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PA Supreme Court 300th Anniversary Session 05/18/22

PA Supreme Court session (5.18.22) from Philadelphia, celebrating the 300th anniversary of the court

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00:00 - HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE MAY

00:02 - 2022 ORAL ARGUMENT SESSION OF

00:04 - THE SUPREME COURT OF

00:05 - PENNSYLVANIA. I AM TURNING JOHN

00:07 - HAIR

00:08 - FROM PHILADELPHIA. AND I'M

00:09 - GOING TO PREVIEW FOR YOU THE 5

00:11 - CASES YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR

00:13 - ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT

00:14 - TODAY. BUT I'D FIRST LIKE TO

00:16 - TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE

00:17 - COURT ITSELF. THIS SUPREME

00:20 - COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA AS ITS

00:21 - NAME SUGGESTS IS THE HIGHEST

00:23 - COURT IN PENNSYLVANIA.

00:25 - IT CONSISTS OF 7 JUSTICES WHO

00:27 - ARE ELECTED IN STATEWIDE

00:29 - ELECTIONS FOR 10 YEAR TERMS.

00:32 - THEY THEN STAND FOR WHAT ARE

00:34 - CALLED

00:34 - RETENTION ELECTIONS WHICH IS

00:36 - ESSENTIALLY A THUMBS UP OR

00:37 - THUMBS DOWN VOTE OF THE

00:38 - ELECTORATE ON WHETHER THE

00:39 - JUSTICE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE

00:41 - FOR ANOTHER 10 YEAR.

00:42 - TERM, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 4

00:45 - MALE AND 3 FEMALE JUSTICES ON

00:47 - THE COURT AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE

00:49 - IS MAX BAER FROM PITTSBURGH.

00:51 - BUT THE COURT IS A LOT MORE

00:52 - THAN ITS

00:53 - STRUCTURAL DETAILS. IT IS THE

00:55 - OLDEST APPELLATE COURT IN NORTH

00:57 - AMERICA. IT TRACES ITS HISTORY

00:59 - BACK TO A STATUTE IN 1722.

01:03 - MAY

01:04 - 22ND, 1722 ACTUALLY WHICH MEANS

01:07 - THAT THIS COMING SUNDAY THE

01:08 - COURT TURNS

01:09 - 300 YEARS OLD. THE COURT

01:11 - ACTUALLY TRACES ITS ROOTS BACK

01:13 - TO 1684 AND WILLIAM PENN WHEN

01:15 - HE ARRIVED HERE IN

01:17 - 1681. BUT THE STATUTE IN 1722

01:20 - IS WHAT WE'RE CELEBRATING

01:22 - BECAUSE THAT FORMALLY CREATED

01:23 - THE COURT AND THAT IS WHY WE

01:24 - ARE HERE IN OLD CITY

01:26 - OLD CITY HALL WHICH IS A

01:28 - COMPONENT OF THE INDEPENDENCE

01:30 - HALL COMPLEX AND THERE'S A 2

01:33 - DAY EVENT AT THE NEIGHBORING A

01:34 - NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER

01:36 - TO CELEBRATE THE COURTS ARE

01:38 - REALLY REMARKABLE HISTORY.

01:40 - THE COURT GETS FROM

01:43 - THOUSANDS OF LITIGANTS EACH

01:44 - YEAR TO

01:45 - ACCEPT APPEALS. BUT 7 JUSTICES

01:48 - OBVIOUSLY CANNOT HANDLE THAT

01:49 - MANY APPEAL SO THEY SELECT A

01:51 - HANDFUL OF THE MOST IMPORTANT

01:53 - CASES. THEY TAKE A HANDFUL OF

01:55 - THOSE CASES AND THEY ALLOW ORAL

01:57 - ARGUMENT IN THOSE CASES

01:59 - IN YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR 5 OF

02:00 - THOSE CASES TODAY, THE FIRST

02:02 - CASE YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IS

02:04 - CALLED COMMONWEALTH OF

02:05 - PENNSYLVANIA VERSE JET COM JOE

02:07 - KWAN HUMPHREY

02:08 - AND WHEN YOU SEE THE

02:09 - COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA IN

02:11 - THE NAME OF A CASE THAT

02:12 - TYPICALLY MEANS THAT IT'S A

02:13 - CRIMINAL CASE, NOT ALWAYS BUT

02:15 - GENERALLY AND THIS IS A

02:17 - CRIMINAL CASE. IT STEMS FROM

02:19 - THESE FACTS IN 2017. THE

02:22 - DEFENDANT MISTER HUMPHREY WAS

02:24 - A PRISONER WHEN HE ALLEGEDLY

02:26 - THREW URINE AND SPIT ON A

02:28 - CORRECTIONS OFFICER. HE WAS

02:30 - CHARGED WITH AGGRAVATED

02:32 - HARASSMENT BY PRISONER.

02:34 - AFTER A

02:35 - PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION. THE

02:37 - TRIAL COURT RULED THAT MR.

02:39 - HUMPHREY WAS NOT MENTALLY

02:41 - COMPETENT TO

02:41 - STAND TRIAL. THE TRIAL COURT

02:44 - ORDERED MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT

02:46 - BUT BECAUSE MISTER HUMPHREY

02:47 - WAS A PRISONER OF THE STATE

02:49 - HOSPITAL WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE

02:51 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT.

02:52 - ANOTHER ONE AND A HALF YEARS

02:54 - PAST. IN 2020.

02:56 - THE TRIAL COURT DISMISSED THE

02:58 - CHARGES AGAINST MISTER HUMPHREY

03:00 - FINDING THAT HE WAS NOT LIKELY

03:02 - TO

03:02 - REGAIN CONFIDENCE. THE

03:04 - DISMISSAL WAS BASED ON A

03:06 - PARTICULAR STATUTE OF THE

03:07 - MENTAL HEALTH PROCEDURES

03:09 - PENNSYLVANIA STATUTE AND THE

03:12 - LANGUAGE OF THAT STATUTORY

03:13 - PROVISION IS IMPORTANCE I'M

03:15 - GOING TO READ IT VERY BRIEFLY

03:16 - IT'S SECTION 7 '04, 7, 4, 3 E

03:19 - OF THE MENTAL HEALTH

03:20 - PROCEDURES ACT. IT SAYS WHEN

03:22 - THE COURT DETERMINES THAT SUCH

03:24 - PERSON HERE MISTER HUMPHREY HAS

03:26 - REGAINED HIS CONFIDENCE TO

03:28 - PROCEED. THE PROCEEDING SHALL

03:30 - BE REZONED IF THE COURT IS OF

03:32 - THE OPINION THAT BY REASON OF

03:34 - THE PASSAGE OF TIME AND IT'S A

03:35 - FACT UPON THE CRIMINAL

03:37 - PROCEEDINGS, IT WOULD BE UNJUST

03:39 - TO PRINT TO RESUME

03:40 - THE PROSECUTION. THE COURT MAY

03:42 - DISMISS THE CHARGE IN ORDER THE

03:44 - PERSON DISCHARGE

03:45 - THAT WAS THE BASIS ON WHICH THE

03:47 - CHARGES AGAINST MISTER HUMPHREY

03:48 - WERE DISMISSED. THE

03:50 - COMMONWEALTH THAT'S THE

03:51 - PROSECUTOR APPEALED

03:53 - THAT DISMISSAL. THE SUPERIOR

03:56 - COURT WHICH IS THE NEST NEXT

03:57 - LEVEL APPELLATE COURT ABOVE THE

03:59 - TRIAL COURT BUT BELOW THE

04:00 - SUPREME COURT. WE REVERSED THE

04:03 - TRIAL COURT'S DISMISSAL AND

04:05 - REINSTATED THE CHARGES BASED

04:07 - ON.

04:09 - PRIOR DECISIONS OF THE

04:10 - SUPERIOR COURT WHICH HELD THAT

04:12 - 7, 4 '03 AUTHORIZES DISMISSAL.

04:16 - ONLY IF THE DEFENDANT IS FIRST

04:17 - INCOMPETENT AND

04:19 - THEN REGAINS CONFIDENCE BUT TOO

04:21 - MUCH TIME HAS PASSED TO ALLOW

04:23 - THE PROSECUTION IN OTHER WORDS

04:25 - DEFENDANT MUST REGAIN

04:27 - CONFIDENCE BEFORE THE CHARGES

04:28 - CAN BE DISMISSED. THE SUPREME

04:30 - COURT HAS NOW ALLOWED AN APPEAL

04:32 - TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE TRIAL

04:34 - COURT CAN DISMISS UNDER SECTION

04:36 - 74 '03 WHERE THE DEFENDANT IS

04:39 - SEVERELY INCOMPETENT AND THE

04:41 - PASSAGE OF TIME ALONE. RENDERS

04:43 - THE PROSECUTION AND JUST LET'S

04:45 - GO TO THE COURTROOM NOW TO HEAR

04:47 - THE ARGUMENT.

04:48 - WE ARE WILL THE CHIEF

04:50 - JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT

04:52 - OF PENNSYLVANIA.

04:55 - OH YEA OH YEA

04:57 - OH YEA.

04:58 - ALL MEN ARE PERSONS WHO STAND

04:59 - BOUND BY RECONNAISSANCE OR WHO

05:01 - OTHERWISE HAVE BUSINESS BEFORE

05:02 - THIS COURT ME NOW HERE AND THEY

05:03 - SHALL BE HEARD. GOD SAVE THE

05:05 - COMMONWEALTH AND THIS HONORABLE

05:06 - COURT PLEASE BE SEATED.

05:29 - GOOD MORNING BEFORE YOU

05:30 - BEGIN.

05:32 - THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE

05:34 - THE COURT IS THRILLED. TO

05:37 - CELEBRATE ITS 3100TH

05:39 - ANNIVERSARY.

05:41 - WHICH IS ACTUALLY MAY 22ND.

05:43 - BUT THE CELEBRATIONS TODAY

05:44 - TOMORROW AND FRIDAY.

05:47 - HERE IN THESE WONDERFULLY

05:48 - HISTORIC.

05:50 - BUILDINGS FOR OUR NATION'S

05:51 - FIRST PLACE. WE THANK THE.

05:57 - MARSHALS IN OFFICIALS THAT RUN

06:00 - THE.

06:01 - COMPLEX HERE WITH INDEPENDENCE

06:04 - HALL THIS HISTORIC COURTROOM.

06:06 - WELL, NOBODY SITS ANY LONGER.

06:10 - AND FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE.

06:13 - HARKENING BACK TO THE FACT THAT

06:15 - WE'RE 70 YEARS OLDER THAN US

06:17 - SUPREME COURT.

06:19 - AND OUR MEMBERS AND

06:22 - GREAT THINKERS WE'RE VERY MUCH

06:24 - INVOLVED WITH THE WRITING OF

06:26 - THE DECLARATION OF

06:27 - INDEPENDENCE, THE WRITING OF

06:28 - THE CONSTITUTION AND THE

06:29 - SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE

06:31 - JUDICIARY. SO AGAIN WE THANK

06:33 - EVERYBODY WITH THE FEDERAL

06:33 - GOVERNMENT THAT ALLOWED IT WE

06:35 - OBVIOUSLY THINK ALL OF OUR

06:36 - WONDERFUL STAFF, THE WORK

06:38 - ENDLESSLY TO MAKE THIS

06:40 - POSSIBLE. WE WILL THANK THEM

06:42 - AGAIN AS I AM.

06:44 - THE CELEBRATION.

06:46 - PROCEEDS TOMORROW AND FRIDAY AT

06:48 - THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION

06:50 - CENTER.

06:51 - I THIS BOB MONGELUZZI MISTER

06:54 - JAIN HERE MISS THERESA FEET

06:56 - THICKENS SACKS. CHIP BAG OR ALL

07:00 - WORK INSTRUMENTAL IN THE

07:01 - PLANNING AND SO MANY OF THE

07:02 - OTHERS THAT ARE HERE AND OUR

07:04 - OWN JUSTICE. ALI MONDAY.

07:05 - AND OUR ODESSA SALLIE MUNDY

07:07 - ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU JUST A

07:09 - SPOT. WITH

07:12 - THAT WE WE'LL

07:13 - SETTLE IN THE BUSINESS IS NOT A

07:15 - CEREMONIAL SESSION, BUT RATHER

07:17 - A A SESSION OF THE COURT TOO

07:19 - HEAR AND DECIDE CASES.

07:22 - THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE BEFORE

07:24 - US.

07:26 - IF I HAD THE CORRECT TOOK OPEN.

07:27 - THANK YOU. IS UP.

07:30 - COMMONWEALTH VERSUS HUMPHREY.

07:33 - THIS

07:33 - APPEAL PRESENTS THE ISSUE OF

07:35 - WHETHER SECTION 7, 4 '03 E AND

07:38 - THE MENTAL HEALTH PROCEDURES

07:40 - THAT AFFORD TO TRIAL QUICKLY

07:42 - DISCRETION.

07:44 - TO DISMISS CRIMINAL CHARGES

07:45 - FILED AGAINST THE DEFENDANT HE

07:47 - WAS INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL

07:48 - IS UNLIKELY TO

07:49 - REGAIN COMPETENCY. IF

07:51 - RECEIVABLE FUTURE ON THE

07:52 - GROUNDS THAT SUCH PROSECUTION

07:54 - WOULD BE UNJUST TO THE PASSAGE

07:56 - OF TIME. THE TRIAL COULD ANSWER

07:58 - THE INQUIRY IN THE AFFIRMATIVE

08:00 - DISMISSED 2 COUNTS OF

08:02 - AGGRAVATED ASSAULT BY A PRISON.

08:04 - THIS FEAR

08:04 - COURT REVERSED. ACCORDING TO

08:06 - THE TRIAL COURT MAY NOT

08:07 - DISMISSED CRIMINAL CHARGES.

08:10 - UNTIL AN INCOMPETENT DEFENDANT

08:12 - REGAINS COMPETENCY.

08:14 - AND THE RESUMPTION OF THE

08:15 - PROSECUTION WOULD BE UNJUST TO

08:17 - THE PASSAGE OF TIME.

08:19 - IF THAT'S A FAIR APPROXIMATION

08:21 - OF WHY

08:21 - WE'RE HERE WHAT YOU PROBABLY

08:23 - PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PROCEED OF

08:25 - A FAIR APPROXIMATION WITH ONE

08:26 - NOTATION OF THE CHARGES THAT

08:28 - ISSUE WERE AGGRAVATED

08:29 - HARASSMENT HIS ALLEGED 5 YEARS

08:31 - AGO

08:31 - TO OUT.

08:33 - AROUND HERE AND ON THE CEO AT

08:35 - I BELIEVE IN SAID BETTER.

08:37 - AND WHEN TRANSFERRED TO SA

08:39 - ROCKY ACROSS THE

08:40 - ROAD THERE SPIT ON ANOTHER CEO

08:43 - ABOUT A MONTH OR 2 LATER.

08:46 - SO IT'S IT'S

08:47 - NOT AGGRAVATED. SO IT'S IT'S A

08:50 - IT'S NOT A FELONY WATER TO

08:52 - OFFENSE FOUND IN 3 EVENTS WE'RE

08:55 - STATUTORY MAXIMUM OF 7 YEARS

08:56 - WHICH IS WHICH OF COURSE IS NOT

08:59 - RELATED TO THE ISSUE BEFORE US

09:00 - IN ANY EVENT WRECKED LEAST GO

09:01 - AHEAD AND PROCEED.

09:04 - A BIT BASICALLY THAT THAT IS

09:06 - FAIR ASSESSMENT THERE WAS A.

09:11 - WE A NOTICE OF.

09:14 - INSANITY AND AS FOR

09:15 - COMPETENCY EVALUATION. COMING

09:17 - OFF THAT AT THE TIME OUR REPORT

09:20 - WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT.

09:22 - WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT

09:24 - THE MAN WAS INCOMPETENT TO

09:26 - PROCEED. HE HAD A LENGTHY

09:27 - HISTORY OF A BIPOLAR DISORDER

09:29 - WITH

09:29 - PSYCHOTIC DELUSIONS. A

09:32 - PERSECUTION COMPLEX SOLUTIONS

09:34 - OF GRAND YEAR. I HAD

09:38 - US.

09:39 - A PROBLEMATIC INDIVIDUAL FOR

09:41 - THE DOT TO COPE WITH IT.

09:43 - THE RECOMMENDATION OF

09:46 - THE PSYCHOLOGIST WAS ACCEPTED

09:47 - THAT HE NEEDED TO BE RESTORED

09:49 - TO COMPETENCY. WE INITIALLY

09:51 - THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD BE DONE

09:52 - WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF

09:53 - CORRECTIONS BUT IT COULD NOT

09:55 - THERE WAS A HERE HEARING A YEAR

09:57 - LATER WHICH THAT CAME

09:59 - TO LIGHT. THE ALTERNATIVE WAS

10:02 - TO TRANSFER HIM TO

10:03 - TORRANCE STATE HOSPITAL FOR THE

10:05 - DHS

10:07 - USE THEIR RESOURCES TO RESTORE

10:08 - HIM TO COMPETENCY BUT IT CAME

10:11 - OUT THAT TORRANCE WOULD NOT

10:12 - ACCEPT HIM UNTIL

10:15 - A PAROLE. WE'RE MAXED OUT OF

10:18 - THE SENTENCE. AT THAT TIME

10:20 - PAROLE. HIS MINIMUM DAY WAS

10:22 - ABOUT TO YEAR 2. A LITTLE OVER

10:24 - 2 YEARS AWAY. HIS MINIMUM DATE

10:26 - WAS SET. IRONICALLY LAST WEEK

10:29 - AND HE STILL IS

10:30 - RESIDING IN THE STATE

10:31 - CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM I BELIEVE

10:33 - HE'S BEEN TRANSFERRED TO

10:34 - PHOENIX FROM SCI GREENE.

10:37 - THE COURT AFTER HEARING THIS

10:40 - BELIEVING THAT IT.

10:44 - IT ENCOMPASSES HE WAS SO

10:45 - PROFOUND THAT.

10:48 - IT'S VERY UNLIKELY HE DIDN'T

10:50 - REMEMBER.

10:52 - 5 OR MORE

10:53 - YEARS EARLIER IF RESTORED TO

10:55 - COMPENSATE SOME POINT YOU

10:58 - 7, 4,

11:01 - MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT COULD

11:02 - BE UNJUST TO TRY HIM. ON

11:05 - APPEAL. PAMELA SPIRIT COURT.

11:08 - WE DID NOT CHALLENGE THE LOWER

11:10 - COURT'S FINDINGS

11:12 - COMPETENCY WAS NOT LIKELY TO BE

11:14 - RESTORED WITHIN THE NEAR FUTURE

11:16 - AND THAT IT WOULD BE UNJUST.

11:18 - THE DEFENDANT TO TRY THEM.

11:20 - INSTEAD RELIED ON

11:24 - 1988 DECISION GARGLE WHICH I

11:27 - READ 7. 4 '03.

11:32 - IN THE

11:32 - DES JUMPED WHEN THE CON JOHN

11:35 - DIV. PRESUMPTION

11:37 - OF RESUMPTION OF PROCEEDINGS OR

11:40 - DISMISSAL.

11:42 - IS THE TITLE OF THIS SUBSECTION

11:44 - THEY'RE READING IT IN THE CAN

11:45 - JUST HAVE TO

11:45 - SAY THAT THE RESTORATION TO

11:48 - COMPETENCY IN RESUMING THE

11:49 - PROCEEDING

11:50 - IS UP AS A CONDITION PRECEDENT

11:52 - TO ACTUALLY THE COURT'S

11:53 - AUTHORITY TO DISMISS IT.

11:55 - THERE ARE SEVERAL PROBLEMS WITH

11:57 - THAT ANALYSIS. IT'S.

12:03 - IT'S BASICALLY DESCRIBED THAT

12:05 - IN THE BY MAKE US OUR BRIEF.

12:10 - THAT TO INTERPRET THAT FASHION.

12:14 - REALLY VIOLATES RULES

12:15 - CONSTRUCTION THAT.

12:20 - AND THEY

12:20 - USE LEIBY JUST THAT

12:23 - PARTICULAR SUBJECT AND IN AN

12:24 - AMBIGUOUS LEE DESCRIBED 2

12:26 - ATTORNEYS, THE COURT HAS BEEN

12:29 - EITHER.

12:33 - PROSECUTION IF THERE'S A

12:34 - FINDING OF CONFIDENCE OR YOU

12:36 - CAN DISMISS COUNCIL. YES

12:38 - QUESTION.

12:40 - MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE

12:41 - ONLY EVALUATION WAS THE INITIAL

12:43 - EVALUATION. THE MEETING THE

12:46 - CLIENT

12:47 - INCOMPETENT CORRECT THAT'S THE

12:48 - ONLY ONE OF THOSE ASKED FOR NOT

12:50 - THE ONLY ONE THEY WANT. AND

12:52 - BASED UPON ON THE.

12:55 - STRICT CONSTRUCTION OF

12:56 - THE STATUTE WHERE DO YOU FIND

12:59 - IT WITHIN

12:59 - THE STATUTE THAT THERE SHOULD

13:01 - NOT BE A SUBSEQUENT

13:03 - EVALUATION APPEARANCE OF THE

13:06 - DEFENDANT BEFORE

13:07 - THE JUDGE TO FIND AN

13:08 - APPROPRIATE EVALUATOR SOMEBODY

13:11 - ASKED ASKED FOR NOBODY'S ASKED

13:13 - FOR IT. SO HE'LL JUST ISN'T

13:15 - THERE FOR WORK TO BE CONSIDERED

13:17 - THAT THE FENCE TECHNIQUE TO

13:19 - SEEK

13:19 - AN INCOMPETENT WE'RE TO HAVE

13:21 - SOMEONE DEEMED INCOMPETENT ARE

13:23 - YOU SAYING IT'S NOT A BURDEN.

13:25 - QUICKLY ISSUE THAT'S WHO'S

13:26 - BURDEN IS IT. THEN

13:29 - 2 WE CONTINUE THE EVALUATION OR

13:31 - SEEK AN ADDITIONAL EVALUATION

13:34 - WHERE SOME JAIL BASE COMPETENCY

13:36 - RESTORATION.

13:38 - IN ORDER TO DEEM THE

13:40 - CLIENT WEATHER REDEEMABLE OR

13:43 - NOT REDEEMABLE.

13:45 - ANYBODY BUT YEAH, I'M NOT SURE

13:46 - THAT THE LEGISLATURE PUT IT

13:48 - PARTICULAR BURDEN TO CONTINUE

13:50 - TO WELL THERE IS THAT THAT'S MY

13:51 - CONCERN THE LAW HAS NO BURDEN

13:53 - IT WAS JUST SO.

13:56 - WHY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT.

14:00 - 7, 4 '03 BIG.

14:03 - PERMITS THE STAY OF THE

14:06 - PRATT, THE PROSECUTION.

14:08 - IT PERMITS. A MOTION TO HAVE

14:11 - THE INDIVIDUAL RELEASED FROM

14:13 - JAIL.

14:16 - A RESTORATION OF CONFIDENCE.

14:18 - ALL RIGHT.

14:19 - YOU'RE ARGUING THAT THE COURT

14:21 - HAS THIS IN CURRENT RIGHT TO.

14:26 - DISMISS THE CASE.

14:34 - THIS THIS INHERENT AUTHORITY

14:36 - DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS

14:37 - STATUTE.

14:39 - HE MUST REGAIN HIS

14:41 - CONFIDENCE AND THE QUESTION I

14:43 - HAVE FOR YOU TO DO NOT SEEK

14:44 - DISMISSAL UNDER 74 '03.

14:48 - DATE WHICH SPECIFICALLY

14:50 - DISCUSSES THE DISCHARGE.

14:53 - SHOULD AS

14:54 - DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE

14:55 - SUBSTANTIAL PROBABILITY THAT HE

14:57 - WILL NOT OBTAIN CAPACITY.

15:01 - SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS AND

15:03 - ALONG ABOUT WAY WHAT DO YOU

15:04 - PURSUE IT I FIND YOUR AVENUE

15:06 - FOR REMEDY TO BE INCORRECT

15:09 - SELECTION OF THE

15:12 - 3 STATUTE. WE THOUGHT I WAS YOU

15:15 - I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHY DID

15:17 - YOU GO

15:18 - WITH AS OPPOSED TO DAY WHICH IS

15:21 - REALLY ASKING FOR A DISMISSAL

15:23 - FOR LONG-TERM IN CAPACITY.

15:28 - WE I GUESS WE DIDN'T

15:29 - READ MCARDLE WAR

15:31 - THINK THAT.

15:32 - YEAH IT WAS IT

15:34 - WAS APPLICABLE.

15:39 - IT READS WHATEVER PERSON HAS

15:41 - BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME HAS

15:42 - BEEN DETERMINED TO BE

15:43 - INCOMPETENT TO PROCEED AS HAS

15:44 - YOUR CLIENT. HE SHALL NOT FOR

15:47 - THAT REASON ALONE BE

15:48 - DETAINED PRETRIAL NEWARK SHOW

15:51 - HE IN ANY EVENT BE PAYING ON A

15:53 - CRIMINAL CHARGE LONGER THAN THE

15:56 - REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME

15:57 - NECESSARY

15:58 - TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE'S A

16:00 - SUBSTANTIAL PROBABILITY THAT HE

16:02 - WILL RETAIN THEIR CAPACITY IN

16:04 - THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. BUT AT

16:06 - THE TURN IT SHALL BE DISCHARGED

16:09 - SO I GUESS WHAT RIGHT.

16:12 - I TAKE YOUR POINT

16:13 - YOUR HONOR. I THINK THE REASON

16:15 - WE DIDN'T DO THAT WAS BECAUSE

16:16 - HE'S SERVING ANOTHER SENTENCE.

16:18 - AND WAS GOING TO BE

16:19 - DISCHARGED AND GOOD BUT OUR

16:21 - READING OF AND FOR 3

16:24 - E IS IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE YOU

16:26 - DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO

16:28 - UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGE.

16:30 - THE PRIOR CONVICTION.

16:32 - THIS STATUTE IS APPLICABLE TO

16:35 - YOUR CAKES THE STATUTE YOU

16:38 - PLANE. IS

16:40 - APPLICABLE I.

16:41 - I'M HAVING A HARD TIME

16:42 - FINDING HOW THAT IS AND I'M

16:44 - ASKING YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY

16:46 - EVEN THAT TRUMP BIG BECAUSE

16:48 - THAT'S THAT'S.

16:49 - THAT PARTICULAR SUBSECTION

16:50 - GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO.

16:54 - 3 OF THE COURT TO DISMISS IT IF

16:56 - YOU TOOK THE INCIDENT UNJUST.

16:58 - RIGHT WHEN WE INTERVIEWED THE

17:00 - STATUTE IS WRITTEN AS

17:01 - REQUIRING.

17:03 - A RESUMPTION OF COMPETENCY TO

17:05 - BE A CONDITION. SO IT YOUR

17:07 - POSITION THAT IS

17:09 - YOUR POSITION IN THAT THE

17:10 - PARTICULAR FELONY CHARGES FOR

17:12 - WHICH YOUR CLIENT WAS BEING

17:13 - DETAINED.

17:15 - SHOULD HAVE RESULTED IN HIS

17:17 - COMPLETE DISCHARGE FROM

17:18 - INCARCERATION FOR THE PRIOR

17:20 - CONVICTION NOW. THAT'S WHAT I

17:23 - MEAN.

17:25 - ASK A QUESTION I I STILL

17:27 - HAVEN'T GOT AN ANSWER AS TO WHY

17:29 - PART.

17:31 - NO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER JUSTICE

17:32 - TALKATIVE VERY UNCERTAIN WHAT

17:35 - THIS SUBSECTION WE WE 500

17:37 - SPECIFICALLY GIVES THE

17:38 - AUTHORITY OF THE COURT.

17:41 - DISMISSED THE POLICE PROCESSED

17:42 - THE PROSECUTION WOULD BE

17:43 - UNJUST. THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED

17:45 - FOR THAT REALLY.

17:47 - DID YOU REALLY MISS THAT HE

17:49 - RELATES TO CRIMINAL ATTENTION

17:50 - NOT DISMISSAL OF THE CHARGES.

17:52 - ALL RIGHT. THAT'S TIED HAS A

17:54 - QUESTION FOR YOU.

17:56 - AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION

17:59 - AND THE TRIAL COURT'S ORDER.

18:01 - THE

18:01 - TRIAL COURT BELIEVED THAT HE

18:04 - FOUND AS A MATTER

18:06 - OF FACT THAT YOUR CLIENT WOULD

18:08 - NOT REGAIN.

18:10 - COMPETENCY

18:12 - AND IF YOUR CLIENT DID AT SOME

18:15 - POINT IN THE FUTURE OR GAIN.

18:17 - COMPETENCY.

18:19 - IT WOULD BE AT SUCH A TIME IN

18:22 - THE FUTURE THAT YOUR CLIENT

18:23 - WOULD SUFFER PREJUDICE BY THE

18:25 - PASSAGE

18:26 - OF TIME AND THEREFORE DISMISSAL

18:28 - WAS IN ORDER AND YOUR POSITION

18:30 - IS THAT THE SUPERIOR COURT

18:33 - AND WE SHOULD NOT SECOND GUESS

18:35 - THAT FACTUAL DETERMINATION BY

18:37 - THE TRIAL COURT IS THAT

18:38 - CORRECT.

18:40 - I YEAH I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN

18:41 - DO THAT UNDER JUDICIAL REVIEW

18:42 - AND THAT YOUR ARGUMENT AS THOSE

18:44 - ARE THAT'S WHERE ITS FINDINGS.

18:46 - THEY WERE CHALLENGED BY THE

18:47 - A PANEL BELOW THE FINDINGS

18:49 - WERE CHALLENGE RIGHT AND THAT

18:51 - JUST WHETHER OR NOT THEIR

18:52 - SPECIALTY AUTHORITY TO

18:53 - DISCHARGE HIM PRIOR TO THE.

18:57 - RESTORATION OF CONFIDENCE.

19:00 - CAN I GO BACK TO WHY YOUR

19:01 - OPENING REMARKS AND I THINK I

19:03 - GUESS

19:06 - APPEARS TO REQUIRE

19:08 - REEXAMINATION EVERY 90 DAYS AT

19:10 - LEAST.

19:11 - WHEN SEARS FINDING OF

19:13 - INCOMPETENCY AND A REPORT IN

19:15 - THE TRIAL JUDGE DID THAT NOT

19:17 - HAPPEN HERE.

19:18 - NOBODY ASKED NOBODY ASKED WE

19:20 - ASKED THAT COMMON THING THAT'S

19:21 - FOR THAT AND I KNOW IT'S

19:23 - IT'S SHOUT. IT'S NOT A QUESTION

19:24 - OF ASKING FOR ITS SUBSECTION C

19:26 - PROVIDE. WE'RE FOLLOWING SUCH

19:28 - DETERMINATION. THE

19:29 - PERSON AWAY SHALL BE REEXAMINED

19:32 - NOT LESS THAN EVERY 90 DAYS.

19:35 - WHY FIGHT I JUST POINTED BY

19:37 - THE COURT AND A REPORT IN THE

19:40 - EXAMINATION SHALL BE PROVIDED

19:41 - TO THE COURT PERIOD. NOT THAT

19:43 - I'M ON MOTION. IT SHALL BE

19:46 - SALMON EVERY 90 DAYS.

19:48 - WHICH IN THE REAL WORLD

19:50 - DOESN'T HAPPEN YEAH EXCEPT FOR

19:52 - THE FACT THAT IF THAT DIDN'T

19:54 - HAPPEN. PICKS THEY MAY BE PART

19:56 - OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE.

20:02 - YES AND THE COURT TO GO TO THE

20:03 - EXPENSIVE BRING

20:05 - DOCTORS KILLED. I CAN DO

20:07 - ANYTHING ON MEETING WITH THE

20:08 - LEGISLATURE HAS HAD SHOWERS

20:10 - HAPPENED.

20:12 - IT'S NOT THE FIRST

20:13 - TIME TO FUNDED MANDATE IN THE

20:14 - HISTORY OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT

20:17 - WORD SAID THAT SHOUGH WAS.

20:20 - I JUST I JUST I THINK THAT

20:22 - PLAYED A ROLE IN A DUI CASE NO

20:23 - I WOULDN'T GO THERE.

20:26 - ASK YOU

20:28 - IN THIS IS SOMEWHAT IN FURTHER

20:29 - AND SO WITH JUST A STOCKY AND

20:31 - THEN JUST AS BRIBES TO

20:32 - TALK ABOUT. I'D THOUGHT IT

20:35 - SEEMS TO ME AND TELL ME IF I'M

20:36 - RIGHT OR WRONG THAT THIS CASE

20:37 - IS NOT ABOUT TENSION

20:39 - OR INCARCERATION

20:41 - BECAUSE YOUR CLIENT IS

20:42 - INCARCERATED ON OTHER CHARGES

20:44 - FOR GOODNESS KNOWS HOW LONG.

20:46 - THIS CASE IS ABOUT WHETHER

20:48 - CHARGES SHOULD REMAIN PENDING

20:50 - AGAINST HIM RIGHT IS

20:51 - THAT FAIR, LET'S HEAR

20:53 - IT IN THEIR FORT THAT'S I THINK

20:55 - WHY NOT THAT IT'S MY JOB TO

20:56 - HELP YOU WIFE OUT UNDER THE

20:58 - RATHER THE DEA THESE ABOUT

20:59 - GETTING OUT OF JAIL. HE'S ABOUT

21:01 - GETTING CHARGES

21:02 - TRUCK RIGHT DOES IT HELP YOUR

21:04 - CASE AT ALL HOW IMPORTANT IS IT

21:06 - TO YOU THAT THE TITLE

21:08 - OF E HAS THE IQ.

21:11 - THIS JUMP TO OR IN THERE.

21:13 - SO I

21:17 - TRYING TO MAKE THAT THOUGH

21:18 - THAT'S MY STATUTORY

21:19 - CONSTRUCTION ARE YOU KNOW I

21:20 - THINK WE PREETY SAYS RECENT

21:21 - RIGHT.

21:22 - RESUMPTION OF PERCEIVED OR

21:23 - DISMISSAL THAN IT IS TO SEND

21:25 - THINGS. ONE IS PRISM SUPERSEDES

21:26 - THE SECOND IS DISMISSED.

21:28 - THAT'S WHAT YOU GET YOU SEE IT

21:30 - THAT'S THAT'S MY BODY DOESN'T

21:32 - REALLY LEND A T DO YOU ANY GOOD

21:34 - BECAUSE I GOT UNDER THE

21:35 - CRIMINAL CODE. THE WAY THE WAY

21:37 - AT THE LAST LOOK AT THE FIRST

21:38 - TO SAY.

21:41 - THIS IS THE AMBIGUOUS BECAUSE

21:43 - IT'S IN THE DES DESTRUCTIVE OR

21:45 - DISMISSED.

21:47 - CLAIRE MANY THAT STATUTE IS THE

21:48 - JUDGE CAN EITHER.

21:50 - LISTEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FIND

21:53 - THAT HE'S CONFIDENT AND PRESENT

21:55 - RESUME

21:55 - THE CASE OR YOU CAN DISMISS IT

21:57 - AND THINKS JUSTICE REQUIRES

21:59 - THAT.

22:00 - THAT'S THE FIRST THAT'S THE

22:01 - FIRST REASON TO SAFEGUARD

22:02 - WAS WRONG. SECOND REASON IS IF

22:05 - IF THERE IS AMBIGUITY IN

22:06 - THE STATUTE RULE AND IT

22:08 - REQUIRES YOU TO INTERPRET IT

22:09 - AGAINST THE STATE IN FAVOR OF

22:12 - THE DEFENDANTS ARE DUE

22:12 - TO ACCEPT THE PREMISE IS THAT

22:15 - MATTERED FOR THAT ARGUE THAT

22:16 - THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK

22:18 - AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO

22:19 - THIS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

22:20 - TO GO.

22:20 - DO A LITTLE MORE THAN WE

22:22 - COULD DO PRE ARGUMENT DOES IT

22:24 - MATTER FOR THAT ARGUMENT

22:25 - RELENTED E WHICH IS ONE OF THE

22:27 - GUIDEPOST IN

22:27 - CRIMINAL LAW THAT THIS IS

22:29 - BROUGHT UNDER THE MENTAL HEALTH

22:30 - ACT RATHER THAN CRIMINAL CODE.

22:32 - ALL RIGHT. I I DO I DO I DO NOT

22:35 - SEE HOW THAT WOULD MATTER

22:36 - BECAUSE THE MENTAL HEALTH

22:37 - ISSUES THAT DEALS WITH IT.

22:39 - THE LAST

22:39 - CELEBRITY OF A MENTAL HEALTH

22:41 - PATIENT, BUT AGAIN WE'RE NOT

22:43 - THAT I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT WITH

22:44 - YOU WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT

22:44 - LOSS OF LIBERTY THAT'S THE

22:45 - POINT WE JUST MADE UP.

22:48 - WITH THAT I THINK MATTERS.

22:50 - YEAH LET ME ASK YOU FINALLY

22:52 - THEN.

22:52 - I PROPOSE THAT THE WHOLE.

22:55 - DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD.

22:58 - WHY DOES IT MAKE ANY

22:59 - DIFFERENCE TO YOUR CLIENT BEGIN

23:01 - IN REAL

23:02 - WORLD TERMS WHETHER THESE

23:03 - CHARGES REMAIN PENDING OR

23:05 - DISMISS HE'S CONFINED ON OTHER

23:07 - CHARGES. HE APPARENTLY IS

23:09 - PRETTY INCOMPETENT AND IN DUE

23:11 - COURSE THESE CHARGES WILL GO

23:12 - AWAY IN ANY EVENT.

23:14 - AN EXCELLENT QUESTION IN MY

23:16 - EXPERIENCE IN STATE PAROLE.

23:17 - WE WORK WITH WELL

23:19 - LEADS ME TO THE BELIEF THAT

23:21 - HAVING IT TO TEHRAN, YOU DOES

23:23 - IMPEDE YOUR ABILITY TO DO THING

23:25 - IN THE PRESS IN A PRISON

23:26 - SENTENCE

23:27 - SET SETTING TO A SORRY HAS THE

23:30 - ABILITY TO QUIT.

23:32 - BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DETAINER

23:33 - ON NEW DEO SEA VIEWS YOU A

23:35 - DIFFERENT MATTER YOU YOU YOU'RE

23:37 - DENIED PRIVILEGES THAT OTHER

23:39 - INMATES ARE TO GET THAT.

23:43 - PAINTER WE

23:44 - CAN HARM. INDIVIDUALS SERVING

23:46 - SET SO

23:47 - HAVING SENTENCE HAVING THIS

23:49 - OPEN CASE IN CENTRE COUNTY.

23:52 - WE CAN. ADVERSELY IMPACT HOW

23:56 - HE'S TREATED AT SCI PHOENIX

23:58 - WORRY.

23:59 - MR. KROENKE TONIGHT. I WANT TO

24:01 - GET BACK TO THE STATUTE BECAUSE

24:03 - I UNDERSTOOD THIS CASE

24:04 - IS ABOUT THE SUPERIOR COURT

24:07 - APPLYING PRECEDENT THAT SAYS

24:09 - THE SECOND SENTENCE OF

24:10 - PARAGRAPH HE DOESN'T COME INTO

24:12 - PLAY.

24:12 - UNLESS THERE'S A RETURN

24:13 - TO CAMPUS. THAT'S HOW I READ

24:16 - THE ISSUE BEFORE US WHETHER

24:17 - THAT STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION

24:18 - IS CORRECT. LET'S ASSUME THIS

24:22 - THE 2 CENSUS CAN BE READ IN THE

24:23 - DESTRUCTIVE AND I SENTENCE THAT

24:25 - YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE RELYING ON

24:28 - IN THE TRIAL COURT LIGHT ON

24:29 - SAYS IF THE COURT

24:31 - IS OF THE OPINION THAT BY

24:32 - REASON OF THE PASSAGE

24:33 - OF TIME AND ITS EFFECT UPON THE

24:35 - CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS IT WOULD

24:36 - BE UNJUST TO RESUME THE

24:38 - PROSECUTION. THE COURT MAY

24:40 - DISMISS THE CHARGE AND ORDERED

24:41 - THE PERSON DISCHARGED

24:43 - RIGHT NOW IT'S INTERESTING TO

24:44 - ME ABOUT THAT PARAGRAPH IS IT

24:45 - DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT

24:47 - PROBABILITY OF RETURNING

24:48 - TO CONFIDENCE WHICH THE

24:50 - LEGISLATURE CLEARLY KNOWS HOW

24:51 - TO SAY BECAUSE THEY SAID IT

24:52 - IN D WHAT IT REALLY DOES TO ME

24:55 - SAY IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A

24:57 - PASSAGE OF TIME.

24:59 - THAT IMPACTS THE ABILITY FOR

25:02 - THE DEFENDANT TO GET A FAIR

25:02 - TRIAL TO GET THE DISMISSAL

25:04 - UNDER THAT LANGUAGE. IF I

25:06 - UNDERSTAND THE RECORD

25:06 - CORRECTLY. THIS CASE WAS

25:08 - DISMISSED 9 MONTHS AFTER THE

25:10 - COMPETENT COMPETENCY

25:11 - DETERMINATION WAS MADE BY THE

25:13 - COURT.

25:20 - HOW IS HOW IS 9 MONTHS,

25:23 - SUFFICIENT PASSAGE

25:24 - OF TIME THAT WOULD TRIGGER A

25:26 - TRIAL COURT'S AUTHORITY UNDER

25:27 - THIS LANGUAGE SUCH THE TRIAL

25:29 - COURT COULD DETERMINE AFTER

25:31 - 9 MONTHS

25:34 - THAT BY REASON THAT PASSAGE IT

25:35 - WOULD BE UNJUST TO RESUME THE

25:36 - PROSECUTION, THE TAX PARCEL IS

25:38 - RELYING ON THE FACT THAT.

25:40 - AND THEN NO EFFORT AT ALL TO

25:42 - RESTORE HIM TO COMPETENCY IN

25:43 - THAT PERIOD AND NO EFFORTS

25:46 - COULD BE STARTED UNTIL AT LEAST

25:48 - 2 YEARS OUT. BUT

25:51 - LET MAYBE 13 YEARS AT THE SCENE

25:54 - TO ME THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE

25:55 - LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE

25:56 - IS IT THE ONLY DETERMINED HERE

25:58 - IS THE PASSAGE

25:58 - OF TIME, NOT THE PAST NOT NOT

26:01 - WHAT TIME THEY PASS IN THE

26:02 - FUTURE. BUT THE PASSAGE OF TIME

26:04 - AT THE TIME THE TRIAL JUDGE

26:05 - ASSESSES THE MOTION TO DISMISS

26:06 - AND HERE THERE WAS ONLY

26:07 - 9 MONTHS AND THE TRIAL COURT

26:09 - WAS KIND OF LOOKING IN THE

26:10 - PROGNOSTICATING IN THE FUTURE.

26:12 - IT MAY VERY WELL BE 2 YEARS

26:14 - DOWN THE ROAD. HE'S RECEIVED

26:16 - NO TREATMENT. HE'S

26:18 - HE'S AND AT THAT POINT TIME

26:20 - WITNESSES HAVE DIED EVIDENCE A

26:21 - STALE ALL THAT

26:22 - OTHER STUFF. BUT I'M HAVING A

26:24 - HARD TIME AND GRAFTING INTO THE

26:27 - SECOND

26:27 - SENTENCE BE THE PROBABILITY TO

26:30 - RETURN TO ATTAIN CAPACITY IN

26:32 - THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE LANGUAGE

26:33 - THAT IS IN D WHICH I THINK IS

26:35 - NECESSARY TO GET WHERE YOU WANT

26:36 - TO GO.

26:38 - OTHER THAN THE

26:40 - PANEL BELOW WE DIDN'T CHALLENGE

26:43 - THAT AS AN ABUSE OF THE COURT'S

26:44 - DISCRETION MAKE

26:45 - THAT CONCLUSION. I THINK ON

26:47 - REVIEW WE CAN DO THAT JUDGE

26:49 - MARSHALL WE HEARD THE EVIDENCE

26:51 - THE OR THE.

26:52 - HE SAW THE DEFENDANT HE HE

26:54 - KNOWS THE FACTS THE CASE HE

26:55 - MADE THAT A DECISION THAT NO

26:57 - ONE IS REALLY QUICKLY WHAT WELL

26:59 - COUNCIL I THINK.

27:01 - TO ADDRESS JUSTICE PROB

27:04 - SINCE CONCERN.

27:05 - THERE WASN'T A DESIGNATION OF

27:08 - THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO

27:09 - PASS AND.

27:11 - THAT

27:13 - MY MIND WOULD PUT IT SQUARELY

27:15 - WITHIN THE TRIAL COURT'S

27:16 - DISCRETION

27:17 - TO DECIDE IT AND UNLESS HE

27:19 - ABUSED THAT DISCRETION. YOU

27:21 - KNOW IT WAS A DISCRETIONARY

27:24 - DECISION WAS WITHIN HIS

27:26 - BAILIWICK TO MAKE.

27:28 - ALTHOUGH YOUR KIT YOU DO YOU

27:30 - AGREE WITH THAT RIGHT THAT WAS

27:31 - A SOFTBALL AND I MIGHT WELL

27:34 - AGREE WITH JUSTICE TODD THAT A

27:36 - FAIR READING OF WHAT THE TRIAL

27:38 - COURT

27:38 - DID HERE.

27:39 - WAS HE THREW UP HIS HANDS OUT

27:41 - OF ABSOLUTE FRUSTRATION WITH

27:42 - THE CATCH 22 YEAH

27:44 - UNDER OUR SYSTEM YOU CAN'T GET

27:46 - MENTAL

27:46 - HEALTH ASSISTANCE. COMPETENCY

27:49 - RESTORATION ASSISTANCE SO LONG

27:51 - AS YOUR STATE INMATE.

27:52 - AND YOU CAN'T AVOID THE STATE

27:54 - INMATES ATTA SO LONG AS YOU

27:56 - REMAIN CONFIDENT, AND I THINK

27:58 - THE FACT THAT AFTER.

28:00 - VARIOUS ORDERS AND VARIOUS

28:02 - EFFORTS. THE TRIAL COURT COULD

28:03 - MAKE NO HEADWAY IN GETTING YOUR

28:06 - CLIENT COMPETENCY

28:07 - RESTORATION SERVICES. WELL IT

28:09 - WAS NICE TO MAY SNEAK TO BE

28:12 - SOME DISCRETION BUT I THINK

28:13 - THAT'S WHAT WAS PUSHING HIM

28:15 - WOULD YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE

28:18 - IF YOUR CLIENT RECEIVING ANY

28:20 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT.

28:22 - HE'S TERRIFIC SAVING

28:24 - BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TREATMENT.

28:28 - WE BELIEVE THAT WAS TESTIMONY

28:29 - AT THE.

28:32 - HEARING ON THE MOTION TO

28:33 - DISMISS THERE WAS TESTIMONY

28:34 - FROM THE DNC THAT HE SEES A

28:36 - PSYCHIATRIST EVERY 30 DAYS.

28:40 - I'M SURE HE'S MEDICATED.

28:43 - MANIFESTATIONS OF THIS MIDDLE

28:45 - OF THE CITY. CAUSE PROBLEMS AND

28:47 - THE JAIL SET SETTING. BUT

28:48 - CLEARLY IS NOT RESEARCH

28:50 - RECEIVING ANY THE THING THAT

28:51 - WOULD RESTORE HIM TO

28:52 - COMPETENCY. ADDRESSING THE

28:54 - SYMPTOMS DOESN'T STAR WANT

28:56 - TO COME.

28:57 - MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN THE

28:58 - WAY HE RECEIVING MENTAL HEALTH

29:01 - TREATMENT. I MEAN DEATHS AND

29:02 - THE RECORD THAT'S ONE

29:04 - WOULD WONDER. WHAT KIND OF

29:07 - MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE

29:08 - AVAILABLE TO

29:09 - INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS.

29:12 - AND AND YOU KNOW TO GET BACK TO

29:14 - MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT THE

29:16 - REQUIREMENT THAT ANY

29:17 - DISSEMINATION I MEAN IF WE'RE

29:19 - GOING TO SAY WELL THE REALITY

29:21 - IS

29:21 - IT THAT. WELL THEN MAYBE THE

29:23 - REALITY IS THAT THE PASSAGE OF

29:24 - TIME CAN BE THE DETERMINATIVE

29:26 - FACTOR ALL TIME.

29:31 - DEAL WITH THE PASSAGE OF A

29:33 - THAT CAPS AND

29:34 - IN MY HOME STATE IT DOES TODAY

29:37 - 7 LAYER BUT SOME SECTIONS OF

29:39 - THE DEALS WITH THE REQUIREMENT

29:40 - THAT AN EXAMINATION OF

29:42 - INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN NEED OF

29:44 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT WHICH

29:46 - ISN'T HAPPENING.

29:48 - AND THAT DEALS WITH THE STEADY.

29:51 - WELL LIKE THIS DAY DOESN'T

29:52 - MENTION DISMISSED. PRESUMABLY

29:54 - IF THE STATE GOES ON TOO LONG.

29:56 - YOU GO BACK TO BE.

29:59 - IN THE STATE IS LET'S SAY THE

30:00 - STAY IS LIFTED AFTER 7 YEARS IF

30:02 - THE STAY IS LIFTED.

30:05 - IF THE STATE HAS TO BE LIFTED

30:06 - AT 7 RIGHT.

30:08 - THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE CASE IS

30:09 - NOT CONFIDENT.

30:11 - THEN I THINK WHAT DO YOU DO YOU

30:13 - GO TO EAT YOU GO TO THE SECOND

30:15 - SENSE OF THE IN GET THE COURT

30:16 - DISMISSAL BECAUSE OF THE

30:17 - PASSAGE OF TIME IT WOULD BE

30:18 - UNJUST TO TRY THAT PERSON.

30:21 - SO THE COURT COULD LIFT THE

30:22 - STAY WHILE THESE INCOMPETENT

30:24 - CAN BEAT RIGHT.

30:27 - THE CHARGES WOULD BE DISMISSED

30:29 - AT

30:29 - THAT POINT. NOW THIS YES DIED

30:31 - YEARS THE STATUTE ONLY SAYS

30:33 - THAT THAT PARAGRAPH STATION

30:34 - TALKS ABOUT LIFTING THE STATE

30:36 - DOESN'T TALK ABOUT DISMISSING

30:37 - CHARGES DISMISSING CHARGES IN.

30:39 - BUT BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING.

30:42 - IF YOU CAN'T BEAT RIGHT.

30:44 - AND THE STAY IS LIFTED. WE

30:46 - CAN'T PROCEED.

30:47 - WELL I I AM SORT OF AGREEING

30:49 - WITH THAT I'M NOT SURE I AGREE

30:51 - WITH THE SUPREME COURT

30:52 - SUPERIOR COURTS. READING THAT

30:55 - THERE MUST BE A RESTORATION OF

30:56 - COMPETENCY BEFORE THE SECOND

30:58 - SENSE OF THE E

30:59 - IS TRIGGERED WHAT I'M SAYING IS

31:01 - HE IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT

31:03 - ADDRESSES DISMISSAL. EVERYTHING

31:05 - ELSE ABOUT STAYS OR DISCHARGE

31:07 - FROM CUSTODY. AND IT SEEMS TO

31:09 - ME IF THE STAY IS LIFTED AFTER

31:11 - A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME YOU

31:12 - HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEFENSE

31:14 - COUNSEL TO GO INTO THE TRIAL

31:15 - COURT AND SAY.

31:17 - 2 OUT TOO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED

31:18 - EVEN IF WE COULD GET THE PERSON

31:20 - RESTORED TO COMPETENCY TOO MUCH

31:21 - TIME HAS PASSED WITNESSES

31:22 - RECOLLECTIONS ARE

31:24 - ARE FRAYED. BEEN DESTROYED

31:26 - WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ARGUE IT

31:27 - WOULD BE UNJUST TO GO TO TRIAL.

31:29 - AND YES FOR DISMISSAL.

31:32 - WELL WE SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO 7

31:34 - YEAR. I THINK YOU SHOULD

31:36 - HAVE WON. I DON'T KNOW I MEAN I

31:38 - HAVE I'VE MY FINAL THOUGHT ON

31:40 - THIS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING

31:41 - TO SAY THE POINT IS I READ THE

31:42 - STATUTORY LANGUAGE, IT'S ABOUT

31:44 - PASSAGE OF TIME IT'S NOT ABOUT

31:46 - RESTORATION OF COMPETENCY.

31:48 - JUST AS MANY AS A QUESTION AND

31:50 - THEN WE'RE GOING TO HERE FOR

31:51 - THE OTHER SIDE. CERTAINLY UP.

31:53 - MISTER CROWLEY, WHAT WOULD THE

31:56 - RECCOMENDATION BE TO THIS COURT

31:58 - WITH REGARD TO THE DISPOSITION

32:00 - OF THIS APPEAL.

32:02 - WOULD YOU LOOK IS IT

32:04 - NECESSARY TO HAVE A REAM AND TO

32:05 - HAVE EVALUATION OF

32:07 - YOUR CLIENT.

32:08 - WHAT I THINK YOU CAN SAFELY

32:09 - GUARD WAS WRONGLY DECIDED.

32:13 - AND OUR GOAL WAS WRONGLY

32:15 - DECIDED AND OVERTURN IT THAT

32:17 - THAT THIS REMEDY

32:18 - DOES LIE IN FOR A 3 OK ASSUMING

32:21 - THAT'S PART OF YOUR.

32:24 - DISPOSITION. WHAT I'M LOOKING

32:26 - FOR IS AT

32:27 - THIS POINT THERE'S BEEN

32:29 - CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME

32:30 - THAT'S PASSED SINCE YOUR CLIENT

32:32 - APPARENTLY HAS TESTED.

32:34 - FOR HIS COMPETENCY IS THAT

32:36 - NECESSARY AT THIS POINT OR IS

32:37 - ENOUGH TIME GONE BY. SO THAT

32:40 - YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S

32:42 - PREJUDICIAL AT THIS TIME FOR

32:43 - HIM TO FACE A PROSECUTION.

32:48 - TRUE WAS 9 MONTHS BETWEEN THE

32:49 - FILING. THE TERMINATION A

32:52 - COMPETENCY.

32:57 - A YEAR AND A HALF.

32:59 - TO THE INCIDENT AND HE

33:00 - WAS NOT WE'RE CONFIDENT AT

33:02 - THAT TIME BECAUSE HE WAS

33:06 - SUFFERING FROM THIS BIPOLAR

33:08 - DISORDER WITH PSYCHOTIC

33:09 - FEATURES. SO IT'S IT'S BEEN

33:11 - ON IT IT'S BEEN ALMOST 5 YEARS

33:13 - TO DATE.

33:15 - SINCE THE CHART, THE FIRST

33:17 - CHARGES FIGHT IN THIS CASE

33:19 - COUNTS AND IF WE WERE TO TAKE

33:20 - YOUR ARGUMENT WHICH LOGICAL

33:22 - EXTREME. IF WE WERE TO REVERSE

33:25 - THIS CASE. ANYONE KNEW WHO

33:28 - ALLEGES OR IS DIAGNOSED WITH

33:30 - BIPOLAR DISORDER.

33:34 - AND IT IS DEEMED INCOMPETENT

33:36 - WOULD BE SOME EARLY DISCHARGE.

33:40 - BECAUSE THEY'RE IRREDEEMABLE

33:42 - LEE NOT ABLE TO BE RESTORED IS

33:44 - THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT AT THE

33:45 - ARGUMENT IS. AND EVERYBODY

33:47 - AGREES HE WAS INCOMPETENT.

33:50 - I MEAN THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE

33:53 - UNTIL THE MOTION JUST MINUTES.

33:57 - FOR ANOTHER COMPETENCY

33:58 - EVALUATION. THE JUDGE

33:59 - SAID THAT BUT THE QUESTION

34:01 - BECOMES I WAS ABLE TO BE

34:03 - RESTORED TROOPER. I GUESS THE

34:04 - QUESTION IS IF YOU HAVE BIPOLAR

34:06 - AND YOU ARE REQUIRED OR YOU

34:08 - BECOME REGIMENTED WILL TAKE

34:09 - YOUR MEDICATION, YOU'RE

34:10 - BECOMING A PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN

34:12 - AND

34:12 - COMPETENT AND THE QUESTION HERE

34:15 - IS WHAT'S THE BLOCKAGE OF THE

34:18 - CLIENT RECEIVING HIS

34:19 - APPROPRIATE

34:20 - MEDIC MEDICATION TO HAVE HIM

34:22 - RESTORED TO THAT LEVEL OF

34:23 - COMPETENCE. IT WASN'T

34:26 - MEDICATION THAT WITHIN THE

34:28 - RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ALL

34:29 - AGREE TO

34:30 - IT WAS PROGRAMMING TO RESTORE

34:32 - THE COMPETENCY WHICH IS MORE

34:34 - THAN JUST GIVING A HOUND

34:35 - DOG SHOT OR WHATEVER AND IT

34:37 - WASN'T JUST BIPOLAR WITH THIS

34:39 - INDIVIDUAL

34:40 - PSYCHOTIC FEATURES DELUSIONS A

34:42 - GRAND JURY PERSECUTION COMPLEX

34:43 - IS THE REASON PEOPLES.

34:45 - INMATES IT'S ALL TAKEN MINUTES.

34:48 - WE ARE I UNDERSTAND MUST BE A

34:50 - FUN CLIENT TO DEAL WITH THE

34:51 - COUNCIL CAN

34:52 - I JUST EVEN FROM 9 TO 1, 1, FOR

34:55 - TRASH CAN. IS WITH METAL THE

34:57 - SAME IS DISCHARGED.

35:01 - INTERESTING QUESTION.

35:07 - THERE'S PROBABLY A STATION IN

35:09 - THERE.

35:11 - THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MAY USE.

35:13 - YEAH IT THEY DISMISS THAT

35:15 - CHARGE AND ORDERED THE PERSON

35:16 - DISCHARGE. BUT I JUST THERE TO

35:18 - DIFFERENT.

35:22 - IN ANY WAY WE CAN NOT BE JUST

35:27 - IF THE CHARGES ARE

35:28 - DISMISSED HERE. MAYBE HE'S NOT

35:30 - DISCHARGED AND THE CHARGES BE

35:32 - REINSTATED IF THE TEAM'S

35:34 - CONFIDENCE IN THE PAST A STATUE

35:36 - LIMIT ART STATUE OF LIMITATIONS

35:38 - TO REFI.

35:41 - THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

35:45 - THANK YOU THANK YOU.

36:06 - THANK YOU

36:06 - HONORABLE JUSTICES OF THE

36:08 - SUPREME COURT MAY IT PLEASE THE

36:10 - AND IT HAPPENED ON BEHALF OF

36:11 - THE COMMONWEALTH.

36:13 - I AM ASKING YOU TO A FIRM AND

36:15 - THE DECISION OF THE SUPERIOR

36:16 - COURT BELOW WHICH REVERSED THE

36:18 - DISMISSAL OF THE CHARGES

36:19 - AGAINST THE APPELLANT BY THE

36:21 - TRIAL COURT.

36:23 - THE CALM OF MAINTAINED THAT THE

36:24 - TRIAL COURT'S DISMISSAL OF THE

36:26 - CHARGES PURSUANT TO SECTION 74

36:29 - 3 E OF THE MENTAL HEALTH

36:30 - PROCEDURES ACT WAS CONTRARY TO

36:32 - BOTH STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND

36:34 - PENNSYLVANIA CASE LAW. THAT

36:36 - EVIDENCE WAS INSUFFICIENT TO

36:37 - SUPPORT THE TRIAL COURT'S

36:39 - ASSUMPTION AND CONCLUSION THAT

36:41 - THE APPELLANT WOULD BE

36:42 - PREJUDICE IF YOU ARE RESTORED

36:43 - TO COMPETENCY AND MADE TO STAND

36:45 - TRIAL AT A LATER DATE.

36:47 - AND THE TRIAL COURT SHOULD HAVE

36:48 - ORDERED A COMPETENCY EVALUATION

36:50 - BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN

36:51 - SERVICES RATHER THAN DISMISSING

36:53 - THE CHARGES.

36:55 - FIRST CAUGHT IT WAS CONTRARY

36:57 - TO STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND

36:59 - PENNSYLVANIA CASE LAW. THE

37:01 - TRIAL COURT ERRED

37:02 - WHEN IT

37:03 - INDIVIDUALLY AND SELECTIVELY

37:05 - RELIED ON THE SECOND SENTENCE

37:08 - OF THAT SECTION 743 E

37:11 - FOR GROUNDS FOR TO DISMISSAL OF

37:13 - THE CHARGES. RATHER THAN

37:15 - READING THE SECTION AS A WHOLE

37:17 - THE STATUTE'S PLAIN LANGUAGE

37:19 - PROVIDES THE BEST EVIDENCE OF

37:21 - THE LEGISLATURE'S INTENT AND

37:23 - THE PLAIN LANGUAGE IN THIS CASE

37:25 - INDICATES THAT 743 E

37:28 - IS ASSUMING THAT A PERSON HAS

37:31 - BEEN RESTORED TO COMPETENCY

37:34 - AND THEN CAN RESUME I COULD I

37:35 - ASK YOU COUNSEL AND I

37:38 - I.

37:38 - HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING

37:39 - YOU MAY BE LIKE THOSE JUDGES

37:41 - 200 YEARS AGO IN THE ONE OF

37:42 - THOSE LIKE MORONS THAT COMES

37:43 - OUT. BUT.

37:50 - THE DISMISSAL OF CHARGES IS NOT

37:52 - AVAILABLE.

37:55 - TO AN INCOMPETENT DEFENDANT.

37:59 - UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES

38:00 - IN E YOU'RE SAYING ARE YOU NOT

38:04 - THE STATUTE HERE DOESN'T

38:06 - PROVIDE FOR DISMISSAL OF THE

38:07 - CHARGES IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE

38:09 - AREN'T YOU.

38:10 - SO THERE'D TO SIT AREAS THAT

38:14 - ARE WRITTEN AND 2 SECTIONS 743

38:16 - AS A WHOLE WHERE THE CASE WOULD

38:18 - HAVE TO BE DISMISSED ONE WOULD

38:20 - BE AN E WHERE SOMEONE WAS

38:21 - RESTORED TO COMPETENCY DOUBLE

38:23 - WE'RE TALKING WE'RE PUTTING

38:24 - THAT ASIDE EVERYBODY AGREES.

38:27 - THIS PERSON IS NOT COMPETENT

38:29 - AND NOT REGAIN INCOMPETENCE.

38:31 - YES, SO IF YOU LOOK

38:35 - TOO SECTION F 743 AFTER

38:38 - THAT TALKS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF

38:39 - THE STAY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT

38:43 - THIS CASE. IT'S A FELONY OF

38:44 - THE 3RD DEGREE SO THAT IS 7

38:46 - YEARS. SO.

38:49 - THE CASE IS STATED TO PRESERVE

38:51 - HIS RIGHTS BUT THE

38:52 - COMMONWEALTH, CONSTITUTIONALLY

38:54 - WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE

38:56 - HIM IF THE STAY HAD TO

38:59 - BE LIFTED BY THE CONSTITUTION I

39:02 - CAN'T PROSECUTE SOMEONE WHO IS

39:03 - THE COP TO IT.

39:04 - SO YOU'RE GONNA MISS MAX OF 7

39:06 - YEARS RIGHT.

39:09 - WE'RE USING HIS

39:09 - MAXIMUM SENTENCE AS THE PAIR

39:12 - MET THE PERIOD OF TIME. DURING

39:14 - WHICH YOU CAN BE PROSECUTED.

39:16 - WE BROUGHT BACK TO COMPETENCY.

39:19 - IT IS WHAT IT WOULD APPEAR TO

39:21 - BE IF YOU LOOK AT 743 AFTER

39:23 - BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU SHALL

39:25 - NOT

39:26 - STAY IT. LONGER THAN

39:28 - THE PERIOD, THE MAXIMUM

39:30 - SENTENCE THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE

39:32 - OR 10 YEARS WHICHEVER IS

39:33 - SHORTER SO 7 YEARS WOULD BE

39:35 - SHORTER.

39:36 - THEN 10 YEARS IN THIS

39:38 - WEALTH. YEAH YOU SHOOT BEFORE

39:40 - THIS COURT IS UNIQUE IN THE

39:41 - SENSE THAT THE INTENT OF

39:43 - THIS STATUTE.

39:44 - IS THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL

39:46 - ACCUSED OF A CRIME IS DEEMED

39:48 - INCOMPETENT THAT.

39:50 - SHE IS TO

39:52 - REDUCE EVE. JAIL BASED RESTORED

39:56 - TO COMPETENCY.

39:58 - SERVICES IN THIS PARTICULAR

40:00 - SCENARIO.

40:02 - THIS IS NOT A SINGULAR OFFENSE

40:05 - THAT'S BLOCKING.

40:06 - THE RESTORATION. IT'S THE PRIOR

40:09 - CONVICTION.

40:11 - SUCH THAT THE PRIOR CONVICTION

40:13 - IN THE CURRENT PINO

40:14 - STATE INSTITUTIONS DO

40:17 - NOT PERMIT.

40:18 - AS STATE INCARCERATED

40:21 - INDIVIDUAL TO GET THE

40:22 - NECESSARY.

40:24 - RESTORATION AT EITHER

40:26 - NORTH COUNTERPARTS SO WHAT ARE

40:29 - WE TO DO WHAT IS THAT JUDGE TO

40:31 - DO.

40:31 - WHEN THIS SYSTEM,

40:33 - NOT WITHIN THE READING OF THE

40:35 - STATUTE OR ANY INTERPRETATION

40:37 - OF THE STATUTE IS BLOCKING.

40:40 - AN

40:40 - INDIVIDUAL THAT THE

40:41 - COMMONWEALTH AND THE DEFENSE

40:43 - HAVE CONCEDED WOULD BE

40:45 - INCOMPETENT WOULD BE.

40:48 - MOST EU MAIN THING NOT TO BE

40:50 - WITHDRAWAL

40:50 - THESE CHARGES WHICH EMANATE

40:52 - FROM THE VERY PSYCHIATRIC

40:54 - DISORDER.

40:58 - HE THREW URINE AT

40:59 - A GUARD AND SPED UP

41:01 - ON ONE WHICH IS CLEARLY

41:03 - INDICATIVE OF HIS.

41:05 - DETERIORATING MENTAL HEALTH.

41:08 - SO HOW ARE HOW WAS THE

41:10 - TRIAL JUDGE TO HANDLE THIS

41:12 - SCENARIO. THAT WAS NOT WITHIN

41:14 - THE STATUTE AND NOT WITHIN HIS

41:17 - OR HER CONTROL. WHAT'S

41:18 - YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

41:19 - SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IN

41:20 - THE WITNESSES THAT I DID AT THE

41:22 - HEARING FOR THE MOTION TO

41:23 - DISMISS WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN

41:25 - THE CONFINES OF WHAT OUR WE'RE

41:27 - ABLE TO SO MISS PENN CHAR'S

41:30 - TESTIFIED TO WHO WORKS FOR THE

41:31 - DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES

41:33 - AND WHAT DOCTOR RIGHT

41:35 - TESTIFIED TO WHO WORKS FOR THE

41:37 - DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS THEY

41:39 - WORK TOGETHER IN SITUATIONS

41:40 - SUCH

41:40 - AS THESE. THE DEPARTMENT OF

41:42 - CORRECTIONS WILL PROVIDE MENTAL

41:44 - HEALTH TREATMENT FOR THE

41:45 - INDIVIDUAL. AND THE DEPARTMENT

41:47 - OF HUMAN SERVICES WILL

41:48 - SEND AN EVALUATOR IN IT TO US

41:51 - REVIEW THAT INDIVIDUAL SPEAK

41:53 - WITH THEM AND SEE IF THEY'RE

41:54 - ABLE. TOO BIG REGAIN COMPETENCY

41:58 - AT THAT POINT AND WHAT DOCTOR

42:00 - WRIGHT DID TESTIFY TO IS THAT

42:03 - THE DEO STEVE THEY CAN ADJUST

42:05 - AND INMATES TREATMENT THAT

42:07 - THEY'RE RECEIVING WITHIN THE

42:08 - FACILITY. THEY CAN ADJUST THAT

42:11 - SHOULD THEY BE FOUND TO BE IN

42:12 - CONFIDENT AND SHE ALSO

42:14 - TESTIFIED THAT PART OF THEIR

42:16 - MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT WITH

42:17 - AND THE D O C IS MEANT TO

42:19 - STABILIZE AN INDIVIDUAL.

42:21 - SO IT GOES TO SHOW THAT MIGHT

42:23 - STOP YOU THAT YOU'RE GETTING

42:25 - INTO A FACT-BASED ARGUMENT

42:26 - WHICH IS NOT THIS COURT'S.

42:28 - BAILEY WORK WHAT WE'RE

42:29 - INTERESTED IS THE

42:30 - STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION. FOR

42:34 - WHATEVER

42:35 - IS E SO IF YOU COULD DIRECT

42:37 - YOURSELF TO THAT, BUT LET ME

42:39 - SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU ALONG

42:40 - THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE STATUE

42:43 - AMBIGUOUS.

42:44 - NO I DON'T THINK 74 THREES

42:46 - AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW

42:47 - YOU CAN SAY THAT WE'RE OFFICE

42:49 - SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AS TO

42:51 - WHETHER THESE ARE.

42:52 - THE FIRST SENTENCE SECOND

42:54 - SENTENCE.

42:56 - WHICH IS THE WAY ARE OPPOSING

42:57 - COUNSEL WOULD READ IT WHETHER

42:59 - IT'S ONE CONTINUE.

43:01 - AND OF COURSE IT'S IT THERE'S

43:02 - AN OR IN ITS TITLE. HOW CAN YOU

43:05 - SAY THAT IT'S CLEAR.

43:07 - I GUESS YOU CAN STICK YOUR GUYS

43:08 - BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE

43:10 - LOADED.

43:12 - WHEN YOU ARE READ A STATUE

43:14 - YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE EFFECT

43:16 - TO ALL OF ITS PIECES AND YOU'RE

43:19 - SUPPOSED TO READ THEM TOGETHER.

43:21 - SO THERE ARE ONLY 2 SENTENCES

43:23 - IN THIS

43:24 - ONE SECTION AND BOTH SENTENCES

43:27 - SPECIFICALLY CONTEMPLATE

43:28 - RESUMPTION OF PROCEEDINGS.

43:30 - THEY BOTH USE THE WORD RESUME

43:32 - EVEN THE SECOND SENTENCE IS

43:33 - TALKING ABOUT RESUMING.

43:35 - IT IS STATE AND THERE'S MENTAL

43:37 - HEALTH

43:37 - PROCEDURES ACT THE CASE IS

43:39 - STAYED SO CLEARLY IT'S

43:41 - CONTEMPLATING.

43:43 - BEING RESUMED THE WAY THAT IS

43:44 - RESUMED AS IF THAT PERSON

43:46 - REGAINS COMPETENCY. BUT IF WHAT

43:48 - IF.

43:49 - READING THAT READING THIS

43:51 - PROVISION THAT YOU SENSE OF

43:52 - THIS PROVISION.

43:58 - IF THE COMPETENCE IS REGAIN THE

44:00 - PROCEEDING SHALL

44:00 - BE RESUMED. THEN IF THE COURT

44:03 - IS OF THE OPINION BY THE REASON

44:05 - THE PASSAGE OF TIME IT'S

44:06 - ENTERED SEVERAL BE UNJUST TO

44:07 - RESUME. THE COURT

44:09 - MAY DISMISS. SO.

44:13 - WHY WOULD IT BE UNJUST.

44:18 - OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE HAS

44:20 - NOT REGAINED HIS COMPETENCE.

44:23 - IF YOU REGAIN HIS COMPETENCE

44:24 - PRESUMABLY IT'S NOT AN JUSTIN

44:26 - GO FORWARD.

44:28 - SO THIS THIS IS

44:31 - THE

44:32 - WAY THE 743 AS A WHOLE

44:34 - CAN IT HAS CONSTRUCTED ALLOWS

44:38 - THE DEFENDANT TO ASSERT THAT

44:41 - THERE HAS BEEN SOME PREJUDICE.

44:42 - WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT

44:44 - ON EVIDENCE ABOUT

44:46 - HOW THE PASSAGE OF TIME HAS

44:48 - IMPACTED YOUR ABILITY TO.

44:51 - PRESENTED DEFENSE WHETHER IT BE

44:53 - IMPACT ON YOUR MEMORY WHETHER

44:55 - IT BE SPOILING ATION OF

44:56 - EVIDENCE LOSS OF WITNESS NOT A

44:58 - STREAM READING IS IT

45:00 - MORE LOGICAL.

45:02 - TO READ THIS AND REALIZE THE

45:04 - LEGISLATURE WAS SAYING LOOK IF

45:06 - EVERYBODY AGREES. THIS

45:07 - GUY'S NOT YOU KNOW COMING BACK

45:09 - INTO THE REALM OF SANITY.

45:12 - THE COURT MAY DISMISS IT

45:14 - DOESN'T NOT THE COURT MUST

45:15 - DISMISS THE COURT MAY. AND THIS

45:17 - COURT AND ITS DISCRETION.

45:20 - WEIGH THE EVIDENCE IN AND DID

45:22 - DISMISS IT ISN'T THAT THE MORE

45:24 - LOGICAL READING OF WHAT THE

45:25 - LEGISLATURE DID HERE,

45:27 - WE'LL HAVE.

45:28 - THE LEGISLATURE WANTED THE

45:30 - TRIAL COURT TO HAVE THE ABILITY

45:32 - TO HAVE THE DISCRETION TO

45:33 - UNILATERALLY DISMISS A CASE IT

45:36 - WOULD HAVE SAID THAT.

45:38 - IT DOES BUT THE OTHER

45:38 - ARGUMENT IS IT DID SAY THAT

45:40 - YEAH IT DOES SAY THAT COULD

45:41 - MAKE WHICH BRINGS ME BACK AND

45:43 - THEY KEEP HARPING ON

45:44 - THIS POINT BUT THIS ENTIRE

45:46 - STAFF HE IS BASED ON AN

45:48 - UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERY 90

45:50 - DAYS, THE TRIAL JUDGE IS GOING

45:51 - TO BE TOLD HOW THIS GUY DOING.

45:54 - YES

45:54 - AND SO IT WOULD BE A 3RD LET'S

45:57 - ASSUME FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT

45:58 - THAT THE STATUTE WORKS IN THE

46:00 - MANNER IN WHICH THE LEGISLATURE

46:01 - INTENDED THAT EVERY

46:03 - 90 DAYS FOR 2 YEARS A TRIAL

46:06 - JUDGE GETS REPORTED THAT SAYS

46:08 - HE'S NEVER GOING TO

46:10 - BE COMPETENT. HE IS NEVER GOING

46:12 - TO BE CONFIDENT HE'S NEVER

46:14 - GOING TO BE COMPETENT.

46:15 - THE JUDGE CERTAINLY CAN SUE US

46:17 - POINT THEY SAY I'M MISSING THE

46:19 - CHARGES.

46:21 - I MEAN IT AND AND YOU

46:23 - KNOW WE'RE CERTAIN OF ISOLATING

46:25 - THIS STATUE TO THESE 2

46:26 - SENTENCES WITHOUT IN MY VIEW,

46:29 - LOOKING AT THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT

46:31 - IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE.

46:33 - SO IN THAT

46:34 - THESE 90 DAY ASSESSMENTS DID

46:36 - NOT TAKE PLACE WHY DIDN'T HE

46:38 - COMMONWEALTH ASKED FOR AN

46:39 - ASSESSMENT OR DO YOU AGREE HE'S

46:42 - NEVER GOING TO REGAIN

46:43 - COMPETENCY.

46:44 - I DON'T AGREE THAT HE'S NEVER

46:46 - GOING TO REGAIN COMPETENCY

46:47 - THERE WAS NEVER EVIDENCE

46:49 - PRESENTED TO SAY THAT DOCTORS

46:50 - CAN TELL IS REPORT DIDN'T SAY

46:52 - THAT WHY DIDN'T HE ASK WE CAN

46:54 - MAKE IT I DID ASK FOR

46:55 - EXAMINATION.

46:58 - AND THAT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE

47:00 - IT WOULD GET.

47:01 - YOU ASKED FOR A REEXAMINATION

47:03 - AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE

47:04 - MOTION TO DISMISS WAS FILED IS

47:07 - THAT ACCURATE. YES, I

47:08 - DID THAT.

47:09 - WELL LET ME ASK YOU BEFORE WE

47:10 - CONCLUDE REALLY QUICK NOT ONLY.

47:13 - WE SPENT WE DO I THINK IT'S IN

47:15 - THAT AND THE NEW STATUTE THAT

47:17 - DOESN'T MEAN YOU

47:17 - DON'T PREVAIL. I ALSO THINK

47:19 - THERE'S NO CASE LAW SUPPORTING

47:20 - YOU IN IN HAYS OR.

47:24 - THE COURT AND SUPERIOR COURT

47:25 - DETERMINED THAT THE DEFENDANT

47:26 - WAS COMPETENT.

47:28 - THEREFORE IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO

47:30 - TO THE TO 7 O 4 E

47:32 - WE DECIDED WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING

47:34 - SHOULD BE DISMISSED OR NOT IF

47:36 - THE DEFENDANT REMAINS

47:37 - INCOMPETENT. NEVERTHELESS IT

47:39 - DID THAT BUT THAT WAS PURE

47:40 - DICTATE THAT IN THE WHICH WAS

47:42 - DECIDED SOME MONTHS

47:43 - LATER APPARENTLY. THE COURT

47:46 - SAID WERE CONSTRAINED BY A HAZE

47:49 - OR TO RULE THIS WAY AND AGAIN

47:52 - RESPECTFULLY MCARDLE

47:53 - WAS WRONG BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN

47:55 - THE SPIRIT COURT WAS NOT

47:56 - OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE PURE

47:58 - DICK TO PACER NOT THE TAKE

48:00 - ISSUE WITH THAT ANALYSIS.

48:07 - WELL

48:09 - WE DECIDED THAT

48:10 - 743 E DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE

48:14 - THEY READ THAT SECTION AS THE

48:16 - DEFENDANT HAVING TOO REGAIN

48:18 - COMPETENCE FIRST.

48:20 - AND THEY THEY

48:22 - THEMSELVES FOUND THAT THERE WAS

48:23 - NO CASE LAW OR STATUTE THAT

48:25 - ALLOWED FOR DISMISSAL WHETHER

48:26 - DNA IS COPIED YOU READ THAT

48:28 - PART OF IT I'M SURE YOU'VE READ

48:29 - IT DID NOT RELY ON TASER.

48:32 - IT DID DISCUSS THESE ARE YES

48:34 - AND IN A NEW GREEN HAZE IT WAS

48:36 - PURE GET THERE.

48:37 - IT WAS DICK TO YES AND LET ME

48:39 - ASK YOU IT HAS COURTS GENERALLY

48:42 - DON'T DO USELESS ACTS.

48:45 - AND IN THE MCARDLE OPINION THE

48:48 - SUPERIOR COURT SAID THAT WHILE

48:49 - WE CAN SEE THE

48:51 - POINTLESS THIS REVERSING THE

48:53 - TRIAL COURT REINSTATING CHARGES

48:55 - FOR WHICH THE DEFENDANT WILL

48:56 - MOST LIKELY NEVER STAND TRIAL

48:58 - WE'RE CONSTRAINED TO DO SO SAY

49:01 - HAYES ARE ABSENT ANY STATUTORY

49:04 - AUTHORITY FOR DISMISSAL.

49:07 - WELL WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS

49:08 - ABOUT ACCORD BEING CONSTRAINED

49:10 - TO WITH WITH IT IT. CONCEDES

49:13 - IS A THE POINT IS THAT.

49:17 - WELL NOW WE GO TO THEIR

49:18 - PREROGATIVE OF THE LEGISLATURE

49:20 - AND THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD

49:21 - PERHAPS COULD THIS STATUTE BE

49:25 - PUTS

49:26 - A STAY. BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO

49:28 - FILE CERTAIN MOTIONS WHERE YOUR

49:30 - CLIENT IS

49:31 - NOT REQUIRED.

49:32 - SECTION GROUP GIVES YOU THE

49:35 - RIGHT TO COUNSEL THROUGHOUT IT

49:39 - SAYS THAT YOU SHALL DO

49:40 - THOSE EVALUATIONS. THEN YOU

49:42 - HAVE SECTION D WAS CHART WHICH

49:45 - ADDRESSES.

49:47 - DISCHARGE FROM DETENTION SHOULD

49:49 - THERE BE A PROBLEM WITH NOT

49:52 - BEING ABLE TO

49:52 - BE RESTORED AND A COMPETENCY AN

49:55 - INTERESTING SORT OF LIMIT OF

49:56 - INTERESTINGLY INDY.

49:58 - YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT

50:00 - RESTORATION TO COMPETENCY.

50:02 - AND ONE WONDERS WHETHER THE

50:03 - GENERAL ASSEMBLY IF THEY REALLY

50:05 - WANTED TO GIVE THE TRIAL COURT

50:06 - AUTHORITY TO DISMISS WHEN

50:08 - THERE'S A LACK OF PROBABILITY

50:09 - OF RESTORATION TO COMPETENCY.

50:11 - THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE

50:12 - DISMISSAL LANGUAGE AND E

50:14 - IN ADDITION TO THE DISCHARGE

50:15 - LANGUAGE THAT THEY PUT IN INDY

50:17 - YESTERDAY HAVE THE ABILITY

50:19 - TO IT.

50:20 - SPECIFIC TO SPECIFY THAT YOU

50:22 - COULD DISMISS UNDER THOSE

50:23 - CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THEY DID

50:25 - NOT.

50:29 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU

50:30 - BAKING ONE AD. I THINK WE

50:32 - UNDERSTAND

50:32 - THE CASE.

50:33 - KNOW YOUR HONORS I WILL STAND

50:34 - ON MY BRIEF OR ANY OTHER

50:35 - REMAINING ISSUES.

50:37 - THANK YOU TO BOTH BOTH

50:38 - COUNCIL.

50:41 - THE SECOND CASE YOU'RE

50:42 - GOING TO HEAR IS CALLED

50:43 - COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA

50:45 - VERSUS MICHAEL JONES IT'S

50:46 - ANOTHER CRIMINAL CASE AND THIS

50:48 - APPEAL.

50:49 - IT INVOLVES THE DEFENDANT'S

50:51 - RIGHT. UNDER THE CONFRONTATION

50:53 - CLAUSE OF THE 6TH AMENDMENT OF

50:55 - THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

50:57 - TO CONFRONT WITNESSES AND

51:00 - EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM.

51:02 - THIS PROVISION OF THE

51:03 - CONSTITUTION WAS APPLIED IN A

51:05 - NOTABLE UNITED STATES SUPREME

51:07 - COURT CASE CALLED BRUTON ITS PR

51:10 - AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT

51:11 - THAT AND WHAT THE CONFRONTATION

51:14 - CLAUSE DOES IS ENSURE THAT A

51:16 - DEFENDANT CAN CHALLENGE

51:18 - EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES

51:19 - AGAINST HIM. THE RELEVANT FACTS

51:21 - ARE THAT ON A PARTICULAR DAY

51:23 - BACK IN 2016 AT 3.30 IN THE

51:25 - MORNING. THE DEFENDANT MISTER

51:27 - JONES AND HIS FRIEND

51:28 - MISTER WILSON SHOT A CAB DRIVER

51:31 - WHO SURVIVED. JONES AND WILSON

51:34 - WERE CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED

51:36 - MURDER AND

51:36 - OTHER CRIMES. AFTER THEIR

51:39 - ARREST WILSON GAVE

51:40 - A STATEMENT IN WHICH HE

51:42 - IMPLICATED BOTH JONES AND

51:44 - WILSON.

51:45 - THE CASE THEN MOVE

51:47 - FORWARD TO A TRIAL AT WHICH

51:49 - BOTH JONES AND WILSON WERE

51:51 - TRIED TOGETHER. THAT'S CALLED

51:52 - THE CONSOLIDATED TRIAL. WILSON

51:55 - DID

51:56 - NOT TESTIFY. BUT A DETECTIVE

51:58 - READ THE STATEMENT HE GAVE THAT

52:00 - ALLEGEDLY IN COAL IMPLICATED

52:02 - BOTH HIM MISTER JONES.

52:06 - BECAUSE WILSON DID

52:08 - NOT TESTIFY. JONES COULD NOT

52:11 - CONFRONT THIS STATEMENT TO THE

52:13 - EXTENT IT WAS OFFERED AGAINST

52:14 - JONES TO PROTECT JONES

52:17 - CONFRONTATION CLAUSE RIGHT,

52:19 - THE TRIAL COURT REPLACED JONES

52:21 - NAME IN THIS STATEMENT WITH

52:23 - QUOTE MY FRIEND. SO THE

52:24 - STATEMENT WHEN IT REFERRED TO

52:26 - JONES WAS READ TO JUST REFER TO

52:28 - MY FRIEND.

52:30 - THE COURT ALSO INSTRUCTED THE

52:31 - JURY THAT THE STATEMENT COULD

52:33 - BE USED TO DETERMINE ONLY

52:34 - WILSON'S GUILT AND NOT JONES

52:36 - KILLED. JONES WAS CONVICTED AND

52:39 - HE

52:39 - APPEALED ARGUING THAT THE

52:41 - ADMISSION OF SOME STATEMENT

52:44 - VIOLATED THE CONFRONTATION

52:45 - CLAUSE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH JONES

52:48 - NAME WAS REPLACED WITH

52:49 - MY FRIEND. OTHER EVIDENCE IN

52:51 - THE CASE A STAB LISH THAT JONES

52:54 - AND WILSON WERE FRIENDS WHO

52:55 - WORK TOGETHER. THE SUPERIOR

52:57 - COURT AFFIRMED JONES

52:59 - CONVICTION.

53:01 - AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOW

53:04 - ALLOWED AN APPEAL TO DETERMINE

53:05 - WHETHER THE INTRODUCTION OF

53:07 - JOAN

53:08 - STATEMENT VIOLATED.

53:10 - INSTRUCTIONAL WILSON STATEMENT

53:11 - VIOLATED JONES CONFRONTATION

53:13 - CLAUSE RIGHT UNUSUALLY IN THIS

53:16 - CASE, THE COMMONWEALTH, THE

53:17 - PROSECUTOR AGREES THAT THE

53:19 - ADMISSION OF THE STATEMENT

53:21 - VIOLATED JONES. A CONFRONTATION

53:24 - CLAUSE RIGHT

53:25 - BUT THE COMMONWEALTH ARGUES

53:26 - THAT A NEW TRIAL IS NOT

53:28 - REQUIRED BECAUSE AMPLE OTHER

53:30 - EVIDENCE IDENTIFIED JONES AS

53:32 - ONE OF

53:33 - THE SHOOTERS THE DEFENDER

53:35 - ASSOCIATION OF PHILADELPHIA

53:36 - WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE PUBLIC

53:38 - DEFENDER IN

53:38 - PHILADELPHIA COUNTY HAS FALLEN

53:41 - AND A KISS BRIEF

53:42 - FOR JONES ARGUING THAT THE

53:44 - REPLACEMENT OF HIS NAME WITH MY

53:46 - FRIEND WAS INSUFFICIENT TO

53:48 - PROTECT HIS CONFRONTATION

53:50 - CLAUSE RIGHT.

53:51 - THE PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT

53:53 - ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. HAS

53:55 - FILED AN AMICUS

53:56 - CURIAE BRIEF AND BY THE WAY

53:58 - AMICUS CURIAE BRIEFS ARE JUST

54:00 - FRIEND OF THE

54:00 - COURT BRIEFS. THEY'RE FILED BY

54:03 - ENTITIES THAT HAVE AN INTEREST

54:04 - IN THE CASE BUT ARE NOT

54:05 - PARTIES. SO THE COURT ALLOW

54:07 - SUCH ENTITIES TO FILE BRIEFS

54:09 - JUST EXPLAINING THEIR POSITION

54:11 - EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT

54:12 - DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE CASE.

54:14 - SO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS

54:15 - ASSOCIATION HAS FILED AN AMICUS

54:17 - CURIAE BRIEF ARGUING

54:19 - THAT THE MISSION OF WILSON

54:20 - STATEMENT WAS PROPER

54:22 - AND THAT IT WAS HARMLESS ERROR

54:24 - EVEN

54:24 - IF AIR BECAUSE AMPLE OTHER

54:26 - EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT JONES WAS

54:29 - GUILTY. NOW LET'S GO TO THE

54:30 - COURTROOM TO HEAR THE ARGUMENT.

54:33 - GOOD MORNING. WE GRANT THAT

54:34 - ALLOWED TO THE APPEAL IN THIS

54:35 - MATTER.

54:36 - TO EXAMINE THE

54:38 - MANNER IN WHICH THE SUPERIOR

54:39 - COURT APPLIED THE U.S. SUPREME

54:41 - COURT'S CASE OF BREWTON VERSUS

54:43 - UNITED STATES

54:44 - WHICH HELD THAT THE ADMISSION

54:46 - OF NON TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANTS

54:48 - CONFESSION THAT IMPLICATED.

54:50 - WHAT THE DEFENDANT AT A JOINT

54:52 - TRIAL VIOLATED THAT DEFENDANT'S

54:54 - CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO

54:55 - CONFRONT WITNESSES, EVEN THOUGH

54:57 - THE TRIAL COURT DID ISSUE A

54:59 - CAUTIONARY INSTRUCTION THAT THE

55:01 - STATEMENT SHOULD ONLY BE YEARS

55:02 - AGAINST THE CO DEFENDANT.

55:06 - BECAUSE THE PHILADELPHIA

55:08 - DISTRICT

55:09 - ATTORNEYS OFFICE AGREED THAT

55:12 - THERE WAS A BRUTAL VIOLATION

55:13 - PRECLUDING US FOR ADVOCACY ON

55:16 - BOTH SIDES OF THE GROUP

55:17 - IN QUESTION. WE TOOK THE VERY

55:19 - UNUSUAL STEP OF AMICUS

55:22 - TO ARGUE. ON BEHALF OF THE

55:24 - COMMONWEALTH AND THEN WE

55:25 - ALLOWED OF MIKA'S

55:27 - FOR THE DEFENDANT SOLELY AS AN

55:29 - EXERCISE OF PARITY SO WE WERE

55:31 - IN FAVOR ONE OVER THE OTHER.

55:32 - I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO

55:34 - CAUTION ALL OF YOU

55:38 - I'M GOING

55:38 - TO BE POLITELY INSISTENT THAT

55:41 - YOU DON'T GANG UP THE DON'T

55:43 - REPEAT ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE

55:45 - ALREADY BEEN MADE AND THE ONLY

55:47 - ADD SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT

55:49 - BEEN MADE BECAUSE WE WANT WE

55:50 - DON'T WANT TO END OUR CAREERS

55:52 - ON THIS CASE.

55:54 - WITH THAT MISTER CHISHOLM.

55:56 - MAY PLEASE THE COURT MORNING

55:58 - ARRIVES.

56:00 - I'LL BE ARGUING WHEN BEHALF

56:02 - OF THE BASICALLY WHAT YOU JUST

56:04 - STATED YOUR HONOR THAT THE

56:05 - TRIAL COURT AND THE SUPERIOR

56:08 - COURT IN ALLOWING A NON

56:10 - TESTIFYING CO DEFENDANTS

56:11 - CONFESSION TO BE INTRODUCED BY

56:14 - THE PROSECUTOR WHERE THE

56:15 - CONFESSION EXPLICITLY AND

56:17 - UNAMBIGUOUSLY IMPLICATED THE

56:19 - APPELLANT AS A PARTICIPANT IN

56:21 - THE ROBBERY AND

56:21 - A SHOOTING. AND LATELY LINK

56:24 - PALIN AS A PARTICIPANT IN

56:26 - THE SHOOTING ALL IN VIOLATION

56:29 - PELLETS 6TH AMENDMENT RIGHT.

56:31 - THE CONFRONTATION PURSUANT TO

56:33 - PROVE THE UNITED STATES.

56:35 - AND PENNSYLVANIA ARTICLE ONE

56:37 - SECTION 9 CONSTITUTION RIGHT

56:39 - TO CONFRONTATION. THE AMICUS

56:43 - DEFENDER ASSOCIATION WE'LL BE

56:45 - PRESENTING AN ARGUMENT THAT

56:47 - THE REDACTION OVEN ON

56:48 - TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANT

56:50 - STATEMENT WITH A NEUTRAL

56:52 - PRONOUN IS NOT ALWAYS

56:54 - SUFFICIENT UNDER THE 6TH

56:55 - AMENDMENT AND COURTS MUST APPLY

56:58 - THE BROADER APPROACH AS

57:00 - REQUIRED BY THE UNITED STATES

57:02 - SUPREME COURT WITH I THINK

57:06 - THAT.

57:08 - THERE IS A CONCESSION WITHIN

57:10 - THE COMMONWEALTH'S BRIEF THAT

57:11 - THERE WAS A PROVEN ISSUE ABREU

57:13 - VIOLATION AND IN THIS CASE.

57:16 - WITH WHAT WE HAD WAS

57:19 - FACIAL INCRIMINATION FACIAL

57:21 - IMPLICATION. AND LATE LINKAGE.

57:26 - BASICALLY GOES TO THE SEQUENCE

57:28 - OF EVENTS IN THIS CASE. YOU HAD

57:30 - A. WITNESS

57:33 - MICHAEL HOUSTON WHO WAS THE

57:35 - OWNER OF JACK'S FIREHOUSE WHO

57:38 - EMPLOYED BOTH MICHAEL JONES

57:40 - THE TALENT AND CONFESSOR SAYING

57:44 - WILSON.

57:46 - MR. HOUSTON TESTIFIED THAT HE

57:49 - KNEW BOTH GENTLEMEN AS.

57:51 - FRIENDS AND CO EMPLOYEES AND

57:55 - THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT

57:57 - THERE WAS A PURPOSEFUL

57:58 - PLACEMENT BY THE DA'S OFFICE TO

58:01 - HAVE A DETECTIVE THE SIGN

58:03 - DETECTIVE IN THIS CASE, TESTIFY

58:06 - THAT THE CONFESS ERS

58:08 - A STATEMENT BASICALLY FACIALLY.

58:13 - IMPLICATED.

58:15 - WERE BLATANTLY LINKED. MICHAEL

58:17 - JONES TO THE.

58:19 - CONFESSION BY HAVING DETECTIVE

58:21 - READ IN THE CONFESSION

58:23 - THAT.

58:25 - MICHAEL JONES. MY FRIEND AT

58:28 - JACK'S FIREHOUSE WAS THE

58:30 - SHOOTER. SO WITH THAT. WE THINK

58:32 - THAT WE'VE FOUND A

58:34 - BRUTAL VIOLATION WITH ALL 3 OF

58:36 - THE FEDERAL LAW PRECEDENCE IN

58:38 - THIS CASE AND YOUR YOUR

58:40 - ARGUMENT IS IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A

58:42 - PROVEN VIOLATION BECAUSE.

58:44 - THERE WAS

58:45 - NO OTHER PERSON IN THIS TRIAL

58:48 - WHO COULD HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED

58:49 - AS MY FRIEND

58:51 - AND PARTICULARLY NO ONE WHO

58:52 - COULD HAVE BEEN

58:53 - IDENTIFIED AS MY FRIEND FROM

58:55 - THE FIREHOUSE BECAUSE THIS WAS

58:57 - HIS FRIEND WHO WORKED WITH HIM

58:59 - AT THE FIREHOUSE YES, YOUR

59:01 - HONOR.

59:03 - AGAIN WE HAD

59:05 - THE COMMONWEALTH'S

59:06 - A BRIEF FROM THE DISTRICT

59:09 - ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS CONCEDING.

59:11 - THE PROVEN ISSUE.

59:13 - THE AMICUS IT'S BASICALLY

59:16 - RELYING ON TRAVER YS.

59:23 - BASICALLY SAYS THAT.

59:27 - CRAVER'S

59:27 - HE CRIES A CONTEXTUAL

59:30 - IMPLICATION AND LINKAGE

59:32 - HOWEVER, THIS CLEAR LANGUAGE IN

59:34 - IN TRADERS

59:38 - IF THERE IS A BLATANT.

59:41 - INCRIMINATION BUT THAT IS IF

59:44 - OUT REIVERS SO THIS CASE EVEN.

59:49 - IT'S IT PRESENTS THE THE

59:51 - BLATANT LINKAGE THE FACIAL

59:53 - INCRIMINATION THE IMPLICATION

59:55 - THAT EVEN TO CRY BY TRADERS SO.

59:59 - 110 YOU KNOW.

01:00 - 04.079 ALL THE CASE SEEMS TO A FALL

01:00 - 06.569 INCOMPLETE LINE THAT THERE WAS

01:00 - 08.820 A BRUTE IN VIOLATION. NOW.

01:00 - 10.890 BOTH.

01:00 - 13.440 THE PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT

01:00 - 15.739 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND THE

01:00 - 18.939 AMICUS. OTHER SIDE OF

01:00 - 20.509 THE AMICUS WE'RE ARGUING

01:00 - 23.940 HARMLESS ERROR. AND.

01:00 - 25.410 WITH

01:00 - 27.499 HARMLESS ERROR THAT'S A BIRD AT

01:00 - 28.970 THE COMMONWEALTH HAS TO CARRY.

01:00 - 30.530 BEYOND A

01:00 - 33.580 REASONABLE DOUBT THAT IN FROM.

01:00 - 37.670 OBJECTIONABLE. EVIDENCE.

01:00 - 40.000 WE DIDN'T.

01:00 - 43.140 CAUSE THE.

01:00 - 46.239 THE ERROR THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY

01:00 - 49.719 FOR ALL RIGHT. IN THIS CASE IF

01:00 - 50.720 YOU.

01:00 - 55.540 IF YOU SUBTRACT THE CONFESSION.

01:00 - 57.070 ALL YOU

01:00 - 00.309 HAVE IS THE COMPLAINT MISTER

01:01 - 03.509 DE STUNS. TESTIMONY IS

01:01 - 05.099 TO STATEMENT. HIS EVIDENCE

01:01 - 05.930 REGARDING WHAT HAPPENED

01:01 - 07.949 THAT NIGHT AND OUT EXCEPT I'D

01:01 - 09.539 ASK YOU TO ACCEPT THAT WAS TO

01:01 - 11.029 CHOOSE AND THAT'S NOT SO YOU

01:01 - 13.009 HAD. MR. HOUSTON WHO OWNED

01:01 - 15.510 JACK'S RESTAURANT, WE LIKE THE

01:01 - 16.710 YOUR CLIENT

01:01 - 20.029 AS THE A PERSON IN THE SEPT THE

01:01 - 22.709 PICTURE. THE COMMITTEE ACT YOU

01:01 - 24.869 HAVE THE VICTIM WHO IDENTIFIED

01:01 - 27.089 HIM AND YOU HAVE HIS DNA IN

01:01 - 29.279 THE CAB WHERE THE WHERE THE

01:01 - 31.229 CRIME OCCURRED RESPECTFULLY

01:01 - 33.339 THAT IS CORRECT. BUT THE DNA

01:01 - 35.469 ONLY PUTS HIM IN DEKALB THE DNA

01:01 - 36.589 DOESN'T TELL US WHAT HAPPENED

01:01 - 39.129 INSIDE OF THE CAT AND SO SO YOU

01:01 - 41.919 WOULD SAY. I'M SORRY I

01:01 - 43.050 INTERRUPTED YOU, BUT

01:01 - 45.269 YES HE WAS IN THAT CAB, HE WAS

01:01 - 46.669 WITH THE OTHER CO-DEFENDANT,

01:01 - 48.159 THERE WAS A CRIME BUT WE DON'T

01:01 - 49.160 KNOW IF YOU COMMITTED IT

01:01 - 51.329 AND WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN WE

01:01 - 53.279 LOOK AT THE ABSENCE OF ANY

01:01 - 55.499 COOPERATING EVIDENCE AS TO WHAT

01:01 - 57.879 THE CAB DRIVER SAID THEN YOU

01:01 - 59.319 KNOW WE HAVE THE CAB DRIVER

01:01 - 00.599 SAYING HE WAS SHOT AT CLOSE

01:02 - 03.210 RANGE. HE WAS ALSO IMPEACHED.

01:02 - 05.140 EFFECTIVELY IMPEACH TO TRIAL

01:02 - 06.749 WHEN HE TESTIFIED THAT HE

01:02 - 09.069 HADN'T TAKEN ANY DRUGS HAD NO

01:02 - 10.949 OPIATES IN HIS SYSTEM, HOWEVER

01:02 - 12.259 HIS MEDICAL RECORDS COME BACK

01:02 - 14.509 AND SAY THAT HE HAD TESTED

01:02 - 16.499 POSITIVE FOR OPIATES SO NOW WE

01:02 - 17.010 HAVE A

01:02 - 19.229 CREDIBILITY ISSUE AND WE ALSO

01:02 - 20.819 HAVE A PERCEPTION ISSUE FOR

01:02 - 21.530 PERSONS HIGH

01:02 - 23.659 ON OPIATES THEIR PERCEPTION AS

01:02 - 24.630 REGARD TO THE EVENTS THAT

01:02 - 26.399 OCCURRED INSIDE OF THAT CAB ARE

01:02 - 27.909 IMPACTED AND MEMORY

01:02 - 29.549 IS IMPACTED. THERE'S NO

01:02 - 31.239 EVIDENCE THAT THE VICTIM SHOT

01:02 - 32.639 HIMSELF, SO WE KNOW ONE OF

01:02 - 34.319 THESE 2 CO-DEFENDANTS WERE BOTH

01:02 - 36.350 SHOT. IT WAS A SHOT IN THE

01:02 - 38.409 RIGHT UPPER EXTREMITY FROM THE

01:02 - 39.949 BACK OF THE VEHICLE WHICH IS

01:02 - 42.799 MISTER WILSON. THE 2 WOUNDS ON

01:02 - 45.720 THE COMPLAINANTS HEAD. WE ARE.

01:02 - 48.550 LACERATIONS

01:02 - 50.119 THERE'S NO MEDICAL EVIDENCE

01:02 - 51.379 THAT THERE ARE ANY THAT THERE'S

01:02 - 53.349 ANY SORT ANY STRIPLING WHICH

01:02 - 54.330 WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH A

01:02 - 56.369 CLOSE-RANGE SHOOTING INSIDE OF

01:02 - 58.349 A CAB IN THAT FRONT PASSENGER

01:02 - 00.690 COMPARTMENT. THERE'S NO GSR

01:03 - 02.569 OBTAINED WITH IN GUNSHOT

01:03 - 04.359 RESIDUE IN THE FRONT PASSENGER

01:03 - 05.839 COMPARTMENT, THE CAR ANYWHERE

01:03 - 06.640 NOT JUST ONE

01:03 - 08.949 MISTER DESTIN. BUT GUNSHOT

01:03 - 11.230 RESIDUE THERE'S A A TRACE

01:03 - 13.479 EVIDENCE THEY CAN BE

01:03 - 15.739 COLLECTED FROM A DASHBOARD

01:03 - 17.410 STEERING WHEEL. SO

01:03 - 19.839 THOSE INJURIES. WHEN

01:03 - 21.619 MISTER DESTIN. WE COULD BE

01:03 - 22.620 CONSISTENT

01:03 - 26.309 A BLUNT IN IMPACT INJURY AIRBAG

01:03 - 27.489 DEPLOYING AHEAD HITTING A

01:03 - 29.579 STEERING WHEEL. AND ESPECIALLY

01:03 - 30.400 WHEN YOU CONSIDER HIS

01:03 - 32.309 CREDIBILITY ISSUES THAT HE SAID

01:03 - 34.159 HE WASN'T HIGH ON OPIATES YET

01:03 - 35.549 HE TEST POSITIVE AT THE

01:03 - 37.329 HOSPITAL THAT GOES TO

01:03 - 38.839 CREDIBILITY AND ALSO GOES TO

01:03 - 42.380 MEMORY AND PERCEPTION. SO THAT

01:03 - 44.409 I DIDN'T DID THE SUPERIOR COURT

01:03 - 45.300 GET TO THE HARMLESS ERROR

01:03 - 47.069 QUESTION. I'M SORRY SIR TO THE

01:03 - 49.079 SUPERIOR COURT GET TO THE

01:03 - 50.279 HARMLESS ERROR EVEN STAYED IN

01:03 - 53.299 TOUCH THAT. THE HARMLESS ISSUE

01:03 - 54.990 WASN'T PRESENTED IN TILL.

01:03 - 58.150 MY BEST RECOLLECTION WAS THE

01:03 - 00.880 APPELLATE AND MAKE US BRIEFED

01:04 - 01.310 THAT'S

01:04 - 03.569 BEFORE YOU. TODAY I DON'T I

01:04 - 05.479 DON'T RECALLS A ADDRESSING ANY

01:04 - 07.219 HARMLESS IS SO SHOULD WE LET'S

01:04 - 08.969 ASSUME, LET'S ASSUME WE FIND A

01:04 - 10.500 VIOLATION HERE.

01:04 - 13.449 SHOULD WE GET THE HARMLESS

01:04 - 14.689 ERROR SHOULD BE REMANDED FOR

01:04 - 16.359 HARMLESS OR ANALYSIS. I DON'T

01:04 - 17.819 THINK YOU GET A HARMLESS ERROR

01:04 - 18.590 YOU KNOW I

01:04 - 20.579 WELL WE FIND A BRUTAL VIOLATION

01:04 - 21.979 WEEKEND THAT DOESN'T THE

01:04 - 22.700 COMMONWEALTH HAVE AN

01:04 - 24.119 OPPORTUNITY TO OCEAN THEY HAVE

01:04 - 25.459 YET HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

01:04 - 27.210 ARGUE AND AS YOU SAY PRESENT.

01:04 - 29.419 HARMLESS ERROR ARGUMENT YEAH,

01:04 - 30.589 I MEAN THEY CAN THEY CAN

01:04 - 31.849 PRESENT IT, BUT I DON'T I

01:04 - 32.850 WOULD.

01:04 - 34.669 ASK YOU TO NOT

01:04 - 36.449 ENTERTAIN IT AND I'D ASK YOU

01:04 - 39.029 THAT REMANDED IT BACK MIGHT BE

01:04 - 40.150 A AN OPTION.

01:04 - 42.679 SO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MY

01:04 - 43.680 RESPONSE TO

01:04 - 45.869 WE'D LIKE TO SUPERIOR COURT

01:04 - 47.529 DIDN'T ADDRESS IT AT ALL WASN'T

01:04 - 48.839 PRESENTED IN ANY BRIEFS

01:04 - 50.479 HOPEFULLY I ADDRESS THAT

01:04 - 52.869 THAT ISSUE. I JUST YOU THAT I

01:04 - 54.339 THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE

01:04 - 55.789 FIND A BRITON VIOLATION YOU

01:04 - 57.629 BELIEVE. IT

01:04 - 59.679 SHOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY

01:04 - 00.330 THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE AN

01:05 - 02.239 OPPORTUNITY TO ARGUE HARMLESS

01:05 - 03.379 ERROR WE SHOULD REMANDED TO THE

01:05 - 04.609 SUPERIOR COURT WE SHOULD NOT

01:05 - 06.359 ADDRESS THE NATION THAT THAT'S

01:05 - 07.430 THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.

01:05 - 08.969 WHAT'S THE BENEFIT IN THAT

01:05 - 10.269 CIRCUMSTANCE OF HAVING THE

01:05 - 11.919 SUPERIOR COURT IN IN SUCH A

01:05 - 13.529 SCENARIO LOOK AT THAT RATHER

01:05 - 14.530 THAN US.

01:05 - 18.450 THAT WE HAVE BRIEFING.

01:05 - 22.869 IT WOULD CERTAINLY ALLOW ME

01:05 - 25.339 THE OPPORTUNITY I GUESS BOTH

01:05 - 27.389 PARTIES OPPORTUNITY TO TO FULLY

01:05 - 29.679 DELVE INTO THAT ISSUE MORE SO

01:05 - 30.070 AS AS

01:05 - 33.129 A CENTRAL PART OF THE CASE AS

01:05 - 34.739 OPPOSED TO MORE OF A OF UPPER

01:05 - 35.740 IF REAL.

01:05 - 40.479 ADDRESSING OF I YEAH I THINK

01:05 - 42.159 THIS CASE AND AT THIS PERIOD

01:05 - 42.660 COURT WAS

01:05 - 45.949 STRICTLY BRUTON. AND IN AND

01:05 - 47.919 WHEN YOU GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED MY

01:05 - 50.329 PEEL IT WAS IT WAS STRICTLY

01:05 - 53.019 BRUTON SO I THINK IF YOU WERE

01:05 - 54.439 TO REMANDED TO THE

01:05 - 56.839 SUPERIOR COURT. IT WOULD ALLOW

01:05 - 58.899 EVERYBODY INVOLVED TO NOW FOCUS

01:05 - 00.010 ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS.

01:06 - 04.769 ALL RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE WE

01:06 - 05.770 GET IT RIGHT

01:06 - 08.230 YOU KNOW ON THE ISSUE

01:06 - 09.899 OF HARMLESS BECAUSE WE GOT TO

01:06 - 11.179 WHERE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH

01:06 - 12.939 STOPPED ALLOWING FURTHER

01:06 - 14.459 BRIEFING IN THIS CASE AS WELL

01:06 - 16.049 BEFORE THIS COURT. YES, YES,

01:06 - 17.540 YOUR HONOR COUNCIL. YES, SIR,

01:06 - 19.330 WHAT THE REMEDY YOU SEEK.

01:06 - 22.330 THAT IN ANY ROUTINES.

01:06 - 24.760 STATEMENT IS TO BE INTRODUCED

01:06 - 26.030 THAT THERE SHOULD BE A

01:06 - 28.030 SEVERANCE OF A JOINT TRIAL.

01:06 - 29.889 WHAT IS THAT WHAT IS IT THAT

01:06 - 30.400 YOU'RE SEEKING.

01:06 - 32.170 NO I'M NOT GOING TO.

01:06 - 34.469 PRESENT THAT I THINK BRUTON

01:06 - 34.730 MADE

01:06 - 38.029 THAT CLEAR. CERTAINLY IN LINE

01:06 - 40.429 WITH ALL OF THE FEDERAL THE

01:06 - 41.720 TRILOGY OF CASES.

01:06 - 44.979 I THINK SEVERANCE IN ALL CASES

01:06 - 46.079 WHERE THERE'S A CONFESSION

01:06 - 47.449 WOULD BE AN EXTREME REMEDY.

01:06 - 49.959 IT CERTAINLY WITH TAXI FROM A

01:06 - 52.059 POLICY STANDPOINT, IT WOULD TAX

01:06 - 54.169 THE JUSTICE SYSTEM EXTREMELY

01:06 - 55.800 HAVING TO BE MULTIPLE TRIALS.

01:06 - 58.419 I THINK WHAT THIS COURT SHOULD

01:06 - 01.189 DO IS GIVE

01:07 - 05.280 US A A STANDARD. THAT IS

01:07 - 06.420 WITHIN

01:07 - 08.769 THE TRILOGY OF CASES THAT

01:07 - 10.429 SUBMITTED BY THE SUPREME COURT

01:07 - 11.740 THE BRIGHT LINE.

01:07 - 15.059 A TEST THAT NOT SEE ATED IN

01:07 - 16.789 TRAVERS SEEMS TO BE

01:07 - 18.949 SOMEWHAT UNWORKABLE AND AND ON

01:07 - 20.599 THE OTHER SO THE THE OTHER SIDE

01:07 - 21.939 OF THE ANALYSIS WOULD BE YOU

01:07 - 23.270 HAVE AN UNWORKABLE

01:07 - 25.419 A STANDARD. IT'S JUST AS

01:07 - 28.680 INEFFICIENT AS AS

01:07 - 30.729 A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO

01:07 - 32.719 SEVER ALL OF THE CASES 2, 3,

01:07 - 34.589 TRIALS AND THAT SORT OF THING

01:07 - 37.529 SO. SINCE TREY VERGES IS

01:07 - 40.709 CREATING SO MUCH. JUDICIAL

01:07 - 42.579 AND EFFICIENCY. I THINK THAT

01:07 - 44.750 THAT THE CORRECT WAY TOO

01:07 - 48.640 POLICY ISSUE AS FOR THIS COURT

01:07 - 51.589 TO TO COME UP WITH THE

01:07 - 53.579 CORRECT SOLUTION. ONE HOW THESE

01:07 - 55.319 TYPE OF CASES SHOULD

01:07 - 56.889 BE HANDLED. WELL THAT COUNCIL

01:07 - 58.059 WHAT WHAT IS THAT CORRECT

01:07 - 59.460 SOLUTION I MEAN IN THIS

01:08 - 02.919 I'M WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY

01:08 - 04.930 POSSIBLE. 2

01:08 - 07.959 REDACT THIS CAN BE CONFESSION

01:08 - 09.729 IN A WAY THAT WOULD

01:08 - 11.079 NOT HAVE IMPLICATED YOUR

01:08 - 12.080 CLIENT.

01:08 - 14.249 I MEAN IT IT MAY BE THERE ARE

01:08 - 15.619 CERTAIN CASES WHERE YOU NEED

01:08 - 17.299 TEMPER TRIALS, I'M ASKING YOU

01:08 - 18.949 THOUGH IN THIS CASE WAS THEIR

01:08 - 20.729 WAY FOR THIS COMPASSION TO BE

01:08 - 22.409 REDACTED IN THE WAY THAT WOULD

01:08 - 23.410 HAVE.

01:08 - 25.010 NEUTRALIZE IT.

01:08 - 27.499 I DON'T I WOULD NOT THINK SO

01:08 - 30.849 YOUR HONOR. I'M IN LOVE WITH

01:08 - 32.699 RICHARDSON. I'M IN LOVE WITH

01:08 - 34.610 THE WAY RICHARDSON TOOK

01:08 - 37.859 THE DEFENDANT OUT OF THE

01:08 - 38.390 STATEMENT

01:08 - 38.900 AT ALL.

01:08 - 41.489 SHORT OF THAT THE OTHER GUY

01:08 - 43.339 IS MORE NEUTRAL, THEN MY FRIEND

01:08 - 44.779 IN THIS CASE WHERE MY FRIEND

01:08 - 47.029 HAS ALREADY BEEN CHARACTERIZED

01:08 - 48.489 AS THE FRIEND FROM THE

01:08 - 51.340 FIREHOUSE WHEN THE OTHER GUY

01:08 - 52.800 THE MORE NEUTRAL.

01:08 - 57.379 THE OTHER GUY MIGHT BE BUT IN

01:08 - 59.359 THE CONTEXT OF THIS CASE WHERE

01:08 - 00.779 THEY WITH THE DA'S OFFICE

01:09 - 01.780 PURPOSELY.

01:09 - 03.879 POLICED. MISSED MISTER

01:09 - 06.209 HOUSTON'S TESTIMONY. THE

01:09 - 08.319 OTHER GUY AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE I

01:09 - 09.599 THINK WOULD WOULD STILL WANT TO

01:09 - 11.759 FOUL OF BREWTON FOR ONE SAY THE

01:09 - 13.499 OTHER GUY JACK'S FIREHOUSE

01:09 - 14.909 RIGHT WE JUST I MEAN MANY WE

01:09 - 16.539 HAVE MANY CASES WHERE THEY USE

01:09 - 17.920 THAT TERM THE OTHER GUY.

01:09 - 20.299 THAT SEEMS PRETTY HARMLESS

01:09 - 23.329 PRETTY NEUTRAL. APROPOS JUSTICE

01:09 - 25.649 CAUGHT. AND IT SEEMED

01:09 - 27.550 TO ME THAT.

01:09 - 29.850 THE CASE LAW

01:09 - 32.290 HERE ROOM RICHARD SAID I

01:09 - 33.820 TRAVERS

01:09 - 36.409 OUR CASE IS IS PLENTY CLEAR IN

01:09 - 37.449 YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT WAS

01:09 - 40.069 A MISAPPLICATION BECAUSE

01:09 - 41.219 ANYBODY LISTENING TO THIS

01:09 - 43.049 STATEMENT WOULD KNOW THAT YOUR

01:09 - 44.989 CLIENT WAS THE CO-DEFENDANT

01:09 - 45.990 HERE.

01:09 - 48.019 AND SO IT DIDN'T SEEM TO ME

01:09 - 49.380 THAT WE NEEDED TO.

01:09 - 52.540 AND NONE CA TO DO STANDARD.

01:09 - 55.029 CLARIFY BRUTON FOR THE U.S.

01:09 - 56.959 SUPREME COURT WE JUST NEEDED TO

01:09 - 57.960 APPLY IT,

01:09 - 00.289 THAT'S THE TRUE VIEW EVEN EVEN

01:10 - 01.740 UNDER THE STANDARD OF TRAITORS

01:10 - 04.130 THIS IS A PROVEN VIOLATION.

01:10 - 07.309 SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR

01:10 - 09.109 NEW LAW OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR

01:10 - 11.109 WHAT YOU SEE AS THE

01:10 - 14.039 APPLICATION OF A CLEAR LAW TO

01:10 - 15.140 THE FACTS OF YOUR CASE.

01:10 - 17.749 I'M LOOKING TO HAVE

01:10 - 20.359 MY CLIENT. BACK IN THE COURT OF

01:10 - 22.699 COMMON PLEAS. I THINK THAT THE

01:10 - 24.180 DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION.

01:10 - 26.820 CERTAINLY HAS A MORE BROADER.

01:10 - 28.230 GOAL.

01:10 - 31.939 AND I MY MY NARROW PURPOSE HERE

01:10 - 33.209 IS TO CONVINCE

01:10 - 35.099 THIS COURT THAT THOUGH WE'RE

01:10 - 36.349 GOING YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT

01:10 - 37.620 THE ROAD TO GET YEAH.

01:10 - 40.539 I HAVE SAID IT BETTER HAVE ONE

01:10 - 41.540 QUICK QUESTION

01:10 - 43.809 YOUR ANSWER TO JUSTICE TODD'S

01:10 - 45.639 QUESTION WERE SHE WAS TALKING

01:10 - 46.829 ABOUT THE STANDARD USE AND

01:10 - 48.589 TRAVER IS WHERE THE WORD

01:10 - 49.600 SUBSTITUTE IT

01:10 - 52.880 THE OTHER GUY IN THIS CASE.

01:10 - 56.120 THE WORD SUBSTITUTED WAS

01:10 - 58.359 MY FRIEND AND IT SEEMS TO ME

01:10 - 59.729 THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR

01:10 - 02.089 CIRCUMSTANCE. GIVEN THE FACT

01:11 - 04.679 THAT WE'RE THE STATEMENT ITSELF

01:11 - 06.500 TALKED ABOUT 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE

01:11 - 08.909 BEING MY FRIEND DOESN'T THAT

01:11 - 11.049 WEAKEN YOUR ARGUMENT IN THIS

01:11 - 13.550 CASE. WELL I YOU KNOW I

01:11 - 16.239 IT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE

01:11 - 18.440 PURPOSE FOR PLACEMENT OF.

01:11 - 21.630 MISTER

01:11 - 23.619 HOUSTON'S TESTIMONY. I THINK I

01:11 - 25.409 WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE

01:11 - 27.669 IT WITHIN A STATEMENT. IT THERE

01:11 - 28.670 IS A SENTENCE.

01:11 - 31.489 MY RECOLLECTION I

01:11 - 32.589 WILL HAVE THOSE NOTES IN FRONT

01:11 - 34.229 OF ME WHERE THERE'S A SPECIFIC

01:11 - 35.399 REFERENCE TO MY FRIEND AT

01:11 - 36.400 JACK'S FIREHOUSE.

01:11 - 39.749 SO WITHOUT WITHOUT WITH THAT

01:11 - 41.489 THE JACKS FIREHOUSE I

01:11 - 43.489 THINK THAT. WHAT YOU JUST

01:11 - 45.249 ARTICULATED ENUNCIATED WOULD BE

01:11 - 47.369 CORRECT AND COUNCIL AS I RECALL

01:11 - 49.269 THE RECORD THAT WAS ALSO

01:11 - 51.000 COUPLED WITH THE BOSS SAID.

01:11 - 53.760 MIKE'S FIREHOUSE SAYING

01:11 - 55.799 THESE 2 GUYS WERE FRIENDS

01:11 - 57.279 OF MIKE'S FIREHOUSE THAT'S

01:11 - 59.679 GREAT BE JAX FIRE HAD ASKED FOR

01:11 - 03.369 ONLY ONE HAHA YOU CONFUSE ME

01:12 - 03.910 A BIT.

01:12 - 05.579 YOU INDICATED THAT YOU

01:12 - 07.969 BELIEVE THAT CASE WILL SHARES

01:12 - 09.709 WITH US. THE WAY WE SHOULD

01:12 - 11.639 INTERPRET PRUDENT. RICHARDSON

01:12 - 13.189 VERSUS MARCH UNITED STATES

01:12 - 14.779 SUPREME COURT INDICATED THAT

01:12 - 15.780 YOU CAN.

01:12 - 18.890 INTRODUCED A STATEMENT

01:12 - 20.750 WITH THE HOPE THAT THE

01:12 - 22.079 CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT WOULD

01:12 - 23.739 IMPLICATE THE DEFENDANT THROUGH

01:12 - 25.480 OTHER EVIDENCE AT TRIAL.

01:12 - 27.540 THAT'S WHAT RICHARDS IN THE

01:12 - 29.499 STANDS RIGHT. YET YOU ARE

01:12 - 31.009 CHALLENGING THE COMMONWEALTH

01:12 - 34.039 STRATEGIC DECISION TO INTRODUCE

01:12 - 35.969 THAT OTHER EVIDENCE WHICH WILL

01:12 - 39.069 IMPLICATE YOUR CLIENT. HOW

01:12 - 40.130 IS THAT

01:12 - 43.089 INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT BRUTON

01:12 - 44.929 AND RICHARDSON ARE STANDING

01:12 - 45.220 FOR.

01:12 - 47.289 WELL, I THINK 1 ONE

01:12 - 50.050 SIGNIFICANT DISTINCTION IS THAT

01:12 - 52.389 IN RICHARD SEN. YOU CAN TEXT

01:12 - 52.810 WILL LINK

01:12 - 55.229 WITH LINKAGE CAME AFTER THE

01:12 - 56.849 CONFESSION WAS INTRODUCED

01:12 - 59.319 INTO EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE THE

01:12 - 00.630 CONTEXTUAL LINKAGE

01:13 - 03.069 WAS BEFORE THE STATEMENT WAS

01:13 - 04.480 INTRODUCED INTO EVIDENCE

01:13 - 06.459 THEY'RE SO WHEN THE JURY HEARD

01:13 - 07.719 THE STATEMENT THERE WAS

01:13 - 10.539 NO DOUBT WHO WAS BEING REFERRED

01:13 - 11.899 TO IN THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE

01:13 - 12.990 THEY ARE READY HER.

01:13 - 15.399 WHO THE FRIEND WAS AT JACK'S

01:13 - 17.240 FIREHOUSE VERSION RICHARDSON.

01:13 - 19.390 THE STATEMENT WAS HEARD FIRST

01:13 - 22.419 AND THEN THE FEMALE CO

01:13 - 23.420 DEFENDANT.

01:13 - 26.930 MADE THE CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION

01:13 - 28.920 WHEN SHE TESTIFIED IN COURT.

01:13 - 32.110 SO ALL OF THE 3 FEDERAL CASES.

01:13 - 34.809 RUTAN. RICHARDSON

01:13 - 36.649 IN GRAY, SAY THAT WHEN

01:13 - 37.879 THAT STATEMENT IS PRESENTED

01:13 - 39.529 BEFORE A JURY IF THERE IS NO

01:13 - 41.419 DOUBT AND IF IT'S CLEAR WHO

01:13 - 42.569 THAT PERSON IS IN THAT

01:13 - 44.399 STATEMENT THAT'S A CLEAR CUT

01:13 - 46.189 THROUGH BY ANY EVENT REIVERS US

01:13 - 47.779 AS THAT THAT I THINK THAT'S THE

01:13 - 49.490 DISTINCTION WE HAVE THE.

01:13 - 52.150 THE CONTEXTUAL.

01:13 - 55.170 THE PURPOSEFUL PLACEMENT.

01:13 - 58.200 OF MISTER HOUSTON BEFORE THE

01:13 - 00.249 CONFESSION WAS READ INTO

01:14 - 01.369 EVIDENCE BEFORE THE JURY THEY

01:14 - 02.519 KNEW EXACTLY WHO HE WAS AND

01:14 - 03.480 THAT CONFESSION WAS ROUTE

01:14 - 04.480 YOU'RE OUT.

01:14 - 07.819 OKAY IF THE THE EMPLOYER

01:14 - 09.389 TESTIFIED AFTER THE STATEMENT

01:14 - 10.340 WAS READ IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE

01:14 - 12.329 TELLING US. THAT LET

01:14 - 14.769 THAT LINE CLEARS THE THE ISSUE

01:14 - 15.770 BURTON ISSUE.

01:14 - 19.579 I MEAN I WOULD THINK THAT

01:14 - 21.330 THAT'S CLOSER TO RICHARD SEN.

01:14 - 25.509 THAN RICHARD IS SAYING CAN

01:14 - 26.860 TEXT TO A LINKAGE SO

01:14 - 28.599 MAYBE WOULD BE COMPLIANT

01:14 - 30.649 UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES OF

01:14 - 33.179 ABSENT THE MY ABSENCE, THE

01:14 - 35.330 EMPLOYER AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE.

01:14 - 36.839 SO ARE YOU SHARED WITH US TO

01:14 - 37.780 THINK IT'S OUR DUTY

01:14 - 39.719 AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DICTATE

01:14 - 41.439 HOW THE STRATEGIC MANEUVER OF

01:14 - 42.520 THE COMMONWEALTH SHOULD BE.

01:14 - 45.619 I'VE BEEN UP ITS INTRODUCTION

01:14 - 47.349 OF EVIDENCE NOT NOT NOT NOT AT

01:14 - 49.719 ALL I'M SAYING TO THE EXTENT

01:14 - 50.720 THAT THE

01:14 - 52.590 ACTIONS IN

01:14 - 54.829 THIS TRIAL. IT CONSISTENT WITH

01:14 - 56.589 THE JUDGE'S RULINGS VIOLATED

01:14 - 58.919 THE CONSTITUTION. THEN IT'S

01:14 - 00.120 BEEN IT'S YOUR WOULD BE

01:15 - 02.029 OBLIGATION TO

01:15 - 04.870 RECTIFY THAT AND TO MAKE SURE

01:15 - 07.099 I SET MY CLIENT AND SUFFER

01:15 - 08.439 CONSTITUTIONAL SOME SHAPE.

01:15 - 09.719 I THINK YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO

01:15 - 10.949 SOME TROUBLE THERE ISN'T IT

01:15 - 13.169 YOUR POSITION. AND I

01:15 - 14.369 THINK THE U.S. SUPREME COURT'S

01:15 - 15.899 POSITION THAT IF AND THE

01:15 - 17.329 READING OF THE TOTALITY OF THE

01:15 - 19.659 RECORD. IT'S OBVIOUS TO

01:15 - 20.870 EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM

01:15 - 22.689 WHO THE OTHER GUY IS THAT

01:15 - 24.010 THAT'S A BRUTAL VIOLATION.

01:15 - 28.699 AND I THINK I THINK

01:15 - 30.489 MAYBE FOR YOU WE'RE GOING IN

01:15 - 31.989 RESPONSE TO JUSTICE MONDAY'S

01:15 - 33.330 QUESTION IF I IF I'M.

01:15 - 36.739 NOT MISS READING WHAT YOU'RE

01:15 - 37.740 SAYING IS

01:15 - 39.899 IF THE REFERENCE TO THE

01:15 - 42.429 FRIENDS AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE BY

01:15 - 43.989 THE BOSS HAD BEEN LATER IN THE

01:15 - 44.580 TRIAL.

01:15 - 46.360 IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LESS

01:15 - 49.499 IMPACTFUL THAT WAS IN THIS CASE

01:15 - 51.030 WHERE IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE.

01:15 - 54.339 MY FRIEND REFERENCE FROM THE

01:15 - 55.340 CONFESSION.

01:15 - 57.489 BUT IT COULD HAVE STILL BEEN

01:15 - 58.799 IMPACTFUL BUT THIS WAS

01:15 - 00.889 PARTICULARLY IMPACTFUL BECAUSE

01:16 - 01.989 IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE

01:16 - 04.239 CONFESSION WAS READ WRITE AND I

01:16 - 05.980 WAS RELYING ON THE 3RD CIRCUIT

01:16 - 08.110 UNITED STATES

01:16 - 10.269 TO RICHARDS WHERE THERE'S A

01:16 - 12.799 ROBBERY WHERE YOU HAD THE

01:16 - 15.090 RIGHT. THE STATEMENT.

01:16 - 17.569 THAT INDICATED THAT THERE WAS A

01:16 - 18.899 FRIEND WHO COMMITTED THE

01:16 - 20.349 ROBBERY AND THEN RIGHT AFTER

01:16 - 21.350 THAT YOU HAD.

01:16 - 24.450 A DETECTIVE. PRESENT

01:16 - 27.319 THE STATEMENT AND 3RD CIRCUIT

01:16 - 29.929 SAID THAT IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO

01:16 - 31.940 THIS CASE THAT YOU KNOW

01:16 - 33.559 THE AND I THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY

01:16 - 35.149 LANGUAGE PURPOSEFUL PLACEMENT

01:16 - 35.570 THERE WAS PER

01:16 - 37.119 FOOT PLACEMENT OF THESE

01:16 - 38.679 WITNESSES AND THAT PURPOSE

01:16 - 39.939 REPLACEMENT CREATED EITHER

01:16 - 42.739 THE FACIAL. NO IMPLICATION OR

01:16 - 44.759 THE BLATANT LINKAGE OK THANK

01:16 - 45.889 YOU I THINK WE UNDERSTAND YOUR

01:16 - 46.999 POSITION I DID HAVE A MISSION

01:16 - 48.809 CHIEF HAS JUST SPENT A LOT OF

01:16 - 50.340 TIME ON THE JACKS FIREHOUSE

01:16 - 54.140 ANY BRUTON

01:16 - 56.789 CONCERNS WITH MY FRIEND IN THE

01:16 - 58.379 FRONT MY FRIEND IN THE BACK HE

01:16 - 59.020 SHE.

01:16 - 00.419 THE PRONOUNS THAT WERE USED

01:17 - 02.239 THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE

01:17 - 04.039 ARE. OR ARE WE JUST REALLY JUST

01:17 - 04.990 BE FOCUSING ON THE JACKS

01:17 - 05.990 FIREHOUSE.

01:17 - 08.819 WELL I WOULD THINK IN THIS

01:17 - 10.199 CASE BECAUSE THAT WE HAD 2

01:17 - 11.579 CO-DEFENDANTS, ONE WAS MALE ONE

01:17 - 13.389 WAS FEMALE THAT KIND OF A THING

01:17 - 15.109 RIGHT NOW AND I THE FACTS MAKE

01:17 - 16.319 CLEAR THAT THE FEAT WAS A

01:17 - 17.949 FEMALE GOT INTO THE REAR WITH

01:17 - 18.950 THE CONFESSOR.

01:17 - 21.569 THAT A MALE GOT INTO THE

01:17 - 24.140 FRONT. FOR MY NARROW

01:17 - 27.209 I MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY ANY

01:17 - 30.139 DIFFICULTY WITH YOU KNOW, AND

01:17 - 30.330 THAT'S

01:17 - 32.149 THE NATION. I THINK THAT'S

01:17 - 33.849 WHAT'S TROUBLESOME IS WHEN WE

01:17 - 36.119 HAVE THE JACKS FIREHOUSE MY

01:17 - 37.239 FRIEND WHO WORK IN JACK'S

01:17 - 38.940 FIREHOUSE THAT WAS TANTAMOUNT

01:17 - 41.100 TO SAYING MICHAEL JONES.

01:17 - 43.280 WITHIN

01:17 - 46.069 THE NARROW CONTEXT OF MY CLIENT

01:17 - 47.070 WITHOUT ANY

01:17 - 51.680 OVERRIDING LEGAL.

01:17 - 55.929 WITHIN THE NARROW SCOPE OF MY

01:17 - 57.699 CASE MY FRIEND AT JACK'S

01:17 - 59.599 FIREHOUSE IT FROM MISTER

01:17 - 01.259 HOUSTON AND THEN IMMEDIATELY

01:18 - 02.260 FOLLOWING.

01:18 - 05.099 THAT'S BRUTAL AND I JUST JUST

01:18 - 06.780 ONE JUST ONE FINAL POINT.

01:18 - 07.950 THERE WAS ALSO

01:18 - 13.259 WASHINGTON THE. THE DEPARTMENT

01:18 - 14.999 OF CORRECTIONS IT WAS ALMOST

01:18 - 16.229 THE SAME THING WE

01:18 - 18.129 HAD TAYLOR. TAYLOR WAS AN

01:18 - 20.269 EYEWITNESS TO HE WAS A PARTISAN

01:18 - 22.379 PARTICIPANT AND EYEWITNESS IN A

01:18 - 24.719 ROBBERY. WE HAD TO CONFESS OR

01:18 - 27.119 WHITE. WHY THE STATEMENT WAS

01:18 - 30.019 REDACTED TO SAY THE DRIVER AND

01:18 - 31.020 THE OTHER GUY.

01:18 - 34.259 TAYLOR TESTIFIED RIGHT BEFORE

01:18 - 36.169 WHY THESE CONFESSION WAS READ I

01:18 - 37.580 THINK IT WAS LIKE A 3 DAY.

01:18 - 41.159 A SEPARATION AND IT'S IT SOUNDS

01:18 - 41.790 LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A

01:18 - 43.719 WEEKEND. BUT THAT THE OPINION

01:18 - 44.889 MAKES CLEAR THAT THERE WAS ONLY

01:18 - 45.800 LIKE IT A

01:18 - 47.809 FEW HOURS FROM ONE PERSON

01:18 - 49.229 TESTIFYING TO ANOTHER EVEN

01:18 - 50.469 THOSE OVER THE COURSE OF A

01:18 - 53.299 FEW DAYS. THAT'S THIS CASE AND

01:18 - 54.789 THAT'S FROM THE 3RD CIRCUIT WE

01:18 - 56.459 HAVE TAYLOR WHO WAS THE

01:18 - 58.879 EYEWITNESS AND AND ALSO THE THE

01:18 - 00.139 THE 3RD CIRCUIT FOUND IT

01:19 - 01.859 WASN'T HARMLESS. SO IT'S THE

01:19 - 03.229 SAME WAY THAT TAYLOR IS AN

01:19 - 05.329 EYEWITNESS AND TAYLOR WAS HIGH

01:19 - 07.019 ON DRUGS TOO. SO THE SAME WE

01:19 - 08.540 HAVE TAYLOR IS AN EYEWITNESS.

01:19 - 10.969 YOU HAVE THE CONFESSOR WADI IN

01:19 - 12.329 THIS CASE. TAYLOR IS MISTER

01:19 - 14.989 DESTIN. THE CONFESSOR IS US

01:19 - 17.869 AID WILSON. AND YOU HAVE THE

01:19 - 19.219 DRUG ISSUE THAT IMPACTED

01:19 - 20.959 PERCEPTION WHICH THE 3RD

01:19 - 22.400 CIRCUIT SAID YOU KNOW WHAT.

01:19 - 25.710 THAT'S NOT A HARMLESS ERROR.

01:19 - 29.749 SO. WASHINGTON VERSUS IN THERE

01:19 - 30.900 TO WASHINGTON'S.

01:19 - 33.670 IT WENT UP TO THE SUPREME COURT

01:19 - 35.959 AND THEN CAME BACK. BUT BOTH OF

01:19 - 37.639 THEM ARE CLEAR THAT THERE WAS A

01:19 - 39.589 PROVEN VIOLATION AND THAT THE

01:19 - 42.679 ERROR WAS NOT HARM US AND THOSE

01:19 - 45.200 CAKE THAT THAT CASE WASHINGTON.

01:19 - 47.349 THIS IS CLOSE TO THE

01:19 - 50.879 INSTANT CASE AS UNITED STATES

01:19 - 51.979 WE RETURN. THANK YOU

01:19 - 53.559 VERY MUCH. THANK YOU TO WITH

01:19 - 56.070 JOY AND I WAS A GOOD FINISH US.

01:19 - 57.709 I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO LOSE

01:19 - 58.949 THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR

01:19 - 59.570 PERSPECTIVE

01:19 - 02.149 ON THIS WAYS IT PROBLEMATIC

01:20 - 03.669 THAT THE DETECTIVE BEFORE

01:20 - 05.489 READING THE CONFESSION STATED

01:20 - 06.210 THAT IT WEIGHS

01:20 - 07.370 8 BILLY DID.

01:20 - 11.039 VERSION OF THE CONFESSION OF

01:20 - 12.040 COURSE I MEAN

01:20 - 14.639 I COULDN'T I THINK HE USED I

01:20 - 15.929 THINK THE WORD WITH REDACTED IN

01:20 - 18.109 THE ACT AS WE GET IT, YES, BUT

01:20 - 20.739 I YOU KNOW THAT ALERTED THE

01:20 - 22.160 JURY THAT THERE HAD BEEN

01:20 - 25.759 CHANGES FOR ME AND ESPECIALLY

01:20 - 26.670 WHEN YOU READ THAT IN THE

01:20 - 28.629 CONTEXT OF THE PURPOSEFUL

01:20 - 30.560 PLACEMENT OF THE WITNESSES.

01:20 - 33.649 IT IT WAS NO DOUBT THAT

01:20 - 34.919 CONFESSION WAS READ THAT

01:20 - 36.389 REDACTED CONFESSION WHICH READ

01:20 - 37.729 THE JURY KNEW THEY WERE HEARING

01:20 - 39.019 REDACTED CONFESSION WHEN THEY

01:20 - 40.329 HEAR FRIEND AND FRIEND AND

01:20 - 41.909 FRIEND AND FRIEND. THERE'S NO

01:20 - 43.889 DOUBT THE PERSON THAT DAY WE'RE

01:20 - 44.560 LOOKING AT THE

01:20 - 47.119 DEFENSE TABLE WAS MICHAEL JONES

01:20 - 48.400 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

01:20 - 57.630 AND YOU'RE ARGUING AMICUS IN.

01:20 - 59.680 ARE YOU FROM THE PHILADELPHIA

01:20 - 01.719 DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. YES,

01:21 - 02.800 YOU'RE ON REDDIT.

01:21 - 05.900 ERIC MORNING YEAR HONORS

01:21 - 07.059 MISTER CHIEF JUSTICE AND MAY IT

01:21 - 08.489 PLEASE THE COURT. AARON

01:21 - 10.139 MARCUS FROM THE DEFENDER

01:21 - 12.079 ASSOCIATION ON BEHALF OF AMICUS

01:21 - 13.449 DEFENDER ASSOCIATION HERE IN

01:21 - 14.789 SUPPORT OF THE PALIN MICHAEL

01:21 - 15.790 JONES.

01:21 - 19.260 PROVIDING A A

01:21 - 21.519 FREEFORM'S NARRATIVE I'D LIKE

01:21 - 22.829 TO JUST RESPOND TO SOME OF YOUR

01:21 - 24.149 HONOR'S QUESTIONS I THINK IS

01:21 - 25.570 THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST HELPFUL.

01:21 - 28.459 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO

01:21 - 30.549 SUGGEST THAT TRAVERS DOES NEED

01:21 - 33.259 TO BE CLARIFIED TO PREVENT THE

01:21 - 34.810 CONTINUING PROBLEM THAT

01:21 - 37.609 SURELY USING A NEUTRAL PRONOUN

01:21 - 39.509 IS APPARENTLY ALWAYS SUFFICIENT

01:21 - 41.260 TO SATISFY BRITAIN VIOLATION

01:21 - 42.989 THAT THAT THAT IS NOT THE LAWN

01:21 - 44.899 CANNOT BE LAW WHICH CAN TEXT TO

01:21 - 45.900 US NEXT.

01:21 - 47.570 IT IS IT IS

01:21 - 49.449 NOT CONTEXTUAL IN THE CONTEXT

01:21 - 50.889 OF THE RICHARDSON BAND OF THE

01:21 - 52.260 CAN TEXT OR IMPLICATION.

01:21 - 54.889 OBVIOUSNESS IS THIS COURT

01:21 - 56.229 ALREADY SUGGESTED DURING THE

01:21 - 57.230 ARGUMENT.

01:21 - 59.199 IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONTEST

01:21 - 01.169 AND SOME DEGREE CERTAINLY CAN

01:22 - 01.880 TEXT OR TO THE

01:22 - 03.879 STATEMENT ITSELF AND THAT'S

01:22 - 05.019 SOMETHING I WANTED TO GET INTO

01:22 - 06.319 THE SECOND POINT WHICH IS THE

01:22 - 07.899 STATEMENT IN THIS CASE WAS

01:22 - 08.380 BEFORE YOU

01:22 - 09.380 MOVE ON.

01:22 - 11.399 ASSUMING THAT YOUR POSITION

01:22 - 13.349 PREVAILS IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT

01:22 - 14.510 IT WAS TRAVER YS

01:22 - 16.899 THAT WHAT CAUSED THE SUPERIOR

01:22 - 17.990 COURT. THE AIR.

01:22 - 20.609 I THINK IT WAS STRANGE OR

01:22 - 22.520 TRAVERS AND ITS PROGENY RON.

01:22 - 24.480 YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN THERE'S

01:22 - 26.009 BEEN SEVERAL STATEMENTS EITHER

01:22 - 27.359 BY THIS COURT IN SIMPLY

01:22 - 29.019 REAFFIRMING TRADERS AND

01:22 - 30.519 SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE SUPERIOR

01:22 - 32.209 COURT IN DISCUSSING THAT NEAR

01:22 - 34.059 USE OF A NEUTRAL PRONOUN WILL

01:22 - 35.190 ALWAYS BE SUFFICIENT.

01:22 - 36.999 CERTAINLY REDACTION OF THE

01:22 - 37.770 DEFENDANT'S NAME

01:22 - 39.869 IS NECESSARY. BUT DOES NOT

01:22 - 41.369 ALWAYS SUFFICIENT TO SIMPLY

01:22 - 42.799 REDACT THAT NAME AND REPLACE IT

01:22 - 44.179 WITH A NEUTRAL PRONOUN IS VERY

01:22 - 45.210 CLEARLY THIS.

01:22 - 47.009 THIS STATEMENT IN THIS CASE THE

01:22 - 48.689 4 PAGES OF TRANSCRIPT THAT THE

01:22 - 49.950 STATEMENT OCCUPIES.

01:22 - 51.959 YOU KNOW IN ADDITION TO SOME OF

01:22 - 53.209 THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY

01:22 - 56.069 MENTIONED THIS STATEMENT WITHIN

01:22 - 58.469 IT LITERALLY HAVE AS A POINT

01:22 - 00.319 A FINGER DISCUSSION

01:23 - 02.539 WHERE CLARENCE WILSON IS

01:23 - 04.549 TALKING ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE

01:23 - 05.699 PERSON IN THE BACK WITH THE

01:23 - 07.280 PURSE AND

01:23 - 09.469 THE PERSON IN THE GRAY JACKET

01:23 - 11.289 IN A PHOTOGRAPH SHOWN TO HIM BY

01:23 - 13.009 A DETECTIVE THE ACCUSATORY

01:23 - 14.010 LANGRIDGE

01:23 - 17.279 IS BEYOND THE PALE IT IS

01:23 - 19.030 CERTAINLY YEARS WORRYING

01:23 - 21.200 MISTER MARCUS.

01:23 - 23.799 IS THERE ANY ANY UNDER THE

01:23 - 24.380 FACTS OF

01:23 - 26.589 THIS CASE. ANYWAY THAT IS

01:23 - 28.459 STATEMENT WOULD NOT VIOLATE

01:23 - 29.890 THROUGH SALUTE LEE.

01:23 - 31.959 YES, SO THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD

01:23 - 33.369 HAPPEN SO THAT COULD BE A JOINT

01:23 - 34.610 ROUTE CERTAINLY.

01:23 - 37.579 I UNDERTOOK

01:23 - 39.399 THIS THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I

01:23 - 40.649 BELIEVE THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT

01:23 - 42.689 QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE

01:23 - 43.999 STATEMENT COULD BE REDACTED IN

01:23 - 45.439 THE WAY THAT SATISFIES THE 6TH

01:23 - 47.239 AMENDMENT AND MISTER JONES

01:23 - 48.859 CONFRONTATION RIGHT LET ME GIVE

01:23 - 49.909 YOU ACTUALLY AN EXAMPLE TO

01:23 - 52.749 START OUT. FIRST AS TO HOW HOW

01:23 - 54.009 THIS COULD BE DONE IN THE WAY

01:23 - 55.010 THAT I THINK.

01:23 - 57.189 GRAVE IN TALKS RICHARDSON

01:23 - 59.610 EXEMPLIFIES HAS A VALUE.

01:23 - 01.949 SO FIRST WHAT WE HAVE IS THE

01:24 - 03.249 VERY BEGINNING OF THE STATEMENT

01:24 - 04.619 STARTS OUT THAT WAS READ TO THE

01:24 - 05.200 JURY IN THE

01:24 - 07.669 REDACTED FORM MYSELF MY FRIEND

01:24 - 08.989 HAD CLOCKED OUT OF WORK IN

01:24 - 10.979 ABOUT 10 TO 11:00PM ON FEBRUARY

01:24 - 12.229 5TH, WE WORK AT JACK'S

01:24 - 14.579 FIREHOUSE VERY SIMPLY JUST A

01:24 - 16.609 START CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE

01:24 - 17.590 STATEMENTS REDACTED AND

01:24 - 19.089 RICHARDSON AND AND EXISTS

01:24 - 20.309 THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY ON A

01:24 - 21.919 DAILY BASIS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN

01:24 - 24.209 VERY EASILY CHANGED TO SAY I

01:24 - 25.600 PLUCKED OUT OF WORK AT 10 TO

01:24 - 27.560 11:00PM ON FEBRUARY 5TH.

01:24 - 30.039 I WORK AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE JUST

01:24 - 31.859 THOSE 2 LINES. IT'S IMPORTANT

01:24 - 33.160 TO RECOGNIZE ONE.

01:24 - 34.469 IT IS CLEARLY STILL

01:24 - 36.819 INCRIMINATING TO THE CLARENCE

01:24 - 38.309 WILSON WHO THE INFORMATION TO

01:24 - 40.470 BE PRESENTED AGAINST AND 2

01:24 - 42.419 MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT DOESN'T

01:24 - 43.569 HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS CAN

01:24 - 45.370 TEXT TO A LINKAGE BECAUSE

01:24 - 47.509 HERE THE COMMONWEALTH COULD

01:24 - 48.579 STILL INTRODUCE MISTER

01:24 - 51.399 HOUSTON'S TESTIMONY THAT THE

01:24 - 52.549 THAT MISTER JONES WORKS OF

01:24 - 54.629 JACK'S FIREHOUSE BUT IT'S NOT

01:24 - 55.779 APPARENT FROM THE FACE OF THE

01:24 - 57.889 STATEMENT AT ALL THAT MISTER

01:24 - 58.860 WILSON IS

01:24 - 00.669 ACCUSING ANYONE, HE'S NOT

01:25 - 02.339 POINTING THE FINGER CASTLE WHAT

01:25 - 03.589 WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL SHARE

01:25 - 05.479 WITH ME WHERE IS THERE ANY

01:25 - 07.250 OTHER AREA OF THE LAW.

01:25 - 09.959 THAT JUDICIAL MANIPULATION

01:25 - 11.489 IS PERMITTED FOR THE

01:25 - 12.589 INTRODUCTION

01:25 - 14.719 OF EVIDENCE WHEN IT'S

01:25 - 16.649 INFLUENCING THE ULTIMATE

01:25 - 18.549 OUTCOME OF THE CASE CERTAINLY

01:25 - 19.210 AND I THINK I

01:25 - 21.149 THINK ONE IT'S A MISNOMER TO

01:25 - 22.940 SAY THIS JUDICIAL MANIPULATION.

01:25 - 24.839 THE GOVERNMENT THE COMMONWEALTH

01:25 - 26.189 HERE IS THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO

01:25 - 27.620 SEE TO REDACT THE STATEMENT

01:25 - 29.009 AND THEN THE DEFENSE HAS THE

01:25 - 30.409 RIGHT TO OBJECT TO WHETHER THAT

01:25 - 31.759 STATEMENT IS GOING IN THE

01:25 - 32.999 REDACTED FORM IS GOING TO

01:25 - 34.249 VIOLATE THE CONFRONTATION

01:25 - 35.849 CLAUSE. THE COURT IS GOING TO

01:25 - 37.729 EVALUATE IT. AND BUT I

01:25 - 39.049 CERTAINLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT

01:25 - 40.659 HAS THAT HAS THE BURDEN

01:25 - 42.159 TO SAY WE WANT TO USE THE

01:25 - 43.539 STATEMENT AND IS IT GOING TO BE

01:25 - 45.020 A 6TH AMENDMENT VIOLATION.

01:25 - 46.689 SO WE'RE GOING TO REDACTED IN

01:25 - 47.570 THE WAY THAT WE THINK

01:25 - 49.769 IS APPROPRIATE. TO ALLOW THIS

01:25 - 50.959 TO AVOID A 6TH AMENDMENT

01:25 - 51.430 BURDEN.

01:25 - 53.989 NOW THAT MISTER WILSON IN THIS

01:25 - 55.849 CASE COULD HAVE OBJECTED AND IN

01:25 - 58.009 SOME INSTANCES SEVERANCE MAY BE

01:25 - 59.289 APPROPRIATE BUT IN MOST

01:25 - 00.919 INSTANCES IT WON'T WHICH WE

01:26 - 03.759 KNOW BECAUSE THE OBVIOUSNESS

01:26 - 05.109 TESTS WHICH THIS COURT IS HE'S

01:26 - 06.460 ALREADY TALKED ABOUT

01:26 - 08.389 HERE AND I WON'T I WON'T HAMMER

01:26 - 09.529 UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON

01:26 - 11.569 IT HAS BEEN USED THROUGHOUT

01:26 - 13.519 THIS COUNTRY IN MANY STATES AND

01:26 - 14.799 MANY FEDERAL CIRCUITS FOR

01:26 - 16.709 DECADES WITHOUT CAUSING

01:26 - 19.039 SIGNIFICANT BURDENS ON EITHER

01:26 - 21.039 THE GOVERNMENT OR THE COURT IN

01:26 - 22.299 ASSURING THAT THERE ARE 6TH

01:26 - 23.859 AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS AVAILABLE

01:26 - 25.309 AND IS NOT REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT

01:26 - 26.709 SEVERANCE EITHER LET ME

01:26 - 28.239 CHALLENGE THAT I

01:26 - 30.699 UNDERSTAND IT. THE QUESTION I

01:26 - 32.709 HAVE IS THAT DOES THAT NOT FLY

01:26 - 33.710 IN THE

01:26 - 36.959 THE WHAT RICHARDSON STANDS FOR

01:26 - 38.139 IN THE SENSE THAT THE

01:26 - 39.840 DEFENDANT'S STATEMENT.

01:26 - 42.559 CAN IMPLICATE I SHOULD

01:26 - 44.149 SAY CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT CAN

01:26 - 46.459 IMPLICATE YOUR CLIENT SHOULD

01:26 - 48.349 THERE BE OTHER EVIDENCE

01:26 - 49.420 INTRODUCED.

01:26 - 52.109 THE UNDERLYING PRECEPT BEING

01:26 - 53.499 THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT

01:26 - 54.949 STATEMENT IS SPEAKING ABOUT

01:26 - 57.749 MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL

01:26 - 59.639 INVOLVED IN. AND THE CRIMINAL

01:26 - 02.000 EPISODE. YOU ARE REMEDIES.

01:27 - 05.239 IS TO CONTORT RICHARD SAID

01:27 - 07.709 SUCH THAT IT ONLY APPEARS TO BE

01:27 - 07.870 A

01:27 - 11.039 SINGULAR CONFESSION PERFORMED

01:27 - 13.399 ONLY BY THE INDIVIDUAL GIVING

01:27 - 14.850 THE STATEMENT TO THE DETECTIVE

01:27 - 16.169 WHICH TO ME

01:27 - 18.709 IS THAT BUT SUCH A MINUTE

01:27 - 19.899 MINUTE DELAY SHOULD IF NOT A

01:27 - 21.849 PERVERSION OF THE EVIDENCE HOW

01:27 - 23.240 CAN WE JUSTIFY THAT.

01:27 - 25.609 SO I'M NOT ASKING THIS COURT

01:27 - 26.659 THAT IN EVERY INSTANCE, THERE

01:27 - 28.269 ARE OTHERS EXIT OTHER EXAMPLES

01:27 - 30.499 WHERE WE OR SOMEONE CAN BE

01:27 - 32.509 USED. IN A VARIETY OF CONTEXTS

01:27 - 33.400 MAY NOT ALWAYS

01:27 - 35.699 BE APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE OR

01:27 - 37.949 EXCISE THE EXISTENCE OF ANOTHER

01:27 - 39.670 PERSON AS RICHARDSON SUGGESTED

01:27 - 41.130 A JUSTICE DAUGHERTY

01:27 - 43.339 IN SOME INSTANCES IT MAY

01:27 - 44.609 DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE

01:27 - 46.229 CASE AND WHAT THE STATEMENT IS

01:27 - 48.339 AND WHAT IT SAYS DEPENDS ON IT

01:27 - 49.969 IT'S GOING TO BE CIRCUMSTANCES

01:27 - 52.639 SPECIFIC. IN MANY INSTANCES

01:27 - 54.649 FOR INSTANCE. LET ME LET ME

01:27 - 55.779 GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS

01:27 - 57.709 STATEMENT, GREAT WHERE I CAN

01:27 - 59.070 TRY TO FIND IT BUT.

01:28 - 04.559 IT WAS THE BROAD STREET LINE,

01:28 - 05.890 I'M NOT SURE WHAT STATION

01:28 - 07.299 THIS COULD BE REDACTED TO SAY

01:28 - 08.959 WHEN ME AND MY FRIEND GOT OFF

01:28 - 10.699 TO INSTEAD SAY WHEN I GOT OFF

01:28 - 13.749 THE SUBWAY. WHEN I GOT OFF THE

01:28 - 15.400 SUBWAY AT TASKER MORE STATION.

01:28 - 17.209 A GROUP OF US BEGAN TO WALK

01:28 - 18.949 TOGETHER SOMEONE FLAGGED DOWN A

01:28 - 20.680 CAB AS WE GOT TO THE SUBWAY

01:28 - 22.569 WHERE YOU CAN USE WORDS THAT

01:28 - 23.550 CREATE GROUPS

01:28 - 25.279 THAT CREATE INDIVIDUAL

01:28 - 26.749 PARTICIPATION WITH MORE THAN

01:28 - 28.279 ONE THESE ARE CERTAINLY

01:28 - 29.719 VALUABLE AND APPROPRIATE

01:28 - 31.639 REDACTIONS NOW THIS IS JUST MY

01:28 - 32.979 SUGGESTION, THE GOVERNMENT MAY

01:28 - 33.790 HAVE A DIFFERENT THE

01:28 - 34.430 COMMONWEALTH MAY HAVE A

01:28 - 36.470 DIFFERENT TAKE BUT ALSO

01:28 - 38.509 MISTER WILSON WHO WAS THE

01:28 - 42.080 CONFESSOR WE MAY WELL OBJECT 2.

01:28 - 46.219 YOU ATTEMPTING TO MANIPULATE

01:28 - 47.220 THE STATEMENT.

01:28 - 50.989 TAKE BLAME FROM YOUR CLIENT

01:28 - 51.850 WHICH PLACES IT

01:28 - 53.589 ON HIM WHEN HE GAVE HIS

01:28 - 55.049 STATEMENT HE SAID YOUR CLIENT

01:28 - 57.269 FIRED ALL 3 SHOTS. THE TO THE

01:28 - 58.489 GRAYS THE HEAD OF MONEY AT THE

01:28 - 00.389 SHOULDER. I THINK IS THE CO OF

01:29 - 02.609 PUT THEIR CASE IN THE SHOT THAT

01:29 - 02.900 HIT

01:29 - 04.929 THE SHOULDER CAME FROM MISTER

01:29 - 06.319 WILSON, THE BACK SEAT WHICH HE

01:29 - 07.870 DIDN'T WANT TO CONCEDE WENY

01:29 - 10.060 MADE HIS CONFESSION SO AGAIN

01:29 - 12.269 I THINK JUST THE STARTING POINT

01:29 - 12.430 IS

01:29 - 15.199 WELL TAKEN. WE DON'T DO OUR

01:29 - 17.219 TRIAL COURTS AND THE SERVICE IF

01:29 - 18.749 WE GIVE THEM DIRECTION TO

01:29 - 20.780 SUBSTANTIALLY OLDER STATEMENTS.

01:29 - 24.190 THE KID, THE SANITIZER BRUTON.

01:29 - 26.909 PERHAPS DISTORTING THE MEANING

01:29 - 28.309 VIS-A-VIS THE 2 DEFENDANTS

01:29 - 29.250 STRONGER ARGUMENT

01:29 - 30.250 FOR SEVERANCE.

01:29 - 32.269 AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT

01:29 - 33.769 YOU TRY I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT

01:29 - 35.049 YOU SHOULD INSTRUCT THE TRIAL

01:29 - 37.540 COURTS TO SANITIZE STATEMENT.

01:29 - 38.120 THE ISSUE

01:29 - 39.609 IS THAT AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING

01:29 - 41.509 IS THAT THEY MAY BE REDACTED IN

01:29 - 42.330 THE WAY THAT I THINK IS

01:29 - 44.180 CONSTITUTIONALLY PERMISSIBLE

01:29 - 45.479 THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING AND

01:29 - 47.110 I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE

01:29 - 48.799 BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE

01:29 - 50.789 VARIOUS THAT THE PERSON WHO 6TH

01:29 - 52.020 AMENDMENT RIGHT IS IMPLICATED.

01:29 - 53.679 THE DEFENDANT WHO STATEMENTS

01:29 - 54.500 BEING INTRODUCED IN THE

01:29 - 55.490 COMMONWEALTH AND THEY'RE GOING

01:29 - 56.909 TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME

01:29 - 58.379 STATEMENT THAT IS AT LEAST

01:29 - 00.199 REASONABLY SATISFACTORY TO THE

01:30 - 01.759 COURT IN THIS PARK IS WHERE YOU

01:30 - 03.169 STAND YOU YOU'RE POINTING TO

01:30 - 04.999 THAT OR WE SEVER SPOT OF THE

01:30 - 06.299 COUNCIL IS IN PART OF THE

01:30 - 08.449 PROBLEM HEARING YOU YOU CAN USE

01:30 - 10.130 THE WORD 3 TIMES STATEMENT.

01:30 - 12.399 THE CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT, I'M

01:30 - 13.519 A CONFESSION YOU'RE LEARNING

01:30 - 14.679 BUT BUT BUT ISN'T THAT THE

01:30 - 16.340 POINT REALLY BECAUSE

01:30 - 18.969 THIS WAS A STATEMENT BY WEALTH

01:30 - 20.759 AND THAT WAS INTENDED TO IN

01:30 - 22.260 CALLED PATE SOMEONE ELSE.

01:30 - 24.469 THAT'S CORRECT THIS WAS NOT

01:30 - 27.839 REALLY AS MUCH A CONFESSION BY

01:30 - 28.420 HIM

01:30 - 30.849 ANYTHING THAT IT WEIGHS A

01:30 - 33.030 STATEMENT TO IN CO PAY.

01:30 - 37.239 JONES AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO

01:30 - 39.089 CLEARLY BUTTS UP AGAINST 6

01:30 - 40.439 AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I THINK

01:30 - 41.849 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT

01:30 - 42.960 THERE MAY BE SOME

01:30 - 45.849 CONFESSIONS THAT ARE REALLY

01:30 - 47.939 STATEMENTS THAT MAYBE CAN'T

01:30 - 50.449 BE USED. YEAH, CERTAINLY THE

01:30 - 52.539 DEGREE OF THE ACCUSATION OF

01:30 - 54.189 ANOTHER CO-DEFENDANT IS GOING

01:30 - 56.149 TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND CERTAINLY

01:30 - 56.870 SIGNIFICANT FOR THE

01:30 - 58.380 6TH AMENDMENT PURPOSES.

01:30 - 00.419 WHERE WERE STATEMENT OF AN

01:31 - 01.909 INDIVIDUAL OR CONFESSION OF ONE

01:31 - 03.419 CO-DEFENDANT. HE'S TRYING TO

01:31 - 05.439 EXTRICATE THEMSELVES AND POINTS

01:31 - 07.110 THE FINGER THROUGH ACCUSATION.

01:31 - 09.539 AT ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, IF THAT

01:31 - 10.779 OTHER INDIVIDUAL BECOMES

01:31 - 13.069 OBVIOUSLY THE CO DEFENDING THAT

01:31 - 14.819 IS GOING TO BE A VERY CLEAR

01:31 - 16.599 BRUTON VIOLATION THAT VIOLATES

01:31 - 19.229 RICHARDSON GRAY AND AND PER

01:31 - 20.659 MISSION OR NOT AN OBVIOUS

01:31 - 22.869 SEVERANCE ISSUE IN MANY

01:31 - 24.259 INSTANCES IT WILL IT REALLY

01:31 - 25.829 DEPENDS AGAIN CIRCUMSTANCE.

01:31 - 27.619 PACIFIC AND IF THE COMMONWEALTH

01:31 - 29.369 IN THIS CASE WANTS TO USE

01:31 - 31.819 THIS ACCUSATION. TEXACO PAINT

01:31 - 33.939 WELL WHICH EXPO PETE WILSON AND

01:31 - 36.510 THEN IMPLICATES. MISTER JONES

01:31 - 37.899 I DO THINK IN ORDER TO

01:31 - 39.739 AVOID SEVERANCE THE SEPT THE

01:31 - 40.949 REDACTION WILL HAVE TO BE

01:31 - 42.689 SIGNIFICANT AND I DO THINK

01:31 - 43.340 THAT'S THE

01:31 - 45.359 IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE IT

01:31 - 47.619 DEPENDS ALWAYS ON THE NATURE

01:31 - 48.450 AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF

01:31 - 50.229 THE CASE. THE STATEMENT AS A

01:31 - 52.579 WHOLE WHAT IS BEING ACCUSED BY

01:31 - 54.529 THE BY THE CONFESSOR ARE THEY

01:31 - 55.859 POINTING THE FINGER AT SOMEBODY

01:31 - 57.679 ELSE THAT'S THAT GOES BACK TO

01:31 - 59.479 THE VERY BASIC CONCEPT OF

01:31 - 01.519 BREWTON WHY DO WE HAVE HAVE

01:32 - 03.679 THE RULE WE HAVE THE RULE

01:32 - 05.899 BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE

01:32 - 08.020 DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN ASK A JURY

01:32 - 10.159 WHEN CAN FOR THE PERSON

01:32 - 11.719 STATEMENT A PERSON'S CONFESSION

01:32 - 13.479 IS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD AND

01:32 - 15.989 IT POINTS THE FINGER AT

01:32 - 17.959 ANOTHER PERSON TO ASK THE JURY

01:32 - 19.970 TO ONE CREDIT. THE STATEMENT

01:32 - 22.229 AGAINST THE CONFESSOR BUT THEN

01:32 - 23.760 FUNDAMENTALLY IGNORE

01:32 - 25.169 THE RELIABILITY OF CREDIBILITY

01:32 - 26.709 THAT STATEMENT WHEN IT ACCUSES

01:32 - 29.079 SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THAT IMPROVE

01:32 - 30.140 AND SAID WE CAN'T

01:32 - 32.499 TRUST THE LEGAL FICTION THAT

01:32 - 34.150 JURIES ARE ABLE TO DO BOTH

01:32 - 35.499 ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT STATEMENT

01:32 - 37.309 IS HOW ARE FULLY INCRIMINATING

01:32 - 38.489 AS THE WORDS OF BREWTON AND

01:32 - 39.799 REPEATED AND RICHARD STINGRAY

01:32 - 40.800 HAVE STOOD.

01:32 - 43.099 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE

01:32 - 44.100 YEAR HONORS.

01:32 - 57.629 MAY PLEASE THE COURT MY NAME

01:32 - 59.079 SHAWN BALDWIN REPRESENTING THE

01:32 - 59.690 COMMONWEALTH IS

01:32 - 00.690 A FELONY.

01:33 - 02.649 I'M EXCITED TO ARGUE BEFORE

01:33 - 04.149 THIS COURT FOR THE FIRST TIME

01:33 - 05.729 AND TYPICALLY IN THE SPECIAL

01:33 - 07.869 LOCATION. AT THE

01:33 - 08.880 RISK OF.

01:33 - 10.710 NOT SAYING THE SAME THING.

01:33 - 13.179 THE LAST 2 FOLKS THAT I WILL

01:33 - 14.929 SAY THAT I'M BREAKING MY

01:33 - 16.470 ARGUMENT DOWN IN THE 2 POINTS.

01:33 - 18.259 FIRST THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT

01:33 - 20.029 TRAVERS TO THE EXTENT IT

01:33 - 21.590 CREATES A BRIGHT LINE RULE.

01:33 - 23.649 IT SHOULD BE OVERRULED AND

01:33 - 25.319 SECOND. I WOULD ARGUE THAT

01:33 - 26.809 THERE WAS IN FACT HARMLESS

01:33 - 28.319 ERROR IN THIS CASE BEYOND A

01:33 - 29.320 REASONABLE DOUBT.

01:33 - 31.849 YOU ALREADY HEARD AS A SAID

01:33 - 34.019 ESPECIALLY FROM THE DEFENSE BAR

01:33 - 35.819 ABOUT HOW IN THIS

01:33 - 37.569 CASE THE REDACTION WAS AN

01:33 - 39.219 ARTFULLY DONE AND IT WAS

01:33 - 42.669 INSUFFICIENT TO WE DEFENDANT

01:33 - 44.209 6TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND YOU'LL

01:33 - 45.269 HEAR FROM THE COMMONWEALTH WE

01:33 - 47.619 WOULD AGREE. IN THIS CASE, I'M

01:33 - 50.579 NOT SAYING THAT REDACTION IS

01:33 - 53.019 NEVER APPROPRIATE BUT WHAT I

01:33 - 54.639 WOULD URGE THE COURT TO DO IS

01:33 - 57.339 TO YOU KNOW CLARIFY TRAVERS IN

01:33 - 58.730 MAKING A CASE BY CASE

01:33 - 01.869 ANALYSIS ON YOU KNOW ALLOW THE

01:34 - 03.569 TRIAL COURT ON EACH STATEMENT

01:34 - 04.579 TO MAKE A CASE BY CASE

01:34 - 06.209 ANALYSIS. RATHER THAN THE

01:34 - 08.459 CURRENT TREND WHICH IS TO SAY

01:34 - 08.940 HEY WAS

01:34 - 11.589 THEIR REACTION WAS THERE A

01:34 - 13.590 LIMIT A JURY INSTRUCTION IF SO

01:34 - 14.960 IT WAS NEVER VIOLENT.

01:34 - 16.529 I THINK THAT THAT'S WRONG OR

01:34 - 17.739 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLARIFY

01:34 - 19.229 TRAVERS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT

01:34 - 20.610 WANTED TO TELL US WHY THIS IS.

01:34 - 23.319 HARMLESS AIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT

01:34 - 24.589 THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NOT WAS

01:34 - 25.590 PRETTY PERSUASIVE.

01:34 - 28.019 SURE THE THE REASON THIS IS OUR

01:34 - 29.959 LIST THERE IS BECAUSE AND I'LL

01:34 - 31.899 GIVE YOU THIS COURTS DEFINITION

01:34 - 33.279 OF HARMLESS ERROR AND FROM

01:34 - 35.139 LOCAL MERCK MEN WHERE IS THAT

01:34 - 36.140 THE ERROR.

01:34 - 38.089 AN AIR WE DEEM HARMLESS AT THE

01:34 - 39.139 AREA DID NOT PRESIDENT'S

01:34 - 40.519 DEFENDANT OR THE PRESIDENT'S

01:34 - 41.520 WAS THE MINIMUM US

01:34 - 43.739 OR THEIR ROLE IS LIMITED

01:34 - 45.259 EVIDENCE WAS MERELY COMMUTE TO

01:34 - 45.980 THE VOTER AND SAY

01:34 - 47.169 THAT EVIDENCE WHICH WAS

01:34 - 48.599 SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE

01:34 - 49.100 ERRONEOUS

01:34 - 51.099 LIMITED EVIDENCE OR THE

01:34 - 52.629 PROPERLY ADMITTED EVIDENCE AND

01:34 - 54.040 CONTROVERSY EVIDENCE OF GUILT

01:34 - 55.330 WAS SO OVERWHELMING

01:34 - 57.289 AND THE PREJUDICIAL EFFECT WAS

01:34 - 59.220 SO SIGNIFICANT BY COMPARISON

01:34 - 00.809 THAT FEAR COULD NOT CONTRIBUTE

01:35 - 02.159 TO THE VERDICT AND I WOULD SAY

01:35 - 04.839 ALL 3 APPLY HERE. ANY AIR WAS

01:35 - 05.140 THEM IN

01:35 - 07.339 A MISS BECAUSE ANYTHING IN

01:35 - 08.969 COVID STORY FROM THE STATEMENTS

01:35 - 11.349 OR MIGHT OFFEND WAS PROVED WITH

01:35 - 13.389 OTHER EVIDENCE YOU HAVE NOT

01:35 - 15.209 ONLY THE VICTIMS IN COURT

01:35 - 16.449 IDENTIFICATION, YOU KNOW THE

01:35 - 17.020 VICTIMS,

01:35 - 19.110 PHOTOGRAPHIC IDENTIFICATION.

01:35 - 21.829 WE IDENTIFIED THE TIME STAMP

01:35 - 23.769 SET THE PHOTO THAT SHOWS TIME

01:35 - 25.659 AND LOCATION WHICH CORROBORATE

01:35 - 27.349 THE STORY OF WHERE WE THINK

01:35 - 28.350 THESE FOLKS UP

01:35 - 29.749 YOU KNOW THE DEFENDANT'S DNA

01:35 - 30.909 INSIDE THE FRONT PASSENGER

01:35 - 33.669 DOOR HANDLE RIGHT WHERE RIGHT

01:35 - 35.190 WITH THE VICTIM SAID HE WAS.

01:35 - 37.559 AND THEN YOU KNOW THE MEDICAL

01:35 - 39.780 RECORDS THAT ALSO SEEN TOO.

01:35 - 43.669 SAY THE SAME THING AS THE

01:35 - 44.819 VICTIM STATEMENT AND THAT HE

01:35 - 44.960 HAD

01:35 - 47.099 A LACERATION TO HIS FRONT NOSE

01:35 - 49.929 TO HIS EAR THOSE LACERATIONS

01:35 - 52.199 WERE CAUSED BY A BULLET IS

01:35 - 53.779 OPPOSED THAT HITTING HIS HEAD

01:35 - 54.780 ON THE STEERING WHEEL.

01:35 - 56.999 THAT'S NOT IN MEDICAL RECORDS

01:35 - 58.390 ARE EVER I THINK

01:35 - 59.889 IT'S A REASONABLE

01:35 - 01.139 CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WILL

01:36 - 02.929 DEPART WHEN COMBINED WITH THE

01:36 - 04.479 DIRECT EVIDENCE OF THE VICTIM'S

01:36 - 05.960 TESTIMONY THAT I THINK

01:36 - 08.439 RELATIVELY PERSUASIVE ACCOUNT

01:36 - 09.469 IN LIGHT OF ALL THE EVENTS

01:36 - 10.070 COUNSELED THAT

01:36 - 12.219 THIS COURT. GRANT ALA CONDOR ON

01:36 - 13.529 THE HARMLESS OR QUESTION ARE

01:36 - 14.530 JUST ON THE BRITISH.

01:36 - 17.510 ALI

01:36 - 19.609 CARTER ON THE BROOM ISSUE,

01:36 - 21.989 HOWEVER I DO THINK WHAT IS PART

01:36 - 23.109 OF THE OTHER I THINK THE BURDEN

01:36 - 25.119 ISSUE THE BRUCE S IT'S KIND OF

01:36 - 27.139 A TWO-PART TEST FIRST HAS BEEN

01:36 - 28.460 A VIOLATION OCCUR.

01:36 - 30.349 SECOND IS IF IT OCCURRED WAS

01:36 - 31.530 THE RARE HARMLESS.

01:36 - 34.659 SO I WOULD SAY THAT YOU CAN'T

01:36 - 36.119 REALLY HAVE ONE WITH THE OTHER

01:36 - 36.330 THAT

01:36 - 38.199 THE REASON TO YOUR EARLIER

01:36 - 40.189 QUESTION WHY THE SPIRIT COURT

01:36 - 42.009 MAY NOT WE HAVE SPOKEN

01:36 - 43.450 SPECIFICALLY TO HARM US THERE.

01:36 - 44.110 IT'S BECAUSE

01:36 - 45.389 THEY'RE ALREADY FOUND PART ONE

01:36 - 46.709 OF THE TEST TO BE A NO NO

01:36 - 47.310 VIOLATION.

01:36 - 50.469 WE ASK AND AGAIN WE GET LOTS

01:36 - 52.279 OF CASES READY DOES THE RECORD

01:36 - 53.290 REFLECT HERE.

01:36 - 55.279 THE NUMBER OF BULLETS THAT WERE

01:36 - 56.849 FOUND WITHIN THE CAR OR

01:36 - 58.199 ADJACENT TO WHERE THE INCIDENT

01:36 - 59.699 OCCURRED AND IT DOESN'T AND THE

01:36 - 00.700 RECORD

01:37 - 03.189 THE RECORD DIDN'T FIND THERE

01:37 - 04.190 WERE NO BULLETS FOUND

01:37 - 06.979 THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME DOUBT

01:37 - 07.530 YOU KNOW

01:37 - 09.569 BECAUSE OF HOW IT HAPPENED, BUT

01:37 - 10.609 IT VERY WELL COULD HAVE BEEN

01:37 - 11.540 THAT THE WIND WAS OVER THE

01:37 - 13.049 BULLETS FLY OUT WE'RE TALKING

01:37 - 14.929 ABOUT A PASSENGER'S SEAT TO THE

01:37 - 17.009 DRIVER'S SEAT, ALTHOUGH THE

01:37 - 18.229 VICTIM TESTIFIED HE MIGHT

01:37 - 20.089 HAVE BELIEVED. BUT THE WINDOW

01:37 - 22.470 WAS WAS UP BECAUSE IT WAS COLD.

01:37 - 24.119 THAT'S STILL NOT CERTAIN ON THE

01:37 - 26.039 RECORD BUT AND WHAT DOES IT

01:37 - 28.859 DO TO HARMLESS ERROR THAT THE

01:37 - 30.900 VICTIMS. BLOOD

01:37 - 32.929 CAME BACK FOR THE HOSPITAL

01:37 - 33.560 SHOWING UNDER

01:37 - 35.159 THE INFLUENCE. WELL THE THING

01:37 - 36.449 ABOUT THAT YOUR HONOR AND IT

01:37 - 37.529 WASN'T REALLY BROUGHT OUT VERY

01:37 - 39.130 MUCH IN THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPT

01:37 - 41.280 BUT THERE'S NO YOU KNOW THAT'S

01:37 - 42.559 THAT'S ONLY SOMETHING THAT WAS

01:37 - 44.479 BROUGHT OUT DIRECTLY FROM THE

01:37 - 45.839 MEDICAL RECORDS ITSELF. NO ONE

01:37 - 46.899 TESTIFIED TO THE MEDICAL

01:37 - 48.439 RECORDS. HOWEVER, A THERMAL

01:37 - 49.879 THOROUGH LOOK AT THOSE MEDICAL

01:37 - 51.239 RECORDS. WE'LL ALSO SHOW THAT

01:37 - 53.469 THE HOSPITAL ITSELF ISSUED

01:37 - 55.319 THE VICTIM ACTUALLY CODE ON

01:37 - 57.159 WHICH IS AN OPIATE AND THEY CAN

01:37 - 58.579 SELL THEIR FROM YOU KNOW THERE

01:37 - 00.599 THERE'S NO THAT THOSE OPIOIDS

01:38 - 02.279 WERE IN THE SYSTEM FROM BEFORE

01:38 - 04.099 NOT THE THE VICTIM TESTIFIED HE

01:38 - 05.100 WAS EVEN DRINK.

01:38 - 07.919 YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT

01:38 - 09.169 A FOR LEAVE US A PERSON THAT

01:38 - 10.299 DOESN'T DRINK MIGHT NOT ALSO

01:38 - 11.020 ISSUED THEIR OWN.

01:38 - 12.359 WELL THERE WASN'T ANY

01:38 - 14.509 INDICATION THAT OR MAYBE THERE

01:38 - 15.759 WAS I DIDN'T SEE ANY

01:38 - 17.829 INDICATIONS DEGREE OF OPIATES

01:38 - 18.250 RENDERED

01:38 - 19.550 HIM INTOXICATED.

01:38 - 21.340 I DON'T THINK THAT CAME UP ON

01:38 - 22.639 THE RECORD YOU KNOW WHAT WITH

01:38 - 23.799 THE EXCEPTION OF THE FACT THAT

01:38 - 25.659 THE MEDICAL RECORDS WERE MOVED

01:38 - 27.519 INTO EVIDENCE BUT IT WASN'T

01:38 - 28.659 ACTUALLY EXPLORED DURING A

01:38 - 29.660 DIRECT ACROSS.

01:38 - 33.559 OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD ONLY

01:38 - 34.750 ARGUE FOR THAT.

01:38 - 37.679 THE REASON WE WOULD TAKE THE

01:38 - 39.599 STANCE IS BECAUSE WE ONLY KNOW

01:38 - 41.010 WE WANT TO PROTECT CONVICTIONS

01:38 - 43.599 AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT

01:38 - 45.549 WHEN THESE CASES GO UP PASSED

01:38 - 46.890 THE STATE COURTS OF APPEAL.

01:38 - 48.470 AND THEY GO TO FEDERAL ABS.

01:38 - 49.000 THEY GET

01:38 - 52.939 OVER TURNED. AND FOR EXAMPLE IN

01:38 - 53.999 THE CASE OF WATCHING THE

01:38 - 56.189 SECRETARY RECENTLY JOHNSON, THE

01:38 - 57.849 SECRETARY IN THE

01:38 - 00.279 3RD CIRCUIT. THE LOWER COURT A

01:39 - 01.829 STATE COURT RULED ON THE ON THE

01:39 - 03.519 BASES OF TRAVERS AND IT'S

01:39 - 05.069 WRITTEN THEIR OPINION. BUT HEY

01:39 - 05.940 THEY'RE WAS WORD ACTION THERE

01:39 - 07.179 WAS A LEARNING INSTRUCTION, NO

01:39 - 09.309 VIOLATION WHERE IS IT COMES UP

01:39 - 09.820 ON THE COURT

01:39 - 12.599 15 YEARS LATER AND THE COURT

01:39 - 13.909 SAYS WE'RE SENDING IT BACK TO

01:39 - 14.949 THE TRIAL. SO

01:39 - 17.589 EITHER RETRY OR OR RELEASE OF

01:39 - 18.639 THE PAN AND SO WE HAVE THAT WE

01:39 - 19.420 WANT TO KEEP

01:39 - 21.689 IGNORING IT WITH THE 3RD

01:39 - 23.309 CIRCUIT IS SAYING ABOUT TRAVERS

01:39 - 26.159 IN ITS SUPERIOR COURT PROGENY I

01:39 - 27.160 THINK WE KNOW YOU'RE ON.

01:39 - 29.889 IT SEEMS IT SEEMS THIS COURT'S

01:39 - 31.069 BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF

01:39 - 32.869 IGNORING. THAT

01:39 - 34.890 3RD CIRCUIT. AUTHORITY.

01:39 - 37.329 NOT THAT WE'RE BOUND BY BUT IT

01:39 - 38.270 IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING A

01:39 - 39.389 PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IGNORING

01:39 - 41.849 IT DOESN'T. I MEAN A GOOD JOB

01:39 - 43.479 AS ROADS AND THE ON IT FOR LIKE

01:39 - 44.510 MY SIGHT.

01:39 - 45.870 THAT'S A TRICK QUESTION.

01:39 - 48.749 WHAT HAS THE GOVERNMENT WILL

01:39 - 50.180 YOU KNOW I CAN SAY WE'VE GOT

01:39 - 51.889 CASES IN OUR FEDERAL A VISIT

01:39 - 53.619 RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PROBABLY YOU

01:39 - 53.820 KNOW

01:39 - 57.009 CASES THAT MIGHT ANOTHER

01:39 - 58.179 ARGUMENT ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT TO

01:39 - 59.459 GET OVERTURNED IN FEDERAL AID

01:39 - 59.570 IS

01:39 - 02.109 RIGHT NOW. SO WE TALK ABOUT YOU

01:40 - 04.030 KNOW THE IDEA OF SEVERANCE

01:40 - 06.100 A STRAIN ON

01:40 - 08.129 JUDICIAL ECONOMY. JUDICIAL

01:40 - 09.750 ECONOMY IS FURTHER STRAIN

01:40 - 11.239 WHEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT 10 TO 15

01:40 - 12.419 YEARS TO THESE WITNESSES ARE

01:40 - 14.409 BACK AVAILABLE AGAIN. THANK YOU

01:40 - 15.410 VERY MUCH. THANK

01:40 - 20.030 SEPARATE ONS CORRECTLY.

01:40 - 40.290 WARNING YEAR

01:40 - 42.359 HONORS ADRIAN JACKIE HEAR FROM

01:40 - 43.419 THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY DISTRICT

01:40 - 44.769 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ARGUING ON

01:40 - 46.009 BEHALF OF THE PENNSYLVANIA

01:40 - 47.629 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION

01:40 - 48.630 HAS M S.

01:40 - 51.469 YOUR HONORS THE RULES OUGHT TO

01:40 - 52.639 BE ADVANCED TODAY BY

01:40 - 54.539 THE DEFENDANT. HE'S AM A KISS

01:40 - 55.739 AND THE PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT

01:40 - 56.879 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT THE

01:40 - 58.099 EVIDENCE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED

01:40 - 59.459 AS A WHOLE WHEN DETERMINING

01:40 - 00.350 WHETHER OR NOT A PROVEN

01:41 - 02.799 VIOLATION OCCURRED IS SUCH A

01:41 - 04.509 BROAD AND UNWORKABLE

01:41 - 05.969 INTERPRETATION OF THE UNITED

01:41 - 07.639 STATES SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT

01:41 - 09.729 THAT BEING BRUTON RICHARDSON

01:41 - 11.309 AND GRAY, AND IT'S NOT

01:41 - 13.260 SUPPORTED BY ANY PRECEDENT

01:41 - 14.869 THAT WILL MAKE VIRTUALLY ALL

01:41 - 16.549 READ ACTIONS EVEN THE MOST

01:41 - 18.700 NEUTRAL REDACTIONS INADMISSIBLE

01:41 - 20.649 AND THIS STORY COUNCIL BUT IT'S

01:41 - 22.899 ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE ISN'T IT

01:41 - 24.150 ISN'T IT YOUR POSITION.

01:41 - 25.290 THAT WE OUGHT

01:41 - 28.629 TO VALIDATE HE'S A SUPERIOR

01:41 - 30.409 COURT CASES WHICH INTERPRET

01:41 - 32.689 TRAVERS TO SAY BASICALLY AS

01:41 - 33.410 LONG AS YOU'VE GOT THE

01:41 - 35.399 INSTRUCTION AND THE NEUTRAL

01:41 - 37.170 PRONOUN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

01:41 - 39.929 WAS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH IT

01:41 - 41.489 THAT WE BOXED OURSELVES INTO

01:41 - 41.690 THROUGH

01:41 - 43.929 OUR CASES WE RESPECTFULLY NO

01:41 - 45.649 YOUR HONOR I'M TALKING ABOUT

01:41 - 47.299 THE POSITION NOW THAT THAT THE

01:41 - 48.699 MY POSTING COUNCILS ARE TRYING

01:41 - 49.340 TO ADVANCE.

01:41 - 50.500 AND THAT IS

01:41 - 52.259 LOOKING AT THE RECORD AS A

01:41 - 54.779 WHOLE INCLUDING ALL EVIDENCE OF

01:41 - 56.759 GUILT WHEN DETERMINING WHETHER

01:41 - 58.269 OR NOT THERE WAS A BRUTE

01:41 - 59.110 VIOLATION IN

01:41 - 01.039 THE CASE AND RICHARDSON VERSUS

01:42 - 03.139 MARS EXPRESS LEE SAYS IN NO

01:42 - 04.859 UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT CAN

01:42 - 06.929 TEXTUAL IMPLICATION SHOULD BE

01:42 - 09.019 REJECTED YOU LOOK AT THE FACE

01:42 - 10.689 OF THE STATEMENT ITSELF AND

01:42 - 11.999 WHETHER PERHAPS THERE'S ANY

01:42 - 14.149 OTHER KNOCK US EVIDENCE AT

01:42 - 15.579 TRIAL THAT COULD LINK THE

01:42 - 17.539 DEFENDANT TO THE STATEMENT BUT

01:42 - 19.750 NOT ANY OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT

01:42 - 22.159 AND THE POSITION IN ADVANCE BY

01:42 - 23.710 OPPOSING COUNSEL IN THIS CASE,

01:42 - 25.649 WHAT ESSENTIALLY I MEAN THAT WE

01:42 - 27.509 HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE SEPARATE

01:42 - 28.819 TRIALS FOR JOINT DEFENDANTS

01:42 - 29.150 WHEN THERE'S A

01:42 - 31.489 CO DEFENDANT OR WE RUN THE RISK

01:42 - 32.959 OF THE COMMONWEALTH NEVER BE

01:42 - 33.520 ABLE TO

01:42 - 35.529 USE A STATEMENT OF A CO

01:42 - 36.699 DEFENDANT CAMPS LIKE IT'S THE

01:42 - 37.890 QUESTION THOUGH IS IS.

01:42 - 39.050 PUTTING ASIDE THE

01:42 - 40.730 SUBSTITUTION OF PRONOUNS

01:42 - 42.549 YOU'RE ASKING US TO SORT OF

01:42 - 44.079 IGNORE EVERY OTHER VIRTUALLY

01:42 - 46.730 EVERY OTHER. IDENTIFYING.

01:42 - 49.229 THAT MAY BE IN THE STATEMENT OR

01:42 - 50.849 THE CONFESSION, WHATEVER

01:42 - 53.179 HAPPENS TO BE THAT THAT COULD

01:42 - 55.150 GET TO THAT THAT IS NOT A NAME

01:42 - 56.310 FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW

01:42 - 59.139 MY FRIEND SITTING NEXT TO

01:42 - 01.459 ME THAT DAY WHO HAD A 4 DOOR ON

01:43 - 03.659 AN ASCOT AND THEN SOMEONE COMES

01:43 - 05.939 IN. AFTERWARDS AND SAID YEAH I

01:43 - 07.569 SAW THAT PERSON AT THE SCENE OF

01:43 - 08.989 THE CRIME HE WAS WEARING A

01:43 - 11.899 FEDORA AND AN ASCOT ISN'T ARE

01:43 - 13.130 YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S FINE.

01:43 - 14.899 NO YOUR HONOR I'M NOT I'M

01:43 - 16.959 SAYING THE LANGUAGE MY FRIEND

01:43 - 18.779 IS FINE BECAUSE THAT'S CLEARLY

01:43 - 20.119 A NEUTRAL WORD ACTION WE'VE

01:43 - 21.779 BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT MY

01:43 - 24.050 FRIEND WHO WORKED WITH ME AT.

01:43 - 27.139 JACK'S FIREHOUSE AND I'M I'M

01:43 - 28.299 I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE JACKS

01:43 - 28.810 FIREHOUSE

01:43 - 30.819 REVEREND A REFERENCE BECAUSE

01:43 - 31.750 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT

01:43 - 33.599 RELEVANCE OR IMPORTANT WAS IT

01:43 - 35.090 TO THE COMMONWEALTH'S CASE

01:43 - 37.039 FOR PURPOSES OF KEEPING THAT

01:43 - 38.159 IDENTIFYING PIECE OF

01:43 - 40.849 INFORMATION THE STATEMENT AND

01:43 - 42.450 AND ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM

01:43 - 44.180 ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM THAT

01:43 - 46.060 THAT IS THE OTHER

01:43 - 48.419 E SUBSTITUTE THE NAME WITH THE

01:43 - 49.849 PRONOUN THAT'S FINE BUT IF

01:43 - 51.409 THERE'S OTHER IDENTIFYING

01:43 - 53.189 INFORMATION IN THE STATEMENT

01:43 - 55.639 THAT IMPLICATES A CO-DEFENDANT

01:43 - 56.250 ISN'T THAT THE

01:43 - 58.559 BRUTON PROBLEM THAT POTENTIALLY

01:43 - 00.119 IS A PROVEN PROBLEM AND SO LET

01:44 - 01.779 ME GET TO THE MORE NARROW ISSUE

01:44 - 03.289 IN THIS CASE BUT BEFORE I DO I

01:44 - 04.509 WANT TO SAY THE REASON WHY THE

01:44 - 05.879 PDA BECAME INVOLVED IN THIS

01:44 - 06.200 CASE.

01:44 - 07.669 IS FOR THE MORE BROAD

01:44 - 09.439 INTERPRETATION HERE. THE

01:44 - 10.479 POTENTIAL FAR-REACHING

01:44 - 11.420 RAMIFICATIONS.

01:44 - 13.219 THIS CASE COULD HAVE ON OTHER

01:44 - 15.059 CASES IF IN FACT THIS COURT

01:44 - 16.209 ADOPTS THE CONTEXTUAL

01:44 - 18.520 IMPLICATION APPROACH SOUGHT

01:44 - 20.059 I MY COLLEAGUES HERE AN

01:44 - 20.830 APPROACH THAT HAS BEEN

01:44 - 22.439 EXPRESSLY REJECTED BY THE

01:44 - 23.899 UNITED STATES. I THINK I THINK

01:44 - 25.149 YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE THIS CITY

01:44 - 26.459 OF PHILADELPHIA'S CONCEIVING

01:44 - 27.460 BRITAIN VIOLENCE.

01:44 - 29.849 WHY NOT NOT NO YOUR HONOR

01:44 - 31.019 THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE THAT'S

01:44 - 32.299 NOT REAL ISSUE, SO I DON'T GET

01:44 - 33.839 INTO THAT OFFICE IS CONCEDING

01:44 - 34.939 APPROVED BY THAT'S WHY ARE

01:44 - 36.039 ARGUING THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE

01:44 - 37.040 ARGUING.

01:44 - 38.659 WELL, I'M HERE TO ARGUE AGAINST

01:44 - 40.409 A BROAD EXPANSION OF PROVING

01:44 - 41.599 I'M GOOD I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT

01:44 - 43.029 NOW WHAT MY POSITION IS ON THE

01:44 - 44.429 MORE NARROW ISSUE REGARDING

01:44 - 45.480 BRUTON IN THIS CASE.

01:44 - 49.039 WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN

01:44 - 50.219 THAT OUR POSITION IS THAT THERE

01:44 - 51.220 WAS AN ERROR HERE IT WAS A

01:44 - 52.469 HARMLESS ERROR AND THEN WE

01:44 - 53.899 CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT THE

01:44 - 55.219 FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION BEFORE

01:44 - 56.989 THIS COURT WHETHER OR NOT WE

01:44 - 58.149 SHOULD ENDORSE THIS BROAD

01:44 - 59.580 INTERPRETATION OF PROVEN.

01:45 - 01.839 IS VIABLE AND WE CONTINUE TO

01:45 - 03.370 MAINTAIN THAT IS NOT

01:45 - 05.549 BUT ON BEHALF OF

01:45 - 08.199 THE PDA WE DO NOT NOW HAVE A

01:45 - 10.269 DEFINITIVE POSITION ON WHETHER

01:45 - 12.360 THERE WAS AN ALLEGED BRUTON AIR

01:45 - 13.560 IN THIS CASE

01:45 - 15.629 BEYOND RECOGNIZING THE

01:45 - 16.869 DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE

01:45 - 18.740 REDACTION WITH NEAR MY FRIEND

01:45 - 19.939 WHICH WE HAVE WHICH I WOULD

01:45 - 21.469 SUBMIT NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT

01:45 - 23.280 THAT WAS IN FACT CORRECT.

01:45 - 25.019 BUT COUPLING THAT WITH THE

01:45 - 26.889 ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WHO I

01:45 - 28.439 WORKED AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE WITH

01:45 - 29.719 OR MY CO-WORKER AT JACK'S

01:45 - 32.469 FIREHOUSE THAT LANGUAGE IS

01:45 - 34.009 MORE SPECIFIC AND THAT'S

01:45 - 35.769 MORE PROBLEMATIC AND THAT COULD

01:45 - 38.059 VERY WELL BE UPROOTED VIOLATION

01:45 - 39.189 THAT WOULD FALL RIGHT IN LINE

01:45 - 40.620 WITH RICHARDSON CORRECT

01:45 - 43.919 ANYTHING IS SHARING WITH THE

01:45 - 45.939 PERSON'S EXISTENCE. I BELIEVE

01:45 - 47.059 THE EXACT LANGUAGE FROM

01:45 - 48.130 RICHARDSON IS.

01:45 - 49.980 WE HOLD THAT THE

01:45 - 51.249 CONFRONTATION CLAUSE NOT

01:45 - 52.599 VIOLATED BY THE ADMISSION OF

01:45 - 54.210 THE CO-DEFENDANTS CONFESSION

01:45 - 55.920 WITH THE PROP NO THAT'S NOT.

01:45 - 58.659 WHEN THE CONFESSION IS REDACTED

01:45 - 59.929 TO ELIMINATE NOT ONLY THE

01:45 - 01.369 DEFENDANT'S NAME, BUT ANY

01:46 - 02.930 REFERENCE TO HIS OR HER

01:46 - 05.399 EXISTENCE. SO THE QUESTION

01:46 - 06.579 BECOMES IN THIS

01:46 - 09.339 PARTICULAR CASE. THE REFERENCES

01:46 - 11.140 TO THE PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT.

01:46 - 12.940 HOW WOULD WANT TO

01:46 - 14.979 HANDLE THAT WERE WHAT IS YOUR

01:46 - 16.439 RECOMMENDATION TO THIS COURT

01:46 - 18.069 HAS TO HANDLE THAT TRYING TO

01:46 - 18.640 COMPLY

01:46 - 21.149 WITH BRUTON YET UNDERSTANDING

01:46 - 22.899 THE RICHARDSON IMPLICATION

01:46 - 24.450 WHICH SEEMS TO BE BROADER.

01:46 - 26.909 NOW THE WAY I AGREE WITH YOU IS

01:46 - 28.149 THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITH

01:46 - 30.409 THE CONTACTS. ALL

01:46 - 32.009 THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED BUT THE

01:46 - 33.419 BREW LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE

01:46 - 34.170 STATEMENT ON

01:46 - 38.159 ITS FACE. OK, HOW IS IT NOT 1,

01:46 - 39.619 6, AMENDMENT ARE ALL ARTICLE

01:46 - 42.339 1, 9, IF IN FACT WE

01:46 - 45.050 ARE ALLOWING INFORMATION.

01:46 - 49.669 THAT TRULY PINPOINTS WHO THAT

01:46 - 52.150 PERSON IS AND HOW THEY EXIST

01:46 - 54.569 AKA RICHARDSON. WELL EVEN

01:46 - 55.689 MY QUESTION, YES, YOUR HONOR

01:46 - 56.849 THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE ACTUALLY

01:46 - 59.109 PINPOINTING WHO THAT PERSON IS

01:46 - 00.269 IS WITH THE COUPLING OF THE

01:47 - 00.850 LANGUAGE.

01:47 - 02.619 MY CO-WORKER AT JACK'S

01:47 - 04.159 FIREHOUSE AND THE WAY TO

01:47 - 05.629 PERHAPS GET AROUND THAT PERHAPS

01:47 - 06.440 THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN

01:47 - 08.020 THIS CASE IS TO JUST

01:47 - 09.429 TAKE OUT THAT LINE WHICH THE

01:47 - 10.489 PERSON I WORK TO JACK'S

01:47 - 11.899 FIREHOUSE WITH AND JUST KEEP MY

01:47 - 13.159 FRIEND IN THERE BECAUSE THAT

01:47 - 14.239 WOULD RETAIN THE NARRATIVE

01:47 - 15.769 INTEGRITY OF THE STATEMENT AND

01:47 - 17.119 THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

01:47 - 17.720 CASES AND

01:47 - 19.709 THIS COURT HOLD IF YOU HAVE A

01:47 - 21.529 NEUTRAL READ ACTION AS LONG AS

01:47 - 22.490 YOU'RE EATING AND IF YOU READ

01:47 - 23.759 ACTING THINGS AS LONG AS YOU'RE

01:47 - 25.139 RETAINING THE NARRATIVE

01:47 - 26.679 INTEGRITY OF THE STATEMENT AND

01:47 - 27.999 THAT SHOULD PASS MUSTER UNDER

01:47 - 29.009 THE 6TH AMENDMENT THAT WOULD

01:47 - 30.999 HAVE BEEN BUT I THINK IN OUR

01:47 - 34.749 QUEST TO PROTECT. THE 6TH

01:47 - 36.130 AMENDMENT ARE WE NOT

01:47 - 39.259 MANIPULATING EVIDENCE AND ITS

01:47 - 41.739 INTRODUCTION WHICH MISLEAD

01:47 - 43.819 THE JURY EVEN THOUGH IT MAY

01:47 - 45.390 PROTECT SOMEONE'S

01:47 - 48.889 6TH AMENDMENT RIGHT. HOW TO AND

01:47 - 50.789 HAVE SILENCED SOMETIMES WE

01:47 - 52.130 WOULD BE MANIPULATING EVIDENCE

01:47 - 53.709 FOR INSTANCE IF WE WERE IF THE

01:47 - 55.019 DEFENDANT KEPT COMING BACK AND

01:47 - 56.259 SAY NO YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT

01:47 - 57.379 THIS YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT MY

01:47 - 58.739 FRIEND. WELL NO WE WOULDN'T

01:47 - 59.300 TAKE OUT MY

01:47 - 00.939 FRIEND BECAUSE THEIR NUMBER ONE

01:48 - 02.379 THERE GOES OUR IT'S OUR PART OF

01:48 - 04.399 OUR CONSPIRACY ARGUMENT THAT HE

01:48 - 05.519 COMMITTED A CRIME WITH

01:48 - 07.509 SOMEONE ELSE. SO YOU HAVE TO

01:48 - 08.809 LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE

01:48 - 10.109 BASIS. WHAT IN FACT CAN BE

01:48 - 11.459 TAKEN OUT OF THE STATEMENT IN

01:48 - 12.669 THE STATEMENT IT'S SIMPLE TO

01:48 - 13.670 JUST TAKE AND I THINK THERE WAS

01:48 - 15.099 JUST ONE REFERENCE OR MAYBE 2

01:48 - 15.670 REFERENCES TO

01:48 - 17.329 JACK'S FIREHOUSE IF THAT WOULD

01:48 - 18.739 HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT THAT WOULD

01:48 - 19.869 HAVE BEEN FINE BECAUSE MY

01:48 - 21.260 FRIEND IN AND OF ITSELF

01:48 - 22.749 COULD BE INNUMERABLE PEOPLE IN

01:48 - 24.609 FACT WAS MISS CHOPPY THAT THERE

01:48 - 25.290 WAS ALSO A

01:48 - 27.309 REFERENCE TO THEM BEING

01:48 - 28.959 CO-WORKERS AND FRIENDS AT

01:48 - 31.290 JACK'S FIREHOUSE BY THEIR BOSS.

01:48 - 33.439 IN SEPARATE TESTIMONY WHICH

01:48 - 34.060 CAME IN RIGHT

01:48 - 36.099 BEFORE THE THE STATEMENT CAME

01:48 - 38.429 IN RIGHT HERE ON I CAN ADD HIS

01:48 - 39.949 TESTIMONY AND I DON'T THINK

01:48 - 41.379 WHETHER IT CAME IN BEFORE THIS

01:48 - 42.610 I DON'T THINK THIS PERMANENT

01:48 - 44.809 PURPOSEFUL PLACEMENT REALLY

01:48 - 45.919 HAD ANY BEARING AND I KNOW

01:48 - 47.259 THERE'S SOME 3RD CIRCUIT CASES

01:48 - 48.549 AND PERHAPS A SUPREME COURT

01:48 - 50.439 CASE THAT SAYS EVEN IF THE

01:48 - 52.489 CONFESSION WAS THE FIRST THING

01:48 - 53.859 IN EVIDENCE AND YOU CAN TELL

01:48 - 54.170 THAT IT WAS

01:48 - 55.859 THAT PERSON. BUT I THINK THAT'S

01:48 - 57.339 JUST FORM OVER SUBSTANCE EVEN

01:48 - 58.930 IF THAT TESTIMONY FROM THE BOSS

01:48 - 00.599 OF JAX FIREPLACE WOULD HAVE

01:49 - 01.600 COME IN LATER

01:49 - 03.379 TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD

01:49 - 05.119 IDENTIFY THE DEFENDANT BASED ON

01:49 - 06.939 THE JACKS FIREHOUSE LANGUAGE

01:49 - 08.749 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT ACTUAL

01:49 - 10.630 IMPLICATION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT

01:49 - 12.029 TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER

01:49 - 13.370 EVIDENCE OF GUILT

01:49 - 14.430 AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANT

01:49 - 16.640 DISTINCTION FOR IN IMPLICATION

01:49 - 18.900 TO APPLY OR TO NOT APPLY

01:49 - 20.690 CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION MEANS

01:49 - 22.479 EVIDENCE OF GUILT AND THE

01:49 - 22.810 REASON

01:49 - 25.209 WHY THE IS NO NO IT'S THE

01:49 - 26.859 REASON WHY THE FRIEND LANGUAGE

01:49 - 28.769 IS CLEARLY OKAY NUMBER ONE

01:49 - 30.509 BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY NEUTRAL IT

01:49 - 31.779 COULD BE ONE OF ANY NUMBER OF

01:49 - 33.760 PEOPLE AND NUMBER 2.

01:49 - 35.189 ALTHOUGH WE LEARNED THE

01:49 - 36.729 DEFENDANT IS THE FRIEND BY THE

01:49 - 38.620 OWNER OF JACK'S FIREHOUSE

01:49 - 40.759 WITH THAT THAT DOESN'T

01:49 - 42.729 NECESSARILY MEAN THIS IS THE

01:49 - 43.829 PARTICULAR FRIEND, AN ISSUE

01:49 - 44.869 THERE COULD BE MANY FRIENDS,

01:49 - 46.269 IT'S NOT TILL THE END OF TRIAL

01:49 - 47.399 WHEN YOU LEARN ABOUT ALL THE

01:49 - 48.740 OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT.

01:49 - 50.699 THEN YOU SAY HEY WELL I THINK

01:49 - 51.810 THIS DEFENDANT THIS

01:49 - 53.509 DEFENDANT IS THE FRIEND AND

01:49 - 55.149 THAT'S CONTRACTUAL IMPLICATION

01:49 - 56.749 AND THAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY

01:49 - 58.180 RICHARDSON VERSUS MARCH.

01:49 - 00.070 I WANT TO MAKE SURE I

01:50 - 01.179 UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION

01:50 - 01.690 BECAUSE WE'RE GOING

01:50 - 04.039 TO BE IN OUR ULTIMATE OPINION

01:50 - 05.109 ON THIS CASE WE'RE GOING TO BE

01:50 - 07.000 FOCUSED ON OF COURSE.

01:50 - 09.729 THIS THIS DEFENDANT BUT WE'RE

01:50 - 11.169 ALSO GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THE

01:50 - 12.589 BROADER THE QUESTION OF

01:50 - 15.329 BRITAIN. YOUR SAYING IF I

01:50 - 15.960 UNDERSTAND YOU

01:50 - 19.769 CORRECTLY THAT A MAJORITY OF

01:50 - 21.589 THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS

01:50 - 24.709 ASSOCIATION COULD NOT REACH A

01:50 - 27.649 DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU

01:50 - 29.960 AGREE WITH THE PHILADELPHIA

01:50 - 32.029 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS POSITION

01:50 - 33.869 THAT THERE WAS NO FOR

01:50 - 36.009 VIOLATION HERE, I'M SORRY THAT

01:50 - 37.619 THERE WAS A BRUTE VIOLATION

01:50 - 38.620 HERE.

01:50 - 40.729 YES, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY WISE

01:50 - 41.690 DO I WANT TO MAKE SURE

01:50 - 43.899 UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS JUST MY

01:50 - 46.739 FRIEND LANGUAGE. I THINK WITH

01:50 - 48.359 THE ASSOCIATION AS A WHOLE WE

01:50 - 49.180 ARE CLEAR IN NO

01:50 - 51.299 UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THAT IS IN

01:50 - 53.769 FACT A PROPER REDACTION IT IS A

01:50 - 54.190 NEUTRAL

01:50 - 55.939 REDACTION NIGHT. IT'S EVEN MORE

01:50 - 57.719 AMORPHOUS AND THE OTHER GUY OR

01:50 - 58.789 SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND EVEN

01:50 - 00.109 PERHAPS THE OTHER GUY THE OTHER

01:51 - 01.979 PERSON, SOMEONE COULD POSSIBLY

01:51 - 02.730 THINK THAT THAT'S AN

01:51 - 03.730 ARTIFICIAL.

01:51 - 06.439 READ ACTION, BUT MY FRIEND

01:51 - 07.819 PEOPLE TALK IN GENERALITIES ALL

01:51 - 09.150 THE TIME SO THAT'S CLEARLY

01:51 - 11.079 NEUTRAL AND I WOULD SUBMIT

01:51 - 11.980 UNDER THE CASE LAW THE

01:51 - 13.769 SUPREME COURT WITH THE UNITED

01:51 - 15.529 STATES THIS AND THIS COURT THAT

01:51 - 16.620 IS SUFFICIENT.

01:51 - 19.089 IT'S ONLY WHEN THAT MY FRIEND

01:51 - 21.519 IS COUPLED WITH THE CO-WORKER

01:51 - 23.769 AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE THAT

01:51 - 25.590 BECOMES PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE

01:51 - 27.070 SEEMINGLY THAT

01:51 - 29.559 TO SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THE

01:51 - 31.559 DEFENDANT GOTCHA SO IF THIS

01:51 - 33.460 COURT WERE 2

01:51 - 35.409 WRITE AN OPINION AND FIND THAT

01:51 - 36.899 THERE WAS IN FACT A BRUTE IN

01:51 - 38.929 VIOLATION. I WOULD ASK THIS

01:51 - 40.419 COURT TO BE CAREFUL AND

01:51 - 42.999 DELINEATE EXACTLY WHY THERE WAS

01:51 - 44.959 A VIOLATION AND IN

01:51 - 48.469 DOING SO AFFIRM THAT THE MINE

01:51 - 48.790 FRIEND

01:51 - 51.929 LANGUAGE WAS INDEED SUFFICIENT

01:51 - 52.890 CAN YOU ENVISION NO

01:51 - 55.429 SCENARIO COUNCIL IN WHICH THE

01:51 - 56.979 KIND OF IN FOR HIS NOT JUST THE

01:51 - 58.349 FACT OF AN INFERENCE BUT THE

01:51 - 59.790 KIND OF AN INFERENCE.

01:52 - 02.099 THAT COULD BE DRAWN IN IN

01:52 - 03.380 SOME HYPOTHETICAL.

01:52 - 06.159 COULD MAKE THAT MY FRIEND

01:52 - 08.479 PROBLEMATIC. IN OTHER WORDS CAN

01:52 - 10.049 YOU JUST ARE YOU ARE YOU

01:52 - 11.849 ARTICULATING FOR US ARE

01:52 - 13.199 ADVOCATING FOR A BRIGHT LINE

01:52 - 15.109 RULE ABOUT MY FRIEND BEING

01:52 - 17.439 SUFFICIENTLY VANILLA IN ALL

01:52 - 18.949 CIRCUMSTANCES, I'M NOT DOING

01:52 - 20.379 THAT ALBRIGHT LAW ALL RULES

01:52 - 21.429 HAVE EXCEPTIONS AND TO THE

01:52 - 24.019 EXTENT. OPPONENTS HEARSAY

01:52 - 24.550 TRAVERS

01:52 - 26.289 ADVOCATES BLACK BRIGHT LINE

01:52 - 27.399 RULE IT DOESN'T END EVEN THE

01:52 - 28.420 3RD CIRCUIT SAYS.

01:52 - 32.019 SUPREME COURT TRAVERS ADVOCATES

01:52 - 34.179 AND NEAR. BRIGHT

01:52 - 35.459 LINE RULE BUT

01:52 - 37.539 ALL RULES HAVE EXCEPTIONS LIKE

01:52 - 38.639 THE GENERAL RULE THAT JURIES

01:52 - 39.560 ARE PRESUMED TO FOLLOW THE

01:52 - 40.629 COURT'S INSTRUCTION THERE'S

01:52 - 42.030 EXTREMELY LIMITED EXCEPTION.

01:52 - 43.240 WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY

01:52 - 45.479 BRUTON SO LET ME LET ME TRY TO

01:52 - 46.590 THINK OF AN EXAMPLE MY

01:52 - 48.850 THAT YOUR ONLY

01:52 - 53.339 THIS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON A

01:52 - 54.859 DEFENDANT IS ON FOR THE

01:52 - 56.009 DEFENDANT IS ON TRIAL

01:52 - 58.139 AND SOMEHOW EVERYONE IS AWARE

01:52 - 59.849 THAT HE'S A WRECK LOOSEN LIVE

01:52 - 01.950 SOMEWHERE. HE HAS

01:53 - 04.689 SOMEHOW IT'S KNOWN THAT HE HAS

01:53 - 07.239 A SINGLE FRONT. NOW BUT

01:53 - 09.079 THE UNABOMBER. SOMETHING

01:53 - 10.809 LIKE THAT. SO IN THAT SITUATION

01:53 - 11.979 AND THAT'S WHY THE RULE IN

01:53 - 13.319 TRAVERSE ISN'T A BRIGHT LINE

01:53 - 14.669 RULE THERE'S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS

01:53 - 16.059 BUT GENERALLY THE OTHER PERSON

01:53 - 17.229 THE OTHER GUY THE DUDE THE

01:53 - 19.069 FRIEND THAT'S GENERALLY

01:53 - 20.459 UNACCEPTABLE FRASER

01:53 - 23.399 PRONOUN OR WORD TO USE FOR YOU

01:53 - 24.659 THAT I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK

01:53 - 24.780 TO

01:53 - 25.140 WIN IT.

01:53 - 26.909 OPENING STATEMENTS AND SEE IF

01:53 - 27.540 I UNDERSTOOD

01:53 - 30.069 YOU START. I THINK YOU SAID

01:53 - 32.079 THAT ANY VALUE WAITING AND

01:53 - 34.380 REVIVE A SHIFT FROM A STATEMENT

01:53 - 37.249 WE INJECTED TO LOOKING AT ALL

01:53 - 39.199 THE EVIDENCE YET THAT WERE

01:53 - 41.330 PRESENT WAS PRESENTED AT TRIAL

01:53 - 43.249 TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE

01:53 - 44.160 STATEMENT

01:53 - 47.739 WAS OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE DAWN

01:53 - 49.449 TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANTS IS

01:53 - 49.930 THAT RIGHT

01:53 - 52.209 OR WRONG. THAT'S YOUR HONOR.

01:53 - 53.779 RICHARDSON VERSUS MARCH

01:53 - 55.480 EXPRESSLY SAYS.

01:53 - 57.249 THAT THERE CAN BE NO PROOF

01:53 - 59.429 VIOLATION BASED ON CAN TEXTUAL

01:53 - 01.169 IMPLICATION AND CONTEXTUAL

01:54 - 02.879 IMPLICATION IS OTHER EVIDENCE

01:54 - 05.039 OF GUILT BUT WHY DON'T THE

01:54 - 07.289 ONLY REASON YOU HAVE CONCEDED

01:54 - 08.770 ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS HERE

01:54 - 11.379 THAT WE'RE FRIENDS IN JACK'S

01:54 - 12.629 FIREHOUSE IS

01:54 - 14.619 SO PREJUDICIAL IS THAT WE HAVE

01:54 - 15.909 OTHER TESTIMONY FROM OTHER

01:54 - 17.569 PEOPLE THAT THEY BOTH WORKED

01:54 - 19.339 JACK'S FIREHOUSE THEY WERE

01:54 - 20.519 THERE THAT NIGHT THEY LEFT

01:54 - 21.869 TOGETHER THAT NIGHT SO ISN'T

01:54 - 23.089 THAT THE CONVENTIONAL IN

01:54 - 24.669 THAT CASE, THERE'S AN IMPORTANT

01:54 - 25.859 DISTINCTION THERE YOUR HONOR

01:54 - 27.529 BUT LIKE ME THE IMPORTANT

01:54 - 29.160 DISTINCTION IS THE

01:54 - 31.209 OWNER OF JACK'S FIREHOUSE

01:54 - 32.969 TESTIFIED GAVE KNOCK US

01:54 - 35.219 TESTIMONY THAT THESE GUYS WORK

01:54 - 37.820 WITH ME AT JACK'S FIREHOUSE AND

01:54 - 39.040 THAT WAS NOT

01:54 - 41.259 OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT THAT'S

01:54 - 43.309 JUST EVIDENCE OF WHERE THESE

01:54 - 45.239 PEOPLE WORKED IT'S ONLY WHEN

01:54 - 47.509 THERE'S EVIDENCE OF GUILT THAT

01:54 - 48.779 LINKS THE DEFENDANT TO THE

01:54 - 49.780 STATEMENT.

01:54 - 51.560 SO I EVEN

01:54 - 52.789 USE EIMERS YOUR HONOR I

01:54 - 54.449 APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU DIDN'T LIKE

01:54 - 56.149 ME TRY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I

01:54 - 57.150 UNDERSTAND THIS.

01:54 - 00.689 THEREFORE WHAT IS THE

01:55 - 02.629 IMPLICATION OF I THINK WAS MISS

01:55 - 04.629 TO HOUSTON THIS TESTIMONY THAT

01:55 - 06.209 THEY BOTH WORKED FOR JACK'S

01:55 - 08.289 FIREHOUSE WELL WE LOOK AT THAT

01:55 - 09.479 IN CONSIDERING WHETHER

01:55 - 11.659 THE STATEMENT. THE BRUINS

01:55 - 13.249 STATEMENT VIOLATES WOULDN'T DO

01:55 - 14.250 NOT LOOK AT THAT.

01:55 - 17.919 WELL THE REIT THE REIT I WOULD

01:55 - 19.059 SUBMIT NOT THAT I WAS A

01:55 - 20.369 PROSECUTOR IN THAT CASE, BUT I

01:55 - 21.629 WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE REASON

01:55 - 22.959 THE PROSECUTOR PUT THAT

01:55 - 24.879 EVIDENCE ON MISTER ESTABLISHED

01:55 - 25.650 THAT THEY WERE FRIENDS AND

01:55 - 26.340 THEIR PART

01:55 - 27.549 THERE FOR YOU'RE GOING TO

01:55 - 28.689 COMMIT A CRIME IF SOMEONE HAS A

01:55 - 29.799 CONSPIRATOR IT'S LIKELY GOING

01:55 - 30.780 TO BE A FRIEND OR SOMEONE YOU

01:55 - 31.690 KNOW SO THAT WAS PROBABLY TO

01:55 - 33.359 ESTABLISH CONSPIRACY. IT WASN'T

01:55 - 34.040 AN END I

01:55 - 35.829 WOULD HOPE AND THINK IT WASN'T

01:55 - 37.809 AN ATTEMPT TO LINK THEM TO THE

01:55 - 40.259 STATEMENT. BUT THE REASON WHY

01:55 - 41.919 SO MY FRIEND IN THERE YOU'RE

01:55 - 42.969 LOOKING AT THE STATEMENT, BUT

01:55 - 44.970 MY FRIEND IS A NEUTRAL PRONOUN

01:55 - 47.519 SO OUR NEUTRAL TERM SO YOU NEED

01:55 - 48.960 NOT GO ANY FURTHER

01:55 - 51.499 AND WAIT WAIT, BUT IF YOU DO

01:55 - 52.979 AND FIND OUT HOW HE'S LINK YOU

01:55 - 54.420 FIND OUT LATER ON AT THE END OF

01:55 - 56.559 HE'S THE FRIEND, BUT YOU ONLY

01:55 - 57.550 LEARNED THAT THROUGH OTHER

01:55 - 58.679 EVIDENCE OF THE DEFENDANT'S

01:55 - 00.749 GUILT. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE

01:56 - 02.899 JACKS FIREHOUSE THING YOU LEARN

01:56 - 04.950 THAT THAT'S A SPECIFIC.

01:56 - 07.909 I WANT TO SAY IT'S ANOTHER

01:56 - 09.009 MONIKER FOR THE DEFENDANTS

01:56 - 09.760 NAME, BUT IT'S IT'S

01:56 - 12.749 TOO SPECIFIC TO QUALIFY AS A

01:56 - 14.960 BROAD NEUTRAL REDACTION.

01:56 - 18.739 IT'S LINKED BASED JUST ON THAT

01:56 - 19.150 WHICH IS

01:56 - 20.400 I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S

01:56 - 21.360 EQUIVALENT TO FACIAL

01:56 - 22.749 INCRIMINATION BUT IT KIND OF IS

01:56 - 24.059 IN REGARDS TO JUSTICE WEX

01:56 - 25.559 QUESTION IT'S THE KIND OF

01:56 - 27.009 INFERENCE THAT THE GREAT COURT

01:56 - 28.110 TALKED ABOUT AND THAT'S IT.

01:56 - 30.129 ARGUABLY A POWERFUL IN FRANCE,

01:56 - 31.479 IF YOU'RE YOU'RE TALK, YOURS

01:56 - 33.329 DESCRIBING HIM, SO SPECIFICALLY

01:56 - 35.209 SO I WANTED TO TALK, BUT NO I'M

01:56 - 36.310 SORRY I

01:56 - 38.089 JUST FOLLOWING UP AND CHIEF

01:56 - 39.489 JUSTICE QUESTIONS SO IF YOUR

01:56 - 40.590 POSITION.

01:56 - 41.540 THE FACT

01:56 - 43.870 THAT THE REDACTED STATEMENT

01:56 - 47.290 PERMITTED THE JACKS FIREHOUSE

01:56 - 49.839 INFORMATION COUPLED WITH

01:56 - 52.619 THE OWNER TESTIMONY PRIOR

01:56 - 55.269 TO THAT THAT FALLS WITHIN THE

01:56 - 57.319 RICHARDSON BECAUSE IT'S CAN

01:56 - 59.620 TECH SHIRLEY. IMPLICATING.

01:57 - 02.729 ARE YOU STORE THE NOW NO NO I

01:57 - 04.240 DON'T I DON'T THAT DOESN'T

01:57 - 06.069 FALL WITHIN RICHARDSON BECAUSE

01:57 - 07.329 RICHARD SINCE CONTEXTUAL

01:57 - 09.079 IMPLICATION. KERRY SAYS YOU'RE

01:57 - 10.389 NOT ALLOWED TO USE OTHER

01:57 - 12.189 EVIDENCE OF GUILT AND PERHAPS

01:57 - 13.599 IF I SITES LANGUAGE FROM

01:57 - 15.019 TRAVERSE IT WILL MAKE IT CLEAR

01:57 - 16.020 IN TRAVERSE.

01:57 - 17.839 WHEN THE COURT WAS DISCUSSING

01:57 - 19.150 CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION.

01:57 - 21.259 IT STATED THAT THE REDACTED

01:57 - 22.649 STATEMENT LIKE THE ONE IN

01:57 - 24.490 RICHARDSON BECAME INCRIMINATING

01:57 - 26.549 ONLY AND I QUOTE THROUGH

01:57 - 28.459 INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE INTRODUCED

01:57 - 29.200 AT TRIAL

01:57 - 30.869 WHICH ESTABLISHED THE

01:57 - 33.589 DEFENDANTS COMPLICITY. SO IT'S

01:57 - 35.129 ONLY WHEN THERE'S INDEPENDENT

01:57 - 36.839 EVIDENCE INTRODUCED AT TRIAL

01:57 - 39.089 THAT ESTABLISHES HIS COMPLICITY

01:57 - 40.199 IF THAT'S WHAT LINKS THE

01:57 - 42.059 DEFENDANT AND THAT'S NOT A

01:57 - 44.029 BRUTAL VIOLATION. BECAUSE

01:57 - 45.560 THAT'S JUST THE ACTUAL CONTENT.

01:57 - 47.189 YES THAT'S THE CONTEXTUAL

01:57 - 49.150 IMPLICATION FERRY AND

01:57 - 50.839 I GUESS IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE

01:57 - 52.269 MOST OF THE CASES THAT TALK

01:57 - 52.530 ABOUT

01:57 - 54.209 CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION AND

01:57 - 55.539 BEFORE I REALLY DELVED INTO

01:57 - 57.319 THIS AND I JUST RECENTLY LAST

01:57 - 58.509 WEEK SUBMITTED ANOTHER BRITON

01:57 - 59.979 FREE TO THIS COURT IN ANOTHER

01:57 - 01.560 CASE I LOOKED INTO IT FURTHER.

01:58 - 04.989 BUT THE CONTEXTUAL IMPLICATION

01:58 - 06.639 THEORY IN RICHARDSON VERSUS

01:58 - 09.039 MARSH SEEMINGLY WHEN YOU FIRST

01:58 - 10.090 READ IT IT SAYS

01:58 - 11.659 O WELL YOU CAN'T LOOK AT ANY

01:58 - 12.839 OTHER EVIDENCE IF THEY WANT YOU

01:58 - 14.199 TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE RECORD NO

01:58 - 16.039 THAT'S WRONG. WELL YOU CAN LOOK

01:58 - 17.209 AT OTHER EVIDENCE YOU JUST

01:58 - 18.899 CAN'T LOOK AT OTHER

01:58 - 20.779 EVIDENCE OF GUILT BECAUSE IF

01:58 - 22.569 YOU DID OF COURSE THERE'S GOING

01:58 - 23.709 TO BE OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT

01:58 - 25.139 FOR THE COMMONWEALTH HAS 2

01:58 - 26.350 DEPENDENTS, THEY'RE THERE

01:58 - 28.009 THEY'RE GOING TO TRIAL WITH ONE

01:58 - 28.380 OF THEM GIVES

01:58 - 30.039 A STATEMENT OF COURSE THERE'S

01:58 - 31.020 GOING TO BE TONS OF OTHER

01:58 - 32.219 EVIDENCE OF GUILT AGAINST THE

01:58 - 33.389 OTHER DEFENDANT BECAUSE WE KNOW

01:58 - 34.909 DARN WELL WE CAN'T USE THAT TO

01:58 - 36.749 CLEAR IT. CO-DEFENDANTS

01:58 - 38.579 TESTIMONY AGAINST OUR DEFENDANT

01:58 - 39.809 SO THERE'S GOING TO BE ABUNDANT

01:58 - 41.329 EVIDENCE SO TO COME IN HERE

01:58 - 43.669 AND SAY OH WELL, THIS DEFENDANT

01:58 - 44.759 IS LINKED TO THE STATEMENT

01:58 - 46.059 BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER EVIDENCE

01:58 - 47.479 THERE SO BY THAT OTHER EVIDENCE

01:58 - 48.470 YOU CAN TELL THAT HE'S MY

01:58 - 49.889 FRIEND. WELL, OF COURSE YOU'RE

01:58 - 51.439 GOING TO TELL THAT THAT BUT

01:58 - 52.970 THAT'S NOT WHAT BRUTON HOLD

01:58 - 54.309 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TO

01:58 - 56.389 REMEMBER HERE THAT AND I THINK

01:58 - 58.169 WHAT MY OPPOSING COUNSEL LOSE

01:58 - 00.129 SIGHT OF IS THAT BRUTON IS IN

01:59 - 01.599 LIMITED EXCEPTION TO THE

01:59 - 03.939 GENERAL RULE, THE GENERAL RULE

01:59 - 04.640 IS THAT

01:59 - 06.679 JURIES ARE PRESUMED TO FOLLOW

01:59 - 08.080 THE COURT'S INSTRUCTIONS

01:59 - 09.419 AND IT'S ONLY IN THE

01:59 - 11.239 RARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A

01:59 - 13.129 DEFENDANT IS DIRECTLY IN POWER

01:59 - 14.639 FULLY INCRIMINATED IN A

01:59 - 16.999 STATEMENT THEN WE CAN NO LONGER

01:59 - 18.620 PRESUME THAT

01:59 - 20.399 THAT PERSON. THE JURY IS

01:59 - 21.449 FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS AND WE

01:59 - 23.009 HAVE TO REMEMBER IN BREWTON THE

01:59 - 24.909 DEFENDANT WAS ACTUALLY NAMED

01:59 - 26.319 THE CO-DEPENDENT SAID ME AND

01:59 - 27.609 BRUTON ARE PERHAPS YOU PREFER

01:59 - 29.199 TO HIS FIRST NAME. SO THAT WAS

01:59 - 30.499 CLEARLY IDENTIFYING THE

01:59 - 31.420 DEFENDANT SO THAT WAS THE

01:59 - 33.139 CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THAT

01:59 - 35.169 CASE WAS INVOLVED HERE. I GET

01:59 - 36.759 IT THERE COULD VERY WELL BE

01:59 - 38.289 UPROOTED VIOLATION WITH THE MY

01:59 - 40.369 JAX FIREHOUSE LANGUAGE BUT THE

01:59 - 40.670 MY

01:59 - 43.319 FRIEND LANGUAGE IS COMPLETELY

01:59 - 45.389 INNOCUOUS IT'S NEUTRAL LANGUAGE

01:59 - 47.519 BY ITSELF BY ITSELF AND IT'S

01:59 - 49.349 ONLY WHEN COUPLED WITH THAT

01:59 - 50.330 OTHER LANGUAGE THAT

01:59 - 52.689 IT'S ARGUABLY A VIOLATION

01:59 - 54.249 COUNCIL COUNCIL FOR SAKE OF

01:59 - 55.489 COMPLETENESS TEACHERS

01:59 - 57.799 ASSOCIATION TAKE A POSITION ON

01:59 - 00.949 THE EFFECT OF ANY OF THE DAY

02:00 - 03.129 YOU PRACTICING HIS READING OF

02:00 - 04.230 THE CONFESSION.

02:00 - 05.789 WITH THE STATEMENT THAT IT

02:00 - 08.050 WEIGHS A REDACTED STATEMENT.

02:00 - 13.539 WELL I THINK IN READING THE

02:00 - 15.239 ONE STATEMENT, I'M NOT SO SURE

02:00 - 16.859 IF HE SAID REDACTED I THINK HE

02:00 - 18.200 MENTIONED THE VERSION.

02:00 - 20.649 PERHAPS THAT WOULD HAVE SOME

02:00 - 22.019 EFFECT ON THE BRITON VIOLATION

02:00 - 23.109 BUT THAT WASN'T RAISED BY THE

02:00 - 24.339 DEFENDANTS IN THIS PARTY WAS

02:00 - 25.030 ONLY RAISED IN THE

02:00 - 26.639 COMMONWEALTH'S BRIEF. SO THAT

02:00 - 27.849 WOULD BE A NEW ARGUMENT THAT

02:00 - 28.350 THE DEFENDANT

02:00 - 29.350 DID IT.

02:00 - 32.199 RECOLLECTION AND ONE 85 WITH

02:00 - 34.459 A NOTE ATTACHED TO MADE LINE 15

02:00 - 35.909 GET YOU OUT THE TYPE VERSION

02:00 - 37.689 THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU BY ME

02:00 - 40.609 ANSWER REDACTED ONE WHEN

02:00 - 41.700 QUESTIONED MART

02:00 - 44.370 WAS IT JUST YET, BUT IT IS THAT

02:00 - 46.799 FEMALE CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENT

02:00 - 48.579 OR IS THAT WILSON STATEMENT, I

02:00 - 49.929 KNOW ONE OF THEM SAID REDACTED

02:00 - 51.360 YES AND AND THE OTHER ONE.

02:00 - 53.029 SAID YOU HAVE THAT WHATEVER

02:00 - 55.600 VERSION. MISTER WELL, OKAY.

02:00 - 57.849 BUT OUR POSITION BUT I WOULD

02:00 - 58.710 SUBMIT THAT THAT WOULD BE

02:00 - 00.129 WEIGHT BECAUSE IT WASN'T RAISED

02:01 - 01.149 IN ANY OF THE BRIEFING HERE

02:01 - 02.359 EXCEPT IN THE COMMONWEALTH

02:01 - 03.360 SPREE.

02:01 - 05.449 SO I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN'T

02:01 - 06.819 RAISE NEW THEORIES ON APPEAL SO

02:01 - 07.889 TO THE EXTENT THE DEFENDANTS

02:01 - 09.249 WOULD BE RAISING THAT NOW I

02:01 - 10.650 WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT WOULD BE

02:01 - 12.499 PART AND PARCEL OF THE PRUDENT

02:01 - 15.009 CLAIM WHAT YOUR WHAT YOUR WHICH

02:01 - 16.609 YOU'RE ASSOCIATIONS POSITION ON

02:01 - 17.610 IT.

02:01 - 20.289 I'M COUNTING. WE DON'T FIND

02:01 - 21.290 WAIVER.

02:01 - 23.860 I MEAN YOU HAVE ANY

02:01 - 25.509 ASSOCIATION WHO WON'T TAKE A

02:01 - 27.339 POSITION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS

02:01 - 28.429 TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A

02:01 - 29.980 BRUTAL VIOLATION AND.

02:01 - 32.199 IF THIS IS AN ADDED FACTOR

02:01 - 33.519 THAT THE TESTIMONY BY THE

02:01 - 34.939 DEFENDANT WAYS THIS IS A

02:01 - 36.110 REDACTED STATEMENT.

02:01 - 39.559 YOUR FOR YOUR HONOR TO BE CLEAR

02:01 - 41.009 WE'RE NOT TAKING POSITION IT'S

02:01 - 41.950 OUR POSITION THAT REASONABLE

02:01 - 43.020 MINDS TOO GREAT.

02:01 - 44.439 COULD DISAGREE AND IN FACT

02:01 - 45.969 REASONABLE MINDS DO JUST

02:01 - 47.839 DISAGREE AND SAY I'M NOT TAKING

02:01 - 49.179 A POSITION ON THE BROOM

02:01 - 50.350 VIBRATION CRACKED.

02:01 - 52.289 YOU'RE CONCERNED YOUR CONCERN

02:01 - 53.609 IS IS THIS COURT ISSUING A

02:01 - 54.809 DECISION THAT SAYS NEUTRAL

02:01 - 56.080 PRONOUNS ARE NO LONGER GOOD.

02:01 - 58.700 MY FRIEND IS NOT GOOD.

02:02 - 02.779 THAT'S THE NARROW ISSUE ARE

02:02 - 04.859 BROADER CONCERN AS IF THIS

02:02 - 07.269 COURT ADOPT A RULE THAT

02:02 - 09.199 ALLOWS FOR CAN TECH STILL

02:02 - 10.729 IMPLICATION WHICH THE 3RD

02:02 - 11.200 CIRCUIT

02:02 - 13.229 REPEATEDLY DOES. BUT IT'S NOT

02:02 - 15.009 SANCTIONED BY THE UNITED STATES

02:02 - 16.109 OR YOU HAVE WHAT ABOUT I

02:02 - 17.110 THOUGHT I THOUGHT

02:02 - 19.360 PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT

02:02 - 21.619 ATTORNEY'S ARGUMENT ON BABY US

02:02 - 22.789 CONCERNS WAS AN INTERESTING

02:02 - 24.429 CONCERNED YOU NOT THE DISTRICT

02:02 - 25.799 ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION NOT SHARE

02:02 - 25.870 THE

02:02 - 27.939 CONCERN THAT IF THE 3RD CIRCUIT

02:02 - 29.249 HAS ADOPTED CAN TOUCH WILL

02:02 - 30.649 IMPLICATION THAT THESE CASES

02:02 - 30.920 ARE JUST

02:02 - 32.339 GOING TO WE'LL GO THROUGH HERE,

02:02 - 33.689 BUT THEY GO THROUGH FEDERAL ABS

02:02 - 34.690 AND GET REVERSED ANYWAY.

02:02 - 37.179 I DON'T SHARE THE CONCERN

02:02 - 38.509 BECAUSE I'M VERY WELL AWARE

02:02 - 39.779 THAT WE HAVE NUMEROUS CASES IN

02:02 - 41.199 FACT I HAVE WON THE FIRST

02:02 - 42.949 BATTLE IN THE 30'S, THE AND

02:02 - 43.370 HEALTH.

02:02 - 45.079 HOPEFULLY ONE OF THESE DAYS,

02:02 - 46.479 THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

02:02 - 48.439 IS GOING TO GRANT START ON ONE

02:02 - 50.160 OF THESE CASES, BUT I WILL SAY

02:02 - 51.909 THIS COURT IS NOT BEHOLDEN TO

02:02 - 53.709 THE 3RD CIRCUIT. THIS COURT

02:02 - 55.869 HAS CONSISTENTLY PROPERLY

02:02 - 57.449 INTERPRETED AND APPLIED THE

02:02 - 59.669 BRUTON TRILOGY THE SUPREME

02:02 - 00.919 COURT'S USE ME THE 3RD CIRCUIT

02:03 - 03.010 ON THE OTHER HAND. THEY.

02:03 - 06.189 BASICALLY HOLD THAT ANY NEUTRAL

02:03 - 08.049 PHRASE READ ACTION WILL RESULT

02:03 - 10.129 IN GRANTING OF A WRIT OF HABEAS

02:03 - 11.459 CORPUS UNLESS THERE'S A SUDDEN

02:03 - 13.079 NOW YOU JUMPED YOU JUMP FROM

02:03 - 15.619 ONE ROAD APPLICATION TO THE

02:03 - 17.670 POLAR OPPOSITE ROAD APPLICATION

02:03 - 19.410 DON'T TO KATE DOESN'T

02:03 - 21.549 DOESN'T THE CASE LAST STAND FOR

02:03 - 23.780 NEW ONES STAND FOR CONTEXT.

02:03 - 25.199 AND STAND AGAINST ROAD

02:03 - 26.909 APPLICATION ON ONE POLL OR

02:03 - 28.609 ANOTHER IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE

02:03 - 29.280 YOU'RE YOU'RE

02:03 - 31.899 ARGUING. IN FAVOR OF WATER

02:03 - 33.359 SUPERIOR COURT APPARENTLY BEEN

02:03 - 36.060 DOING WITH THIS ROAD POSITION

02:03 - 38.019 THAT A NEUTRAL PRONOUN PLUS A

02:03 - 39.509 CAUTIONARY INSTRUCTION YOU'RE

02:03 - 40.510 GOOD TO GO.

02:03 - 43.619 AND AND AND NOW YOU'RE

02:03 - 45.670 SAYING THAT THAT.

02:03 - 46.910 THERE'S AN

02:03 - 49.439 OPPOSITE ROAD VIEW THE 3RD

02:03 - 51.299 CIRCUIT IS WHAT I'M HEARING

02:03 - 52.230 WHILE YOU'RE ON WITH ALL DUE

02:03 - 53.809 RESPECT I'M NOT ARGUING THAT IN

02:03 - 55.509 PENNSYLVANIA STATE CASES IT'S A

02:03 - 57.119 ROAD POSITION THE ROAD POSITION

02:03 - 58.519 TAKEN BY THE 3RD CIRCUIT IS

02:03 - 00.129 INCONSISTENT WITH UNITED STATES

02:04 - 00.970 SUPREME COURT

02:04 - 02.649 WHAT I'M ARGUING THIS CASE AND

02:04 - 04.529 THE TRAVERSE OPINION WHICH

02:04 - 05.120 DISCUSSES

02:04 - 07.099 NEUTRAL PRONOUNS IT'S THE

02:04 - 08.859 GENERAL RULE, IT'S NOT A BRIGHT

02:04 - 09.929 LINE RULE THERE'S ALWAYS

02:04 - 11.209 EXCEPTIONS TO THE ROLE IT

02:04 - 12.509 DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY AS

02:04 - 14.229 LONG AS YOU HAVE A NEUTRAL

02:04 - 15.749 PRONOUN AND A CAUTIONARY

02:04 - 17.209 INSTRUCTION THAT SUFFICIENT IT

02:04 - 17.850 DOES NOT

02:04 - 19.079 IT SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A

02:04 - 20.579 NEUTRAL PRONOUN THERE CAN'T BE

02:04 - 22.389 ANY OBVIOUS INDICATION OF ANY

02:04 - 25.129 REACTION. THE STILL RETAIN ITS

02:04 - 26.130 NARRATIVE INTEGRITY

02:04 - 27.609 AND THERE MUST BE A CAUTIONARY

02:04 - 29.019 INSTRUCTION AND EVEN THIS

02:04 - 30.369 COURTHOUSE FOUND IN SOME

02:04 - 32.089 SITUATIONS IN WET WHICH THERE

02:04 - 34.219 IS A NEUTRAL PRONOUN BUT THAT

02:04 - 35.220 DOESN'T NECESSARILY

02:04 - 37.599 MUSTER UNDER BRUTON AND IN THAT

02:04 - 38.789 REGARD. I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR

02:04 - 41.359 ATTENTION TO COMMONWEALTH'S THE

02:04 - 42.909 CHEF FORCED PLEASE OKAY IF I

02:04 - 43.969 COULD JUST DIRECT YOUR HONOR'S

02:04 - 45.159 ATTENTION TO I BELIEVE IT'S

02:04 - 46.570 COMMONWEALTH VERSUS MARKMAN

02:04 - 48.690 PENNSYLVANIA 2007.

02:04 - 50.099 THAT WAS A CASE IN WHICH THE

02:04 - 51.759 OTHER GUY WAS USED AND IF IF

02:04 - 52.829 THIS COURT ADOPTED A BRIGHT

02:04 - 53.820 LINE RULE BUT THEN YOU WOULD

02:04 - 54.350 SAY THAT THAT

02:04 - 56.069 WAS SUFFICIENT BUT IN THAT CASE

02:04 - 57.149 THE WAY IN WHICH WAS READ TO

02:04 - 58.439 THE JURY IT WAS AN AUDIO

02:04 - 00.040 RECORDING AND EVERY TIME.

02:05 - 01.969 THE OTHER GUY CAME IN IT WAS A

02:05 - 04.429 VOICED UP, SO IT WAS CLEAR THAT

02:05 - 05.949 THERE IS AN OBVIOUS INDICATION

02:05 - 06.260 SO IN

02:05 - 08.309 THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. IT WAS FOUND

02:05 - 09.529 TO BE APPROVED BY A LICENSE

02:05 - 10.669 THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT

02:05 - 11.979 WHAT THE 3RD CIRCUIT IS SAYING

02:05 - 13.829 IS WRONG. THIS COURT IS NOT

02:05 - 16.440 TOTALLY APPLY. ROUTE.

02:05 - 18.660 GIVEN THAT YOUR ASSOCIATION.

02:05 - 22.740 RATION PACKS IN

02:05 - 24.219 THIS CASE. HE'S NOT

02:05 - 27.759 SURE WHY SHOWS THAT THESE ARE

02:05 - 28.400 SUBTLE AND

02:05 - 29.400 DIFFICULT IS.

02:05 - 31.719 AND AND YOU KNOW OUR CORE

02:05 - 33.469 WILL WRITE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS

02:05 - 36.659 CORRECT WE REGARD LISTS OF WHAT

02:05 - 38.069 THE 3RD CIRCUIT DOESN'T IT'S

02:05 - 39.539 SOME JUNCTURE PERHAPS THE

02:05 - 40.779 UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

02:05 - 42.279 WILL STRAIGHTEN IT OUT AND OF

02:05 - 43.819 COURSE WE ARE OBLIGATED TO FALL

02:05 - 44.180 WHATEVER

02:05 - 46.029 IT SAYS SO IF I COULD JUST

02:05 - 47.579 STAND CORRECT THAT I THINK WHAT

02:05 - 48.620 YOU'RE SAYING HE GIVES.

02:05 - 49.740 IT'S NOT THAT YOUR

02:05 - 51.809 ASSOCIATIONS NOT SURE IT'S THAT

02:05 - 53.499 SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS BELIEVE IT

02:05 - 55.089 WAS IN SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS

02:05 - 56.140 BELIEVE IT WASN'T.

02:05 - 01.489 I DON'T SAY THAT I JUST WANT

02:06 - 03.279 TO SAY IT'S A CLOSE CALL AND

02:06 - 05.069 IT'S A CLOSE CALL BECAUSE IT'S

02:06 - 06.799 NOT A BRIGHT LINE RULE NOT JUST

02:06 - 08.289 GOES TO MY POINT THAT WE DON'T

02:06 - 09.290 WROTE LEE.

02:06 - 12.089 AS A PROSECUTOR AND ADMINISTER

02:06 - 13.959 JUSTICE IF I 100% BELIEVE

02:06 - 15.239 THAT SOMETHING WAS OR WAS NOT A

02:06 - 16.799 VIOLATION I'M NOT GOING TO COME

02:06 - 18.299 IN HERE BEFORE THIS COURT LOSE

02:06 - 20.369 MY CREDIBILITY AND ARGUE THAT

02:06 - 21.949 WE APPRECIATE THAT A FINE JOB,

02:06 - 23.149 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU

02:06 - 24.320 FOR YEARS. WELL OUR KIDS.

02:06 - 28.659 THE 3RD CASE YOU'RE GOING TO

02:06 - 30.209 HEAR IS CALLED COMMONWEALTH OF

02:06 - 32.259 PENNSYLVANIA VERSUS DANTE

02:06 - 34.029 BROWN, THIS IS ANOTHER CRIMINAL

02:06 - 35.869 CASE AND IT EVOLVED INVOLVES

02:06 - 37.809 THE QUESTION OF WHEN EXPERT

02:06 - 39.829 TESTIMONY IS ADMISSIBLE AT

02:06 - 40.830 TRIAL.

02:06 - 44.109 BACK IN 2017 ON A DAY AT 2.30

02:06 - 45.160 IN THE MORNING.

02:06 - 47.149 AN OFF-DUTY PENNSYLVANIA STATE

02:06 - 49.590 POLICE OFFICER NAME RYAN LOWRY

02:06 - 51.750 WAS IN A MCDONALD'S DRIVE-THRU.

02:06 - 53.880 HE ADMITS THAT HE WAS DRINKING

02:06 - 56.129 AND HE EITHER BOMB OR ALMOST

02:06 - 57.569 BUMPED THE CAR THAT WAS SITTING

02:06 - 59.319 IN THE DRIVE-THRU LINE IN FRONT

02:06 - 01.869 OF HIM. THE DRIVER OF THAT CAR

02:07 - 03.429 IN FRONT. THE DEFENDANT

02:07 - 05.860 DANTE BROWN GOT OUT OF HIS CAR

02:07 - 07.509 MISTER LOWRY GOT OUT OF HIS

02:07 - 08.430 CAR. THE

02:07 - 11.389 TO ARGUE. MISTER LOWRY THE

02:07 - 12.969 OFF-DUTY OFFICER HAS HIS

02:07 - 14.160 SERVICE WEAPON ON HIM.

02:07 - 15.979 HE TAKES IT OUT OF HIS

02:07 - 17.349 WAISTBAND AND PUTS IT IN THE

02:07 - 19.170 BACK SEAT OF HIS CAR.

02:07 - 21.509 HE AND BROWN THEN TOSS

02:07 - 24.549 UL AND BROWN ULTIMATELY TAKES

02:07 - 26.369 THE GUN OUT OF THE TROOPER'S

02:07 - 29.079 CAR. PUTS IT IN HIS OWN CAR AND

02:07 - 30.090 DRIVES AWAY

02:07 - 32.399 WITH LOWRY FOLLOWING HIM AS HE

02:07 - 33.570 DRIVES AWAY.

02:07 - 35.859 THE POLICE STOP BOTH VEHICLES

02:07 - 37.879 AND ARREST BOTH MISTER BROWN

02:07 - 40.519 AND MISTER LOWERY LOWRY

02:07 - 42.410 HAS A BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT OF

02:07 - 44.889 0.18 WHICH IS WELL ABOVE THE

02:07 - 46.490 LEGAL LIMIT TO DRIVE.

02:07 - 48.709 MISTER BROWN IS CHARGED WITH

02:07 - 50.389 CARRYING A FIREARM WITHOUT A

02:07 - 52.529 LICENSE AND BEING A FELON IN

02:07 - 53.910 POSSESSION OF A FIREARM.

02:07 - 55.879 THE CASE PROCEEDS

02:07 - 58.449 TO TRIAL. AND IN HIS DEFENSE

02:07 - 00.319 MISTER BROWN WANTS TO OFFER AN

02:08 - 02.059 EXPERT WITNESS WHO WOULD

02:08 - 03.610 TESTIFY THAT.

02:08 - 06.219 AN ELEVATED BLOOD ALCOHOL

02:08 - 08.639 CONTENT LEADS TO POOR MEMORY

02:08 - 10.720 POOR JUDGMENT AND AGGRESSION.

02:08 - 12.999 THE TRIAL COURT PRECLUDES THE

02:08 - 14.859 EXPERT ON THE BASIS THAT THE

02:08 - 17.369 TESTIMONY WOULD INFRINGE ON THE

02:08 - 19.250 EXCLUSIVE RIGHT OF THE JURY

02:08 - 21.479 TO DETERMINE CREDIBILITY

02:08 - 22.839 INCLUDING MR. LOWRY'S

02:08 - 24.609 CREDIBILITY AND ACTIONS ON THE

02:08 - 26.589 NIGHT OF THE AXIS OF THE

02:08 - 28.699 INCIDENT. BROWN IS CONVICTED

02:08 - 30.530 THE SENTENCE TO 5 TO 10 YEARS

02:08 - 32.929 IN PRISON. THE SUPERIOR

02:08 - 34.519 COURT AFFIRMED THE CONVICTION

02:08 - 35.959 AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOW

02:08 - 37.020 ALLOWED AN APPEAL.

02:08 - 39.299 BROWN ARGUES THAT THE EXPERT

02:08 - 40.920 DID NOT ADDRESS CREDIBILITY,

02:08 - 42.659 WHAT WOULD SIMPLY HAVE

02:08 - 44.499 ADDRESSED THE RELIABILITY OF

02:08 - 47.009 LOWRY'S TESTIMONY AND ALLOWED

02:08 - 49.049 THE JURY TO FIND THAT LOWRY'S

02:08 - 51.130 ELEVATED BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT

02:08 - 52.030 COULD HAVE MADE HIM

02:08 - 54.099 MORE AGGRESSIVE. IN WHICH CASE

02:08 - 55.729 MISTER BROWN WAS JUSTIFIED IN

02:08 - 56.999 TAKING THE WEAPON OUT OF

02:08 - 59.290 LOWRY'S CAR AND DRIVING AWAY.

02:09 - 01.650 THE INNOCENCE PROJECT

02:09 - 03.449 HAS FILED AN AMICUS CURIAE

02:09 - 05.780 BRIEF ON BEHALF OF MISTER BROWN

02:09 - 07.450 AND ARGUING.

02:09 - 10.539 THE EXPERT TESTIMONY

02:09 - 11.819 SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADMITTED AND

02:09 - 13.429 DID NOT INFRINGE ON THE JURY'S

02:09 - 15.460 RIGHT TO FIND CREDIBILITY.

02:09 - 18.009 THE COMMONWEALTH HAS ARGUED

02:09 - 19.909 THAT THE EXPERT WAS PROPERLY

02:09 - 20.910 PRECLUDED

02:09 - 23.199 BECAUSE IT THE EXPERT WOULD

02:09 - 24.769 HAVE IMPAIRED THE JURY'S

02:09 - 26.750 ABILITY TO FIND CREDIBILITY.

02:09 - 29.359 AND THE EFFECTS OF INTOXICATION

02:09 - 31.160 ARE WELL KNOWN AND THEREFORE.

02:09 - 33.559 EXPERT TESTIMONY IS IMPROPER

02:09 - 34.920 FOR THAT REASON AS WELL.

02:09 - 36.619 NOW LET'S GO TO THE COURTROOM

02:09 - 37.700 TO HEAR THE ARGUMENT.

02:09 - 40.459 WHEN GOOD MORNING

02:09 - 42.219 FROM JUSTICES CALL MORGAN FROM

02:09 - 43.609 THE DEFENDER ASSOCIATION AND

02:09 - 46.239 MET ME FOR THE BENEFIT

02:09 - 47.240 OF THE.

02:09 - 48.869 PROBABLY GOOD ALSO TO MAKE

02:09 - 49.860 SURE THAT THE PORT

02:09 - 52.939 IN YOU. AND COUSIN COUNCIL ARE

02:09 - 55.260 AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT

02:09 - 57.190 ELIMINATION WE WANT TO DECIDE

02:09 - 59.599 THE CASE INVOLVES THE PROPRIETY

02:09 - 01.039 OF THE EVIDENT RE RELATED

02:10 - 02.659 PRECLUDING A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT

02:10 - 04.439 FOR PRESENTING. EXPERT

02:10 - 06.249 TESTIMONY REGARDING THE BLOOD

02:10 - 07.479 ALCOHOL CONTENT OF THE

02:10 - 08.030 COMMONWEALTH'S

02:10 - 10.109 PRINCIPAL WITNESS AND THE

02:10 - 11.919 EFFECT ON THE WITNESS'S MEMORY

02:10 - 13.979 AND PERCEPTION AND THE LOWER

02:10 - 15.309 COURT CONCLUDED THAT THE

02:10 - 17.080 EXPERT'S TESTIMONY BECAUSE

02:10 - 19.250 INADMISSIBLE ASSESSMENT.

02:10 - 19.630 THE

02:10 - 21.819 WITNESSES CREDIBILITY. A NEW

02:10 - 23.299 CHALLENGE THAT RULE AND WANT TO

02:10 - 26.019 PUT THE REPORT AND

02:10 - 27.330 TESTIMONY IN THAT'S

02:10 - 29.129 THE RIGHT AHEAD THIS MORNING.

02:10 - 30.409 THANK YOU NOTE WHAT FIRST OF

02:10 - 31.579 ALL LET ME GET TO THE ELEPHANT

02:10 - 33.310 IN THE ROOM. WHAT THE

02:10 - 36.229 WANTED TO TESTIFY TO

02:10 - 39.530 WAS EXTRAPOLATED. EVIDENCE

02:10 - 42.679 BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT IN

02:10 - 45.109 THIS CASE. I DON'T WANT TO GO

02:10 - 46.619 DEEPLY INTO THE FACTS BUT IT

02:10 - 48.579 WAS A STATE TROOPER. WHERE

02:10 - 50.859 THERE WAS A AN ALTERCATION AT A

02:10 - 52.809 FAST FOOD LINE. A

02:10 - 55.099 FENDER BENDER AND IN THE COURSE

02:10 - 57.619 OF THAT. THE STATE TROOPER WHO

02:10 - 00.379 WAS ON. WELL LET ME STEP BACK

02:11 - 01.949 HE NOT

02:11 - 03.709 IN UNIFORM, MIKE LINE MISTER

02:11 - 04.989 BROWN TO KNOW HE WAS A STATE

02:11 - 05.910 TROOPER, THOUGH WE KEEP

02:11 - 07.749 REFERENCING HIM IN THIS TITLE A

02:11 - 09.219 STATE TROOPER JUST ABOUNDING

02:11 - 10.459 KNOW THAT BUT HE KNEW HE

02:11 - 13.669 WAS ARMED. THIS THE STATE

02:11 - 15.120 TROOPER WAS EXTREMELY DRUNK.

02:11 - 17.139 AND WE'VE GOT INTO AN

02:11 - 18.600 ALTERCATION AND THEN

02:11 - 20.739 MY CLIENT WITH NOT BEING

02:11 - 22.419 PHYSICAL A VIOLENT OR

02:11 - 25.199 AGGRESSIVE. BUT THE STATE

02:11 - 28.449 TROOPER. THEN PUT HIS GUN IN

02:11 - 30.599 THE END HIS CAR AND CAME BACK

02:11 - 31.659 AND SAID YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT

02:11 - 32.790 TO FIGHT LET'S FIGHT.

02:11 - 36.159 MY CLIENT INSTEAD OF WITH

02:11 - 37.359 FIGHTING INSTEAD OF DOING

02:11 - 39.369 ANYTHING AGGRESSIVE WHEN AROUND

02:11 - 41.389 HIM. WE TOOK THE GUN FROM THE

02:11 - 43.519 CAR THAT WAS IN RIGHT AND WITH

02:11 - 44.650 THE STATE TROOPER WAS

02:11 - 47.689 TO EXTRICATE THAT GUN FROM THAT

02:11 - 49.039 SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS A

02:11 - 50.360 DANGEROUS SITUATION.

02:11 - 53.719 YOU ARE THE FEAR IS IS STILL

02:11 - 54.720 THE GOT.

02:11 - 56.730 IF YOU THINK YOU WANT

02:11 - 58.279 TO STEAL THE GUN THEN FINE BUT

02:11 - 00.009 WHEN WHEN THE POLICE FINALLY HE

02:12 - 00.980 GOT IN THE CAR THAT WAS A

02:12 - 01.980 CAR CHASE.

02:12 - 03.489 THE STATE TROOPERS DRUNK AS

02:12 - 06.139 HE WAS STARTED CHASING HIM DOWN

02:12 - 07.699 THE QUESTION HERE IN THE U.S.

02:12 - 09.119 AND TO THE CHIEF JUSTICE IS A

02:12 - 11.459 GOOD INDICATION. HE SAID WHEN

02:12 - 12.969 WHEN THE POLICE CAME AND THEY

02:12 - 14.099 FINALLY CAUGHT IT

02:12 - 15.869 STOPPED EVERYBODY. HE GAVE THE

02:12 - 16.860 GUN TO THE TO THE

02:12 - 18.229 POLICE OR DOES IT FEEL WHEN

02:12 - 19.130 THEY HOST THE MIDST OF

02:12 - 20.589 MOURNING, LET ME FOLLOW UP FOR

02:12 - 22.509 COULD COULD JUST LET THEM KNOW

02:12 - 24.689 THAT MR. JUSTICE PROPERTY IN IN

02:12 - 27.509 JUST THIS MONDAY. WHAT STRUCK

02:12 - 30.420 ME IMMEDIATELY IS A DISCONNECT

02:12 - 31.900 BETWEEN THE CRIME.

02:12 - 37.009 AND THE EVIDENCE YOU WANT TO

02:12 - 40.809 PUT IT. THE CRIME IS POSSESSION

02:12 - 42.520 OF THE FIREARM THAT'S CORRECT.

02:12 - 44.620 YOU COULD

02:12 - 45.919 ARGUE TO THE JURY AND THE

02:12 - 48.109 JUDGES THE TRIAL FINDER TRAFFIC

02:12 - 50.159 IT IS THE FACT FINDER WE CAN

02:12 - 52.959 GET INTO THE MOTIVATIONS OF

02:12 - 54.440 YOUR CLIENT TO THE LIGHT

02:12 - 57.369 WHO CARES HOW DROUGHT THE STATE

02:12 - 59.289 POLICE OFFICER IS SEEMS TO ME

02:12 - 01.429 COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE

02:13 - 03.019 CHARGE AGAINST YOUR CLIENT

02:13 - 05.379 WHICH IS THAT THE STOLE THE

02:13 - 08.249 GUN. AND GOT CAUGHT UP

02:13 - 10.370 WITH IT. SO IT SEEMS TO BEGIN

02:13 - 12.279 COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE

02:13 - 16.029 CASE INADMISSIBLE EVEN THE APP

02:13 - 18.029 ALL LEVEL OF THE VICTIM 2, 2,

02:13 - 19.619 THINGS YOUR HONOR WHEN YOU SAY

02:13 - 21.439 WHO CARES WELL FIRST OF ALL IT

02:13 - 22.579 GOES TO THE FUNDAMENTAL

02:13 - 24.499 FAIRNESS OF MY CLIENTS DID HE

02:13 - 26.349 GET A FAIR TRIAL. AND HE DIDN'T

02:13 - 27.499 GET A FAIR TRIAL BECAUSE THERE

02:13 - 29.349 WAS NOT EVIDENCE OF

02:13 - 31.669 HOW INTOXICATED THE POLICE

02:13 - 33.599 OFFICER WAS THE COMMONWEALTH

02:13 - 34.170 SAYS

02:13 - 40.039 WELL YEAH WE MISTER MORGAN MY

02:13 - 41.439 QUESTION MUST NOT BE CLEAR TO

02:13 - 44.009 YOU. ASSUME ON THAT EVENING.

02:13 - 45.010 I WAS DROPPED.

02:13 - 47.639 PERTAIN TO THIS TRIAL

02:13 - 49.249 OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT I'M

02:13 - 51.419 SUGGESTING TO YOU IS THE HEAVY

02:13 - 52.939 ALCOHOL LEVEL OF THE STATE

02:13 - 54.899 POLICE OFFICER IS COMPLETELY

02:13 - 56.419 IRRELEVANT AS TO WHETHER YOUR

02:13 - 57.720 CLIENT TOOK THE GUN OR NOT

02:13 - 59.189 THAT'S WELL. IT IS RELEVANT

02:13 - 01.189 JUDGE. THE COST HAD THE

02:14 - 02.459 TESTIMONY COMING FROM THE

02:14 - 04.850 EXPERT HE WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED

02:14 - 06.629 THAT PEOPLE HAVE OF A CERTAIN

02:14 - 08.759 BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL CAN BE

02:14 - 10.639 HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE AND HAVE

02:14 - 12.739 A A LOSS OF JUDGMENT, A LOSS OF

02:14 - 14.410 MEMORY WAS A PERCEPTION.

02:14 - 17.479 AND DEPENDING ON HIS TESTIMONY

02:14 - 19.749 ABOUT THAT THE JUDGE THE

02:14 - 20.750 TRIAL JUDGE

02:14 - 23.339 MAY HAVE WELL TO THEIR RULING

02:14 - 24.220 ON WHETHER OR NOT A

02:14 - 25.959 JUSTIFICATION DEFENSE SHOULD

02:14 - 27.569 HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT WASN'T THE

02:14 - 28.700 CAUSE OF THE GUN.

02:14 - 32.170 IN LAYING ON IN THE BACK SEAT.

02:14 - 32.930 YES,

02:14 - 35.149 WHAT WITHIN YOU KNOW WITH

02:14 - 36.459 COMPLETE THE STATE TROOPER WAS

02:14 - 37.460 RIGHT

02:14 - 40.699 CASE, LINES HAVE BEEN CHARGED

02:14 - 42.069 WITH POSSESSION OF A GUN AND

02:14 - 43.749 WAS IN LIKE A CAR AND THEY WERE

02:14 - 45.709 OUTSIDE OF THE CAR STRUCK THE

02:14 - 47.329 POSSESSION, DIDN'T THE STATE

02:14 - 49.699 TROOPER GET OUT OF THE CAR AND

02:14 - 50.490 PUT THE GUN IN THE

02:14 - 51.530 BACK SEAT.

02:14 - 57.389 I OUT OF CAR. IT WAS ALWAYS

02:14 - 59.219 IN THE BACK SEAT. THEN HE CAME

02:14 - 00.569 TO CONFRONT ONE POINT BUT IT

02:15 - 01.180 WAS ALWAYS IN THE

02:15 - 03.979 BACK SEAT. THE ARGUMENT IS MY

02:15 - 06.199 CLIENT THAT HOW BECAUSE HOW

02:15 - 07.779 DRUNK THIS GUY WAS AND WHAT HE

02:15 - 09.219 WAS GOING TO DO WHETHER OR NOT

02:15 - 10.200 HE WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO THE

02:15 - 11.969 CAR AND USED AND GET THE GUN TO

02:15 - 14.509 USE IT. THE 3RD PARTY THAT WAS

02:15 - 16.589 OUT THERE TESTIFIED THAT BEFORE

02:15 - 17.979 THE POLICE TROOPER PUT THE GUN

02:15 - 19.789 IN THE CAR. HE WAS IN THIS

02:15 - 21.170 ISN'T THE BRACKET FIDGETING

02:15 - 22.770 FIDGETING WITH THE GUN.

02:15 - 24.879 NOW CLEARLY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

02:15 - 26.139 I DON'T KNOW, BUT DOES THAT

02:15 - 27.140 MEAN THAT HE WAS

02:15 - 29.349 CONTEMPLATING WHETHER I NEED TO

02:15 - 30.819 USE THIS GUN ON THAT WHAT THEY

02:15 - 31.700 NEED TO KEEP IT ON

02:15 - 33.669 MY POSSESSION TO USE AGAINST

02:15 - 36.219 THIS GUY DIDN'T GO COUNCIL IS

02:15 - 38.029 PLANNING FOR NO I I WON'T DO

02:15 - 40.349 THAT WHAT'S THAT WE'VE GOT IT

02:15 - 43.339 DOES NOT ASSIST YOUR CASE KNOW

02:15 - 45.749 YOUR CLIENT FOR YOU TO OVERRIDE

02:15 - 47.120 THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED

02:15 - 48.300 THE REASON WE'RE ASKING

02:15 - 49.489 QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO

02:15 - 50.849 GO BACK BOTH THE CASE AND WRITE

02:15 - 51.350 THE OPINION.

02:15 - 53.419 SO WHEN SOMEBODY ASKED A

02:15 - 54.549 QUESTION I WOULD GREATLY

02:15 - 55.979 APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D STOP

02:15 - 56.780 LISTEN AND ANSWER

02:15 - 58.019 THE QUESTION AND WITH THAT

02:15 - 59.719 JUSTICE DAUGHERTY HAS THE FLOOR

02:15 - 00.979 WHEN HE'S DONE JUST THIS MONDAY

02:16 - 02.879 AS BEFORE. I APOLOGIZE, JUDGE I

02:16 - 04.799 THOUGHT I WAS WHAT I DID IN TO

02:16 - 06.849 THE QUESTION. WE'RE SEEING THE

02:16 - 08.669 ISSUE BEFORE THIS COURT IS

02:16 - 09.930 WHETHER THE INTRODUCTION

02:16 - 12.139 WITH A PRICK LUCIAN OF YOUR

02:16 - 13.360 EXPERT TESTIMONY.

02:16 - 16.090 IMPERMISSIBLY STEPPED ON THE

02:16 - 18.399 CREDIBILITY DETERMINATION FOR

02:16 - 20.119 LIKE TO THE JURY. I HAVE A

02:16 - 22.290 QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW IN FACT.

02:16 - 24.939 DOES THIS STATEMENT WHICH IS

02:16 - 26.169 YOUR INTRODUCTION ALARMS

02:16 - 27.219 BECAUSE ALREADY MEDICAL

02:16 - 29.380 DOCTORS. EXPERT TESTIMONY,

02:16 - 31.529 QUOTE UNQUOTE THIS IS FAR MORE

02:16 - 33.689 ALCOHOL. THE TROOPER LOWRY

02:16 - 35.209 ADMITTED AT THE TIME OF HIS

02:16 - 36.899 ACCIDENT. WE'RE AT THE TIME OF

02:16 - 39.269 THE INVESTIGATION. WE THEN

02:16 - 40.379 GOVETT THAT THE STATEMENT THEN

02:16 - 40.800 GOES ON

02:16 - 43.859 TROOPER LOWRY'S PERCEPTION

02:16 - 46.350 JUDGMENT MEMORY AND INHIBITIONS

02:16 - 47.830 WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE

02:16 - 50.709 MARKEDLY AFFECTED BY HIS LEVEL

02:16 - 52.429 OF INTOXICATION HIS

02:16 - 53.240 RECOLLECTION OF

02:16 - 55.959 THE INCIDENT MUST BE CONSIDERED

02:16 - 58.060 UNRELIABLE AND DISTORTED

02:16 - 59.659 BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS OF

02:16 - 01.519 ALCOHOL WHEN HIS COGNITIVE

02:17 - 03.229 ABILITY. THEY CANNOT BE

02:17 - 05.539 CONSIDERED RELIABLE, ESPECIALLY

02:17 - 07.459 IN VIEW OF THE STATEMENTS ABOUT

02:17 - 08.890 HIS ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION.

02:17 - 10.659 SHARE WITH ME HOW THAT'S NOT A

02:17 - 12.589 CREDIBILITY CALL, NOT WHETHER

02:17 - 13.719 THEY FIDGETED OR ANY OF THE

02:17 - 15.749 FACTS. THE ISSUE HERE IS IF

02:17 - 18.009 THERE'S A CREDIBILITY CALL DID

02:17 - 19.919 YOU USE ARE KEPT FROM THE JURY

02:17 - 21.139 SUCH THAT THIS

02:17 - 22.329 MOTION ELIMINATE SHOULD HAVE

02:17 - 24.479 BEEN GREAT THAT SO I'M ASKING

02:17 - 26.309 YOU POINT BLANK IF YOUR

02:17 - 28.629 EXPERTS STATEMENT, NOT WHETHER

02:17 - 29.580 HE WANTED TO DO AN

02:17 - 31.309 EXTRAPOLATION ARGUMENT. BUT

02:17 - 32.830 WHAT WAS PROPER TO THE COURT

02:17 - 34.899 DID THAT STEP IN THE PROVINCE

02:17 - 36.379 OF THE JURY HAS A CREDIBILITY

02:17 - 37.799 CALL AS TO WHETHER THE

02:17 - 39.830 DETECTIVE OR THE STATE TROOPER

02:17 - 42.620 WAS BELIEVABLE OR NOT I CONCEDE

02:17 - 44.579 WITH THAT EVIDENCE SHOULD NOT

02:17 - 46.199 COME IN BECAUSE IT'S AN

02:17 - 47.660 INDIVIDUAL I STATEMENT

02:17 - 49.159 ABOUT THAT STATE TROOPERS

02:17 - 50.779 CREDIBILITY NEXT TO SHOW THAT

02:17 - 51.799 WE'RE HERE FOR AND OR

02:17 - 52.800 RELIABILITY.

02:17 - 56.569 I I FOR IT AND I I STRESSED

02:17 - 57.230 IN MY BRIEF

02:17 - 58.719 THAT RELIABILITY AND

02:17 - 59.560 CREDIBILITY

02:17 - 01.349 WAS DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S THE

02:18 - 03.439 POSITION I TOOK THERE FOR THE

02:18 - 05.329 PROHIBITION ABOUT EXPERT NOT

02:18 - 06.240 NOT GOING TOWARD THE

02:18 - 07.259 CREDIBILITY OF A WITNESS

02:18 - 08.240 DOESN'T APPLY WHEN YOU'RE

02:18 - 08.560 TALKING

02:18 - 10.319 ABOUT RELIABILITY WHAT IF YOUR

02:18 - 11.749 HONOR'S BELIEVE THAT THE

02:18 - 13.509 RELIABILITY AND CREDIBILITY OF

02:18 - 15.710 THE SAME THING THEN I CONCEDE

02:18 - 17.940 THAT HE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING

02:18 - 20.129 INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THAT STATE

02:18 - 22.049 TROOPER. THAT DOES NOT END THIS

02:18 - 23.429 APPEAL AND THAT DOESN'T END THE

02:18 - 25.199 ISSUE HERE BECAUSE THEN THE PUT

02:18 - 26.300 MY POSITION IS

02:18 - 29.469 HE SHOULD. HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED

02:18 - 30.060 TO TOUCH

02:18 - 32.429 TESTIFIED GENERALLY ABOUT THE

02:18 - 34.969 EFFECTS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A

02:18 - 37.249 POINT TO 4 BLOOD ALCOHOL

02:18 - 37.770 CONTENT

02:18 - 40.579 COULD BE AND THE DIFFERENT

02:18 - 41.909 CHARACTERISTICS AND LET ME

02:18 - 42.910 EXPLORE THAT.

02:18 - 45.439 INDIA WHY IT'S ALMOST LIKE A

02:18 - 46.730 STRICT LIABILITY CRIME.

02:18 - 48.260 IF YOU BLOW HIGHER THAN THE

02:18 - 51.579 0.8 YOU'RE GUILTY. TELL ME HOW

02:18 - 52.799 IT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF

02:18 - 54.479 SCIENCE CORE EXPERIENCE WHICH

02:18 - 55.749 ARE THE 3 KEY WORDS FOR AN

02:18 - 56.750 EXPERT TESTIMONY.

02:18 - 58.469 THAT SOMEONE BLOWING POSSIBLY

02:18 - 59.680 A 2.4

02:18 - 02.769 IS NOT OVER POINT 88 SUCH THAT

02:19 - 04.589 HE'S GUILTY ISN'T THAT A

02:19 - 05.859 REASONABLE COMMON

02:19 - 06.860 UNDERSTANDING.

02:19 - 08.909 WELL IT'S IT'S NOT A

02:19 - 11.079 COMMON UNDERSTANDING AND I

02:19 - 12.979 POINTED OUT THIS IS THIS GREAT

02:19 - 14.109 CASE, I POINT OUT FROM

02:19 - 15.379 ILLINOIS. WELL

02:19 - 17.549 EXPERT WITH BECAUSE CALLED TO

02:19 - 19.259 TESTIFY ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF

02:19 - 21.170 ALCOHOL AND BLACKOUT.

02:19 - 23.070 AND IN TERMS OF BLACK OUT

02:19 - 24.739 HE'S THE THE EXPERT WITNESS

02:19 - 26.769 SAID THAT YOU COULD HAVE A

02:19 - 28.289 BLACKOUT IT'S LIKE A SHOTGUN

02:19 - 30.839 APPROACH TO THE TO THE MINE AND

02:19 - 34.129 THAT ONE COULD BE WAKING AND

02:19 - 36.079 FUNCTIONING IN HIS JOB AND

02:19 - 38.299 STILL HAVE MEMORY LOSS THAT AT

02:19 - 38.370 A

02:19 - 40.569 LATER DATE, HE'LL FILL IN THE

02:19 - 41.490 BLANKS OF THAT

02:19 - 43.199 MEMORY WHAT SOUNDS LIKE MY

02:19 - 44.709 ANSWER TO GET TO THE QUESTION

02:19 - 46.209 JUDGE IF I COULD FINISH SO I

02:19 - 47.100 DON'T GET ACCUSED OF NOT

02:19 - 49.520 ANSWERING THE QUESTION IS THAT.

02:19 - 52.139 A PERSON DOESN'T KNOW THAT WHAT

02:19 - 53.209 A LAY PERSON KNOWS ABOUT

02:19 - 55.229 BLACKOUTS GENERALLY I THINK IT

02:19 - 56.859 WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT FIRST OF

02:19 - 57.879 ALL COUNCIL, THERE'S NO

02:19 - 58.999 EVIDENCE OF BLACK OUT THE ISSUE

02:19 - 00.209 BEFORE THIS COURT IS NOT OUT

02:20 - 01.100 THERE ON THE WAY IT'S

02:20 - 03.339 PENNSYLVANIA LAW AND THE LAW IS

02:20 - 03.920 IF YOUR POINT

02:20 - 06.549 '08 YOU'RE GUILTY AND THE

02:20 - 08.249 QUESTION THAT YOU JUST POSED IS

02:20 - 09.579 THAT THIS WOULD BE A GENERAL

02:20 - 11.809 INTOXICATION. GENERAL

02:20 - 13.699 TOXIC ATION IF THE

02:20 - 15.749 IF ANYONE'S BLOOD LEVEL EXCEEDS

02:20 - 17.459 POINT '08 THE GENERAL

02:20 - 19.289 PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THAT MEANS

02:20 - 21.279 HE'S GUILTY SUCH THAT NO EXPERT

02:20 - 23.039 TESTIMONY IS NEEDED UNLESS YOU

02:20 - 24.190 REFUTE THAT.

02:20 - 26.499 I AM REFUTING I'M SAYING I'M

02:20 - 30.919 SAYING THAT A A LAY PERSON DOES

02:20 - 32.570 NOT KNOW THE INTRICACIES

02:20 - 35.420 OF CERTAIN BLOOD ALCOHOL TYPES,

02:20 - 37.879 THE LEGISLATURE HAS HAS

02:20 - 38.990 BROKEN DOWN.

02:20 - 41.189 DIFFERENT DEGREES OF

02:20 - 43.009 INTOXICATION WITH THEY START A

02:20 - 44.539 POINT AWAY THAT'S ONE LEVEL

02:20 - 44.960 THEN IT'S A

02:20 - 47.219 MID LEVEL THEN THE 3RD LEVEL OF

02:20 - 48.470 THE MOST EGREGIOUS LEVEL WAS

02:20 - 50.080 0.16 IN HIGHER.

02:20 - 52.399 WHY DID THEY DO THAT BECAUSE

02:20 - 54.049 THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE

02:20 - 55.239 IN THOSE PUT OUT CALLS A

02:20 - 57.339 DIFFERENT SOME CULPABILITY A

02:20 - 57.900 DIFFERENCE

02:20 - 00.729 IN DANGEROUSNESS. I'M SAYING

02:21 - 02.559 THAT THE LAY PERSON THE GENERAL

02:21 - 03.989 LAY PERSON DOESN'T KNOW THE

02:21 - 06.430 DISTINCTIONS OF POINT '08 IS

02:21 - 09.790 1.1 FIXES OR 0.24 IS.

02:21 - 11.170 ADAM.

02:21 - 14.829 EXPERT WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED AS

02:21 - 16.459 TO THOSE DIFFERENCES AND WHAT

02:21 - 18.859 THAT MEANS AND AND AND WOULD

02:21 - 20.620 HAVE TESTIFIED THAT A PERSON

02:21 - 22.959 WITH THAT BLOOD ALCOHOL WOULD

02:21 - 26.169 HAVE HAD A LOSS

02:21 - 29.339 OF MEMORY, A LACK

02:21 - 30.340 OF JUDGMENT.

02:21 - 33.779 AGGRESSIVENESS AND I THINK

02:21 - 35.939 GOING BACK TO A JUSTICE BARRETT

02:21 - 38.810 IS HOUSE IS EVEN RELEVANT.

02:21 - 40.610 WELL IT'S RELEVANT IN THAT

02:21 - 42.529 HAD ALL THIS EVIDENCE COME IN

02:21 - 43.859 AND THE BREATH OF THAT EVIDENCE

02:21 - 44.350 WEEKS WE

02:21 - 46.299 DON'T KNOW. I CITED IN

02:21 - 48.179 FOOTNOTES OF OF PEER REVIEW

02:21 - 50.279 STUDIES OF WHAT THE EXPERT

02:21 - 51.970 WOULD HAVE RELIED ON.

02:21 - 55.029 SO WE HAD HAD A WEALTH OF HIS

02:21 - 57.449 KNOWLEDGE COME THIN. THE TRIAL

02:21 - 59.070 COURT MINDSET YOU KNOW WHAT

02:21 - 00.439 I THINK THE JUSTIFICATION

02:22 - 01.789 DEFENSE SHOULD SHOULD BE

02:22 - 03.869 ALLOWED HERE BECAUSE A PERSON

02:22 - 05.389 THAT DRUG WHO KNOWS IF THEY GO

02:22 - 07.989 INTO JUST THAT I GO BACK TO

02:22 - 08.990 CALL.

02:22 - 14.089 AND AND SINCE A JUSTIFICATION

02:22 - 15.640 DEFENSE IS PART OF THE CASE.

02:22 - 19.529 THEN IT'S RELEVANT AS TO THAT

02:22 - 20.530 AND IT WOULD MAKE

02:22 - 23.099 A DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTCOME OF

02:22 - 23.810 THE CASE.

02:22 - 26.879 WE ARE IF THERE'S

02:22 - 29.599 JUSTIFICATION THEN HE'S NOT

02:22 - 31.299 GUILTY OF TAKING THE THE THE

02:22 - 31.690 GUN.

02:22 - 34.189 HE HAS THESE JUSTIFIED IN DOING

02:22 - 35.779 THAT AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOUR

02:22 - 37.859 EYE YOU EVEN ANSWER THE

02:22 - 39.419 QUESTION DOES, BUT DID NOT HAVE

02:22 - 41.160 MY QUESTION'S BEEN RESOLVED.

02:22 - 46.309 I SEE NO QUESTIONS 30 SECONDS

02:22 - 46.610 AND

02:22 - 49.129 CONCLUDE PLEASE AND I AND WE

02:22 - 50.929 UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A

02:22 - 51.930 THEORETICAL.

02:22 - 54.959 DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT

02:22 - 56.379 A JUSTIFICATION TO FUND SHOULD

02:22 - 58.499 HAVE BEEN GIVEN. WAS THE JURY

02:22 - 00.070 CAME BACK WITH 2 QUESTIONS.

02:23 - 01.719 THEY CAME BACK WITH KIND

02:23 - 02.510 SELF-DEFENSE

02:23 - 04.719 BE UNLAWFUL AND ONE OF THE

02:23 - 06.339 OTHER QUESTIONS WAS WHAT IT IN

02:23 - 07.800 TERMS OF THE THEFT OF THE GUN.

02:23 - 09.659 WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF

02:23 - 12.289 LAWFUL TAKING. SO CLEARLY THEY

02:23 - 12.380 WERE

02:23 - 15.229 STRUGGLING WITH MY CLIENTS, YOU

02:23 - 16.399 KNOW WHETHER HE WAS DOING

02:23 - 17.629 LAWFUL ACTION WHETHER HE

02:23 - 19.479 WAS JUSTIFIED AND A

02:23 - 22.499 JUSTIFICATION, INSTRUCTION

02:23 - 23.500 WOULD HAVE HELPED THEM.

02:23 - 27.309 I IS THAT JUST I JUST WANT TO

02:23 - 29.569 CLARIFY THIS. I

02:23 - 31.619 HAD UNDERSTOOD AS I READ THE

02:23 - 32.620 BOOK.

02:23 - 34.849 THAT YOUR EXPERT TESTIMONY WAS

02:23 - 35.500 REALLY GOING

02:23 - 38.299 TO GO TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE

02:23 - 39.909 WITNESS AS A WITNESS WAS ON THE

02:23 - 41.529 STAND WHEN THE CREDIBILITY OF

02:23 - 42.639 THE TROOPER, THE TROOPERS

02:23 - 45.009 TESTIMONY AT TRIAL. YOU'RE NOT

02:23 - 46.499 SAYING THAT THE REASON WHY

02:23 - 48.150 YOU'RE THE EXPERT TESTIMONY.

02:23 - 51.429 WAS NOT TO RESPOND TO THE

02:23 - 53.479 TROOPERS TESTIMONY AT TRIAL BUT

02:23 - 54.480 TO SUPPORT

02:23 - 56.849 AN AFFIRMATIVE JUSTIFICATION,

02:23 - 59.810 DEFENSE YES. OKAY, I

02:23 - 00.900 I DIDN'T HAVE

02:24 - 05.639 AND AND MORE SO. IT WASN'T TO

02:24 - 08.279 ATTACK HIM. INDIVIDUALLY AND

02:24 - 10.579 CALL HIM A LIE OVER ATTACK IS

02:24 - 12.589 CREDIBILITY. IT'S IN ORDER

02:24 - 14.369 TO IT. IT'S WHEN

02:24 - 16.789 GIVING THE INVOCATION THAT SO

02:24 - 18.369 THE WOOD WITH JUST A STOCKY

02:24 - 19.370 READ ABOUT.

02:24 - 21.569 MEMORY IMPAIRMENT AND THINGS

02:24 - 23.859 LIKE THAT THAT WOULD SEEM TO GO

02:24 - 25.839 TO HIS TESTIMONY AT TRIAL IT

02:24 - 27.769 WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH

02:24 - 29.759 HIS CONDUCT THAT WOULD CAUSE

02:24 - 32.670 YOUR CLIENT TO BE IN FEAR OF OF

02:24 - 35.559 OF AN INTOXICATED PERSON WHO

02:24 - 36.560 HAD THE.

02:24 - 39.489 THE CAPACITY TO REALIZE OH MY

02:24 - 40.450 GOSH YOU NEED TO TAKE MY GUN

02:24 - 41.699 OFF THE THROAT IN THE CAR ABOUT

02:24 - 43.669 TO GET INTO A FIGHT. BUT WHAT

02:24 - 45.499 MADE THEM MAYBE LOSING THE

02:24 - 46.829 FIGHT GO BACK AND GET THAT GET

02:24 - 47.370 THE GUN.

02:24 - 48.859 THAT'S THE PROBLEM OF HAVING

02:24 - 50.449 WITH THE EXPERT TESTIMONY YOU

02:24 - 51.770 WANTED TO GIVE

02:24 - 53.599 AND HOW THAT RELATES TO

02:24 - 55.159 ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT THEN

02:24 - 56.599 WHAT THE WITNESSES TESTIFYING

02:24 - 59.359 BACK THAT ONLY IF THAT TEST IF

02:24 - 00.669 THE EXPERT'S TESTIMONY IS

02:25 - 02.369 LIMITED TO MEMORY AND

02:25 - 04.379 PERCEPTION, BUT HE ALSO WANTED

02:25 - 05.090 TO GET INTO.

02:25 - 06.619 AGGRESSIVENESS AND LACK OF

02:25 - 09.379 JUDGMENT. SO

02:25 - 11.460 AND THOSE DEAL WITH WHAT'S

02:25 - 13.809 CONFIDENT THAT YOU MADE ALL

02:25 - 15.529 THOSE DISTINCTIONS CLEAR ON THE

02:25 - 16.989 RECORD IN THIS CASE FOR THAT

02:25 - 18.559 ROB. I THINK THAT WAS IN THE

02:25 - 20.400 REPORT OF THE OF OF THE DOCTOR.

02:25 - 24.499 AND AGAIN. WHAT HIS HIS WAS NOT

02:25 - 26.350 TO INDIVIDUALLY ATTACKED.

02:25 - 26.680 THE

02:25 - 28.299 POLICE OFFICER, BUT JUST TO

02:25 - 29.739 GIVE AN ASSESSMENT OF

02:25 - 30.740 CREDIBILITY

02:25 - 33.389 JUST GENERALIZE THE FACT IS

02:25 - 35.279 THAT A PERSON THAT POINT TO 4

02:25 - 39.459 WOULD BE ALLOWED TO. THAT POINT

02:25 - 41.149 TO 4 HAD. JUST

02:25 - 43.429 GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS AND

02:25 - 45.249 THEN THE JURY ON THEIR OWN NOT

02:25 - 46.379 TELLING THEM WHAT IT WAS BUT

02:25 - 48.360 THEY COULD SEE WHETHER OR NOT

02:25 - 50.449 NOW WE FIT INTO THAT THOSE

02:25 - 51.850 GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS.

02:25 - 53.879 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISTER

02:25 - 55.840 MORGAN. THANK YOU MISTER GREEN.

02:26 - 05.900 GOOD MORNING, YOU'RE NOT

02:26 - 07.409 HONORS MAY PLEASE THE COURT AND

02:26 - 08.729 REAR ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THE

02:26 - 09.730 COMMONWEALTH.

02:26 - 12.060 WE HAVE

02:26 - 12.910 COLLEGE I.

02:26 - 14.639 AND THAT'S WHAT I JUST READ

02:26 - 17.009 MY OWN HANDWRITING. NO PROBLEM,

02:26 - 18.010 THE HONOR.

02:26 - 19.729 I WANT TO

02:26 - 22.399 SKIP TOO. COUNCILS CLAIM THAT

02:26 - 23.489 THIS EXPERT WAS JUST GOING TO

02:26 - 24.939 SPEAK ABOUT GENERAL AZIZ

02:26 - 26.299 GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT ANY

02:26 - 29.249 PERSON WITH BLOOD ALCOHOL

02:26 - 31.249 CONTENT AS JUSTICE DAUGHERTY

02:26 - 32.979 POINTED OUT THE EXPERT OPINIONS

02:26 - 34.860 PROFFERED IN THE EXPERTS REPORT

02:26 - 36.680 ALL WENT TO CREDIBILITY.

02:26 - 41.349 RELIABILITY WHY WHY WAS TOTAL

02:26 - 41.880 PRECLUDE

02:26 - 43.200 JEN APPROPRIATE.

02:26 - 45.509 WHY IF FEDERAL LIABILITY

02:26 - 46.200 STATEMENT WAS

02:26 - 48.469 TAKEN OUT WOULDN'T THIS HAVE

02:26 - 50.109 BEEN PROPER EVIDENCE ON IN

02:26 - 52.350 TALKS OCCASION IN RELATION BACK

02:26 - 54.370 ISN'T THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE

02:26 - 56.429 EXCEPTED AROUND THE COUNTRY

02:26 - 57.090 REGULARLY.

02:26 - 58.859 WHAT I'M SAYING YOUR HONOR IS

02:26 - 01.489 A A EXPERT OPINION MAKING

02:27 - 03.279 GENERALIZATIONS WASN'T OFFERED

02:27 - 03.530 IN THAT

02:27 - 05.809 EXPERT REPORT WHEN THAT IT WAS

02:27 - 07.450 PRECLUDED BY THE TRIAL COURT

02:27 - 08.849 DEFENDANT AND SAY HOLD ON WHAT

02:27 - 10.640 IF WE JUST GOT AN EXPERT TO SAY

02:27 - 12.609 THAT ANY PERSON TO STOP

02:27 - 14.350 DRINKING, YOU KNOW 4 HOURS.

02:27 - 17.299 BEFORE TESTING 0, 1, 8, WOULD

02:27 - 18.909 HAVE HAD. I'M

02:27 - 21.069 ACTUALLY HAD TO BE A SEA OF 0.2

02:27 - 22.959 4 AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT

02:27 - 24.769 HERE SO I PUT THE QUESTION AND

02:27 - 25.770 THIS IS I THOUGHT.

02:27 - 28.409 WHY THE CASE WAS INTERESTING

02:27 - 29.629 FROM THE JURORS PRUDENTIAL

02:27 - 30.650 STANDPOINT IS.

02:27 - 32.599 WHERE IT FALLS ON THE

02:27 - 35.609 CONTINUUM BETWEEN ALICIA AND

02:27 - 36.610 WALKER.

02:27 - 38.729 BECAUSE IF IT'S MORE

02:27 - 41.519 LIKE ALICIA. THEN THAT LEANS

02:27 - 42.839 MORE YOUR DIRECTION BUT IF IT'S

02:27 - 44.879 MORE LIKE WALKER. THAT WOULD

02:27 - 46.389 SEEM TO MORE LEAN IN

02:27 - 48.409 BROWN'S DIRECTION. SO I'M

02:27 - 50.339 INTERESTED IN THE ISSUE

02:27 - 53.679 OF WHY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE

02:27 - 55.669 ABOUT RELATION BACK IN TALKS

02:27 - 57.699 OCCASION IS NOT THE KIND OF

02:27 - 00.609 THING THAT AIDS FACT FINDERS IN

02:28 - 01.630 THIS COMMONWEALTH.

02:28 - 03.879 WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE

02:28 - 05.160 EXPERT OPINIONS OFFERED

02:28 - 08.589 DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY GO TO

02:28 - 09.599 RELATION BACK EVIDENCE

02:28 - 11.229 GENERALLY TO EXPLAIN THE

02:28 - 12.979 HOLDING A WALKER AND HOW THIS

02:28 - 14.709 CASE IS DIFFERENT WALKER JUST

02:28 - 17.240 SIMPLY HELD THAT. THE TRIAL

02:28 - 19.799 IT WAS IT WOULD IT WASN'T A

02:28 - 21.589 PURSE A BAR IT WAS WITHIN THE

02:28 - 23.140 TRIAL COURT'S DISCRETION

02:28 - 25.649 TO ALLOW EXPERT TESTIMONY

02:28 - 28.069 SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE

02:28 - 30.899 RELIABILITY OF EYEWITNESS

02:28 - 32.579 IDENTIFICATIONS BECAUSE THERE

02:28 - 33.510 WERE DEMONSTRATED

02:28 - 34.859 MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE

02:28 - 36.569 INFALLIBILITY JUST ONE BRIEF

02:28 - 37.570 FOLLOW-UP ON

02:28 - 40.409 COULD YOU ANSWER THIS WHAT IS

02:28 - 41.699 IT ABOUT AN EXPERT

02:28 - 43.220 TESTIFYING ABOUT.

02:28 - 45.519 EYEWITNESS IDENTIFICATIONS

02:28 - 45.780 THAT'S

02:28 - 48.700 MORE SCIENTIFIC THEN AN EXPERT

02:28 - 51.019 BLOOD ABOUT BLOOD ALCOHOL

02:28 - 54.039 CONTENT AND TITRATION IN THE

02:28 - 56.079 HUMAN BODY. WHAT I KNOW THAT

02:28 - 57.860 OVER TIME. YES, THE.

02:28 - 59.979 THERE THERE WERE DEMONSTRATED

02:28 - 01.219 MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT

02:29 - 02.630 THE INFALLIBILITY.

02:29 - 04.779 OF EYEWITNESS IDENTIFICATIONS

02:29 - 06.269 MEANING THE AVERAGE LAYPERSON

02:29 - 07.000 WE'VE GOT WELL THEY THEY

02:29 - 08.869 IDENTIFY THAT PERSON AGAIN I

02:29 - 09.730 WOULD I DIDN'T I WOULD BE ABLE

02:29 - 11.069 TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO FOR

02:29 - 12.899 EXAMPLE JUST CAME UP AND ROMNEY

02:29 - 14.049 AND WHAT AN EXPERT CAN OFFER

02:29 - 14.330 THEY'RE

02:29 - 16.149 SAYING THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY

02:29 - 17.909 DEMONSTRATED TO BE UNTRUE AND

02:29 - 19.540 IT'S COUNTER INTUITIVE SCIENCE

02:29 - 22.809 AND IT IS THE SUBJECT OF EXPERT

02:29 - 24.219 TESTIMONY IN LIGHT OF THOSE

02:29 - 25.650 DEMONSTRATING MISCONCEPTIONS

02:29 - 27.529 HERE, IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE

02:29 - 28.849 THAT A DRUNK PERSON

02:29 - 31.509 COULD BE LEBRON COULD FORGET

02:29 - 33.569 WHAT HAPPENED. THEIR THEIR

02:29 - 34.290 MEMORY COULD

02:29 - 36.939 BE UNRELIABLE BUT THE EXPERT

02:29 - 38.139 OPINIONS AGAIN THAT WERE

02:29 - 39.679 OFFERED HERE WENT SPECIFICALLY

02:29 - 40.680 TO SAYING THAT

02:29 - 42.519 HE WOULD HAVE HAD A COMES THIS

02:29 - 44.089 PARTICULAR PERSON WOULD HAVE

02:29 - 45.579 HAD TO CONSUME FAR MORE

02:29 - 47.589 ALCOHOL, THEN HE ADMITTED AND

02:29 - 49.309 WALKER THE EXPERT WAS ONLY

02:29 - 50.480 PERMITTED TO SAY

02:29 - 52.280 WITNESSES GENERALLY.

02:29 - 56.559 ARE THERE I IDENTIFICATIONS ARE

02:29 - 57.610 NOT INFALLIBLE.

02:29 - 00.709 AGAIN THE PROFFERED OPINIONS

02:30 - 02.659 HERE WENT TO HIS PERCEPTION

02:30 - 04.589 JUDGMENT MEMORY INHIBITIONS

02:30 - 05.649 ALWAYS THINGS THAT ARE COMMON

02:30 - 06.930 KNOWLEDGE THAT CAN BE AFFECTED

02:30 - 09.169 BUY ALCOHOL. SO THERE WEREN'T

02:30 - 10.639 ANY DEMONSTRATED MISCONCEPTIONS

02:30 - 11.659 THAT THE AVERAGE LAYPERSON

02:30 - 13.209 WOULD GO FROM PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS

02:30 - 15.200 TRUE. HAVE

02:30 - 19.660 DOES TO YOUR THINKING AT ALL.

02:30 - 22.069 THAT HE WANTED TO PRESENT A

02:30 - 24.789 JUSTIFICATION DEFENSE THAT HE

02:30 - 26.550 HAD TO GRAB THAT GUN

02:30 - 28.869 BECAUSE HE WAS WORRIED THAT

02:30 - 31.029 THIS THIS WILDLY DRUNKEN OR

02:30 - 33.220 RATIONAL. STATE TROOPER

02:30 - 35.459 WITH THAT GO GET GRABBING

02:30 - 37.109 HIMSELF WITH POSSIBLY USE IT

02:30 - 39.749 ON HIM AND THAT HIS DEFENSE WAS

02:30 - 41.279 CONSTRAINED BY THE INABILITY TO

02:30 - 41.680 PUT THIS

02:30 - 42.680 EVIDENCE IT.

02:30 - 44.719 NO YOUR HONOR BECAUSE LIKE I

02:30 - 45.960 WILL FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE IT HERE.

02:30 - 48.259 THE TRIAL COURT THAT IT WOULD

02:30 - 48.660 NOT

02:30 - 50.789 IN THAT A NECESSITY DEFENSE

02:30 - 51.969 WHICH AGAIN IS JUST ONE TYPE OF

02:30 - 53.170 JUSTIFICATION. DEFENSE.

02:30 - 55.369 WAS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE THE

02:30 - 56.370 SUPERIOR COURT AFFIRMED

02:30 - 58.209 ON THAT AND THAT QUESTION WAS

02:30 - 59.849 NOT LEFT OPEN IN THE ALA KART

02:30 - 01.110 OR ORDER HERE BUT.

02:31 - 04.040 THE DEFENSE

02:31 - 06.119 ONE WAS FOR NECESSITIES NOT

02:31 - 07.120 JUST

02:31 - 09.099 JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL

02:31 - 10.369 JUSTIFICATION OFFENSES AND IT

02:31 - 12.129 COULD BE AS DEFENDANTS SAID YOU

02:31 - 13.770 KNOW WHETHER HE WAS REASONABLY.

02:31 - 16.849 IN FEAR OF DANGER THAT'S NOT

02:31 - 18.189 WHAT A NECESSITY DEFENSE MEANS

02:31 - 19.369 HE COULD HAVE HE HAS TO HAVE

02:31 - 20.850 TAKEN THE ONLY

02:31 - 23.349 OPTION. POSSIBLE WHICH IN THIS

02:31 - 24.629 CASE WOULD BE TAKING

02:31 - 27.299 THE GUN. FROM THE COMPLAINANTS

02:31 - 29.539 CAR AND AN

02:31 - 31.999 EXPERT WHO WE DIDN'T WITNESSED

02:31 - 33.489 THAT ONE OF A JUSTIFICATION

02:31 - 34.380 DEFENSE IS GOING TO BE

02:31 - 36.369 DEPENDENT ON THE SPECIFIC FACTS

02:31 - 37.519 OF THE CASE YOU KNOW LIKE WHAT

02:31 - 38.520 ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

02:31 - 40.159 THE COMPLAINING CAN TESTIFY TO

02:31 - 41.549 THAT THE DEFENDING CAN TESTIFY

02:31 - 44.369 TO THAT INTERRUPT AND ASK YOU

02:31 - 46.970 TO EXPERTS THIS IS WHAT EXPERTS

02:31 - 49.059 DO THEY WEREN'T THERE THEY'RE

02:31 - 49.250 NOT

02:31 - 50.420 FACT WITNESSES.

02:31 - 52.879 THIS EXPERT WAS PROFFERED I I

02:31 - 54.209 GUESS AMONG OTHER THINGS TO

02:31 - 56.539 OPINE ON THE PHYSIOLOGICAL

02:31 - 59.289 IMPACT THAT ALCOHOL HAS ON A

02:31 - 01.520 HUMAN BODY AND OVER TIME.

02:32 - 04.099 AND WHY DOES THAT NOT PROVIDE A

02:32 - 06.889 WINDOW FOR THE JURY IF THE JURY

02:32 - 08.460 CHOOSES TO CREDIT.

02:32 - 10.649 WE'RE ON WHAT WAS GOING ON OR

02:32 - 12.060 WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN GOING ON

02:32 - 14.049 AT THE TIME WHY DOESN'T THAT

02:32 - 16.089 GET OVER THE BAR TO

02:32 - 17.090 ADMISSIBILITY.

02:32 - 19.900 AGAIN I DON'T NEED TO BE

02:32 - 21.389 THE OF A SIT HERE WHAT I'M

02:32 - 22.549 SAYING I BELIEVE THE

02:32 - 24.809 EXPERT'S OPINION. CRAWFORD HERE

02:32 - 26.789 DON'T GO TO THAT IF THE EXPERT

02:32 - 28.639 HAD RENDERED OPINION SAYING ANY

02:32 - 31.439 PERSON WHO STOP DRINKING FOR

02:32 - 32.749 HOURS BEFORE ON A

02:32 - 33.879 BREATHALYZER TEST THEY

02:32 - 36.290 REGISTERED 0.18%.

02:32 - 38.499 THE AC WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE A

02:32 - 41.399 SEA OF 0.24% AT THE TIME OF

02:32 - 43.079 THE INCIDENT THAT OPINION THAT

02:32 - 44.519 THAT WOULD BE ADMISSIBLE THEN

02:32 - 46.329 BASED ON THAT DEFENSE COUNSEL

02:32 - 48.049 IN CLOSING COULD ARGUE THAT YOU

02:32 - 49.889 CAN FIND HIM CREDIBLE BECAUSE

02:32 - 51.699 HE MUST HAVE LIED ABOUT HOW

02:32 - 53.049 MANY DRINKS HE HAD THEY'LL BE

02:32 - 54.729 APPROPRIATE TO ARGUE BASED ON

02:32 - 56.650 THAT LIMITED EXPERT OPINION.

02:32 - 58.099 WHAT THE EXPERT WANTED TO DO

02:32 - 00.259 HERE WAS DIRECTLY COMMENT ON

02:33 - 01.979 CREDIBILITY SIMPLY BY SAYING

02:33 - 04.219 USING THE METHODOLOGY OF RETRO

02:33 - 06.100 GREAT GRADE EXTRAPOLATION

02:33 - 07.690 I HAVE TO DO IS THAT THIS

02:33 - 09.149 SPECIFIC PERSON WOULD HAVE HAD

02:33 - 10.590 TO HAVE THIS MANY DRINKS.

02:33 - 14.209 AND AND THAT HE HE ONLY

02:33 - 15.819 ADMITTED TO FEWER AND THAT HIS

02:33 - 17.699 PERCEPTIONS AND MEMORY CAN'T

02:33 - 18.969 BE TRUSTED THAT

02:33 - 20.609 IS INADMISSIBLE AS COMMENTING

02:33 - 21.709 DIRECTLY ON A WITNESS'S

02:33 - 22.820 CREDIBILITY AWAY.

02:33 - 24.340 SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AN

02:33 - 25.909 EXPERT CAN EVER BE OFFERED TO

02:33 - 27.320 CONTRADICT A FACT WITNESS.

02:33 - 30.310 NO ONE AN EXPERT CAN

02:33 - 32.689 HAS BEEN DONE SO IN

02:33 - 35.469 CASES WHERE TO THIS IN

02:33 - 38.069 THIS CASE, THE POLICE OFFICER I

02:33 - 39.380 HAD 3 BEERS.

02:33 - 41.909 AND WHEN EXPERTS NOT

02:33 - 43.290 PERMITTED TO COME IN AND SAY

02:33 - 45.839 BASED ON MY SCIENTIFIC STAFF

02:33 - 48.040 STUDY MY REVIEW, MY THING IT.

02:33 - 50.429 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. YOU'RE SAYING

02:33 - 51.899 THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S

02:33 - 53.299 ATTACKING HIS CREDIBILITY YEARS

02:33 - 54.459 THAT SIMPLY OFFERING A CON

02:33 - 55.719 TRICK FACTUAL NARRATIVE FOR THE

02:33 - 56.760 JURY TO EMBRACE.

02:33 - 59.309 IT WOULD BE BUT THAT THAT WAS

02:33 - 00.310 NOT.

02:34 - 03.199 OFFERED AND WAS NOT BASED ON

02:34 - 04.489 WHAT THE EXPERTS SAID THAT HE

02:34 - 07.129 REVIEWED WHICH I I THINK THAT I

02:34 - 09.009 I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT I I I

02:34 - 10.499 HAVE I HAVE HAD A HARD TIME

02:34 - 11.500 GRASPING.

02:34 - 13.259 THE MOVEMENT OF OF THE

02:34 - 14.830 APPELLANTS THEORIES HERE

02:34 - 16.209 BUT BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO

02:34 - 17.880 UNDERSTAND THAT AN EXPERT KEN.

02:34 - 22.389 THE JURY TEST. YES AND BASED

02:34 - 23.390 OFF OF THAT

02:34 - 24.619 DEFENSE COUNSEL CAN MAKE AN

02:34 - 26.309 ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW THAT GOES TO

02:34 - 27.749 CREDIBILITY BUT WOULD HAVE TO

02:34 - 28.570 BE LIMITED TO CERTAIN

02:34 - 30.269 GENERALIZATIONS WHICH ARE NOT

02:34 - 31.749 HOW THESE EXPERT OPINIONS HERE

02:34 - 32.750 WHERE FRAMES.

02:34 - 34.630 AS GENERALIZATIONS

02:34 - 37.319 SO ON THAT BASIS WALKER'S

02:34 - 38.749 DIFFERENT ON ON THE BASIS OF

02:34 - 40.079 THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE

02:34 - 41.770 EXPERT OPINION WHICH HERE IS

02:34 - 44.650 ALCOHOL AS OPPOSED TO.

02:34 - 46.569 DEMONSTRATED MISCONCEPTIONS

02:34 - 47.819 ABOUT. THE

02:34 - 49.830 EYEWITNESS IDENTIFICATIONS.

02:34 - 51.650 IT'S.

02:34 - 53.879 THIS THIS REALLY ALL JUST GOES

02:34 - 55.759 TO CREDIBILITY WHICH IS CAT

02:34 - 56.030 ISN'T

02:34 - 57.150 EVERY CASE.

02:34 - 59.059 ULTIMATELY COME DOWN TO

02:34 - 01.089 CREDIBILITY IS THAT YOU'RE

02:35 - 02.600 EVENTUALLY GOING TO THE SIDE

02:35 - 03.990 WHO'S TELLING THE TRUTH.

02:35 - 05.439 YEAH, AND IT'S THE JURY'S

02:35 - 06.150 EXCLUSIVE

02:35 - 08.119 PROVINCE TOO DETERMINED THAT

02:35 - 09.469 AND OWN EXPERTS PROVIDE

02:35 - 10.939 TESTIMONY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO

02:35 - 12.439 MAKE THAT DEDUCTION. YES

02:35 - 14.009 EXPERTS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE

02:35 - 15.169 TESTIMONY OR ARE ALLOWED TO

02:35 - 17.289 GIVE TESTIMONY FROM WHICH IT

02:35 - 18.749 CAN BE ARGUED OR FROM WHICH THE

02:35 - 20.450 JURY MAY IN FOR.

02:35 - 23.029 AND OPINION OF THE

02:35 - 25.569 WITNESSES CREDIBILITY. IN

02:35 - 27.219 ANOTHER CASE WHERE A DIFFERENT

02:35 - 29.539 OPINION WAS OFFERED. UNLIKE THE

02:35 - 30.540 CASE HERE.

02:35 - 34.629 IF YOUR HONOR'S HAVE NO FURTHER

02:35 - 35.709 QUESTIONS WE WOULD JUST ASK

02:35 - 37.939 THE EU FROM DEFENDANTS JUDGMENT

02:35 - 39.569 OF SENTENCE. THANK YOU THANK

02:35 - 40.570 YOU.

02:35 - 42.900 THE 4TH CASE YOU'RE

02:35 - 44.169 GOING TO HEAR IS CALLED

02:35 - 45.919 GIBRALTAR ROCK VERSUS THE

02:35 - 47.539 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF

02:35 - 49.050 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

02:35 - 50.869 THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL APPEAL.

02:35 - 53.069 THIS IS A CIVIL APPEAL, AND IT

02:35 - 55.010 STEMS FROM THESE FACTS IN

02:35 - 56.750 2005. THE

02:35 - 58.389 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF

02:35 - 00.239 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ISSUED

02:36 - 02.479 PERMITS ALLOWING THE PLANE TO

02:36 - 05.109 OF GIBRALTAR TO OPERATE A ROCK

02:36 - 06.930 QUARRY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

02:36 - 09.209 THE TOWNSHIP WHERE THE COREY

02:36 - 11.829 IS LOCATED. LATER DISCOVERED

02:36 - 13.889 CONTAMINATED GROUNDWATER IN A

02:36 - 16.209 PROPERTY ADJACENT TO NEXT DOOR

02:36 - 17.310 TO THE CORE.

02:36 - 21.099 THE EPA TRACE,

02:36 - 22.789 THOSE CONTAMINANTS TO THIS

02:36 - 25.039 NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND IT

02:36 - 27.269 INITIALLY RENEWED GIBRALTAR'S

02:36 - 30.179 PERMITS. SO LONG AS GIBRALTAR

02:36 - 32.229 MONITORED THE GROUND WATER FROM

02:36 - 34.310 A CONTAMINATED SITE NEXT STORE

02:36 - 35.910 AND TOOK OTHER MEASURES.

02:36 - 38.560 THE TOWNSHIP APPEALED

02:36 - 40.379 THE GRANTING OF THOSE PERMITS

02:36 - 41.670 TO OPERATE TO COREY

02:36 - 42.850 TO WHAT'S CALLED THE

02:36 - 44.469 PENNSYLVANIA ENVIRONMENTAL

02:36 - 45.849 HEARING BOARD THAT IS

02:36 - 47.499 THE BOARD THAT HEARS APPEALS

02:36 - 48.719 FROM DECISIONS OF THE

02:36 - 49.869 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL

02:36 - 50.870 PROTECTION.

02:36 - 53.229 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD

02:36 - 54.970 RESCINDED THE PERMITS

02:36 - 57.229 TO GIBRALTAR TO OPERATE TO CORY

02:36 - 57.640 BECAUSE

02:36 - 59.829 PUMPING WATER IN THE COREY

02:36 - 01.299 COULD DRAW THE CONTAMINATED

02:37 - 02.469 WATER ONTO THE

02:37 - 05.379 COREY SITE. THE BOARD ALSO HOW

02:37 - 07.660 THAT GIBRALTAR COULD REAPPLY

02:37 - 09.469 FOR NEW PERMITS IF THE

02:37 - 10.709 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL

02:37 - 12.529 PROTECTION REMEDIATED THE

02:37 - 13.630 NEIGHBORING SITE.

02:37 - 15.759 GIBRALTAR APPEALED TO THE

02:37 - 17.449 COMMONWEALTH COURT. THE

02:37 - 18.949 COMMONWEALTH COURT IS ANOTHER

02:37 - 20.599 COURT THAT SITS BETWEEN TRIAL

02:37 - 22.480 COURTS AND THE SUPREME COURT.

02:37 - 25.529 AND THE COMMONWEALTH COURT HELD

02:37 - 26.340 THAT THE BOARD

02:37 - 28.879 ERRED IN TYING GIBRALTAR'S

02:37 - 30.830 ABILITY TO OPERATE ITS QUARRY.

02:37 - 33.839 TO THE D E P'S REMEDIATION OF

02:37 - 36.079 THE NEIGHBORING SITE. ACCORDING

02:37 - 36.230 TO THE

02:37 - 37.809 COMMONWEALTH COURT. THIS

02:37 - 39.889 ALLOWED D E P TO CONTROL

02:37 - 42.059 GIBRALTAR'S PROPERTY WITHOUT

02:37 - 43.870 DUE PROCESS OF LAW.

02:37 - 45.739 THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOW

02:37 - 47.069 ALLOWED AN APPEAL FROM THE

02:37 - 48.580 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD.

02:37 - 49.990 2.

02:37 - 52.629 DETERMINED WHETHER THE

02:37 - 55.139 PROPER THE A COMMONWEALTH COURT

02:37 - 55.900 PROPERLY

02:37 - 58.689 OVER TURNED. THE BOARD'S

02:37 - 01.199 PRECISION OF THE PERMITS ISSUED

02:38 - 03.539 TO GIBRALTAR TO OPERATE ITS ROB

02:38 - 05.319 CORRY SO NOW LET'S GO TO THE

02:38 - 06.170 COURTROOM TO HEAR THE

02:38 - 08.210 ARGUMENTS. THE COMMONWEALTH

02:38 - 11.099 FIRST THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING

02:38 - 12.979 BOARD DECISION TO ORDER AND

02:38 - 14.639 DIRECTED THAT TO BE A REAL MAN

02:38 - 15.080 TO THE

02:38 - 16.080 E P.

02:38 - 18.059 THE E P AND MULTIPLE

02:38 - 19.609 INTERVENE ERS WHO ARE

02:38 - 20.130 REPRESENTED

02:38 - 22.279 HERE TODAY APPEAL TO THIS COURT

02:38 - 23.499 ARE YOU IN THE COMMONWEALTH

02:38 - 26.299 COURT HEARD FIRING FOR SEEING

02:38 - 27.679 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD

02:38 - 29.099 DECISION WITHOUT PREJUDICE

02:38 - 30.759 ORDER AND DIRECTING

02:38 - 33.049 THE MATTER. IT ARGUED THAT THE

02:38 - 33.710 MANSION, BUT WE

02:38 - 37.079 MAN UP TO BARTER IN D E P

02:38 - 38.669 INTERESTINGLY BOTH ASSERT THAT

02:38 - 39.870 THE COMMONWEALTH COURT

02:38 - 43.029 3RD, A SPA DAY RAISING AND

02:38 - 43.700 DECIDING

02:38 - 45.489 MARKETABLE ISSUES THAT WERE

02:38 - 47.279 NEVER PROPERLY PRESERVED FOR

02:38 - 47.640 REVIEW

02:38 - 49.999 BEFORE IT. THE LOCAL ENTITIES

02:38 - 51.170 TO INTERVENE ERS.

02:38 - 55.079 DID NOT TAKE ANY POSITION ON

02:38 - 57.289 PRESERVATION BUT DID. HE'S

02:38 - 58.799 ARGUED THE MERITS OF THOSE

02:38 - 59.800 QUESTIONS.

02:39 - 01.339 SO WITH THAT

02:39 - 03.209 UNUSUAL PROCEDURE UP LAST YEAR

02:39 - 04.809 WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT THE

02:39 - 07.199 PARTIES AT LEAST ARGUE THAT THE

02:39 - 08.539 SEIZURE WITHOUT PREJUDICE

02:39 - 10.250 VERSUS THE AN ISSUE

02:39 - 13.389 AND THEN IF YOU WANT DISCUSS

02:39 - 14.979 WHETHER THE OTHER ISSUES ARE

02:39 - 17.319 PRESERVED FOR REVIEW ANY PARTY

02:39 - 19.419 CAN KID ARE YOU

02:39 - 20.809 PREPARED PRESERVATION REVIEW

02:39 - 22.640 AND THE MERITS. HOWEVER.

02:39 - 24.200 TIME IS

02:39 - 25.949 LIMITED AND IT'S ENTIRELY

02:39 - 27.879 PROPER TO RESTED YOUR BRIEFS

02:39 - 29.229 FOR ANY OF THESE ARGUMENTS THAT

02:39 - 29.350 YOU

02:39 - 31.099 WANT TO SO AGAIN WITH THAT

02:39 - 32.589 SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL PROCEDURE,

02:39 - 34.139 POSH TREES WE FIND OURSELVES

02:39 - 34.410 TAKING

02:39 - 36.089 THE CASE FROM THE COMMONWEALTH

02:39 - 37.479 COURT MS. MURPHY FEEL FREE TO

02:39 - 39.369 GO AHEAD. WE CERTAINLY THANK

02:39 - 41.599 YOU YOUR MARGARET MURPHY

02:39 - 42.739 REPRESENT THE COMMONWEALTH, THE

02:39 - 43.909 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF

02:39 - 45.050 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

02:39 - 46.759 THE PARENTS ARE SPLITTING OUR

02:39 - 48.699 TIME I HAD PLANNED TO

02:39 - 49.969 ADDRESS THE COMMONWEALTH

02:39 - 50.850 COURT'S PROCEDURAL AND

02:39 - 52.419 SUBSTANTIVE ERRORS ALL SORT OF

02:39 - 54.279 PUT THAT SECOND. AND I WILL

02:39 - 56.769 TALK ABOUT WHY DREAM AND TO THE

02:39 - 58.349 DEEP HE WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE

02:39 - 58.460 AT

02:39 - 02.339 THIS POINT. THE FIRST NEW AND

02:40 - 04.009 REBEL WHY WILL ARGUE ON BEHALF

02:40 - 05.069 OF THE TOWNSHIPS AND AND

02:40 - 06.589 CITIZENS AND HE HAD PLANNED TO

02:40 - 08.019 ADDRESS BUT MAY HE MAY ALSO

02:40 - 09.190 TURN KATE HIS ARGUMENTS.

02:40 - 12.349 WHY THE FOCUS OF THE

02:40 - 13.749 COMMONWEALTH COURT ON THE HOP

02:40 - 14.580 THE SEASIDE IS A

02:40 - 17.329 RED HERRING THE HP WAS CORRECT

02:40 - 18.809 IN ITS ANALYSIS OF ARTICLE ONE

02:40 - 20.679 SECTION 27 OF THE PENNSYLVANIA

02:40 - 22.849 CONSTITUTION. WHY RESCISSION IS

02:40 - 24.750 A REASONABLE REMEDY HERE

02:40 - 26.759 AND ABOUT HIS FAILURE TO

02:40 - 28.520 ADDRESS ANY OF THE 8 QUESTIONS

02:40 - 30.109 THAT WERE ALLOWED BY THIS

02:40 - 31.839 COURT. SO I WILL TURN TO THE

02:40 - 34.619 END MY AND THEN I WILL COME

02:40 - 36.809 BACK TO THE DISCUSSION I WANTED

02:40 - 37.740 TO GO THROUGH RELATED

02:40 - 39.829 TO WHY. THE

02:40 - 41.439 COMMONWEALTH DECISION ALSO

02:40 - 43.159 PROBLEMATIC FOR THE DEPARTMENT

02:40 - 44.339 OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND

02:40 - 45.769 WHY WE'RE TAKING THE UNUSUAL

02:40 - 46.770 POSITION.

02:40 - 49.449 HERE I'M ASKING THIS COURT TO

02:40 - 50.679 REINSTATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:40 - 50.970 HEARING

02:40 - 53.209 BOARD DECISION THAT REJECTED

02:40 - 55.529 BP'S ISSUANCE OF THE PERMITS WE

02:40 - 56.989 RECOGNIZE THIS IS AN UNUSUAL

02:40 - 57.990 POSTURE.

02:41 - 03.550 AND WOULD

02:41 - 06.799 BE UNPRODUCTIVE 2 DIFFERENT FOR

02:41 - 08.029 EVERY MAN TO THE DEPARTMENT BE

02:41 - 09.989 UNPRODUCTIVE AT THIS POINT IN

02:41 - 12.259 TIME BECAUSE THE UNCONTESTED

02:41 - 13.339 FACTS FOUND BY THE

02:41 - 14.720 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD.

02:41 - 18.189 ARE THE GIBRALTAR FAILED TO

02:41 - 20.100 MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS

02:41 - 22.100 TO QUALIFY FOR A PERMIT.

02:41 - 23.539 THEY FAILED TO MAKE THE

02:41 - 25.959 SPECIAL DEMONSTRATION. THAT

02:41 - 28.549 OPERATION OF THEIR QUARRY WOULD

02:41 - 30.319 NOT CAUSE POLLUTION. THE

02:41 - 31.560 COUNCIL THAT.

02:41 - 34.899 LET ME LET ME JUMP IN I THINK

02:41 - 35.900 THAT IS AN INTERESTING

02:41 - 36.900 QUESTION.

02:41 - 39.359 ABOUT WHETHER THE CORING

02:41 - 41.419 OPERATION WOULD CAUSE POLLUTION

02:41 - 42.780 TO THE CORING SITE

02:41 - 45.259 PARTICULARLY WHEN POLLUTION WAS

02:41 - 46.649 ALREADY SEEPING TOWARD THAT

02:41 - 48.579 SITE AND I THINK THE TESTIMONY

02:41 - 49.589 ON WHICH THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:41 - 51.569 HEARING BOARD. WE'RE LIVE SAID

02:41 - 53.119 IT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE AND

02:41 - 54.359 EVENTUALLY GO ON TO THAT SITE

02:41 - 55.519 TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS

02:41 - 56.520 PERMIT T

02:41 - 57.819 WHAT'S GOING TO ACTUAL CAUSE

02:41 - 58.730 POLLUTION THAT WAS GOING TO

02:41 - 00.639 HAPPEN ANYWAY. I THINK IT'S A

02:42 - 01.990 VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.

02:42 - 04.229 THERE WAS NO APPEAL TO THE

02:42 - 05.439 COMMONWEALTH COURT FROM THE HP

02:42 - 06.100 DECISION IN

02:42 - 08.189 THAT REGARD. SO SO WE DON'T

02:42 - 09.900 REALLY GET TO GET TO THAT.

02:42 - 12.900 ON THE RE MAN VS.

02:42 - 14.380 THE.

02:42 - 15.909 RESCISSION WITHOUT

02:42 - 18.009 PRESENT PREJUDICE ISN'T OUR

02:42 - 19.199 REVIEW IN THE COMMONWEALTH

02:42 - 20.369 COURAGE, YOU JUST A SIMPLE

02:42 - 21.450 ABUSE OF DISCRETION,

02:42 - 23.729 WHETHER THE DH BE ABUSED ITS

02:42 - 26.890 DISCRETION IN. RE SENDING.

02:42 - 28.679 I GUESS IT WAS A RESCISSION IN

02:42 - 29.719 ANY EVENT THE QUESTION IS

02:42 - 30.889 WHETHER IT WAS JUST A DISMISSAL

02:42 - 31.890 OR RE MAN.

02:42 - 34.200 WHY ARE WE WHY

02:42 - 34.570 WOULD WE.

02:42 - 36.499 WHAT WHAT BASES COULD WE

02:42 - 38.769 POSSIBLY CONCLUDE THAT A RE A

02:42 - 40.039 RESCISSION AND NOT REMAIN WAS

02:42 - 41.119 AN ABUSE OF DISCRETION BY THE

02:42 - 42.160 ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE BORED.

02:42 - 43.180 I DON'T THINK YOU COULD

02:42 - 45.619 CONCLUDE THAT RESCISSION WAS AN

02:42 - 46.789 ABUSE OF DISCRETION BY THE

02:42 - 48.249 ENVIRONMENT POINT. THE

02:42 - 49.839 DEPARTMENT AGREES THE

02:42 - 51.089 RESCISSION IS THE APPROPRIATE

02:42 - 52.010 REMEDY. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M

02:42 - 53.469 ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WHAT

02:42 - 54.549 I'M TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE

02:42 - 55.859 NUB OF THE ISSUE THAT THAT I

02:42 - 56.969 THINK THE CHIEF JUSTICE WANT

02:42 - 59.019 YOU TO ADDRESS WHICH IS IF THIS

02:42 - 00.369 CASE BOILS DOWN TO SIMPLY

02:43 - 02.289 A REMEDY WITH THAT IN THE

02:43 - 03.409 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD WAS

02:43 - 05.030 EMPOWERED TO DO BOTH.

02:43 - 07.129 WE'RE REVIEWING IT FOR AN ABUSE

02:43 - 07.970 OF DISCRETION WHICH IS

02:43 - 09.659 INCREDIBLY DEFERENTIAL RIGHT

02:43 - 12.779 RIGHT OK SO IS THERE YOUR YOUR

02:43 - 14.220 VIEW OF IT IS THERE'S NO

02:43 - 15.659 THERE'S NO POSSIBLE REASON HOW

02:43 - 17.129 WE EXERCISING ARE DEFERENTIAL

02:43 - 18.070 STANDARD FOR REVIEW COULD

02:43 - 19.629 CONCLUDE THAT THE HB ABUSED ITS

02:43 - 22.110 DISCRETION. CORRECT. YES.

02:43 - 24.320 AND THE PROBLEM FOR THE

02:43 - 26.069 DEPARTMENT IS THAT WE'RE BOUND

02:43 - 26.870 BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

02:43 - 27.370 HEARING

02:43 - 29.049 BOARD'S FINDING THAT

02:43 - 30.709 GIBRALTAR'S OPERATION OF THE

02:43 - 31.719 COREY WOULD MAKE THE

02:43 - 34.369 POLLUTION WORSE. WE'RE BOUND BY

02:43 - 36.319 THOSE FINDINGS WERE BOUND GET

02:43 - 39.089 AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND

02:43 - 41.139 THAT BUT I THINK AGAIN THERE'S

02:43 - 42.149 AN INTERESTING QUESTION AS

02:43 - 44.479 TO WHETHER THE CORING OPERATION

02:43 - 45.450 WOULD HAVE MADE THE POLLUTION

02:43 - 46.529 WORSE OR WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY

02:43 - 47.779 ABATED BEFORE DEPARTMENT

02:43 - 49.059 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION GOT TO

02:43 - 50.509 DOING IT. BUT I AND THOSE

02:43 - 51.929 ISSUES WERE NOT APPEALED THOSE

02:43 - 53.129 WISHES WERE NOT APPEALED AND

02:43 - 54.509 WE'RE BOUND BY AND I THINK

02:43 - 55.040 THEIR FINDINGS

02:43 - 56.409 OF FACT I COULD FIND THEM FOR

02:43 - 57.380 YOU I BELIEVE THEIR FINDINGS OF

02:43 - 00.779 FACT, 201220132014. IN WHICH

02:44 - 01.929 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING

02:44 - 04.129 BOARD. LET ME FIND THIS WAY AND

02:44 - 05.370 WHICH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING

02:44 - 07.749 SPECIFICALLY CONCLUDED SORT OF

02:44 - 09.379 THAT ADDITIONAL POINT THAT YES

02:44 - 10.020 IT'S COMING TO

02:44 - 12.229 THE COREY. BUT OPERATION OF THE

02:44 - 13.689 COREY PUMPING OF THE

02:44 - 15.999 GROUNDWATER FOR THE OPERATION

02:44 - 16.610 OF THE COURT

02:44 - 17.780 WOULD MAKE THAT

02:44 - 19.649 POLLUTION WORSENED AND WOULD

02:44 - 21.479 CAUSE POLLUTION TO AREAS THAT

02:44 - 23.290 ARE NOT CURRENTLY POLLUTED.

02:44 - 25.539 SO IT. THE DEPARTMENT OF

02:44 - 26.579 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS

02:44 - 26.840 BOUND

02:44 - 29.999 BY THAT. THERE WAS NO TO

02:44 - 32.019 COMMONWEALTH COURT REGARDING

02:44 - 33.730 WHETHER OR NOT THOSE MINE

02:44 - 36.239 FLORIDA, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT

02:44 - 37.220 YOU, BUT YOU KEEP SAYING YOU'RE

02:44 - 38.560 BOUND BY THAT BUT.

02:44 - 41.309 IF THERE WOULD NOT THAT THERE

02:44 - 42.829 WAS NO RECORD EVIDENCE

02:44 - 44.779 SUPPORTING THAT CONCLUSION YOU

02:44 - 46.389 PRECLUDED FROM TAKING APPEAL TO

02:44 - 47.499 THIS COURT ARE

02:44 - 48.430 YOU DOING THAT THE

02:44 - 50.030 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD

02:44 - 52.319 WE MADE AN ERROR OF LAW OR AN

02:44 - 54.239 ABUSE OF DISCRETION BY ADOPTING

02:44 - 55.359 FINDINGS OF FACTS THAT WOULD

02:44 - 56.360 SUPPORT IT.

02:44 - 58.499 IN GENERAL IT'S HARD TO

02:44 - 59.639 ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I

02:44 - 01.459 THINK THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR AND

02:45 - 02.669 PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR THE

02:45 - 04.579 DEPARTMENT WAS THAT DURING THE

02:45 - 06.979 DE NOVO HEARING EVIDENCE

02:45 - 08.879 WAS PRESENTED 2 THE INBOUND OR

02:45 - 09.880 HEARING BOARD

02:45 - 11.619 THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE

02:45 - 12.709 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL

02:45 - 14.419 PROTECTION. EVIDENCE THAT WAS

02:45 - 15.250 VERY COMPELLING

02:45 - 17.349 AND PERSUASIVE FURTHER THE

02:45 - 18.599 THERE WAS THAT ENDS AND THE

02:45 - 19.959 DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY CHANGED HIS

02:45 - 21.909 POSITION RIGHT ISSUED A GRANT

02:45 - 23.539 TO TODAY DOESN'T CONTEST THAT

02:45 - 24.889 THE CREATION OF BEEN VACATED

02:45 - 25.280 RIGHT.

02:45 - 26.300 AND IN THE COUNCIL

02:45 - 28.039 THAT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN

02:45 - 29.499 DEPARTMENT NEVER HIRED ITS OWN

02:45 - 30.849 EXPERT, THEY RELIED

02:45 - 31.850 ON THE.

02:45 - 33.110 EXPERT OF

02:45 - 35.609 CORNERING OPERATION THAT'S

02:45 - 36.330 CORRECT AND THAT WAS THE

02:45 - 37.969 FINDING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:45 - 40.419 HEARING BOARD THAT THAT AN

02:45 - 42.349 ABROGATION OF RESPONSIBILITY

02:45 - 43.739 SEND YOU THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:45 - 44.769 RIGHTS AMENDMENT. THAT'S

02:45 - 45.770 CORRECT.

02:45 - 47.239 WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE

02:45 - 48.240 DEPARTMENT

02:45 - 50.589 THE JEEP, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE

02:45 - 52.190 MONEY TO HIRE ITS OWN EXPERT.

02:45 - 54.249 I CAN SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION

02:45 - 55.389 AND I DON'T THINK THAT QUESTION

02:45 - 56.819 WAS ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY BY

02:45 - 57.680 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING

02:45 - 59.469 BOARD. WE HAVE LIMITED

02:45 - 01.049 RESOURCES AND FUNDS AND WE HAVE

02:46 - 02.249 TO ALLOCATE TO

02:46 - 04.159 THE PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF

02:46 - 05.479 PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND

02:46 - 07.380 SAFETY FOR THIS PARTICULAR

02:46 - 09.969 HAZARDOUS CLEANUP SITE WE HAD

02:46 - 12.050 SPENT THAT MONEY TO CONNECT

02:46 - 13.999 IMPACTED RESIDENTS TO A

02:46 - 16.929 WATER LINE. SO THE RESOURCES

02:46 - 18.269 THAT THE DEPARTMENT DID HAVE WE

02:46 - 19.519 PUT TOWARDS ABATING THE

02:46 - 20.899 IMMEDIATE THREATS TO PUBLIC

02:46 - 21.900 HEALTH AND SAFETY.

02:46 - 24.810 I THINK THERE WAS

02:46 - 25.810 ANOTHER QUESTION.

02:46 - 27.679 YOU JUST DESCRIBED MY MY ONLY

02:46 - 30.059 THING WAS THE THE WHAT WAS

02:46 - 31.809 BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT WAS A

02:46 - 32.860 PERMIT APPLICATION.

02:46 - 34.360 AND.

02:46 - 35.590 THE DEPARTMENT GETS PERMIT

02:46 - 37.379 APPLICATIONS. RELATIVELY

02:46 - 39.220 FREQUENTLY AND DOESN'T HIRE

02:46 - 40.619 OUTSIDE EXPERTS FOR EVERY

02:46 - 41.949 PERMIT APPLICATION RIVER THE

02:46 - 43.049 PERMIT APPLICATION YOU HAVE

02:46 - 44.319 INTERNAL PEOPLE THAT REVIEW THE

02:46 - 45.399 CONTENT OF THE APPLICATION

02:46 - 46.869 CRACKED THAT'S CORRECT THAT'S

02:46 - 48.919 CORRECT. IN THIS CASE THOUGH NO

02:46 - 50.590 I'M SORRY I THINK YOU.

02:46 - 52.800 WE HAD A VERY FINE JOB ON THE

02:46 - 54.779 ISSUE THAT'S PRINCE ALI BEFORE

02:46 - 56.749 US. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO

02:46 - 58.029 COMMENT AT ALL AN ISSUE

02:46 - 59.649 PRESERVATION, THE MERITS OF ALL

02:46 - 00.380 THESE COLLATERAL

02:47 - 02.549 ISSUES THAT AT LEAST FROM MY

02:47 - 03.899 READING THAT THE COMMONWEALTH

02:47 - 05.249 COURT I THINK EVERYBODY'S

02:47 - 06.769 REALLY COME OF QUICK TO SPOT

02:47 - 08.819 THEY RAISED TO IT ARE YOU DOING

02:47 - 09.820 THIS. I DID.

02:47 - 11.779 I THINK THE ONE ISSUE I WOULD

02:47 - 13.119 LIKE TO BUT

02:47 - 14.539 TO RAISE TO THE COURT IN MY

02:47 - 15.600 TIME RIGHT NOW.

02:47 - 18.079 AN OTHERWISE REST ON THE

02:47 - 19.370 ARGUMENTS MADE IN OUR BRIEFS

02:47 - 22.179 IS THE CONSEQUENCE

02:47 - 23.819 OF THE COMMONWEALTH COURT'S

02:47 - 25.399 DISCUSSION OF THE FACT THAT

02:47 - 27.439 TAKINGS ARTICLE ONE SECTION 27

02:47 - 29.219 AND THEN ON COAL ACT WE ARE

02:47 - 31.649 REALLY PROBLEMATIC. AND SO

02:47 - 33.189 WE REQUEST THAT THE

02:47 - 35.019 COMMONWEALTH COURT DECISION BE

02:47 - 37.319 REVERSED. AND THOSE ERRORS BE

02:47 - 39.759 CORRECTED. WE ALREADY HAVE

02:47 - 41.890 LITIGANTS WHO ARE CITING

02:47 - 44.179 THE GIBRALTAR COMMONWEALTH

02:47 - 46.319 COURT DECISION IN THE APPEALS.

02:47 - 48.219 WE'RE RECEIVING WE HAVE MORE

02:47 - 48.350 THAN

02:47 - 50.829 20 APPEALS PENDING. BEFORE JUST

02:47 - 51.949 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD

02:47 - 53.039 AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE

02:47 - 54.439 APPEALS BEFORE. THE

02:47 - 55.519 COMMONWEALTH COURT AND THIS

02:47 - 57.319 COURT RELATED TO ARTICLE ONE

02:47 - 00.899 SECTION 27. AND THE ERROR OF

02:48 - 02.649 THE COMMONWEALTH COURT'S

02:48 - 05.389 CONCLUSION. PARTICULARLY THAT

02:48 - 08.039 FAILURE TO INCLUDE GIBRALTAR

02:48 - 09.729 FAILURE TO ISSUE A PERMIT TO

02:48 - 11.449 GIBRALTAR TO ALLOW THEM TO

02:48 - 14.019 UNDERTAKE A COREY OPERATION SO

02:48 - 15.949 THEY CAN HELP WITH CLEANUP MAY

02:48 - 18.160 VIOLATE ARTICLE ONE SECTION 27.

02:48 - 21.309 IS EXTRAORDINARY. DOESN'T

02:48 - 21.770 FOLLOW

02:48 - 23.959 THIS COURT'S PRECEDENT IN THE

02:48 - 26.039 PDF CASES OR IN ROBINSON

02:48 - 27.849 TOWNSHIP IN HIS PROBABLY

02:48 - 29.330 CONTRARY TO THOSE CASES,

02:48 - 31.069 THERE'S NO FACTUAL RECORD THAT

02:48 - 32.080 SUPPORTS THIS.

02:48 - 34.249 PERHAPS OFF AND A STATEMENT BY

02:48 - 34.860 THE COMMONWEALTH

02:48 - 36.839 COURT NONETHELESS IT'S BEING

02:48 - 39.109 CITED BY LITIGANTS AND WE NEED

02:48 - 40.489 TO HAVE THAT CORRECTED THAT'S

02:48 - 42.639 IN PART WHY WE SAW IT APPEAL TO

02:48 - 43.640 THIS COURT.

02:48 - 46.670 SO IF THE COURT THIS COURT.

02:48 - 48.680 BESIDES THE.

02:48 - 51.699 A DISMISSAL VERSUS REALLY

02:48 - 53.819 AN ISSUE AND OTHERWISE WE

02:48 - 55.460 VERSUS THE COMMONWEALTH COURT

02:48 - 57.719 DOES THAT SATISFY BP'S

02:48 - 59.870 THE AIR YOU KEEP THESE NEEDS.

02:49 - 01.849 I THINK IF THE REVERSAL IS

02:49 - 02.850 CLEAR

02:49 - 05.449 AND COMMUNICATING FROM A

02:49 - 07.499 PRESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE BUT

02:49 - 08.519 BECAUSE OF THE COMMONWEALTH

02:49 - 10.160 COURT CAN'T BE RELIED ON.

02:49 - 11.809 WOULD BE CLEAR IN YOUR MIND

02:49 - 13.759 IF WE VACATED THAT THAT PORTION

02:49 - 14.630 OF THE CALL OF THE COURT'S

02:49 - 15.630 OPINION.

02:49 - 17.229 I THINK SO IF THE

02:49 - 18.929 PRECEDENTIAL EFFECT IS THAT IT

02:49 - 20.689 DOESN'T EXISTING CAN'T BE

02:49 - 22.579 RELIED ON WE TRIED VERY HARD TO

02:49 - 23.580 BE CLEAR

02:49 - 27.379 THANK YOU. NO ARGUMENT HELP SO

02:49 - 29.969 I THINK REST ON MY BRIEFS WITH

02:49 - 31.449 REGARD TO THE OTHER ISSUES AND

02:49 - 33.030 JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST

02:49 - 36.739 THE COME WHAT THAT THAT THIS

02:49 - 37.979 HONORABLE COURT REVERSE THE

02:49 - 40.119 COMMONWEALTH COURT. THEY KATE

02:49 - 41.580 WILL REVERSE ARE CORRECT.

02:49 - 43.889 THE ERRORS IN THE COMMONWEALTH

02:49 - 46.319 COURT'S DECISION AND REINSTATE

02:49 - 47.429 THE ORDER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:49 - 48.430 HEARING BOARD.

02:49 - 52.369 AGAIN APOLOGIZE FOR MY PART

02:49 - 54.260 THERE IS NO NEED. THANK YOU.

02:49 - 57.679 MISTER THAT WAR WHEN ARE YOU

02:49 - 58.680 NEXT.

02:50 - 02.349 AFTERNOON AND REBEL ARMY HALF

02:50 - 04.299 OF NEW HANOVER TOWNSHIP AS WELL

02:50 - 06.269 AS ARGUING ON BEHALF OF WHAT

02:50 - 07.780 CITIZENS GROUP AND THE QUARRY.

02:50 - 09.899 I'M AS I WAS

02:50 - 11.529 WAITING OUTSIDE HIS ALL THE

02:50 - 13.269 CHILDREN OUTSIDE VISITING, I'M

02:50 - 14.659 REMINDED WHEN MY MOTHER TOOK ME

02:50 - 16.399 DOWN THE LIBERTY BELL AND

02:50 - 17.400 INDEPENDENCE HALL.

02:50 - 17.900 FROM THAT

02:50 - 18.900 GREAT MEMORIES.

02:50 - 20.929 BUT YOU CAN SEE IS THAT THE

02:50 - 22.309 CHILDREN ARE HECKLING US

02:50 - 23.310 THROUGH

02:50 - 27.989 BUT I APPRECIATE THE

02:50 - 30.119 OPPORTUNITY TO ARE YOU IN THESE

02:50 - 32.379 HALLOWED HALLS AND THANKFUL TO

02:50 - 33.780 BE PART OF THE CELEBRATION OF

02:50 - 35.599 THE PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT

02:50 - 36.659 CELEBRATING SELF AS AN

02:50 - 38.529 INDEPENDENT COURT. WELL IT'S

02:50 - 39.639 FITTING THAT YOU CHOSE THIS

02:50 - 41.990 CASE TO BE ARGUED. HERE TODAY

02:50 - 45.229 IN THAT IT WE'RE CLOSE TO WHERE

02:50 - 46.639 THE DEBATE AND PASSAGE OCCURRED

02:50 - 47.979 OF DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

02:50 - 49.169 AND THE UNITED STATES

02:50 - 51.359 CONSTITUTION THAT WE REVIEW

02:50 - 53.149 VERY QUICKLY THE PREAMBLE TO

02:50 - 53.940 THE CONSTITUTION

02:50 - 56.049 TALKS ABOUT WE THE PEOPLE IN

02:50 - 57.399 ORDER FOR MORE PERFECT UNION

02:50 - 58.799 ESTABLISH JUSTICE PROMOTE THE

02:50 - 00.679 GENERAL WELFARE AND SECURE THE

02:51 - 01.809 BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO

02:51 - 03.120 OURSELVES AND TO

02:51 - 05.819 OUR POSTERITY SPECIAL WORDS TO

02:51 - 06.820 BE SURE.

02:51 - 08.330 BUT THEY DON'T MEAN A THING

02:51 - 09.519 UNLESS THERE'S LEGISLATION

02:51 - 11.159 BEHIND THEM OF COURSE THE KEY

02:51 - 13.059 PIECE OF LEGISLATION HERE IS

02:51 - 14.290 NON COAL MINING.

02:51 - 17.649 AND THE ISSUE FOR YOU IS RE MAN

02:51 - 19.869 VERSUS RESCISSION AND I SUGGEST

02:51 - 21.699 TO YOU THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY

02:51 - 24.090 NO BASIS TO CONSIDER

02:51 - 27.930 REAM AND WHEN THE APPLICANT

02:51 - 30.149 FOR PERMIT FAILED TO MEET

02:51 - 32.579 THE EXPRESS CRITERIA EXPRESS

02:51 - 34.820 REQUIREMENTS IN THE 9 COAL ACT.

02:51 - 37.839 THAT SUGGESTS YOU IS ON

02:51 - 39.790 APPEALED IT'S UNCONTESTED

02:51 - 41.170 BECAUSE WE

02:51 - 43.919 LOOK TO ALL THE FINDINGS MADE

02:51 - 45.699 BY THE TRIAL JUDGE IN THIS CASE

02:51 - 48.019 THE BOY I THINK JUSTICE BROBSON

02:51 - 49.910 ASK YOUR OPPOSING COUNSEL.

02:51 - 51.440 AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE

02:51 - 52.889 INSURED A DIFFERENT THERE'S NO

02:51 - 56.449 LAW ON EVERY MAN VERSUS

02:51 - 56.970 DISMISSAL

02:51 - 00.179 WITHOUT PREJUDICE. SO IT SEEMS

02:52 - 01.809 TO FALL TO THE E H

02:52 - 04.599 P'S DISCRETION WHICH IF THAT'S

02:52 - 06.099 SO IT'S A VERY HIGH

02:52 - 07.609 BAR SHOWED YOU SOME DISCRETION

02:52 - 09.039 UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE I AGREE

02:52 - 11.149 WHOLEHEARTEDLY I SO WEAK SO I

02:52 - 12.200 GUESS THAT'S MY POINT IS

02:52 - 13.859 WE DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE A

02:52 - 14.390 DECISION

02:52 - 17.059 THAT SAYS ABSOLUTELY THERE IS

02:52 - 19.339 NO OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM AND WHEN

02:52 - 20.849 THE PERMITTEE FAILS TO SIDE

02:52 - 21.840 WITH THE HB CONCLUDES THE

02:52 - 23.209 PERMITTEE HAS FAILED TO SATISFY

02:52 - 24.429 THEIR BURDEN. WE DON'T HAVE TO

02:52 - 25.579 DO THAT DO THAT I DON'T THINK

02:52 - 26.719 YOU HAVE TO DO THAT I THINK YOU

02:52 - 28.619 NEED TO GIVE TRIAL COURTS.

02:52 - 31.019 THE DISCRETION OF BECAUSE OF

02:52 - 32.079 THE DIFFERENT FACT PATTERNS

02:52 - 33.229 THAT APPEAR BEFORE THAT I MEAN

02:52 - 34.810 WE MAY VERY WELL.

02:52 - 36.730 IF THEY WOULD HAVE RE MANDATE

02:52 - 38.489 WE'VE BEEN VERY VERY WELL SAID

02:52 - 40.189 OF YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S AN ABUSE

02:52 - 42.789 OF BUT BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT

02:52 - 43.770 YOU'RE TAKING IT TO ANOTHER

02:52 - 45.729 LEVEL AND SAYING WE MUST SAY

02:52 - 47.699 THAT THE ONLY REMEDY HERE WAS A

02:52 - 48.810 WAS A WAS

02:52 - 50.619 DISMISSAL. I WOULD SUGGEST TO

02:52 - 52.419 THE COURT THAT BASED UPON THE

02:52 - 54.110 UNDISPUTED FACTS IN THIS CASE.

02:52 - 56.359 THE UNDISPUTED CONCLUSIONS OF

02:52 - 56.760 LAW

02:52 - 58.959 YOU MUST RE SEND YOU MUST

02:52 - 00.469 UPHOLD THE RECESSION IN THIS

02:53 - 02.409 CASE AGAIN SPECIFIC TO THIS

02:53 - 03.839 CASE. YOU HAVE A VERY UNIQUE

02:53 - 05.619 FACTS. YOU HAD A CASE LIKE THIS

02:53 - 06.629 SAID IT WAS AN ABUSE

02:53 - 09.739 OF DISCRETION. I PREFER, YES,

02:53 - 11.999 YEAH I PREFER THE VACATION THAT

02:53 - 13.729 WAS SUGGESTED THAT'S A

02:53 - 15.019 DIFFERENT ISSUE THAT'S THE

02:53 - 17.179 COLLATERAL ISSUES. WE JUST

02:53 - 19.230 BROUGHT BEFORE ONLY TO THE

02:53 - 23.229 AND VERSUS DISMISSAL

02:53 - 25.139 WITHOUT PREJUDICE. AND THIS

02:53 - 26.010 MORNING ANSWER IS THAT'S

02:53 - 28.250 PERFECT JUSTICE. UNDER STATE,

02:53 - 29.929 BUT THEN AGAIN THIS IS A UNIQUE

02:53 - 32.900 SITUATION. IT'S SOME 300 ACRES

02:53 - 34.489 THAT ARE PUTTING MOST BE MY

02:53 - 36.109 NEXT TO WHAT IS IN ESSENCE, A

02:53 - 38.869 MINI LOVE CANAL. IT IS A SITE

02:53 - 40.929 THAT CONTAINS SOME 20 DIFFERENT

02:53 - 42.889 DANGEROUS CHEMICALS. AND

02:53 - 44.519 THEY'RE FLOWING AND TO YOUR

02:53 - 46.909 POINT JUST AS PROPS HOW DO WE

02:53 - 48.770 KNOW THAT MINING

02:53 - 51.349 WILL CAUSE FURTHER POLLUTION

02:53 - 53.710 WELL THAT'S A FACT ESTABLISHED

02:53 - 54.880 BY THE BOARD

02:53 - 57.139 AFTER HEARING 5 DAYS OF TEST I

02:53 - 58.969 DON'T I THINK WHETHER SOMETHING

02:53 - 00.689 WHETHER SOMETHING IS A CAUSE

02:54 - 01.700 UNDER A STATUTE.

02:54 - 03.659 IS A MIXED QUESTION OF FACT

02:54 - 05.969 AND LAW AND AND AGAIN THIS

02:54 - 07.599 ISSUE WASN'T PRESERVED. I'M I'M

02:54 - 08.260 HEARKENING BACK

02:54 - 10.789 TO MY 3 WEEK TRIAL IN FRONT OF

02:54 - 12.099 THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD

02:54 - 14.219 WITH KEN GILL BIRD. I'M DEALING

02:54 - 15.689 WITH THE TRASH TRANSFER PERMIT

02:54 - 18.009 SO. YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S

02:54 - 19.080 E IT'S.

02:54 - 20.729 I THINK THERE'S A VERY

02:54 - 21.779 INTERESTING QUESTION AS

02:54 - 24.189 TO WHETHER SOMEONE WHO COMES IN

02:54 - 26.499 AND WANTS TO COREY. IN

02:54 - 29.729 MAY EXPEDITE THE MOVEMENT OF

02:54 - 31.049 POLLUTION FROM ONE PROPERTY

02:54 - 31.870 ONTO THAT PROPERTY. BUT

02:54 - 33.319 NONETHELESS IS PROPOSING TO

02:54 - 35.209 TREAT IT SOMETHING THAT BP

02:54 - 37.070 STILL HAS BEEN UNABLE TO DO

02:54 - 39.750 WHETHER THAT IS TRULY CAUSING.

02:54 - 41.649 POLLUTION THAT IS GOING TO

02:54 - 43.449 HAPPEN ANYWAY AND IN THIS CASE

02:54 - 44.699 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ON

02:54 - 46.399 THE RECORD. THERE WILL BE

02:54 - 47.910 POLLUTION CAUSED BECAUSE

02:54 - 52.119 10 MINUTES. WE ARE

02:54 - 53.479 MOVING INTO EXPANDING THE

02:54 - 55.169 PLUMES EXPANDING HOWEVER THE

02:54 - 57.890 DRAWDOWN FROM THE MINE IS GOING

02:54 - 59.829 300 FEET DEEP THE DRAWDOWN OF

02:54 - 01.559 THE WATER IS GOING TO PULL THE

02:55 - 03.249 SAND AND SAID IT'S GOING TO

02:55 - 04.359 EXACERBATE IT AND IT'S GOING

02:55 - 05.559 MAKE IT FASTER BUT AGAIN WE

02:55 - 06.320 DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS

02:55 - 07.579 DISCUSSION WITH NOBODY APPEAL

02:55 - 08.779 THE ISSUE WE DON'T I THINK THE

02:55 - 10.340 SIGNIFICANT THOUGH BECAUSE.

02:55 - 12.139 OF THE TENSION RESIDENTS

02:55 - 14.039 BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO

02:55 - 16.099 FORMED BAND CHOIR GROUP THEY'RE

02:55 - 17.080 THE ONES WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH

02:55 - 18.429 THIS AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO

02:55 - 20.479 ARE GOING TO SUFFER GOES

02:55 - 21.889 MOVING. SOME WILL BE

02:55 - 24.919 TREATED PERHAPS WHAT IF THEY

02:55 - 25.989 WERE EVER TO REACH THE QUITE

02:55 - 26.580 OTHERS ARE GOING

02:55 - 28.369 TO MOVE AND NEVER REACH THE

02:55 - 30.259 QUARRY. IT'S THOSE THAT ARE THE

02:55 - 32.189 POLLUTION THAT REALLY CAUSED

02:55 - 33.190 THE CONCERN HERE.

02:55 - 36.399 WHAT THEN EVENT AS YOU JUST

02:55 - 37.400 KNOW RE MAN

02:55 - 39.589 IS WARRANTED HERE IN ANY WAY

02:55 - 41.489 SHAPE OR FORM. THERE'S NO

02:55 - 42.450 LEGITIMATE PURPOSE

02:55 - 44.469 FOR IT I HEARKEN BACK TO THE

02:55 - 46.430 COURT'S DECISION FROM 2007.

02:55 - 47.869 IN THE STATION SQUARE

02:55 - 50.909 GAMING CASE THE COURT NOTED

02:55 - 51.910 THAT NIGHT CASE

02:55 - 53.329 EVERY MAN WOULD SERVE NO

02:55 - 55.289 PURPOSE SO IN THAT CASE YOU

02:55 - 57.000 REINSTITUTING THE

02:55 - 59.059 RESCISSION I SUGGEST THAT IT

02:55 - 01.569 MAKES SENSE TO DO IS DRAG IS IS

02:56 - 03.199 THE IDEA THAT THINGS WILL DRAG

02:56 - 04.729 ON TOO LONG IS THAT A FACTOR TO

02:56 - 06.199 BE CONSIDERED IN DECIDING

02:56 - 07.760 BETWEEN REMENTER RECENT.

02:56 - 10.629 IT CERTAINLY IS TO MY

02:56 - 12.299 OPPOSING COUNSEL TO ME DOES

02:56 - 13.300 NOT.

02:56 - 16.170 THE IDEA THAT.

02:56 - 17.380 THE.

02:56 - 20.209 GIBRALTAR'S FOCUSING ON WHAT

02:56 - 22.649 MAY OCCUR IN THE FUTURE IS A

02:56 - 23.650 CONCERN.

02:56 - 25.909 LEGITIMATE CONCERN BECAUSE

02:56 - 28.449 THERE'S NO PLANT 4 AT IT HANDLE

02:56 - 30.669 THINGS. HOWEVER, THE REASON

02:56 - 32.189 YOU'RE GOING TO SUGGEST HE

02:56 - 34.219 SHOULD RESCIND UPHOLD

02:56 - 35.859 THE DECISION IS BECAUSE OF WHAT

02:56 - 37.239 HAPPENED THE PAST NOT CONCERNED

02:56 - 38.130 ABOUT THE FUTURE BUT WHAT

02:56 - 39.560 HAPPENED THE PAST WHICH IS

02:56 - 41.869 THAT GIBRALTAR FAILED TO MEET

02:56 - 43.429 THE EXPRESS REQUIREMENTS UNDER

02:56 - 43.790 THE NON

02:56 - 45.509 CALL ACT THEY FAILED TO MEET

02:56 - 47.179 THE EXPRESS REQUIREMENTS UNDER

02:56 - 48.740 THE REGULATIONS UNDER THAT ACT

02:56 - 50.479 THEY THEY FAILED TO MEET IN

02:56 - 51.100 CONJUNCTION WITH

02:56 - 52.669 THE DEPARTMENT. THE

02:56 - 54.639 REQUIREMENTS UNDER ARTICLE ONE

02:56 - 56.539 SECTION 27 OF THE PENNSYLVANIA

02:56 - 58.869 CONSTITUTION WHICH REQUIRES PRE

02:56 - 01.389 DECISION ALL EVALUATION WAS NOT

02:57 - 03.070 DONE HERE. AND SO.

02:57 - 05.509 THOSE ARE 3 STRIKES YOU'RE OUT

02:57 - 06.360 THERE SHOULD BE OUT THE

02:57 - 07.860 RESCISSION SHOULD BE UPHELD.

02:57 - 09.329 WHAT ABOUT THE WHAT ABOUT THE

02:57 - 12.309 FACT GIBRALTAR ROCK STARTED

02:57 - 14.380 THIS PERMITTING PROCESS.

02:57 - 17.590 WELL OVER 10 YEARS AGO 2011 AND

02:57 - 18.850 AND THE FACT THAT.

02:57 - 20.590 HISTORICALLY THE P

02:57 - 22.609 HE'S HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE

02:57 - 24.279 CONTAMINATION OF THE SITE SINCE

02:57 - 25.430 THE 70'S AND

02:57 - 27.720 FOR WHATEVER

02:57 - 32.299 FINANCIAL. YOU KNOW LACK

02:57 - 33.550 OF RESOURCES.

02:57 - 36.019 HAVEN'T REMEDIATED THIS THE

02:57 - 37.649 SITE IS SO IT'S REMAINS

02:57 - 38.650 INCLUDED.

02:57 - 41.579 SHOULDN'T DOESN'T THAT LEND

02:57 - 43.159 SOME CREDENCE TO THE FACT THAT

02:57 - 44.809 PERHAPS TO A FAULT OR SHOULD BE

02:57 - 45.849 ALLOWED TO COME BACK TO THE

02:57 - 46.850 TABLE I MEAN.

02:57 - 48.470 HEY THEY COULD SAVE YOU LOOK.

02:57 - 50.019 YOU LET US FOR MEDIAITE THE

02:57 - 52.279 AREA YOU

02:57 - 54.449 LET US. YOU KNOW MINE ARE

02:57 - 57.149 ARE COREY. ISN'T AND IT ISN'T

02:57 - 58.569 IT HAVE SOME BENEFIT TO YOU

02:57 - 01.799 THAT THAT ASPECT AND GIBRALTAR

02:58 - 04.359 COULD DO THAT TODAY. WITHOUT

02:58 - 05.360 THE PERMIT.

02:58 - 06.859 I SUGGEST THEY CAN'T GET THE

02:58 - 08.259 PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE EXPRESS

02:58 - 09.649 REQUIREMENTS AND AND COLLECT

02:58 - 11.540 REGULATIONS AND CONSTITUTION

02:58 - 13.139 BUT THEY CERTAINLY CAN I HAVE

02:58 - 14.269 ANOTHER CLIENT THAT ENTERING

02:58 - 16.999 INTO A PERSPECTIVE. PURCHASING

02:58 - 19.169 AGREEMENT WITH THE PATE WHERE

02:58 - 20.000 WE'RE GOING TO BUY THE

02:58 - 21.709 PROPERTY. AND WE'RE GOING TO

02:58 - 22.710 CLEAN IT UP.

02:58 - 24.759 BUT WE DON'T HAVE VISION WHAT

02:58 - 26.079 YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS POSITION

02:58 - 28.229 ON THIS CASE DOESN'T RULE OUT

02:58 - 29.230 THAT.

02:58 - 31.509 NOT AT ALL NOT AT ALL THAT THEY

02:58 - 33.060 COULD TO START.

02:58 - 36.169 ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT THEY

02:58 - 37.459 CAN PURCHASE A PROPERTY START

02:58 - 38.769 ADDRESSING IT. THEY CAN DO IT

02:58 - 39.929 FROM AFAR THEY CAN DO IN

02:58 - 40.980 CONJUNCTION WITH THE PICK.

02:58 - 42.510 WHAT THE PERMIT.

02:58 - 44.399 IT'S NOT THE LEFTIST AND

02:58 - 45.579 BECAUSE IT NEVER MET THE

02:58 - 46.709 CRITERIA IN THE FIRST PLACE

02:58 - 47.989 WILL REMAIN DOESN'T NECESSARILY

02:58 - 48.240 MEAN THE

02:58 - 50.609 PERMITS STANCE. IT DOESN'T BUT

02:58 - 52.529 WHAT IT DOES IS I SUGGEST SENDS

02:58 - 55.340 A WRONG MESSAGE TO THE BOARD.

02:58 - 59.280 AND IT'S

02:58 - 00.280 ON CONTEST

02:59 - 01.859 THAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR

02:59 - 02.860 ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT IN THE

02:59 - 04.150 FIRST PLACE WE NEVER MET.

02:59 - 05.949 WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT PERMIT

02:59 - 08.119 A LIFE, WE KNOW THAT IT REMAIN

02:59 - 09.199 DOESN'T KEEP THE PERMIT ALIVE,

02:59 - 10.359 THEY CAN'T TAKE THE PERMANENCE

02:59 - 12.119 STAR COREY. THEIR BREATH BACK

02:59 - 13.469 BEFORE THE DPA DOESN'T KEEP THE

02:59 - 14.969 PERMIT ALIVE, BUT BUT HE KEEPS

02:59 - 17.259 ALIVE SOMETHING THAT WAS VOID

02:59 - 19.109 AB INITIO WELL IN THE SENSE

02:59 - 20.379 THAT KEEPS THE PERMIT PROCESS

02:59 - 21.300 ALIVE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO

02:59 - 22.429 START ALL OVER AGAIN SOMETHING

02:59 - 23.720 THEY STARTED 10 YEARS AGO

02:59 - 26.879 IT BUT THEY CAN APPLY TO TODAY

02:59 - 29.219 TO MARK FOR PERMIT JUST WITH

02:59 - 29.930 THIS PERMIT

02:59 - 31.529 WHAT WE WANT BEFORE YOU APPLY

02:59 - 33.539 FOR PERMITS IN FRONT OF THE YOU

02:59 - 36.009 CAN TELL ME BECAUSE I HAD I

02:59 - 37.729 UNDERSTAND THAT STARTING OVER

02:59 - 39.050 CAN SOMETIMES BE DIFFICULT.

02:59 - 40.729 IT TO YOUR POINT THOUGH IF

02:59 - 42.239 YOU WERE TO REMAIN AND IF THE

02:59 - 43.579 COMMONWEALTH COURT HAD ITS WAY

02:59 - 45.129 IN THIS ROOM AND JUST THINK

02:59 - 46.560 THROUGH WHAT THAT ONE IN 5.

02:59 - 49.020 WHEN WE BE BACK IN FRONT OF D P

02:59 - 51.060 ARE YOU DOING THOSE SAME ISSUES

02:59 - 53.129 FOR WHICH WE HAD A 5 DAY TRUMP

02:59 - 53.940 FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:59 - 55.649 HEARING BOARD. NOW WHEN I LOOK

02:59 - 57.119 AGAIN THIS IS ALL VERY

02:59 - 59.089 INTERESTING TO I'M NOT GOING TO

02:59 - 00.859 I DON'T REPRESENT A BROAD TERM

03:00 - 02.139 NOT GOING TO PROPHESIED WHAT I

03:00 - 03.299 WOULD DO IS THEY'RE COUNCIL I

03:00 - 04.190 WENT BACK IN FRONT OF THE

03:00 - 04.860 PEOPLE THE BOTTOM

03:00 - 05.380 LINE IS.

03:00 - 07.259 BHP FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS

03:00 - 09.389 OF LAW WERE NOT APPEALS SO SO

03:00 - 10.979 THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE IT IS TO

03:00 - 12.429 BE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD

03:00 - 13.599 CASE WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO

03:00 - 16.139 COMMENT AT ALL ON PRESERVATION

03:00 - 17.060 AND AT OTHER

03:00 - 18.060 MERITS ISSUES.

03:00 - 20.579 THE ONLY ONE THAT I'LL DRESS

03:00 - 22.099 IF I MAY BECAUSE OUT THE FIRST

03:00 - 24.450 TO A DPS REGARDS PRESERVATION

03:00 - 28.080 IS THE IDEA THAT THIS COURT.

03:00 - 31.409 ISSUED AN ORDER. SAYING WE

03:00 - 33.060 WOULD ISSUES ADDRESSED.

03:00 - 36.019 AT BASS ONE ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED

03:00 - 36.720 I WOULD SUGGEST

03:00 - 39.689 THAT IS UNDER THE RULES THAT IS

03:00 - 41.220 AN ADMISSION AGREEMENT

03:00 - 43.830 BY THE OPPOSITION BY GIBRALTAR

03:00 - 45.709 AS REGARDS THE BRIEFING THAT WE

03:00 - 46.940 PRESENTED TO THE COURT

03:00 - 48.869 AND YET ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU

03:00 - 49.680 SHOULD DECIDE IN

03:00 - 51.699 FAVOR OF 9 TOWNSHIP TO

03:00 - 53.570 PRAGMATICALLY WE GET

03:00 - 56.709 2000 REQUESTS FOR ALLOWS YOU

03:00 - 58.689 KNOW YEAR AND IN LOOKING AT

03:00 - 00.439 THOSE DECIDING WHAT TO GRANT OR

03:01 - 01.819 NOT GRANT WE DON'T HAVE THE

03:01 - 03.299 SAME REASON BUT DON'T PUT THE

03:01 - 03.550 SAME

03:01 - 04.550 RESOURCES IN.

03:01 - 06.419 THAT WE DO AT THIS POINT IN

03:01 - 07.899 SUBSEQUENT TO THIS POINT WHEN

03:01 - 09.040 WE TAKE IT THAT

03:01 - 10.359 ONE OF THE STATE TO RECORD A

03:01 - 12.469 PARTLY TO EVERY WORD IN IN

03:01 - 14.689 RIGHTS AND PINION SO WE MAY

03:01 - 16.679 HAVE BEEN A RONI IS IN GRANTING

03:01 - 18.979 ALL 80 SHOES BECAUSE WE WEREN'T

03:01 - 20.169 AWARE PRESERVATION

03:01 - 21.959 ON PRESERVATION. WE LOOK TO

03:01 - 23.189 COMMONWEALTH COURT OPINION THE

03:01 - 24.480 PETITION FOR ALLOWANCE.

03:01 - 26.740 I UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTAND, BUT

03:01 - 28.979 IT TO MY MIND YOU TAKE AN

03:01 - 31.289 AWFUL CHANCE AS A PARTY BEFORE

03:01 - 33.209 THIS COURT TO JUST KNOW THAT MY

03:01 - 35.519 MOTHER TO TAKE YOU. I THINK

03:01 - 36.520 IT'S FAIR.

03:01 - 38.329 ALL RIGHT IT IN CONCLUSION.

03:01 - 39.869 I ASK THAT YOU REVERSE THE

03:01 - 41.360 DECISION THE COMMONWEALTH COURT

03:01 - 43.339 REINSTATE THE RESCISSION

03:01 - 45.829 BORDER. WOW TO PROGRESS THAT

03:01 - 46.830 WAY. THANK YOU.

03:01 - 58.759 PLEASE PROCEED, IT PLEASE THE

03:01 - 01.379 COURT STEVE HARRIS. ATTORNEY

03:02 - 03.339 FOR GIBRALTAR ROCK. WELL YOU'RE

03:02 - 04.979 TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THIS CASE

03:02 - 06.919 HAS BEEN GOING ON I'D BE

03:02 - 08.700 REPRESENTING THE BROADER ROCK

03:02 - 11.959 FOR 21 LONG YEARS IN AN

03:02 - 13.679 EFFORT TO WE'VE GOT ALL THE

03:02 - 16.979 ZONING APPROVAL. AND THERE'S A

03:02 - 18.599 FUNDAMENTAL MISUNDERSTANDING

03:02 - 20.889 HERE THAT SOMEHOW TO BROUGHT TO

03:02 - 22.540 ROCK. DID NOT.

03:02 - 25.059 MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 9

03:02 - 26.060 COAL ACT.

03:02 - 29.380 WE INITIALLY.

03:02 - 32.180 WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN

03:02 - 36.109 2001 AND APPLY TO D E P FOR

03:02 - 39.489 A PERMIT IN 2003 THAT PERMIT

03:02 - 43.360 WAS ISSUED IN 20005.

03:02 - 45.729 WE THEN BECAUSE OF THE

03:02 - 47.979 LITIGATION UNENDING LITIGATION

03:02 - 51.359 OVER THE LAND USE MATTERS CAME

03:02 - 52.629 TO THE POINT WHERE THE

03:02 - 53.709 ENVIRONMENTAL HEARING BOARD

03:02 - 54.729 SAID YOU REALLY OUGHT TO GO

03:02 - 58.269 BACK AND REAPPLY OF 4 YOU'RE

03:02 - 59.270 HEARING.

03:03 - 01.389 THE BROADER ROCKIES IN TOTAL

03:03 - 03.080 COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE

03:03 - 06.830 ACT, 9 COAL ACT ISSUES EXCEPT.

03:03 - 09.559 IT HAS THE MISFORTUNE OF BEING

03:03 - 11.070 NEXT TO THE GOOD OIL SITE.

03:03 - 14.159 THAT IS ACTUALLY AN

03:03 - 15.160 OPPORTUNITY.

03:03 - 17.979 THE BROADER ROCK IS NOT

03:03 - 20.649 THE PROBLEM. GIBRALTAR ROCK IS

03:03 - 21.980 PART OF THE SOLUTION.

03:03 - 25.009 THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GO BACK

03:03 - 26.010 ONE REMIT.

03:03 - 28.540 JUST AS BOB SAID YOU'RE

03:03 - 30.879 ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN YOU SAY

03:03 - 33.089 THIS IS AN ISSUE OF ABUSE OF

03:03 - 36.369 DISCRETION. AND. IT

03:03 - 37.899 IS HELPFUL TO

03:03 - 40.799 TO READ WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL

03:03 - 42.020 HEARING BOARD SENT.

03:03 - 43.979 IT SAID HOWEVER

03:03 - 46.329 GIVEN THE LACK OF ANY MOMENTUM

03:03 - 48.210 AT THAT SITE WE'RE CONCERNED

03:03 - 51.460 REMAIN PENDING. HS CA

03:03 - 53.129 HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE CONTROL ACT

03:03 - 54.319 ACTIVITIES WOULD DRAG ON

03:03 - 55.890 INDEFINITELY AGAIN GIVING

03:03 - 57.999 RISE TO THE STILLNESS CONCERNS

03:03 - 59.719 THE REQUIRED TO RE MAN OF OUR

03:03 - 02.219 FIRST EDUCATION. WELL FIRST OF

03:04 - 04.630 ALL CONCERNS ARE IN EVIDENCE.

03:04 - 10.980 THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT.

03:04 - 13.380 THERE WAS A LACK OF MOMENTUM.

03:04 - 16.580 THE RECORD IS CLEAR. GOOD

03:04 - 18.769 THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE

03:04 - 20.539 HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE GROUP SAID

03:04 - 21.540 LOOK.

03:04 - 23.349 WE'RE GOING TO RUN A PILOT

03:04 - 25.729 STUDY WE'VE ALWAYS GOT ALREADY

03:04 - 27.949 HAVE THE MONEY. 2 RUN THAT

03:04 - 30.429 PILOT STUDY WE'RE GOING TO BE

03:04 - 32.579 DOING THAT WE'RE NOT CLOSING

03:04 - 33.980 DOWN OUR REMEDIATION

03:04 - 37.340 SO THE QUESTION AND N

03:04 - 39.349 MS. MURPHY MADE A VERY

03:04 - 40.990 IMPORTANT OBSERVATION HERE.

03:04 - 44.730 SHE SAID THE REASON.

03:04 - 48.229 THAT THIS MATTER WAS OVER

03:04 - 49.230 TURNED.

03:04 - 54.619 THE DEPARTMENT HAD NOT HAD THE

03:04 - 58.229 OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE

03:04 - 00.050 TESTIMONY FROM DOCTOR MACLEAN

03:05 - 02.169 WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE IS

03:05 - 03.170 VERY INSTRUCTIVE.

03:05 - 09.099 BROADER ROCKS PAYTON TRANSPORT

03:05 - 10.309 STUDY GAVE IT TO THEIR OWN

03:05 - 11.589 EXPERT, THEIR OWN EXPERT HAD

03:05 - 13.250 CRITICISMS ABOUT IT.

03:05 - 15.769 THEY SHARE THAT WITH THE

03:05 - 18.679 DEPARTMENT KNOW THEY HELD THAT

03:05 - 21.379 REPORT UNTIL THE APPEAL IN

03:05 - 23.060 ORDER TO WEAPONIZE THAT REPORT.

03:05 - 24.799 MISTER HARRIS SAID I THINK

03:05 - 25.360 YOU'RE A LITTLE

03:05 - 27.899 FAR FIELD. THE QUESTION THAT

03:05 - 29.169 WAS ASKED OF BOTH OF YOUR

03:05 - 30.689 OPPOSING COUNSEL BY JUSTICE

03:05 - 32.059 BROBSON INITIALLY AND THEN

03:05 - 32.530 BY ME.

03:05 - 35.749 IS WHETHER THE HB ABUSED

03:05 - 38.279 ITS DISCRETION. IN CHOOSING

03:05 - 39.969 BETWEEN DISMISSAL WITHOUT

03:05 - 41.379 PREJUDICE OR OR

03:05 - 44.049 RE MAN AND IT AND IT JUST

03:05 - 45.559 BROUGHT US AND MADE THE POINT

03:05 - 46.440 THAT IF THE

03:05 - 49.289 HBA DECIDED IN YOUR FAVOR IF

03:05 - 50.869 YOU WILL FOR HIM AND THAT THAT

03:05 - 52.209 STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN

03:05 - 53.789 ITS DISCRETION. I THINK THE

03:05 - 56.559 NARROW INQUIRY ON THIS ISSUE IS

03:05 - 58.390 WHERE OR HOW

03:05 - 00.399 DID THE HB ABUSE IT'S THE SHOW

03:06 - 02.679 THAT USED TO BE ABUSED

03:06 - 05.619 THEIR DISCRETION. BECAUSE THE

03:06 - 06.930 REASON IT.

03:06 - 09.180 BY THE E H B.

03:06 - 11.629 FOR RESCINDING RATHER THAN

03:06 - 13.869 REMAINING. WELL READ AGAIN,

03:06 - 15.969 HOWEVER GIVEN THE LACK OF ANY

03:06 - 18.229 MOMENTUM ON THAT SITE WE'RE

03:06 - 18.960 CONCERNED THAT

03:06 - 21.109 REMAIN PENDING. PAST THAT

03:06 - 22.459 ACTIVITY SHOULD DRAG ON

03:06 - 24.649 INDEFINITELY. RISE TO THE

03:06 - 26.719 STILLNESS CONCERNS THE REQUIRED

03:06 - 28.109 TO RE MAN FROM OUR FIRST OF

03:06 - 30.889 JUNE PATIENT. THERE IS NO

03:06 - 32.249 EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TO

03:06 - 35.289 SUPPORT THAT AS A MATTER OF THE

03:06 - 37.119 RECORD IS THE OPPOSITE POINT

03:06 - 38.530 WELL HIT TO GET IN.

03:06 - 39.740 I THINK THAT YOUR

03:06 - 41.779 BEST ARGUMENT IS AND BECAUSE

03:06 - 43.629 THE THE THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU

03:06 - 45.499 CAN NEVER SATISFY THE CONDITION

03:06 - 47.749 OF THE PERMIT IS IS IN

03:06 - 49.599 MY EXPERIENCE THERE'S BEEN

03:06 - 51.610 REMAINS LIKE THAT BEFORE BUT I

03:06 - 53.350 BUT YOUR YOUR ARGUMENT IS

03:06 - 54.879 THAT'S NOT THE REASON WHY THE

03:06 - 57.480 BOARD REFUSED TO REMIT

03:06 - 58.829 THE BOARD AND SAY WE'RE NOT

03:06 - 59.899 REMAINED IN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE

03:06 - 01.119 A FUTILE ACT YOU COULD NEVER

03:07 - 02.240 SATISFIED RIGHT

03:07 - 05.019 THEY SAID WE'RE NOT ANDING IT

03:07 - 06.579 BECAUSE DEEP, HE DOESN'T HAVE A

03:07 - 09.499 PLAN TO REMEDIATE THE SITE AND

03:07 - 10.929 WHERE IT'S JUST GOING NOWHERE

03:07 - 11.980 WERE JUST STOP IT NOW

03:07 - 13.529 AND THE RECORD AND THE RECORD

03:07 - 15.229 IS CLEARLY THE OPPOSITE ON THAT

03:07 - 16.260 PARTICULAR POINT.

03:07 - 17.380 AND.

03:07 - 20.730 REVIEW ARE THE 2 D E P

03:07 - 22.640 PERMIT REVIEWERS.

03:07 - 26.859 TESTIFY HATE IF WE HAD DOCTOR

03:07 - 28.929 MCCLAIN'S REPORT WE WOULD HAVE

03:07 - 31.109 CONSIDERED IT AND WE WOULD

03:07 - 32.110 HAVE.

03:07 - 35.189 MADE ABROAD TO ROCK RESPOND TO

03:07 - 37.800 THE ALL THE ISSUES RAISED AND

03:07 - 40.539 THEN AND NOT UNTIL

03:07 - 42.219 THEY HAD RESPONDED TO THE WOULD

03:07 - 43.790 WE HAVE ISSUED THE PERMIT.

03:07 - 46.389 ALL WE'RE ASKING. IS TO

03:07 - 49.239 GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT ALLOW

03:07 - 51.159 THE REVIEWERS TO REVIEW

03:07 - 54.039 THE REPORT ALLOW US TO RESPOND

03:07 - 56.180 TO IT. YOU THIS IS

03:07 - 59.389 I SUGGEST WE LIKE THE THE

03:07 - 02.650 QB PRODUCT. THIS CASE WHERE.

03:08 - 05.119 THIS COURT SAID THE

03:08 - 06.569 COMMONWEALTH COURT'S DECISION

03:08 - 08.589 IS AFFIRMED TO THE EXTENT IT IS

03:08 - 09.570 CONSISTENT WITH

03:08 - 11.849 THE DIRECTION WILLOW IS VACATED

03:08 - 13.029 IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS AND

03:08 - 14.330 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR

03:08 - 16.810 WHAT WE'RE ASKING. THE COURT

03:08 - 19.699 TO DO IS TO AFFIRM THE DECISION

03:08 - 21.190 TO REVERSE AND REMAND

03:08 - 23.909 AND VACATE THE SOO A

03:08 - 25.859 SPONTANEOUS SHOES THAT WILL

03:08 - 28.549 GIVE US AS IS JUST AS PROPS AND

03:08 - 29.550 POINTED OUT.

03:08 - 31.759 TO FILE ANOTHER PERMIT

03:08 - 34.410 APPLICATION IS AN ENORMOUS.

03:08 - 37.560 UNDERTAKING IN TERMS OF TIMES

03:08 - 38.300 TIME

03:08 - 40.949 AND MONEY. THERE'S NO NEED TO

03:08 - 43.160 GO BACK TO THE START AGAIN.

03:08 - 44.780 WE CAN DO.

03:08 - 47.889 SUBMIT THE DEPARTMENT WILL DO

03:08 - 49.859 EXACTLY WHAT IT SET. IT WILL

03:08 - 51.539 ASK THE BALL TO RESPOND TO

03:08 - 54.279 CONCERN A B AND C WE'LL HAVE

03:08 - 56.090 THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

03:08 - 59.220 IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT.

03:08 - 00.650 A PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED.

03:09 - 02.370 BUT I DO WANT TO COME IN.

03:09 - 05.629 CHIEF JUSTICE ON THE ON THE

03:09 - 07.410 FACT OF THE

03:09 - 10.119 AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WHY

03:09 - 12.189 YOU CRITICIZE THE DIE BROUGHT

03:09 - 13.190 UP THE ISSUE

03:09 - 16.260 OF THIS REPORT THAT THE

03:09 - 18.320 TOWNSHIP DIDN'T SHARE

03:09 - 20.579 WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO ALLOW IT

03:09 - 22.560 TO CONSIDER THESE ISSUES.

03:09 - 27.089 WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY OF

03:09 - 28.090 THIS LITIGATION.

03:09 - 30.169 THE PERMIT WOULD HAVE BEEN

03:09 - 32.389 ISSUED UNTIL THE UNTIL THOSE

03:09 - 33.559 THINGS WERE CONCERNED SO WE

03:09 - 34.190 WOULD HAVE SAVED

03:09 - 36.479 5 DAYS AND JUST AS ROBSON KNOWS

03:09 - 37.450 WHAT THAT'S LIKE IN FRONT OF

03:09 - 38.130 THE ENVIRONMENTAL

03:09 - 40.179 HEARING BOARD WE WOULD SAVE

03:09 - 41.399 PEELED TO THE COMMONWEALTH,

03:09 - 43.309 WHAT THE COUNCIL THE HP IS

03:09 - 43.770 ESSENTIALLY

03:09 - 44.950 TURNOVER PROCESS.

03:09 - 46.659 AND USUALLY THE PERMITTEE IS

03:09 - 48.549 THERE TO DEFEND THE USUALLY THE

03:09 - 49.919 DEPARTMENT AND LETS THE PERMIT

03:09 - 50.090 TO

03:09 - 52.309 DO THAT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR

03:09 - 54.439 EXPERT REPORTS TO SURFACE

03:09 - 56.070 STIRRING BHP TRIAL

03:09 - 00.239 WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY HAD THE

03:10 - 02.969 REPORT BEFORE THAT THE PERMIT

03:10 - 04.789 WAS ISSUED. THERE ARE NO HARD

03:10 - 06.579 BEING SAID THE DEPARTMENT SAID

03:10 - 08.279 IF WE HAD IT WE WOULD CONSIDER

03:10 - 11.299 IT ALL WERE REQUESTING IS THAT

03:10 - 13.739 YOU AND THIS MATTER TO ALLOW

03:10 - 16.719 THE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW THE

03:10 - 19.179 THE REPORT TO DO WHAT IT

03:10 - 22.120 NORMALLY DOES IF WE CAN SATISFY

03:10 - 23.549 THE DEPARTMENT THE PERMIT WILL

03:10 - 25.519 REISSUE IF WE CAN SATISFY IT

03:10 - 27.630 WILL IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR

03:10 - 29.099 TO REQUIRE US TO GO BACK TO

03:10 - 31.819 SQUARE ONE. SO TO SUMMARIZE WE

03:10 - 34.570 ASK YOU TO AFFIRM THE FINDING

03:10 - 35.820 OF THE.

03:10 - 38.929 THE COME WITH WITH THAT SHOULD

03:10 - 40.440 BE REVERSED AND REMANDED

03:10 - 43.019 BUT VACATE THOSE ISSUES WHICH

03:10 - 44.280 WILL RAISE WITH SPOTTY.

03:10 - 46.259 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU

03:10 - 47.340 VERY MUCH FOR US.

03:10 - 51.150 THE FINAL CASE YOU'RE

03:10 - 53.049 GOING TO HEAR IS CALLED IN THE

03:10 - 55.429 INTEREST OF K AND L

03:10 - 57.619 A MINOR, THIS IS AN ADOPTION

03:10 - 59.689 CASE AND IN FAMILY LAW CASES WE

03:10 - 01.539 OFTEN USE INITIALS. THAT'S WHY

03:11 - 03.439 WE USE K AND AL IT'S AN EFFORT

03:11 - 05.679 TO PROTECT A CHILD OR OTHER

03:11 - 07.179 FAMILY MEMBERS INVOLVED IN

03:11 - 10.159 THE CASE. AND CASE IS ABOUT

03:11 - 12.189 WHO'S ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE

03:11 - 14.449 WHAT THE LAW CALLS STANDING IN

03:11 - 17.039 ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS. THE CHILD

03:11 - 18.079 AT ISSUE WAS BORN IN

03:11 - 19.900 PHILADELPHIA IN 2010.

03:11 - 22.299 AT THE TIME THE CHILD'S MOTHER

03:11 - 23.919 WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A

03:11 - 26.279 PERSON NAMED T B WHO WAS NOT

03:11 - 27.390 THE CHILD'S FATHER,

03:11 - 29.479 WHEN THE CHILD WAS BORN

03:11 - 31.609 MOTHER WAS INCARCERATED SO THE

03:11 - 34.739 CHILD LIVED WITH TV'S MOTHER T

03:11 - 36.779 BE ALSO LIVED IN THE HOUSE WITH

03:11 - 37.810 THE CHILD AND

03:11 - 40.779 TV'S MOTHER. BUT THE MOTHER HAD

03:11 - 42.749 PHYSICAL AND LEGAL CUSTODY OF

03:11 - 43.849 THE CHILD TV

03:11 - 47.169 DID NOT IN 2015 THE CHILD IS

03:11 - 48.420 REMOVED FROM THE HOME

03:11 - 51.309 BASED ON ALLEGED ABUSE BY TV

03:11 - 53.819 AND TV'S MOTHER, THE CHILD IS

03:11 - 55.460 THEN PLACED IN FOSTER CARE.

03:11 - 56.550 IN

03:11 - 00.009 2018 THE CHILD. FOSTER PARENT

03:12 - 01.669 AND MATERNAL AND FILE

03:12 - 04.029 FOR ADOPTION. T BE THEN

03:12 - 05.899 RESPONDS BY TRYING TO INTERVENE

03:12 - 07.569 IN THE ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS AND

03:12 - 10.250 ALSO FILING HIS OWN ADOPTION.

03:12 - 11.360 THE PETITION.

03:12 - 14.239 HE ALLEGES IN LOCO PER ENT US

03:12 - 15.240 WHICH

03:12 - 16.869 LEGAL DOCTRINE THAT ALLOWS

03:12 - 18.869 PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THE PARENTS

03:12 - 18.990 OF

03:12 - 21.089 A CHILD TO ASSERT CERTAIN

03:12 - 22.939 RIGHTS MAYBE CUSTODY IN EVEN

03:12 - 24.779 ADOPTION. BECAUSE THEY HAVE

03:12 - 26.059 PROVIDED CARE TO

03:12 - 28.369 THE CHILD. SO TBA SEARCH THAT

03:12 - 29.869 HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADOPT A

03:12 - 31.849 CHILD BECAUSE HE STOOD IN THE

03:12 - 33.390 LOW CO-PARENT US.

03:12 - 35.479 THE TRIAL COURT DENIED

03:12 - 38.029 TV'S MOTION TO INTERVENE AND

03:12 - 40.109 THE ADOPTION PETITION. ON THE

03:12 - 41.619 BASIS THAT T B IS

03:12 - 44.279 NOT CURRENTLY IN LOCO PRENTICE

03:12 - 45.459 BECAUSE THE CHILD HAD BEEN

03:12 - 46.010 REMOVED IN

03:12 - 50.209 2015. TV NEVER WAS THE CHILD'S

03:12 - 51.250 LEGAL GUARDIAN.

03:12 - 54.389 AND FINALLY THE COURT HELD THAT

03:12 - 55.120 HE BE IN THE

03:12 - 57.119 CHILD'S MOTHER WHO REMEMBER WAS

03:12 - 58.519 INCARCERATED WHEN THE CHILD WAS

03:12 - 00.409 BORN EVER LIVED IN A FAMILY

03:13 - 02.649 UNIT TOGETHER. THE SUPERIOR

03:13 - 05.699 COURT AFFIRMED THAT HE DID NOT

03:13 - 08.039 ESTABLISH IN LOCAL AND LOCO

03:13 - 10.059 PRENTICE STATUS WITH REGARD TO

03:13 - 11.060 THE CHILD.

03:13 - 13.649 T BE THEN APPEALED TO THE

03:13 - 15.439 SUPREME COURT AND THE SUPREME

03:13 - 17.170 COURT HAS ALLOWED AN APPEAL

03:13 - 19.369 TO CONSIDER WHETHER TV SHOULD

03:13 - 21.129 BE PERMITTED TO EITHER

03:13 - 22.309 INTERVENE IN THE

03:13 - 24.679 ADOPTION PROCEEDINGS OR

03:13 - 26.549 MAINTAIN HIS OWN PETITION TO

03:13 - 28.809 ADOPT A CHILD. NOW LET'S GO TO

03:13 - 30.339 THE COURTROOM TO HEAR THIS 5TH

03:13 - 32.569 ARGUMENT. THE CASE PERTAINS TO

03:13 - 34.669 A FORMER CAREGIVERS PLEASE

03:13 - 36.140 PROCEED. THANK YOU.

03:13 - 38.049 THE CASE FOR PERTAINS TO A

03:13 - 39.730 FORMER CARE DON'T CARE

03:13 - 42.109 CAREGIVERS MOTION WE'RE

03:13 - 43.629 INTERVENING IN ADOPTION

03:13 - 45.029 PROCEEDINGS OF THE 12 YEAR-OLD

03:13 - 47.479 CHILD. THE CARE GATE. GIVE HER

03:13 - 50.289 A SEARCH THAT HE IS IN LOCAL

03:13 - 52.239 PARENT, THIS WE'RE AT THE TIME

03:13 - 53.599 WE FOUND IS PETITION. HE WAS IN

03:13 - 54.639 LOCAL APPRENTICE TO

03:13 - 56.809 THE CHILD. AFTER HEARING ON A

03:13 - 58.449 MOTION TO INTERVENE THE TRIAL

03:13 - 59.969 COURT FOUND THE CARE DAY CARE

03:13 - 01.470 GABER LACK STANDING

03:14 - 03.029 BECAUSE HE FAILED TO

03:14 - 04.229 DEMONSTRATE THAT HE IS

03:14 - 06.049 CURRENTLY IS ACTING IN LOCAL

03:14 - 07.549 PARENTS ON APPEAL, THE SPIRIT

03:14 - 09.739 COURT AFFIRMED ON THE BASIS OF

03:14 - 10.929 THE CARETAKER FAILED TO

03:14 - 12.589 DEMONSTRATE IN LOCAL PRENTICE

03:14 - 13.829 BE GRANTED ALLOWED TO BUILD A

03:14 - 14.480 CHAIRMAN WHETHER

03:14 - 16.799 LOWER COURTS MISINTERPRET OR

03:14 - 18.509 MISAPPLIED PENNSYLVANIA LAW AS

03:14 - 20.189 IT RELATES TO IN LOGO PREVENT

03:14 - 22.119 THE STANDING IN AN ADOPTION

03:14 - 25.919 PROCEEDING. EDITION TO THE

03:14 - 26.920 MERITS.

03:14 - 30.680 I THINK PERHAPS I WOULD WOULD

03:14 - 33.879 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTING ON

03:14 - 36.459 WHETHER THE CHILD AT AGE

03:14 - 39.939 12 IS REFUSING. CONSENT TO

03:14 - 41.529 ADOPTION WHICH WOULD JUST MOVE

03:14 - 43.609 THE ENTIRE CASE. IF IT WAS

03:14 - 44.919 RECOVERED TO THE TO THE

03:14 - 47.079 TRIAL COURT MAY PLEASE THE

03:14 - 47.990 COURT I START TO INTRODUCE

03:14 - 49.330 MYSELF AFTERNOON YOUR HONORS.

03:14 - 50.799 MURRAY HE TELLS US THERE FOR

03:14 - 52.869 THE PALATE YOU'RE ON AND THE

03:14 - 54.120 GUARDS HERE QUESTION.

03:14 - 57.140 ABOUT THE CHILD'S CONSENT.

03:14 - 59.049 I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A MATTER

03:14 - 00.809 TO BE DETERMINED AT THE ACTUAL

03:15 - 01.900 ADOPTION HEARING

03:15 - 03.639 FOR THE HEARING ON THE MERITS

03:15 - 05.829 BUT IN REGARDS TO STANDING THAT

03:15 - 06.830 SHOULDN'T BE PART OF

03:15 - 10.659 EVALUATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER

03:15 - 12.579 OR NOT APPELLATE HAS STANDING

03:15 - 13.580 TO EVEN FILE.

03:15 - 16.179 IN OTHER WORDS IN OTHER

03:15 - 18.349 WORDS, FIRST WE NEED TO DECIDE

03:15 - 20.849 STANDING CORRECT. WE CAN SENSE

03:15 - 23.069 IN ANY MERITS ISSUES THAT'S NOT

03:15 - 24.600 BEFORE US TODAY, CORRECT.

03:15 - 26.499 WE THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE

03:15 - 27.980 RECORD UNCLEAR.

03:15 - 30.929 WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE THE

03:15 - 31.989 CHILD WILL CONSENT

03:15 - 32.480 OR NOT.

03:15 - 33.899 THERE WAS NEVER EVER ANY

03:15 - 35.549 EVIDENCE PRESENTED ONE WHERE

03:15 - 38.289 TO ANOTHER OUTSIDE OF A MENTION

03:15 - 39.629 IN CHILD ADVOCATES BRIEF THAT

03:15 - 41.179 THE CHILD WILL IS NOT WILLING

03:15 - 42.399 TO CONSENT SO THAT WAS NEVER

03:15 - 43.709 EVEN LITIGATED THINK THAT'S

03:15 - 44.939 FAIR ENOUGH SO WHY DON'T WE GET

03:15 - 45.959 TO THE STANDING AND

03:15 - 47.439 INTERVENTION IN LOCAL CURRENT

03:15 - 48.440 US.

03:15 - 50.359 MAY I ASK ONE MORE CLARIFYING

03:15 - 52.309 QUESTION THIS YOUR CLIENT

03:15 - 54.489 CURRENTLY HAVE A PETITION TO

03:15 - 55.080 ADOPT.

03:15 - 57.009 YES, AND A PETITION TO ADOPT

03:15 - 58.999 AND IT WAS ALSO FILED AND IT IT

03:15 - 59.110 IS

03:15 - 01.640 STILL PENDING. I BELIEVE THAT

03:16 - 04.580 TRIAL COURT DISMISSED THE INTER

03:16 - 06.059 THE PETITION TO INTERVENE ON

03:16 - 07.459 THE ADOPTION. HE ALSO DISMISSED

03:16 - 09.769 A PETITION TO IT THAT WAY YOU

03:16 - 11.470 HE DID NOT VOLUNTARILY.

03:16 - 14.469 HE DID NOT THE PETITION.

03:16 - 15.470 THANK YOU.

03:16 - 20.459 BASICALLY TRIAL COURT

03:16 - 22.729 ARGUMENT IS APPELLATE DOES NOT

03:16 - 24.439 HAVE STANDING BECAUSE AT THE

03:16 - 26.039 CURRENT TIME OF THE HEARING

03:16 - 27.189 APPELLATE DID NOT STAND IN

03:16 - 28.190 LOCAL PRINT THIS.

03:16 - 30.269 SO THE ISSUE IS IS THE ISSUE

03:16 - 33.549 HERE IS TRIAL COURTS. USE AND

03:16 - 35.169 DEFINITION OF CURRENTLY

03:16 - 37.510 STANDING IN LOCAL PRENTISS SO

03:16 - 40.220 WE CAN SAY THE FACT THAT DHS

03:16 - 42.210 WAS INVOLVED IN THIS CASE

03:16 - 44.049 SHOWERS ARE MOVING DHS THE

03:16 - 45.609 CUSTODY OF THE CHILD THEREFORE

03:16 - 47.719 TO SAY THAT A PELLET DID

03:16 - 49.579 NOT STAND CURRENTLY IN LOCAL

03:16 - 51.380 PRINCE'S IS TO AXE THE POT TOO.

03:16 - 53.600 ACCOMPLISH A

03:16 - 55.059 FEAT THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHED

03:16 - 56.659 ABUL BECAUSE ONCE THE CHEST AND

03:16 - 58.180 THEN THAT BOND

03:16 - 00.109 THAT STAT STANDARD OF A NICKEL

03:17 - 02.339 FOR THIS IS KIND IT SEEMS TO ME

03:17 - 04.810 A VERY SUBTLE WORD GAME.

03:17 - 08.799 IT IT IS I UNDERSTAND THE

03:17 - 11.169 LINE CORRECTLY IF IF I MISS

03:17 - 14.010 UNDERSTAND IT. AT THE TIME.

03:17 - 15.200 AND

03:17 - 19.100 IN PERSON. BILES TOO. DOT

03:17 - 20.730 CORRECT. THEY MUST.

03:17 - 21.930 B.

03:17 - 23.930 IN LOCAL FRIENDS TO THE CHOW

03:17 - 25.149 WELL I DO NOT HAVE

03:17 - 27.989 TO BE SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR A

03:17 - 29.519 PERIOD OF DAYS OR WEEKS OR

03:17 - 31.200 MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.

03:17 - 32.770 SO FOR INSTANCE, THE

03:17 - 35.079 CHILD'S 15, SOMEBODY RAISE A

03:17 - 37.039 CHILD FOR 14 AND A HALF MONTHS

03:17 - 38.369 FOR 6 MONTHS, HE'S BEEN

03:17 - 40.439 INDISPOSED THE 6 MONTHS, THE

03:17 - 42.069 FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT LIVING

03:17 - 43.169 WITH THE CHILD AT THAT POINT

03:17 - 44.289 DOESN'T DESTROYING LOCAL

03:17 - 46.620 PRENTICE ON THE OTHER HAND

03:17 - 47.520 CLOSER TO

03:17 - 49.769 THIS CASE YOU'RE WITH THE CHILD

03:17 - 51.439 FOR 5 YEARS YOU NOT WITH THE

03:17 - 52.550 CHILD FOR 6 YEARS.

03:17 - 54.179 I THINK THERE'S A REAL QUESTION

03:17 - 54.550 IF YOUR

03:17 - 56.799 LOCAL PRACTICE THAT IS THAT

03:17 - 58.329 YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOW

03:17 - 59.370 IN LOCAL PRESS.

03:18 - 03.039 LET ME START BUT YOU ASKED

03:18 - 06.249 ABOUT ADOPTING IN THE ABILITY

03:18 - 07.250 TO ADOPT I

03:18 - 09.199 IT'S CLEAR THAT THE ADOPTIONS

03:18 - 11.209 ACCESS ANYBODY CAN FILE TO

03:18 - 13.499 ADOPT WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE

03:18 - 14.730 ARGUMENT OR THE QUESTION.

03:18 - 17.949 WHY DOES YOUR CLIENT NOT JUST

03:18 - 20.519 FILE A PETITION TO ADOPT AS

03:18 - 21.809 OPPOSED TO A PETITION

03:18 - 23.649 TO INTERVENE AND THEY CARE AND

03:18 - 25.669 ADOPTION BECAUSE AT THAT BUT HE

03:18 - 27.889 WITHDREW IT OR NOT THE COURT.

03:18 - 29.649 YES. JOHN AT THE TIME THE

03:18 - 32.200 REASON WE STARTED WITH IT.

03:18 - 34.659 INTERVENING MOTION WAS THE

03:18 - 36.249 MATERNAL HAD ALREADY FILED AN

03:18 - 37.689 ADOPTION PETITION. THERE WAS

03:18 - 40.420 ALREADY A ADOPTION SOMEWHAT IN

03:18 - 42.119 ADOPTION PROCEEDING SOMEWHAT IN

03:18 - 43.959 PLACE. SO WE WERE FALLING TO

03:18 - 45.359 INTERVENE AND THEN WE ALSO

03:18 - 46.399 FILED THEIR OWN ADOPTION

03:18 - 47.100 PETITION IN A

03:18 - 50.099 DISTINCT ON WITHIN I WANT TO

03:18 - 51.589 SAY LESS THAN A MONTH. WE FILED

03:18 - 53.179 AN ADOPTION OF THE DESCENT TO

03:18 - 55.019 INTERVIEW FIRST DECEMBER THE

03:18 - 56.419 PETITION TO INTERVENE WAS FILED

03:18 - 57.529 JANUARY THE BEGINNING OF

03:18 - 59.800 JANUARY PETITION TO ADOPT

03:18 - 00.959 WITH ONE OUT AND THAT WAS ALL

03:19 - 02.759 PRIOR TO ANY COURT PROCEEDING

03:19 - 04.479 STARTING WHICH BRINGS US TO THE

03:19 - 06.049 INTERESTING ISSUE BEFORE THIS

03:19 - 07.929 COURT AND THE AL QAEDA ISSUE TO

03:19 - 08.300 COURT.

03:19 - 10.459 GRANT IT IS THAT THE TRIAL

03:19 - 12.439 COURT OR BY MISINTERPRETING IN

03:19 - 14.989 THIS APPLYING THE LAW AND OUR

03:19 - 16.270 APPELLATE COURT DECISIONS.

03:19 - 18.649 DENYING CREEPY STANDING TO

03:19 - 19.650 INTERVENE.

03:19 - 21.679 DESPITE AN COUNTRY VERY TO

03:19 - 23.619 PROVE THAT TO BE STOOD IN LOCAL

03:19 - 25.169 PARENT PAY FOR THE SUBJECT

03:19 - 26.509 CHILD BY ASSUMING THE ROLE OF

03:19 - 27.130 DISCHARGING.

03:19 - 29.119 THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHERE

03:19 - 30.440 IS IT IN THE STATUTE.

03:19 - 33.179 BUT THERE IS A NEED OR A

03:19 - 35.489 REQUIREMENT FOR A LOCAL PROGRAM

03:19 - 38.639 TODAY. THE AND A TO INTERVENE

03:19 - 41.400 IN AN ADOPTION. THE ADOPTION.

03:19 - 42.829 ACTOR MEAN THERE'S NO

03:19 - 44.470 REQUIREMENTS AND ADOPTION ACT.

03:19 - 46.559 HOWEVER I THINK THE ISSUE OF

03:19 - 47.769 STANDING IS MORE COURT

03:19 - 50.099 PROCEDURE WHO HAS STANDING TO

03:19 - 52.819 BRING FORTH. A CLAIM A CASE, A

03:19 - 54.820 PETITION. SO

03:19 - 56.219 PROCEDURALLY THAT'S HOW THE

03:19 - 57.919 TRIAL COURT WAS MOVING FORWARD

03:19 - 00.880 IN LOCAL IS REALLY A A A A.

03:20 - 04.180 A TERM OF ART CREATED.

03:20 - 06.839 IN CUSTODY. CORRECT BUT

03:20 - 08.989 YOU'RE NOW YOU'RE ASKING THIS

03:20 - 11.220 COURT TO ADOPT THAT

03:20 - 13.619 CUSTODIAL STANDARD AND THEN THE

03:20 - 14.800 ADOPTION ARENA.

03:20 - 17.499 WE ALL THINK I'M HERE TODAY

03:20 - 19.079 ASKING THE COURT TO ADOPT ANY

03:20 - 20.729 SPECIFIC THING MY ARGUMENT IS

03:20 - 22.260 THAT TRIAL COURT MISS IT.

03:20 - 24.710 MISSED WE APPLIED THE LAW

03:20 - 26.459 BY DENYING MY CLIENT STANDING

03:20 - 27.859 TO EVEN MOVE FORWARD IN THE

03:20 - 29.439 ADOPTION PROCESS THAT WE GOT

03:20 - 30.440 BACK JUST A MOMENT.

03:20 - 32.619 THE THE LOCAL LOCAL PRET

03:20 - 34.939 A STANDARD OR ICE IS WHAT'S

03:20 - 37.109 BEEN COMMON LAW FOR A LONG LONG

03:20 - 40.089 TIME BUT IN PENNSYLVANIA, IT IS

03:20 - 41.429 IN THE CUSTODY

03:20 - 43.759 STATUTE, CORRECT AS A

03:20 - 45.329 REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S NOT IN

03:20 - 47.479 THE ADOPTION. STATUES NO NOT AT

03:20 - 48.480 ALL SO UP

03:20 - 50.779 TO FILE A PETITION FOR ADOPTION

03:20 - 52.679 UNDER PENNSYLVANIA LAW ANY

03:20 - 54.979 PERSON CAN I CAN FILE A

03:20 - 56.839 PETITION TO ROUTES OST YOU

03:20 - 00.009 KNOW STATUTORY LOCAL PREMISE IS

03:21 - 02.219 NOT REQUIRED WES THAT STANDING

03:21 - 03.630 CONCEPT IS NOT REQUIRED.

03:21 - 06.439 HOWEVER I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT

03:21 - 08.440 COURTS HAVE TRADITIONALLY

03:21 - 11.229 VIEWED IN LOCAL PURINA SAYS

03:21 - 12.339 PART OF

03:21 - 15.289 THE ADOPTION. PETITION PROCESS

03:21 - 16.669 OR AT LEAST PART OF THE

03:21 - 17.270 PETITION TO

03:21 - 19.759 INTERVENE PROCESS. AND I WONDER

03:21 - 22.149 IF COULD YOU CLARIFY IS IT

03:21 - 24.179 DIFFERENT AND A PETITION

03:21 - 26.679 FOR ADOPTION. FROM A PETITION

03:21 - 28.919 TO INTERVENE IN AN EXISTING

03:21 - 30.429 ADOPTION PROCEEDING AND I'M

03:21 - 31.809 ASKING WITH HER WITH

03:21 - 34.620 RESPECT TO THIS REQUIREMENT.

03:21 - 38.540 OF LOCAL APPRENTICE WELL

03:21 - 40.370 AS YOUR HONOR IS

03:21 - 43.459 SOMETIMES PROCEDURE HAPPENS AND

03:21 - 44.370 IT'S FOLLOWED AND IT'S NOT

03:21 - 47.429 NECESSARILY LAW. LIKE WE STATED

03:21 - 49.159 THE ADOPTION ACT JUST SET DOES

03:21 - 51.019 SAY ANYONE CAN FILE FOR AN

03:21 - 51.640 ADOPTION.

03:21 - 52.989 I THINK IT'S JUST BECOME

03:21 - 55.220 COMMON LAW AND COMMON PROCEDURE

03:21 - 57.969 THE CERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THIS

03:21 - 00.209 PERSON HAS A VESTED INTEREST TO

03:22 - 02.569 EVEN FILE A GENUINE INTEREST TO

03:22 - 03.570 EVEN FILE

03:22 - 05.229 TO ADOPT THE CHILD SO THEREFORE

03:22 - 06.369 THAT'S WHEN THE WHOLE CONCEPT

03:22 - 07.399 OF A LOCAL PRINT THIS CAME

03:22 - 08.400 INTO.

03:22 - 09.920 INTO MINE.

03:22 - 11.729 SO KIND OF MIGRATED FROM

03:22 - 14.109 CUSTODY CASES OVER TO ADOPTION

03:22 - 15.410 CASES, CORRECT.

03:22 - 17.400 IT YOU'RE NOT HERE TODAY.

03:22 - 19.310 WE TO ARGUE.

03:22 - 21.260 THAT IN

03:22 - 23.739 LOCAL PRENTICE IS NOT NECESSARY

03:22 - 25.039 RATHER YOU'RE HERE TO ARGUE

03:22 - 26.519 THAT YOUR CLIENT IS IN LOCAL

03:22 - 27.090 PRINT THIS.

03:22 - 30.199 THAT IS TRUE I THINK IF IF IF

03:22 - 32.669 YOU KNOW, BUT I'M MY WIFE ARE

03:22 - 34.739 WONDERFUL PARENTS IN THIS SEEMS

03:22 - 36.250 TO BE A THAT WRIST OUT

03:22 - 37.679 AND I THINK WE CAN TAKE BETTER

03:22 - 38.420 CARE THAN

03:22 - 40.269 ANYBODY ELSE. I CAN'T FILE A

03:22 - 41.709 PETITION TO ADOPT HIM AND GET

03:22 - 42.710 TO THE MERITS CAN I.

03:22 - 45.740 TAKE A I'VE

03:22 - 47.059 NEVER MET HIM, I'VE NEVER MET

03:22 - 48.789 ANY OF THEM MY ALL MY EXPOSURE

03:22 - 50.790 IS GETTING READY FOR THIS JUST

03:22 - 52.419 JUST TO CLARIFY YOU'RE SAYING

03:22 - 54.339 YOU'RE TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL

03:22 - 56.299 STRANGER. CORRECT AMONG THE GO

03:22 - 58.519 WHAT LEGAL STRANGER. I AM A

03:22 - 01.469 LITTLE STRANGE. SO YOU COULD

03:23 - 03.639 FILE, BUT YOU WOULD BE DENIED

03:23 - 04.729 BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO KIND OF

03:23 - 05.859 CONNECTION TO THE CHILD THERE

03:23 - 07.179 YOU BE DENIED ON THE MERITS.

03:23 - 08.239 HE WOULDN'T BE DENIED FROM

03:23 - 10.899 STANDING THE STATUTE ANY PERSON

03:23 - 12.640 CORRECT ON THE MERITS.

03:23 - 14.130 WAIT A MINUTE I I'M

03:23 - 16.949 NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE AND THEIR

03:23 - 18.899 QUESTION AS I UNDERSTAND IS I

03:23 - 20.210 UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT.

03:23 - 22.220 I

03:23 - 24.409 THINK THE IT'S IT'S NOT THAT

03:23 - 26.729 ANY INDIVIDUAL CAN FILE IT IN

03:23 - 27.969 THE INDIVIDUAL MAY BECOME AN

03:23 - 30.480 ADOPTIVE THAT'S THAT

03:23 - 32.189 SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE ARE

03:23 - 34.129 TALKING ABOUT HERE IS I

03:23 - 35.130 THOUGHT.

03:23 - 39.469 IN YOUR ASSERTION IS THAT THE

03:23 - 40.530 TRIAL COURT

03:23 - 42.919 FAILED TO WE CONVENE AN

03:23 - 44.860 ADEQUATE HEARING ON STANDING.

03:23 - 46.389 AND THAT YOUR CLIENT SHOULD

03:23 - 46.650 HAVE BEEN

03:23 - 48.629 GRANTED STANDING AND WE'RE NOT

03:23 - 50.599 HERE TO DETERMINE THE MERITS OF

03:23 - 52.219 ANY ADOPTION THAT MAY OR MAY

03:23 - 54.359 NOT OCCUR ONCE THE COURT HEARS

03:23 - 55.549 THE MERE OF MERIT, IT'S

03:23 - 57.579 JUST THAT YOUR CLIENT, YOUR

03:23 - 59.509 CLIENT UNDER INFORMED IT UNDER

03:23 - 01.389 AND LOOK APPRENTICE WAS

03:24 - 02.419 ENTITLED TO A SEAT AT

03:24 - 05.619 THE TABLE. AND WAS IMPROPERLY

03:24 - 07.950 DENIED STANDING IS THAT EXACTLY

03:24 - 10.879 EXACTLY BECAUSE YOUR CLIENT IS

03:24 - 12.759 IN LOCAL CORRECT BECAUSE

03:24 - 14.569 HE DID AND IN LOCAL PRINT

03:24 - 16.059 EDITION. FINALLY FINALLY LET'S

03:24 - 17.830 GET DOWN TO JUST THAT IS OKAY.

03:24 - 19.579 HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE FACT

03:24 - 20.580 THAT THAT.

03:24 - 22.899 THE TRIAL JUDGE FOUND HIM NOT

03:24 - 24.749 TO BE CREDIBLE. I YOU KNOW WE

03:24 - 26.529 ALL READ THE TRIAL JUDGE'S

03:24 - 28.379 OPINION AND UNDERSTAND THAT FOR

03:24 - 29.739 WHATEVER REASON HE APPEARED TO

03:24 - 31.479 BE SOMEWHAT INTOLERANT OF YOUR

03:24 - 33.489 CLIENT, BUT BUT PUTTING THAT

03:24 - 34.749 ASIDE BECAUSE HE STILL THE

03:24 - 36.429 TRIAL JUDGE AND HE MAKES

03:24 - 38.120 CREDIBILITY DETERMINATIONS.

03:24 - 41.080 85 YOU COULD NOT CREDIBLE.

03:24 - 42.759 HE FOUND THAT THE FACTS OF THE

03:24 - 44.379 CASE WHERE THAT YOUR CLIENT HAD

03:24 - 45.949 NOT HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

03:24 - 48.000 CHILD. OVER THE LAST 6 YEARS.

03:24 - 51.639 PRECLUDE A LOCAL PRINT TO

03:24 - 53.999 STANDING. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE

03:24 - 54.930 I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY

03:24 - 55.930 AROUND.

03:24 - 57.260 YES HE DID FIND

03:24 - 59.979 HE DIDN'T MAKE A DISCRETIONARY

03:24 - 01.510 DETERMINATION ON CREDIBILITY

03:25 - 02.420 AND THEN YOU SAID

03:25 - 03.650 I DIDN'T HEAR YOU CORRECTLY

03:25 - 05.179 WHEN YOU SAID THE THING FOUND I

03:25 - 06.719 THOUGHT THAT YOUR CLIENT HAD

03:25 - 08.149 NOT HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

03:25 - 09.869 CHILD OVER THE PAST 6 YEARS

03:25 - 10.870 BEFORE THE HEARING.

03:25 - 13.380 WE KIND AGES 5.11.

03:25 - 16.290 IN REGARDS

03:25 - 20.019 TO THE TRIAL COURT ABSOLUTELY

03:25 - 21.189 HAS DISCRETION TO MAKE A

03:25 - 23.199 CREDIBILITY JUDGMENT, HOWEVER

03:25 - 25.299 FACTS ARE FACTS. THE FACT IS

03:25 - 27.259 THAT THE TALENT LIVE IN THE

03:25 - 28.640 SAME HOME WITH THIS CHILD

03:25 - 30.669 FOR THE FIRST 5 FORMATIVE YEARS

03:25 - 32.409 OF THAT CHILD'S LIFE. HE DID

03:25 - 33.830 DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES FOR HER.

03:25 - 34.500 HE TOOK HER TO A

03:25 - 36.659 DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, EVEN THE

03:25 - 38.550 SITUATION THAT COMMITS THE DHS

03:25 - 40.269 STEPPING IN IT WAS

03:25 - 41.180 A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT THAT A

03:25 - 42.889 PARENT TO THE CHILD TO SO

03:25 - 44.419 HE DID ASSUME RESPONSIBILITIES

03:25 - 45.950 AS A PARENT HE DID COMPLETE

03:25 - 47.520 PARENTAL DUTIES FOR THE CHOP

03:25 - 49.170 THAT'S A FACT BUT THAT'S THE

03:25 - 52.760 THAT THAT'S.

03:25 - 56.139 CONTESTING THE THE ISSUE ON THE

03:25 - 58.899 GROUND THAT I THOUGHT WAS NOT I

03:25 - 00.239 THOUGHT THE ISSUE HERE IS

03:26 - 01.719 WHETHER THERE WAS A LEAK THE

03:26 - 03.699 ISSUE FOR US IS WHETHER THERE

03:26 - 05.600 WAS A LEGAL AIR IN OTHER WORDS.

03:26 - 07.969 THE FIRM. THE TRIAL

03:26 - 10.510 JUDGE SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER.

03:26 - 11.880 IF.

03:26 - 15.809 WAS IN LOCAL PRINTERS FOR THAT

03:26 - 17.939 5 YEARS CORRECT BECAUSE THE

03:26 - 19.869 LAW. SOME IN

03:26 - 22.170 KUWAIT LAW REQUIRES

03:26 - 24.789 CURRENT IN LOCAL PRINT A STATUS

03:26 - 26.359 AND THAT SEEMS TO ME. YES THAT

03:26 - 28.259 IS THE LEGAL ISSUE BEFORE US IS

03:26 - 29.750 WHETHER THAT WAS CORRECT

03:26 - 32.029 AND I I HAVEN'T FOUND

03:26 - 33.030 AUTHORITY.

03:26 - 36.649 FOR WHY CURRENT LOCAL PRINTER

03:26 - 38.719 STATUS IS REQUIRED BECAUSE I

03:26 - 40.039 THINK IT'S ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES

03:26 - 41.670 SUGGESTED THAT WOULD

03:26 - 43.399 OR MAYBE YOU SUGGEST KNOW WOULD

03:26 - 44.489 BE A NON-STARTER

03:26 - 46.049 AND THAT IN THIS PERSON THAT

03:26 - 48.289 THE POSSIBLE FOSTER BECAUSE DHS

03:26 - 49.649 IS INVOLVED IT'S ABSOLUTELY

03:26 - 51.420 IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE.

03:26 - 52.940 OUTSIDE OF DHS

03:26 - 54.799 TO CURRENTLY HAVE THE IN LOCAL

03:26 - 56.459 PRINT THE STATUS BECAUSE ONE 76

03:26 - 58.149 YEAR GAP HERE RIGHT IT THERE IS

03:26 - 59.469 A 6 CARE GAP IN THE WERE IN THE

03:26 - 01.439 LAW DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

03:27 - 02.020 THERE MUST BE A

03:27 - 03.889 ONE-DAY GAP A ONE-WEEK APP 6

03:27 - 05.589 THAT GETS THE GAPS IN A ROW,

03:27 - 07.519 BUT THE QUESTION IS AT THE

03:27 - 08.969 MOMENT HE FILED

03:27 - 10.050 THE PETITION.

03:27 - 12.399 WAS HE STANDING IN LOCAL

03:27 - 13.400 PRINT THIS.

03:27 - 17.279 AT THE MOMENT, NOBLE, HOWEVER,

03:27 - 18.409 THAT IS NOT THE QUESTIONS

03:27 - 19.420 THAT'S NOT THE LAW.

03:27 - 21.370 RIGHT BACK BUT THAT STICK

03:27 - 22.929 THAT'S WHAT JUSTICE WHERE

03:27 - 24.309 THAT'S AT THE TRIAL

03:27 - 27.249 COURT FOUND. THE EXACT HE'S GOT

03:27 - 28.519 THE CHIEF JUSTICE JUST

03:27 - 31.069 ARTICULATE DID HE STAND IN

03:27 - 33.460 CURRENT GROUP IN LOCAL STATUS.

03:27 - 36.909 DESPITE A 6 YEAR ABSENCE IN THE

03:27 - 38.020 QUESTION WOULD BE.

03:27 - 41.239 IS THAT THE ABANDONMENT OF

03:27 - 43.889 THIS LEGALLY RECOGNIZABLE

03:27 - 46.009 STATUS. THE QUESTION THAT I

03:27 - 47.559 WOULD HAVE TO THAT IS IT FOR

03:27 - 50.479 TAKING CONSIDERATION OF POST

03:27 - 53.619 SEPARATION IN OUR TERMINATION

03:27 - 56.069 PROCEEDINGS, 2511 A ONE GIVE

03:27 - 57.740 GENTLE ALLOTMENT OF 6 MONTHS.

03:27 - 00.160 WHY SHOULD WE NOT CONSIDER.

03:28 - 01.110 POST

03:28 - 03.499 SEPARATION CONTACT IN WHETHER

03:28 - 05.309 THEY SHOULD BE REUNITED WITH

03:28 - 06.310 THE CHILD.

03:28 - 08.859 WHY ON AN ORDER TO ARGUE THAT

03:28 - 10.429 I'M GOING TO BRING INTO ACCOUNT

03:28 - 12.040 SOME FACTS. SO.

03:28 - 15.249 SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ARGUED OR

03:28 - 16.509 REALLY TOUCHED UPON IS THE FACT

03:28 - 17.839 THAT A PILOT HAS ALWAYS BEEN

03:28 - 19.509 HERE THROUGHOUT THE THE

03:28 - 20.779 DEPENDENCY PROCEED IN A POLL

03:28 - 21.979 HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT ONE POINT IN

03:28 - 23.179 TIME A PILL AND VISITS WITH

03:28 - 24.460 THE CHILD. A

03:28 - 26.559 PELLETS THAT GIFT TO THE APPEAL

03:28 - 28.699 HAS ALWAYS TRIED ON HIS AND HOW

03:28 - 29.979 TO LET ME INTERRUPT YOU, YEAH,

03:28 - 31.469 I DON'T WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE

03:28 - 32.719 LEGAL QUESTION BY CHANGING THE

03:28 - 33.720 FACTS.

03:28 - 36.040 I THINK THE QUESTION TO ASK

03:28 - 38.800 IT IS THE SHOW HYPOTHETICALLY

03:28 - 40.409 THAT HE SAW THE CHILD FOR THE

03:28 - 42.099 FIRST 5 YEARS YOU NOT SEE THE

03:28 - 43.440 CHILD FOR THE NEXT 6 YEARS.

03:28 - 45.599 SO FOR THE FIRST 5 YEARS

03:28 - 46.809 HE ESTABLISHED THE LOCAL

03:28 - 48.309 PRACTICE DIRECTOR OVER THE NEXT

03:28 - 49.399 6 YEARS HE WAS NOT

03:28 - 51.669 LOCAL PRESS AT THE TIME HE TOOK

03:28 - 53.289 HIS PERFECT HIS PETITION FOR

03:28 - 55.389 ADOPTION DOWN TO THE 5 OF

03:28 - 55.890 OFFICE AND

03:28 - 58.539 HANDED IT WHAT DOES HE MAINTAIN

03:28 - 00.189 HIS IN THE LOCAL PRESS FROM 5

03:29 - 02.170 YEARS PAST THE SUNNI 6 YEARS.

03:29 - 04.309 YOUR HONOR AS YOU STATED TO

03:29 - 05.389 ME THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS YOU

03:29 - 06.700 CAN'T CHANGE THE FACT THE FACTS

03:29 - 08.739 IS THE FACT THAT HE DID STAND

03:29 - 11.149 IN LOCAL PRINT THIS. REGARDLESS

03:29 - 12.929 OF THE 6 YEAR GET AT ONE POINT

03:29 - 13.949 IN TIME HE STOOD IN LOCAL

03:29 - 14.620 PARENT SAYS.

03:29 - 16.259 I THINK WE'RE FINALLY GETTING

03:29 - 17.719 THERE IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT

03:29 - 19.759 ONCE YOU OBTAIN IN LOCAL

03:29 - 21.659 PRENTICE STATUS. YOU NEVER LOSE

03:29 - 23.000 IT. YES.

03:29 - 24.559 BUT I MEAN IF YOU CAN PROVE

03:29 - 25.689 THAT YOU STOOD IN LOCAL

03:29 - 27.430 PRINCESS AND YOU HAVE A GENUINE

03:29 - 30.939 RIGHT TO FILE SOME KIND OF

03:29 - 32.659 ADOPTION PROCEEDING. IF YOU

03:29 - 33.660 HAVE IT.

03:29 - 36.339 THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH IF YOU'RE

03:29 - 37.609 THE BIOLOGICAL MOM AND

03:29 - 39.739 THE CHILD. YOU NEVER LOSE IT OR

03:29 - 41.079 ANYTHING WE WANT TO SAY THANK

03:29 - 42.849 YOU BY THE LOCAL FRIEND CORRECT

03:29 - 43.460 BECAUSE I MEAN.

03:29 - 45.119 AS WE PREVIOUS THEY THE FACTS

03:29 - 46.589 ARE FACTS. YOU CAN'T GO BACK

03:29 - 48.349 AND RETHINK THE PAST. HE STOOD

03:29 - 49.979 IN LOCAL PRESS FOR THIS CHILD I

03:29 - 51.199 DO CONCEDE THAT THERE WAS A

03:29 - 52.400 SIX-YEAR GAP.

03:29 - 54.769 BUT HOWEVER THERE WAS NEVER AN

03:29 - 56.050 ABANDONMENT AS.

03:29 - 58.160 OTHER COUNCILS WOULD LIKE

03:29 - 59.679 COUNCIL LIKE IT IS

03:29 - 02.489 AND THAT THE THING ABOUT THOSE

03:30 - 03.609 FACTS ABOUT THOSE

03:30 - 04.840 6 YEAR FAXON.

03:30 - 06.629 THOSE WILL BE MERITS ISSUES

03:30 - 08.029 RESURRECT THAT'S THE POINT

03:30 - 09.939 WHERE HERE ON STANDING IS NOT

03:30 - 10.580 RIGHT FOR IT.

03:30 - 12.559 WE'RE BASICALLY HERE MY

03:30 - 13.420 OPPONENT IS TRYING TO GET

03:30 - 13.950 THROUGH THE DOOR

03:30 - 15.249 ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THE DOOR

03:30 - 16.539 THEN THERE'S ANOTHER EVALUATION

03:30 - 18.109 THAT'S DONE ON THE MERITS AND A

03:30 - 19.060 LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE

03:30 - 20.529 BEEN BROUGHT UP TO KEEP HIM

03:30 - 21.510 FROM EVEN COMING THROUGH THE

03:30 - 23.119 DOOR, OUR MARRIAGE ISSUES THAT

03:30 - 24.579 SHOULD BE DETERMINED AND ACTUAL

03:30 - 26.009 ADOPTION HEARING WHETHER OR NOT

03:30 - 27.449 THE CHILD CAN SENSE WHETHER OR

03:30 - 28.440 NOT IT'S IN THE CHILD'S BEST

03:30 - 29.719 INTEREST WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S

03:30 - 31.409 ACTUALLY A BOND. IT DOESN'T

03:30 - 32.610 CHANGE THE FACTS THAT

03:30 - 34.219 HE HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO WALK

03:30 - 35.000 THROUGH THE DOOR ONCE THE

03:30 - 35.990 TICKET TO GET INTO THE

03:30 - 36.810 SHOP DIRECT.

03:30 - 40.489 WE ASK I ASKED THIS EARLIER

03:30 - 42.679 AND IF IF YOU ANSWER FORGIVE ME

03:30 - 44.069 BECAUSE I WE

03:30 - 46.679 DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER

03:30 - 47.680 IF YOU DID.

03:30 - 50.249 WITH RESPECT TO STANDING WHICH

03:30 - 50.620 IS WHAT WE'RE

03:30 - 52.939 FOCUSED ON IS THERE A DIFFERENT

03:30 - 55.949 STANDARD IN TERMS OF STAND

03:30 - 59.169 STANDING 4 FILING THE PETITION

03:30 - 01.029 FOR ADOPTION AND FILING THE

03:31 - 02.220 PETITION TO INTERVENE.

03:31 - 05.849 STANDING IS NOT SOMETHING

03:31 - 07.479 THAT OUTLINED AND ADOPTIONS

03:31 - 09.010 THAT REGARDS TO WHO CAN FILE.

03:31 - 12.490 APPELLATE HAD A RIGHT TO FIGHT.

03:31 - 15.039 HE WAS PRECLUDE IT FROM

03:31 - 16.999 FALLING. A PETITION FOR A DOG

03:31 - 18.389 PETITION FOR A DOT OKAY AND

03:31 - 19.439 THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE

03:31 - 19.940 PETITION

03:31 - 20.940 TO INTERVENE.

03:31 - 22.609 AND IN REGARDS TO PETITION TO

03:31 - 25.149 INTERVENE THE PROCESS THAT THE

03:31 - 26.150 TRIAL COURT.

03:31 - 27.939 CONDUCT IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT

03:31 - 29.879 HE HAD STANDING TO INTERVENE

03:31 - 32.069 RIGHT. SO I'M ASKING WHERE ARE

03:31 - 33.849 THEY DIFFERENT IS THERE A

03:31 - 34.850 DIFFERENCE.

03:31 - 39.089 I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE FOR

03:31 - 40.939 YOU GOT FOR ME THROUGH LIFE

03:31 - 42.759 SIDE CORRECT WERE ALSO THE

03:31 - 45.119 FIRST MAJOR 2327 WHO MAY

03:31 - 46.820 INTERVENE AT THE TO THAT.

03:31 - 47.960 IT'S A BIT.

03:31 - 49.689 WHO MAY INTERVENE

03:31 - 52.589 A PERSON WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN

03:31 - 53.640 ORIGINALLY JOINED.

03:31 - 54.510 WHERE COULD

03:31 - 57.009 HAVE BEEN OR A DETERMINATION

03:31 - 58.809 THAT THE PERSON HAS A LEGALLY

03:31 - 00.939 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST. SO THE

03:32 - 02.549 DEFINITION OF LEGALLY

03:32 - 05.049 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST HAS BEEN

03:32 - 07.249 BROUGHT INTO THE ADOPTION

03:32 - 10.020 ARENA. UNDER THE ARMOR.

03:32 - 13.699 IN PER ENT A CORRECT. DESPITE

03:32 - 14.700 THE DEARTH.

03:32 - 16.270 OF LAW.

03:32 - 18.499 WHERE THIS COURT IMPRIMATUR

03:32 - 20.079 OVER THE USE OF A

03:32 - 22.119 CUSTODY STANDARD AND AN

03:32 - 24.579 ADOPTION PROCEEDING. AND THAT'S

03:32 - 26.119 THE ISSUE BEFORE THE COURT

03:32 - 27.499 TODAY. AS I

03:32 - 29.779 SAY IT AS JUSTICE WECHT HAS

03:32 - 32.379 INDICATED IT'S VERY MYOPIC IT'S

03:32 - 34.679 IS THERE STANDING DOES HE STAND

03:32 - 35.680 IN LOCAL

03:32 - 39.779 BASED UPON THE ACQUIRED HE'S A

03:32 - 42.009 SUDDEN THE KIDS SUMPTION OF

03:32 - 43.859 THOSE DUTIES AND HIS DISCHARGE

03:32 - 46.120 OF THOSE YEAH CORRECT JUST A

03:32 - 47.920 IT

03:32 - 50.409 COUNSEL BOB I THINK I'M I'M I'M

03:32 - 51.809 A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT

03:32 - 53.249 MAYBE WHAT YOUR CONCESSION NEWS

03:32 - 55.339 HERE ON ANY TIME THIS

03:32 - 57.449 PETITION TAKE THE STANDING

03:32 - 59.339 TO INTERVENE WHERE ISIS

03:32 - 02.009 STANDING TO FILE A PETITION FOR

03:33 - 03.950 ADOPTION IN FIRST INSTANCE.

03:33 - 06.749 IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT THEY

03:33 - 08.590 ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.

03:33 - 11.500 IT'S MY POSITION THAT ON ITS

03:33 - 13.819 BASE AND I APOLOGIZE TO

03:33 - 15.779 BE REDUNDANT. THE ADOPTION NEXT

03:33 - 17.770 JUST AS ANYBODY CAN FILE WE.

03:33 - 19.900 WE ENDED UP DOING BOTH BECAUSE

03:33 - 20.790 THERE WAS ALREADY IN THE

03:33 - 22.429 DASCHLE DIDN'T FILE AND MAYBE

03:33 - 24.309 MAYBE I'M NOT MAKING MY MY

03:33 - 25.390 QUESTION CLEAR.

03:33 - 28.899 IF YOU HAVE STANDING TO FILE

03:33 - 30.380 AN ADOPTION PETITION

03:33 - 34.339 BECAUSE THE ADOPTION STATUTE ON

03:33 - 35.000 ITS FACE

03:33 - 37.849 STATES NOT PRECLUDE ANYONE FROM

03:33 - 39.710 FILING AND ADOPTION PETITION.

03:33 - 41.909 AND YOU HAVE FILED AN

03:33 - 44.619 ADOPTION PETITION. WHY DOESN'T

03:33 - 46.539 THAT AUTOMATICALLY GIVE YOU

03:33 - 48.220 STANDING TO INTERVENE.

03:33 - 50.289 I HAVE BEEN EXISTING RIGHT.

03:33 - 51.319 THAT'S YOU'RE TRYING

03:33 - 54.649 TO EXERCISE AN OUTSTANDING

03:33 - 56.119 PROCEDURE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO

03:33 - 57.100 TAKE ADVANTAGE OF

03:33 - 59.789 AN ADOPTION. AND YOU WANT TO

03:33 - 00.999 INTERVENE IN

03:34 - 03.729 ANOTHER ADOPTION. PRECEDING

03:34 - 06.250 BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT

03:34 - 08.239 YOU'RE RIGHT TO PROCEED ON YOUR

03:34 - 09.489 OWN PETITION IS GOING TO BE

03:34 - 10.490 INTERFERED WITH.

03:34 - 12.849 WHY DO WE LOOK AT ENLOE

03:34 - 14.179 CO-PARENT THIS OR ANYTHING

03:34 - 14.570 ELSE.

03:34 - 17.369 WELL I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE

03:34 - 19.440 ARE. I WOULD AGREE

03:34 - 21.710 THAT THE THE PILOT HAD A RIGHT

03:34 - 24.179 FILE AND THEREFORE THAT BY

03:34 - 25.180 ITSELF SHOULD

03:34 - 26.799 TAKING HIM TO THE NEXT LEVEL

03:34 - 28.229 WHICH IS A HEARING ON THE

03:34 - 29.909 MERITS. WELL I'M SAYING IT

03:34 - 31.859 TAKES HIM TO THE NEXT LEVEL IN

03:34 - 33.639 THIS SITUATION EVERY CASE HE

03:34 - 34.760 GETS TO INTERVENE.

03:34 - 35.860 YES.

03:34 - 38.700 I'M IN SAYING YES HAHA.

03:34 - 40.840 I MEAN

03:34 - 42.579 ABSOLUTELY AGREEMENT WITH THAT

03:34 - 45.189 BUT THE SEA IN THAT CONTEXT TO

03:34 - 46.759 THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF LOCAL IN

03:34 - 48.459 LOCO PER AND KISS WHICH WE HAVE

03:34 - 50.979 NEVER BLAST THAT WHOLE ISSUE

03:34 - 51.970 IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS

03:34 - 52.970 EQUATION.

03:34 - 55.349 WELL I I THINK I THINK IT HAS

03:34 - 56.369 RELEVANCE FOR THE REASONS THAT

03:34 - 58.279 JUSTICE DAUGHERTY HAD INDICATED

03:34 - 58.690 THAT

03:34 - 59.690 THAT BECAUSE.

03:34 - 00.620 BECAUSE UNDER THE RULES OF

03:35 - 01.590 CIVIL PROCEDURE DEALING WITH

03:35 - 02.639 INTERVENTION YOU NEED TO HAVE A

03:35 - 04.090 LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE INTEREST

03:35 - 05.419 SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE

03:35 - 06.410 TRYING TO VINDICATE YOU

03:35 - 09.139 CAN'T BE. YOU KNOW I WOULD YOU

03:35 - 10.379 SAY IT WAS STRANGE LEGAL

03:35 - 11.360 STRANGER TO

03:35 - 14.049 THE CASE. AND IN LOCAL PARENT

03:35 - 16.429 IS IS A WAY TO NOT BE A LEGAL

03:35 - 17.679 STRANGER TO THE CASE SUCH THAT

03:35 - 18.680 YOU CAN FILTER.

03:35 - 20.909 BUT THERE COULD BE OTHER WAYS

03:35 - 22.609 TO NOT BE LEGAL STRANGER AS

03:35 - 24.230 WELL, MAYBE ONE OF THEM.

03:35 - 26.540 YOU ALSO HAVE A PENDING

03:35 - 29.060 PETITION FOR ADOPTION. CORRECT.

03:35 - 32.349 IT BECOMES CIRCULAR AT SOME

03:35 - 34.619 POINT BECAUSE IT UNDER SUCH A

03:35 - 36.480 RATIONALE ANY LEGAL STRANGER

03:35 - 38.479 COULD THEN GET STANDING BY

03:35 - 41.089 VIRTUE OF SIMPLY. THROWING IN A

03:35 - 42.530 PETITION OVER THE TRANSOM

03:35 - 45.369 SO ULTIMATELY THE COURT'S GOING

03:35 - 46.749 TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT STAND IN

03:35 - 47.989 THE TERMINATION WHETHER THE

03:35 - 50.590 PERSON IS IN LOCAL APPRENTICE

03:35 - 52.049 AND SO THEY AGAIN I COME BACK

03:35 - 53.569 TO THAT THE LEGAL ISSUE IT

03:35 - 54.570 SEEMS TO ME

03:35 - 56.589 IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS TRIAL.

03:35 - 58.439 JUDGE WAS CORRECT TO SAY YOU

03:35 - 58.590 HAVE

03:35 - 00.229 TO HAVE CURRENT IN LOCAL

03:36 - 01.859 PRENTICE STATUS, SOMETHING THAT

03:36 - 03.419 SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN THEY'RE

03:36 - 04.380 BEEN TO WIN THERE'S BEEN A

03:36 - 07.200 DEPENDENCY AND TV OURS CORRECT.

03:36 - 13.670 ANYTHING YOU WANT

03:36 - 16.170 TO ADD IN INCOME KNOW YOU'RE

03:36 - 19.059 I APPRECIATE I THINK YOU

03:36 - 22.199 AGREE WITH ALL OF MAY I

03:36 - 25.049 ASK CHARLES SR, IT'S JUST YOUR

03:36 - 26.369 FIRST TIME ARGUING BEFORE THE

03:36 - 28.529 COURT IT IS WE DID A VERY NICE

03:36 - 30.290 JOB LAST TIME

03:36 - 34.449 THANK YOU YOU'RE HONESTLY WHERE

03:36 - 37.699 WE WEREN'T SO BAD NOT AT THANK

03:36 - 40.960 YOU. KIM ALREADY HIT.

03:36 - 51.349 GOOD AFTERNOON MAY PLEASE

03:36 - 53.259 THE COURT KATHLEEN KIM COUNSEL

03:36 - 54.619 FOR THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA

03:36 - 56.480 DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES.

03:36 - 58.409 I WILL BE SHARING MY TIME WITH

03:36 - 59.629 THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM

03:36 - 01.999 JUDY SPRINGER FOR THIS ARGUMENT

03:37 - 04.029 I WILL BE ADDRESSING A STANDING

03:37 - 05.949 AND LOCAL PRENTICE ISSUES WHILE

03:37 - 06.110 MY

03:37 - 08.329 COLLEAGUE BULL FOCUS ON ISSUES

03:37 - 09.719 RELATED TO THE BEST INTERESTS

03:37 - 10.720 OF THE CHILD.

03:37 - 14.559 I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF WITH

03:37 - 16.300 THE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE LAW

03:37 - 18.529 THAT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF THE

03:37 - 20.120 QUESTIONS THAT MIS CHARLES SR

03:37 - 22.579 RECEIVED I DID WANT TO POINT

03:37 - 24.549 OUT THAT WHILE THE ADOPTION ACT

03:37 - 25.839 WHICH GOVERNS ADOPTION

03:37 - 28.280 PROCEEDINGS. SECTION

03:37 - 31.239 2312 STATES ANY INDIVIDUAL MAY

03:37 - 32.649 BECOME AN ADOPTIVE PARENT AS

03:37 - 33.990 JUSTICE WECHT POINTED OUT.

03:37 - 36.760 WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER

03:37 - 39.689 THAT ARE. BUT I'D LIKE TO

03:37 - 44.320 POINT TO FOR AND

03:37 - 47.709 2531 C. ARE SECTIONS THAT

03:37 - 48.890 THE LEGISLATURE.

03:37 - 51.929 IMPLEMENTED STATING THAT THE

03:37 - 54.049 CURRENT CAREGIVER OR CERTAIN

03:37 - 55.149 FAMILY MEMBERS SUCH AS A

03:37 - 56.879 GRANDPARENT AUNT UNCLE STEP

03:37 - 58.740 PARENT CAN FILE TO ADOPT.

03:37 - 01.419 THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN

03:38 - 02.420 WE HAVE

03:38 - 04.409 A DEPENDENT CHILD LIKE WE DO IN

03:38 - 06.520 THIS CASE. YOU

03:38 - 07.910 BOTH

03:38 - 10.899 UNDER 2711 A ONE THE ADOPTEE

03:38 - 12.469 MUST CONSENT IF THEY ARE 12 OR

03:38 - 13.860 OVER AND UNDER

03:38 - 19.029 THE GUARDIAN OR WHOEVER HAS

03:38 - 20.179 CUSTODY WHICH IN THIS CASE WITH

03:38 - 22.279 THE DHS MUST ALSO CONSENT TO

03:38 - 24.059 THE ADOPTION. NOWHERE IN THE

03:38 - 24.890 SENATE HAVE TO DO WITH

03:38 - 25.890 STANDING.

03:38 - 28.310 I BELIEVE IT COMES

03:38 - 30.999 IN COMMON LAW SO WHEN JUSTICE

03:38 - 32.359 DON HE WAS ASKING HUERTAS IN

03:38 - 34.170 LOCAL PRENTICE COME IN WE

03:38 - 36.349 SPIRIT COURT CASE LAW THAT

03:38 - 38.779 STATES YOU EITHER NEED TO HAVE

03:38 - 40.909 CONSENT OR SOME

03:38 - 42.419 SORT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

03:38 - 43.489 CHILD AND THAT'S WHERE IN LOCAL

03:38 - 45.199 PRENTICE CAME IN A SHOW THAT

03:38 - 46.050 YOU CURRENTLY STAND IN

03:38 - 47.929 LOCAL PRENTICE THE COUNCIL CAN

03:38 - 49.519 I FOLLOW UP ON THAT YES I'M

03:38 - 51.249 GOING TO BE SUPERIOR COURT SAD

03:38 - 52.030 BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SAID

03:38 - 53.689 ANYTHING BUT HOW ABOUT IF THE

03:38 - 55.089 SUPERIOR COURT WHEN HE SAID YOU

03:38 - 56.649 KNOW WHAT YOU NEED YOU NEED

03:38 - 57.650 A BOND.

03:38 - 59.419 YOU KNOW THE KIND OF BOND

03:38 - 01.049 THAT WE LOOK FOR IN TERMINATION

03:39 - 02.720 OF PARENTAL RIGHTS CASES.

03:39 - 05.539 I MEAN IF IF YOU'RE GETTING

03:39 - 07.229 MAKE SOMETHING UP THAT'S NOT IN

03:39 - 08.620 THE STATUTE WOULDN'T BACK

03:39 - 12.859 ANOTHER WAY OF ICE TAB LISTING

03:39 - 13.580 ON THIS

03:39 - 17.470 PREDICATE TO BEING ABLE TO GOT

03:39 - 19.760 I'M JUST PROBING FOR THIS IDEA

03:39 - 22.799 I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

03:39 - 24.059 THIS IN LOCO PRENTICE

03:39 - 26.379 REQUIREMENT AS THOUGH BLACK

03:39 - 28.390 LETTER LAW IT'S NOT

03:39 - 31.069 AND AND YOU KNOW

03:39 - 33.319 IT IS EMBEDDED IN THIS CASE AND

03:39 - 34.629 THAT YOU KNOW MAYBE WE HAVE TO

03:39 - 35.520 TALK ABOUT IT THAT

03:39 - 37.629 WAY BUT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT

03:39 - 40.010 THAT IS NOT IN THE STATUTE,

03:39 - 41.180 CORRECT.

03:39 - 43.869 YES, I IT IT'S IN

03:39 - 46.539 COMMON LAW. THE IN LOCAL WELL

03:39 - 47.850 IN THE STATUTE, THE STATUTE

03:39 - 49.210 DELINEATES ON.

03:39 - 52.959 THE BOOK WAS RIGHT IN THE

03:39 - 54.599 CUSTODY STATUE BUT NOT THE

03:39 - 55.600 ADOPTION.

03:39 - 58.909 IT IT AND YOU MAY YOU

03:39 - 01.119 MAY OPEN MY EYES AND THE WAY

03:40 - 02.869 HERE ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE

03:40 - 04.719 DON'T LOOK AT THE OPENING

03:40 - 06.639 SECTION OF THE ADOPTION AT TO

03:40 - 08.049 LOOK FOR IS STANDING

03:40 - 09.309 REQUIREMENT. WE

03:40 - 12.279 LOOK TO SUBSEQUENT INFECTIONS

03:40 - 13.329 WHICH ACTUALLY

03:40 - 16.359 SET FORTH. WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE

03:40 - 18.109 TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BECOME MANY

03:40 - 20.059 GOT THE PARENT, CORRECT YOUR

03:40 - 21.570 HONOR SO THE SO.

03:40 - 24.069 YOU WOULD NOT TO GRIEVE AND

03:40 - 25.909 THAT ANYONE HAS STANDING TO

03:40 - 27.340 FILE AN ADOPTION PETITION.

03:40 - 33.390 GOING

03:40 - 34.719 FURTHER INTO THAT I THINK YOU

03:40 - 36.799 ARE REFERRING TO THE AUTOMATIC

03:40 - 39.669 STANDING PROVISIONS THE STATUTE

03:40 - 41.579 THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO WITH

03:40 - 44.179 GRANDPARENTS AND SO BLESSED

03:40 - 46.289 SIBLINGS STEP, YES, THOSE WERE

03:40 - 48.139 THE ONLY WAY TO ANSWER MY

03:40 - 50.159 QUESTION WHEN WOULD YOU THEN

03:40 - 52.019 GET TO AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT

03:40 - 54.759 THAT NOT EVERYONE HAS STANDING

03:40 - 56.709 TO FILE AN ADOPTION PETITION

03:40 - 57.870 UNDER THE STATUTE.

03:41 - 04.139 I I BELIEVE I WOULD DISAGREE

03:41 - 06.669 WITH THAT THAT THE THE

03:41 - 08.659 POINT IS DID THE STATUES THAT

03:41 - 10.049 ANY PERSON MAY BE COMING TO

03:41 - 11.509 ADOPTING PARENT, THE COURT

03:41 - 11.990 STILL HAS

03:41 - 14.539 THE OBLIGATION. DETERMINED

03:41 - 16.639 STANDING WHEN IT'S NOT OBVIOUS

03:41 - 19.650 OKAY. SO THE THE THE.

03:41 - 22.429 A REFERENCE TO PARENT THAT YOU

03:41 - 24.459 MADE A MOMENT AGO. IS THE

03:41 - 25.900 UNQUESTIONED BANKING BECAUSE IT

03:41 - 28.519 COMES PALIN'S POSITION, I'M A

03:41 - 30.619 PARENT. SO COURT YOU

03:41 - 32.519 MUST DETERMINE WHETHER I'M A

03:41 - 34.379 PARENT BY VIRTUE OF BEING IN

03:41 - 36.089 LOCAL PRESS MEANS IN THE

03:41 - 37.879 POSITION OF BEING A PARENT AND

03:41 - 39.989 THEN THE LEGAL QUESTION IS YOU

03:41 - 42.380 KNOW WEATHER THAT IS

03:41 - 45.110 THAT IS FORECLOSED TO PEOPLE

03:41 - 47.140 WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY LEGALLY.

03:41 - 48.040 WE WERE NOT

03:41 - 50.349 CURRENTLY IN LOCAL PREMISE

03:41 - 52.489 BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS FOR

03:41 - 54.000 THE JUDGE TO DETERMINE.

03:41 - 58.319 RIGHT WELL IN THIS CASE

03:41 - 01.739 I BELIEVE IF IN THIS CASE TV

03:42 - 03.790 HAD FILED A MOTION TO INTERVENE

03:42 - 06.239 STATING THAT THEY HAD THAT HE

03:42 - 07.240 HAD STANDING

03:42 - 09.639 IN LOCAL PRENTISS AND WHAT

03:42 - 10.640 THE TRIAL COURT

03:42 - 13.779 DID WHICH TRIAL COURT DID WAS

03:42 - 14.879 LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE

03:42 - 16.329 CIRCUMSTANCES TO DETERMINE

03:42 - 17.330 WHETHER TV.

03:42 - 19.029 ACTUALLY STOOD AND LOCAL

03:42 - 20.379 PRENTICE IN THIS CASE, THE

03:42 - 22.159 TRIAL COURT FOUND THAT HE DID

03:42 - 23.749 NOT AND THEREFORE HE DID NOT

03:42 - 26.089 HAVE STANDING AND IN

03:42 - 28.619 DETERMINING WHETHER HE STOOD IN

03:42 - 29.950 LOCAL PRACTICE HE HAD TO LOOK

03:42 - 31.669 NOT ONLY AT THE POST SEPARATION

03:42 - 33.279 CONTACT WHICH WAS MENTIONED

03:42 - 35.089 EARLIER BUT ALSO AT THE PRE

03:42 - 37.229 SEPARATION CONTACT WHICH IS

03:42 - 38.230 WHAT TV.

03:42 - 40.169 I BELIEVE THE TRIAL COURT DID

03:42 - 42.149 NOT CONSIDER THE FIRST 5 YEARS

03:42 - 43.809 BUT. THE RECORD

03:42 - 45.389 REFLECTS THAT THE TRIAL COURT

03:42 - 46.909 HEARD ALL THAT INFORMATION

03:42 - 49.950 CONSIDERED AT ALL. BUT.

03:42 - 53.659 6 YEARS HAD PASSED AND THIS

03:42 - 54.810 CHILD HAD NO.

03:42 - 57.790 THAT TV

03:42 - 00.319 HAD NOT TAKEN ON PARENTAL

03:43 - 02.179 STATUS OR DISCHARGE PRINT OUT

03:43 - 04.179 PUZZLES LET'S PROBE THAT WELL

03:43 - 05.369 THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE FOR

03:43 - 06.800 YOU WOULD YOU

03:43 - 08.899 I AGREE THAT MORE THAN ONE

03:43 - 10.789 PERSON CAN CARRY AND IN LOCAL

03:43 - 12.040 PREVENT A STATUS.

03:43 - 13.860 IN AN ADOPTION PROCEEDING.

03:43 - 21.120 THE POSSIBLE YES.

03:43 - 24.089 AND THEN AGENCY CASE FOR WHICH

03:43 - 25.150 IS YOUR GROUND.

03:43 - 30.040 IS THE PARENT STANDING IN LOCAL

03:43 - 32.609 IF NOT THE GUARDIAN PURSUANT TO

03:43 - 32.990 DEPEND A

03:43 - 35.049 COURT ORDER. YES, STAND AND

03:43 - 37.359 LOOK NOW YOUR POSITION IS THAT

03:43 - 38.890 YOU ARE AGAINST.

03:43 - 44.389 FROM HAVING THE LEGAL LEGALLY

03:43 - 46.029 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST TO

03:43 - 47.030 INTERVENE

03:43 - 50.129 BASED UPON HIS ALLEGED

03:43 - 52.949 ABANDONMENT OF HIS I LP STATUS.

03:43 - 55.470 YES, YET IN THAT.

03:43 - 58.770 PIERRE THE BASES ARE PART OF

03:43 - 01.419 THAT IN STRANGE MUNDT WAS AT

03:44 - 03.800 THE BEHEST OF YOUR CLIENT

03:44 - 05.629 WAS IT NOT BY GETTING A

03:44 - 08.270 PROTECTIVE ORDER. AND FAILING

03:44 - 10.340 TO NOTIFY THIS PERSON

03:44 - 12.709 AS TO ANY OF THE PROCEEDINGS

03:44 - 12.960 THAT WERE

03:44 - 14.949 GOING ON AS A RESULT THAT

03:44 - 16.149 DEPENDENCY PROCEEDING AS A

03:44 - 18.889 RESULT OF THE NOT BEING PART

03:44 - 19.890 AND PARCEL.

03:44 - 22.359 WELL WE'RE JUST THAT YOU GUYS

03:44 - 23.999 HAVE APART DID YOUR CLIENT GET

03:44 - 26.800 TO STAY AWAY FROM T B WITH THE

03:44 - 30.850 I BELIEVE TO ANSWER THAT

03:44 - 32.609 QUESTION I WOULD HAVE TO GO OFF

03:44 - 32.840 OFF

03:44 - 33.840 THE RECORD.

03:44 - 35.619 THAT'S BEEN IT WOULD HAVE TO

03:44 - 36.420 UP THE RECORD IT'S IN THE

03:44 - 37.420 BREEZE.

03:44 - 39.999 IT'S IN THE BREEZE, BUT THERE

03:44 - 42.639 IS A STAY AWAY. STAY AWAY AT

03:44 - 44.569 THE REQUEST OF THE UNFOUNDED

03:44 - 47.539 ALLEGATION OF ABUSE AGAINST TB

03:44 - 48.540 AND HIS MOTHER.

03:44 - 51.819 AND THEN IT'S FURTHER INDICATE

03:44 - 53.250 IT WITH THAT.

03:44 - 55.909 HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE

03:44 - 57.149 PROCEEDINGS BECAUSE HE'S NOT A

03:44 - 59.139 NAMED PARTY. AND YOU GUYS ARE

03:44 - 00.450 NOT RECOGNIZING HIM

03:45 - 02.519 WE'RE INFORMING HIM BECAUSE OF

03:45 - 03.899 A STAY AWAY, BUT YOU WANT TO

03:45 - 05.300 USE THAT INFORMATION

03:45 - 07.849 AS JUSTIFICATION, FORGIVING

03:45 - 10.349 HIM, A LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE

03:45 - 13.029 INTEREST TO AT LEAST INTERVENE

03:45 - 15.330 AND HAVE A SAINT BECAUSE

03:45 - 18.449 FUNDAMENTALLY. YOU

03:45 - 21.390 MUST AGREE THAT ALL EVIDENCE.

03:45 - 23.600 PERCENT OUR JURISPRUDENCE

03:45 - 26.189 IS REQUIRED FOR A INDIVIDUAL

03:45 - 28.239 JUDGE TO MAKE THE BEST INTEREST

03:45 - 29.770 ANALYSIS AND DETERMINATION.

03:45 - 32.009 YES, YES, AND WOULD YOU

03:45 - 33.829 NOT AGREE THAT HEARING FROM

03:45 - 36.109 AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S SPENT 5

03:45 - 37.860 YEARS RAISING THE CHILD'S LIFE.

03:45 - 41.469 AND IT'S STILL. DISTORTED HAS

03:45 - 43.299 TO CONTINUE CONTACT IS

03:45 - 45.419 INFORMATION THE COURT SHOULD

03:45 - 46.420 HAVE.

03:45 - 48.479 WHERE YOU DISAGREE THE COURT

03:45 - 50.259 SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH ALL

03:45 - 51.739 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SHOWN

03:45 - 53.709 AFFECTION OR LIKE YOU WHO HAVE

03:45 - 55.579 ASSUME PARENTAL DUTIES AND THIS

03:45 - 57.529 CHARGE THEM. YES, I

03:45 - 59.389 BELIEVE THAT THE COURT SHOULD

03:45 - 00.639 HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN

03:46 - 02.229 THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOWEVER,

03:46 - 03.230 T B.

03:46 - 06.109 WITHIN YOUR DENIAL THAT HE

03:46 - 07.779 IS SOON AND THIS CHARGE

03:46 - 09.289 PARENTAL DUTIES FROM THE EARLY

03:46 - 09.710 PART OF THIS

03:46 - 10.710 CHILD'S LIFE.

03:46 - 12.159 IT WOULD BE OUR POSITION THAT

03:46 - 13.449 HE HE NEVER STOOD IN LOCAL

03:46 - 14.450 PRENTICE.

03:46 - 17.769 I'M CONFUSED AND

03:46 - 19.629 I THOUGHT FROM BIRTH UNTIL

03:46 - 19.930 ABOUT

03:46 - 23.409 AGE 5. THE CHILD LIVED WITH HIM

03:46 - 25.579 AND THE BIRTH MOTHER AND MAYBE

03:46 - 27.590 OTHERS KNOW I'M FROM

03:46 - 30.799 SO WHEN THE CHILD WAS SHE

03:46 - 31.800 IMMEDIATELY WENT

03:46 - 35.889 TV'S MOTHER. I

03:46 - 37.989 THINK HEARTS TO THE FACT YES

03:46 - 39.119 THAT'S RIGHT. THE FIRST THEY

03:46 - 40.929 WERE ARE SURROUNDED THE CORRECT

03:46 - 42.489 THAT HE GETS OUT AND MOVES HIM

03:46 - 44.249 AND MOM AND RAISES MOVES IN

03:46 - 45.810 WITH HIS MOTHER AND THE CHILD.

03:46 - 48.159 HIS MOTHER IS GOING 4 DAYS

03:46 - 49.530 LATER 4 DAYS LATER.

03:46 - 55.289 THE WAS WE ARE GUARDING

03:46 - 56.290 SHIPPED.

03:46 - 59.989 ACTIVITIES HE LIVED IN THE

03:46 - 01.179 HOME, HE TOOK THE CHILD TO HIM

03:47 - 01.880 FROM SCHOOL

03:47 - 03.129 WENT TO KINDERGARTEN GET

03:47 - 06.539 EVERYTHING CORRECT YES SO WHAT

03:47 - 07.260 YOU'RE POSSESSED THE

03:47 - 08.480 CITY'S POSITION.

03:47 - 10.509 IS WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL GETS

03:47 - 11.829 INVOLVED IN A CHILD'S LIFE AND

03:47 - 12.910 LIVES WITH THAT FAMILY.

03:47 - 15.139 AND TAKES THAT CHILD AS SOON AS

03:47 - 17.179 THE DUTIES OF APPARENT BY DOING

03:47 - 18.659 PARENT THINK THINGS AND

03:47 - 19.699 DISCHARGES

03:47 - 21.739 THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT IT

03:47 - 23.289 YOUR POSITION THAT THEY DON'T

03:47 - 24.400 STAND AND I'LL PICK.

03:47 - 26.099 IT'S OUR POSITION THAT THAT'S

03:47 - 27.619 PART OF THE INQUIRY, BUT THERE

03:47 - 28.709 ARE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO

03:47 - 30.640 BE CONSIDERED SUCH AS SUCH AT

03:47 - 32.509 WITHIN LOCAL PRENTICE WE'RE

03:47 - 33.809 LOOKING AT 2 MAIN QUESTIONS,

03:47 - 34.740 THE ASSUMPTION OF PARENTAL

03:47 - 36.379 STATUS AS WELL AS THE DISCHARGE

03:47 - 37.380 OF PARENTAL DUTIES.

03:47 - 39.179 SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE

03:47 - 40.180 FIRST PART THE ASSUMPTION OF

03:47 - 41.959 PARENTAL STATUS, WE'RE LOOKING

03:47 - 44.019 AT WHAT THE BIOLOGICAL PARENT

03:47 - 46.099 WAS IN WAS A BIOLOGICAL PARENT

03:47 - 47.409 TENDING SHARE THAT PARENTAL

03:47 - 49.629 STATUS AND HERE EVEN BY TV'S

03:47 - 51.449 OWN TESTIMONY. HE AND THE

03:47 - 52.709 BIOLOGICAL MOTHER WERE NOT IN A

03:47 - 54.449 RELATIONSHIP. THEY DID NOT LIVE

03:47 - 56.799 TOGETHER. SHE WAS IN JAIL, YES,

03:47 - 58.639 SHE WAS IN JAIL AND BE CANDID

03:47 - 00.349 WITH THE COURT SHE'S IN JAIL.

03:48 - 02.219 SHE CAN'T LIVE WITH I'M SURE WE

03:48 - 03.749 CAN SAY THAT SHE WASN'T GOING

03:48 - 04.750 TO LIVE WITH HIM.

03:48 - 05.910 IF SHE WERE NOT IN JAIL.

03:48 - 08.329 BUT SHE ALLOWED HIS MOTHER TO

03:48 - 09.719 HAVE THE GUARDIAN AND

03:48 - 11.759 SHE KNEW THAT HER PARENTS WERE

03:48 - 13.209 BOYFRIEND GIRLFRIEND, WHATEVER

03:48 - 14.749 YOU WANT TO CALL IT FROM ITS

03:48 - 16.739 TRANSITION. HER TRANSITION INTO

03:48 - 19.440 THE BIG THAT IS A RELATIONSHIP

03:48 - 21.689 AND T BE HE ASSUMED THE

03:48 - 23.980 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES FOR 5

03:48 - 27.340 REALLY THINK I SHARE WITH US.

03:48 - 31.429 HOW WE DON'T AS SOON. THAT

03:48 - 33.079 HAS ESTABLISHED AND

03:48 - 35.559 THE SUMPTION AND A DISCHARGE OF

03:48 - 37.160 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES,

03:48 - 39.059 SUCH UNDER THE

03:48 - 41.609 INTERVENTION STATUTE THAT IS A

03:48 - 43.640 LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE INTEREST

03:48 - 45.919 JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO

03:48 - 47.040 PUT MY MIND AT EASE.

03:48 - 48.829 YES, JUSTICE DAUGHERTY I

03:48 - 51.749 BELIEVE JUDGE COULD FIND THAT

03:48 - 51.970 THAT

03:48 - 54.039 WOULD BE AN ASSUMPTION OF

03:48 - 55.219 PARENTAL STATUS AND A DISCHARGE

03:48 - 56.439 OF PARENTAL DUTIES, BUT IN THIS

03:48 - 57.639 CASE, THE TRIAL COURT FOUND

03:48 - 59.799 THAT IT WASN'T. I ALSO WANT TO

03:48 - 00.800 POINT TO THE FACT THAT

03:49 - 04.329 EVEN TV WAS NOT PRESENT AT

03:49 - 05.929 THE BIRTH. HE WAS ALSO NOT

03:49 - 07.339 LISTED ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE

03:49 - 08.260 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER

03:49 - 09.909 INDICATION WE KNOW ABOUT THAT

03:49 - 12.129 AND AGAIN YOUR RESPONSE THE

03:49 - 16.299 JUSTICE DAUGHERTY. FAILS

03:49 - 17.300 TO MENTION.

03:49 - 19.180 THE THE APPARENT

03:49 - 21.179 LEGAL MISAPPREHENSION BY THE

03:49 - 23.079 TRIAL JUDGE WHICH I THINK IS IS

03:49 - 24.539 WHY THE CASE IS JERMAINE AND

03:49 - 27.559 OUR LEVEL WHICH IS THAT HE WAS

03:49 - 28.310 LABORING UNDER THE

03:49 - 31.139 MISAPPREHENSION THAT CURRENT I

03:49 - 33.549 LP STATUS WAS REQUIRED

03:49 - 35.149 TO SEE BECAUSE FROM THAT ALL

03:49 - 36.620 OTHER ERRORS FLOW.

03:49 - 38.869 SO WHY SHOULDN'T THIS CASE NEED

03:49 - 41.189 TO GO BACK IN ORDER FOR THIS

03:49 - 42.929 TRIAL COURT TO MAKE

03:49 - 44.989 A DETERMINATION TO HEAR ALL THE

03:49 - 46.019 EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING

03:49 - 47.879 ABOUT NOW BUT WITHOUT THE LEGAL

03:49 - 49.829 MISAPPREHENSION THAT THAT

03:49 - 51.460 PARTICULAR WINDOW IN TIME.

03:49 - 53.329 HE HAD TO BE STANDING IN LOCAL

03:49 - 55.669 PRINTERS WHICH WAS A LEGAL IN

03:49 - 57.659 POSSIBILITY. SINCE THERE HAVE

03:49 - 59.780 BEEN A DEPENDENCY INTO TP OURS.

03:50 - 00.850 AND THE

03:50 - 03.210 AGENCY WAS IN THE CAPTAINCY.

03:50 - 07.639 WHY BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF IN

03:50 - 09.309 LOCAL PRENTICE IS TO RECOGNIZE

03:50 - 10.559 WHETHER THAT PARENT CHILD

03:50 - 12.020 RELATIONSHIP EXISTS.

03:50 - 14.919 AND IN THIS CASE TV HAD THE

03:50 - 16.259 BURDEN TO SHOW THAT HE HAD

03:50 - 17.260 THAT.

03:50 - 19.649 HAD THAT RELATIONSHIP AND JUST

03:50 - 22.230 GIVE ME ASK A TYPO.

03:50 - 25.209 I'M SURE IF IT IS FOR THAT THAT

03:50 - 28.050 THAT MIGHT HELP ASSUME

03:50 - 30.299 HYPOTHETICALLY THAT FOR THE

03:50 - 31.850 FIRST 5 YEARS.

03:50 - 35.400 PETE WHICH IS THEN

03:50 - 39.139 TV TV TV THANK YOU T B WAS IT A

03:50 - 41.539 LOCAL PRINT THIS. WHICH IS

03:50 - 42.999 WHERE I THINK PEOPLE ARE

03:50 - 44.949 LEAVING HERE. AND FOR THE NEXT

03:50 - 47.499 6 YEARS HAD NO RELATIONSHIP

03:50 - 48.770 WHATSOEVER WITH THE CHILD.

03:50 - 51.059 AND 68 AT THE

03:50 - 53.229 CONCLUSION THAT 6 YEARS HE BE

03:50 - 55.009 SEEKS IN LOCAL PRINT THE

03:50 - 57.539 STATUS. DOES HE

03:50 - 00.669 HAVE IT BY VIRTUE OF BEING IN

03:51 - 02.109 LOCAL PRINTERS FOR THOSE FIRST

03:51 - 04.849 5 YEARS WAS HE LOSE IT OVER THE

03:51 - 06.469 NEXT 6 YEARS OUR POSITION WOULD

03:51 - 08.600 BE THAT HE LOST AND HE LOST IT

03:51 - 10.730 BY HIS ACTIONS AND INACTION

03:51 - 12.279 HE'S TRYING TO GET THE RIGHTS

03:51 - 13.290 OF A PARENT WITHOUT

03:51 - 15.119 DOING ANY OF THE FRONTAL

03:51 - 16.699 OBLIGATIONS AND DUTIES FOR

03:51 - 18.419 EXAMPLE WITH A DEPENDENT CHILD

03:51 - 19.100 IN CARE.

03:51 - 21.709 WHO'S BEEN IN CARE FOR NOW 7

03:51 - 23.189 YEARS AT THIS POINT BUT HE

03:51 - 26.419 DID NOT. INTERVENE UNTIL 5

03:51 - 27.529 YEARS SHE HAD BEEN IN CARE FOR

03:51 - 29.949 5 YEARS. BUT ONE OF THE PRINT

03:51 - 31.189 UL DUTIES THAT YOU HAVE FOR A

03:51 - 32.359 DEPENDENT CHILD IN CARE IS TO

03:51 - 34.189 TRY AND GET THAT CHILD BACK

03:51 - 35.319 INTO YOUR CARE SO SHE DOESN'T

03:51 - 36.439 HAVE TO SIT IN PASCO

03:51 - 39.699 IT SO A LOCAL PRINT IT NEED NOT

03:51 - 42.479 BE CONTINUOUS. BUT AT THE

03:51 - 44.459 MOMENT THAT SOMEONE SEEKS TO

03:51 - 44.950 INTERVENE IN

03:51 - 45.950 THE ADOPTION.

03:51 - 47.479 THEY HAVE TO BE IN LOCAL

03:51 - 49.049 PRENTISS DEPENDING REGARDLESS

03:51 - 50.400 OF WHAT FACTS MAKES THE.

03:51 - 52.519 IN LOCAL PREMISE IS THAT

03:51 - 53.709 CORRECT THAT WOULD BE OUR

03:51 - 54.809 POSITION YES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE

03:51 - 56.029 SOME SORT OF HOW COULD THAT

03:51 - 57.520 POSSIBLY BE THE CASE.

03:51 - 59.299 IN AN AGENCY CASE AND PROTECT

03:51 - 01.739 IT RIGHT. THIS EVERYBODY WAS

03:52 - 03.489 DISPLACED BY THE AGENCY BY THE

03:52 - 05.479 COURTS ARE EQUITIES RIGHT SO

03:52 - 06.509 IT'S IT'S IT'S A LEGAL

03:52 - 08.269 IN POSSIBILITY. IT'S ALSO

03:52 - 09.689 INCONSISTENT WITH OUR DECISION

03:52 - 11.399 IN TV WHERE SAME

03:52 - 13.729 SEX PARTNER HAD STANDING

03:52 - 16.020 DESPITE NOT HAVING BEEN I O P.

03:52 - 19.980 I BELIEVE IN

03:52 - 20.500 THE U.S..

03:52 - 23.149 FOR THE GUARDIAN, THE

03:52 - 24.150 GUARDIAN.

03:52 - 26.999 IF IF SHE HAD CONTINUED

03:52 - 28.389 HAVING VISITS WITH THE CHILD

03:52 - 29.790 SHE COULD SHOW THAT SHE WAS

03:52 - 31.169 TRYING TO GET THE CHILD BACK

03:52 - 32.710 INTO HER CARE I BELIEVE THAT

03:52 - 34.069 THAT WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE

03:52 - 35.309 EVEN THOUGH THE AGENCY HAS

03:52 - 37.359 CUSTODY. SHE SHOWING THAT SHE

03:52 - 38.360 IS STILL.

03:52 - 41.200 EXECUTING HER

03:52 - 43.039 PARENTAL DUTIES AND SHE STILL

03:52 - 44.159 MAINTAINS THE AISLE SO YOU'RE

03:52 - 45.430 ACTUALLY YOURS SO YOU CAN

03:52 - 47.009 EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE CARS

03:52 - 48.109 AND EVEN WHEN THE CHILD IS IN

03:52 - 49.110 GUARDIANSHIP.

03:52 - 51.320 YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN I O P.

03:52 - 53.979 I'M SORRY COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR

03:52 - 55.529 QUESTION YOU'RE EVEN WHEN EVEN

03:52 - 57.449 WHEN WHEN CUSTODY HAS BEEN

03:52 - 00.339 TAKEN AWAY AND ORDERS HAVE BEEN

03:53 - 01.759 ISSUED PRESERVE PREVENTING

03:53 - 04.739 PARENTAL CONTACT. THEY'RE STILL

03:53 - 06.740 IN YOUR MIND SOME FACTUAL WAY

03:53 - 08.900 FOR A PARENT TO PRESERVE.

03:53 - 10.890 I HOPE HE STATUS.

03:53 - 13.909 YES JUST JUST BEFORE WE

03:53 - 15.019 TERMINATE PARENTAL RIGHTS OF

03:53 - 15.610 PARENTS.

03:53 - 17.259 IT IS THERE FOR IMMINENT DUTY

03:53 - 18.260 TO.

03:53 - 22.269 CONTINUE TO BE THE PARENT FOR

03:53 - 23.650 THE CHILD AND SO IN THIS CASE,

03:53 - 25.260 THE FULL U.S..

03:53 - 27.890 YOU HAVE AN AGENCY CHILD

03:53 - 31.159 WHICH MEANS DHS WAS FOUNDED TO

03:53 - 31.300 BE

03:53 - 33.079 THE GUARDIAN. THROUGH A

03:53 - 34.859 DEPENDENCY PERCEIVING PARENTAL

03:53 - 36.609 RIGHTS ARE TERMINATED WE'VE NOW

03:53 - 38.159 ACCELERATED TO AN ADOPTION

03:53 - 39.789 PROCEEDING FOR WHICH IT'S AN

03:53 - 42.779 AGENCY ADOPTION. SHARE

03:53 - 44.470 WITH ME. IF.

03:53 - 48.790 I CONTACTED DHS.

03:53 - 50.829 WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN

03:53 - 53.129 PERMIT IT. THE INFORMATION

03:53 - 55.120 REGARDING THE CHILD.

03:53 - 58.929 HIS PLACEMENT AND THE FACT THAT

03:53 - 00.509 ADOPTION PETITION HAD BEEN

03:54 - 02.779 FILED SINCE HE IS NEITHER IN

03:54 - 04.510 YOUR MIND OR DHS IS

03:54 - 07.659 A PARTY. WE'RE A PERSON HE'S

03:54 - 09.650 ACED LEGAL STRANGER

03:54 - 11.899 WOULD YOUR OFFICE HAD GIVEN HIM

03:54 - 13.469 THAT INFORMATION THAT IT WAS

03:54 - 14.520 GOING TO BE HELD

03:54 - 16.519 AT 15 OH ONE ARCH STREET IN

03:54 - 18.309 FRONT OF JUDGE ACTS AT 3

03:54 - 20.569 O'CLOCK ON A THURSDAY. THE

03:54 - 23.369 ANSWER IS NO WHISK HIM EVERYONE

03:54 - 24.680 WE'RE HYPED UP FOR YOU, YES.

03:54 - 28.679 CHAVEZ DEPENDENT WITHOUT

03:54 - 30.319 DEPENDENT BOW THE JUVENILE

03:54 - 33.619 COURT. PLACE WITH IT DOESN'T

03:54 - 35.550 MATTER WITH WITH MATERNAL AUNT.

03:54 - 39.030 CHILDS ONE YEAR OLD.

03:54 - 41.440 THE TALENT, MARY'S.

03:54 - 43.969 THE COLONEL AND ITS NEW HUSBAND

03:54 - 45.999 MOVES INTO THE HOME LIVES WITH

03:54 - 47.000 THE CHILD.

03:54 - 50.359 WHAT SEEMS TO BE

03:54 - 52.879 DE FACTO PARENTAL DUTIES FOR

03:54 - 53.330 THE NEXT

03:54 - 55.679 10 YEARS. NOT WITHSTANDING THE

03:54 - 57.359 CHILD REMAINS DEPENDENT IN

03:54 - 00.309 MY HYPO AND I IN THE AGENCY'S

03:55 - 03.050 THE LEGAL CUSTODY OF THE CHILD.

03:55 - 04.590 NOW

03:55 - 06.969 MATERNAL AUNT WANTS TO ADOPT

03:55 - 09.420 THAT SHOUT AND IN HER HUSBAND

03:55 - 11.710 IS ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT SHOT,

03:55 - 13.109 DOES HE HAVE IN LOCAL FRIENDS

03:55 - 15.329 STATUS. NOT WITHSTANDING IT'S A

03:55 - 16.980 DEPENDENT CHILD. THE AGENCY

03:55 - 18.369 I THINK HE DEFINITELY HAS AN

03:55 - 19.459 ARGUMENT FOR A LOCAL PRINT IT

03:55 - 19.860 BECAUSE

03:55 - 22.679 YES BECAUSE THE LEGALITIES OF

03:55 - 24.569 THE STATUS MATTER LESS FOR IN

03:55 - 26.219 LOCAL FOR 8 THIS IT'S THE IT'S

03:55 - 27.369 A QUESTION OF WHETHER EXACTLY

03:55 - 29.109 AS A PARENT WE SET THE WAY YOU

03:55 - 30.010 SEE IT, YES

03:55 - 31.469 YOUR HONOR A KICK IN TONIGHT

03:55 - 32.739 JUST HAS TO BE VERY

03:55 - 33.740 STRAIGHTFORWARD

03:55 - 36.549 IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT ONLY

03:55 - 38.259 PERSONS IN LOCAL PRENTICE MAY

03:55 - 41.009 ADOPT. NO NO

03:55 - 41.390 YOUR HONOR

03:55 - 43.459 IS IT YOUR PERSON AND ONLY PER

03:55 - 44.749 IS YOUR POSITION THAT ONLY

03:55 - 46.429 PERSONS IN LOCAL PARENTAL US

03:55 - 47.889 MAY INTERVENE AND ADOPTION

03:55 - 49.299 PROCEEDING UNDER PENNSYLVANIA

03:55 - 51.160 WILL CIVIL PROCEDURE, 2327.

03:55 - 54.540 NO YOU ARE

03:55 - 56.889 SO LOCAL PRINT IN YOUR VIEW IN

03:55 - 58.429 LOCAL PRINTER STATUS IS NOT

03:55 - 59.869 REQUIRED TO INTERVENE IN AN

03:55 - 00.870 ADOPTION PROCEEDING.

03:56 - 03.159 WE KNOW IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER

03:56 - 05.039 I BELIEVE TV HAD CONCEDED THAT

03:56 - 06.109 BECAUSE DHS DID

03:56 - 07.110 NOT CONSENT.

03:56 - 08.809 IN LOCAL PRENTICE WHAT WAS

03:56 - 09.510 THE AVENUE FOR

03:56 - 10.510 THEM TO.

03:56 - 12.339 OKAY SO YOU'RE SIMPLE ANSWER

03:56 - 14.019 TO THIS CASE WOULD BE THEIR

03:56 - 16.089 ONLY PURSUE THEIR TV'S ONLY

03:56 - 17.369 PURSUING IN LOCAL PRINT OF

03:56 - 18.779 STATUS AND WE SHOULDN'T GET TO

03:56 - 20.419 THE QUESTION OF WHO ELSE MAY BE

03:56 - 20.840 PERMITTED

03:56 - 22.979 TO INTERVENE AND WHETHER TV

03:56 - 23.950 COULD HAVE INTERVENED UNDER

03:56 - 25.200 THOSE ALTERNATIVE THEORIES.

03:56 - 29.110 I'M SORRY COULD YOU REPEAT

03:56 - 30.410 THE QUESTION AND YOU'RE TRYING

03:56 - 32.319 I GUESS I'M TRYING TO STAND

03:56 - 34.809 THAT THE THE ONLY ISSUE HERE AS

03:56 - 34.940 YOU

03:56 - 36.779 SEE IT IS IN LOCAL PRINT A

03:56 - 38.189 STATUS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY

03:56 - 40.099 THE CASE WAS PRESENTED. YES,

03:56 - 40.830 YOU'RE NOT

03:56 - 43.309 YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE

03:56 - 44.839 SHOULD GO FURTHER AND LOOK

03:56 - 46.519 BEYOND WHAT OTHER CLASS OF

03:56 - 48.629 INDIVIDUALS MIGHT WE HAVE BEEN

03:56 - 48.840 ABLE

03:56 - 51.709 TO SATISFY STANDING UNDER OTHER

03:56 - 52.909 THEORIES TO INTERVENE AND

03:56 - 55.329 ADOPTION PROCEEDING. I BELIEVE

03:56 - 56.979 YES THAT'S THAT WOULD BE OUR

03:56 - 58.129 POSITION I BELIEVE THIS THIS

03:56 - 00.629 CASE IS. I'M NOT SURE

03:57 - 01.630 THE APPROPRIATE.

03:57 - 05.509 I BELIEVE IN THIS PARTICULAR

03:57 - 06.510 CASE.

03:57 - 09.490 TV WAS SEEKING TO

03:57 - 11.439 INTERVENE HAVE STANDING THROUGH

03:57 - 12.839 IN LOCAL PRENTISS AND I FEEL

03:57 - 13.840 THAT.

03:57 - 15.439 UNDER THE TOTALITY OF THE

03:57 - 18.560 CIRCUMSTANCES ANALYSIS. TV WAS

03:57 - 21.409 OUR POSITION WILL BE PROPERLY

03:57 - 22.619 FOUND UNDER CURRENT

03:57 - 24.049 JURISPRUDENCE TO NOT BE IN

03:57 - 25.489 LOCAL PRACTICE AND THEREFORE

03:57 - 26.490 DOES NOT HAVE STANDING.

03:57 - 28.949 THANK YOU VERY MUCH I STILL

03:57 - 30.080 THINK I THINK YEARS.

03:57 - 33.439 I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE BEST

03:57 - 34.819 INTERESTS ARE BEFORE US, BUT

03:57 - 35.950 YOU CAN DO SO.

03:57 - 38.029 WE'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY

03:57 - 39.030 TO TAKE POTENT.

03:57 - 46.289 MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT GOOD

03:57 - 48.109 AFTERNOON CHIEF JUSTICE

03:57 - 50.049 AND JUSTICE IS MY NAME IS JUDY

03:57 - 51.759 MCINTYRE SPRINGER I AM THE

03:57 - 54.259 VOLUNTEER CHILD ADVOCATE FOR K

03:57 - 55.709 AND L THROUGH THE SUPPORT

03:57 - 56.180 CENTER FOR

03:57 - 57.809 CHILD ADVOCATES. I WAS

03:57 - 59.529 APPOINTED AS THE CHILD ADVOCATE

03:57 - 01.649 IN MARCH 2015 WHEN THE CHILD

03:58 - 02.989 WAS REMOVED FROM THE HOME AND

03:58 - 03.380 PLACED

03:58 - 05.629 INTO CARE WITH YOUR

03:58 - 08.349 HONOR'S PERMISSION I WOULD LIKE

03:58 - 10.099 TO PERHAPS ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR

03:58 - 12.239 CONCERNS AND TALK ABOUT MORE

03:58 - 13.769 THAN BEST INTEREST. BUT IF IF

03:58 - 14.979 I'M ONLY LIMITED TO BEST

03:58 - 16.369 INTERESTS THAN I WILL, BUT I

03:58 - 18.429 WANTED TO PERHAPS TALK ABOUT

03:58 - 19.740 THE IN LOCO PARENTAL US

03:58 - 22.749 BECAUSE I BELIEVE I HAVE A

03:58 - 24.249 LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TAKE THAN

03:58 - 25.879 THE CITY DOES OKAY WE'RE

03:58 - 27.620 LOOKING AT STANDING.

03:58 - 28.720 YES, YOU WANT TO

03:58 - 30.769 ADDRESS LOCAL PARENT ASSESS IT

03:58 - 33.899 PERTAINS JUST STANDING THAT EYE

03:58 - 35.439 ON THE ONE HAND WE HAVE THE

03:58 - 37.679 RULE THAT WE PETE ARGUMENTS THE

03:58 - 39.130 OTHER HAND WE CAN BE.

03:58 - 40.779 MARK A LITTLE BIT IN A MESS

03:58 - 42.499 HERE SO IF YOU CAN SAFELY

03:58 - 43.650 STRAIGHTEN IT OUT GO AHEAD.

03:58 - 44.810 YES, YOUR HONOR.

03:58 - 46.879 SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS

03:58 - 48.159 STANDARD FOR SOMEONE TO

03:58 - 50.339 INTERVENE IN AN ADOPTION OR FOR

03:58 - 51.769 SOMEONE TO FILE A PETITION TO

03:58 - 52.450 ADOPT IS

03:58 - 54.229 THE SAME IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE

03:58 - 55.989 TO INTERVENE AND ACTION WE CAN

03:58 - 57.069 LOOK TO THE RULES OF CIVIL

03:58 - 59.299 PROCEDURE WHICH STATES THAT ANY

03:58 - 01.059 PERSON WHO HAS A LEGALLY

03:59 - 02.749 ENFORCEABLE INTEREST IN THE

03:59 - 04.839 CASE CAN INTERVENE

03:59 - 07.659 IN ACTION OR SOMEONE WHO COULD

03:59 - 09.239 HAVE JOINED IN THE ORIGINAL

03:59 - 10.840 ACTION AND THROUGH MY BRIEF

03:59 - 12.599 THAT IS KIND OF THE THE

03:59 - 14.929 ANALYSIS THAT I TAKE SO IN

03:59 - 17.479 THIS CASE JUST BECAUSE A PERSON

03:59 - 18.659 IS INTERESTED IN

03:59 - 20.429 A CHILD DOES NOT NECESSARILY

03:59 - 22.590 MAKE THEM AN INTERESTED PERSON

03:59 - 24.439 AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A

03:59 - 27.459 CONCERN FOR FOR LIBERALLY

03:59 - 29.499 ALLOWING PEOPLE TO INTERVENE

03:59 - 31.039 AND ADOPTION ACTIONS BECAUSE

03:59 - 32.529 CERTAINLY THE COURT IS

03:59 - 34.109 INTERESTED IN REALLY DRILLING

03:59 - 35.899 DOWN TO WHAT IS IN THE BEST

03:59 - 37.779 INTERESTS OF THE CHILD AND WHY

03:59 - 39.709 SHOULD WE LIMIT WHO COULD COME

03:59 - 40.580 IN AND TESTIFY

03:59 - 42.659 TO THAT AND THE REASON WHY WE

03:59 - 44.229 SHOULDN'T LIMITED IN THIS CASE

03:59 - 45.630 YOUR HONOR'S IS BECAUSE

03:59 - 48.349 THIS. LATE AGAIN WAS ALREADY

03:59 - 50.650 DETERMINED TO NOT BE CREDIBLE

03:59 - 52.419 BY THE TRIAL COURT JUDGE AND

03:59 - 53.439 YOUR HONOR'S CAN LOOK AT THE

03:59 - 55.510 TRANSCRIPT AND SEE ON ITS FACE

03:59 - 57.369 THAT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT

03:59 - 58.389 THIS PERSON BEING IN A

03:59 - 59.820 RELATIONSHIP WITH MOM.

04:00 - 02.559 BUT DON'T DISREGARD THE LINE IN

04:00 - 04.709 THE TRANSCRIPT THE PERSON, I'M

04:00 - 05.050 SORRY

04:00 - 08.169 TV TESTIFIED THAT TV WAS IN A

04:00 - 09.849 RELATIONSHIP AND THAT HE WAS

04:00 - 11.530 ENGAGED TO BIOLOGICAL MOM.

04:00 - 12.350 IN THE

04:00 - 15.649 VERY NEXT QUESTION ON DIRECT

04:00 - 18.290 EXAMINATION, NOT EVEN ON CROSS

04:00 - 19.650 TV TESTIFIED.

04:00 - 21.279 WELL WE WERE REALLY IN A

04:00 - 22.969 RELATIONSHIP WE HAD BEEN

04:00 - 24.540 FRIENDS SINCE WE WERE CHILDREN.

04:00 - 27.469 SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. TAKE NO

04:00 - 30.079 COURT HAS EVER FOUND TV TO

04:00 - 32.199 HAVE STANDING. THIS CHILD

04:00 - 33.779 WAS REMOVED FROM THE HOME WHERE

04:00 - 36.489 TV WAS LIVING AS AN ADULT WITH

04:00 - 37.550 HIS MOTHER.

04:00 - 40.039 JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS LIVING

04:00 - 42.359 IN A HOME DOES NOT NECESSARILY

04:00 - 43.989 MAKE THEM HAVE IN

04:00 - 47.449 LOCO PER CAR SURROGATE MOTHER

04:00 - 48.669 WAS IN CARSON MOTHER WAS

04:00 - 50.399 INCARCERATED YES SO WE SAY IT

04:00 - 51.579 LIVING AT HOME WITH A MOTHER

04:00 - 53.269 BUT I'M I'M SORRY LIVING AT

04:00 - 54.450 HOME WITH HIS MOTHER.

04:00 - 56.050 SO T B.

04:00 - 58.129 LIVED WITH HIS MOTHER SO I

04:00 - 59.919 MEAN THE VIGIL WHICH WAS SOON

04:00 - 01.199 AND DISCHARGE RIGHT OR

04:01 - 04.239 RESPONSIBILITY. FOR 5 YEARS IN

04:01 - 06.479 YOUR MIND. IT DOES

04:01 - 08.060 NOT STAND IN LOCAL PREVENT THAT

04:01 - 09.609 YOUR HONOR THAT'S A YES OR NO

04:01 - 11.180 QUESTION. NOT.

04:01 - 12.639 NOT IN THIS CASE, YOUR HONOR

04:01 - 14.579 THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THIS

04:01 - 17.110 PERSON NEVER CONDUCTED HIMSELF,

04:01 - 19.460 AS IF HE WERE IN LOCO PER ENNIS

04:01 - 21.169 AND THE REASON WHY I CAN STAND

04:01 - 23.119 HERE TODAY AND SAY THAT IS

04:01 - 23.740 BECAUSE.

04:01 - 25.150 T B.

04:01 - 28.169 NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN THE

04:01 - 30.129 COURTROOM. IN THE DEPENDENCY

04:01 - 31.759 CASE. THERE WAS A STAY AWAY

04:01 - 33.229 WOULD YOU CAN SEE TONIGHT THEY

04:01 - 34.989 STAY AWAY ORDER WAS NOT ENTERED

04:01 - 36.529 ORIGINALLY YOUR HONOR STIRS

04:01 - 38.239 STAY AWAY. THERE WAS A STATE

04:01 - 40.369 WAS KEY BE NOTICED BY THE

04:01 - 41.370 DEPARTMENT.

04:01 - 42.020 THAT THERE WASN'T A

04:01 - 43.250 DEPENDENCY PROCEEDINGS.

04:01 - 45.940 YOUR HONOR HE WAS AT COURT.

04:01 - 48.369 EVERY APPEARANCE. HE WAS IN THE

04:01 - 49.370 WAITING ROOM.

04:01 - 53.549 SO THAT DOES THAT NOT

04:01 - 54.820 CONFLICT YOUR COMMENT

04:01 - 56.669 THAT HE WAS NOT PARTICIPATING

04:01 - 57.819 BECAUSE HE WAS THERE HE WOULD

04:01 - 59.499 JUST NOT INVITED IN BY THE

04:01 - 00.480 COURT OFFICER,

04:02 - 01.200 YOUR HONOR.

04:02 - 03.199 TV WAS ORDERED TO STAY AWAY

04:02 - 05.599 FROM THE CHILD TV WAS NEVER

04:02 - 06.709 ORDERED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE

04:02 - 08.989 COURT TV WAS NEVER PROHIBITED

04:02 - 10.669 FROM INTERVENING IN THE

04:02 - 12.029 DIFFERENT WHO REQUESTED THAT

04:02 - 14.609 HAVE A WAY WITH HER. WEST OF

04:02 - 16.100 THE STAY AWAY ORDER

04:02 - 17.850 THAT WAS PART OF THE JANUARY

04:02 - 19.929 2021 HEARING AND I KNOW YOU

04:02 - 21.749 WANT TO USE YOUR REQUEST FOR A

04:02 - 24.699 STAY AWAY ORDER AS AGAINST TB

04:02 - 26.859 BY SAYING HE ABANDONED HIS

04:02 - 28.289 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY, NO

04:02 - 29.739 YOUR HONOR I DON'T HAVE TO USE

04:02 - 30.230 THAT STAY

04:02 - 31.979 AWAY ORDER TO

04:02 - 34.999 DEMONSTRATE WHY T B DOES NOT

04:02 - 36.089 HAVE STANDING AND IS NOT IN

04:02 - 37.669 LOCAL PARRANDA YOU YOU SEEM TO

04:02 - 40.769 BE DOING THAT BY ARGUING MERITS

04:02 - 43.059 ISSUES. SO IT IS

04:02 - 45.459 THE AGAIN WHATEVER ELSE THE

04:02 - 46.639 TRIAL JUDGE DID AND THERE'S A

04:02 - 48.529 LOT ELSE THE TRIAL JUDGE DID IT

04:02 - 49.440 WE DID NOT GRANT

04:02 - 50.440 REVIEW OF.

04:02 - 51.699 THAT COULD BE SEEN AS THE

04:02 - 52.849 CHIEF JUSTICE SAID AS

04:02 - 54.900 PROBLEMATIC, BUT UP.

04:02 - 57.869 ONE THING WE KNOW THE TRIAL

04:02 - 00.469 JUDGE DID WAS I'M REPEATING

04:03 - 01.739 THIS FOR THE 3RD TIME THE

04:03 - 03.080 CURRENCY POINT WHICH YOU KNOW

04:03 - 05.019 CURRENT FIRST PAST. SO

04:03 - 07.690 IF THAT'S LEGALLY ERRONEOUS.

04:03 - 09.719 WHY DOESN'T THIS HAVE TO GO

04:03 - 11.979 BACK AND THEN YOU CAN FIGHT

04:03 - 13.389 ABOUT ALL THESE MERITS ISSUES

04:03 - 15.619 AND SAY TV WAS INATTENTIVE AND

04:03 - 17.919 T BE ABANDONED WITHOUT THE

04:03 - 20.239 LEGAL ERROR OF SAYING THERE'S A

04:03 - 21.889 BARRIER TO THE THAT HE CAN'T

04:03 - 22.979 GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO

04:03 - 25.179 FIGHT ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE'S

04:03 - 26.819 NOT CURRENTLY IN

04:03 - 28.809 LOCAL PRESS. HOW IS THAT NOT

04:03 - 30.719 REVERSIBLE ERROR THAT REQUIRES

04:03 - 32.849 THIS TO BE SENT BACK FOR YOU TO

04:03 - 33.889 FIGHT ABOUT THESE MERITS

04:03 - 34.960 ISSUES, SURE

04:03 - 35.990 SO.

04:03 - 38.579 THERE ARE NO SUPREME COURT

04:03 - 40.489 CASES AS YOUR HONOR'S KNOW

04:03 - 42.429 DEALING WITH IN LOCO PER ENNIS

04:03 - 43.759 AND AN ADOPTION ACTION BUT

04:03 - 44.430 THERE IS A LINE

04:03 - 47.129 OF CASES IN RE INTERESTED IN AS

04:03 - 49.370 FOR EXAMPLE IS WHAT STATES THAT

04:03 - 49.970 IF

04:03 - 51.379 A PERSON BECAUSE IN ORDER TO

04:03 - 53.370 FILE AN ADOPTION ACTION.

04:03 - 54.570 AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S

04:03 - 56.269 RELEVANT FOR THE INTERVENTION

04:03 - 57.389 IS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO

04:03 - 58.739 INTERVENE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE

04:03 - 01.099 TO BE JOINED IN THE UNDERLYING

04:04 - 02.259 ACTION AS A

04:04 - 04.039 PARTY SO WELL THAT'S ONE OF THE

04:04 - 05.499 WAYS TO GET IN OR HAVE A

04:04 - 07.779 LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE INTEREST OR

04:04 - 09.419 WITH 4 WITH THE LEGALLY ENFORCE

04:04 - 10.679 WINTER SCORE WITH CERTAINLY

04:04 - 12.309 WITH DHS CONSENT OR WITH THE

04:04 - 13.619 CHILD'S CONSENT AND THAT THE

04:04 - 14.779 TIME OF THE HEARING THE CHILD

04:04 - 16.929 WAS UNDER 12 AND SO THERE WAS

04:04 - 18.519 NO INFORMATION ON THE RECORD

04:04 - 18.960 THAT CHILD

04:04 - 21.909 NOW IS 12 AND NOW WILL BE IN

04:04 - 21.980 THE

04:04 - 23.999 POSITION WHERE THE CHILD'S

04:04 - 25.800 CONSENT CANNOT BE DISPENSED UP.

04:04 - 27.459 BUT I HAVEN'T ANSWERED YOUR

04:04 - 29.300 QUESTIONS SO ON ONE.

04:04 - 33.209 IT COMES FROM IN RATE INTEREST

04:04 - 34.589 OF AN ASS. THAT

04:04 - 36.919 TALKS ABOUT CURRENTLY IN LOCO

04:04 - 37.570 PER N S

04:04 - 39.699 AND CERTAINLY THIS PERSON HAS

04:04 - 42.319 DONE DID NOTHING FOR OVER 4 AND

04:04 - 43.320 A HALF YEARS

04:04 - 45.869 TO PARTICIPATE IN LITIGATION OR

04:04 - 47.309 PARTICIPATE IN THIS CHILD'S

04:04 - 49.729 LIFE. THEY DID NOT INTERVENE IN

04:04 - 52.130 THE 2013 CUSTODY ACTION.

04:04 - 54.590 THEY SAY HIS MOTHER CUSTODY,

04:04 - 57.009 THE 2013 CUSTODY ACTION

04:04 - 58.010 TO BE.

04:04 - 00.829 MOTHER OF T B IS WHO WAS

04:05 - 03.340 GIVEN SOLE LEGAL CUSTODY.

04:05 - 05.529 AND SOLE PHYSICAL CUSTODY OF

04:05 - 07.019 THE CHILD. THE CHILD WAS BORN

04:05 - 08.900 IN 2010 WAS PLACED IN

04:05 - 10.569 20103 YEARS

04:05 - 12.819 LATER IT'S NOT IT BE THAT THE

04:05 - 15.189 MOM IS GIVING CUSTODY TO ENTER

04:05 - 17.290 IN WOKE UP AROUND US, WE KNOW

04:05 - 19.139 YOU CAN'T JUST WALK IN AND TAKE

04:05 - 20.509 IT THERE HAS TO BE SOME

04:05 - 22.679 DISCHARGE UPPER HIM HE'S IN

04:05 - 23.220 FAVOR OF

04:05 - 23.790 THE PERSON.

04:05 - 27.309 AND YOU DEEP INTO THE FACTS

04:05 - 29.079 WHICH IS NOT WHAT WORSE

04:05 - 31.089 ESPECIALLY DIDN'T KNOW I

04:05 - 33.169 UNDERSTAND MAKE SURE THE CASE

04:05 - 34.969 LEAD TO THE FACTS BUT WE'RE

04:05 - 36.580 MORE INTERESTED IN THE LAW.

04:05 - 38.429 SO AGAIN THE SAME HYPO THAT I

04:05 - 41.039 ASKED MISS KIM. AS SUVA AND I

04:05 - 42.839 KNOW YOU DON'T CONCEDE WITH

04:05 - 44.599 THAT. HE BE

04:05 - 45.979 WAS IN LOCO CREDITS FOR THE

04:05 - 47.639 FIRST 5 YEARS AND

04:05 - 49.339 THEN WAS THAT WAS A COMPLETE

04:05 - 50.769 STRANGER TO THE CHILD THE NEXT

04:05 - 53.929 6 YEARS WOULD HE BE IN LOCAL

04:05 - 55.249 PRENTISS AT THE TIME HE FOUND

04:05 - 56.649 HIS PETITION BY VIRTUE OF HIS

04:05 - 56.900 FIRST

04:05 - 57.940 5 YEARS STATUS.

04:05 - 00.789 NOW WE TERMINATE PARENTAL

04:06 - 02.859 RIGHTS BIOLOGICAL PARENTAL

04:06 - 05.499 RIGHTS, ONE LAST OF AN

04:06 - 06.940 ABSOLUTELY DO 6 MONTHS.

04:06 - 11.109 SO YOUR POSITION THEN IS THAT

04:06 - 13.030 YOU CAN LOSE IN LOCAL PARENT IS

04:06 - 14.330 IF YOU

04:06 - 16.329 AND AGAIN THAT NOISE THE

04:06 - 18.030 COMPLEXITIES OF THIS CASE IS

04:06 - 20.739 DAUGHERTY'S PUT OUT THE BUT

04:06 - 22.840 HYPOTHETICALLY YOU CAN LOSE IT.

04:06 - 24.289 YOU KNOW AGAIN MAYBE IT'S

04:06 - 25.329 ANALOGOUS TO AN

04:06 - 27.629 INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL THERE'S

04:06 - 29.369 AN OBLIGATION IN A TERMINATION

04:06 - 30.479 PROCEEDING THE USE ALL

04:06 - 32.180 REASONABLE EFFORTS I DON'T KNOW

04:06 - 33.579 I MEAN DOWN SO YOU CAN YOU CAN

04:06 - 35.020 GRAB A LOT OF ANALOGIES.

04:06 - 36.569 I MEAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT LAST

04:06 - 37.880 COMMENT. YES, YOUR HONOR.

04:06 - 40.390 YOU COULD LOSE PARENTAL RIGHTS.

04:06 - 41.740 YES LAST TIME.

04:06 - 45.419 THERE HAS TO BE AN INTRODUCTION

04:06 - 45.660 OF

04:06 - 48.239 OUR EVIDENCE AND A DECISION ON

04:06 - 50.520 THOSE MERITS AS TO WHETHER

04:06 - 52.550 THERE WAS A COMPLETE

04:06 - 54.669 INTERRUPTION YES THAT IS

04:06 - 56.469 CORRECT IN THIS PARTICULAR

04:06 - 59.619 CASE. YOUR PRECLUDING ANY

04:06 - 02.999 DECISION ON THE MERITS. BY YOU

04:07 - 04.000 OR CHOICE.

04:07 - 06.659 OF ABANDONMENT FOR WHICH IS NOT

04:07 - 08.559 FOUNDED IN ANY STATUTE COLDER

04:07 - 10.719 LAW IN PENNSYLVANIA IS ADOPTION

04:07 - 11.770 ACT, CORRECT.

04:07 - 16.149 OR CAN YOU SHARE WITH ME THAT

04:07 - 17.469 YOUR POSITION TO OUR CHIEF

04:07 - 20.069 JUSTICE WAS ABANDONMENT AS A

04:07 - 21.739 CESSATION TO I

04:07 - 23.699 LP STATUS WHERE DO YOU COME UP

04:07 - 25.439 WITH CAN USE DIRECT ME TO WHICH

04:07 - 27.499 SECTION CODE OR CASE LAW YOU

04:07 - 28.980 HAD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

04:07 - 31.479 SO YOUR HONOR THE CONCEPT OF

04:07 - 32.960 IN LOCO PARADIS

04:07 - 35.179 MEANS THAT A PERSON IS STANDING

04:07 - 36.789 LIKE A PARENT AND ACTING LIKE A

04:07 - 38.659 PARENT AND I STAND HERE

04:07 - 40.169 REPRESENTING THE CHILD'S BEST

04:07 - 43.189 INTEREST AND WHAT I LOOK TO IS

04:07 - 43.610 HOW

04:07 - 46.319 TV BEHAVED HOW AND I'M NOT

04:07 - 47.389 TALKING ABOUT UNDERLYING

04:07 - 48.899 MERITS. I'M TALKING ABOUT

04:07 - 50.799 PROCEDURALLY FROM A LITIGATION

04:07 - 52.809 STANDPOINT, A PERSON WHO

04:07 - 54.249 PERCEIVE THEMSELVES TO BE IN

04:07 - 55.960 LOCAL PER ANISE AND WAS ASKED

04:07 - 57.659 ACTING AND CARRYING OUT THE

04:07 - 58.770 DUTIES OF A PARENT

04:07 - 00.659 WOULD HAVE BEEN BEATING DOWN

04:08 - 02.179 THE COURTHOUSE DOOR. SO MY

04:08 - 03.779 QUESTION TO YOU WHICH I HAD NOT

04:08 - 05.539 ANSWERED. I SAY IS THERE A CASE

04:08 - 06.540 LAW.

04:08 - 08.249 IS THERE A STATUTE OR SOME

04:08 - 10.729 COLDER RULE THAT THE FINES

04:08 - 12.669 ABANDONMENT OR EVEN

04:08 - 14.999 ACKNOWLEDGES ABANDONMENT OF I

04:08 - 16.929 LP STATUS THAT YES, OR NO

04:08 - 18.409 ANSWER, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF

04:08 - 19.410 YOUR ON OKAY.

04:08 - 20.999 I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION

04:08 - 23.489 BEEN ASKED ON SEVERAL ARE YOU

04:08 - 25.169 STARTED TO DESCRIBE FOR THE

04:08 - 26.170 COURT.

04:08 - 27.759 WHY THE RECORD IN THIS CASE

04:08 - 29.309 DOES NOT SUPPORT THE AISLE.

04:08 - 31.210 HE STATUS OF TV

04:08 - 32.779 AND EACH TIME THERE WERE

04:08 - 34.189 INTERRUPTED SO I JUST WANT TO

04:08 - 35.869 HEAR THE REST OF YOUR THE

04:08 - 37.690 ANSWER TO THAT AND I THINK YOU.

04:08 - 40.700 WE LEFT OFF AT THE TIME,

04:08 - 42.759 I'M THAT YOU REQUESTED

04:08 - 44.709 THE STATE. I'M JUST I

04:08 - 45.490 APPRECIATE THE

04:08 - 47.159 FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WITH THE

04:08 - 48.919 CHILD WAS PLACED IN 2010, I

04:08 - 50.119 KNOW WE'RE NOT FOCUSING ON THE

04:08 - 52.899 FACTS. TV DID NOT FILE FOR

04:08 - 54.570 CUSTODY, 2013

04:08 - 57.219 CUSTODY ORDER WAS ENTERED NOT

04:08 - 59.399 NAMING TBA TV DIDN'T FILE TO

04:08 - 01.399 INTERVENE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO

04:09 - 02.910 PARTICIPATE IN THAT ACTION.

04:09 - 05.359 IN 2015 WHEN THE CHILD WAS

04:09 - 07.899 REMOVED. AGAIN DID NOT

04:09 - 09.300 PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTION

04:09 - 11.690 DIDN'T ASK FOR VISITATION

04:09 - 14.059 DIDN'T TESTIFY AS A WITNESS

04:09 - 16.639 DID NOTHING 2017 PARENTAL

04:09 - 18.799 RIGHTS WERE TERMINATED 2018 A

04:09 - 20.360 PETITION TO ADOPT

04:09 - 22.859 WAS FILED AND AGAIN TV DID

04:09 - 24.679 NOTHING DID NOT PARTICIPATE DID

04:09 - 26.040 NOT FILE TO INTERVENE.

04:09 - 27.420 IN IT.

04:09 - 31.369 2019 JUNE, 2019 MATERNAL ON

04:09 - 33.699 FILED A PETITION TO ADOPT FOR 6

04:09 - 35.849 MORE MONTHS TV DID NOTHING AND

04:09 - 38.630 IT WASN'T UNTIL DECEMBER 2019.

04:09 - 40.809 OVER 4 AND A HALF YEARS AFTER

04:09 - 42.919 THE CHILD WAS REMOVED THAT TV

04:09 - 45.380 CAME INTO COURT AND SAID A LOT

04:09 - 47.209 I'M IN LOGO FOR AN US WE

04:09 - 49.690 TERMINATED RIGHTS NOT ONLY OF

04:09 - 52.209 THE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER BUT ALSO

04:09 - 54.929 THE PUTATIVE FATHER AND ALSO WE

04:09 - 56.639 HAD TO APPLY

04:09 - 58.139 ABOUT THE SAME STANDARD AND WE

04:09 - 59.509 WENT UP TO THE SUPERIOR COURT

04:09 - 01.070 TWICE. 2

04:10 - 04.399 THEY KATE. TV'S MOTHER HAS THE

04:10 - 06.749 LEGAL GUARDIAN HAD T B

04:10 - 09.269 COME IN, AND ANNOUNCED HIMSELF

04:10 - 10.729 AS HAVING ANY RIGHT TO THE

04:10 - 11.250 CHILD AT

04:10 - 13.229 THAT TIME. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO

04:10 - 14.120 HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COURT

04:10 - 15.519 PROCESS TO DEAL DURING THAT

04:10 - 16.350 HISTORY AT

04:10 - 17.390 ONE POINT.

04:10 - 19.339 WAS THE STAY AWAY ORDER

04:10 - 21.519 REQUESTED BY U N GRANTED BY THE

04:10 - 23.230 JUDGE. THEY PAID.

04:10 - 26.290 HOW LONG DID IT LAST THE PFA.

04:10 - 28.789 SAY THERE WAS NO PFA

04:10 - 30.030 THERE AREN'T IS AROUND WHERE WE

04:10 - 31.679 THERE IS A STAY AWAY ORDER.

04:10 - 32.919 SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE STAY

04:10 - 34.679 AWAY ORDERS IN THE DEPENDENCY

04:10 - 37.459 ACTION. IN THE JANUARY 2021

04:10 - 39.149 HEARING I ASKED FOR A STAY AWAY

04:10 - 41.179 ORDER I TRIED TO ASK FOR THAT

04:10 - 42.309 STAY AWAY ORDER AS THE

04:10 - 45.069 TRANSCRIPT SHOWS BEFORE TV WAS

04:10 - 46.709 DISMISSED. THIS WAS NOT

04:10 - 48.909 ANYTHING THAT I WANTED TO DO OR

04:10 - 51.240 CHOSE TO DO BEHIND TV'S BACK I

04:10 - 53.090 TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS

04:10 - 54.879 BEFORE TV AND HIS COUNSEL WERE

04:10 - 56.669 DISMISSED THE RECORD'S CLEAR

04:10 - 57.889 THE JUDGE WOULD NOT PERMIT ME

04:10 - 58.000 TO

04:10 - 59.939 DO THAT THE REASON WHY ASK FOR

04:10 - 01.509 THE STAY AWAY ORDER IS BECAUSE

04:11 - 03.279 TV HAD BEEN TRYING TO EVEN

04:11 - 04.449 APPEARING AT THE SCHOOL AND THE

04:11 - 06.119 DAYCARES AND TRYING TO GET

04:11 - 08.319 ACCESS TO MY CHILD AND I TO MY

04:11 - 10.739 CLIENT AND I WAS CONCERNED AND

04:11 - 12.120 THAT'S WHY AS A QUESTION.

04:11 - 12.970 YES, YOUR HONOR.

04:11 - 14.599 ARE YOU STANDING IN CAPACITY

04:11 - 16.219 IS OUT AND

04:11 - 17.290 CHILD ADVOCATE.

04:11 - 19.019 SO FORTUNATELY ARE HONORED

04:11 - 20.999 THIS CASE I AM PERMITTED TO DO

04:11 - 22.150 THAT BECAUSE.

04:11 - 23.939 AND CASE LAW SHOWS I'M

04:11 - 25.660 PERMITTED TO DO IT THE CHILD'S

04:11 - 26.760 WISHES

04:11 - 29.119 AND THE CHILD'S BEST INTEREST

04:11 - 31.190 ARE IN ALIGNMENT IN THIS CASE

04:11 - 33.589 CERTAINLY IF THEY EVER WE'RE

04:11 - 35.449 TO DIVERGE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE

04:11 - 36.699 TO SERVE IN BOTH ROLES, BUT

04:11 - 38.260 THEY ARE IN ALIGNMENT SO

04:11 - 40.219 FINDING BY THE COURT IS THAT

04:11 - 41.480 YOUR STATE YOUR POSITION.

04:11 - 43.080 I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S

04:11 - 44.619 SIGNIFICANT WHICH I MEAN WHICH

04:11 - 46.279 PART YOUR HONOR THE PART WHERE

04:11 - 47.280 THE ALIGNMENT

04:11 - 48.610 THE FACT THAT THEY'RE IN

04:11 - 50.489 ALIGNMENT IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO

04:11 - 51.490 MAKE A FINDING.

04:11 - 53.530 COURT MAKE A FINDING

04:11 - 55.599 OF THAT NOW TO THAT YOUR THAT

04:11 - 56.810 YOUR ARGUMENT POSITION.

04:11 - 00.290 NO BUT WHAT MY CLIENT ONCE.

04:12 - 03.249 IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'M

04:12 - 04.250 ARGUING TODAY.

04:12 - 05.280 ALL RIGHT.

04:12 - 06.330 THAT'S KIND OF THE RECORD

04:12 - 08.289 JUST FOR THE FOR PURPOSE, NOT

04:12 - 09.379 I'M SORRY I WAS JUST TRYING TO

04:12 - 09.930 ANSWER

04:12 - 11.939 THAT QUESTION. I HAVE ONE MORE

04:12 - 13.899 FOLLOW-UP TROPHY IS THE WAIVER

04:12 - 15.569 OF IOWA. I

04:12 - 18.050 I P IT'S AN ILLEGAL.

04:12 - 19.839 THE TERMINATION OR IS THAT A

04:12 - 21.879 FACTUAL DETERMINATION. WELL

04:12 - 23.699 WHETHER SOMEONE IS IN LOCAL

04:12 - 25.169 PRENTISS SOMEBODY IS WAIVED

04:12 - 26.679 THEIR RIGHTS AND MONEY IN LOCAL

04:12 - 28.239 PRENTICE I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD

04:12 - 30.929 BE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT

04:12 - 31.420 THERE'S ANY

04:12 - 34.079 DISCUSSION OF WAIVER OF I O P

04:12 - 35.240 IN THE CASE LAW.

04:12 - 37.139 WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT WOULD BE

04:12 - 38.759 A FACTUAL DETERMINATION OF

04:12 - 40.819 WHETHER SOMEONE MAYBE HAS LOST

04:12 - 43.209 I LP STATUS OR NEVER GAINED I

04:12 - 44.210 LP STATUS.

04:12 - 48.079 THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU YOU'RE

04:12 - 49.080 ON IT.

04:12 - 54.089 BEFORE WE BEFORE

04:12 - 55.769 WE ADJOURNED, THANK YOU TO THE

04:12 - 58.799 NATIONAL PARK WAS WONDERFUL ARE

04:12 - 00.479 YOU IN THIS ROOM, THANK YOU ALL

04:13 - 02.159 FOR BEING SO PATIENT STAND

04:13 - 03.160 ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY.


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