00:28 - >>HELLO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

00:29 - WELCOME TO BATTLEFIELD

00:30 - PENNSYLVANIA. TODAY WE'RE

00:32 - FILMING ON LOCATION OF THE ERIE

00:33 - MARITIME MUSEUM.

00:35 - IN THE YEAR 18, 12 UNITED

00:37 - STATES DECLARED WAR ON AN OLD

00:38 - ENEMY. THE EMPIRE OF GREAT

00:40 - BRITAIN. CONTROVERSY IN ITS

00:42 - OWN TIME. MANY VIEW THE WAR OF

00:44 - 18, 12 AS A MATTER OF MERE

00:45 - POLITICS. WHILE OTHERS AS AN

00:47 - ISSUE OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

00:49 - 2 CENTURIES LATER, THE

00:50 - CONFUSION REMAINS. BUT THERE

00:52 - IS ONE IRREFUTABLE BRIGHT SPOT.

00:54 - IN 18, 13 COMMODORE OLIVER

00:56 - HAZARD. PERRY OVERSAW THE

00:57 - CONSTRUCTION OF A FLEET BUT

00:59 - EVENTUALLY DO BATTLE AND DEFEAT

01:01 - THE MIGHTY BRITISH NAVY.

01:03 - I'M YOUR HOST BREAK, RIGHT,

01:04 - SIR. JOINING ME TODAY AS WALTER

01:06 - RIPPED OUT DIRECTOR OF THE AREA

01:08 - MARITIME MUSEUM AND SENIOR

01:10 - CAPTAIN OF THE U.S. BRIG

01:11 - NIAGARA. WALTER, THANK YOU FOR

01:13 - BEING HERE. WELCOME. TELL US

01:15 - ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL FACILITY.

01:17 - THE ERIE MARITIME MUSEUM,

01:18 - OLMERT, I MUSEUM OPENED 1998.

01:23 - >>IT

01:25 - FORTUITOUS CIRCUMSTANCES THAT

01:27 - THE PANEL EQ. FROM STREET

01:30 - GENERATING STATION

01:31 - WAS A WAS DECOMMISSIONED IN

01:35 - 92 AND PENA LIKE DECIDE TO GIVE

01:38 - THE LAND TOO PHMC IN THE COUNTY

01:43 - AND IT WORKED OUT ACTUALLY PHMC

01:46 - DIDN'T TAKE OWNERSHIP. WE THE

01:49 - EQUIVALENT WE HAVE A LEASE ITS

01:50 - 99 YEARS FOR A DOLLAR

01:52 - UNKNOWABLE. BUT IT'S AT YOUR

01:53 - COUNTY BUILDING. ERIE COUNTY,

01:55 - THE LIBRARY'S NEXT OR NEW

01:57 - LIBRARY WAS BUILT.

02:00 - WE HAVE A COMMON LAW BE AND WE

02:02 - OPENED IN 1998, AND OUR PRIMARY

02:05 - EXHIBIT HERE IS ABOUT THE

02:07 - BUILDING OF THE SQUADRON FOR

02:08 - THE WAR OF 18, 12 MARITIME

02:11 - MUSEUM AND TRIES TO COVER THE

02:13 - LATER MARITIME HISTORY SINCE

02:14 - THE 200 YEARS OF HAPPENED

02:16 - AFTERWARDS, WE HAVE SOME SMALL

02:18 - EXHIBITS ON FISHING AND AS

02:20 - WE'RE COLLECTING THINGS AND GET

02:21 - MORE MATERIAL OVER THE YEARS

02:22 - WILL FILL IT IN ABOUT THE

02:24 - GROWTH OF A SNAG ATION THAT

02:28 - HOLE STRUCTURE OF

02:30 - INFRASTRUCTURE AND GOVERNMENT

02:32 - TO SUPPLY DAYS. NAVIGATION THAT

02:34 - HELPED THE THE

02:36 - SHIPS NAVIGATE AROUND THE

02:37 - LAKES, LIFESAVING QUITE A FEW

02:41 - STORIES TO TELL WHAT WE HAVEN'T

02:43 - GOT TO YET. BUT WE HAVE A

02:44 - PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE ON THE

02:45 - WAR OF 18, 12. NOW YOU'RE A

02:47 - SENIOR CAPTAIN OF THE U.S. BRIG

02:49 - NIAGARA. WE TALK A LITTLE ABOUT

02:50 - HOW YOU CAME TO THAT POSITION.

02:53 - YES, I'VE ALWAYS WORKED IN AND

02:58 - SPECIAL 7 SHIPS, NO WAR.

03:00 - THE REPLICAS RESTORATIONS FOR

03:02 - EDUCATIONAL OR MUSEUM SHIPS.

03:08 - STARTED SOUTH STREET SEAPORT

03:09 - MUSEUM SAILED ON THE SCHOONER

03:11 - PLAYING HERE FOR A NUMBER OF

03:12 - YEARS. I WORKED ON THE

03:13 - RESTORATION OF THE ALYSSA FOR

03:15 - THE GALVESTON HISTORICAL

03:16 - FOUNDATION'S WHO'S AN IRON

03:18 - MERCHANT SHIP. 18. 77. AND THEN

03:23 - SHE SALE.

03:24 - FOR NUMBER YEARS THAT YOU STILL

03:26 - SALES ON A LIMITED BASIS.

03:30 - I WAS I WAS RECRUITED. TO COME

03:33 - HERE IN 1991. WANT TO SEE IF IT

03:36 - WAS FEASIBLE TO DO REGULAR

03:38 - SAILING PROGRAM TRAINING SOME

03:40 - VOLUNTEERS AND HAVING A SMALL

03:42 - PROFESSIONAL CREW AND WE JUST

03:44 - WORK OUT A PROGRAM TO UTILIZE

03:46 - THE SHIP. AND TAKERS IMPORTS

03:49 - END. IT WAS A 6 MONTH CONTRACT

03:51 - AND

03:52 - THAT EXTENDED FOR YEAR MAN.

03:55 - >>WELL, I'M STILL HERE, BUT IT

03:56 - TURNED OUT TO BE A PRETTY GOOD

03:57 - FIT. SO I I CAME TO THIS BEING

04:00 - A. A SEAMAN WITH AN INTEREST

04:02 - IN HISTORY. AND I I DON'T HAVE

04:05 - ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS AS A

04:07 - HISTORIAN, I AM.

04:11 - TO TELL A STORY. WE HAVE TO

04:12 - LEARN A LOT ABOUT IT. AND

04:14 - >>WE DO ALL READING THE

04:15 - MATERIAL ALL THE RESEARCH AND

04:18 - AND SO I PARTICIPATE IN A GREAT

04:20 - DEAL OF THE THE RESEARCH AND

04:22 - DESIGN OF THE EXHIBIT THIS

04:23 - MUSEUM SUCH INTERWEAVING THE

04:26 - TECHNOLOGY, THE SHIP. WITH THE

04:29 - WITH HISTORICAL STORY. SO I

04:31 - CAME INTO BEING A CAPTAIN

04:32 - REVENUES IN THIS TRAITOR, LAKE

04:35 - ERIE AND A LOT OF WAYS

04:36 - STRADDLES 2 WORLDS

04:37 - SIMULTANEOUSLY. AMERICAN AND

04:39 - CANADIAN.

04:40 - >>COULD YOU TALK ABOUT WHY THIS

04:41 - LAKE WAS SO IMPORTANT IN THE

04:43 - YEAR 18, 12? WELL, SEE THE

04:44 - LAKERS, THE ONLY WAY.

04:47 - TO THIS DAY, THE MOST EFFICIENT

04:48 - WAY TO MOVE ANYTHING HEAVIEST

04:50 - FLOAT IT.

04:51 - AND IN 18 13, THAT WAS REALLY

04:54 - EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE THE ROADS

04:56 - WERE.

04:57 - THE REASON NONEXISTENT OR OR

04:59 - PRETTY MUGGY. A LOT OF THE YEAR

05:01 - HE HAD TO WAIT FOR GOOD WEATHER

05:02 - SHORE JUST LIKE IT'S 8. YOU

05:04 - MIGHT BE WIND DOWN WAITING FOR

05:05 - A DECENT WIND IN THE RIGHT

05:06 - DIRECTION OR STORM DIE DOWN

05:09 - BEFORE YOU SELL ON THE LAKE.

05:10 - BUT ON THE LAND, GET AWAY FOR

05:12 - GOOD WEATHER DRY ENOUGH ROAD.

05:13 - REAR AXLES A SINK IN AND YOUR

05:16 - WHEELS, YOUR SINK. AND AFTER

05:17 - THE AXLE. AND SO LAND TRAVEL IS

05:20 - VERY DIFFICULT. VERY SLOW OR

05:21 - INEFFICIENT. THEY WORRY ABOUT

05:23 - WHERE THERE ISN'T A FORWARD FOR

05:24 - THE HORSES AND THEN AND A LOT

05:27 - OF THE AREAS AROUND HERE FOR

05:29 - HEAVILY WOODED. THAT WILL BE

05:31 - AN ISSUE. AND THEN ALSO

05:35 - AS YOU WENT FURTHER TOWARDS

05:37 - THE WESTERN END OF THE LAKE,

05:38 - YOU ARE SO SUBJECT TO AN

05:39 - ADDICTION BY THE BUT THE

05:42 - INDIANS. WHO WERE GENERALLY

05:46 - MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE BRITISH.

05:48 - AS BEING THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS

05:50 - IN TERMS OF WHO IS MOST LIKELY

05:52 - TO TAKE THEIR LANDS, A VICTIM

05:53 - FROM IT. IT WAS A LONG HISTORY

05:55 - OF THAT POINT TO THE AMERICANS

05:57 - DOING SO AND A LOT OF THE

06:00 - TRIBES.

06:01 - WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO STAY

06:03 - NEUTRAL OR STAY OUT OF THIS AND

06:04 - KEEP THEIR HEADS DOWN AND AVOID

06:06 - TROUBLE IF THEY COULD. THOSE

06:09 - THAT DID TAKE UP MORE OF THEM.

06:12 - IT'S ON BEHALF OF THE BRITISH.

06:13 - AND SO FOR THE AMERICANS WHO IS

06:15 - VERY VITAL. TO BE ABLE TO, TO

06:17 - MOVE BY LAKE.

06:21 - WHOSE ONLY OFFICIAL WITH THE

06:22 - MOVEMENT OF SUPPLIES.

06:24 - >>WHAT WAS THE RELATIONSHIP

06:25 - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND

06:27 - CANADA IN THE YEAR TO 12?

06:31 - >>CANADA. REALLY BARELY

06:34 - EXISTED.

06:36 - AND THAT IS SO SPARSELY.

06:37 - SO THE POPULATION SO SMALL,

06:40 - IT WAS CALLED THE CANADA.

06:41 - IT.

06:43 - YOU KNOW, WAS INSERTED ONE

06:44 - COUNTRY. IT WAS A SERIES OF

06:46 - SEPARATE COLONIES. SO NEW FOR

06:48 - THE LONDON NOVA SCOTIA WERE

06:50 - SEPARATELY ADMINISTERED THE

06:52 - QUEBEC HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER

06:54 - AFTER THE FRENCH INDIAN WAR

06:57 - ONTARIO WAS THE. THAT WAS THE

07:00 - FAR WEST AND VERY SPARSELY

07:03 - SETTLED AND SO.

07:06 - AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS NOT

07:07 - A BAD ONE AT SUCH AS IT WENT.

07:11 - WE HAD A GREAT MANY PEOPLE WHO

07:12 - MOVED INTO CANADA BECAUSE LANDS

07:14 - LITTLE CHEAPER. THERE AND THEIR

07:15 - AMERICAN-BORN.

07:18 - AND THEY ENDED UP IN A VERY

07:19 - BAD PLACE AND WE DIDN'T TRUST

07:23 - THEM AFTER THEY CROSSED OVER

07:24 - BECAUSE THEY LEFT THE COUNTRY

07:25 - AND WENT TO THE VERSUS ANOTHER

07:27 - COUNTRY AND THROUGH THE VARIOUS

07:28 - DIDN'T TRUST THEM BECAUSE THEY

07:29 - CAME FROM AMERICA.

07:31 - >>THEY CAME FROM THE STATES

07:32 - AND MOST OF THEM SIMPLY WANTED

07:34 - TO.

07:36 - BY FARM AND AFFORDABLE PRICES.

07:38 - AND WE'RE KITTEN.

07:41 - STAY THE HELL. I WAS WAY.

07:43 - AND SO IS THERE A POLITICAL?

07:45 - I SAY PROBABLY. THESE PEOPLE

07:48 - WERE CAUGHT ON THE ON THE ON

07:52 - THE SHIFTING TECTONIC PLATES

07:54 - OF EMPIRE. WE'VE GOT CAUGHT ON

07:56 - THE EDGE. THAT'S I GOT SUCKED

07:58 - INTO THE FIGHT.

08:00 - IF YOU VISIT ERIE TODAY, IT'S

08:02 - STILL VERY MUCH A MARITIME

08:03 - CITY. WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN 18?

08:04 - 12?

08:06 - WHY SING ONE QUALIFIES. THE

08:08 - CITY. MAYBE OF ALL OF IT.

08:11 - A FRONTIER TOWN ABOUT 500

08:14 - PEOPLE.

08:17 - WHEN THE BUILDING CREW CAME

08:18 - HERE FOR THE BUILDING, AMERICAN

08:20 - SQUADRON HERE, THE DEVILLE LOG

08:22 - THAT THE BILL LOG CABIN SAID

08:24 - BILL LAW BUILDINGS TO HOUSE

08:25 - THE CREWS TOO, TO WORK THROUGH

08:28 - THE WINTER AND GET THE SHIP'S

08:29 - DONE. AND SO IT'S VERY SMALL.

08:33 - FRONTIER.

08:36 - IN 18, 12. YOU'RE VERY MUCH

08:38 - LIVING IN A WORLD SUPERPOWERS.

08:40 - BUT AMERICA WASN'T ONE OF THE

08:41 - SUPERPOWERS. WAS IT?

08:43 - YOU KNOW, AMERICA DOES NOT

08:45 - REGISTER AS AS A POWER PERIOD.

08:48 - IT TO WAS SO SMALL AND SO.

08:55 - HERE, THE POPULATION THAT THE

08:56 - TIME WAS. I DON'T RECALL, BUT

09:00 - IT WAS I WAS UNDER 10 MILLION,

09:03 - MAYBE 7, HAVE THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

09:05 - THAT'S WHAT I WOULD. BUT AND

09:07 - THIS STILL MOSTLY MOST OF THE

09:08 - EAST COAST. AND YOU HAVE THIS

09:10 - VERY THIN. LINE OF SETTLEMENT

09:13 - THAT GOES OVER THE APPALACHIANS

09:15 - AND DOWN THE OHIO RIVER AND

09:17 - AND FOLLOWS THE WATERWAYS AND

09:20 - YOU KNOW, CLEVELAND IS 50

09:21 - HOUSES.

09:24 - AREAS, 500

09:28 - THAT SIZE SMALLER. AND SO

09:34 - YOU WERE OUT OF POWER. ALL WE

09:36 - WE HAVE TINY NAVY. WE'VE BUILT

09:39 - UP TO FIGHT THE BARBARY PIRATES

09:41 - FIGHT THE NORTH AFRICAN

09:42 - STATE'S. AND THEN AFTER THAT

09:44 - WAR AND 18, 0, 7,

09:48 - THE FLEET WAS LARGELY TO LAID

09:51 - UP AND PEOPLE PUT ON

09:55 - FOR LOW AND AND THE ARMY WAS

09:58 - MISS SCHOOL.

10:01 - UNDER 5,000, MOSTLY ON THE

10:03 - WESTERN FRONT. HERE'S TO TRY TO

10:04 - DEFEND SETTLEMENTS

10:09 - INDIANS DEFENDING THEIR SO THE

10:14 - THE COUNTRY WAS NOT PREPARED AT

10:15 - ALL FOR A WAR.

10:21 - IT'S REALLY AMAZING THAT THE

10:22 - THE PEOPLE WHO CONSISTENTLY

10:24 - VOTED AGAINST SAYING TAXES TO

10:25 - PAY FOR A STRONG MILITARY.

10:27 - WE'RE BIASED. PEOPLE VOTED FOR

10:29 - THE WAR AND WHAT THEY'RE

10:30 - THINKING. THEY DID A. ON THAT

10:35 - NOTE WHO WORE THE SUPERPOWERS

10:37 - AND WHAT WERE THEY DOING?

10:39 - WELL, THE 2 DOMINANT POWERS

10:41 - WERE GREAT BRITAIN AND THEY

10:45 - READ EACH OTHER'S THROATS

10:46 - CONTINUOUSLY SINCE ABOUT 17.

10:48 - 92 HISTORICALLY MANY YEARS OF

10:51 - A WAR. BUT INTERSPERSED WITH

10:54 - PERIODS OF

10:56 - DORMANCY, LET'S SAY, FROM SOME

11:00 - TEA, MAYBE 2 WHEN THE FRENCH

11:02 - REVOLUTION. WHEN. THE

11:08 - NEIGHBORING STATES DECIDE TO

11:09 - HAVE A CRACK AT QUASHING FRENCH

11:11 - REVOLUTION. AND THEN THE FRENCH

11:14 - PROVED THAT THEY COULD DEFEND

11:15 - THEMSELVES. THEN AND THEN WENT

11:17 - ON THE RAMPAGE AGAINST.

11:19 - REST OF EUROPE.

11:22 - FROM 17 92 EXCEPT FOR THE

11:25 - PIECE. I'M IN LITTLE MISSION

11:27 - ABOUT 18 O 3. THERE WAS JUST

11:30 - CONTINUOUS WARFARE UNTIL EASY

11:33 - TO STEAM. THE BRITISH ARE, AS

11:35 - YOU SAID, THAT CONTINUOUS MORE

11:36 - WITH FRANCE. WHAT WAS AND WHY

11:39 - WAS IT SUCH A BIG DEAL? IMPRESS

11:41 - MONTHS WAS LIKE A. CONSCRIPTION

11:44 - INTO THE NAVY.

11:47 - IT

11:49 - THIS IS WHERE IRONICALLY THE

11:51 - PEOPLE WHO BRING WAS THE FREEST

11:53 - COUNTRY IN EUROPE BY A LONG

11:54 - SHOT.

11:55 - I'VE OFTEN SAID THE ONLY REASON

11:57 - THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION HAD A

11:58 - PRAYER SUCCEEDING. THIS IS

11:59 - BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY THE

12:00 - FREEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

12:03 - WE WE WERE UNDER LEGAL SYSTEM,

12:05 - A RELATIVELY HARD TO PUT PEOPLE

12:06 - IN JAIL.

12:07 - AND SO WASHINGTON JEFFERSON

12:09 - DOLLS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN

12:10 - HEARD FROM FOR EVERYBODY ELSE

12:11 - IS CALLING MOVING, LOCKED UP

12:12 - AND THROW AWAY THE KEY FOR SUN.

12:14 - MAYBE NOISE. THE REASON WE GOT

12:15 - AWAY WITH IT WAS BECAUSE THIS

12:17 - WAS A COUNTRY HAD A FREE PRESS

12:20 - HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF

12:22 - FREEDOM. BUT IN BRITAIN, THEY

12:26 - SAID THE NAVY IS ABSOLUTELY

12:27 - ESSENTIAL. THEY COULD HAVE A

12:28 - VOLUNTEER ARMY ONLY COUNTRY IN

12:30 - EUROPE THAT VOLUNTEER ARMY.

12:33 - BUT THE NAVY, THEY THEY NEEDED

12:35 - IT AND THEY WANTED VOLUNTEERS

12:37 - FOR THE NAVY AND SOMETIMES GOT

12:39 - THEM. BUT THEY WERE ALWAYS

12:40 - SHORT COMPARED NUMBER OF PEOPLE

12:41 - WHO REALLY NEED IT. AND

12:43 - PRESSMAN SAID THEY COULD

12:44 - SCENES.

12:48 - IN VOLUNTARY SERVICE IN THE

12:49 - NAVY.

12:50 - AND ONLY IN LA CITIZENS WHO ARE

12:52 - SUBJECT TO THIS THEORETICALLY.

12:57 - BRITISH SAILORS. WERE STARTING

12:59 - TO.

13:02 - AS THE WAR'S GETTING. IT'S JUST

13:04 - GOING TO IT. I GET HOME.

13:06 - YOU KNOW, THEN THE WARS IN THE

13:07 - MID 18TH CENTURY MAYBE GET

13:09 - IMPRESSED OFF THE FISHING

13:10 - VESSEL MERCHANT VESSEL AND

13:12 - YOU'RE IN THE NAVY NOW AND YOU

13:14 - PUT UP WITH IT AND YOU SURVIVE

13:15 - AND AND MAYBE 2, 3, LATE AS

13:17 - YOU GET HOME TO 3 YEARS LATER.

13:19 - BUT AT THIS WAR.

13:21 - THEY GOT IN THIS VICIOUS CYCLE

13:23 - WHERE THEY WERE IN GRANTING

13:24 - SURELY BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD

13:25 - DESERT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T

13:27 - SEEING THEIR THEIR HOMES AND

13:28 - EVER SAW THE RELATIVES AGAIN.

13:30 - AND SO THEY'RE KEEPING HIM ON

13:31 - THE SHIP'S THIS GAME OR SOURCES

13:33 - VICIOUS CYCLE. AND SO PEOPLE

13:35 - ARE DESERVING. THEY'RE HAVING A

13:36 - LOT OF DESERTION AND THE MOST

13:38 - POPULAR PLACE TO DESERT IS ON

13:40 - TO THE AMERICAN SHIP AND SOME

13:41 - FOREIGN PORT. BOTH SHIPS ARE

13:43 - IN PORT. YOU WOULD THEN SIGN ON

13:45 - THE SO MUCH. WE SPOKE THE SAME

13:47 - LANGUAGE OFFERED REEMPLOYMENT

13:49 - GENERALLY AT A HIGHER WAGE.

13:50 - WE'RE NOT A WAR. SO THEY'RE

13:52 - HEMORRHAGING PEOPLE INTO

13:53 - AMERICAN SHIPS.

13:55 - AND SO THEY START STOPPING

13:57 - AMERICAN SHIPS.

13:59 - THEY'RE STOPPING EVERY SHIP

14:00 - THAT RAN ACROSS KNOW SWEDISH

14:02 - FRENCH, DUTCH BRADY, YOU KNOW,

14:03 - WHATEVER AND LOOKING FOR

14:05 - BRITISH SEAMEN. ON OUR AMERICAN

14:08 - SHIP. NOW, HOW TO TELL THE

14:10 - DIFFERENCE.

14:12 - WHO'S WHO? NO FINGERPRINTS,

14:14 - NO PASSPORTS.

14:16 - AND SO A LOT OF AMERICANS GOT

14:17 - FORCED INTO SERVICE IN THE

14:18 - ROYAL NAVY. IT WAS ONLY

14:21 - INTENDED FOR TRYING TO RECOUNT

14:23 - RECAPTURE THEIR OWN. IT HAD

14:26 - A A FAR BIGGER NET THAN THAT.

14:31 - AND THAT WAS A LET'S SAY,

14:34 - EGREGIOUS.

14:36 - VIOLATION OF RIGHTS. YOU MY

14:38 - BRITISH STANDARDS.

14:41 - THAT'S A PARTICULAR OVER

14:42 - STANDARDS. IT WAS. THE COUNTRY

14:45 - THAT. THAT WAS THE FREEST IN

14:48 - EUROPE AND THAT THEY WOULD

14:49 - DISAPPEAR THEIR OWN PEOPLE OFF

14:50 - THE STREETS AND FOR SOMEONE TO

14:52 - THE SHIPS. NOW, THE BRITISH

14:54 - ALWAYS CLAIMED TO RULE THE

14:55 - SEAS. WE KNOW THAT NOW HOW DOES

14:57 - THAT TRANSLATE TO THE GREAT

14:58 - LAKES?

15:00 - IT WENT AS FAR AS THE WAR WENT.

15:03 - BUT IT DIDN'T GO AS FAR AS

15:04 - FRESH WATER PICKED UP.

15:07 - THE REASON AMERICANS HAD A

15:08 - PRAYER OF SURVIVING THE WAR OF

15:10 - 18, 12.

15:12 - WAS BECAUSE THE MIGHT OF THE

15:13 - ROYAL NAVY COULD NOT EASILY

15:16 - PENETRATE THE CONTINENT BEYOND

15:18 - MONTREAL. MONTREAL IS BUILT.

15:20 - WHERE WAS THIS IS THE HEAD OF

15:21 - NAVIGATION IS AS FAR AS YOU

15:23 - CAN GET OCEANGOING SHIP ON THE

15:24 - SAINT. LAWRENCE BEFORE THE SEA

15:26 - WAS BUILT.

15:27 - AND SO BOTH THE ONLINE TREE

15:29 - ALWAYS LOVE SHEEN RAPIDS.

15:30 - THIS TREMENDOUS EXPANSIVE

15:32 - TUMBLING. WATER, BROKEN WATER,

15:34 - WHOLE ROCK. EVERY MILE WEST

15:37 - FROM THERE TO CARRY THINGS.

15:40 - PORTAGE TO GET TO WATER WHERE

15:42 - YOU CAN PUT HIM IN CANOES OR

15:44 - SMALL VESSELS. THERE WAS NO

15:45 - CENTER RAPIDS OF CORNWALL

15:47 - BEFORE YOU CAN GET UP THE RIVER

15:49 - TO KINGSTON. SO SHIPS FOR LAKE

15:51 - ONTARIO HAD TO BE BUILT THERE.

15:54 - AND THEN WITH THAT BEFALL

15:55 - SEPARATING LAKE ERIE FROM LAKE

15:57 - ONTARIO, SHIPS FOR LAKE ERIE

15:58 - HAD TO BE BUILT THERE.

16:00 - AND SO BOTH SIDES GOT OFF TO

16:02 - A FAIRLY EVEN START.

16:05 - BECAUSE OF THE MIGHT OF THE

16:06 - ROYAL NAVY COULD SIMPLY NOT BE

16:08 - EXTENDED SAILING UP INTO THE

16:09 - GREAT LAKES.

16:11 - THE WAR OF 18, 12 US CONSIDER.

16:13 - ONE OF THE MORE CONFUSING WARS

16:14 - IN AMERICAN HISTORY. COULD YOU

16:16 - TAKE US THROUGH THE EVENTS THAT

16:18 - COLLUDED TO BRING US TO THAT

16:20 - POINT.

16:26 - WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, BUT

16:28 - I'D SAY THE THE PRIMARY CAUSES

16:30 - THAT WAR WERE.

16:32 - IMPRESSIVE WAS ONE OF THEM.

16:33 - BUT THAT WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ON

16:35 - ITS OWN BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE

16:36 - WHO FELT WELL, OK, IF YOU WANT

16:38 - TO SAIL A WAR ZONE, YOU TAKE

16:39 - YOUR CHANCES. THERE'S PLENTY OF

16:41 - THINGS TO DO DOMESTICALLY.

16:44 - THE RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE WERE

16:47 - BRITAIN PASS LAWS THAT WOULD

16:49 - BASICALLY PROHIBIT TRADE WITH

16:50 - THE CONTINENT BECAUSE THAT WAS

16:52 - AS FAR AS SERVICES AND ME HELD.

16:55 - AND POLAND HAVE ABOUT THE SAME

16:57 - SET OF LAWS THAT JUST THAT THE

16:59 - FRENCH NAVY DIDN'T HAVE THE

17:00 - POWER TO ENFORCE THEM AS MUCH.

17:02 - BUT AMERICAN SHIPS ARE SIR

17:03 - KINGSLEY SEIZED BY THE FRENCH

17:05 - MARKET SHIP TO BE SEIZED BY

17:06 - THE BRITISH IF THEY HAD A CARGO

17:08 - BOUND FOR EUROPEAN PORT FOR

17:10 - FRENCH PORT.

17:14 - BUT MERCHANTS ARE STILL MAKING

17:15 - MONEY.

17:17 - THE DEMAND FOR FREIGHT WAS SUCH

17:18 - A DEMAND FOR GOODS AND SUCH.

17:20 - THE FRATES WERE SO HIGH THAT

17:22 - ON THE SHIPS TO GOT THROUGH.

17:24 - HE MADE UP FOR THE ONES YOU

17:25 - LOST. BUT STILL.

17:29 - >>THE FRUSTRATION OVER THE

17:30 - SEIZURES AND OVER THE STOPPAGES

17:32 - OF TRADE.

17:33 - >>AND THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS

17:35 - IMPOSED. THAT WAS PROBABLY VERY

17:37 - COMPELLING.

17:42 - AND THEN ALSO THE PEOPLE IN

17:43 - THE WEST. I FELT THAT AS LONG

17:45 - AS YOU HAVE A BRITISH PRESENCE

17:46 - IN NORTH AMERICA, THAT WOULD BE

17:48 - ENCOURAGING THE INDIANS TO

17:50 - RESIST WESTWARD EXPANSION.

17:52 - NOW, THE BRITISH DID NOT WANT A

17:53 - WAR. THESE THE STOP SHORT OF

17:55 - AN INCITING TRIBES TO ATTACK.

17:59 - THEIR POLICY VERY CLEARLY WAS

18:01 - TOO HELP. THE INDIANS MAINTAIN

18:04 - A LEVEL OF INDEPENDENCE IS A

18:06 - BUFFER.

18:07 - BECAUSE THE GROWTH OF THE

18:08 - UNITED STATES WAS NOT DESIRABLE

18:10 - TO GREAT BRITAIN BECAUSE

18:13 - WELL, THEY NEVER KNOW WHAT SIDE

18:15 - WILL BE ON THE FUTURE. WARMING

18:17 - RELY WITH FRANCE AGAINST THEM.

18:20 - THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A LEVEL

18:22 - OF AMITY. OR REASONABLE.

18:26 - AMITY AFTER THE REVOLUTION.

18:28 - THAT'S ALWAYS AMAZE ME HOW

18:29 - QUICK THEY GOT OVER THAT.

18:30 - THIS AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

18:33 - WAS ONLY

18:35 - FROM THIS POINT. THIS OF

18:37 - TAXABLE. THE GUY HAND AND THEN

18:39 - YOU PEOPLE THAT RE YOUR COUNTRY

18:41 - BY GOING TO HELP FOR THE FRENCH

18:42 - ARE TRADITIONAL ENEMY WHEN YOU

18:44 - WOULD NOT LIVE THE DAY UNDER

18:45 - THE UNDER THE FRENCH KING, THE

18:47 - EMBRACES HELP.

18:49 - AND THAT WAS LOOKED AT AS THE

18:50 - SO THE ULTIMATE REASONS TO GO

18:52 - ENLIST FRENCH HELP.

18:54 - FOR THE FOR THE REVOLUTION.

18:55 - AND SO IF THIS, IF THIS

18:57 - UNKNOWN. COUNTRY PRIMARILY A

19:02 - POLITICAL. GET RICH QUICK

19:05 - SCHEMERS.

19:07 - YOU NEVER KNEW WHICH WAY THEY

19:08 - TURNS. SELF IN GROVER, A BIG

19:10 - AND STRONG. IT WAS ALRIGHT

19:11 - SOURCE. THEY WERE CONCERNED

19:14 - SO MOVING GETTING GETTING THE

19:16 - BRITISH OUT OF HERE WOULD BE

19:17 - THE KEY TO GETTING THE INDIANS

19:18 - OUT. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF

19:21 - SENTIMENT FOR THAT. SO IT WAS

19:24 - IT WAS A CUMULATIVE

19:25 - FRUSTRATION.

19:28 - I THINK A LOT OF DECLARATION OF

19:29 - WAR ZONE PRECIPITATING EVENT.

19:32 - THERE'S NO ONE CAUSE.

19:34 - AND IT'S A DEEPLY DIVIDED

19:36 - CONGRESS AND DOES IT. IT'S 40%

19:38 - DISSENTING VOTES IN BOTH HOUSES

19:41 - AND SO MUCH OVER

19:46 - ANY SYMPATHY FOR BRITAIN'S

19:48 - POSITION THAT WAS GUYS TO DO

19:50 - THIS RETHINKING.

19:53 - AND ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK

19:54 - NOWADAYS WE CALLED INTELLIGENCE

19:56 - FAILURE. BECAUSE OF THAT TIME

19:58 - THEY DIDN'T. THEN WHAT THEY'RE

20:00 - UP AGAINST LITERALLY. I DON'T

20:03 - THINK THEY QUITE REALIZE A NEW

20:05 - BRITAIN WAS BIG NEWS POWERFUL,

20:07 - BUT I DON'T THINK THEY QUITE

20:08 - REALIZED HOME. SO HOW BIG THE

20:10 - DISPARITY WAS? WE DECLARED WAR

20:13 - ON THE POWER WHOSE ARMED FORCES

20:15 - OUTNUMBER OWNED BY ROUGHLY 24

20:17 - TO ONE.

20:20 - BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO

20:21 - OFFICE OF NAVAL INTELLIGENCE OF

20:23 - CIA, NO SATELLITE SURVEILLANCE,

20:24 - HOW THEY CAN DO THIS.

20:27 - THE AMERICANS HAVE VERY LITTLE

20:28 - PRESENCE ON THE GREAT LAKES

20:29 - FROM ANY MILITARY CAPACITY.

20:31 - THE BRITISH DO YOU TALK ABOUT

20:33 - WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE

20:34 - DOING? WELL, THEY HAVE A

20:35 - PROVINCIAL MARINE, WHICH WAS A

20:37 - TRANSPORT SERVICE FOR THE ARMY,

20:39 - HAS HAD A FEW ARMS SHIP SAID

20:41 - THAT AS START THAT WAY. AND

20:43 - THEY HAD SOME AND WE HAD

20:45 - FRONTIER FORTS THAT WE WERE

20:47 - GUERRA, SOMETHING AND THEY HAD

20:49 - A FEW FORTS IN THE AREA BUT

20:53 - VERY, VERY WEAKLY MAN RECENTLY

20:55 - HELD THE BRITISH BASICALLY DID

20:58 - NOT THINK THEY CAN HOLD ON TO

21:00 - CANADA.

21:01 - AND THEY WERE VERY PLEASANTLY

21:02 - SURPRISED TO DISCOVER THE

21:03 - INCOMPETENCE OF THEIR ATTACKERS

21:05 - GIVEN THE PRAYER. HANG ON TO

21:07 - IT. WHO IS DANIEL DOBBINS?

21:10 - JAMES DOBBINS WAS A YEARY SHIP

21:12 - MASTER. HE CAME HERE IS THIS IS

21:14 - A LAND SURVEYOR.

21:16 - AND THEN STARTED GETTING INTO

21:18 - BUSINESS VENTURES, WHICH

21:19 - REQUIRED TRAINING MOVING AROUND

21:20 - THE LAKE. AND PRETTY SOON YOU

21:22 - REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO GET

21:23 - AROUND HERE IS BY WATER AND SO

21:26 - HE EVENTUALLY LEARNED SALE,

21:28 - BECAME A SEAMAN.

21:30 - AND THEN WAS OWNER AND MASTER

21:32 - OF HIS OWN MERCHANT VESSEL, A

21:33 - SCHOONER THAT PRIMARILY HILTON

21:35 - ASSAULT, WHICH IS VERY

21:37 - IMPORTANT COMMODITY THEM IT WAS

21:39 - A SURFER PRESERVING FOOD THAT

21:41 - SURVEY HAVE SOLVED. IF YOU'RE.

21:47 - JUST SOME OF THOSE ESSENTIAL

21:48 - LIFE.

21:49 - AREAS OF SALT MINES ARE ALWAYS

21:51 - GOING TO BE A READY MARKET TO

21:53 - TRANSPORT THE STUFF ANYWHERE

21:54 - ELSE. SO DOMINANT WAS AM.

21:58 - A MAN WHO WAS.

22:02 - PRETTY WELL RESPECTED, WELL

22:03 - KNOWN COMING UP IN THE TRADE IN

22:05 - AND BECOMING A A

22:09 - RELATIVELY WELL TO DO MERCHANT.

22:11 - AND SO YOU SHOULD MASTER A NEW

22:13 - GEOGRAPHY OF THE LAKES.

22:15 - PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYBODY

22:16 - TIME.

22:17 - HE WAS THAT BACK IN ALL, IT WAS

22:19 - CAPTURED AND THEN THAT RIGHT?

22:21 - AND HE BROUGHT THE NEWS IN

22:22 - PERSON TO THE CABIN WASHINGTON

22:25 - OF THE DISASTER OF HOW BADLY

22:27 - HOLES AND ASIA TURNED OUT THAT

22:29 - THE WHOLE U.S. NORTHWEST

22:30 - FRONTIER WAS WAS UNDER DIRE

22:32 - THREAT AND HE. I THINK

22:34 - PERSUADED THEM OR WAS ABLE WITH

22:36 - HIS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE

22:37 - AREA TO SHOW WHAT YOU REALLY

22:39 - NEED TO DO IS YOU BUILD A SQUAD

22:41 - RIGHT AWAY. AND HERE IS THE

22:43 - PLACE TO DO IT. WHY DO YOU

22:45 - THINK HE WAS SO KEEN ON ERIE

22:47 - AND PRESQUE ISLE BE A BABY IN

22:48 - THE PLACE.

22:50 - PARTIALLY BECAUSE THAT REALLY

22:52 - IS THE ONLY GOOD HARBOR.

22:54 - LET'S HEAR IT WAS A GOOD

22:55 - SHELTER PORT. IT WAS ACCESSIBLE

22:58 - TO THE LEVEL OF INDUSTRY.

22:59 - WE SHORT SUPPLY LINES, TOO.

23:03 - PITTSBURGH. ALSO LOSE HIS HOME.

23:06 - SO HE WOULD NATURALLY HAVE THE

23:08 - VOTES HAVE BIAS AND THAT.

23:09 - BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT

23:10 - WAS ALSO JUST A REASONABLE

23:12 - REFLECTION. IT WAS THE BEST

23:13 - PLACE TO. NOW DOBBINS HAD A

23:16 - BIG PLAN. ISAAC CHAUNCEY IS

23:18 - A BIG PART OF THAT STORY,

23:20 - THOUGH. WHO IS HE? AND WHY IS

23:21 - IMPORTANT? WELL, AS THE CHANCES

23:23 - U.S. NAVY CAPTAIN WHO GETS

23:25 - APPOINTED AS THE COMMANDER OF

23:27 - THE THOUGH, THE GREAT LAKES

23:29 - THEATER OF OPERATIONS. HE'S THE

23:31 - AREA COMMANDER. SO HE'S

23:33 - BUILDING ON LAKE ONTARIO.

23:34 - HE HAD BEEN CUT. COMES ON TO

23:36 - NEW YORK, NEW YORK, MAYBE OUR

23:37 - BEFORE THE WAR. HE HAS MOVED

23:39 - UP TO LAKE ONTARIO. AND THAT'S

23:41 - THE REAL STRATEGIC HE BECAUSE

23:43 - WHOEVER CONTROLS ONTARIO.

23:46 - IF YOU CAN CAPTURE.

23:48 - THE BRITISH TOWN OF KINGSTON

23:51 - IN TORONTO, THE CUT OFF ALL

23:52 - SUPPLIES MOVING WEST FROM

23:54 - THERE, EVERYTHING TO THE WEST

23:55 - OF THAT FALLS AND THE SAME TIME

23:57 - THE BRITISH TO CHA SAYS FLEET,

24:01 - THEN HE'D WANT LOST THE WAR AND

24:03 - AFTERNOON FOR US.

24:04 - AND SO THE MAIN EFFORT IS IS

24:07 - IS ON LAKE ONTARIO, BIGGER

24:09 - SQUADRONS ARE BUILT BIGGER

24:10 - SHIPS, MORE OF THEM. LAKE

24:12 - ERIE'S, A SIDESHOW.

24:16 - YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT LAKE

24:17 - ONTARIO BECAUSE THE BATTLES

24:18 - THERE WERE THERE WAS NEVER A

24:19 - DECISIVE BATTLE.

24:21 - THOUGH, THAT THEY WOULD ENGAGE.

24:22 - AND SO HE'S GETTING THE WORST

24:23 - OF IT. THEY PULLED BACK BECAUSE

24:24 - BOTH COMMANDERS MORE CAN WE'RE

24:26 - CONCERNED ABOUT SORT OF BEING A

24:28 - ON DEFENSIVE GUARD, THEIR

24:29 - POSITION. WHAT WERE THEY

24:31 - INSTRUCTED TO BUILD HERE IN

24:32 - PRESQUE ISLE BAY?

24:34 - WELL, FOR STARTERS, THEY WERE

24:35 - BUILDING A FEW GUNBOATS FOR

24:37 - GUN BOATS, WHICH IS SORT OF A

24:39 - GENERIC TERM FOR ANY SMALL

24:42 - DUST. SO LITTLE HAD A COUPLE

24:43 - OF GUNS ON BECAUSE

24:51 - THE AREA WAS NOT WELL CHARTED

24:53 - IT ALL. THE NO IDEA OF THE

24:56 - HAZARDS AND A LOT OF THE AREAS

24:57 - OF SNOW AS EXTENSIVE. A LOT

24:58 - OF ROCKS AND SHOALS. THEY WANT

25:00 - A SMALL MUSCLES THAT NOT SO

25:02 - MUCH WOULD BE AT RISK AND THEY

25:03 - COULD PASS OVER A LOT OF

25:04 - SHOALS.

25:06 - >>BUT THEY ALSO DECIDE THEY

25:07 - NEED MORE FIREPOWER. AND

25:09 - THEY'RE ALSO CHOOSES. IT WAS

25:10 - ALSO 2 EFFORTS GOING ON AT

25:12 - FIRST SEAN CD TAILED JESSE

25:14 - DUNCAN ELLIOTT TO GO TO BLACK

25:16 - ROCK, WHICH IS ON THE NIAGARA

25:19 - RIVER JUST NORTH OF BUFFALO

25:21 - AND ESTABLISH A NAVAL STATION

25:23 - THERE AND TO BUY UP WHATEVER

25:26 - MERCHANT VESSELS ARE AVAILABLE.

25:28 - SO WE'LL SCHOONERS AND CONVERT

25:30 - THEM TO 2 WARSHIPS BY PUTTING

25:32 - GUNS ON THEM AND STRENGTHENING

25:34 - THEIR DECKS AND BORIC'S A

25:36 - LITTLE BIT.

25:37 - AND SO THAT CONVERSION WORK WAS

25:39 - GOING BUFFALO, JUST

25:42 - NORTH OF AND AND THEN CHAUNCEY

25:45 - ALSO LEFT ORDERS FOR STARTING

25:48 - TO CUT TIMBER.

25:49 - >>SUFFICIENT TO BUILD A BRIG.

25:51 - WE CARRY 20 GUNS.

25:53 - >>BUT IT CAME TO VISIT HERE IN

25:55 - NIAGARA ON JANUARY. FIRST OF

25:58 - 18, 13 WAS PERSUADED. THIS WAS

26:00 - THE BETTER BUILDING SITE AND

26:03 - DIRECTED DOBBINS, TOO. KEEP

26:05 - GOING ON THIS ON BOATS. WE

26:07 - CONSIDERED TOO LITTLE TOO

26:08 - SMALL. THEY WERE LENGTHEN 10

26:10 - FEET.

26:11 - AND SO THEY BECAME THE 4TH

26:13 - SCHOONERS THAT WERE BUILT HERE.

26:15 - BUT HE ALSO. THEN SUBSEQUENTLY

26:18 - IN FEBRUARY HE WROTE A CONTRACT

26:21 - LETTER TO A NEW YORK

26:21 - SHIPBUILDER UNO BROWN.

26:24 - THAT WAS LIKE A PERFORMANCE

26:26 - PACKET SAID I WANT YOU TO GO

26:28 - TO YEARY AND BUILDING THE LEAST

26:30 - POSSIBLE TIME TO BRIGGS WILL

26:32 - CARRY 20 GUNS OF 32 POUND KAREN

26:34 - AIDS. AND I WANT THEM ON THE

26:37 - SHOWERS DRAFT THAT CAN CARRY

26:39 - THESE GUNS.

26:41 - THE THE FRAME WHICH DICTATES

26:43 - THE SHAPE OF THE SHIP, THE

26:44 - CENTER. WELL, EVEN CHARLIE HAVE

26:46 - TO ISN'T DESIGNED SPECTERS OF

26:48 - PERFORMANCE PECK. AND THAT WAS

26:50 - THE BASIS OF THE LAWRENCE AND

26:52 - THEN AGRA.

26:53 - AND SIDE OF PERRY. PERRY

26:54 - INITIALLY START AT LIKE 11

26:56 - SHIPS BECAUSE HE THE AMELIA WAS

27:01 - LEAKING SO BADLY LEFT HERE IN

27:02 - ERIE AND THEN WON THE SCHOONER.

27:04 - OHIO WAS USED AS A SUPPLY SHIP

27:06 - RUNNING BACK AND FORTH AS BINS

27:08 - COMMAND. AND SO HE WAS NOT

27:10 - PRESENT TO THE BATTLE. BUT THIS

27:12 - IS SENT OFF TO RESUPPLY.

27:14 - THAT WAS IN THE AREA AND THEN

27:15 - SHOWED UP PUT IN A FEW DAYS

27:16 - LATER. BUT PERRY HAD 10 SHIP

27:18 - 6 WHICH HAVE BEEN BUILT AND

27:20 - IN THE AREA BEFORE SCHOONERS

27:21 - THE 2 BIGS AND THEN FOR WORKING

27:24 - FOR IMMERSION VESSELS OF THE

27:25 - SALE HERE BLACKROCK FROM THAT

27:27 - RIVER. AND JIM AND I WAS A

27:29 - SQUASH AND 10.

27:31 - YOU MENTIONED ALL OF HER

27:33 - HAZARD, PERRY, HIS NAME LOOMS

27:34 - LARGER. ALL OF THIS. WHO WAS HE

27:36 - AND WHY WAS HE SELECTED

27:37 - FOR THIS?

27:39 - >>WELL, HE WAS A YOUNG NAVAL

27:40 - OFFICERS PRETTY AMBITIOUS.

27:42 - HE THEN THE NAVY'S SINCE HE

27:43 - WAS 13.

27:45 - >>HE BEEN A MIDSHIPMAN AND THE

27:47 - BARBARY WARS.

27:52 - AND THEN HAD GOTTEN A COMMAND.

27:54 - WELL, THE SCHOONER, THE

27:55 - REVENGE, WHICH WAS LAST ON A

27:57 - REEF. DO THE NAVIGATIONAL

27:59 - ERROR, THE CIVILIAN PILOT PILOT

28:02 - WAS A PORTION MOST TO BLAME

28:03 - FOR THAT. SO PERRY WAS ABLE TO

28:05 - KEEP HIS COMMISSION, BUT THE

28:07 - U.S. NAVY, ANYTIME YOU LOSE A

28:09 - SHIP OR A REASON OTHER THAN

28:11 - HAVING A SHOT OUT FROM UNDER

28:12 - USE. IT'S NOT A GOOD CAREER

28:13 - MOVE.

28:14 - AND WHEN THE WAR CAME IN 18,

28:17 - 13, HE WAS IN CHARGE OF A

28:19 - SQUADRON GUNBOATS IN NEWPORT,

28:21 - WHICH IS WHERE IT'S FROM.

28:23 - I'M NOT LIKELY TO SEE MUCH

28:24 - ACTION. THE PETITION FOR SALT

28:26 - WATER COMMAND WE HAD SO FEW

28:28 - SHIPS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO

28:30 - MORE SENIOR PEOPLE ANYWAY.

28:32 - BUT THE FACT THE LOSS OF ENGINE

28:34 - MIGHT HAVE BEEN HELD AGAINST

28:36 - HIM SOMEWHAT. HE HE APPLIED FOR

28:39 - JOINING SHAUN SO LAKES,

28:40 - FIGURING THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW,

28:42 - THAT'S GOING TO BE NO MEANS

28:44 - WANT TO GO IN, WANT TO GO THE

28:45 - LAKES BECAUSE SAYS VERY REAL

28:46 - PROSPECT. A PRIZE MONEY.

28:48 - WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO

28:48 - ABLE TO CAPTURE MERSHON SHIPS.

28:50 - ARE THERE AREN'T ANY THAT IS.

28:52 - BUT SO NOBODY WANTS TO GO THERE

28:54 - AND THEY'RE PROBABLY FAIRLY

28:55 - EASY TO GET A COMMAND THERE.

28:57 - SO WE APPLIED TO CHAUNCEY,

28:58 - WROTE HIM A LETTER AND NOVEMBER

29:00 - AND THE JANUARY TRANSFER RIGHTS

29:02 - BACK AND AND HE HAD WRITTEN THE

29:04 - SECRETARY OF THE NAVY AND AND

29:06 - ASKED HIM TO SEND PERRY UP

29:08 - THERE BECAUSE HE SAID HE

29:09 - RECOGNIZED THAT PERRY HAD SOME

29:11 - ABILITY AND HE HAS SUPERVISED

29:13 - THE CONSTRUCTION IS GUNBOATS

29:14 - SQUADRONS WHO HAD A LITTLE BIT

29:15 - OF THAT INTERFACE OF SHIPYARD.

29:18 - GRAS BALL LOGISTICS. WANT TAKES

29:20 - TO GET THINGS BUILT.

29:22 - AND SO WHEN HE GOT UP TO LAKE

29:24 - ONTARIO, WE JUST SOME ONTO LAKE

29:26 - ERIE AND SAID THIS IS YOUR

29:28 - THEM. AND I WANT FOR THIS JOB.

29:30 - AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE HE

29:33 - AMBITIOUS AND VOLUNTEERED FOR

29:35 - IT.

29:36 - WAS ALSO NOT A VERY DESIRABLE

29:38 - POSITION BECAUSE THIS OUT AS

29:40 - WILDERNESS BACK

29:43 - YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE

29:43 - WEIGHING. THERE'S CONSTANT FEAR

29:45 - IN THE ATTACK.

29:49 - WITH CONSTANT FEAR. BRITISH

29:51 - SURPRISE ATTACK. BUT, YOU KNOW,

29:53 - POSITION TO DO SO. WE DON'T

29:55 - KNOW THAT AND SO NUMBER POPULAR

29:59 - PLACE TO BE AND THEN USE A

30:01 - HARDSHIP POST WHO WAS A HARD

30:03 - COLD WINTER.

30:04 - AND THE TROUBLE GETTING

30:06 - SUPPLIES, GETTING FOOD, GETTING

30:07 - EVERYTHING AND IT WAS PRETTY

30:10 - DIFFICULT EFFORT FOR HIM TO TO

30:11 - WORK OUT HERE. NOW TO BUILD A

30:13 - FLEET THE SIZE. THE PAIR IS

30:15 - LOOKING AT. YOU WOULD NEED A

30:16 - LARGE AMOUNT OF RAW MATERIALS

30:17 - WHERE THERE'S ALL AVAILABLE

30:18 - LOCALLY.

30:19 - >>WELL, THE WOOD WAS INSTANTLY

30:21 - AVAILABLE AND UNLIMITED

30:22 - QUANTITY AT THAT TIME OF HIS

30:24 - COUNTRY HAD RICHES OF FAR AS

30:27 - THE PEOPLE COMING FROM. EUROPE

30:28 - CANNOT BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN

30:29 - SELLING AND AND COMPETING HAVE

30:31 - BEEN COMPETING USES FOR THEIR

30:33 - FARCE FOR A LONG TIME. BUT OVER

30:34 - HERE IT WAS JUST VIRGIN TIMBER

30:37 - THAT. IT WAS SET. A SQUIRREL

30:39 - COULD GO FROM THE EAST COAST OF

30:40 - MISSISSIPPI WITHOUT HITTING

30:41 - GROUND. IF THEY WANT TO SO AND

30:45 - THE TIMBER SELECTION WAS.

30:49 - YEAH, THAT WAS BUILT IN SUCH A

30:50 - HURRY IN THE LAWRENCE WHO IS

30:52 - EMERGENCY WARTIME CONSTRUCTION.

30:53 - WE NEED IT YESTERDAY AS A

30:56 - SELECTION OF TIMBER WAS THE

30:58 - CLOSEST READ THE WORK SITE, THE

30:59 - ONE BEHIND THAT, THE ONE BEHIND

31:01 - THAT, THE ONE BEHIND THAT SO

31:04 - WOULD WAS ON LIMITED

31:05 - AVAILABILITY. BUT THE

31:06 - EVERYTHING ELSE, THOUGH.

31:08 - THAT WAS DIFFICULT IRON FOR

31:11 - FAST THINGS. DOBBINS WAS

31:13 - DRIVING AROUND EVERY PLACE

31:15 - TRYING TO BUY A BARN HINGES AND

31:16 - BUY ANYTHING HE COULD TO KEEP

31:18 - HOUNDED INTO A FASCINATING AND

31:21 - THEY WENT AS FAR AS BELMONT,

31:22 - WHICH IS MIDDLE OF

31:23 - PENNSYLVANIA, A 200 MILES.

31:25 - MARY TRIBE, IRON.

31:31 - BANKERS IN THE HEMP ROPE FOR

31:33 - CONTRACTED FROM PITTSBURGH.

31:36 - SHOT WAS CAST IN PITTSBURGH.

31:38 - THE GUNS WERE EITHER BROUGHT A

31:40 - FEW OVERLAND FROM BUFFALO THAT

31:42 - ORIGINALLY STARTED IN NEW YORK

31:44 - AND THE NAVY YARD. AND THEN

31:45 - A LOT OF THEM WERE CAST IN

31:46 - GEORGETOWN. SO WASHINGTON,

31:48 - D.C., AND BROUGHT UP CANAL

31:51 - SYSTEM IN THE WATERWAYS THERE.

31:54 - BASICALLY EVERYTHING HAD TO

31:56 - COME FROM A LONG DISTANCE OFF

31:57 - EXCEPT WOULD. ROUGHLY THE SIZE

32:00 - NEEDS A CREW. YES, WERE THEY

32:02 - AVAILABLE IN THE AREA WHERE

32:03 - THEY NOW KNOW THE CREW ARE?

32:05 - THAT WAS PERRY'S CONSTANT

32:07 - PROBLEM AND

32:09 - A CONSTANT REFRAIN OF HE'S

32:11 - COMPLAINING ABOUT LACK OF MEN.

32:14 - AND WITH THEM.

32:15 - HE WAS SENT MEN FROM FROM LAKE

32:17 - ONTARIO WILL DREAMS AND DRABS

32:20 - BE SENT WITH SUPPORT OFFICER IN

32:22 - 20 OR 30 MEN WOULD COME.

32:25 - 40 MEN HERE IN 10 HERE AND THEY

32:27 - GRADUALLY BE SENT TO ACCUMULATE

32:29 - HERE AND YOU SIGN THEM AS BEST

32:30 - THEY COULD TO MAKE USE OF THEIR

32:33 - TALENTS AND SHUFFLING THEM

32:34 - AROUND THE MUSCLE OF THE SNOW.

32:36 - THE CREWS PRONE TO THE RINGING

32:38 - WORK ON THE SHIP BECAUSE THAT'S

32:39 - WHAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO WAS

32:40 - SEEN THEM. THE BUILDERS WERE NO

32:43 - BROWN HAD A CIVILIAN CARPENTERS

32:45 - WHO ARE ENTICED TO COME HERE

32:47 - BY WAYS THAT WE GET NEW

32:53 - AND THEY WERE UNEMPLOYED.

32:54 - NEW YORK LARGELY BECAUSE OF ITS

32:56 - BLOCKADE. SO IT WAS A DOUBLE

32:57 - INCENTIVE TO COME HERE. BUT

33:00 - IS CIVILIAN BUILDING CREW.

33:01 - AND THEN PERRY IS STILL SHORT

33:04 - ON MEN. HE'S RECRUITING SOME

33:06 - LOCAL CITIZENS. SOME PEOPLE

33:07 - WHO ARE IN THE PERSUADE THE

33:09 - MILITIA COMMANDERS TO LET THEM

33:10 - TRANSFER TO THE NAVY IF THEY

33:13 - WISH TO EVENTUALLY APPLIED TO

33:16 - HARRISON FOR FOR SIMILAR HELP

33:18 - FROM THE ARMY AND GOT ABOUT

33:20 - 140 THE ARMY WHAT AFTER YOU

33:23 - SAILED WEST FROM HERE? BUT AND

33:26 - MAYBE 340 U.S. NAVY HAD OF HIS

33:30 - 530 SOMETHING. SO LEAST 2

33:33 - THIRDS AS MEN WERE NAVY BARKLEY

33:35 - HAD A POSITION WHERE ONLY ABOUT

33:36 - A 3RD OF HIS MEMBER ON A B AND

33:39 - THE REST WERE EITHER ARMY YEAR

33:41 - VOLUNTEERS, YOU CANADIAN

33:42 - PROVINCIAL MARINA. VARIOUS

33:44 - SOURCES AND SO.

33:47 - TERRY WAS SHORT HANDED, BUT NOT

33:49 - AS NOT AS BADLY IS NOT AS BAD

33:51 - AS A PARKING LOT. YOU MENTIONED

33:52 - BARCLAY. COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO

33:54 - BARKLEY WAS THE BRITISH IS

33:56 - COUNTERPART THE SAME RANK, SAME

33:58 - AGE? 28. HE WAS ASSIGNED TO

34:01 - LAKE ERIE.

34:03 - BY THE COMMAND OF A LAKE,

34:05 - ONTARIO AND

34:07 - AND BARKLEY. ONLY GOT THE GUY

34:09 - THAT GOT STUCK WITH THE JOB

34:10 - BECAUSE EVERYBODY SENIOR TO HIM

34:12 - AND TURNED IT DOWN. THIS IS A

34:14 - LOOK TO BE TOO FOR LONG

34:18 - SMALL RESOURCE BASE ON THE

34:20 - MEND. BUT SOME HAD TO DO IT.

34:22 - SO BARKLEY GOT SENT AND USE THE

34:25 - BRITISH COMMANDER AS A CITY AND

34:28 - A SMALLER PORTIONS MEN, ROYAL

34:29 - NAVY. SO IT'S VERY IT'S ALMOST

34:33 - AM.

34:34 - THIS IS AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY

34:36 - THAT PERRY DEFEATED THE BRITISH

34:38 - NAVY. HE DEFEATED. A VERY SMALL

34:42 - REMNANT, ARE VERY SMALL OUTPOST

34:45 - OF THE BRITISH NAVY.

34:48 - THAT WAS STUCK OUT HERE IN THE

34:49 - MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

34:53 - THEY PUT UP A HELL OF A FIGHT,

34:54 - TOO. NOW IF YOU VISUALIZE LAKE

34:57 - ERIE ON THE WESTERN AND YOU

34:58 - HAVE. LARGE TARGET BARCLAYS,

35:01 - THERE, WHAT IS THE TARGET WAS

35:02 - AN IMPORTANT.

35:07 - THE BRITISH AND THE CAPTURE

35:09 - DETROIT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE

35:10 - WAR THAT ALSO CAPTURED THE 4 OF

35:12 - THE MACKINAW.

35:13 - THAT ALSO TAKEN FOR DEARBORN

35:15 - MICH, WHICH IS NO CHICAGO.

35:17 - SO THE WHOLE NORTHWEST OF

35:19 - FALLEN UNDER BRITISH, AN INDIAN

35:20 - WHO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE

35:23 - A SPRINGBOARD FOR INVASION INTO

35:25 - ONTARIO AND IT TURNED OUT

35:27 - DISASTROUSLY FOR US.

35:29 - AND SO THEY THEY CAPTURE

35:31 - DETROIT. AND

35:34 - SO THEY'RE IN A POSITION TO

35:35 - THREATEN OHIO AND BUT THEY

35:39 - REALLY WEREN'T IN A POSITION

35:40 - TO TO REALLY INVADE IN ANY

35:43 - STRENGTH. DIDN'T HAVE THE

35:44 - MANPOWER TO DO IT. THEY'RE JUST

35:46 - INTENT ON. HANG ON TO WHAT THE

35:47 - HEAD. BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE A

35:49 - DETROIT WAS INCLUDING MICHIGAN

35:51 - AND SO TO GET THAT BACK, WE HAD

35:54 - TRIED TO.

35:56 - SENDING ARMY IN WHEN THE GROUND

35:59 - IS FROZEN AND YOU COULD A MARCH

36:02 - PRETTY WELL AND THEY'VE BEEN

36:04 - DEFEATED. THE RIVER RAISIN NOW

36:07 - WITH SOME ROLE, MICHIGAN.

36:09 - AND THAT WAS A PRETTY DISASTER

36:11 - SETBACK FOR US. AND AFTER THAT

36:13 - DEFEAT, WE DECIDED THE SEARCH

36:15 - AREA WAR DECIDED WE'RE GOING OR

36:16 - NOT TO ATTEMPT ANY MORE TO

36:18 - RECAPTURE DETROIT UNTIL WE HAVE

36:21 - COMMAND OF THE LAKE.

36:23 - SO WE CAN MOVE TROOPS THAT WERE

36:24 - ABOUT TO GET SHOT. NO WOODS

36:26 - WITH THE INDIANS. WE GET

36:27 - SUPPLIES. WHAT ABOUT WATER?

36:29 - WE HAVE CONTROL LAKE. WHAT WE

36:30 - CAN SAY ABOUT LANDING AND THEN

36:32 - FOR THE U.S. LANDING AND TAKING

36:34 - BACK IN TROY. AND SO THAT WAS

36:36 - THE STRATEGIC GOALS TO

36:38 - RECAPTURE DETROIT. AND

36:43 - GETTING COME AND GO LIKE THE

36:45 - FEELING THAT WHATEVER BRITISH

36:46 - SHIPS WERE THERE. SO YOU CAN

36:48 - MOVEMENT SUPPLIES YOURSELF AND

36:49 - DENY THEM THE ABILITY TO DO SO.

36:52 - ALL OVER HAZARD. PERRY HAS

36:53 - SHIPS. HE HAS MEN. WHAT'S HIS

36:56 - OBJECTIVE WAS EJECTED IS TO TO

36:59 - GO SEEK OUT. AND CAPTURE,

37:01 - DESTROY THE BRITISH SQUADRON.

37:04 - AND HE'S READY TO DO SO BY

37:06 - AUGUST. AND THE SALES DOWN TO

37:09 - PUT IN BAY USE AS HIS BASE OF

37:12 - OPERATIONS IS A GOOD ANCHORAGE.

37:14 - AND HE SAILED OUT OF. THERE ARE

37:16 - A LOT. HE SAILED OUT FOR 2,

37:17 - 3 DAYS. THE TIME THE RECORD

37:19 - LATER UP AROUND DETROIT IN CELL

37:21 - UP THE RIVER BECAUSE SAID NO

37:22 - CHARTS OF A LOT OF SHOALS.

37:24 - THE BRITISH AT GUN EMPLACEMENTS

37:26 - ON THE LAND IS JUST BAD

37:27 - BUSINESS TO GET IN THERE.

37:28 - BUT HE KEPT ON WHAT THEY'RE

37:29 - DOING.

37:31 - AND THEY'RE BASICALLY BLOCKADED

37:32 - IN BECAUSE HE HAS A STRONGER

37:34 - SQUAD ARE NOW.

37:35 - AND STILL AHEAD, THE DETROIT

37:37 - BUILT COMPLETED. THEY WERE

37:38 - BUILDING THE SHIP, WHICH WAS

37:39 - LARGEST, THE LARGEST ONE.

37:41 - THE LAKE. AND WHEN THEY HAVE

37:43 - THAT COMPLETED THE VENTS, ONE

37:45 - BARKLEY DECIDED HE COULD COME

37:46 - OUT TO FIGHT NEXT. YOU HAVE

37:47 - A CHOICE. BECAUSE BY THEN

37:50 - THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF WHEN

37:53 - BARKLEY CAME OUT TO FIGHT.

37:55 - IT WAS NOT WITH ANY SENSE

37:59 - OF UBER SAYS OUT OF THE SENSE

38:00 - OF IMPENDING VICTORY. HE COMES

38:03 - OUT WITH A SQUADRON SPENT ON

38:04 - HALF RATIONS FOR WEEK. THEY

38:07 - HAVE FRACTIONS FOR ONE MORE

38:08 - WEEK.

38:09 - AND THEN THEY'RE OUT. AND SO.

38:12 - IT

38:15 - YOU'RE READY OR NOT. WE'VE GOT

38:15 - TO DO THIS. LET'S GET IT OVER

38:17 - WITH. IN YOUR BOOK. YOU

38:18 - DESCRIBE THE BATTLE OF LAKE

38:20 - ERIE, US, THE HUNGRY FIGHTING

38:21 - THE SEC.

38:22 - YES, BECAUSE PERRY HAD A LOT OF

38:24 - PROM AND HIS SQUADRON FEVER

38:26 - AND THIS IN TURN. AND WE DON'T

38:28 - KNOW WHETHER THERE'S SOME

38:30 - THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN

38:30 - MALARIAL MOSQUITOES ON LAKE

38:32 - ERIE AT THAT TIME MIGHT HAVE

38:33 - BEEN THE MALARIA. ALSO MIGHT

38:36 - HAVE BEEN THE DYSENTERY MIGHT

38:38 - HAVE BEEN CONTAMINATION OF THE

38:39 - WATER

38:42 - BASES. SEWAGE WAS GOING THE

38:43 - SAME ONE OF THE OFFICIAL

38:44 - BUCKETS TO TRENT CRUMP.

38:46 - SEE THE LAKES WERE ON SALT

38:49 - WATER. THEY HAD TO CARRY THE

38:51 - WATER ON SHIPS. VERY TIGHTLY

38:53 - RATIONED. HERE ARE THE LAKES.

38:55 - IT WAS JUST ON THE LIMITED

38:56 - SUPPLIES OF FRESH WATER OVER

38:58 - SIDE.

38:59 - BUT PROBABLY WERE SUBJECT TO

39:01 - SOME LEVEL OF CONTAMINATION AS

39:02 - WELL THAT NO KNOWLEDGE OF

39:03 - BACTERIA.

39:06 - SO WE HAD AS MANY AS A 3RD OF

39:08 - THE SQUAD ON THE SICK LIST.

39:09 - ANY TIME.

39:11 - PEOPLE ARE GRADUALLY GETTING

39:13 - ACCLIMATED TO IT. AND

39:14 - DEVELOPING SOME IMMUNITY

39:16 - BECAUSE THE SICK LIST WAS ONLY

39:18 - ABOUT MAY 15, 20% OF THE MEN

39:21 - BY THE BY THE DAY BEFORE THE

39:22 - BATTLE. BUT STILL.

39:24 - YOU KNOW, GREAT. YOU FELT THAT

39:26 - YOU HAD THE FLU HERE BACK TO

39:27 - WORK. THESE GUYS HAVE THESE

39:29 - TRASH FOR A WEEK OR 10 DAYS

39:31 - WITH FEVER AND STAGGER UP AND

39:33 - WORK FOR A WEEK OR 2 AND THEN

39:34 - MAYBE A CYCLE AROUND AGAIN.

39:37 - SO PRETTY PRETTY UNHEALTHY.

39:38 - PRETTY UNHAPPY GAME THAT WAY.

39:40 - WE HAVE ALL OF HER HAZARD.

39:41 - PERRY'S AMERICAN SQUADRON

39:43 - MOVING TOWARD BARCLAYS, BRITISH

39:45 - SQUADRON. TAKE US TO THE BATTLE

39:47 - OF LAKE ERIE. WELL, ACTUALLY,

39:49 - IT STARTED SO THE NIGHT BEFORE

39:50 - WHEN BARKLEY HOPING TO GET INTO

39:52 - THE ISLANDS AND MAYBE CATCH

39:53 - PERIOD ON AT ANCHOR WHERE HE

39:56 - COULD MAYBE SWARM ON BOARD

39:57 - BOARD SPORT BARKLEY HAD A LOT

40:00 - OF SOLDIERS AND MORE MEN THAN

40:02 - PERRY. AND SO HE WAS HOPING

40:04 - TO MAYBE KERRY ABORTING ACTION,

40:06 - BUT THE WIND WAS SO LIGHT HE

40:08 - DIDN'T GET THERE. HE SAILED

40:09 - OVERNIGHT BUT ONLY COVERED

40:10 - ABOUT HALF OF TO 30 MILES FROM

40:13 - DETROIT. HIS SHIPS ARE ABOUT 10

40:15 - MILES OFF UNDECIDED ON.

40:18 - PERRY'S GOT TO GET OUT OF THE

40:19 - ANCHORAGE PUT IN THE DAY WITH

40:22 - THE WIND DIRECTION AT THAT

40:23 - TIME, BARKLEY COULD SAIL ACROSS

40:26 - LIKE 90 DEGREES TO HIM. COME ON

40:28 - THE SIDE. YOU CAN SAIL COURSE

40:30 - AND MAINTAIN A STRAIGHT

40:31 - HEADING. MAYBE HE'S ONLY DOING

40:33 - 2 KNOTS, BUT THAT SOME THINGS

40:35 - IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. PERRY

40:37 - CAN'T YOU CAN'T SELL OUT

40:40 - DIRECTLY INTO THE WINDIEST

40:41 - ATTACK BACK AND FORTH,

40:44 - CRISSCROSSING. AND THE SHIPS

40:46 - ARE BLOCKING EACH OTHER'S WHEN

40:47 - THEY'RE BLOCKING EACH OTHER'S

40:48 - WAY. IT'S TAKEN 4 HOURS TO GET

40:51 - OUT OF THE HARBOR IS NOT OUT

40:52 - YET. AND HE SEES A PARK IS

40:55 - GETTING CLOSER FOR HOURS, EVEN

40:56 - INTO KNOTS FOR HOURS IS GOING

40:58 - TO BE 8 MILES. HE'S A 10 MILES

41:00 - AWAY AS WE GET TO MILES NOW.

41:03 - IT'S LIKE ANOTHER HALF HOUR IS

41:05 - GOING TO BE WITH THEM. I WAS

41:05 - GOING TO BE RANGE. I HAVE TO

41:07 - DO SOMETHING.

41:09 - SO PERRY DECIDES THAT HE WILL

41:10 - FIGHT THEM THAT DAY, EVEN IF HE

41:12 - HAS TO ACCEPT THE LEAGUE AGE

41:14 - DOWN, ONE'S POSITION. HE'S GOT

41:16 - TO GET A LINE SOMEHOW.

41:18 - AND IT GIVES THE ORDER TO GO

41:20 - DOWN WIND OF SNAKE ISLAND, THE

41:22 - OUTERMOST PART OF THE HARBOR.

41:24 - AND THAT WOULD BE A TIGHT SPOT

41:26 - BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF HARD UP

41:27 - AGAINST A LAND. AND THERE ISN'T

41:29 - MUCH ROOM TO MANEUVER.

41:37 - BECAUSE THE WIND I WAS JUST

41:38 - THEN POOF, GONE COMPLETELY

41:41 - SHE'S SET. SALES FLAT. 5.10,

41:45 - MINUTES LATER COMES BACK.

41:47 - COMES BACK FROM 90 DEGREES.

41:48 - DIFFERENT FROM THE SOUTHEAST.

41:49 - NOW HE'S GOT THE WIND BEHIND

41:50 - HIM. WE'LL SHOW HARBOR RIGHT

41:53 - OVER TO THE BRITISH BARKLEY

41:54 - HAS A WINS FACE. HE HAS TO.

41:58 - FALL OFF ON ONE TAC OR THE

41:59 - OTHER. HE CHOOSES TO GO OFF ON

42:02 - THE POOR TACK HEADING WEST

42:04 - BECAUSE THE 30 MILES PER HOUR

42:05 - AND THAT ROOM THAT ONE. AND SO

42:07 - NOW BECOME SORT OF AN

42:08 - OVERTAKING SITUATION BECAUSE

42:10 - EVEN THOUGH BARKLEY. HE WANTS

42:13 - TO GET THIS OVER WITH

42:16 - BUT HIS SHIPS ARE GOING TO FORM

42:17 - A COMPAQ LINE.

42:19 - AND IN ORDER TO HAVE ANY

42:20 - STEERING CONTROL, ALL YOU HAVE

42:22 - TO HAVE SOME WATER MOVING PAST

42:23 - THE RIDER. SO HE'S MANEUVERING

42:25 - HIS SHIPS TO SAIL SLOWLY.

42:27 - BUT I GOT TO DO. BUT I'M NOT.

42:29 - AND SO THEY'RE DOING NOT AWAY

42:31 - FROM IT. AND PERRY'S OVER

42:32 - TAKING MAYBE 2 OR 3. SO THE

42:35 - NET DIFFERENCE. IT MAY BE ABOUT

42:38 - TO.

42:40 - THE 3 NOT BREEZE PATIENTS,

42:42 - MAZEN, 3 KNOTS.

42:44 - BARCLAYS DO WANT TO WASTE.

42:45 - IT TAKES ABOUT 2 HOURS. TO

42:47 - CLOSE THE RANGE.

42:49 - AND IN THIS LONG STERN CHASE,

42:52 - IT'S CALLED FROM THE STERN.

42:53 - HE SAYS TRY TO CATCH UP AN

42:55 - OVERHAUL. BARCLAYS LINE.

42:58 - PERRY'S GOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE

42:59 - IS SO SUCH DIFFERENT SAILING

43:01 - ABILITIES AMONG THE SHIPS.

43:04 - A COUPLE OF THE SCHOONERS WERE

43:06 - BUILT TO BE FAST. SHIPS ARE

43:08 - BILL SHARP HALLS. PROPORTIONS

43:10 - OF BIG THEY'RE PRETTY QUICK,

43:12 - BUT OTHERS WERE CONVERGING

43:14 - MERCHANT VESSELS EMPHASIZING

43:15 - CARRYING CAPACITY CARGO

43:18 - CAPACITY THERE. HEAVY HALLS.

43:20 - THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE PRETTY

43:22 - BLOCK FOR NOT FAST SHIPS.

43:24 - AND A LIGHT THEIR DAY LIKE THIS

43:26 - WITH LIGHT WINDS SUMMER DAY.

43:29 - VERY OFTEN THE WIND ALOFT IS

43:30 - MUCH, MUCH STRONGER. THE WIND

43:32 - AT THE SURFACE LEVEL.

43:34 - SO THE THE NIGHT AND ALARMS AND

43:37 - THESE TALL RIGS AND THEY CAN

43:39 - CATCH A FAIR AMOUNT OF WIND IN

43:41 - THE UPPER SALES. BUT THE SMALL

43:43 - MUSCLES WAS MAYBE ONLY 50, 60

43:45 - FEET OFF THE WATER. WE'VE GOT

43:47 - MUCH LESS WIND. SO THE

43:48 - PRACTICAL EFFECT IS THAT

43:50 - PERRY'S LINES GETTING HORRIBLY

43:52 - STRONG. NOW, 4 OF ITS VESSELS

43:54 - THAT HAVE VERY HEAVY GUNS ON

43:55 - THEM BECAUSE IS SO ROOM ON

43:57 - THESE GUNBOATS, WE'RE GOING TO

43:59 - CARRY ONE GUN, THIS ORDER ROOM

44:00 - FOR. LET'S MAKE IT AS HEAVY

44:03 - AS WE CAN CARRY JUST PHYSICAL

44:05 - SHAPE. SOME PERRY HAS SOME 24

44:07 - POUNDS LONG GUNS IS 32 POUND

44:09 - LONG GUNS WHICH ARE MORE SHOP.

44:12 - BUT HE'S GOT THEM ON VESSELS

44:13 - ARE MORE THAN 2 MILES US TURNED

44:15 - AROUND A RANGE. THEY HAVEN'T

44:17 - CLOSED OUT.

44:19 - AND SO WHEN HE GETS WITHIN

44:21 - RANGE IS A TROY, IT. HAS A LOT

44:24 - OF LONG GUNS WHICH ARE MIX

44:26 - CALIBERS, BUT 18 24 POUNDS.

44:29 - AND SO INITIALLY, EVEN THOUGH

44:31 - ON A SQUADRON BASES, HE'S NOW

44:34 - GONE.

44:36 - RIGHT IN THIS IN THIS WORK

44:37 - COUNTS SHIP TO SHIP WHO THESE

44:39 - 2 SHIPS CLOSE AGAIN, THE

44:41 - BRITISH HAVE A TEMPORARY

44:43 - ADVANTAGE HERE. AND PIERRE

44:45 - REALIZES THAT WITH THE THE WAY

44:48 - THESE SHIPS ARE CONVERGING

44:49 - SLOWLY THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE

44:52 - TO LAW. HE'S BEEN A REALLY SHOT

44:54 - UP.

44:55 - AND SO WE HAS ESTIMATED CHOICE

44:57 - HAS 2 CHOICES

44:59 - WE CAN EITHER. AND WHAT MOST

45:01 - COMMANDERS WERE DONE ALMOST

45:02 - CERTAINLY WITH CHAUNCEY WOODEN

45:03 - IS WOULD HAVE HAULED TO

45:05 - WINDWARD OPEN THE RANGE OUT

45:10 - WOULD MAYBE TACK BACK.

45:13 - TURNED AROUND SAIL BACK TO THE

45:15 - GUN, THOUGH, SAY PAST WHAT

45:16 - WHOLE LOT TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE

45:18 - HIS STRENGTH. SO YOU CAN

45:20 - CONCENTRATE ITS FIRE POWER

45:21 - LATER IN THE DAY. THE OTHER

45:24 - CHOICE HE TAKES. IS A VERY,

45:26 - VERY RISKY ONE.

45:28 - AND THAT'S TO MAKE IT DOWN WHEN

45:30 - RIGHT TURN. AND TO SAIL RIGHT

45:33 - AT HIM. HE'S GOT THE WIND

45:35 - BEHIND THEM. DOLLARS ON AND

45:37 - RUNNING HERE.

45:39 - IS SUBJECTING HIMSELF TO RAKING

45:41 - FIRE WHERE THEY CAN FIRE DOWN

45:43 - THE LENGTH OF HIS DECK AND YOU

45:44 - CAN'T SHOOT BACK.

45:46 - BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IF I CAN

45:48 - JUST CLOSE, IF I CAN NOT GET

45:50 - HIT TOO BADLY, IF I CAN ENDURE

45:52 - THIS FOR LIKE 15, 20 MINUTES,

45:54 - WE'LL GET INTO RANGE WHERE THE

45:56 - SHORT KAREN AIDS, WHICH PRO

45:59 - 32 POUND BALL, BUT ONLY ABOUT A

46:01 - HALF MILE. BUT WE CAN GET DOWN

46:03 - THERE CLOSE ENOUGH TO USE MY

46:05 - KAREN AIDS. I'VE GOT HIM.

46:08 - THAT'S SUCH HEAVY FIRE POWER

46:10 - AND THE SHORING BATTERY.

46:11 - THE WE'RE GOING TO CLOBBER THEM

46:13 - AND THAT'S HIS THINKING.

46:16 - ANY PROCEEDS OR THAT TURN?

46:19 - AND THE 2 SMALL FAST SCHOONERS

46:21 - THERE ON THE SCORPION GOING

46:23 - WITH THEM.

46:24 - THE BRING CALEDONIA IS FAIRLY

46:26 - SLOW, BUT SHE GOES WITH THEM

46:28 - AND STARTS THE DOW AND THE

46:30 - NEWER. AND THEN AGRIBUSINESS

46:34 - NAGRA HANGS BACK.

46:35 - WE VERY DELIBERATELY. SO HE'S

46:37 - EVEN BACKED HIS TOP SOUL TO BE

46:39 - TO CATCH WIND AND PUT THE

46:41 - BRAKES ON.

46:43 - AND SO CAPTAIN THAT GOOD TO NOT

46:45 - BACK HIM UP. WELL, WHY IS THIS?

46:49 - JESSE DUNCAN ELLIOTT HAVE BEEN

46:51 - DECORATED FOR HEROISM IN

46:52 - ACTION. THE FLOOR. IT'S NOT

46:54 - TOO LIKELY.

46:56 - AND I DON'T THINK YOU LOST HIS

46:58 - NERVE. I THINK I THINK HE JUDGE

47:02 - THE PERRY WAS MAKING A

47:03 - CATASTROPHIC MISTAKE.

47:05 - I WAS ABOUT TO FALL INTO IT.

47:07 - I THINK THIS WAS

47:07 - INSUBORDINATION RATHER THAN

47:10 - COWARDICE. AND IT TO HIM.

47:17 - SO WHAT HAPPENS PERRY GETS DOWN

47:19 - THERE. HE CLOSES THE RANGE.

47:23 - AND I BELIEVE THE WINDOWS DOT.

47:25 - I THINK WE'RE JUST THE ELLIOT

47:27 - IS THINKING IS WHAT HAPPENS.

47:28 - IT SAYS THAT AFTERNOON. NOW,

47:30 - HOT DAY, THE WIND IS DYING AND

47:33 - HE FEELS IS PROBABLY IS

47:34 - LESSENING AND PROBABLY ELLIOTT

47:37 - IS THE SCENE AND WILL RECOGNIZE

47:39 - THAT. AND PERRY TUESDAY, THE

47:41 - THINKING A LITTLE WAS THAT.

47:43 - THIS BREEZE, IT'S GUY FOR A

47:46 - FEW HOURS AND THE EARLY

47:48 - AFTERNOON HOTTEST PART OF THE

47:49 - DAY. AND IF I GET DOWN THERE

47:51 - AND IF I GET HALFWAY IN.

47:53 - AND THE WIND SALON, GRANGE,

47:56 - WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? YES,

47:58 - SHOT THE BOY SPLINTERS.

48:00 - USE THE SWEEPS THE YOURS, BUT

48:02 - THAT'S PRETTY SLOW. PRETTY

48:03 - CUMBERSOME IT'S.

48:08 - THAT'S THAT'S THE REAL RISK

48:09 - PERRY IS TAKING. IS THAT TRYING

48:11 - TO ADVANCE ON WHEN THE WINDS

48:13 - DYING AT THE SAME TIME PERRY

48:16 - GETS THERE, HE GETS THERE IN

48:17 - TIME BEFORE THE WIND DIES.

48:18 - HE GETS INTO SHORT RANGE.

48:20 - SHE'S ABLE TO FIGHT THE DETROIT

48:21 - WITH KAREN AIDS. SO IF ELLIOTT

48:23 - HAD GONE IN AND SUPPORT HIS

48:25 - COMMANDER.

48:26 - I THINK THE NAG OR GOT THERE

48:28 - TOO. AND THE BATTLE OVER AND

48:29 - OVER HALF THE TIME WE HAVE FOR

48:30 - LOSSES. BECAUSE NEITHER THE

48:33 - LAWRENCE TOGETHER HAD THIS

48:35 - MASSIVE FIREPOWER OF KAREN AGE.

48:37 - 32 POUND KAREN AIDS.

48:39 - BUT AS IT IS, AND AGRA IS

48:40 - HANGING BACK AT THE EXTREME

48:42 - LIMIT OF LONG GUN RANGE ABOUT

48:43 - A MILE. SO HE'S WON 12 POUNDER.

48:46 - THERE'S 2.12 POUNDERS TO 12.

48:48 - HOW LONG GUNS? WELL, YOU COULD

48:50 - SAY THAT HE WAS ENGAGED THE

48:51 - WHOLE TIME.

48:52 - BUT HIS FIRING A SHOT NOW AND

48:53 - THEN THE EXTREME LIMIT OF RANGE

48:55 - AND MAYBE SOME ARE HITTING THE

48:56 - MOST AREN'T. AND SO THE

48:59 - MEANTIME, THE QUEEN CHARLOTTE.

49:01 - SEASON THAT I WAS TOO FAR AWAY

49:03 - FOR HER TO HIT. SO SHE CLOSE

49:05 - UP FOR THE DETROIT. THE

49:07 - SUPPORTER COMMANDER.

49:10 - AND SO THE THE CREAM, CHARLOTTE

49:12 - AND DETROIT BETWEEN THE 2 OF

49:13 - THEM. NOW HAVE QUITE A BIT OF

49:15 - FIRE POWER OVER THE LONG ARMS.

49:18 - AND SO EVEN THOUGH PERRY HAS A

49:19 - STRONGER SQUADRON, EVEN THOUGH

49:21 - HE HAS MORE FIREPOWER, HIS

49:23 - DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH.

49:25 - THAT HE'S PUT HIMSELF. HE'S

49:26 - JUMPED IN A YOU CAN SELL MOST

49:30 - RASHLY AND TO THE FRONT OF THIS

49:32 - ACTION.

49:33 - AND HE'S AT HIS COMMANDER, HIS

49:35 - SECOND IN COMMAND TO NOT

49:37 - SUPPORT HIM. AND SO NOW HE'S IN

49:38 - A POSITION WHERE HE IS FACING

49:41 - THE FIREPOWER OF LOCAL FIRE

49:43 - POWER OF 2. THE 2 VESSELS LAST

49:47 - TURNING INTO A SLAUGHTERHOUSE.

49:49 - BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SHOT AT

49:52 - TURNING INTO A SHATTERED RACK.

49:54 - AND THE MEN ARE JUST GETTING

49:56 - WIPED OUT. 2 SPLENDOR DAMAGE

49:58 - TO DISMEMBERMENT.

50:01 - A NAVAL BATTLE LIKE THIS.

50:03 - IT RANGES OF 100 TO 200 YARDS.

50:05 - THIS IS CAN'T MISS RAIN JUST

50:07 - LIKE HERE. THE FAR WALL OF

50:08 - BUILDING.

50:09 - AND HERE GOT TIGHTLY PACKED

50:11 - MASSES OF MEN, WOODEN

50:13 - STRUCTURE. CAN'T MISS RANGE.

50:15 - YOU HAVE PRETTY HIGH, BUT YOUR

50:16 - BILL.

50:17 - WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT THE STORY

50:19 - IS THE COURAGE OF THE LAWRENCES

50:21 - CREW. MOST OF THE TIME OF WHEN

50:23 - THESE NAPOLEONIC ERA NAVAL

50:25 - BATTLES, IT WAS A ROUGH SET OF

50:27 - STATISTICS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE

50:29 - ENGAGED. AND THE LOSSES.

50:34 - BATTLE AFTER BATTLE AFTER

50:35 - BATTLE, HE GET SOMEWHERE IN THE

50:36 - UPPER 20'S, LOW 30'S. YOU GET

50:38 - ABOUT A 3RD OF THE CREW

50:39 - BLEEDING FROM SOMEWHERE.

50:41 - AND THERE ARE SOME GIVE UP

50:42 - THIS. IT START TO LOOK

50:43 - HOPELESS. YOUR RATE OF FIRE IS

50:45 - GOING DOWN YOUR ABILITY TO TO

50:47 - DO DO A DAMAGE IS GOING DOWN

50:49 - AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT THAT

50:51 - CASUALTIES UP TO ABOUT A 3RD

50:54 - THAT WOULD BE WHERE CREW WOULD

50:55 - DEMAND TO STRIKE THEIR COLORS

50:57 - TO SURRENDER. AND IT WAS NOT

50:59 - CONSIDERED DISARM WILL TO DO

51:00 - SO. IF YOU TRIED HARD, YOU DO

51:01 - YOUR BEST YOU TO THE BEATING

51:03 - AND THIS ISN'T GOING WELL AND

51:05 - NO PACK IT IN BEFORE YOU JUST

51:07 - EVERYBODY'S DEAD. ON THE

51:08 - LAWRENCE. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

51:10 - THE LAWRENCE A FIGHT. FOR 2

51:12 - HOURS. THEY ONLY HAD 103 LIST

51:16 - IS EFFECTIVE IN THE CREW THAT

51:17 - MORNING WITH THE SICK LIST.

51:18 - NOW WE DO HOW MANY THIS

51:19 - AGREEMENT ON BOARD SOME OF THE

51:22 - REALLY SICK WERE KEPT. THE

51:23 - SHORT PUT IN THE INTENSE.

51:25 - BUT SOME OF THE SEC ON BOARD,

51:27 - THEY MIGHT DRAG THEMSELVES UP

51:28 - TO HELP.

51:29 - SO OUT OF 103 OUT OF 135 IN THE

51:32 - CRUELEST, THERE'S MAYBE 11520

51:36 - FOUGHT THAT

51:38 - WELL, AT THE END OF 2 HOURS,

51:40 - THERE'S 61 DEAD OR 61 WOUNDED.

51:42 - AND 2.22, DEAD AND 16 WOUNDED.

51:46 - THAT'S 83. 100 SMALL CHANGE.

51:50 - THAT'S A WHOPPING COUNCIL TO

51:51 - ASSESS OVER 70%. AND THIS CREWS

51:55 - NOT PACKED IN. THEY'RE STILL

51:57 - STANDING BY THEIR COMMANDER.

51:59 - BUT THEN PERRY IS OUT OF

52:01 - OPTIONS BECAUSE HE'S GOT ALMOST

52:03 - NO WIND TO MOVE.

52:06 - IS RINGING IS SHOT TO PIECES.

52:07 - THE MASK HAVEN'T FALLEN OVER

52:08 - SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S SO LITTLE

52:10 - ROCK AND ROLL MOTION IS NOTHING

52:11 - THEY CAN FALL OVER THE MASTER

52:13 - SPLINTERED. ALL RINGS. CUT

52:14 - AWAY. THIS 200 SPLENDOR HOLES

52:17 - IN THE U.S. BANK OR SALE.

52:19 - HIS LAST GUN ON THE STARBOARD

52:21 - SIDE GETS KNOCKED OUT OF ACTION

52:23 - TO 30 IN THE AFTERNOON. HE HAS

52:25 - NOTHING HE CAN FIGHT WITH.

52:27 - WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO?

52:32 - ONE STUDENT?

52:35 - DOES NOT THINK ABOUT A LAW.

52:38 - BECAUSE THESE PHENOMENA LUCKY.

52:40 - BRAVE. YES, CURRENTLY BRAVE.

52:43 - BUT LUCKY BECAUSE THE WIND

52:44 - COMES BACK FROM THE SOUTHEAST

52:47 - AND THIS LIST BREEZE COMES

52:48 - RUSHING IN.

52:50 - AND BUILD STRONGER THAN IT WAS

52:51 - BEFORE BLOWS THE SMOKE AWAY.

52:53 - AND THE BRITISH SHIP START

52:54 - MOVING WITH THE BREEZE.

52:55 - LAWRENCE IS SO BADLY DAMAGE

52:57 - TO SPAWN SO LAST AND SO SHE'S

52:59 - DROPPING BACK. THE RAIN STARTS

53:02 - OPENING OUT. EVERYBODY IS JUST

53:03 - TRYING CATCH YOUR BREATH AND

53:04 - FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

53:06 - THERE'S VERY LITTLE VISIBILITY

53:07 - FOR A WHILE BECAUSE OF THE PARK

53:09 - POWER SMOKING THIS DENSE

53:12 - ATMOSPHERES IT'S BEEN PRETTY

53:14 - HARD TO SAFER BET. AND THEN

53:17 - JUST THEN.

53:20 - PERRY LOOKS AROUND THE SEASON

53:21 - EITHER SELLING PAST.

53:24 - HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING

53:25 - TO DO NEXT. YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN

53:26 - USELESS SO FAR. AS WE DETERMINE

53:28 - TO TRANSFER.

53:31 - WE NEED TO GET LUCKY HERE.

53:33 - BECAUSE HE STILL HAS BOTH THAT

53:34 - USABLE.

53:36 - OTHER SHIPS OR BOATS OR SO SHOT

53:37 - UP THE CAN BOATS AFTERWARDS.

53:40 - BUT HE'S STILL GOT A BOAT THAT

53:41 - EVEN THOSE GOT A HOLE IN IT.

53:43 - IT'S STILL USABLE BEEN TELLING

53:45 - ALONGSIDE OF THE OUT PORT SIDE.

53:47 - AND SO HE JUMPS IN THE 4 MEN.

53:50 - THEY ROLL LIKE HELL TO GET OVER

53:51 - THE NIAGARA CONGRESS CARING

53:53 - SETTING MORE SALE. SHE IS

53:55 - MOVING QUICKLY AND THESE PEOPLE

53:56 - HAVE TO GO LIKE HELL TO CATCH

53:58 - UP. WE ALSO LIKE HELL BECAUSE

54:00 - THE BRITISH FIGURE OUT WHAT'S

54:01 - GOING ON. THE SHIP FIRE THE

54:02 - BOAT. EVERYBODY IN THE BOWS

54:05 - TRENCH WITH A SPLASH IN NEARBY

54:06 - MISSES. BUT PERRY MAKES OVER.

54:11 - NOW. HE DIDN'T MAKE IT OVER.

54:14 - THANKS FOR SECOND. WHAT'S HIS

54:15 - PLACE IN HISTORY

54:18 - BRASH YOUNG COMMANDER IN

54:20 - PICTURES, LEE JUMPS AND THE

54:21 - HEAD OF THE REST OF THE

54:22 - SQUADRON GETS HIS MEN

54:23 - SLAUGHTERED PANICS. FLEAS IS

54:26 - SHIPPED TO SAVE HIS OWN SKIN

54:28 - AND DIES AND DISGRACE FLEEING

54:30 - THE SCENE. A SMALL BOAT TRY

54:32 - SAME SELF. LET'S LOOK LIKE.

54:36 - BUT IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

54:38 - BECAUSE THE RISE IN THE

54:39 - AGGREGATE, SOME BOARD, WE DON'T

54:41 - KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT SAID

54:43 - BETWEEN HIM AND ELLIOTT.

54:45 - BUT IN THE ELIOT VOLUNTEERS,

54:47 - TOO, GO BRING UP THE LYING ON

54:49 - BOATS. ABSOLUTELY. SUPER FOR

54:51 - SATURN. THIS IS SOUTHEAST WINDS

54:53 - WILL REACH THEM FIRST. WE'RE

54:55 - MOVING ALONG AND THEY'RE

54:56 - ALREADY CLOSING UP AND THEY'RE

54:57 - ALREADY IN RANGE. BUT I THINK

54:59 - ELIOT JUST DOESN'T WANT TO BE

55:00 - IN THE SAME DECK WITH PERRY.

55:02 - AND THIS EMBARRASSING

55:03 - SITUATION. SO REALLY IT GOES

55:05 - OFF IN THE BOAT. AND PERRY THEN

55:07 - ORDERS ANOTHER DOWNWIND, RIGHT?

55:09 - TURN. BUT THIS TIME IT'S WITH

55:12 - A SHIP THAT IS ALMOST AND

55:14 - DAMAGED A GUNSHIP SERVE AS A

55:15 - VERY BADLY DAMAGED. THE SALES

55:18 - ACROSS THE BRITISH LINE RIGHT

55:19 - ACROSS THE BOW AND JUST POURS A

55:21 - DOUBLE SHOT, A BROADSIDE DOWN

55:23 - THEIR DEC. THAT'S A A BAG GRAPE

55:25 - ON TOP OF THE BALL.

55:27 - AND SO THE SPACE ABOUT MAYBE 6,

55:29 - 8 SECONDS OVER 600 POUNDS OF

55:31 - HOT METAL GO ROARING DOWN THEIR

55:34 - AND AT THIS TIME, THE QUEEN

55:35 - CHARLOTTE AND DETROIT HAVE THE

55:37 - CATASTROPHE OF HAVING A

55:38 - COLLISION. THE DETROIT SEASON

55:40 - AG RECOVERING WANTS TO TURN

55:41 - AWAY

55:42 - AND BOTH SHIPS ARE SO BADLY

55:44 - DAMAGED ALOFT IN THE RIGGING,

55:45 - THE NOT VERY MANEUVERABLE AND

55:47 - THE QUEEN. CHARLOTTE ENDS UP

55:48 - RUNNING UP AND RUNNING ABOUT

55:50 - SPREAD INTO THE DETROIT'S

55:51 - RIGGING. WELL, IT IS A MASTER.

55:53 - THE LOCK. THEY CAN'T MOVE OR

55:56 - THAT BOTH HELPLESS OF THE

55:57 - BREAK, BUT THE SAME ROADSIDE

55:59 - AND PERRY THEN ROUNDS UP, PUTS

56:01 - THE SALES OF BACK TO STOP THE

56:02 - SHIP.

56:04 - POURS IN ONE MORE BROAD SIDE

56:05 - AND THEN THE PACT AND THEN THEY

56:06 - DECIDE IS HOPELESS.

56:08 - THE SURROUNDING THE SHIP SAID

56:09 - THE GUN BOATS HAVE COME UP.

56:10 - THEY CAN GET FROM THEM. AND

56:12 - THEN THEY SURRENDER. SO THE

56:14 - ONLY HERE IS OVER AND ABOUT 15

56:17 - MINUTES AFTER PERRY TRANSFERS.

56:20 - AFTER 3 HOURS.

56:23 - PERRY'S VICTORY IS LOUD AND

56:24 - THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAN STATES.

56:26 - HOW DO YOU THINK THIS BATTLE

56:28 - SHOULD BE REMEMBERED? WELL,

56:30 - IT IS. IT IS A GREAT VICTORIES

56:31 - ARE DRAMATIC STORY OF. OF

56:35 - PERRY.

56:37 - YOU KNOW, BUILDING A SQUADRON

56:38 - UNDER SOME ADVERSE

56:39 - CIRCUMSTANCES. HE WAS IT'S NOT

56:43 - A DAVID AND GOLIATH STORY THAT

56:45 - WE DID HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF

56:46 - THE DAY AND HE JUST CHOSE THE

56:50 - WAY HE HANDLED THE BATTLE WAS

56:52 - MAYBE NOT EXACTLY BRILLIANT AND

56:54 - THE WAY ELLIOTT SUPPORTED HIM

56:56 - WAS, I THINK TREASONOUS WAR

56:58 - TO BE THAT INSUBORDINATE.

57:00 - SO.

57:01 - IT DIDN'T IT IN AND BEGIN VERY

57:04 - WELL FOR US. AND AND FIGHTING

57:06 - THE BRITISH SQUADRON, WHICH

57:08 - WITH THE AVENGERS PERRY HAD,

57:10 - HE ALMOST MANAGED

57:12 - AS A TEDDY ROOSEVELT SAID MEN'S

57:14 - TOO. SNATCHED DEFEAT FROM THE

57:16 - JAWS OF VICTORY. BUT IN POINT

57:19 - OF FACT, THE FIGHT ON THE

57:21 - LAWRENCE IS WHAT?

57:23 - WELL KIND OF MADE THIS BATTLE

57:25 - SUCH A HEROIC STORY. THE FACT

57:27 - THAT THAT CREW ENDURED. TO THE

57:29 - VERY END SUCH A FANTASTIC

57:31 - CASUALTY RATE STAYED IN THE

57:32 - FIGHT. AND THEN THE FACT THE

57:35 - VICTORY WAS SO TOTAL. YOU

57:37 - CAPTURED EVERY SINGLE SHOT.

57:39 - SO REALLY THE MOTTO THAT HE

57:42 - TOOK FOR THE LAWRENCE WAS THE

57:44 - DYING WORDS OF JAMES LAWRENCE

57:46 - WHEN HIS SHIP, THE CHESAPEAKE

57:47 - WAS BEING SURRENDERED BY SCREW

57:49 - THE BRITISH. HE SAID DON'T GIVE

57:50 - UP THE SHIP. HE HIMSELF WAS

57:52 - MORTALLY WOUNDED. THAT WAS THE

57:54 - ONLY THINGS THAT SALVAGE FROM

57:55 - THAT THAT DEFEAT WAS THE

57:57 - COURAGE OF THE COMMANDER AND

57:58 - HIS EXHORTATION. DON'T GIVE

57:59 - A SHIT. SO PERRY TAKES AS MODEL

58:02 - FLAG. WELL, THE ONLY WAY TO

58:05 - GIVE UP THE HILL AND WIN THE

58:07 - BATTLES, GIVE UP THE SHIP.

58:09 - GO THE NEXT ONE. BUT THE REAL

58:10 - MOTTO, HIS. DON'T GIVE UP.

58:14 - AND THAT'S WHAT KERRY'S FROM

58:15 - THIS BATTLE. AND THAT'S WHY

58:17 - ONE.

58:20 - IT WAS A DOGGED DETERMINATION.

58:25 - TAKE ADVANTAGE VERY BREAK,

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