GOVERNS ADOPTION
03:37 - 28.280 PROCEEDINGS. SECTION
03:37 - 31.239 2312 STATES ANY INDIVIDUAL MAY
03:37 - 32.649 BECOME AN ADOPTIVE PARENT AS
03:37 - 33.990 JUSTICE WECHT POINTED OUT.
03:37 - 36.760 WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER
03:37 - 39.689 THAT ARE. BUT I'D LIKE TO
03:37 - 44.320 POINT TO FOR AND
03:37 - 47.709 2531 C. ARE SECTIONS THAT
03:37 - 48.890 THE LEGISLATURE.
03:37 - 51.929 IMPLEMENTED STATING THAT THE
03:37 - 54.049 CURRENT CAREGIVER OR CERTAIN
03:37 - 55.149 FAMILY MEMBERS SUCH AS A
03:37 - 56.879 GRANDPARENT AUNT UNCLE STEP
03:37 - 58.740 PARENT CAN FILE TO ADOPT.
03:37 - 01.419 THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN
03:38 - 02.420 WE HAVE
03:38 - 04.409 A DEPENDENT CHILD LIKE WE DO IN
03:38 - 06.520 THIS CASE. YOU
03:38 - 07.910 BOTH
03:38 - 10.899 UNDER 2711 A ONE THE ADOPTEE
03:38 - 12.469 MUST CONSENT IF THEY ARE 12 OR
03:38 - 13.860 OVER AND UNDER
03:38 - 19.029 THE GUARDIAN OR WHOEVER HAS
03:38 - 20.179 CUSTODY WHICH IN THIS CASE WITH
03:38 - 22.279 THE DHS MUST ALSO CONSENT TO
03:38 - 24.059 THE ADOPTION. NOWHERE IN THE
03:38 - 24.890 SENATE HAVE TO DO WITH
03:38 - 25.890 STANDING.
03:38 - 28.310 I BELIEVE IT COMES
03:38 - 30.999 IN COMMON LAW SO WHEN JUSTICE
03:38 - 32.359 DON HE WAS ASKING HUERTAS IN
03:38 - 34.170 LOCAL PRENTICE COME IN WE
03:38 - 36.349 SPIRIT COURT CASE LAW THAT
03:38 - 38.779 STATES YOU EITHER NEED TO HAVE
03:38 - 40.909 CONSENT OR SOME
03:38 - 42.419 SORT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
03:38 - 43.489 CHILD AND THAT'S WHERE IN LOCAL
03:38 - 45.199 PRENTICE CAME IN A SHOW THAT
03:38 - 46.050 YOU CURRENTLY STAND IN
03:38 - 47.929 LOCAL PRENTICE THE COUNCIL CAN
03:38 - 49.519 I FOLLOW UP ON THAT YES I'M
03:38 - 51.249 GOING TO BE SUPERIOR COURT SAD
03:38 - 52.030 BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SAID
03:38 - 53.689 ANYTHING BUT HOW ABOUT IF THE
03:38 - 55.089 SUPERIOR COURT WHEN HE SAID YOU
03:38 - 56.649 KNOW WHAT YOU NEED YOU NEED
03:38 - 57.650 A BOND.
03:38 - 59.419 YOU KNOW THE KIND OF BOND
03:38 - 01.049 THAT WE LOOK FOR IN TERMINATION
03:39 - 02.720 OF PARENTAL RIGHTS CASES.
03:39 - 05.539 I MEAN IF IF YOU'RE GETTING
03:39 - 07.229 MAKE SOMETHING UP THAT'S NOT IN
03:39 - 08.620 THE STATUTE WOULDN'T BACK
03:39 - 12.859 ANOTHER WAY OF ICE TAB LISTING
03:39 - 13.580 ON THIS
03:39 - 17.470 PREDICATE TO BEING ABLE TO GOT
03:39 - 19.760 I'M JUST PROBING FOR THIS IDEA
03:39 - 22.799 I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
03:39 - 24.059 THIS IN LOCO PRENTICE
03:39 - 26.379 REQUIREMENT AS THOUGH BLACK
03:39 - 28.390 LETTER LAW IT'S NOT
03:39 - 31.069 AND AND YOU KNOW
03:39 - 33.319 IT IS EMBEDDED IN THIS CASE AND
03:39 - 34.629 THAT YOU KNOW MAYBE WE HAVE TO
03:39 - 35.520 TALK ABOUT IT THAT
03:39 - 37.629 WAY BUT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT
03:39 - 40.010 THAT IS NOT IN THE STATUTE,
03:39 - 41.180 CORRECT.
03:39 - 43.869 YES, I IT IT'S IN
03:39 - 46.539 COMMON LAW. THE IN LOCAL WELL
03:39 - 47.850 IN THE STATUTE, THE STATUTE
03:39 - 49.210 DELINEATES ON.
03:39 - 52.959 THE BOOK WAS RIGHT IN THE
03:39 - 54.599 CUSTODY STATUE BUT NOT THE
03:39 - 55.600 ADOPTION.
03:39 - 58.909 IT IT AND YOU MAY YOU
03:39 - 01.119 MAY OPEN MY EYES AND THE WAY
03:40 - 02.869 HERE ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE
03:40 - 04.719 DON'T LOOK AT THE OPENING
03:40 - 06.639 SECTION OF THE ADOPTION AT TO
03:40 - 08.049 LOOK FOR IS STANDING
03:40 - 09.309 REQUIREMENT. WE
03:40 - 12.279 LOOK TO SUBSEQUENT INFECTIONS
03:40 - 13.329 WHICH ACTUALLY
03:40 - 16.359 SET FORTH. WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE
03:40 - 18.109 TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BECOME MANY
03:40 - 20.059 GOT THE PARENT, CORRECT YOUR
03:40 - 21.570 HONOR SO THE SO.
03:40 - 24.069 YOU WOULD NOT TO GRIEVE AND
03:40 - 25.909 THAT ANYONE HAS STANDING TO
03:40 - 27.340 FILE AN ADOPTION PETITION.
03:40 - 33.390 GOING
03:40 - 34.719 FURTHER INTO THAT I THINK YOU
03:40 - 36.799 ARE REFERRING TO THE AUTOMATIC
03:40 - 39.669 STANDING PROVISIONS THE STATUTE
03:40 - 41.579 THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO WITH
03:40 - 44.179 GRANDPARENTS AND SO BLESSED
03:40 - 46.289 SIBLINGS STEP, YES, THOSE WERE
03:40 - 48.139 THE ONLY WAY TO ANSWER MY
03:40 - 50.159 QUESTION WHEN WOULD YOU THEN
03:40 - 52.019 GET TO AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT
03:40 - 54.759 THAT NOT EVERYONE HAS STANDING
03:40 - 56.709 TO FILE AN ADOPTION PETITION
03:40 - 57.870 UNDER THE STATUTE.
03:41 - 04.139 I I BELIEVE I WOULD DISAGREE
03:41 - 06.669 WITH THAT THAT THE THE
03:41 - 08.659 POINT IS DID THE STATUES THAT
03:41 - 10.049 ANY PERSON MAY BE COMING TO
03:41 - 11.509 ADOPTING PARENT, THE COURT
03:41 - 11.990 STILL HAS
03:41 - 14.539 THE OBLIGATION. DETERMINED
03:41 - 16.639 STANDING WHEN IT'S NOT OBVIOUS
03:41 - 19.650 OKAY. SO THE THE THE.
03:41 - 22.429 A REFERENCE TO PARENT THAT YOU
03:41 - 24.459 MADE A MOMENT AGO. IS THE
03:41 - 25.900 UNQUESTIONED BANKING BECAUSE IT
03:41 - 28.519 COMES PALIN'S POSITION, I'M A
03:41 - 30.619 PARENT. SO COURT YOU
03:41 - 32.519 MUST DETERMINE WHETHER I'M A
03:41 - 34.379 PARENT BY VIRTUE OF BEING IN
03:41 - 36.089 LOCAL PRESS MEANS IN THE
03:41 - 37.879 POSITION OF BEING A PARENT AND
03:41 - 39.989 THEN THE LEGAL QUESTION IS YOU
03:41 - 42.380 KNOW WEATHER THAT IS
03:41 - 45.110 THAT IS FORECLOSED TO PEOPLE
03:41 - 47.140 WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY LEGALLY.
03:41 - 48.040 WE WERE NOT
03:41 - 50.349 CURRENTLY IN LOCAL PREMISE
03:41 - 52.489 BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS FOR
03:41 - 54.000 THE JUDGE TO DETERMINE.
03:41 - 58.319 RIGHT WELL IN THIS CASE
03:41 - 01.739 I BELIEVE IF IN THIS CASE TV
03:42 - 03.790 HAD FILED A MOTION TO INTERVENE
03:42 - 06.239 STATING THAT THEY HAD THAT HE
03:42 - 07.240 HAD STANDING
03:42 - 09.639 IN LOCAL PRENTISS AND WHAT
03:42 - 10.640 THE TRIAL COURT
03:42 - 13.779 DID WHICH TRIAL COURT DID WAS
03:42 - 14.879 LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE
03:42 - 16.329 CIRCUMSTANCES TO DETERMINE
03:42 - 17.330 WHETHER TV.
03:42 - 19.029 ACTUALLY STOOD AND LOCAL
03:42 - 20.379 PRENTICE IN THIS CASE, THE
03:42 - 22.159 TRIAL COURT FOUND THAT HE DID
03:42 - 23.749 NOT AND THEREFORE HE DID NOT
03:42 - 26.089 HAVE STANDING AND IN
03:42 - 28.619 DETERMINING WHETHER HE STOOD IN
03:42 - 29.950 LOCAL PRACTICE HE HAD TO LOOK
03:42 - 31.669 NOT ONLY AT THE POST SEPARATION
03:42 - 33.279 CONTACT WHICH WAS MENTIONED
03:42 - 35.089 EARLIER BUT ALSO AT THE PRE
03:42 - 37.229 SEPARATION CONTACT WHICH IS
03:42 - 38.230 WHAT TV.
03:42 - 40.169 I BELIEVE THE TRIAL COURT DID
03:42 - 42.149 NOT CONSIDER THE FIRST 5 YEARS
03:42 - 43.809 BUT. THE RECORD
03:42 - 45.389 REFLECTS THAT THE TRIAL COURT
03:42 - 46.909 HEARD ALL THAT INFORMATION
03:42 - 49.950 CONSIDERED AT ALL. BUT.
03:42 - 53.659 6 YEARS HAD PASSED AND THIS
03:42 - 54.810 CHILD HAD NO.
03:42 - 57.790 THAT TV
03:42 - 00.319 HAD NOT TAKEN ON PARENTAL
03:43 - 02.179 STATUS OR DISCHARGE PRINT OUT
03:43 - 04.179 PUZZLES LET'S PROBE THAT WELL
03:43 - 05.369 THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE FOR
03:43 - 06.800 YOU WOULD YOU
03:43 - 08.899 I AGREE THAT MORE THAN ONE
03:43 - 10.789 PERSON CAN CARRY AND IN LOCAL
03:43 - 12.040 PREVENT A STATUS.
03:43 - 13.860 IN AN ADOPTION PROCEEDING.
03:43 - 21.120 THE POSSIBLE YES.
03:43 - 24.089 AND THEN AGENCY CASE FOR WHICH
03:43 - 25.150 IS YOUR GROUND.
03:43 - 30.040 IS THE PARENT STANDING IN LOCAL
03:43 - 32.609 IF NOT THE GUARDIAN PURSUANT TO
03:43 - 32.990 DEPEND A
03:43 - 35.049 COURT ORDER. YES, STAND AND
03:43 - 37.359 LOOK NOW YOUR POSITION IS THAT
03:43 - 38.890 YOU ARE AGAINST.
03:43 - 44.389 FROM HAVING THE LEGAL LEGALLY
03:43 - 46.029 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST TO
03:43 - 47.030 INTERVENE
03:43 - 50.129 BASED UPON HIS ALLEGED
03:43 - 52.949 ABANDONMENT OF HIS I LP STATUS.
03:43 - 55.470 YES, YET IN THAT.
03:43 - 58.770 PIERRE THE BASES ARE PART OF
03:43 - 01.419 THAT IN STRANGE MUNDT WAS AT
03:44 - 03.800 THE BEHEST OF YOUR CLIENT
03:44 - 05.629 WAS IT NOT BY GETTING A
03:44 - 08.270 PROTECTIVE ORDER. AND FAILING
03:44 - 10.340 TO NOTIFY THIS PERSON
03:44 - 12.709 AS TO ANY OF THE PROCEEDINGS
03:44 - 12.960 THAT WERE
03:44 - 14.949 GOING ON AS A RESULT THAT
03:44 - 16.149 DEPENDENCY PROCEEDING AS A
03:44 - 18.889 RESULT OF THE NOT BEING PART
03:44 - 19.890 AND PARCEL.
03:44 - 22.359 WELL WE'RE JUST THAT YOU GUYS
03:44 - 23.999 HAVE APART DID YOUR CLIENT GET
03:44 - 26.800 TO STAY AWAY FROM T B WITH THE
03:44 - 30.850 I BELIEVE TO ANSWER THAT
03:44 - 32.609 QUESTION I WOULD HAVE TO GO OFF
03:44 - 32.840 OFF
03:44 - 33.840 THE RECORD.
03:44 - 35.619 THAT'S BEEN IT WOULD HAVE TO
03:44 - 36.420 UP THE RECORD IT'S IN THE
03:44 - 37.420 BREEZE.
03:44 - 39.999 IT'S IN THE BREEZE, BUT THERE
03:44 - 42.639 IS A STAY AWAY. STAY AWAY AT
03:44 - 44.569 THE REQUEST OF THE UNFOUNDED
03:44 - 47.539 ALLEGATION OF ABUSE AGAINST TB
03:44 - 48.540 AND HIS MOTHER.
03:44 - 51.819 AND THEN IT'S FURTHER INDICATE
03:44 - 53.250 IT WITH THAT.
03:44 - 55.909 HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE
03:44 - 57.149 PROCEEDINGS BECAUSE HE'S NOT A
03:44 - 59.139 NAMED PARTY. AND YOU GUYS ARE
03:44 - 00.450 NOT RECOGNIZING HIM
03:45 - 02.519 WE'RE INFORMING HIM BECAUSE OF
03:45 - 03.899 A STAY AWAY, BUT YOU WANT TO
03:45 - 05.300 USE THAT INFORMATION
03:45 - 07.849 AS JUSTIFICATION, FORGIVING
03:45 - 10.349 HIM, A LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE
03:45 - 13.029 INTEREST TO AT LEAST INTERVENE
03:45 - 15.330 AND HAVE A SAINT BECAUSE
03:45 - 18.449 FUNDAMENTALLY. YOU
03:45 - 21.390 MUST AGREE THAT ALL EVIDENCE.
03:45 - 23.600 PERCENT OUR JURISPRUDENCE
03:45 - 26.189 IS REQUIRED FOR A INDIVIDUAL
03:45 - 28.239 JUDGE TO MAKE THE BEST INTEREST
03:45 - 29.770 ANALYSIS AND DETERMINATION.
03:45 - 32.009 YES, YES, AND WOULD YOU
03:45 - 33.829 NOT AGREE THAT HEARING FROM
03:45 - 36.109 AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S SPENT 5
03:45 - 37.860 YEARS RAISING THE CHILD'S LIFE.
03:45 - 41.469 AND IT'S STILL. DISTORTED HAS
03:45 - 43.299 TO CONTINUE CONTACT IS
03:45 - 45.419 INFORMATION THE COURT SHOULD
03:45 - 46.420 HAVE.
03:45 - 48.479 WHERE YOU DISAGREE THE COURT
03:45 - 50.259 SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH ALL
03:45 - 51.739 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SHOWN
03:45 - 53.709 AFFECTION OR LIKE YOU WHO HAVE
03:45 - 55.579 ASSUME PARENTAL DUTIES AND THIS
03:45 - 57.529 CHARGE THEM. YES, I
03:45 - 59.389 BELIEVE THAT THE COURT SHOULD
03:45 - 00.639 HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN
03:46 - 02.229 THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOWEVER,
03:46 - 03.230 T B.
03:46 - 06.109 WITHIN YOUR DENIAL THAT HE
03:46 - 07.779 IS SOON AND THIS CHARGE
03:46 - 09.289 PARENTAL DUTIES FROM THE EARLY
03:46 - 09.710 PART OF THIS
03:46 - 10.710 CHILD'S LIFE.
03:46 - 12.159 IT WOULD BE OUR POSITION THAT
03:46 - 13.449 HE HE NEVER STOOD IN LOCAL
03:46 - 14.450 PRENTICE.
03:46 - 17.769 I'M CONFUSED AND
03:46 - 19.629 I THOUGHT FROM BIRTH UNTIL
03:46 - 19.930 ABOUT
03:46 - 23.409 AGE 5. THE CHILD LIVED WITH HIM
03:46 - 25.579 AND THE BIRTH MOTHER AND MAYBE
03:46 - 27.590 OTHERS KNOW I'M FROM
03:46 - 30.799 SO WHEN THE CHILD WAS SHE
03:46 - 31.800 IMMEDIATELY WENT
03:46 - 35.889 TV'S MOTHER. I
03:46 - 37.989 THINK HEARTS TO THE FACT YES
03:46 - 39.119 THAT'S RIGHT. THE FIRST THEY
03:46 - 40.929 WERE ARE SURROUNDED THE CORRECT
03:46 - 42.489 THAT HE GETS OUT AND MOVES HIM
03:46 - 44.249 AND MOM AND RAISES MOVES IN
03:46 - 45.810 WITH HIS MOTHER AND THE CHILD.
03:46 - 48.159 HIS MOTHER IS GOING 4 DAYS
03:46 - 49.530 LATER 4 DAYS LATER.
03:46 - 55.289 THE WAS WE ARE GUARDING
03:46 - 56.290 SHIPPED.
03:46 - 59.989 ACTIVITIES HE LIVED IN THE
03:46 - 01.179 HOME, HE TOOK THE CHILD TO HIM
03:47 - 01.880 FROM SCHOOL
03:47 - 03.129 WENT TO KINDERGARTEN GET
03:47 - 06.539 EVERYTHING CORRECT YES SO WHAT
03:47 - 07.260 YOU'RE POSSESSED THE
03:47 - 08.480 CITY'S POSITION.
03:47 - 10.509 IS WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL GETS
03:47 - 11.829 INVOLVED IN A CHILD'S LIFE AND
03:47 - 12.910 LIVES WITH THAT FAMILY.
03:47 - 15.139 AND TAKES THAT CHILD AS SOON AS
03:47 - 17.179 THE DUTIES OF APPARENT BY DOING
03:47 - 18.659 PARENT THINK THINGS AND
03:47 - 19.699 DISCHARGES
03:47 - 21.739 THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT IT
03:47 - 23.289 YOUR POSITION THAT THEY DON'T
03:47 - 24.400 STAND AND I'LL PICK.
03:47 - 26.099 IT'S OUR POSITION THAT THAT'S
03:47 - 27.619 PART OF THE INQUIRY, BUT THERE
03:47 - 28.709 ARE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO
03:47 - 30.640 BE CONSIDERED SUCH AS SUCH AT
03:47 - 32.509 WITHIN LOCAL PRENTICE WE'RE
03:47 - 33.809 LOOKING AT 2 MAIN QUESTIONS,
03:47 - 34.740 THE ASSUMPTION OF PARENTAL
03:47 - 36.379 STATUS AS WELL AS THE DISCHARGE
03:47 - 37.380 OF PARENTAL DUTIES.
03:47 - 39.179 SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
03:47 - 40.180 FIRST PART THE ASSUMPTION OF
03:47 - 41.959 PARENTAL STATUS, WE'RE LOOKING
03:47 - 44.019 AT WHAT THE BIOLOGICAL PARENT
03:47 - 46.099 WAS IN WAS A BIOLOGICAL PARENT
03:47 - 47.409 TENDING SHARE THAT PARENTAL
03:47 - 49.629 STATUS AND HERE EVEN BY TV'S
03:47 - 51.449 OWN TESTIMONY. HE AND THE
03:47 - 52.709 BIOLOGICAL MOTHER WERE NOT IN A
03:47 - 54.449 RELATIONSHIP. THEY DID NOT LIVE
03:47 - 56.799 TOGETHER. SHE WAS IN JAIL, YES,
03:47 - 58.639 SHE WAS IN JAIL AND BE CANDID
03:47 - 00.349 WITH THE COURT SHE'S IN JAIL.
03:48 - 02.219 SHE CAN'T LIVE WITH I'M SURE WE
03:48 - 03.749 CAN SAY THAT SHE WASN'T GOING
03:48 - 04.750 TO LIVE WITH HIM.
03:48 - 05.910 IF SHE WERE NOT IN JAIL.
03:48 - 08.329 BUT SHE ALLOWED HIS MOTHER TO
03:48 - 09.719 HAVE THE GUARDIAN AND
03:48 - 11.759 SHE KNEW THAT HER PARENTS WERE
03:48 - 13.209 BOYFRIEND GIRLFRIEND, WHATEVER
03:48 - 14.749 YOU WANT TO CALL IT FROM ITS
03:48 - 16.739 TRANSITION. HER TRANSITION INTO
03:48 - 19.440 THE BIG THAT IS A RELATIONSHIP
03:48 - 21.689 AND T BE HE ASSUMED THE
03:48 - 23.980 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES FOR 5
03:48 - 27.340 REALLY THINK I SHARE WITH US.
03:48 - 31.429 HOW WE DON'T AS SOON. THAT
03:48 - 33.079 HAS ESTABLISHED AND
03:48 - 35.559 THE SUMPTION AND A DISCHARGE OF
03:48 - 37.160 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES,
03:48 - 39.059 SUCH UNDER THE
03:48 - 41.609 INTERVENTION STATUTE THAT IS A
03:48 - 43.640 LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE INTEREST
03:48 - 45.919 JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO
03:48 - 47.040 PUT MY MIND AT EASE.
03:48 - 48.829 YES, JUSTICE DAUGHERTY I
03:48 - 51.749 BELIEVE JUDGE COULD FIND THAT
03:48 - 51.970 THAT
03:48 - 54.039 WOULD BE AN ASSUMPTION OF
03:48 - 55.219 PARENTAL STATUS AND A DISCHARGE
03:48 - 56.439 OF PARENTAL DUTIES, BUT IN THIS
03:48 - 57.639 CASE, THE TRIAL COURT FOUND
03:48 - 59.799 THAT IT WASN'T. I ALSO WANT TO
03:48 - 00.800 POINT TO THE FACT THAT
03:49 - 04.329 EVEN TV WAS NOT PRESENT AT
03:49 - 05.929 THE BIRTH. HE WAS ALSO NOT
03:49 - 07.339 LISTED ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
03:49 - 08.260 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER
03:49 - 09.909 INDICATION WE KNOW ABOUT THAT
03:49 - 12.129 AND AGAIN YOUR RESPONSE THE
03:49 - 16.299 JUSTICE DAUGHERTY. FAILS
03:49 - 17.300 TO MENTION.
03:49 - 19.180 THE THE APPARENT
03:49 - 21.179 LEGAL MISAPPREHENSION BY THE
03:49 - 23.079 TRIAL JUDGE WHICH I THINK IS IS
03:49 - 24.539 WHY THE CASE IS JERMAINE AND
03:49 - 27.559 OUR LEVEL WHICH IS THAT HE WAS
03:49 - 28.310 LABORING UNDER THE
03:49 - 31.139 MISAPPREHENSION THAT CURRENT I
03:49 - 33.549 LP STATUS WAS REQUIRED
03:49 - 35.149 TO SEE BECAUSE FROM THAT ALL
03:49 - 36.620 OTHER ERRORS FLOW.
03:49 - 38.869 SO WHY SHOULDN'T THIS CASE NEED
03:49 - 41.189 TO GO BACK IN ORDER FOR THIS
03:49 - 42.929 TRIAL COURT TO MAKE
03:49 - 44.989 A DETERMINATION TO HEAR ALL THE
03:49 - 46.019 EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING
03:49 - 47.879 ABOUT NOW BUT WITHOUT THE LEGAL
03:49 - 49.829 MISAPPREHENSION THAT THAT
03:49 - 51.460 PARTICULAR WINDOW IN TIME.
03:49 - 53.329 HE HAD TO BE STANDING IN LOCAL
03:49 - 55.669 PRINTERS WHICH WAS A LEGAL IN
03:49 - 57.659 POSSIBILITY. SINCE THERE HAVE
03:49 - 59.780 BEEN A DEPENDENCY INTO TP OURS.
03:50 - 00.850 AND THE
03:50 - 03.210 AGENCY WAS IN THE CAPTAINCY.
03:50 - 07.639 WHY BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF IN
03:50 - 09.309 LOCAL PRENTICE IS TO RECOGNIZE
03:50 - 10.559 WHETHER THAT PARENT CHILD
03:50 - 12.020 RELATIONSHIP EXISTS.
03:50 - 14.919 AND IN THIS CASE TV HAD THE
03:50 - 16.259 BURDEN TO SHOW THAT HE HAD
03:50 - 17.260 THAT.
03:50 - 19.649 HAD THAT RELATIONSHIP AND JUST
03:50 - 22.230 GIVE ME ASK A TYPO.
03:50 - 25.209 I'M SURE IF IT IS FOR THAT THAT
03:50 - 28.050 THAT MIGHT HELP ASSUME
03:50 - 30.299 HYPOTHETICALLY THAT FOR THE
03:50 - 31.850 FIRST 5 YEARS.
03:50 - 35.400 PETE WHICH IS THEN
03:50 - 39.139 TV TV TV THANK YOU T B WAS IT A
03:50 - 41.539 LOCAL PRINT THIS. WHICH IS
03:50 - 42.999 WHERE I THINK PEOPLE ARE
03:50 - 44.949 LEAVING HERE. AND FOR THE NEXT
03:50 - 47.499 6 YEARS HAD NO RELATIONSHIP
03:50 - 48.770 WHATSOEVER WITH THE CHILD.
03:50 - 51.059 AND 68 AT THE
03:50 - 53.229 CONCLUSION THAT 6 YEARS HE BE
03:50 - 55.009 SEEKS IN LOCAL PRINT THE
03:50 - 57.539 STATUS. DOES HE
03:50 - 00.669 HAVE IT BY VIRTUE OF BEING IN
03:51 - 02.109 LOCAL PRINTERS FOR THOSE FIRST
03:51 - 04.849 5 YEARS WAS HE LOSE IT OVER THE
03:51 - 06.469 NEXT 6 YEARS OUR POSITION WOULD
03:51 - 08.600 BE THAT HE LOST AND HE LOST IT
03:51 - 10.730 BY HIS ACTIONS AND INACTION
03:51 - 12.279 HE'S TRYING TO GET THE RIGHTS
03:51 - 13.290 OF A PARENT WITHOUT
03:51 - 15.119 DOING ANY OF THE FRONTAL
03:51 - 16.699 OBLIGATIONS AND DUTIES FOR
03:51 - 18.419 EXAMPLE WITH A DEPENDENT CHILD
03:51 - 19.100 IN CARE.
03:51 - 21.709 WHO'S BEEN IN CARE FOR NOW 7
03:51 - 23.189 YEARS AT THIS POINT BUT HE
03:51 - 26.419 DID NOT. INTERVENE UNTIL 5
03:51 - 27.529 YEARS SHE HAD BEEN IN CARE FOR
03:51 - 29.949 5 YEARS. BUT ONE OF THE PRINT
03:51 - 31.189 UL DUTIES THAT YOU HAVE FOR A
03:51 - 32.359 DEPENDENT CHILD IN CARE IS TO
03:51 - 34.189 TRY AND GET THAT CHILD BACK
03:51 - 35.319 INTO YOUR CARE SO SHE DOESN'T
03:51 - 36.439 HAVE TO SIT IN PASCO
03:51 - 39.699 IT SO A LOCAL PRINT IT NEED NOT
03:51 - 42.479 BE CONTINUOUS. BUT AT THE
03:51 - 44.459 MOMENT THAT SOMEONE SEEKS TO
03:51 - 44.950 INTERVENE IN
03:51 - 45.950 THE ADOPTION.
03:51 - 47.479 THEY HAVE TO BE IN LOCAL
03:51 - 49.049 PRENTISS DEPENDING REGARDLESS
03:51 - 50.400 OF WHAT FACTS MAKES THE.
03:51 - 52.519 IN LOCAL PREMISE IS THAT
03:51 - 53.709 CORRECT THAT WOULD BE OUR
03:51 - 54.809 POSITION YES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE
03:51 - 56.029 SOME SORT OF HOW COULD THAT
03:51 - 57.520 POSSIBLY BE THE CASE.
03:51 - 59.299 IN AN AGENCY CASE AND PROTECT
03:51 - 01.739 IT RIGHT. THIS EVERYBODY WAS
03:52 - 03.489 DISPLACED BY THE AGENCY BY THE
03:52 - 05.479 COURTS ARE EQUITIES RIGHT SO
03:52 - 06.509 IT'S IT'S IT'S A LEGAL
03:52 - 08.269 IN POSSIBILITY. IT'S ALSO
03:52 - 09.689 INCONSISTENT WITH OUR DECISION
03:52 - 11.399 IN TV WHERE SAME
03:52 - 13.729 SEX PARTNER HAD STANDING
03:52 - 16.020 DESPITE NOT HAVING BEEN I O P.
03:52 - 19.980 I BELIEVE IN
03:52 - 20.500 THE U.S..
03:52 - 23.149 FOR THE GUARDIAN, THE
03:52 - 24.150 GUARDIAN.
03:52 - 26.999 IF IF SHE HAD CONTINUED
03:52 - 28.389 HAVING VISITS WITH THE CHILD
03:52 - 29.790 SHE COULD SHOW THAT SHE WAS
03:52 - 31.169 TRYING TO GET THE CHILD BACK
03:52 - 32.710 INTO HER CARE I BELIEVE THAT
03:52 - 34.069 THAT WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE
03:52 - 35.309 EVEN THOUGH THE AGENCY HAS
03:52 - 37.359 CUSTODY. SHE SHOWING THAT SHE
03:52 - 38.360 IS STILL.
03:52 - 41.200 EXECUTING HER
03:52 - 43.039 PARENTAL DUTIES AND SHE STILL
03:52 - 44.159 MAINTAINS THE AISLE SO YOU'RE
03:52 - 45.430 ACTUALLY YOURS SO YOU CAN
03:52 - 47.009 EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE CARS
03:52 - 48.109 AND EVEN WHEN THE CHILD IS IN
03:52 - 49.110 GUARDIANSHIP.
03:52 - 51.320 YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN I O P.
03:52 - 53.979 I'M SORRY COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR
03:52 - 55.529 QUESTION YOU'RE EVEN WHEN EVEN
03:52 - 57.449 WHEN WHEN CUSTODY HAS BEEN
03:52 - 00.339 TAKEN AWAY AND ORDERS HAVE BEEN
03:53 - 01.759 ISSUED PRESERVE PREVENTING
03:53 - 04.739 PARENTAL CONTACT. THEY'RE STILL
03:53 - 06.740 IN YOUR MIND SOME FACTUAL WAY
03:53 - 08.900 FOR A PARENT TO PRESERVE.
03:53 - 10.890 I HOPE HE STATUS.
03:53 - 13.909 YES JUST JUST BEFORE WE
03:53 - 15.019 TERMINATE PARENTAL RIGHTS OF
03:53 - 15.610 PARENTS.
03:53 - 17.259 IT IS THERE FOR IMMINENT DUTY
03:53 - 18.260 TO.
03:53 - 22.269 CONTINUE TO BE THE PARENT FOR
03:53 - 23.650 THE CHILD AND SO IN THIS CASE,
03:53 - 25.260 THE FULL U.S..
03:53 - 27.890 YOU HAVE AN AGENCY CHILD
03:53 - 31.159 WHICH MEANS DHS WAS FOUNDED TO
03:53 - 31.300 BE
03:53 - 33.079 THE GUARDIAN. THROUGH A
03:53 - 34.859 DEPENDENCY PERCEIVING PARENTAL
03:53 - 36.609 RIGHTS ARE TERMINATED WE'VE NOW
03:53 - 38.159 ACCELERATED TO AN ADOPTION
03:53 - 39.789 PROCEEDING FOR WHICH IT'S AN
03:53 - 42.779 AGENCY ADOPTION. SHARE
03:53 - 44.470 WITH ME. IF.
03:53 - 48.790 I CONTACTED DHS.
03:53 - 50.829 WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN
03:53 - 53.129 PERMIT IT. THE INFORMATION
03:53 - 55.120 REGARDING THE CHILD.
03:53 - 58.929 HIS PLACEMENT AND THE FACT THAT
03:53 - 00.509 ADOPTION PETITION HAD BEEN
03:54 - 02.779 FILED SINCE HE IS NEITHER IN
03:54 - 04.510 YOUR MIND OR DHS IS
03:54 - 07.659 A PARTY. WE'RE A PERSON HE'S
03:54 - 09.650 ACED LEGAL STRANGER
03:54 - 11.899 WOULD YOUR OFFICE HAD GIVEN HIM
03:54 - 13.469 THAT INFORMATION THAT IT WAS
03:54 - 14.520 GOING TO BE HELD
03:54 - 16.519 AT 15 OH ONE ARCH STREET IN
03:54 - 18.309 FRONT OF JUDGE ACTS AT 3
03:54 - 20.569 O'CLOCK ON A THURSDAY. THE
03:54 - 23.369 ANSWER IS NO WHISK HIM EVERYONE
03:54 - 24.680 WE'RE HYPED UP FOR YOU, YES.
03:54 - 28.679 CHAVEZ DEPENDENT WITHOUT
03:54 - 30.319 DEPENDENT BOW THE JUVENILE
03:54 - 33.619 COURT. PLACE WITH IT DOESN'T
03:54 - 35.550 MATTER WITH WITH MATERNAL AUNT.
03:54 - 39.030 CHILDS ONE YEAR OLD.
03:54 - 41.440 THE TALENT, MARY'S.
03:54 - 43.969 THE COLONEL AND ITS NEW HUSBAND
03:54 - 45.999 MOVES INTO THE HOME LIVES WITH
03:54 - 47.000 THE CHILD.
03:54 - 50.359 WHAT SEEMS TO BE
03:54 - 52.879 DE FACTO PARENTAL DUTIES FOR
03:54 - 53.330 THE NEXT
03:54 - 55.679 10 YEARS. NOT WITHSTANDING THE
03:54 - 57.359 CHILD REMAINS DEPENDENT IN
03:54 - 00.309 MY HYPO AND I IN THE AGENCY'S
03:55 - 03.050 THE LEGAL CUSTODY OF THE CHILD.
03:55 - 04.590 NOW
03:55 - 06.969 MATERNAL AUNT WANTS TO ADOPT
03:55 - 09.420 THAT SHOUT AND IN HER HUSBAND
03:55 - 11.710 IS ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT SHOT,
03:55 - 13.109 DOES HE HAVE IN LOCAL FRIENDS
03:55 - 15.329 STATUS. NOT WITHSTANDING IT'S A
03:55 - 16.980 DEPENDENT CHILD. THE AGENCY
03:55 - 18.369 I THINK HE DEFINITELY HAS AN
03:55 - 19.459 ARGUMENT FOR A LOCAL PRINT IT
03:55 - 19.860 BECAUSE
03:55 - 22.679 YES BECAUSE THE LEGALITIES OF
03:55 - 24.569 THE STATUS MATTER LESS FOR IN
03:55 - 26.219 LOCAL FOR 8 THIS IT'S THE IT'S
03:55 - 27.369 A QUESTION OF WHETHER EXACTLY
03:55 - 29.109 AS A PARENT WE SET THE WAY YOU
03:55 - 30.010 SEE IT, YES
03:55 - 31.469 YOUR HONOR A KICK IN TONIGHT
03:55 - 32.739 JUST HAS TO BE VERY
03:55 - 33.740 STRAIGHTFORWARD
03:55 - 36.549 IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT ONLY
03:55 - 38.259 PERSONS IN LOCAL PRENTICE MAY
03:55 - 41.009 ADOPT. NO NO
03:55 - 41.390 YOUR HONOR
03:55 - 43.459 IS IT YOUR PERSON AND ONLY PER
03:55 - 44.749 IS YOUR POSITION THAT ONLY
03:55 - 46.429 PERSONS IN LOCAL PARENTAL US
03:55 - 47.889 MAY INTERVENE AND ADOPTION
03:55 - 49.299 PROCEEDING UNDER PENNSYLVANIA
03:55 - 51.160 WILL CIVIL PROCEDURE, 2327.
03:55 - 54.540 NO YOU ARE
03:55 - 56.889 SO LOCAL PRINT IN YOUR VIEW IN
03:55 - 58.429 LOCAL PRINTER STATUS IS NOT
03:55 - 59.869 REQUIRED TO INTERVENE IN AN
03:55 - 00.870 ADOPTION PROCEEDING.
03:56 - 03.159 WE KNOW IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER
03:56 - 05.039 I BELIEVE TV HAD CONCEDED THAT
03:56 - 06.109 BECAUSE DHS DID
03:56 - 07.110 NOT CONSENT.
03:56 - 08.809 IN LOCAL PRENTICE WHAT WAS
03:56 - 09.510 THE AVENUE FOR
03:56 - 10.510 THEM TO.
03:56 - 12.339 OKAY SO YOU'RE SIMPLE ANSWER
03:56 - 14.019 TO THIS CASE WOULD BE THEIR
03:56 - 16.089 ONLY PURSUE THEIR TV'S ONLY
03:56 - 17.369 PURSUING IN LOCAL PRINT OF
03:56 - 18.779 STATUS AND WE SHOULDN'T GET TO
03:56 - 20.419 THE QUESTION OF WHO ELSE MAY BE
03:56 - 20.840 PERMITTED
03:56 - 22.979 TO INTERVENE AND WHETHER TV
03:56 - 23.950 COULD HAVE INTERVENED UNDER
03:56 - 25.200 THOSE ALTERNATIVE THEORIES.
03:56 - 29.110 I'M SORRY COULD YOU REPEAT
03:56 - 30.410 THE QUESTION AND YOU'RE TRYING
03:56 - 32.319 I GUESS I'M TRYING TO STAND
03:56 - 34.809 THAT THE THE ONLY ISSUE HERE AS
03:56 - 34.940 YOU
03:56 - 36.779 SEE IT IS IN LOCAL PRINT A
03:56 - 38.189 STATUS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY
03:56 - 40.099 THE CASE WAS PRESENTED. YES,
03:56 - 40.830 YOU'RE NOT
03:56 - 43.309 YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE
03:56 - 44.839 SHOULD GO FURTHER AND LOOK
03:56 - 46.519 BEYOND WHAT OTHER CLASS OF
03:56 - 48.629 INDIVIDUALS MIGHT WE HAVE BEEN
03:56 - 48.840 ABLE
03:56 - 51.709 TO SATISFY STANDING UNDER OTHER
03:56 - 52.909 THEORIES TO INTERVENE AND
03:56 - 55.329 ADOPTION PROCEEDING. I BELIEVE
03:56 - 56.979 YES THAT'S THAT WOULD BE OUR
03:56 - 58.129 POSITION I BELIEVE THIS THIS
03:56 - 00.629 CASE IS. I'M NOT SURE
03:57 - 01.630 THE APPROPRIATE.
03:57 - 05.509 I BELIEVE IN THIS PARTICULAR
03:57 - 06.510 CASE.
03:57 - 09.490 TV WAS SEEKING TO
03:57 - 11.439 INTERVENE HAVE STANDING THROUGH
03:57 - 12.839 IN LOCAL PRENTISS AND I FEEL
03:57 - 13.840 THAT.
03:57 - 15.439 UNDER THE TOTALITY OF THE
03:57 - 18.560 CIRCUMSTANCES ANALYSIS. TV WAS
03:57 - 21.409 OUR POSITION WILL BE PROPERLY
03:57 - 22.619 FOUND UNDER CURRENT
03:57 - 24.049 JURISPRUDENCE TO NOT BE IN
03:57 - 25.489 LOCAL PRACTICE AND THEREFORE
03:57 - 26.490 DOES NOT HAVE STANDING.
03:57 - 28.949 THANK YOU VERY MUCH I STILL
03:57 - 30.080 THINK I THINK YEARS.
03:57 - 33.439 I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE BEST
03:57 - 34.819 INTERESTS ARE BEFORE US, BUT
03:57 - 35.950 YOU CAN DO SO.
03:57 - 38.029 WE'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY
03:57 - 39.030 TO TAKE POTENT.
03:57 - 46.289 MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT GOOD
03:57 - 48.109 AFTERNOON CHIEF JUSTICE
03:57 - 50.049 AND JUSTICE IS MY NAME IS JUDY
03:57 - 51.759 MCINTYRE SPRINGER I AM THE
03:57 - 54.259 VOLUNTEER CHILD ADVOCATE FOR K
03:57 - 55.709 AND L THROUGH THE SUPPORT
03:57 - 56.180 CENTER FOR
03:57 - 57.809 CHILD ADVOCATES. I WAS
03:57 - 59.529 APPOINTED AS THE CHILD ADVOCATE
03:57 - 01.649 IN MARCH 2015 WHEN THE CHILD
03:58 - 02.989 WAS REMOVED FROM THE HOME AND
03:58 - 03.380 PLACED
03:58 - 05.629 INTO CARE WITH YOUR
03:58 - 08.349 HONOR'S PERMISSION I WOULD LIKE
03:58 - 10.099 TO PERHAPS ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR
03:58 - 12.239 CONCERNS AND TALK ABOUT MORE
03:58 - 13.769 THAN BEST INTEREST. BUT IF IF
03:58 - 14.979 I'M ONLY LIMITED TO BEST
03:58 - 16.369 INTERESTS THAN I WILL, BUT I
03:58 - 18.429 WANTED TO PERHAPS TALK ABOUT
03:58 - 19.740 THE IN LOCO PARENTAL US
03:58 - 22.749 BECAUSE I BELIEVE I HAVE A
03:58 - 24.249 LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TAKE THAN
03:58 - 25.879 THE CITY DOES OKAY WE'RE
03:58 - 27.620 LOOKING AT STANDING.
03:58 - 28.720 YES, YOU WANT TO
03:58 - 30.769 ADDRESS LOCAL PARENT ASSESS IT
03:58 - 33.899 PERTAINS JUST STANDING THAT EYE
03:58 - 35.439 ON THE ONE HAND WE HAVE THE
03:58 - 37.679 RULE THAT WE PETE ARGUMENTS THE
03:58 - 39.130 OTHER HAND WE CAN BE.
03:58 - 40.779 MARK A LITTLE BIT IN A MESS
03:58 - 42.499 HERE SO IF YOU CAN SAFELY
03:58 - 43.650 STRAIGHTEN IT OUT GO AHEAD.
03:58 - 44.810 YES, YOUR HONOR.
03:58 - 46.879 SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS
03:58 - 48.159 STANDARD FOR SOMEONE TO
03:58 - 50.339 INTERVENE IN AN ADOPTION OR FOR
03:58 - 51.769 SOMEONE TO FILE A PETITION TO
03:58 - 52.450 ADOPT IS
03:58 - 54.229 THE SAME IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE
03:58 - 55.989 TO INTERVENE AND ACTION WE CAN
03:58 - 57.069 LOOK TO THE RULES OF CIVIL
03:58 - 59.299 PROCEDURE WHICH STATES THAT ANY
03:58 - 01.059 PERSON WHO HAS A LEGALLY
03:59 - 02.749 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST IN THE
03:59 - 04.839 CASE CAN INTERVENE
03:59 - 07.659 IN ACTION OR SOMEONE WHO COULD
03:59 - 09.239 HAVE JOINED IN THE ORIGINAL
03:59 - 10.840 ACTION AND THROUGH MY BRIEF
03:59 - 12.599 THAT IS KIND OF THE THE
03:59 - 14.929 ANALYSIS THAT I TAKE SO IN
03:59 - 17.479 THIS CASE JUST BECAUSE A PERSON
03:59 - 18.659 IS INTERESTED IN
03:59 - 20.429 A CHILD DOES NOT NECESSARILY
03:59 - 22.590 MAKE THEM AN INTERESTED PERSON
03:59 - 24.439 AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A
03:59 - 27.459 CONCERN FOR FOR LIBERALLY
03:59 - 29.499 ALLOWING PEOPLE TO INTERVENE
03:59 - 31.039 AND ADOPTION ACTIONS BECAUSE
03:59 - 32.529 CERTAINLY THE COURT IS
03:59 - 34.109 INTERESTED IN REALLY DRILLING
03:59 - 35.899 DOWN TO WHAT IS IN THE BEST
03:59 - 37.779 INTERESTS OF THE CHILD AND WHY
03:59 - 39.709 SHOULD WE LIMIT WHO COULD COME
03:59 - 40.580 IN AND TESTIFY
03:59 - 42.659 TO THAT AND THE REASON WHY WE
03:59 - 44.229 SHOULDN'T LIMITED IN THIS CASE
03:59 - 45.630 YOUR HONOR'S IS BECAUSE
03:59 - 48.349 THIS. LATE AGAIN WAS ALREADY
03:59 - 50.650 DETERMINED TO NOT BE CREDIBLE
03:59 - 52.419 BY THE TRIAL COURT JUDGE AND
03:59 - 53.439 YOUR HONOR'S CAN LOOK AT THE
03:59 - 55.510 TRANSCRIPT AND SEE ON ITS FACE
03:59 - 57.369 THAT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
03:59 - 58.389 THIS PERSON BEING IN A
03:59 - 59.820 RELATIONSHIP WITH MOM.
04:00 - 02.559 BUT DON'T DISREGARD THE LINE IN
04:00 - 04.709 THE TRANSCRIPT THE PERSON, I'M
04:00 - 05.050 SORRY
04:00 - 08.169 TV TESTIFIED THAT TV WAS IN A
04:00 - 09.849 RELATIONSHIP AND THAT HE WAS
04:00 - 11.530 ENGAGED TO BIOLOGICAL MOM.
04:00 - 12.350 IN THE
04:00 - 15.649 VERY NEXT QUESTION ON DIRECT
04:00 - 18.290 EXAMINATION, NOT EVEN ON CROSS
04:00 - 19.650 TV TESTIFIED.
04:00 - 21.279 WELL WE WERE REALLY IN A
04:00 - 22.969 RELATIONSHIP WE HAD BEEN
04:00 - 24.540 FRIENDS SINCE WE WERE CHILDREN.
04:00 - 27.469 SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. TAKE NO
04:00 - 30.079 COURT HAS EVER FOUND TV TO
04:00 - 32.199 HAVE STANDING. THIS CHILD
04:00 - 33.779 WAS REMOVED FROM THE HOME WHERE
04:00 - 36.489 TV WAS LIVING AS AN ADULT WITH
04:00 - 37.550 HIS MOTHER.
04:00 - 40.039 JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS LIVING
04:00 - 42.359 IN A HOME DOES NOT NECESSARILY
04:00 - 43.989 MAKE THEM HAVE IN
04:00 - 47.449 LOCO PER CAR SURROGATE MOTHER
04:00 - 48.669 WAS IN CARSON MOTHER WAS
04:00 - 50.399 INCARCERATED YES SO WE SAY IT
04:00 - 51.579 LIVING AT HOME WITH A MOTHER
04:00 - 53.269 BUT I'M I'M SORRY LIVING AT
04:00 - 54.450 HOME WITH HIS MOTHER.
04:00 - 56.050 SO T B.
04:00 - 58.129 LIVED WITH HIS MOTHER SO I
04:00 - 59.919 MEAN THE VIGIL WHICH WAS SOON
04:00 - 01.199 AND DISCHARGE RIGHT OR
04:01 - 04.239 RESPONSIBILITY. FOR 5 YEARS IN
04:01 - 06.479 YOUR MIND. IT DOES
04:01 - 08.060 NOT STAND IN LOCAL PREVENT THAT
04:01 - 09.609 YOUR HONOR THAT'S A YES OR NO
04:01 - 11.180 QUESTION. NOT.
04:01 - 12.639 NOT IN THIS CASE, YOUR HONOR
04:01 - 14.579 THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THIS
04:01 - 17.110 PERSON NEVER CONDUCTED HIMSELF,
04:01 - 19.460 AS IF HE WERE IN LOCO PER ENNIS
04:01 - 21.169 AND THE REASON WHY I CAN STAND
04:01 - 23.119 HERE TODAY AND SAY THAT IS
04:01 - 23.740 BECAUSE.
04:01 - 25.150 T B.
04:01 - 28.169 NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN THE
04:01 - 30.129 COURTROOM. IN THE DEPENDENCY
04:01 - 31.759 CASE. THERE WAS A STAY AWAY
04:01 - 33.229 WOULD YOU CAN SEE TONIGHT THEY
04:01 - 34.989 STAY AWAY ORDER WAS NOT ENTERED
04:01 - 36.529 ORIGINALLY YOUR HONOR STIRS
04:01 - 38.239 STAY AWAY. THERE WAS A STATE
04:01 - 40.369 WAS KEY BE NOTICED BY THE
04:01 - 41.370 DEPARTMENT.
04:01 - 42.020 THAT THERE WASN'T A
04:01 - 43.250 DEPENDENCY PROCEEDINGS.
04:01 - 45.940 YOUR HONOR HE WAS AT COURT.
04:01 - 48.369 EVERY APPEARANCE. HE WAS IN THE
04:01 - 49.370 WAITING ROOM.
04:01 - 53.549 SO THAT DOES THAT NOT
04:01 - 54.820 CONFLICT YOUR COMMENT
04:01 - 56.669 THAT HE WAS NOT PARTICIPATING
04:01 - 57.819 BECAUSE HE WAS THERE HE WOULD
04:01 - 59.499 JUST NOT INVITED IN BY THE
04:01 - 00.480 COURT OFFICER,
04:02 - 01.200 YOUR HONOR.
04:02 - 03.199 TV WAS ORDERED TO STAY AWAY
04:02 - 05.599 FROM THE CHILD TV WAS NEVER
04:02 - 06.709 ORDERED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE
04:02 - 08.989 COURT TV WAS NEVER PROHIBITED
04:02 - 10.669 FROM INTERVENING IN THE
04:02 - 12.029 DIFFERENT WHO REQUESTED THAT
04:02 - 14.609 HAVE A WAY WITH HER. WEST OF
04:02 - 16.100 THE STAY AWAY ORDER
04:02 - 17.850 THAT WAS PART OF THE JANUARY
04:02 - 19.929 2021 HEARING AND I KNOW YOU
04:02 - 21.749 WANT TO USE YOUR REQUEST FOR A
04:02 - 24.699 STAY AWAY ORDER AS AGAINST TB
04:02 - 26.859 BY SAYING HE ABANDONED HIS
04:02 - 28.289 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY, NO
04:02 - 29.739 YOUR HONOR I DON'T HAVE TO USE
04:02 - 30.230 THAT STAY
04:02 - 31.979 AWAY ORDER TO
04:02 - 34.999 DEMONSTRATE WHY T B DOES NOT
04:02 - 36.089 HAVE STANDING AND IS NOT IN
04:02 - 37.669 LOCAL PARRANDA YOU YOU SEEM TO
04:02 - 40.769 BE DOING THAT BY ARGUING MERITS
04:02 - 43.059 ISSUES. SO IT IS
04:02 - 45.459 THE AGAIN WHATEVER ELSE THE
04:02 - 46.639 TRIAL JUDGE DID AND THERE'S A
04:02 - 48.529 LOT ELSE THE TRIAL JUDGE DID IT
04:02 - 49.440 WE DID NOT GRANT
04:02 - 50.440 REVIEW OF.
04:02 - 51.699 THAT COULD BE SEEN AS THE
04:02 - 52.849 CHIEF JUSTICE SAID AS
04:02 - 54.900 PROBLEMATIC, BUT UP.
04:02 - 57.869 ONE THING WE KNOW THE TRIAL
04:02 - 00.469 JUDGE DID WAS I'M REPEATING
04:03 - 01.739 THIS FOR THE 3RD TIME THE
04:03 - 03.080 CURRENCY POINT WHICH YOU KNOW
04:03 - 05.019 CURRENT FIRST PAST. SO
04:03 - 07.690 IF THAT'S LEGALLY ERRONEOUS.
04:03 - 09.719 WHY DOESN'T THIS HAVE TO GO
04:03 - 11.979 BACK AND THEN YOU CAN FIGHT
04:03 - 13.389 ABOUT ALL THESE MERITS ISSUES
04:03 - 15.619 AND SAY TV WAS INATTENTIVE AND
04:03 - 17.919 T BE ABANDONED WITHOUT THE
04:03 - 20.239 LEGAL ERROR OF SAYING THERE'S A
04:03 - 21.889 BARRIER TO THE THAT HE CAN'T
04:03 - 22.979 GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO
04:03 - 25.179 FIGHT ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE'S
04:03 - 26.819 NOT CURRENTLY IN
04:03 - 28.809 LOCAL PRESS. HOW IS THAT NOT
04:03 - 30.719 REVERSIBLE ERROR THAT REQUIRES
04:03 - 32.849 THIS TO BE SENT BACK FOR YOU TO
04:03 - 33.889 FIGHT ABOUT THESE MERITS
04:03 - 34.960 ISSUES, SURE
04:03 - 35.990 SO.
04:03 - 38.579 THERE ARE NO SUPREME COURT
04:03 - 40.489 CASES AS YOUR HONOR'S KNOW
04:03 - 42.429 DEALING WITH IN LOCO PER ENNIS
04:03 - 43.759 AND AN ADOPTION ACTION BUT
04:03 - 44.430 THERE IS A LINE
04:03 - 47.129 OF CASES IN RE INTERESTED IN AS
04:03 - 49.370 FOR EXAMPLE IS WHAT STATES THAT
04:03 - 49.970 IF
04:03 - 51.379 A PERSON BECAUSE IN ORDER TO
04:03 - 53.370 FILE AN ADOPTION ACTION.
04:03 - 54.570 AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S
04:03 - 56.269 RELEVANT FOR THE INTERVENTION
04:03 - 57.389 IS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO
04:03 - 58.739 INTERVENE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE
04:03 - 01.099 TO BE JOINED IN THE UNDERLYING
04:04 - 02.259 ACTION AS A
04:04 - 04.039 PARTY SO WELL THAT'S ONE OF THE
04:04 - 05.499 WAYS TO GET IN OR HAVE A
04:04 - 07.779 LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE INTEREST OR
04:04 - 09.419 WITH 4 WITH THE LEGALLY ENFORCE
04:04 - 10.679 WINTER SCORE WITH CERTAINLY
04:04 - 12.309 WITH DHS CONSENT OR WITH THE
04:04 - 13.619 CHILD'S CONSENT AND THAT THE
04:04 - 14.779 TIME OF THE HEARING THE CHILD
04:04 - 16.929 WAS UNDER 12 AND SO THERE WAS
04:04 - 18.519 NO INFORMATION ON THE RECORD
04:04 - 18.960 THAT CHILD
04:04 - 21.909 NOW IS 12 AND NOW WILL BE IN
04:04 - 21.980 THE
04:04 - 23.999 POSITION WHERE THE CHILD'S
04:04 - 25.800 CONSENT CANNOT BE DISPENSED UP.
04:04 - 27.459 BUT I HAVEN'T ANSWERED YOUR
04:04 - 29.300 QUESTIONS SO ON ONE.
04:04 - 33.209 IT COMES FROM IN RATE INTEREST
04:04 - 34.589 OF AN ASS. THAT
04:04 - 36.919 TALKS ABOUT CURRENTLY IN LOCO
04:04 - 37.570 PER N S
04:04 - 39.699 AND CERTAINLY THIS PERSON HAS
04:04 - 42.319 DONE DID NOTHING FOR OVER 4 AND
04:04 - 43.320 A HALF YEARS
04:04 - 45.869 TO PARTICIPATE IN LITIGATION OR
04:04 - 47.309 PARTICIPATE IN THIS CHILD'S
04:04 - 49.729 LIFE. THEY DID NOT INTERVENE IN
04:04 - 52.130 THE 2013 CUSTODY ACTION.
04:04 - 54.590 THEY SAY HIS MOTHER CUSTODY,
04:04 - 57.009 THE 2013 CUSTODY ACTION
04:04 - 58.010 TO BE.
04:04 - 00.829 MOTHER OF T B IS WHO WAS
04:05 - 03.340 GIVEN SOLE LEGAL CUSTODY.
04:05 - 05.529 AND SOLE PHYSICAL CUSTODY OF
04:05 - 07.019 THE CHILD. THE CHILD WAS BORN
04:05 - 08.900 IN 2010 WAS PLACED IN
04:05 - 10.569 20103 YEARS
04:05 - 12.819 LATER IT'S NOT IT BE THAT THE
04:05 - 15.189 MOM IS GIVING CUSTODY TO ENTER
04:05 - 17.290 IN WOKE UP AROUND US, WE KNOW
04:05 - 19.139 YOU CAN'T JUST WALK IN AND TAKE
04:05 - 20.509 IT THERE HAS TO BE SOME
04:05 - 22.679 DISCHARGE UPPER HIM HE'S IN
04:05 - 23.220 FAVOR OF
04:05 - 23.790 THE PERSON.
04:05 - 27.309 AND YOU DEEP INTO THE FACTS
04:05 - 29.079 WHICH IS NOT WHAT WORSE
04:05 - 31.089 ESPECIALLY DIDN'T KNOW I
04:05 - 33.169 UNDERSTAND MAKE SURE THE CASE
04:05 - 34.969 LEAD TO THE FACTS BUT WE'RE
04:05 - 36.580 MORE INTERESTED IN THE LAW.
04:05 - 38.429 SO AGAIN THE SAME HYPO THAT I
04:05 - 41.039 ASKED MISS KIM. AS SUVA AND I
04:05 - 42.839 KNOW YOU DON'T CONCEDE WITH
04:05 - 44.599 THAT. HE BE
04:05 - 45.979 WAS IN LOCO CREDITS FOR THE
04:05 - 47.639 FIRST 5 YEARS AND
04:05 - 49.339 THEN WAS THAT WAS A COMPLETE
04:05 - 50.769 STRANGER TO THE CHILD THE NEXT
04:05 - 53.929 6 YEARS WOULD HE BE IN LOCAL
04:05 - 55.249 PRENTISS AT THE TIME HE FOUND
04:05 - 56.649 HIS PETITION BY VIRTUE OF HIS
04:05 - 56.900 FIRST
04:05 - 57.940 5 YEARS STATUS.
04:05 - 00.789 NOW WE TERMINATE PARENTAL
04:06 - 02.859 RIGHTS BIOLOGICAL PARENTAL
04:06 - 05.499 RIGHTS, ONE LAST OF AN
04:06 - 06.940 ABSOLUTELY DO 6 MONTHS.
04:06 - 11.109 SO YOUR POSITION THEN IS THAT
04:06 - 13.030 YOU CAN LOSE IN LOCAL PARENT IS
04:06 - 14.330 IF YOU
04:06 - 16.329 AND AGAIN THAT NOISE THE
04:06 - 18.030 COMPLEXITIES OF THIS CASE IS
04:06 - 20.739 DAUGHERTY'S PUT OUT THE BUT
04:06 - 22.840 HYPOTHETICALLY YOU CAN LOSE IT.
04:06 - 24.289 YOU KNOW AGAIN MAYBE IT'S
04:06 - 25.329 ANALOGOUS TO AN
04:06 - 27.629 INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL THERE'S
04:06 - 29.369 AN OBLIGATION IN A TERMINATION
04:06 - 30.479 PROCEEDING THE USE ALL
04:06 - 32.180 REASONABLE EFFORTS I DON'T KNOW
04:06 - 33.579 I MEAN DOWN SO YOU CAN YOU CAN
04:06 - 35.020 GRAB A LOT OF ANALOGIES.
04:06 - 36.569 I MEAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT LAST
04:06 - 37.880 COMMENT. YES, YOUR HONOR.
04:06 - 40.390 YOU COULD LOSE PARENTAL RIGHTS.
04:06 - 41.740 YES LAST TIME.
04:06 - 45.419 THERE HAS TO BE AN INTRODUCTION
04:06 - 45.660 OF
04:06 - 48.239 OUR EVIDENCE AND A DECISION ON
04:06 - 50.520 THOSE MERITS AS TO WHETHER
04:06 - 52.550 THERE WAS A COMPLETE
04:06 - 54.669 INTERRUPTION YES THAT IS
04:06 - 56.469 CORRECT IN THIS PARTICULAR
04:06 - 59.619 CASE. YOUR PRECLUDING ANY
04:06 - 02.999 DECISION ON THE MERITS. BY YOU
04:07 - 04.000 OR CHOICE.
04:07 - 06.659 OF ABANDONMENT FOR WHICH IS NOT
04:07 - 08.559 FOUNDED IN ANY STATUTE COLDER
04:07 - 10.719 LAW IN PENNSYLVANIA IS ADOPTION
04:07 - 11.770 ACT, CORRECT.
04:07 - 16.149 OR CAN YOU SHARE WITH ME THAT
04:07 - 17.469 YOUR POSITION TO OUR CHIEF
04:07 - 20.069 JUSTICE WAS ABANDONMENT AS A
04:07 - 21.739 CESSATION TO I
04:07 - 23.699 LP STATUS WHERE DO YOU COME UP
04:07 - 25.439 WITH CAN USE DIRECT ME TO WHICH
04:07 - 27.499 SECTION CODE OR CASE LAW YOU
04:07 - 28.980 HAD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
04:07 - 31.479 SO YOUR HONOR THE CONCEPT OF
04:07 - 32.960 IN LOCO PARADIS
04:07 - 35.179 MEANS THAT A PERSON IS STANDING
04:07 - 36.789 LIKE A PARENT AND ACTING LIKE A
04:07 - 38.659 PARENT AND I STAND HERE
04:07 - 40.169 REPRESENTING THE CHILD'S BEST
04:07 - 43.189 INTEREST AND WHAT I LOOK TO IS
04:07 - 43.610 HOW
04:07 - 46.319 TV BEHAVED HOW AND I'M NOT
04:07 - 47.389 TALKING ABOUT UNDERLYING
04:07 - 48.899 MERITS. I'M TALKING ABOUT
04:07 - 50.799 PROCEDURALLY FROM A LITIGATION
04:07 - 52.809 STANDPOINT, A PERSON WHO
04:07 - 54.249 PERCEIVE THEMSELVES TO BE IN
04:07 - 55.960 LOCAL PER ANISE AND WAS ASKED
04:07 - 57.659 ACTING AND CARRYING OUT THE
04:07 - 58.770 DUTIES OF A PARENT
04:07 - 00.659 WOULD HAVE BEEN BEATING DOWN
04:08 - 02.179 THE COURTHOUSE DOOR. SO MY
04:08 - 03.779 QUESTION TO YOU WHICH I HAD NOT
04:08 - 05.539 ANSWERED. I SAY IS THERE A CASE
04:08 - 06.540 LAW.
04:08 - 08.249 IS THERE A STATUTE OR SOME
04:08 - 10.729 COLDER RULE THAT THE FINES
04:08 - 12.669 ABANDONMENT OR EVEN
04:08 - 14.999 ACKNOWLEDGES ABANDONMENT OF I
04:08 - 16.929 LP STATUS THAT YES, OR NO
04:08 - 18.409 ANSWER, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF
04:08 - 19.410 YOUR ON OKAY.
04:08 - 20.999 I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION
04:08 - 23.489 BEEN ASKED ON SEVERAL ARE YOU
04:08 - 25.169 STARTED TO DESCRIBE FOR THE
04:08 - 26.170 COURT.
04:08 - 27.759 WHY THE RECORD IN THIS CASE
04:08 - 29.309 DOES NOT SUPPORT THE AISLE.
04:08 - 31.210 HE STATUS OF TV
04:08 - 32.779 AND EACH TIME THERE WERE
04:08 - 34.189 INTERRUPTED SO I JUST WANT TO
04:08 - 35.869 HEAR THE REST OF YOUR THE
04:08 - 37.690 ANSWER TO THAT AND I THINK YOU.
04:08 - 40.700 WE LEFT OFF AT THE TIME,
04:08 - 42.759 I'M THAT YOU REQUESTED
04:08 - 44.709 THE STATE. I'M JUST I
04:08 - 45.490 APPRECIATE THE
04:08 - 47.159 FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WITH THE
04:08 - 48.919 CHILD WAS PLACED IN 2010, I
04:08 - 50.119 KNOW WE'RE NOT FOCUSING ON THE
04:08 - 52.899 FACTS. TV DID NOT FILE FOR
04:08 - 54.570 CUSTODY, 2013
04:08 - 57.219 CUSTODY ORDER WAS ENTERED NOT
04:08 - 59.399 NAMING TBA TV DIDN'T FILE TO
04:08 - 01.399 INTERVENE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO
04:09 - 02.910 PARTICIPATE IN THAT ACTION.
04:09 - 05.359 IN 2015 WHEN THE CHILD WAS
04:09 - 07.899 REMOVED. AGAIN DID NOT
04:09 - 09.300 PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTION
04:09 - 11.690 DIDN'T ASK FOR VISITATION
04:09 - 14.059 DIDN'T TESTIFY AS A WITNESS
04:09 - 16.639 DID NOTHING 2017 PARENTAL
04:09 - 18.799 RIGHTS WERE TERMINATED 2018 A
04:09 - 20.360 PETITION TO ADOPT
04:09 - 22.859 WAS FILED AND AGAIN TV DID
04:09 - 24.679 NOTHING DID NOT PARTICIPATE DID
04:09 - 26.040 NOT FILE TO INTERVENE.
04:09 - 27.420 IN IT.
04:09 - 31.369 2019 JUNE, 2019 MATERNAL ON
04:09 - 33.699 FILED A PETITION TO ADOPT FOR 6
04:09 - 35.849 MORE MONTHS TV DID NOTHING AND
04:09 - 38.630 IT WASN'T UNTIL DECEMBER 2019.
04:09 - 40.809 OVER 4 AND A HALF YEARS AFTER
04:09 - 42.919 THE CHILD WAS REMOVED THAT TV
04:09 - 45.380 CAME INTO COURT AND SAID A LOT
04:09 - 47.209 I'M IN LOGO FOR AN US WE
04:09 - 49.690 TERMINATED RIGHTS NOT ONLY OF
04:09 - 52.209 THE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER BUT ALSO
04:09 - 54.929 THE PUTATIVE FATHER AND ALSO WE
04:09 - 56.639 HAD TO APPLY
04:09 - 58.139 ABOUT THE SAME STANDARD AND WE
04:09 - 59.509 WENT UP TO THE SUPERIOR COURT
04:09 - 01.070 TWICE. 2
04:10 - 04.399 THEY KATE. TV'S MOTHER HAS THE
04:10 - 06.749 LEGAL GUARDIAN HAD T B
04:10 - 09.269 COME IN, AND ANNOUNCED HIMSELF
04:10 - 10.729 AS HAVING ANY RIGHT TO THE
04:10 - 11.250 CHILD AT
04:10 - 13.229 THAT TIME. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO
04:10 - 14.120 HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COURT
04:10 - 15.519 PROCESS TO DEAL DURING THAT
04:10 - 16.350 HISTORY AT
04:10 - 17.390 ONE POINT.
04:10 - 19.339 WAS THE STAY AWAY ORDER
04:10 - 21.519 REQUESTED BY U N GRANTED BY THE
04:10 - 23.230 JUDGE. THEY PAID.
04:10 - 26.290 HOW LONG DID IT LAST THE PFA.
04:10 - 28.789 SAY THERE WAS NO PFA
04:10 - 30.030 THERE AREN'T IS AROUND WHERE WE
04:10 - 31.679 THERE IS A STAY AWAY ORDER.
04:10 - 32.919 SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE STAY
04:10 - 34.679 AWAY ORDERS IN THE DEPENDENCY
04:10 - 37.459 ACTION. IN THE JANUARY 2021
04:10 - 39.149 HEARING I ASKED FOR A STAY AWAY
04:10 - 41.179 ORDER I TRIED TO ASK FOR THAT
04:10 - 42.309 STAY AWAY ORDER AS THE
04:10 - 45.069 TRANSCRIPT SHOWS BEFORE TV WAS
04:10 - 46.709 DISMISSED. THIS WAS NOT
04:10 - 48.909 ANYTHING THAT I WANTED TO DO OR
04:10 - 51.240 CHOSE TO DO BEHIND TV'S BACK I
04:10 - 53.090 TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS
04:10 - 54.879 BEFORE TV AND HIS COUNSEL WERE
04:10 - 56.669 DISMISSED THE RECORD'S CLEAR
04:10 - 57.889 THE JUDGE WOULD NOT PERMIT ME
04:10 - 58.000 TO
04:10 - 59.939 DO THAT THE REASON WHY ASK FOR
04:10 - 01.509 THE STAY AWAY ORDER IS BECAUSE
04:11 - 03.279 TV HAD BEEN TRYING TO EVEN
04:11 - 04.449 APPEARING AT THE SCHOOL AND THE
04:11 - 06.119 DAYCARES AND TRYING TO GET
04:11 - 08.319 ACCESS TO MY CHILD AND I TO MY
04:11 - 10.739 CLIENT AND I WAS CONCERNED AND
04:11 - 12.120 THAT'S WHY AS A QUESTION.
04:11 - 12.970 YES, YOUR HONOR.
04:11 - 14.599 ARE YOU STANDING IN CAPACITY
04:11 - 16.219 IS OUT AND
04:11 - 17.290 CHILD ADVOCATE.
04:11 - 19.019 SO FORTUNATELY ARE HONORED
04:11 - 20.999 THIS CASE I AM PERMITTED TO DO
04:11 - 22.150 THAT BECAUSE.
04:11 - 23.939 AND CASE LAW SHOWS I'M
04:11 - 25.660 PERMITTED TO DO IT THE CHILD'S
04:11 - 26.760 WISHES
04:11 - 29.119 AND THE CHILD'S BEST INTEREST
04:11 - 31.190 ARE IN ALIGNMENT IN THIS CASE
04:11 - 33.589 CERTAINLY IF THEY EVER WE'RE
04:11 - 35.449 TO DIVERGE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE
04:11 - 36.699 TO SERVE IN BOTH ROLES, BUT
04:11 - 38.260 THEY ARE IN ALIGNMENT SO
04:11 - 40.219 FINDING BY THE COURT IS THAT
04:11 - 41.480 YOUR STATE YOUR POSITION.
04:11 - 43.080 I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S
04:11 - 44.619 SIGNIFICANT WHICH I MEAN WHICH
04:11 - 46.279 PART YOUR HONOR THE PART WHERE
04:11 - 47.280 THE ALIGNMENT
04:11 - 48.610 THE FACT THAT THEY'RE IN
04:11 - 50.489 ALIGNMENT IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO
04:11 - 51.490 MAKE A FINDING.
04:11 - 53.530 COURT MAKE A FINDING
04:11 - 55.599 OF THAT NOW TO THAT YOUR THAT
04:11 - 56.810 YOUR ARGUMENT POSITION.
04:11 - 00.290 NO BUT WHAT MY CLIENT ONCE.
04:12 - 03.249 IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'M
04:12 - 04.250 ARGUING TODAY.
04:12 - 05.280 ALL RIGHT.
04:12 - 06.330 THAT'S KIND OF THE RECORD
04:12 - 08.289 JUST FOR THE FOR PURPOSE, NOT
04:12 - 09.379 I'M SORRY I WAS JUST TRYING TO
04:12 - 09.930 ANSWER
04:12 - 11.939 THAT QUESTION. I HAVE ONE MORE
04:12 - 13.899 FOLLOW-UP TROPHY IS THE WAIVER
04:12 - 15.569 OF IOWA. I
04:12 - 18.050 I P IT'S AN ILLEGAL.
04:12 - 19.839 THE TERMINATION OR IS THAT A
04:12 - 21.879 FACTUAL DETERMINATION. WELL
04:12 - 23.699 WHETHER SOMEONE IS IN LOCAL
04:12 - 25.169 PRENTISS SOMEBODY IS WAIVED
04:12 - 26.679 THEIR RIGHTS AND MONEY IN LOCAL
04:12 - 28.239 PRENTICE I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD
04:12 - 30.929 BE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT
04:12 - 31.420 THERE'S ANY
04:12 - 34.079 DISCUSSION OF WAIVER OF I O P
04:12 - 35.240 IN THE CASE LAW.
04:12 - 37.139 WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT WOULD BE
04:12 - 38.759 A FACTUAL DETERMINATION OF
04:12 - 40.819 WHETHER SOMEONE MAYBE HAS LOST
04:12 - 43.209 I LP STATUS OR NEVER GAINED I
04:12 - 44.210 LP STATUS.
04:12 - 48.079 THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU YOU'RE
04:12 - 49.080 ON IT.
04:12 - 54.089 BEFORE WE BEFORE
04:12 - 55.769 WE ADJOURNED, THANK YOU TO THE
04:12 - 58.799 NATIONAL PARK WAS WONDERFUL ARE
04:12 - 00.479 YOU IN THIS ROOM, THANK YOU ALL
04:13 - 02.159 FOR BEING SO PATIENT STAND
04:13 - 03.160 ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY.