PA Commonwealth Court En Banc Session 05/14/20
00:01 - >>GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO
00:01 - COMMONWEALTH COURT THE
00:03 - HONORABLE JUDGE IS OF THE
00:04 - COMMONWEALTH COURT OF
00:04 - PENNSYLVANIA. OH YEAH, OH YEAH,
00:07 - OH YEAH,
00:08 - ALL PERSONS HAVING BUSINESS
00:09 - BEFORE THE COUPLE PENNSYLVANIA
00:11 - SHALL DRAW NEAR AND GIVE THEIR
00:12 - ATTENTION FOR THE COURT IS NOW
00:13 - SITTING. GOD SAVE THE
00:15 - COMMONWEALTH IN THIS HONORABLE
00:16 - COURT. THE HONORABLE PRESTON
00:18 - JUDGE MARY HAD 11 PRESIDING.
00:23 - >>AND WELCOME TO THE
00:24 - COMMONWEALTH COURT.
00:26 - >>ON FASHION.
00:30 - >>SHAE IS A LOT OF 15 MINUTES
00:33 - FOR ARGUMENT. THE APPELLANT IS
00:36 - PERMITTED
00:38 - REPAIR SOME OF
00:39 - THAT 15 MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL
00:41 - THERE IS NO SUCH OPPORTUNITY
00:44 - GIVEN TO THE APPLE II.
00:48 - WE HAVE READ THE BREEZE WE'RE
00:49 - READY TO GO. WE'RE
00:52 - GOING TO.
00:53 - >>MAKES.
00:55 - >>IT'S A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD
00:56 - OPERATING
00:58 - AND VIRTUAL TIME AND BETTER
01:01 - REAL TIME.
01:04 - >>I ASK FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND
01:06 - IF YOU SEE
01:07 - A JUDGE PUT UP A FINGER THAT
01:09 - PROBABLY TAKE NOTE THAT THE
01:11 - JUDGE WOULD LIKE YOU THAT I
01:12 - LIKE TO ASK
01:13 - YOUR QUESTION. I WOULD THAT WE
01:16 - CALL NUMBER 58 WHICH IS CITY
01:18 - OF ERIE. FIRST IS THE GENERAL
01:21 - CHANGE OR LOCAL UNION NUMBER
01:23 - 3.97.
01:27 - >>MAY IT PLEASE
01:28 - THE COURT. MY NAME IS ERNEST
01:30 - MOORE SAID HE AND I REPRESENT
01:31 - REAL TEAMSTERS LOCAL 307.
01:34 - I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE 3
01:37 - TELLING I FOR REBUTTAL.
01:43 - THE HOTEL.
01:49 - IT FEELS LIKE TO
01:50 - SAY THAT.
01:51 - >>SHE THIS CASE. IS THAT
01:54 - THE ARBITRATOR CAN FIND
01:56 - HIMSELF. REASONS FOR
02:00 - THAT CHARGE THE STATE IN THE
02:02 - DISCHARGE LETTER.
02:03 - >>IN FACT OWNED THAT.
02:06 - >>THERE WAS NO GRAINS. THE
02:08 - TRUCK.
02:13 - BASED ON THE REASONS SET FORTH
02:14 - IN THE DISTRICT FIRE.
02:18 - COMMON PLEAS COURT IN THE COLD
02:20 - QUICK PANEL
02:22 - UNFORTUNATELY DEVIATED FROM
02:25 - DISCHARGE LETTER HAS SHOWN
02:26 - OTHER REASONS TO FIRE LIST.
02:29 - MISTER PERCH. AND THAT'S
02:32 - I WAITED THE NARROW SCOPE TO
02:34 - SHOW YOU ENTER AT OCEAN IS TO
02:37 - PROCESS RIGHTS. HE RETAINED BY
02:39 - THE CITY 14TH AMENDMENTS
02:41 - BECAUSE ATTENTION. HE WAS NOT
02:43 - GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND
02:45 - TO THOSE REASONS THAT THE
02:46 - COURTS DECIDED WAS THE BASIS
02:48 - FOR HIS DISCHARGE.
02:50 - HE WAS INITIALLY TOLD WHY HE
02:52 - WAS THEIR MONEY. HE WAS GIVEN A
02:54 - REAL HEARING. ID CITY
02:57 - OF DERRY. THE I JUST SAID E
03:00 - THIS I.
03:02 - >>AND LOOKING AT
03:03 - THE ART. TRADERS DECISIONS
03:06 - UNDER THE SECTION TITLED
03:07 - DECISION AND FINDINGS.
03:09 - IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING WHAT
03:11 - THE ARBITRATOR SAYING AND YOU
03:13 - KEEP.
03:15 - >>YOUR POSITION IS THAT IT'S
03:17 - CLEAR WHAT HE SAYS HE SAID, BUT
03:19 - IF YOU LOOK AT THE ISSUES
03:21 - DECISION. SHE SAYS THAT HE WAS
03:23 - OR MAY NOT BE GETTING TO WORK
03:25 - NUMBER ONE AND FOR NOT
03:27 - PERSONALLY CONTACTING THIS
03:29 - CITY.
03:31 - FOR WHICH IS REASON BEING
03:32 - INCARCERATED ISN'T AN ADEQUATE
03:35 - EXCUSE SO IT'S REALLY TWOFOLD
03:37 - OF BOOKS NEAR MAYBE 3 FALL.
03:40 - AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT
03:42 - YOU WANT US TO NOT LOOK AT THE
03:45 - ARBITRATORS LANGUAGE. IN THESE
03:48 - HE KNEW ABOUT THAT.
03:50 - RATHER IT ALMOST LIKE MORE HIS
03:52 - WHOLE IT'S TOO EARLY SHUN
03:54 - ABOUT. WHAT IS SHOULD CALL HIM
03:56 - BACK
03:56 - TO WORK. AFTER YOU SIGN WITH
03:59 - THE REUSING THEM FOR NEXT
04:00 - TUESDAY GOES WRONG ON THIS
04:01 - WITCH HUNT.
04:03 - I'M SURE HE MAKES A CONCLUSION
04:05 - THERE.
04:06 - BUT ISSUE ONLY YOUR ARGUMENT IS
04:09 - THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE
04:11 - RECEIVING AT EVERY CHANGE OF
04:12 - SOUND. WHERE
04:14 - THE TERMINATE NATION CAN YOU
04:16 - STATE WHAT YOU THINK THAT ONE
04:18 - REASON WAS. SO YOU'RE UNDER.
04:24 - SO THE HR DIRECTOR, THE PERSON
04:25 - WHO SENT THAT LETTER.
04:27 - >>TO THE GRIEVING. ADMITTED
04:30 - QUESTIONS AND THE NATION
04:31 - THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER
04:33 - SHE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO
04:34 - COME BACK TO WORK BECAUSE SHE
04:35 - DIDN'T THE THAT THE THE
04:38 - DECISION TO SEND THAT LETTER TO
04:40 - THEY AGREE THAT. CAME FROM THE
04:43 - LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THE
04:45 - ARBITRATOR RELY. AND EXPRESSED
04:48 - IN HIS DECISION THAT IT IS
04:51 - WELL.
04:54 - DISCHARGE WAS BOGUS THE REASON.
04:58 - THEY SENT THE LETTER IN THE
04:59 - FIRST PLACE WHILE THE MAIN
05:01 - STILL IN DISCHARGE STATUS THEY
05:03 - HAD REINSTATED FROM THE START.
05:06 - THERE'S JUST A I WAIT TO
05:08 - TERMINATE HIS EMPLOYMENT.
05:11 - IT HE CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS
05:14 - STATED IN THERE.
05:16 - >>CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WHAT IS
05:17 - THE REASON.
05:19 - WHAT IS YOUR DECISION AS TO THE
05:20 - REASON THE ARBITRATOR FOUND
05:23 - THAT THE EMPLOYEE WAS
05:24 - TERMINATED. ENTERTAINERS STATED
05:27 - THAT.
05:29 - >>THE STATED REASON FOR HIS
05:31 - DISCHARGE WHICH ISN'T JUST
05:33 - RIGHT LEG. HE DID NOT GIVE AN
05:35 - ADEQUATE. YOU ADEQUATELY
05:37 - RESPOND OR AND DURING THE
05:38 - GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE, THE
05:39 - TESTIMONY WAS IN THE HISTORY AT
05:42 - YOUR INTEREST IN HEARING WHICH
05:43 - YOU DON'T HAVE BECAUSE YOU WERE
05:45 - PRESIDENT WAS
05:47 - THAT SHE DIDN'T RESPOND
05:48 - PERSONALLY BUT RATHER RESPONDED
05:50 - THROUGH HE IS
05:52 - YES ACTUAL ADEQUATE RESPONSE TO
05:56 - THIS MATTERS FOR DISCHARGE.
05:58 - >>OKAY BUT HOW DO WE WIN
06:00 - INTERPRET THE ARBITRATORS
06:01 - LANGUAGE.
06:03 - >>THAT THE GRIEVING WAS
06:05 - TERMINATED FOR NOT REPORTING
06:07 - TO WORK AND FOR NOT PERSONALLY
06:10 - CONTACTING THE CITY.
06:13 - IS IS IS THE ARBITRATOR NOT
06:14 - GIVING 2 REASONS DO NOT HAVE TO
06:16 - LOOK AT THOSE
06:18 - OR HIS. I THINK YOU JUST LOOK
06:21 - AT THE ONE REASON THAT HE
06:22 - DIDN'T
06:22 - QUITE REPORTS. YOU HEARD YOU
06:25 - HEARD THE SUPREME COURT HAS
06:26 - MADE VERY CLEAR THIS IS NOT
06:28 - NECESSARILY
06:29 - GET INTO.
06:30 - >>DON'T LET DEEPLY INTO THE
06:32 - ARBITRATORS ANALYSIS. THE
06:34 - ARBITRATOR. THESE ARE ALL SO IT
06:36 - NEEDS TO EXPLAIN.
06:40 - HE'S HIS REASON WAS NO JUST
06:43 - CAUSE FOR DISCHARGE, HE LOOKED
06:44 - AT THAT HE INDICATED.
06:49 - BASED ON GOOD NEWS AND IT'S
06:50 - GIVEN.
06:52 - IN HIS FINDING
06:53 - THAT THERE WAS NO JUST CAUSE
06:54 - FOR DISTRESS IS SUFFICIENT FOR
06:56 - THE COURT TO CONCLUDE.
06:58 - >>THAT.
07:05 - >>THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE RIGHT
07:06 - TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
07:07 - AGREEMENT IS NOT NECESSARY TO
07:08 - ANALYZE EVERY DETAIL IN IN OF
07:12 - THE AND
07:13 - IT WAS.
07:17 - >>SONG TO WRITE.
07:19 - >>THE LAW.
07:20 - >>HE COULD BE IN THE WORLD,
07:21 - IT'S STILL
07:22 - IT'S STILL DRIVE HIS S IS FROM
07:24 - THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND
07:25 - THERE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THIS
07:26 - IS NOT
07:28 - >>WE'VE BEEN DECISION
07:29 - ANALYSIS, MR. THIS IS A MASSIVE
07:32 - TEST REVIEW AND WHAT THE
07:35 - ARBITRATOR SAID THE REASON THAT
07:37 - CHARGE WAS DOOR.
07:39 - YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU MISSTATED
07:40 - THE LAW OR DID ANYTHING LIKE
07:42 - THAT THAT MY BEFORE.
07:44 - >>THAT'S CORRECT YOUR
07:46 - THAT'S CORRECT.
07:47 - >>AND DIDN'T THE ARBITRATOR
07:48 - HERE SAY THAT YOU KNOW THE CITY
07:50 - PRESENTED
07:51 - NO EVIDENCE OR REASON AS TO WHY
07:54 - COULDN'T HOLD THE POSITION OPEN
07:56 - AND AND DO IT AND LOOK AT THAT
07:58 - STATEMENT IS PART OF THAT WHOLE
08:00 - ANNOUNCES UNDER MILL CREEK 2.
08:02 - THIS COURT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO
08:04 - FOLLOW WITH WHETHER WE AGREE OR
08:06 - DISAGREE THAT THE CITY SHOULD
08:08 - HAVE HAD THE BURDEN OF PROVING.
08:10 - I THINK THE WHOLE PUNCH YOU
08:12 - KNOW I RESPECT THE SMITH THAT
08:14 - WAS JUST DICK DEATH. HE WAS
08:16 - JUST DISMISSING THAT AS
08:18 - SOMETHING THAT WAS WE RAISED
08:21 - THE FIRST TIME THAT THE
08:21 - ARBITRATION HEARING. HE WAS
08:23 - DISMISSING THAT IT WAS A
08:25 - STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE FOR THE
08:26 - FIRST TIME THAT THE
08:27 - ARBITRATION HEARING. IT WAS
08:29 - STATED WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE
08:31 - WITHOUT ANY FACTUAL SUPPORT.
08:33 - HE WAS DISMISSED. HE DID NOT
08:35 - WAR.
08:36 - HE WAS PLAYING OUT THIS WAS A
08:38 - STATEMENT MADE WITHOUT ANY
08:39 - EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.
08:41 - >>SO WHAT IS
08:41 - BEFORE US IS WHETHER IN
08:44 - APPLYING THIS ESSENCE TEST.
08:46 - THE
08:46 - ARBITRATOR EXCEEDED. THE SCHOOL
08:49 - WENT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE
08:50 - CBA WHETHER HE CAN RATIONALLY
08:52 - DRIVE HIS OPINION THEY'RE FROM.
08:56 - HE HAD A NEW TRADITION TO THE
08:58 - CBA BY SAYING THAT
09:01 - WHICH IS WHAT THE TRIAL COURT
09:02 - SAID THAT HE HAD A NEW
09:03 - PROVISION THAT GREAT CITY TO
09:05 - HOLD OPEN. UNION POSITIONS
09:07 - INDEFINITELY.
09:09 - >>AND AFTER THAT HE DIDN'T RUN
09:11 - HE DID NOT ADD A NEW PROVISION
09:13 - THAT WAS PURE DEBT. WHEN DID
09:16 - YOU START PRESSING ANY ISSUE
09:18 - THAT WAS RAISED IN THE DISTRICT
09:20 - LETTER.
09:21 - THE DISTRICT. HE SAYS A LOT OF
09:23 - THINGS IN THE ARBITRATION AWARD
09:25 - THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO
09:26 - ME. 3 TRAPPED. THE
09:29 - CURRENT TRACK PROVIDES FOR JUST
09:30 - CAUSE
09:31 - FOR DISTRICT. THE ARBITRATOR
09:32 - VERY CLEARLY SAID THAT THE CITY
09:34 - DID NOT PROVE THE JEWISH
09:36 - QUESTION IS CHARGE A
09:37 - CHILLY PERCH THAT'S THE ISSUES
09:39 - FOR THE COURT DOES
09:41 - THAT DECISION. THERE WAS NO
09:43 - JUST CAUSE THE DISCHARGES KELLY
09:45 - CRUCIAL DRAW ITS MESSAGE FROM
09:47 - THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IS
09:48 - NOT NECESSARY TO ANALYZE
09:50 - EVERY SENTENCE IN THE
09:52 - COLLECTIVE IN THE ARBITRATION
09:53 - AWARD FUTURE LISTEN. I
09:55 - UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
09:57 - >>THE DICTA THAT YOU'RE
09:58 - REFERRING TO HAPPENS TO BE LIKE
10:00 - HALF OF HIS SECTION UNDER
10:02 - DECISIONS IN FIGHTING TO GO
10:05 - INTO TOO MUCH DEBT AND EVEN
10:07 - ENDING WITH IT, BUT EVIDENCE OF
10:08 - JUST THE CASE IS WHY THE CITY
10:10 - COULD NOT HOLD.
10:12 - >>THINK EVEN STREET.
10:13 - POSITION IMAGE OPERATIONS ALL
10:16 - OF THAT SO
10:17 - HE DID SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF
10:19 - TIME ON THAT ISSUE AS MR.
10:23 - >>OUR HEIDI I'M GOING TO ASK
10:25 - YOU IF IT.
10:28 - >>TO ADDRESS JUST BECAUSE POINT
10:30 - IN YOUR REBUTTAL BECAUSE WE'RE
10:32 - RUNNING YOU ARE RIGHT OUT OF
10:34 - YOUR FIRST.
10:35 - ARGUMENT TIME AND WE'LL HEAR
10:37 - NOW FROM MISTER OIL. THANK YOU
10:40 - KIM.
10:42 - >>THANK FIRST OF ALL I WOULD
10:45 - JUST LIKE TO.
10:46 - TAKE A SECOND TO SAY HOW
10:48 - HONORED I AM TO BE HERE TODAY
10:50 - AND HOPEFULLY NEXT TIME IT'LL
10:52 - BE IN PERSON HERE SPURT.
10:55 - THIS CASE HAS BEEN REMANDED
10:57 - BY THE SUPREME COURT ON THE
10:58 - BASIS OF ITS RECENT DECISION
11:00 - HAS AND DISCUSSED OR MILK
11:02 - IT TOO. THIS CASE IS REMANDED
11:04 - WITHOUT TRIVIA FACTS OF THIS
11:06 - CASE. NO CREEK DOES NOT CHANGE
11:08 - THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE.
11:10 - THAT'S MCALLISTER PRIOR
11:11 - DECISION TO HIS AUNT.
11:13 - MILLCREEK INVOLVED CONTRACT
11:15 - NEGOTIATIONS AND WORKERS ASKED
11:17 - FOR PROPOSALS DURING THE
11:19 - NEGOTIATION PROCESS.
11:22 - BECAUSE THERE WAS AN KNOW SOCK
11:23 - CONTRACTING PROVISION IN THE
11:25 - EXISTING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
11:26 - AGREEMENT.
11:28 - ARBITRATOR FOUND. WE ARE HE WAS
11:31 - PART OF THE PROCESS OF AND
11:32 - TAKING US ON A CONTRACT AND SO
11:35 - WITHIN NOT KNOW SUBCONTRACT
11:37 - VISION.
11:39 - AGREED WITH THE OPERA TRAITOR
11:41 - AND FOUND THAT THAT REQUEST FOR
11:43 - BID WAS PART OF THIS DEFINITION
11:46 - OF WHICH THE NEW THE
11:49 - CURRENT 10 AND CONTRACTING
11:51 - VISION EXISTED IN THE CBA.
11:55 - >>YEAH IT'S ALL IT'S ALL DUE
11:56 - RESPECT COUNCIL I DISAGREE WITH
11:58 - YOUR INTERPRETATION THERE THERE
12:00 - IS NO OR FEW REFERENCE IN
12:02 - THE CBA AND I THINK THAT THE
12:05 - SUPREME COURT MADE A LITTLE
12:06 - BIT BROADER AS TO THE
12:09 - ARBITRATOR HAVING THE ABILITY
12:10 - TO LOOK AT THE PARTY'S HISTORY
12:12 - AND TO BRING THAT HISTORY INTO
12:15 - HIS ATTORNEY NOW SAYS IN
12:17 - DETERMINING WHAT THE REMEDY
12:18 - SHOULD BE IN INTERPRETING THE
12:20 - CONTRACT IS NOT THE PLACE OF
12:22 - THE COURT TO DO THAT EVEN IF IT
12:23 - IS ABSENT IN THE CONTRACT.
12:26 - I THINK IT'S A VERY BROAD
12:28 - RULING IN MILLCREEK TOO.
12:29 - BUT OTHERWISE I AGREE WITH HOW
12:31 - YOU RECITED
12:32 - THE FACTS.
12:33 - >>I THINK YOU KNOW I MIGHT I
12:34 - MIGHT I MIGHT SAY THAT I THINK
12:36 - JUDGE IN KOBE IS OFFERING A
12:38 - NARROW INTERPRETATION OF THE
12:39 - BROAD INTERPRETATION OF THE
12:40 - SUPREME COURT TOOK AN OAK CREEK
12:42 - I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT
12:43 - MIDDLE CREEK.
12:44 - >>BASICALLY SAID COMMONWEALTH
12:46 - COURT TO STOP.
12:48 - STOP ARBITRATORS ADDING
12:50 - ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE AND YOU
12:54 - NEED TO ALLOW THE ARBITRATOR
12:55 - FLEXIBILITY WITH
12:56 - THE PARTIES TO TO TAKE WHAT IS
12:59 - IN THE AGREEMENT AND GIVE IT
13:02 - DEPTH AND BREATH.
13:03 - AND THIS IS JUST THE JUST CAUSE
13:05 - TERMINATION THERE'S
13:06 - NO QUESTION THAT THE ARBITRATOR
13:08 - HAD JURISDICTION OVER THERE'S
13:10 - NO QUESTION THAT WHAT THE ISSUE
13:11 - OF WHETHER EMPLOYERS TERMINATED
13:13 - THE EMPLOYEE FOR JUST CAUSE IT
13:15 - ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THE
13:17 - AGREEMENT. WHY ISN'T
13:19 - IT OVER MILL CREEK IN THAT IT
13:21 - IS NOT THE WE SHOULDN'T BE
13:24 - PARSING EXAMINING EVERY
13:25 - LITTLETON THE ARBITRATOR HAD
13:28 - JURISDICTION. THE ISSUE OF JUST
13:30 - CAUSE TERMINATION WAS
13:31 - ENCOMPASSED IN THERE AND THE
13:33 - ARBITRATOR RULED HE DIDN'T HAVE
13:35 - JUST CAUSE GAME OVER.
13:39 - >>YOUR HONOR I WOULD
13:40 - POINT OUT THE SUPREME COURT
13:43 - KIND OF MILL CREEK. IT'S
13:45 - HOLDING SOME NOT CY IN
13:47 - A PLEA AGREEMENTS MATTERS.
13:50 - I QUOTE CLAY DISCIPLINE
13:52 - GRIEVANCES BEAR LITTLE
13:53 - SIMILARITY TO THE PRESENT
13:54 - MATTER. SO I THINK IN COURT
13:57 - WAYS. I'M KEEPING THIS.
13:59 - THIS IS DECISION
14:01 - WITH RESPECT TO THE NEGOTIATION
14:03 - THE CBA PROCESS, YOUR HONOR.
14:05 - >>WELL I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT
14:07 - I I.
14:09 - >>LEVI WAS MISINTERPRETED I DO
14:10 - BELIEVE THE SUPREME COURT HAS
14:12 - BROADLY GIVEN THE ARBITRATORS
14:15 - AUTHORITY AND THAT HOLD THIS UP
14:17 - COMMONWEALTH COURT HAND SAW THE
14:20 - ARBITRATOR HAS A LOT MORE
14:21 - AUTHORITY THAN YOU
14:22 - GIVING IN AND THEY HAS A
14:23 - BROADER THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO
14:25 - HAVE A BROAD INTERPRETATION.
14:27 - SO MY CONCERN HERE IS ALSO THAT
14:29 - THIS IS JUST A BLACK LETTER
14:31 - JUST CAUSE PROVISION BECAUSE
14:33 - IT'S JUST THE BLACK LETTER JUST
14:35 - CAUSE PROVISION WHICH IS
14:36 - EVEN SIMPLER THEN THE FACTS.
14:43 - NO
14:43 - CREE ONE. HOW DO WE GET CREEK
14:47 - 2.
14:51 - >>WELL YOUR HONOR I HOPE THAT'S
14:52 - FINE HOW CAN WE FIND IN YOUR
14:54 - FAVOR BASED ON THE MANDATES OF
14:57 - NO CREE TOO.
14:59 - AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A
15:00 - CLICKABLE JUST TOO CONTRACT
15:03 - NEGOTIATIONS. WELL AGAIN
15:06 - SUPREME COURT.
15:07 - >>HER SOLD OUT THAT IT SHOULD
15:08 - NOT HAVE PLANS TO EMPLOY
15:10 - DISCREET GRIEVANCES, YOUR
15:11 - HONOR, THIS THANK YOU NEED TO
15:13 - LOOK AT THE CASES OUT OF SO THE
15:17 - ROCK.
15:20 - AND I
15:21 - JUST MCCOLLOUGH AND ROSE SHE
15:23 - MEDIA SCHOOL DISTRICT. I THINK
15:25 - BY JUDGE DRAWS
15:26 - BRONSON AND YOU BELIEVE HOW
15:29 - THAT THE ARBITRATOR. HE ADDED
15:33 - ADDITIONAL DUE PROCESS TO THE
15:35 - DECISION. BE THE
15:38 - ARBITRATOR'S DECISION ADDED TO.
15:42 - NOT ONE BUT
15:42 - 2 TERMS TO SEE IT'S JUST NOT IN
15:46 - TURKEY, A TO US. HE ADDED
15:49 - 2 TERMS. WHY THE CITY HAD
15:51 - TO HOLD AN IMPORTANT POSITION
15:54 - FOR AN INDEFINITE LIKE
15:55 - THE TIME AND TO DO WELL
15:58 - TONIGHT, PETER.
15:59 - >>BECAUSE I'M BELIEVE ME WHEN I
16:00 - READ THIS I READ THAT DECISION
16:02 - THAT I WROTE PREVIOUSLY ON THE
16:04 - ADDING TERMS.
16:06 - MY POINT ABOUT MILLCREEK YOU IS
16:08 - I THINK THE SUPREME COURT HAS
16:09 - CLEARLY SESSION COMMONWEALTH
16:11 - COURT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN
16:12 - INTERPRETING IT ADDING TERMS.
16:14 - WE DON'T LIKE IT.
16:16 - IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS
16:19 - IS THE ARBITRATOR GIVING NEED
16:21 - OR STOPPED IN TERMS THAT ARE.
16:24 - ARE BROADLY WRITTEN IN THE
16:25 - ARBITRATION AGREEMENT AND YOU
16:26 - NEED TO GIVE THE ARBITRATOR.
16:28 - >>BILITY TO DO THAT
16:31 - IN TERMS OF THE ONE THING WHICH
16:32 - I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS
16:33 - ON HIS LANGUAGE ABOUT KEEPING
16:35 - THE JOB
16:36 - OPEN INDEFINITELY. IN FACT JUST
16:38 - THE RESULT OF
16:39 - THE AWARD IT'S NOT REALLY IT
16:42 - WOULD BE YOU KNOW IN OTHER
16:43 - WORDS IF YOU PUT THIS PERSON
16:44 - BACK YOU'RE SORT OF SAYING THAT
16:46 - THEY HAVE TO KEEP A JOB
16:47 - OPEN INDEFINITELY. I GOT SORT
16:50 - OF A RAMIFICATION OF THE OF
16:51 - PUTTING THEM BACK BUT BE THE
16:53 - FOCUS OF WHAT THE ARBITRATOR
16:54 - HEAR DID WAS SAY YOU DIDN'T
16:57 - HAVE JUST CAUSE TO TERMINATE
16:59 - PERIOD AND SHOULD THAT REALLY
17:01 - BE WHERE WE'RE FOCUSED ON NOT
17:03 - THE RESULT OF THE DETERMINATION
17:06 - THAT OR SPECIALLY THERE FOR THE
17:08 - COUNTY WOULD PAY
17:09 - THE CONSEQUENCES THAT IF YOU DO
17:11 - SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE JUST BECAUSE
17:13 - YOU'RE SAYING WE HAD TO KEEP IT
17:15 - OPEN INDEFINITELY THAT'S AN
17:16 - EXTRAPOLATION WHAT IS THE WHAT
17:19 - THE ARBITRATOR CLEARLY THAT IS
17:20 - EVEN HAVE JUST CALLED THE
17:21 - TERMINATOR PERIOD.
17:27 - >>PURCHASES I MEAN HE WAS I
17:30 - CAN'T COME BACK TO WORK.
17:32 - HE IS INCARCERATED.
17:34 - IF YOU
17:36 - IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 700 AND
17:38 - THE CTA THERE
17:40 - ARE SPECIFIC REASONS REALLY
17:43 - ABSENCE.
17:45 - NOT RAISE CAN BE INTERPRETED OR
17:46 - EXTRAPOLATE IT TO INCLUDE
17:48 - INCARCERATION.
17:50 - >>I ARBITRATOR THE ARBITRATOR
17:53 - DID IN THE ARBITRATOR MAY BE
17:55 - RAW AND THE SUPREME COURT I
17:56 - THINK IT FOR 5 OR.
17:57 - >>10 TIMES IN OAK CREEK IS THAT
17:59 - THE ARBITRATOR MAY BE WRONG.
18:02 - AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO CORRECT.
18:06 - AN INCORRECT INTERPRETATION OF
18:08 - THE CBA.
18:09 - >>THE DEAL OF A CONTRACT.
18:13 - >>AND DIRECTION WHICH IS
18:14 - SOMETHING THAT CROSS TRADING
18:16 - FOR APPELLATE JUDGES BECAUSE WE
18:18 - DO THAT ALL THE TIME WE REVIEW
18:19 - CONTRACT BASIS AND WE DETERMINE
18:22 - WHETHER OR NOT.
18:23 - >>THE ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY ON
18:25 - ONE HAND
18:28 - A COURT OF COMMON PLEAS ON THE
18:30 - OTHER HAND.
18:32 - PROPERLY COME THROUGH
18:34 - THE CONTRACT THAT OUTSIDE
18:36 - AN ARBITRATION.
18:38 - >>THERE ARE ANY WAY YOU CAN
18:39 - CONNECT WHAT THE ARBITRATOR
18:41 - DEAD THROUGH THE LANGUAGE OF
18:42 - THE CVA WE'RE AROUND OR NOT.
18:47 - >>I THINK THAT YOUR PUT YOUR.
18:51 - >>IF I COULD HEAR FROM MISS
18:52 - DOYLE CHEST.
18:54 - >>I'M SO NEAR YOU CUT OUT.
18:58 - I DIDN'T HEAR WHOLE QUESTION
18:59 - YOUR HONOR.
19:01 - >>ALL RIGHT
19:04 - I MEAN WHERE BROWN BY
19:08 - ARBITRATORS CONSTRUCTION OF THE
19:10 - BACK OF THE ACTS GIVE ME THE
19:13 - HELP I CAN ARE GETTING
19:14 - AGREEMENT AS LONG AS THERE ARE
19:15 - ANY LANGUAGE IN THE CBA THAT
19:18 - SUPPORTS THE AWARD AND THEY
19:20 - ROARED
19:20 - HERE WAS KOREAN DAY AN EMPLOYEE
19:23 - WHO WAS FOUND TO HAVE BEEN
19:25 - DEPTH CHART HER LAST JUST CAUSE
19:28 - AND JUST CAUSE AND IS IN THE
19:30 - CONTRACT IS IT NOT.
19:37 - >>I MEAN WE MAY BE VERY
19:38 - SYMPATHETIC WITH THE EMPLOYER
19:39 - DILEMMA HERE.
19:42 - >>THE ONLY ISSUE PRESENTED TO
19:44 - THE ARBITRATOR WAS.
19:49 - DISCHARGE FOR JUST CAUSE.
19:54 - >>IN THE
19:55 - JUST CAUSE THE HIS INABILITY TO
19:57 - RETURN TO WORK.
20:00 - THERE IS SPECIFIC.
20:02 - >>REASONS THAT HE CAN BE.
20:05 - WE CAN HOPE FOR A JOB OPEN.
20:07 - IT'S INCONCEIVABLE A COLLECTIVE
20:09 - BARGAINING AGREEMENT
20:10 - WOULD PROVIDE LEAVE HER VISION
20:11 - FOR INCARCERATION I DON'T THINK
20:13 - YOU CAN FIND ANY OF THAT
20:14 - LANGUAGE. IN THE CONTRACT.
20:17 - >>WHAT IF MISTER
20:18 - ARE SAUDIS POSITION IS IS
20:20 - ADOPTED OR CORRECT THAT THE
20:21 - ARBITRATOR ONLY MEANT TO SAY.
20:24 - >>THAT.
20:25 - >>HE WAS DISCHARGED BECAUSE OF
20:26 - HIS RESPONSE. HIS LACK
20:29 - OF RESPONSE. PERSONALLY.
20:31 - >>AND.
20:32 - >>THEY ARE SUCH A GOOD DEED
20:34 - LOOK AT THAT AND SAY
20:35 - THERE'S NOTHING IN THE
20:36 - CONTRACT. THAT SAYS THE UNION
20:38 - THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CBA FROM
20:39 - HITTING THE UNION FROM DOING
20:41 - IT. IT MISTER SAYS DECISION IS
20:44 - THAT THAT WAS REALLY THE ISSUE
20:46 - THAT WAS DONE REASON FOR
20:47 - TERMINATION.
20:49 - >>YOU YOU'RE GOING BEYOND IN
20:51 - SAYING IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS
20:53 - INCARCERATED BUT I DON'T.
20:57 - A FINDING BY THE CHAIR THAT I'M
20:58 - NOT SURE I CAN.
21:03 - >>RESORT INTO THE FACTS ARE WE
21:05 - THEN BECOMING THE SUPER
21:06 - ARBITRATOR. RIDGE IS EXACTLY
21:08 - WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS
21:09 - MANDATED US NOT TO BE.
21:12 - AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE
21:13 - SAYING IF THE IF THE FACTS ARE
21:14 - CRITICAL AND I UNDERSTAND THE
21:16 - CITY'S POSITION. THE SUPREME
21:18 - COURT HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT
21:19 - THEY DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO
21:20 - THE WEEDS.
21:23 - >>I DON'T THINK THESE
21:24 - PRIOR CASES ABOUT ADDING
21:26 - ADDITIONAL THE PROCESS OF BEING
21:27 - OVERRULED BY MILK CRATE.
21:32 - YOU'RE A LETTER INTO DRESSED
21:34 - COLLEGE. QUESTION. THE LETTER
21:37 - SAID THAT THE RESPONSE. HE WAS
21:40 - ABLE TO COME BACK TO WORK.
21:41 - IT WAS IN CONCOURSE A NATION
21:43 - WAS UNACCEPTABLE. SO THERE'S A
21:45 - COMBINATION OF REASONS THAT A
21:47 - LETTER I DON'T THINK HE CAN
21:48 - PARSE AND PARCEL OUT
21:50 - ONE REASON AND THEN SAY THERE'S
21:52 - NO JUST CAUSE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T
21:54 - PERSONALLY WILL WORK. YOU COULD
21:56 - COME BACK TO WORK.
21:57 - I'M
21:59 - DOWN.
22:00 - >>WE'RE GONNA CANNON HAD A
22:01 - QUESTION I KNOW SHE CAME HOME.
22:04 - >>YEAH, I WAS JUST A YEAH, THIS
22:07 - IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT
22:09 - EVEN THOUGH BILL
22:11 - CREATES INS TO YOU KNOW THIS IS
22:14 - IN THE ATHENS OF THE AND WE
22:17 - NEED TO.
22:18 - >>BYE BYE WITH THE ARBITRATOR'S
22:20 - DECISION WAS THAT THEY LEFT THE
22:21 - ROOM. THEY LEFT ROOM FOR I'M AN
22:24 - APPELLATE COURT OR TRY
22:26 - TO DETERMINE AND THE EVEN SO IT
22:29 - IS NOT A FEST
22:30 - THE REASONABLE AND EVEN SO IT
22:33 - IS A VIOLATION OF PUBLIC POLICY
22:35 - AT U.S..
22:40 - >>AND AGAIN I THINK MILLCREEK
22:42 - LEAVES OPEN A
22:44 - DIFFERENT ANALYSIS PLANE PLEA
22:47 - GREAT DISCIPLINE, GREAT
22:49 - MATTERS. I HONOR.
22:52 - I CAN ONLY I THINK IT IS
22:54 - FACTUALLY THE STATE.
22:57 - THIS CASE AND THE MILL CREEK
22:59 - CASE.
23:08 - TO FIND IN FAVOR REPELLENT
23:10 - WOULD CREATE STANDARD REQUIRING
23:13 - PUBLIC EMPLOYER
23:15 - ESTABLISHED THAT WOULD HURT SO
23:18 - ONLY EMPLOYEES DECISION THAT
23:20 - PLANE HAS BEEN INCARCERATED
23:22 - SINCE THEN HER CALL A STATE IN
23:24 - SLIPPERY ROCK OPINION. THIS
23:25 - IS GOING TO CREATE A SERIOUS
23:27 - LOOPHOLE AND WHAT BARTON GREEN
23:29 - MEN REALLY TIME PLAYERS HANDS
23:33 - NATION CASES. I DON'T THINK
23:35 - THIS THIS WHAT THE GOAL WAS IN
23:38 - MILL CREEK. I THINK IT'S
23:40 - ACTUALLY THE OIL AND THOUGHT I
23:42 - GOT ON THE ISSUE OF PRESS THAT
23:43 - WE SERVE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED
23:45 - THAT OPINION THAT THE ISSUE AND
23:46 - HOW THEY'RE GOING TO FLOW, BUT
23:48 - IT SEEMS TO ME THAT.
23:50 - >>IT GETS EVEN
23:52 - MORE SO IN LIGHT OF MILL CREEK
23:54 - I THINK IT WAS A LOT OF A
23:55 - CERTAIN EXTENT BEFORE MILL
23:56 - CREEK BUT.
23:57 - IT'S BEEN A LEADER BUT RACIAL
23:59 - WORDS BECOMES TO A GENEROUS.
24:02 - EXACTLY UNDER THE FACTS
24:03 - OF THE CASE ANOTHER ARBITRATOR
24:06 - ON ANOTHER CONTRACT, SAME
24:07 - CONTRACT LANGUAGE COULD REACH
24:09 - COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RESULT AND
24:10 - WE WOULD HAVE FOR.
24:12 - >>WE
24:12 - WERE FROM I JUST MET OR
24:14 - DISMISSAL. WE WERE FROM
24:15 - REINSTATEMENT THAT KIND OF
24:17 - WHERE WE ARE SO IN TERMS OF
24:18 - CREATING PRECEDENT WHAT I'M NOT
24:21 - SURE WHAT KIND OF PROTESTS THAT
24:22 - WE'RE CREATING ANY MORE WITH
24:23 - REGARD TO ARBITRATION APPEALED
24:24 - IN LIGHT OF
24:25 - MILL CREEK. MAYBE YOU KNOW
24:27 - MAYBE THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR
24:28 - FLUSHING OUT THE PUBLIC POLICY
24:30 - EXCEPTION A LITTLE BIT THE
24:32 - COURT TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT IN
24:34 - MILLCREEK
24:36 - MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC
24:38 - POLICY ARGUMENT ON APPEAL BY
24:41 - HER BUT I DON'T THINK I DON'T
24:43 - THINK
24:43 - ANY DECISIONS FIRMING
24:46 - ARBITRATION AWARD ANYMORE.
24:49 - HOW MUCH PRESIDENT ABOUT
24:51 - EVERYTHING THROUGH A GENEROUS.
24:57 - >>I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN WITH.
25:00 - >>HOW YOU PHRASE THE ISSUE IS
25:03 - DIFFERENT THEN. THE ISSUE FOR
25:05 - THE ARBITRATOR. AND I THINK
25:07 - BECAUSE IT IS A STANDARD JUST
25:09 - CAUSE ISSUE IT'S A LITTLE
25:12 - DIFFERENT
25:12 - THAN HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO
25:14 - REPHRASE IT AND I UNDERSTAND
25:15 - THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF IT.
25:18 - BUT I THINK WE ARE REQUIRED TO
25:20 - GO BACK JUST SAYING IT'S A JUST
25:22 - CAUSE ISSUE. AND I THINK WE
25:25 - WOULD TAKE ACTION THEY DON'T
25:26 - THINK A PRIOR CASE LAW.
25:28 - IT'S GOING TO HELP US IN THIS
25:29 - PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE EVERY
25:31 - CASES JUST BASED ON THE FACTS
25:33 - IN FRONT OF THE ARBITRATOR WAS
25:34 - REALLY HAVE HANDS OFTEN.
25:38 - >>I IF HE LOOK AT THE
25:40 - ARBITRATOR'S DECISION WHICH
25:43 - JUDGMENT CALLAWAY'S THE
25:45 - LANGUAGE WAS HOW I HOUSE,
25:48 - IT'S YOU. THE JUST CAUSE WAS.
25:51 - YOU COULDN'T COME BACK TO WORK.
25:54 - FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD TIME
25:55 - THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRAITORS WAS
25:57 - I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO
25:58 - THE WEEDS.
26:01 - >>THAT WE'VE MISSED OR DIDN'T
26:02 - ARBITRATOR ALL SAY THE REASON
26:03 - WHY HE COULDN'T COME BACK TO
26:04 - WORK THE REASON WHY HE WAS
26:05 - INCARCERATED WAS BECAUSE HE GOT
26:07 - DRUG-ADDICTED BECAUSE YOU'RE
26:09 - QUIET FIRED AN IMPROPERLY THE
26:10 - LAST TIME.
26:12 - >>WELL THE ARBITRATOR WE'RE
26:14 - GOING TO GET INTO THE WE BOTH
26:15 - GET INTO THE WEEKEND.
26:17 - >>IRISH TRADERS SAID YOU
26:19 - MADE IT IN THE CLEAR THAT THE
26:20 - ONLY PERSON OR PERSONS
26:21 - RESPONSIBLE CREDENCE OR
26:23 - CHOICES, ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR AND
26:25 - CONDUCT WAS GRIEVING HIMSELF.
26:28 - SO HE DID NOT FAULT THE CITY.
26:31 - FOR HIM YOU KNOW SELLING
26:33 - AND MANUFACTURING.
26:37 - >>WELL I THINK THAT HE YOU KNOW
26:39 - JUDGE PROCESS PUERTO OF
26:42 - THE ARBITRATORS DISCUSSIONS AND
26:45 - FINDINGS HE DOES SAY BY NOT
26:46 - COMPLYING WITH THAT
26:47 - CREOLE AWARD RETURNING THE
26:49 - GRIEVING BACK TO WORK IN
26:50 - COMPLYING WITH THE BACK DOOR.
26:52 - SO DEARLY CONTRIBUTED TO SO.
26:55 - PROBLEMS I CANNOT SIT AROUND
26:59 - >>AT THE END OF YOUR ARGUMENT.
27:02 - WHEN YOU YOU'RE OUT OF TIME
27:04 - WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE HER
27:05 - CLOTHING FROM OUR EYE AND JUST
27:07 - TURN CLEAR YOU JUST AFTER THAT
27:11 - ON REMAND WE
27:13 - FROM HER WE REACHED THE
27:15 - SAME CONCLUSION.
27:17 - >>I GET IT, I'M OKAY AND IF YOU
27:19 - WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CONCLUDING
27:21 - STATEMENT.
27:22 - >>THANK YOU
27:23 - YOUR HONOR. AGAIN I WOULD
27:26 - DISTINGUISH KNOW CREEK I THINK
27:27 - IT CERTAINLY DISTINGUISHABLE I
27:29 - THINK THAT THE COURT NEEDS TO
27:31 - LOOK AT AT
27:33 - CREATED.
27:35 - LANGUAGE THE ARBITRATORS
27:38 - REQUIRING THE CITY ESTABLISH A
27:40 - BURDEN OUR FRIENDSHIP.
27:42 - AND THIS IS CREATING ADDITIONAL
27:44 - DUE PROCESS AND
27:45 - THAT'S NOT CONTAINED IN THE
27:47 - LANGUAGE OF THE LEFT PARTY
27:48 - AGREEMENT THE EVEN LOOK AT THE
27:50 - LEAVES OF ABSENCES. I
27:52 - DON'T THINK.
27:53 - I GUESS WHAT I'M HOLDING THIS
27:54 - COURT WAY TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE
27:56 - GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF
27:58 - IT IS THE CLOCK WRITING DREAM
28:00 - AND PICK OKAY THIS IS NOT YOU
28:02 - KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD
28:03 - YOUR POSITION UP THERE ARE
28:05 - SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE
28:06 - US THAT AND THAT THAT'S NOT
28:08 - WHAT SCOTS CONTEMPLATED WITH IT
28:11 - WHEN THE PARTIES COME TO THE
28:11 - TABLE. I ASK THAT YOU ARE FROM
28:15 - THE DECISION HER HOME.
28:20 - >>IF YOU
28:20 - ARE TINY. YEAH I ASKED
28:24 - REFERRING THIS RADICAL.
28:27 - WHEN OVER HER WE'RE RUNNING OUT
28:29 - OF TIME AND SO I APOLOGIZE ALL
28:32 - RIGHT. I AM
28:33 - I JUST WANT TO PLAY THIS FOR
28:34 - THE APPLICABILITY OF THE
28:36 - SUPREME COURT DECISION IN OAK
28:37 - CREEK. I THINK THE
28:38 - SUPREME COURT WILL IT SOON
28:41 - AFTER THE BYE CREATING MY
28:44 - OFFICIAL TRAILER CLOUD BASED
28:46 - ON. NO BIG THEY REMAINED AT
28:49 - THE CASE BASED ON TOPICS I
28:51 - BELIEVE THAT THE COURT BELIEVES
28:52 - THAT THIS HAPPENED. AND MY
28:54 - SECOND POINT LET ME IS THAT.
29:02 - THIS PERSON IS CHARGED WITH US
29:03 - IS THE POINT OF COURSE THE
29:04 - NATION. I WASN'T BASED UPON.
29:11 - I'M NOT BEING ABLE TO HOLD THE
29:12 - JOB OPEN IF IT HAD BEEN MAYBE
29:15 - THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A
29:15 - DIFFERENT RESULT. NORWICH AIR
29:17 - MAY REACH THE IT WAS ALL YES, A
29:20 - DIFFERENT REASON HAD BEEN GIVEN
29:22 - 4. HIS TERMINATION.
29:25 - BUT THE
29:26 - ARBITRATOR AS HE POINTS OUT IN
29:28 - HIS DECISION. HE'S THERE ARE
29:30 - REASONS WE'RE NOT GET HE POINTS
29:31 - OUT THAT IN THESE TYPES OF
29:33 - CASES OTHER PIPES. THESE OTHER
29:35 - REASONS. COURT.
29:38 - OFTEN GIVEN IN THESE TYPES
29:41 - OF SITUATIONS BUT WE'RE NOT IN
29:42 - THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND THAT'S
29:44 - WHERE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
29:46 - THAT THE COURT. I
29:48 - DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE ACTUAL
29:51 - DECISION THAT THE ARBITRATOR
29:52 - MADE THAT IS.
29:54 - THAT THERE WAS NO JUST CAUSE
29:55 - FOR DISCHARGE IN HIS DICK TO
29:58 - AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE
29:58 - COURT. YOU KNOW NOT GETTING
30:00 - INTO THE EVES IN NOT EXAM SOME
30:03 - OF THE LANGUAGE USED THE THAT
30:05 - THE ARBITRATOR USED IN CARS.
30:07 - IT'S QUITE A BIT IT WAS A
30:08 - LENGTHY THIS AIMS SOMEWHAT LINK
30:10 - DECISION WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT
30:11 - OTHER THINGS BUT THE IMPORTANT
30:13 - POINT IS THAT THE 3 CONTESTS
30:15 - WAS MET. THIS IS THE BEST
30:18 - ISSUE ALSO WITHIN THE TERMS OF
30:20 - THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
30:21 - AGREEMENT THAT AS
30:23 - FAR AS SHE WAS ADDRESSED BY THE
30:25 - ARBITRATOR. IT WAS ADDRESSED.
30:28 - I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY
30:30 - WAY IT COULD HAVE BEEN
30:30 - ADDRESSED.
30:33 - IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE PUBLIC
30:34 - ALSO THREE-PRONGED TEST OR
30:36 - JUDICIAL DEFERENCE WAS MET.
30:39 - AND I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT
30:41 - CONSISTENT WITH.
30:45 - THE BILL COULD CUT THEM TO MILL
30:47 - CREEK TOWNSHIP CASE IN ALL
30:49 - SUPREME COURT.
30:56 - THEN THIS CASE AND MUST BE.
31:04 - ARBITRATION AWARD BE REINSTATED
31:05 - IN MR. HEARST THE UNITS JOB
31:07 - BACK.
31:10 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEY
31:12 - INCLUDE STAR.
31:16 - >>58. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.
31:52 - WELCOME TO THE COMMONWEALTH
31:53 - COURT. THIS IS NUMBER
31:55 - 59. I WOULD JUST GOT AND
31:58 - THE PETITIONER IS THE
32:00 - EMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION BOARD
32:02 - OF REVIEW. THE TIDE HAS 15
32:05 - ARGUMENT OR 15 MINUTES
32:08 - OR B YOU.
32:13 - THE PETITIONER DESERVE AN MAIN
32:16 - RESERVE. SOME OF THE
32:18 - 15 MINUTES OR
32:19 - REBUTTAL AND WITH I WILL ASK
32:23 - MR.
32:27 - BUT HOW YOU
32:28 - SAY IT TO ARGUE ON BEHALF OF
32:31 - MR. UMMM THANK YOU.
32:34 - >>THANK YOU AND MAY IT PLEASE
32:35 - THE COURT ATTACHMENT AND LEGAL
32:37 - SERVICES REPRESENT A CLAIMANT
32:39 - AND THIS UNEMPLOYMENT
32:40 - COMPENSATION, YOU KNOW.
32:43 - THE REQUEST, THE BOARD DECISION
32:44 - BE REVERSED FOR 3 REASONS.
32:46 - FIRST AND THE TIME TO TIME IN
32:48 - ASIAN WOMEN HAVE ASKED ADEQUATE
32:51 - POINTS AND OR EMPLOYERS.
32:53 - ATTENTION SEE WHICH CALLED FOR
32:55 - 20 POINTS. IT WHO
32:57 - WORE A A TERMINATION.
33:02 - A FINAL WARNING THAT WAS ISSUED
33:04 - THEY'RE NOT I BELIEVE PLACE I'M
33:06 - IN ON NOTICE THAT HE COULD BE
33:07 - FIRED. OR A GOOD ONE.
33:11 - CURRENT UNDER THE ATTENDANCE
33:12 - POLICY
33:13 - AND 3RD AND ITS FINAL WANTING
33:16 - AND HE'S LIKE THIS OUGHT TO BE
33:17 - SUBJECT TO REVIEW.
33:22 - IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE
33:23 - EMPLOYER'S POLICY THAT THE
33:25 - ATTENDANCE POLICY CALLED FOR A
33:27 - NATION AT 20 POINTS. AND IT'S
33:30 - HARD TO TERMINATION PAYMENT AT
33:32 - BEST AND 15 POINTS AND THAT'S
33:35 - AFTER THE THE FINAL INCIDENT.
33:37 - YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO
33:38 - THE POINTS AS IMPORTANT TO NOTE
33:40 - THAT THE EMPLOYER MAINTAINED 2
33:42 - DISTINCT AND SEPARATE
33:44 - AND HAPPY. ALL THE SEASON BUT
33:46 - DISCIPLINE. ONE WAS A
33:48 - PROGRESSIVE THIS MARY ALL A C.
33:50 - THE SECOND WAS IN ATTENDANCE
33:51 - POLICY AND THESE DOCUMENTS ARE
33:53 - ARE DISTINCT AND SEPARATE
33:55 - DOCUMENTS THEY NEED OUT.
33:57 - DISCIPLINE ON SEPARATE
33:59 - SCHEDULES. I DO NOT REFER TO
34:01 - EACH OTHER
34:02 - AT ALL IN THE DOCUMENTS PRETTY
34:04 - NO WAY FOR A METRO WORKER.
34:06 - WHEN FOR FROM THE DOCUMENTS
34:08 - THEMSELVES THAT THEY ARE TO BE
34:09 - READ TOGETHER AS
34:10 - THE BOARD RULED IN THIS
34:12 - DECISION.
34:14 - WITHOUT THE I THINK THE DEA
34:18 - POLICIES BEING READ TOGETHER.
34:19 - THE CLAIM IN THIS PIECE WILL
34:21 - NOT ENTER MONEY.
34:24 - WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT
34:26 - THE FINAL WARNING IN THIS CASE
34:30 - IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW.
34:32 - NOW THE ST. LOUIS FOR THE
34:33 - PROPOSITION THAT. PAST
34:37 - INCIDENTS.
34:38 - AN EMPLOYER CAN BE SOMETHING
34:40 - YOU'RE LOUIS WHAT HAPPENED WAS
34:42 - THE EMPLOYER TRY
34:43 - TO CHARACTERIZE. UPDATED JOB
34:46 - DESCRIPTION AS A
34:47 - WRITTEN WARNING. AND THE COURT
34:49 - REJECTED THAT NOTION AND WE
34:51 - THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE HEARS
34:52 - WELL WERE WRITTEN WARNING IS
34:55 - IT'S HUGE. IT OUGHT TO BE
34:56 - SUBJECT TO REVIEW. DO NOT DO
34:59 - THAT IT
35:00 - IT THAT'S THE CLAIM FROM BEING
35:02 - A RAISE THEY COULD
35:03 - CAUSE ARGUMENT WHAT WOULD BE
35:05 - APPROPRIATE IN THE
35:06 - CIRCUMSTANCES.
35:09 - THERE'S ALSO A CATERPILLAR CASE
35:11 - WHICH
35:11 - THE COURT. I HELD THAT NOT ONLY
35:14 - THE RULES HAVE TO BE
35:15 - REASONABLE. SO TOO MUST THE
35:17 - EMPLOYERS. POLICIES ME
35:20 - IMPLEMENTED NOW APPLY. I'M IN A
35:23 - REASONABLE FASHION TO THE
35:26 - POINT THAT.
35:28 - >>WHEN THE UNION WAS TO WORK ON
35:30 - SEPTEMBER 7 THAT HE WAS
35:32 - ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER EMPLOYEES.
35:34 - >>ROUTE AND THAT THAT PREVIOUS
35:36 - EMPLOYER HAD IN HAVE ALL THE
35:38 - EQUIPMENT ON THE TRUCK
35:39 - AND THIS IS HIS SUPERVISOR IN
35:41 - THE CLAIMANT SUPERVISOR DIDN'T
35:43 - APPEAR TO BE BOTHERED.
35:45 - BUT THE WORK NOT BEING
35:45 - COMPLETED BY CLAIM THAT THE
35:47 - CLAIMANT WAS
35:48 - ULTIMATELY FOUND TO BE
35:49 - RESPONSIBLE AND FALL, BUT WHAT
35:51 - THE WORK THAT WAS NOT
35:52 - COMPLETED.
35:55 - >>YES, YOUR HONOR WHAT HAPPENED
35:56 - ON SEPTEMBER 7TH WAS THAT THE
35:59 - CLAIMANT
35:59 - HAD ALREADY WE'RE PARTY PERFORM
36:01 - HIS DUTIES AFTER FINISHED
36:02 - ANOTHER WORKERS. ROUTE THAT DAY
36:05 - AND SO HE JUMPED ANOTHER TRUCK,
36:06 - YOU KNOW WORKER'S TRUCK AND WE
36:08 - GOT TO WORK SENATE GETS THAT
36:09 - DON'T
36:09 - HAVE ADEQUATE. I MEAN I'M AND
36:12 - CLAIMED IT WAS NOT ABLE TO
36:14 - FINISH THE JOB. THIS REVISED
36:16 - PASSED AN S
36:17 - YOU COME IN THE NEXT DAY WHICH
36:19 - WAS GOING TO SATURDAY TO FINISH
36:20 - THE JOB. THEY CLAIM THAT
36:21 - RESPONDED THAT HE WAS
36:23 - UNAVAILABLE NEXT DAY. AND THE
36:26 - SUPERVISOR RESPONDED WE'LL TAKE
36:27 - CARE. THAT WAS THE END
36:30 - OF IT. THE
36:31 - PLANE WAS NOT SCHEDULED TO WORK
36:32 - THE NEXT DAY HE WAS NOT THE ON
36:34 - CALL DRIVE THE NEXT DAY.
36:36 - THEY CLAIM IT WAS AWARE THAT
36:37 - THERE'S ANOTHER DRIVER WAS ON
36:39 - CALL FOR THAT DAY. NEVERTHELESS
36:41 - AND WHEN IT SHOWED UP ALL I
36:42 - WORK DAY ON MAY HAVE BEEN FOR
36:44 - HIM. HE WAS SU AND EXTREME.
36:48 - VIOLATION AND A FINAL WARNING,
36:51 - EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT
36:51 - SEEING THAT THAT NOT ON MERIT
36:54 - THAT LEVEL OF A REPRIMAND
36:56 - OTHERWISE. RATE THE
36:59 - EMPLOYER CHARACTERIZED.
37:01 - I THINK LEANS ACTIONS AS BEING
37:03 - A REFUSAL OF AN ASSIGNED JOB.
37:05 - AND WE WOULD SIGHT TO THE CASE
37:08 - IS THAT IT'S
37:08 - ABLE REFUSAL AND THE MAN HAVE
37:11 - TO BE ASSESSED FOR
37:12 - REASONABLENESS AND THE STATE WE
37:13 - WOULD
37:14 - SAY THAT IT WAS NEVER ACTUALLY
37:16 - AT THEM AND PLAN TO COME IN THE
37:17 - NEXT DAY BUT THAT IT WAS IF HE
37:19 - COULD COME IN THE NEXT DAY.
37:21 - AND IT CERTAINLY IN OTHER.
37:23 - >>ARE THERE ANY FINDINGS OF
37:24 - FACT.
37:26 - BASED ON THAT PARTICULAR
37:28 - INCIDENT THAT CONFIRMS WHAT
37:30 - YOU'RE SAYING ONE WAY OR THE
37:31 - OTHER.
37:32 - >>WELL THE RECORD IS PRETTY
37:34 - WELL DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA.
37:36 - BUT THE BOARD BEFORE YOU MAKE
37:38 - ANY FINDINGS OF FACT IN THAT
37:39 - AREA BECAUSE THEY HEY HOW ARE
37:41 - THEY RULED OUT.
37:43 - FINAL MORNING OF THE ACTIONS OF
37:45 - ONE OF THE REASON WHY IT WAS
37:46 - ISSUED. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO
37:47 - REVIEW.
37:49 - >>BUT LET ME SHOW YOU HERE WE
37:51 - TAKE YOU REALLY
37:51 - IMPORTANT WHERE THERE'S A
37:54 - PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE POLICY.
37:57 - >>NOW ADD INFRACTIONS BUILD ON
38:00 - EACH OTHER SO THAT THE
38:05 - SUCH AS OCCURRED HERE WHICH WAS
38:06 - CHARACTERIZED AS A MINOR
38:08 - IN FASHION. THEN IF YOU DON'T
38:11 - LOOK BACK AND PROGRESSIVE
38:13 - DISCIPLINE WHEN ONE OF THE
38:14 - PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE POLICY
38:16 - IS AN ISSUE AND SICK YOU ARE
38:18 - CREDIT CAN AND THEN SLATE
38:20 - MAYBE THERE. THOSE CAN COUNT
38:22 - AGAINST SOMEONE AND SO YOU
38:25 - REALLY NEED TO CHECK TO SEE
38:26 - THOSE ISN'T THAT YOUR POSITION.
38:29 - >>IT IS YOUR WE SUBMIT THAT AND
38:31 - THE
38:31 - ABSENCE, OKAY. I KNOW AREN'T
38:34 - BEING 73 DEAL THAT COULD LEAD
38:35 - TO ABSURD RESULTS WERE VOTERS.
38:38 - ARBITRARILY METE OUT DISCIPLINE
38:40 - OR TOTALLY UNWARRANTED REASONS
38:42 - AND THE FOR
38:42 - THIS MOVIE. SO LONG AS A
38:44 - WARNING WAS ISSUED THAT'S ALL
38:46 - THEY WORRY ABOUT JUST THE ISSUE
38:47 - IS A WARNING REGARDLESS OF
38:48 - WHETHER WAS BASELESS OR NOT AND
38:50 - WE THINK THAT IS AT LEE
38:52 - AND STARE EVEN DATE IN A TERM
38:54 - LIMIT COMPENSATION ISN'T IT.
38:56 - THE PURPOSE OF THE ACTING
38:57 - REMEDIAL THERE'S NOTHING IN
38:59 - THE ACT OR IN THE AREA CODE
39:01 - WHICH SAYS THAT A FINAL WARNING
39:03 - CAN'T BE REVIEW.
39:04 - >>HOW FAR
39:05 - BACK WITH.
39:06 - >>ONE MIGHT NEED TO GO IN ORDER
39:08 - TO DO THIS PARTICULARLY HERE
39:10 - YOU HAVE A PROGRESSIVE
39:11 - DISCIPLINE POLICY WHERE PEOPLE
39:13 - IN CRUDE POINTS
39:14 - OVER YEARS. AND CLEAN INTO
39:18 - WAS TERMINATED WHO WANTS TO
39:21 - CHALLENGE ANY OF THOSE PREVIOUS
39:24 - WARNINGS OR ISSUANCE AND
39:27 - POINTS. THEY THINK OR
39:28 - UNWARRANTED. HOW FAR DO YOU GO.
39:33 - >>I DON'T FEEL IN THIS CASE.
39:35 - THE FINAL WARNING WAS THE
39:36 - PENULTIMATE. ISSUE WHICH WILL
39:39 - LEAD ULTIMATELY CONCLUDED
39:41 - UNAIDED WITH OUT WITHOUT THAT
39:43 - FINAL WARNING BEING ISSUED
39:44 - WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY AND
39:46 - SO WE THINK ARE THE FACTS OF
39:47 - THIS CASE. FINAL MORNING IS
39:49 - CERTAINLY SUBJECT TO REVIEW.
39:52 - I KNOW THE COURT IS NOT IN
39:53 - OTHER CASES THAT GOING ALL
39:55 - THE WAY FOR EVERY INSTANCE MAY
39:57 - NOT BE.
39:59 - AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I
40:01 - THINK IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE
40:02 - REQUEST THAT AS WE GO BACK JUST
40:04 - ONE STEP.
40:06 - IF THAT BUT WITHOUT THAT ONE
40:07 - STEP WE WON'T BE HERE TODAY.
40:11 - WE TAKE A LONGER WIDE
40:12 - ANGLE LENS OF ROADS TO ANY
40:14 - INSTANCES ON AND ON ON THE
40:15 - CASES. I KNOW AND TRANSPORT
40:18 - OTTO RESIDENTS ARE REMINDED OUR
40:21 - CORE RATE. IT'S AN IMPORTANT
40:23 - DATA IN A ARENAS IS AT
40:25 - AN ACE. THIS THING WAS A BIT
40:27 - YOU'LL TARDINESS FROM
40:29 - OCCASIONAL PARTY.
40:32 - AND GILLESPIE THE UCB ARE THE
40:34 - COURT REMANDED BECAUSE
40:36 - THE E EMPLOYER MERELY US LINE
40:39 - POINTS TO IT AND EARNS OF
40:41 - TARDINESS ROUTE AND ISN'T
40:43 - THAT OUT AND IT'S HITTING WHAT
40:44 - KIND OF PERSON MISSED WORK AND
40:46 - OR BELIEF THAT WAS IMPORTANT
40:47 - UNDERSTAND
40:48 - WHY YES, WE'RE CAN OR WILL MISS
40:51 - A GREAT MAN WAS ASSOCIATED WITH
40:52 - THEM. SO WE THINK THE SAME KIND
40:54 - OF LOGIC THAT A QUITE A
40:55 - SITUATION LIKE THIS YOUR HONOR.
40:58 - >>SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING US TO
40:59 - ESTABLISH ANY HARD AND FAST
41:01 - BRIGHT-LINE RULE ON THE BACKS
41:04 - TO MAKE BUT IN THIS BUT BASED
41:06 - ON THE FACTS OF THIS CASE
41:08 - BECAUSE IT WAS A BUCK FOR
41:09 - SITUATION BUT FOR THAT.
41:12 - INCIDENT IN SEPTEMBER HE WOULD
41:14 - NOT HAVE BEEN TERMINATED.
41:16 - AND THERE HE DISPUTED IT.
41:18 - AT THE TIME THAT
41:19 - AND THERE WERE NO FINDINGS MADE
41:21 - BY THE COURT THAT ALL THAT
41:22 - TAKEN TOGETHER THE RECENT TO
41:24 - HAVE.
41:25 - SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD NOW
41:27 - IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO
41:27 - HAVE TO MAKE A FINDING. WELL WE
41:30 - HOPE
41:31 - TO DO. WE I'M SORRY WE THINK
41:34 - THAT THE RECORD IS ABOUT ENOUGH
41:36 - AREA THAT THE COURT COULD MAKE
41:37 - A DECISION.
41:39 - >>THERE'S NO FINDINGS BY THE
41:40 - COURT AT THIS POINT. HOWEVER.
41:44 - THAT QUESTION I GUESS IS THAT
41:46 - THIS CASE
41:46 - IS THAT WITHOUT THERE BEING A
41:49 - FINAL WARNING WE WOULDN'T BE
41:50 - HERE TODAY SO WE WOULD SUGGEST
41:52 - THAT WILLING BE THAT. WHERE
41:55 - WHERE THE I WILL MISCONDUCT
41:57 - WITH A Q AND A ON A FINAL
41:59 - WARNING BEING ISSUED. AT I
42:02 - DON'T MORNING. MAYBE REVIEW ALL
42:04 - UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCE.
42:07 - >>SO HOW ARE
42:07 - YOU ARTICULATE THE PRINCIPLE OF
42:10 - LAW THAT IS LIKE THE COURT TO
42:11 - ESTABLISH WITH RESPECT TO THE
42:13 - FINAL WARNING CASES.
42:17 - >>THAT WEAR DOWN THE FINAL
42:18 - WARNING IS THE CENTRAL TO FIND
42:21 - IT WILL MISCONDUCT. IT OUGHT TO
42:23 - BE REPEALED.
42:27 - >>COUNCIL
42:29 - LOCAL COP MISCONDUCT HORIZON
42:31 - CIRCUS. THEY COULD BE TOTALLY
42:33 - INDEPENDENT OF THE POT
42:35 - O C. IF PROGRESS OF POLICY AND
42:37 - ALSO THE ATTENDANCE POLICY IN
42:39 - OTHER WORDS. OK MISS
42:41 - POTTER BY DEFINITION WOULD BE A
42:44 - VIOLATION OF ALL SEA, BUT IT
42:45 - COULD
42:45 - ALSO BE ACTION THAT'S TAKEN
42:47 - AGAINST YOU YOU CLEARER
42:49 - VIOLATION OF ANOTHER RULE
42:51 - AND IF IT IS A VIOLATION OF
42:53 - ANOTHER RULE WOULDN'T THAT
42:54 - WARNING THAT HAPPY BEING THE 2
42:56 - SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN AND A NEW
42:58 - RULE.
42:59 - >>UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES,
43:00 - YES, YOUR HONOR, BUT HE REALLY
43:01 - HAVE IS DETERMINING A FAN
43:04 - WAS HER ERNST
43:06 - WAS IT THE CLAIM THAT MISSED A
43:07 - MEETING OF REWORK MEETING.
43:09 - WHICH IS NEARLY WE THANK ALL
43:11 - THE ATTENDANT POLICY IN THE
43:12 - EMPLOYER HERE. IT MAINTAINED
43:14 - ITS AND ITS POLICY AND UNDER
43:16 - THAT KIND OF POLICY 24 POINTS
43:19 - REQUIRED TO JUSTIFY OR WARRANT.
43:21 - A NATION. ALSO THE PLAYER HERE
43:24 - ACTUALLY HAD
43:25 - POLICY WHAT THE REST THE
43:26 - SEPARATING OF THAT IT ELECTED
43:28 - NOT TO USE THAT POLICY AND IT
43:31 - SHOWS INSTEAD TO
43:33 - CLASSIFIED MISSING AND
43:35 - REWORK MEETING, LET'S SEE WHAT
43:37 - PAY FOR WOMEN AND FOR ANY
43:38 - ATTENDANCE, THOSE REALLY WORK
43:39 - RELATED.
43:41 - IT SHOWS SELECT DO NOT ALL THAT
43:44 - KIND OF POLICY THE SIGN
43:45 - AND UNDER A PROGRESSIVE THIS
43:47 - MAN POLICY WASN'T WHOLLY
43:48 - SEPARATE DOCUMENT. I DON'T
43:51 - THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE
43:51 - TODAY AND I AGREE WITH YOU ITS
43:53 - 3RD PLACE ON THE JURY FOR
43:54 - INSTANCE WHICH IS THE CASE THAT
43:56 - REPORT CITES 2. IN WHICH IT
43:59 - SENT NONBINDING INDIAN IN THAT
44:02 - CASE,
44:02 - THE CLAIMANT. A SERIES OF
44:05 - REALLY REGIS INCIDENTS
44:06 - INVOLVING THERE ARE NOW 700
44:09 - PRACTITIONER, NOT A FINALIST
44:11 - AND WAS WHERE CLAIMANT.
44:15 - YOUNG WITH A HEART AND MANAGE.
44:17 - HAITIAN AND OR SULLY TRY TO
44:19 - ADMINISTER MEDICATION AND THE
44:21 - BRUISING THE NATION AND I THINK
44:23 - WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT THAT
44:24 - EVENT IN AND OF ITSELF WILL BE
44:25 - WHAT
44:26 - MISCONDUCT BEST. NOW WE HAVE AN
44:28 - AUTHENTIC TASTE OF THIS THINGS
44:29 - SIMPLE AROUND THE CASE AND ARE
44:31 - ON.
44:32 - >>YOU'RE SAYING AS LONG
44:33 - AS THE WEEK HAS RELATIVE TO ITS
44:35 - SUBJECT MATTER THAT WAS COVERED
44:36 - BY THE POLICY WE HAVE TO
44:38 - CONSIDER THE POLICY AND WE CAN
44:40 - CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
44:44 - >>I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF
44:45 - QUESTION CORRECTLY
44:46 - HER HONOR. THE COURT IS ALWAYS
44:48 - FREE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT LIKE
44:49 - AND SHARE IT WHICH WAS CLEARLY
44:51 - A COURAGEOUS AND AND AGAINST
44:53 - THE INTERESTS OF EMPLOYER
44:55 - AT UNITY, EVEN IF THE POLICY
44:57 - CAN DIRECTLY ADDRESS IT.
44:58 - AT THIS COURSE RATE REVIEW THAT
45:00 - AS WELL SO IN THE END OF THE
45:02 - POLICY BUT THAT'S NOT ALL WE
45:03 - HAVE HERE WE HAVE A A
45:04 - SITUATION WHERE THE POLICY DID
45:07 - ADDRESS THIS
45:07 - SPECIFIC INSTANCE, AND THE
45:09 - EMPLOYER IN THE PORT ELECTED
45:11 - NOT TO LIKE THAT ALL THE SEA
45:13 - AND IT ALL.
45:15 - >>YOUR POINT KHALAF I THINK IS
45:16 - WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REASON
45:17 - FOR THE TERMINATION AND THE
45:19 - BOARD FOUND IS FACT THAT THEY
45:20 - WERE TERMINATED FOR VIOLATING
45:21 - THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE
45:22 - POLICY. SO WE DON'T LOOK AT
45:24 - ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE REASON
45:26 - FOR THE TERMINATION.
45:31 - >>I UNDERSTAND A QUESTION
45:32 - CORRECTLY THAT THE COURT DID
45:34 - FIND A VIOLATION OF THAT.
45:35 - THIS IS THE RIGHT POLICY WAS IT
45:37 - PLAY HERE. WE WOULD ASK THE
45:39 - COURT TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE
45:41 - EMPLOYER'S POLICY INSTITUTE AND
45:42 - A SEPARATE POLICY THAT AND GET
45:44 - REST THIS
45:45 - SEPARATING INCIDENT. AND OR
45:48 - ELECTED NOT TO USE IT UNDER THE
45:49 - GUISE THAT.
45:53 - GOING
45:53 - REVIEWING A. I DON'T WARNING IS
45:57 - A BRIDGE TOO FAR AND WOULD
45:58 - SUGGEST S.
46:01 - IT SHOULD BE UNDER IT ON IN A
46:03 - CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THAT ARE WE.
46:08 - >>INNOCENCE SAYING THAT THE
46:10 - COURT SHOULD ORDER THE HIM.
46:12 - >>IN.
46:12 - >>CLAIMANTS SHOULD HAVE THE
46:13 - ABILITY TO TEST THE REASON THAT
46:16 - THE EMPLOYER PROVIDED.
46:22 - >>WELL IN THIS IN THIS
46:23 - INSTANCE. CLAIMANT
46:26 - WAS YES AND A FINAL WARNING
46:28 - THE ONLY THE ONLY WAY FOR HIM
46:30 - TO CHALLENGE THAT FINAL WORD
46:31 - TIME. IT'S A LITTLE LEE SCRATCH
46:33 - OFF THE WORD AGREE. I WASN'T
46:35 - AND WE TELL US AT
46:37 - THE TIME AND OR IT WAS A
46:39 - MEANINGLESS ACT AS WELL AND WE
46:41 - THINK IT OUGHT TO BE MEANINGFUL
46:42 - AND THEN A LAWYER DOES ISSUE OF
46:44 - A BASELESS. THAT'S OUR OPINION.
46:47 - IT IS A FINAL WARNING AND THAT
46:50 - THE PENALTY, THE ULTIMATE AND
46:51 - THEN THAT LED TO DETERMINATION
46:54 - THAT OUGHT TO BE SUBJECT TO
46:55 - REVIEW.
46:56 - >>THANKS JOE WHAT WAS THE
46:57 - STATED REASON FOR.
47:00 - >>BUT HARTMAN
47:00 - JUST CHARRED BROWN GOING TO THE
47:03 - MEETING OR WHETHER AND BY THE
47:05 - WAY YOU'RE UNDER A FINAL
47:07 - WARNING WITH THAT PART OF THE
47:08 - NOTICE.
47:10 - >>THAT THE TERMINATION NOTICE
47:11 - LISTED THE MISSING THE MEETING
47:13 - HAS BEEN AND THE SEPARATING
47:15 - INCIDENT.
47:20 - >>BUT WHAT THEY PUT THAT OUT
47:21 - WHY THAT WAS A SEPARATE
47:23 - INCIDENT, BUT SHE WOULD BOTH
47:24 - THE QUEEN WAS FIRED FOR
47:25 - VIOLATING THE PROGRESSIVE
47:26 - DISCIPLINE POLICY.
47:31 - >>YES, THAT'S HOW THE EMPLOYER
47:32 - AND THE BOARD RIGHT. INVENT
47:35 - YES.
47:37 - >>SO THE QUESTION IS IN YOUR
47:38 - POINT.
47:40 - WHETHER SHE WAS LATE FOR THE
47:41 - MEETING OR NOT
47:43 - THE TERMINATION WAS DUE
47:44 - THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE
47:45 - POLICY AND YOU YOUR CLIENT
47:48 - SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXAMINE AT
47:50 - LEAST ONE INCIDENT BACK TO BE
47:53 - WHETHER THAT WAS WILLFUL
47:54 - MISCONDUCT.
48:03 - >>AFTER THAT
48:05 - >>YOU DID NOT RESERVE ANY TIME
48:06 - FOR REBUTTAL.
48:08 - >>DO YOU WISH FOR A BOTTLE.
48:12 - AT 13 MINUTES.
48:18 - >>ALL RIGHT,
48:19 - I'M SORRY.
48:20 - I'M SORRY I'M A REQUEST ONE
48:22 - MINUTE REBUTTAL AND YOU.
48:23 - >>ALL RIGHT. AND WE WELL.
48:27 - >>GO MISS WOOD.
48:31 - >>MAY IT PLEASE
48:31 - THE COURT CAN DENISE WOULD
48:33 - REPRESENT THE UNEMPLOYMENT
48:34 - COMPENSATION BOARD REVIEWING
48:36 - THIS MATTER AND THIS MATTER THE
48:38 - PLAN IT WAS DISCHARGED FOR
48:39 - WILLFUL MISCONDUCT.
48:41 - IF YOU'RE GOING TO CLAIM THAT
48:43 - BECAUSE HE FINALLY AGGRESSIVE
48:44 - THIS POLICY COULD POINTS LEADER
48:47 - ITS ATTENDANCE POLICY. IT WOULD
48:48 - BE TO START FOR
48:49 - ANOTHER STUDENT. DESPITE THE
48:51 - NOTICES, INCLUDING LESS IN
48:53 - JEOPARDY PLANTS I
48:56 - JUST REACTED TOOK THE MAN INTO
48:57 - THE MEETING CLAIMANTS LIVER
48:59 - FAILURE TO ATTEND THAT MADE IT
49:01 - 20 LOCAL MISCONDUCT. CLAIMING
49:04 - TO BE TRUE THAT YOU GET THAT
49:05 - CALLS FOR A STATE WITH 10
49:06 - MINUTES REMAINING IN FACT HE
49:08 - DOESN'T SEEM TO
49:08 - TRY TO HE TOLD HIS SUPERVISORS
49:11 - FORGOT ABOUT IT
49:11 - HE OVERSLEPT SO PAGE 10 OF THEM
49:14 - THAT TREND MEETING WAS NOT IN
49:16 - ORANGE IS DIRECTED TO ATTEND
49:17 - IT NOT. ALSO GIVES HE WOULD LET
49:21 - LET'S PLAY WHAT IF YOU DO IT
49:22 - THEY WE AGREE WITH YOU, LET'S
49:24 - SAY.
49:25 - >>THAT EVENT GOING TO HIT THE
49:28 - MEETING WAS WILLFUL MISCONDUCT.
49:30 - BUT IN THE FIRE. THE CLAIMANT
49:32 - FOR THAT EVENT HE FIRED THE
49:33 - CLAIMANT FOR
49:34 - AND VIOLATING THE PROGRESSIVE
49:38 - DISCIPLINE POLICY DIRECTOR.
49:42 - >>YEAH SO SO THEN THE
49:44 - QUESTION BECOMES IF YOUR FIRE
49:46 - FOR THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE
49:47 - POLICY SHOULDN'T BE EMPLOYEE
49:49 - HAVE THE ABILITY.
49:51 - >>TO CHALLENGE. THE WHAT YOU
49:54 - WOULD HAVE TO PROVE
49:55 - WHICH IS I GET THAT QUESTION
49:58 - WHO HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF DO
49:59 - YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROVING
50:01 - EVERY INCIDENT THAT
50:03 - LED UP TO THE ACCUMULATION
50:06 - OF POINTS OR DO YOU SIMPLY HAVE
50:08 - TO PROVE THE LAST INCIDENT.
50:12 - >>IF I MAY THIS
50:13 - WAS AN ACCUMULATION OF POINTS
50:15 - THIS WAS A VIOLATION REST OF
50:17 - DISTANT POLICY
50:17 - IN FACT, IT CLEARS THE SHORT
50:19 - SIDE DOESN'T EVEN MENTION IT AS
50:21 - I SEE ONLY THE FACT THAT HE
50:22 - DIDN'T I THINK DIRECTIVE.
50:24 - AND NO I DON'T WANT TO WHAT
50:26 - DIRECTION. TO ATTEND A
50:28 - MANDATORY MEETING.
50:31 - >>I THOUGHT THAT I THOUGHT THE
50:32 - FIRING HERE WAS BECAUSE THE
50:34 - WILLFUL MISCONDUCT WITH A
50:35 - VIOLATION OF
50:35 - PROGRESSIVE POLITICS.
50:37 - >>WHICH WAS PAID TO ATTEND THE
50:39 - MEDITERRANEAN, IT'S A MINOR
50:40 - OFFENSE AND PROGRESSIVE POLICY
50:42 - TO DO THAT
50:43 - AND ALSO THE HR SE THAT
50:45 - PRESENTING TO TESTIFY THE
50:47 - ATTENDANCE POLICY AND AND GUYS
50:49 - IT'S LIKE EACH OTHER, BUT.
50:51 - TRIMMING THE VET WITH THE
50:53 - COUNTY TO ATTEND
50:53 - THAT MEETING.
50:54 - >>IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I
50:55 - UNDERSTAND AND I'M ASKING YOU
50:57 - TO SORT OF A DIFFERENT
50:57 - QUESTION.
51:00 - SO IF THERE IS A FIRING BECAUSE
51:02 - THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE AND
51:03 - POLICY AND IT ALL THERE'S A
51:05 - LAUGH INCIDENT TO GET YOU TO
51:06 - THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE.
51:08 - >>YOU REALLY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO
51:09 - TO TRANSPORT. YEAH I WAS LATE.
51:12 - I'M HOME AND THAT GIVES ME THAT
51:15 - ACCORDING TO THE EMPLOYERS GIVE
51:16 - ME 20 POINT TO MANY PEOPLE ARE
51:17 - CAN FIRE ME
51:19 - OTHERWISE IT'S A MINOR OFFENSE
51:20 - THAT MIGHT GET A PENSION.
51:22 - DOES THE EMPLOYER IF THE REASON
51:24 - FOR TERMINATING A PROGRESSIVE
51:25 - DISCIPLINE POLICY HAVE HEARD OF
51:27 - SHOWING THAT EVERY INCIDENT
51:29 - THAT CAUSED THE ACCUMULATION OF
51:31 - THE POINT WAS WELCOME TO
51:33 - CONTACT THEM OR MAYBE EVEN NOT
51:36 - THAT JUST OCCURRED.
51:38 - >>NO YOUR HONOR THAT WOULD BE
51:39 - UNWORKABLE FOR THE FRIENDLY
51:41 - COMPETITION SYSTEM IN ALSO.
51:44 - THE BOARD THE CAN YOU JUST
51:47 - ADDRESS AND HOW IS THAT GOING
51:48 - TO BE UNWORKABLE I MEAN THE.
51:50 - >>NOT ONLY DOES THE EMPLOYER TO
51:52 - AN EMPLOYMENT
51:52 - AGENCY EMPLOYEE. AND IT COMES
51:55 - OUT OF THIS PICNIC SO WHY
51:56 - WOULDN'T.
51:58 - I WAS GOING TO BE ON WORK OF
51:59 - WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE AT
52:00 - YOUR BEST.
52:02 - >>CONSIDER YOUR HONOR, THE FACT
52:03 - THAT WE HAVE NOT GOING TO OFFER
52:04 - THESE MEETINGS THERE'S
52:05 - NO DISCOVERY. THEY'RE VERY
52:08 - QUICKLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PAY
52:09 - PEOPLE THERE ARE BENEFITS OR
52:11 - TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE NOT
52:12 - LIABLE TO
52:15 - >>HERE WE SAW ONE MINUTE, I
52:16 - MEAN THE PURPOSE OF
52:19 - THE STATUTE. WE DIDN'T MANAGE
52:21 - AREA PURPOSE AS OPPOSED TO
52:23 - WE'VE ONLY A LOT OF IT. WELL
52:26 - MINUTES WE'RE HEARING.
52:28 - >>NO YOUR HONOR BUT THE FACT
52:30 - THAT YOU'RE ADDING THAT MUCH
52:31 - MORE OF A BIRD TO THE EMPLOYER
52:32 - THAT MUCH MORE EVIDENCE THAT
52:34 - MANY MORE WITNESSES THAT MUCH
52:35 - MORE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT.
52:37 - >>WELL MY LAWYER HAS TREATED
52:38 - ITS STORY INCORRECTLY SHOULDN'T
52:40 - WE TAKE THE TIME TO YOU THAT.
52:45 - THE FACT THAT HE WAS MORE
52:46 - PROGRESSIVE JUST IN TIME SO
52:47 - I SPENT.
52:48 - >>AND RICHARD AND OTHER CASE ON
52:51 - ISSUE A WARNING IGNORED THE
52:53 - WARNING
52:53 - AND THEN IN CRIME AND STUDENT
52:56 - THE FACT THAT HE WAS BORN
52:57 - EXPRESS RELEVANT
52:58 - HERE NOT WHAT PROMPTED THE
53:03 - QUESTION.
53:04 - >>THE EMPLOYER DOES THE FACTS
53:06 - ARE ACCURATE AND THAT HE WAS
53:08 - NOT THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF
53:10 - POINTS BECAUSE HE WAS TREATED
53:11 - UNFAIRLY CAN RELATE. HE WANTS
53:14 - A DRESS. HE ADMITS TO SLEEPING
53:17 - THROUGH THAT'S A NON-ISSUE.
53:20 - BUT HOW WE GOT TO THE
53:21 - PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE.
53:23 - ALLEGEDLY MEETING THE CORRECT
53:24 - NUMBER OF POINTS. WHAT IS IN
53:26 - DISPUTE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
53:28 - IS THE CASE. WE'RE ONLY
53:30 - DECIDING
53:31 - THIS CASE. WHY CAN'T BE RIGHT
53:34 - BECOMES A NIGHTMARE FOR THE
53:35 - BOARD OR
53:36 - THE EMPLOYER.
53:37 - >>HE'S SITTING ON THE SONY GOES
53:39 - BACK TO SEPTEMBER THAT'S WHEN
53:40 - DEFYING WARNINGS GIVEN AND THEN
53:42 - NOVEMBER IS WHEN HE
53:43 - WAS FIRED. BUT IT ISN'T BACK
53:44 - HERE TO THAT SPECULATIVE.
53:46 - BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT IT'S
53:48 - WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY
53:49 - AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THIS
53:51 - EMPLOYEE WAS OR IS
53:52 - THAT ISSUE. HE SAID GIVE ME
53:56 - WHAT WAS HE WARNED. WHAT DOES
53:58 - THE
53:58 - WARNING TRACK.
54:00 - >>IT IS THAT IF YOU'RE LATE FOR
54:01 - WORK IF IF YOUR YOUR APARTMENT
54:04 - TIME.
54:05 - >>CRASH. YOU'RE AT YOUR DESK IS
54:07 - FIRED ON THE WAR.
54:10 - FINALLY AND THIS IS TREY IT IN
54:12 - THE RECORD.
54:13 - >>YES, IT'S IN THE RECORD SAID
54:14 - THAT ANOTHER STUDENT WOULD LEAD
54:15 - TO HIS TERMINATION AND IN FACT
54:17 - THE WE CAN IN THAT WHAT IS AND
54:20 - WHAT IF YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T
54:22 - GROW TO THE OFFICE PARTIES AND
54:24 - THAT AN INCIDENT.
54:26 - I THINK YOU DON'T LOOK AT THE
54:27 - SEPARATELY IF YOU DO YOU GET
54:29 - DISCHARGE FOR EACH ONE.
54:31 - >>IT'S A
54:31 - CUMULATIVE WELL.
54:32 - >>MY PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'RE
54:34 - PAYING A WARNING EVERY EMPLOYER
54:38 - WANT TO AVOID.
54:39 - >>AND ON EMPLOYMENT CLAIM FOR
54:42 - COMPENSATION.
54:43 - >>ISSUES A WARNING.
54:45 - >>WHETHER IT IS OUR HOT.
54:48 - >>THAT THAT WERE FIRST TO A
54:50 - QUOTE ANOTHER INCIDENT AND THEN
54:53 - AND.
54:54 - >>WHAT THE EMPLOYER 100 TO THE
54:56 - OTHER BOARDS IN
54:58 - THE NECK, BECOME THE BASIS FOR
55:00 - GETTING US
55:00 - SOCCER UNEMPLOYMENT AND
55:02 - REMEMBER EMPLOYERS CAN FIRE FOR
55:04 - ANY REASON OR NO REASON TO LIKE
55:06 - ARE BOUND BY A UNION CONTRACT.
55:09 - WELL OUR QUESTION IS
55:10 - WHETHER THIS.
55:14 - EMPLOYEE WHOSE DISCHARGES
55:16 - IS ELIGIBLE FOR COMPENSATION
55:19 - BENEFITS.
55:21 - TOTALLY 2 INQUIRIES.
55:25 - BUT DO I
55:26 - UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION THAT A
55:27 - FINAL WARNING FOR AN END TO
55:29 - THAT IS.
55:31 - IT HER BEST DISPOSITIVE.
55:35 - >>I THINK IT IS HERE BECAUSE HE
55:36 - IGNORED IT.
55:39 - IT
55:39 - ONLY BEEN THEM AN ETERNITY YOU
55:41 - HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED I AGREE
55:42 - WITH THAT IN FACT THAT'S THE
55:43 - COURT SAID THAT MORE OR LESS
55:45 - BUT THE THAT'S A DISTANT POLICY
55:47 - THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT BUILDS
55:49 - ON ITSELF THAT SEAT, THE PLAY
55:51 - IS WHAT DID EACH STEP IF HE
55:54 - DOES BUT AGAIN IT WILL BE
55:56 - CONSEQUENCES.
55:59 - WHAT DOES THIS
55:59 - THEM SAWYER BUT I WOULD THINK
56:01 - THE SPARTANS FIRST TIME WHY
56:03 - THIS WOULD BE BOY WE DON'T HAVE
56:06 - THE RIGHT TO DO THAT IF THE
56:07 - EMPLOYER WANTS TO AVOID.
56:09 - >>HAVING AN EMPLOYEE A RAISE.
56:12 - THEN IT'S ON THE EMPLOYERS TO
56:13 - MAKE SURE ITS POLICIES ARE
56:15 - CLEAR AND RAISE EVERYTHING OUT
56:17 - OF ME CLAIMING THERE'S NO LE TO
56:20 - DO THAT
56:21 - AND HERE THE CLAIMING ALREADY
56:22 - AND RAISE THE DECK TO
56:24 - OBJECTIONS TO THE PROGRESSIVE
56:25 - DISCIPLINE YOU WANT
56:27 - AND THEN THERE WAS A CLARITY AS
56:29 - YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO
56:30 - TAKE FOR HIM TO GET FIRED.
56:34 - WITH RESPECT YOUR HONOR I
56:35 - THINK CLOSE OUT THE WEEK BEFORE
56:37 - THE MENTORING HE WAS TOLD HE
56:39 - WASN'T ON TIME FOR MEETINGS IN
56:40 - THE FUTURE THAT HE IS.
56:41 - >>AND WHEN THAT WOULD BE
56:42 - IN JEOPARDY. HE DIDN'T GO
56:44 - OVERSLEPT AND HE FORGOT.
56:47 - I MEAN POISON HERE AT THIS
56:51 - POINT SIMPLY
56:51 - DIDN'T OTHER.
56:52 - >>WELL I THINK IT'S THE ISSUE
56:54 - OF SCHOOL THIS IS LIKE YOU CAN
56:57 - TERMINATE EMPLOYEES OR YOU KNOW
56:59 - FLYING WITH.
57:02 - POLICIES
57:03 - OR DICTATES BUT IN THIS SO
57:06 - THESE FACTS. BEING GIVEN
57:08 - THE AIR TO WHICH INJECT INTO
57:11 - WHICH
57:11 - HE DOES FROST OUT THAT I BE
57:14 - LIKE YOU KNOW WE REALLY COMES
57:15 - IN
57:15 - AND SAYS I AGREE I UNDERSTAND
57:18 - HE CROSSED, YEAH THERE'S
57:19 - NOTHING ELSE HE COULD DO.
57:21 - AT THAT POINT AND
57:23 - THAT VERY INCIDENT BECAME THE
57:26 - BASIS FOR HIM
57:28 - TO BE CHAIRMAN FOR WHAT IS A
57:29 - MINOR OFFENSE. WHICH IF YOU
57:32 - WILL AND IT ENDED POLICIES WILL
57:34 - HAVE
57:34 - THE POINTS. IT IS A MINOR
57:36 - OFFENSE AND IT SUGGESTED
57:38 - PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE IN ME
57:40 - BECAUSE IT.
57:41 - THOSE HELP US SORT OF ABILITY
57:44 - SITTING BOY TOO.
57:49 - PLANE THAT MADE
57:50 - AGAINST THEM.
57:51 - SO IT DID NOT HAVE IT HERE AND
57:53 - SO THE IDEA IS WHITE LET'S SEND
57:55 - IT BACK TO THE OR YOU CAN FIND.
57:58 - AND THAT IF SHE IF THAT'S OR
58:00 - WHICH I'M SURE.
58:02 - >>BECAUSE IT CREATES A BURDEN
58:04 - YOUR HONOR
58:04 - ON BOTH THE LORD FOR ANY
58:07 - EMPLOYEE IF YOU GO BACK.
58:10 - IT SHOULD BE WILLING TO SAYS
58:11 - THAT EACH FIRE INCIDENTS OF
58:13 - MISCONDUCT
58:17 - ON SKIS
58:18 - ME JUST WE CAN'T MAKE A RULE
58:20 - THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BACK
58:21 - X NUMBER IN EVERY INSTANCE WITH
58:24 - PEOPLE IN THIS CASE ON THAT.
58:26 - SO SO FAST IN THIS CASE YOU
58:28 - HAVE TO GO BACK AND
58:30 - INTRODUCE EVIDENCE WE HAVE TO
58:32 - CREATE WITNESSES FOR THIS
58:33 - PURPOSE, I
58:34 - WITNESS IT. IT'S A LOT OF
58:36 - COVERED FOR BETTY WE'RE IN WE
58:38 - HAVE TO GO BACK IT'S ALWAYS THE
58:40 - FOCUS IS ON I DON'T USE IT.
58:43 - TRIGGERED DISCHARGE AND DOCTORS
58:45 - I THINK WE SHOULD STAND WITH
58:46 - THAT.
58:48 - >>WHEN I I I APPRECIATE THAT
58:50 - I THINK I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A
58:52 - VERY A GOOD.
58:55 - A POLICY ARGUMENT.
58:58 - I THINK WHAT I'M CONCERNED
59:00 - ABOUT AND I THINK SOME OF THE
59:01 - OTHERS ARE CONCERNED
59:02 - ABOUT SAYS. THE ONLY GROUP TO
59:05 - LET SOME PLOY OR.
59:07 - WHO WANT TO
59:09 - GET RID NOT ONLY GET RID
59:12 - EMPLOYEE BUT ALSO WANT TO AVOID
59:14 - UNEMPLOYMENT COP
59:16 - AND MAKE HER CASE.
59:19 - A VIOLATION. PRESIDENT A LETTER
59:22 - AND DATE YOU
59:23 - DID ACT. NEXT NEXT ONE THE NEXT
59:26 - 3 TO 4 NEXT ONE YOU YOU'RE
59:28 - GOING TO GET FIRED NO MATTER
59:29 - HOW MINOR IT IS.
59:31 - EMPLOYEE GOES WHAT THE HACK.
59:34 - AND THEY SAY WELL YOU CAN AGREE
59:36 - OR NOT AGREE WITH THAT CRIME
59:37 - BUT WE'RE GIVING YOU NOTICE OF
59:39 - IT AND THEN THE NEXT LO AND
59:41 - BEHOLD WE HAVE A BAD DAY AND
59:43 - THEY MISS A MEETING AND
59:44 - THEY'RE FIRED.
59:45 - >>YOUR RULE WOULD
59:48 - BASICALLY SAY.
59:49 - >>BAD AS THAT OF COURSE IS
59:51 - GREAT DEAL OF COMBAT CAN NEVER
59:53 - BE CHECKED.
59:55 - >>YOUR SPACE X ON ITEMS.
59:57 - BUT EVEN IF IT WAS HERE.
59:59 - 860 WHAT ABOUT THE UNSCRUPULOUS
01:00 - 03.180 EMPLOYEE. HE HAD BEEN WARNED
01:00 - 05.610 REPEATEDLY THAT HE WAS ON A LOT
01:00 - 07.060 OF HEAT. WELL
01:00 - 09.490 TO ME NOR DID DIRECTED US TO
01:00 - 11.430 A LAWYER. WHY SHOULD HE BE
01:00 - 12.780 REWARDED FOR HAVING DONE THAT.
01:00 - 16.880 >>COURT IS SAYING IS JETS.
01:00 - 18.760 THERE'S ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE
01:00 - 21.540 THAT HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED.
01:00 - 24.770 ANALYZED. OKAY WE'RE HERE HAS
01:00 - 26.630 BECOME THE JUDGE THE JURY AND
01:00 - 29.070 THE PROSECUTOR AND THE HIM OR
01:00 - 31.470 HE IS BACK WITH NO RECOURSE.
01:00 - 34.860 WE SPENT ALL OR YOU PAY
01:00 - 36.890 THE EMPLOYEE ALSO PAID INTO THE
01:00 - 38.670 BENEFIT ON JUST LIKE
01:00 - 41.070 THE CORNER. THERE SHOULD BE AN
01:00 - 42.950 OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE
01:00 - 45.250 CIRCUMSTANCES IN ORDER TO
01:00 - 48.070 RECEIVE HUMANITARIAN BENEFITS.
01:00 - 50.530 >>I THINK THAT WAS DONE HERE
01:00 - 51.860 YOUR HONOR WITH I WENT.
01:00 - 54.330 WELL I DON'T THINK THAT SHE
01:00 - 55.280 WAS BORN.
01:00 - 58.670 >>AND EVEN IT CONCEDING NOT
01:00 - 59.660 REALLY CONCEDING BUT
01:01 - 03.290 IT REALLY WASN'T A PROPER
01:01 - 05.550 WARNING. GET THE FINAL WORD.
01:01 - 08.320 I IT'S UP TO THE EMPLOYEE THAT
01:01 - 09.680 HE WAS WANTED AND HE JUST KEPT
01:01 - 11.040 UP TO SPEED HERE. THAT'S
01:01 - 14.120 WHAT MISCONDUCT. YOU KNOW, I'M.
01:01 - 16.450 >>AND SO YOUR POSITION AS EVEN
01:01 - 18.350 AN HONEST FOUNDER FINAL
01:01 - 19.150 WARNING.
01:01 - 22.960 AND BEYOND REVIEW
01:01 - 24.790 BECAUSE THE
01:01 - 28.390 EMPLOYEE THERE RESPONSIBILITY
01:01 - 28.890 FOR
01:01 - 31.650 DOING SOMETHING AND VIOLATIONS
01:01 - 31.980 FINAL
01:01 - 35.320 >>WHERE THE VIOLENT INCIDENT
01:01 - 37.110 AND THE BURDEN ON THE SYSTEM
01:01 - 39.630 HAD TO GO BACK AND IT ISN'T SO
01:01 - 40.340 I MISSED.
01:01 - 41.700 >>THE FORCE THAT CAN SEE THE
01:01 - 45.070 >>THE LAW PROVIDES TO PROCESS
01:01 - 47.170 MY 12 AND A HALF MEN ARE
01:01 - 47.840 DUE PROCESS.
01:01 - 50.220 >>BUT JUST NOT YOU CAN SAY
01:01 - 51.750 BECAUSE THE BURDEN OF SOME THEY
01:01 - 53.470 DON'T GET THAT U.S. BACKED OUT
01:01 - 54.220 ON A REAL
01:01 - 56.710 LOSS THAT IS FOUNDER THEM OUR
01:01 - 58.980 CONSTITUTION, EITHER ONE THING
01:01 - 00.180 OR UNITED STATES.
01:02 - 02.820 >>RESPECT YOUR HONOR. I
01:02 - 04.840 HATE THAT IN CLARE AND IN CLEAR
01:02 - 06.650 GIVEN ADEQUATE TIME TO GET WITH
01:02 - 09.520 ON A STUDENT AND IN THAT IT'S I
01:02 - 10.880 THINK HEAT ITS
01:02 - 12.990 JOB BACK WITH THE U.S. IF IT
01:02 - 13.650 WAS DEFINITELY A
01:02 - 14.550 AND
01:02 - 19.120 THE EMPLOYEE PUT ON THE
01:02 - 21.240 EVIDENCE IT JUST THE BOARD AND
01:02 - 23.500 THE REFEREE THE 10 TIMES IN THE
01:02 - 23.880 BACK.
01:02 - 25.970 >>BASED ON THAT BECAUSE THAT
01:02 - 27.480 WASN'T WHAT HE WAS DISCHARGED
01:02 - 29.780 LIST OF CHARTS RIGHT HERE.
01:02 - 32.510 YOU ARE DOING THAT WE ATE
01:02 - 34.690 IT THE SCOPE AT THE VERY NARROW
01:02 - 35.460 BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE
01:02 - 38.030 MUCH TIME. BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO
01:02 - 39.800 IN THIS CASE THE TIME WE'RE
01:02 - 41.240 TALKING ABOUT IS
01:02 - 43.980 REFEREE AND THE BOARD BECAUSE
01:02 - 44.820 OF THE RECORD
01:02 - 45.480 WAS MADE.
01:02 - 48.450 >>ACCORDING TO THE LAW MISTER
01:02 - 49.810 ME TO DEATH. ALL RIGHT.
01:02 - 53.780 >>YOUR HONOR TO GO BACK WITH
01:02 - 55.640 THE WORK AND AND I DON'T THINK
01:02 - 58.030 IT'S FAIR. I THINK HE WAS
01:02 - 00.040 GIVEN'S MORNING SHOULD I DID HE
01:03 - 01.030 GET AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
01:03 - 02.980 HE SHOWED A DISREGARD FOR THIS
01:03 - 03.840 EMPLOYERS MUST.
01:03 - 07.760 >>BUT THAT'S NOT WHY YOU FIRED.
01:03 - 10.100 YOU DIDN'T FIRE HIM FOR YOU TO
01:03 - 11.810 FIRE HIM FOR SHOWING A
01:03 - 13.120 DISREGARD THE EMPLOYER'S
01:03 - 14.850 INTEREST THE TERMINATION WAS
01:03 - 16.140 FROM VIOLATING THE PROGRESSIVE
01:03 - 17.940 DISCIPLINE POLICY BASTAD
01:03 - 18.360 DIFFERENT.
01:03 - 20.300 >>WELL WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE
01:03 - 21.480 MANDATORY MEETING YOU DON'T
01:03 - 22.350 THINK THAT SHOWS IN
01:03 - 24.110 SUBORDINATION TO SPEAK, BUT I'M
01:03 - 25.360 NOT REPRESENTING THE EMPLOYER
01:03 - 26.160 HAS BEEN FIRED FOR
01:03 - 27.910 INSUBORDINATION IN THIS REGARD.
01:03 - 30.260 HE WAS FIRED FOR VIOLATING THE
01:03 - 31.830 DEATH OF DISCIPLINE POLICY.
01:03 - 34.010 CERTAINLY BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE
01:03 - 34.840 HE DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE
01:03 - 35.440 DIRECTIVE.
01:03 - 41.500 >>THERE YOU
01:03 - 45.860 IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE THAT
01:03 - 46.210 POINT.
01:03 - 50.020 >>WHAT I SAID BEFORE THIS
01:03 - 52.530 IMPORT WE WAS ENGAGED IN
01:03 - 54.900 WILLFUL MISCONDUCT. HE SAID NO
01:03 - 55.190 AND IF
01:03 - 57.030 IT PASSED WHERE TO ON THE
01:03 - 58.550 COURT'S DECISION AND I THINK
01:03 - 59.120 YOUR HANDS.
01:04 - 03.860 >>MCDERMOTT CASH.
01:04 - 07.910 >>THANK I THINK THAT THIS COURT
01:04 - 09.570 HAS HELD MANY TIMES THAT OR AN
01:04 - 11.510 EMPLOYER HAS A POLICY OR SET OF
01:04 - 13.680 POLICIES AND THEY ESTABLISHED
01:04 - 15.240 WHAT THE EMPLOYER IS WILLING TO
01:04 - 17.140 TOLERATE AS FAR AS AND
01:04 - 19.280 IN TOURISM IN THIS CASE, THE
01:04 - 21.940 LETTER AND AND AND HIS POLICY
01:04 - 23.690 ESTABLISHED THOSE GUIDELINES.
01:04 - 26.510 THE CLAIMANT YOU'RE NOT SHE CAN
01:04 - 28.990 NECESSARY POINTS JUST A FIRE
01:04 - 31.520 WARRANT IN IN A MINUTE AND FOR
01:04 - 33.030 THOSE REASONS WE WOULD ASK THAT
01:04 - 34.580 ITS COURSE REVERSE.
01:04 - 37.210 OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE RE MAN OR
01:04 - 37.530 EVERY
01:04 - 38.200 YOU LOVE.
01:04 - 40.540 >>EVENTS THAT LED UP TO THE
01:04 - 43.140 CLAIMANT THE STARS OR MISSING
01:04 - 44.230 A MEETING. IT'S
01:04 - 45.820 ULTIMATELY AN ACCIDENT AND
01:04 - 46.840 INCISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
01:04 - 48.200 REVIEWED AND REVIEWED AND ALL
01:04 - 49.200 THE SEA LITERALLY.
01:04 - 52.940 >>IF WE RE MAN FOR HER.
01:04 - 55.390 >>HEARING. I WELL LET ME ASK
01:04 - 56.620 YOU ABOUT THE RE MAN IS THE
01:04 - 58.200 RECORD COMPLETE AND YOUR.
01:05 - 03.110 >>YEAH I THINK THAT
01:05 - 04.430 THERE'S A I DO BELIEVE THERE'S
01:05 - 06.220 ENOUGH EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY
01:05 - 09.320 ON THE NUMBER 7. I MEANT
01:05 - 12.670 OR 8 GREAT UNITY CONDUCTED THIS
01:05 - 14.110 IS AS THE MONEY ON THAT ISSUE.
01:05 - 15.150 EMPLOYERS
01:05 - 16.690 WHO REPORTED SURVIVOR OF THAT
01:05 - 17.860 PLANE. IT WAS PRESENTLY HERE
01:05 - 19.280 AND TESTIFY AS TO WHAT HAPPENED
01:05 - 20.670 ON THAT DAY AND THE CLAIMED
01:05 - 22.190 HIMSELF TESTED ON WHAT HAPPENED
01:05 - 22.380 NEXT.
01:05 - 24.980 AND THEN AND THERE'S DOCUMENTS
01:05 - 26.570 WHICH SUPPORT THE INCIDENT AS
01:05 - 27.080 WELL.
01:05 - 31.390 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:05 - 35.200 >>THAT CONCLUDES OUR ARGUMENT
01:05 - 36.420 ON NUMBER 9.
01:06 - 10.850 >>AND THIS
01:06 - 14.360 3RD AROUND BY SESSION NUMBER
01:06 - 17.360 60. THAT IS NOW AND HER
01:06 - 19.130 PALS SCHOOL, A
01:06 - 21.720 CHARTER SCHOOL VERSUS THE
01:06 - 23.930 WELCOMED BIRD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
01:06 - 27.220 WE HAVE THE APPEAL OF MISS
01:06 - 30.700 BELL. FROM ME. ALL DISTRICT
01:06 - 32.040 DECISION NOT TO
01:06 - 35.000 PROVIDE FREE TRANSPORTATION
01:06 - 38.360 PRIVATE BUSES. TO
01:06 - 40.240 DO THAT. OUR SCHOOL.
01:06 - 44.020 MISTER DRAFT PER YEAR.
01:06 - 47.460 REPRESENTING THE MISS BELL AND
01:06 - 48.590 THE SCHOOL.
01:06 - 49.530 >>YES, YOUR HONOR.
01:06 - 52.430 >>EACH SIDE WILL
01:06 - 53.930 BE HERE IN 15 MINUTES FOR
01:06 - 56.260 ARGUMENT MISTER GRAFF OR YOU
01:06 - 58.520 CAN READ YOUR SOME OF YOUR TIME
01:06 - 01.660 FOR REBUTTAL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
01:07 - 02.220 DO THAT.
01:07 - 03.710 >>THANK YOU YOUR HONOR I'D LIKE
01:07 - 04.910 TO RESERVE 2 MINUTES FOR
01:07 - 05.480 REBUTTAL.
01:07 - 11.080 >>AND YOU MAY BE HIM MISTER
01:07 - 11.920 STRASSBURGER.
01:07 - 15.400 >>AND MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT.
01:07 - 19.770 REPRESENT OUR SCHOOLS.
01:07 - 22.450 SAFETY FIRST.
01:07 - 24.420 THAT'S WHAT YOU TELL
01:07 - 26.450 LABOR'S BEFORE THEY START WORK
01:07 - 28.650 ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE. THAT'S
01:07 - 28.840 WHAT
01:07 - 31.080 YOU TELL HEALTH CARE WORKERS
01:07 - 32.260 WHEN TRAINING THEM TO PROVIDE
01:07 - 34.520 SERVICES AND I'M SURE THAT'S
01:07 - 36.280 WHAT THE COURAGEOUS BETTY BELLE
01:07 - 38.670 BELCHER GRANDCHILDREN EVERY
01:07 - 41.330 SINGLE DAY. THEY'VE THE FIRST.
01:07 - 44.150 ARE THE WATCHWORDS RESPONSIBLE
01:07 - 46.500 GOVERNMENTS. AND RESPONSIBLE
01:07 - 49.320 LIVER. UNLESS THAT IS
01:07 - 51.350 YOU ARE 5 YEARS OLD.
01:07 - 54.590 THE CHARTER SCHOOL OUTSIDE YOUR
01:07 - 55.180 OWN DISTRICT.
01:07 - 57.690 GRADE SCHOOL AGE CHARTER
01:07 - 00.670 STUDENTS NOW. WE'RE TOLD THE
01:08 - 02.960 WORDS SAFETY FIRST DON'T APPLY
01:08 - 03.430 TO THEM.
01:08 - 05.890 THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDES
01:08 - 08.410 BUS TRANSPORTATION. THE KIDS
01:08 - 10.890 WHO ATTEND PUBLIC SCHOOL YEAR.
01:08 - 14.430 SAFETY FIRST APPLIES TO THEM.
01:08 - 15.690 >>IN
01:08 - 17.940 QUESTION DIDN'T THE STATUTE
01:08 - 19.330 CHANGE IN ISN'T THIS AN
01:08 - 21.330 ARGUMENT OF PUBLIC POLICY
01:08 - 22.320 THAT'S BETTER MADE TO THE
01:08 - 23.700 GENERAL ASSEMBLY THEN TO THIS
01:08 - 24.120 COURT.
01:08 - 26.650 >>YOU'RE UNDER THE STATUTE DID
01:08 - 29.190 CHANGE BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE
01:08 - 31.500 STATUE. THE WORK WHICH
01:08 - 33.570 THAT WAS IN THE STATUTE IN
01:08 - 36.460 1997. IN RE INSERTED IN
01:08 - 40.370 2006. REFLECTS A CONSISTENT
01:08 - 43.440 STATUTORY EQUALIZATION.
01:08 - 45.940 TRANSPORTATION
01:08 - 48.560 AND TITLE TO CHARTER STUDENTS
01:08 - 50.580 AND PUBLIC STUDENTS. THE
01:08 - 51.990 LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE THAT
01:08 - 54.020 I'M REFERRING TO IS THE SAME
01:08 - 56.120 CONDITIONS LIKE IT WAS A
01:08 - 59.250 STATUTE IN 1997 AND REMAINS IN
01:08 - 01.020 THE STATUTE. TODAY.
01:09 - 05.020 SECTION 1726 A
01:09 - 08.160 STATES THAT THE TRANSPORTATION
01:09 - 09.120 RATES OF.
01:09 - 12.070 CHARTER STUDENTS AT PUBLIC
01:09 - 13.990 SCHOOL STUDENTS. WE TEND TO
01:09 - 15.090 DISTRICT SCHOOL.
01:09 - 19.840 MUST BE EVALUATED. THE SAME
01:09 - 20.750 CONDITIONS.
01:09 - 24.900 THE CHARTER SCHOOL EXCUSE ME IF
01:09 - 26.140 THE PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS
01:09 - 29.280 PROVIDE FOR PROVIDED A BOSS.
01:09 - 32.170 IF THEY'RE LIVING WITHIN ONE
01:09 - 33.340 0.5. I WAS.
01:09 - 37.610 THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE
01:09 - 39.860 IS UNDISPUTED WILKINSBURG
01:09 - 41.870 SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDES
01:09 - 45.180 AUSTIN TO ITS OWN
01:09 - 47.660 DISTRICT STUDENTS. BUT DID NOT
01:09 - 49.960 PROVIDE PRIVATE AH SING TOO
01:09 - 52.120 WHICH ARE STEWS INSTEAD WHAT
01:09 - 53.590 THEY DID WAS. IT
01:09 - 55.930 PROVIDED THEM PORT AUTHORITY OF
01:09 - 57.900 ALLEGHENY COUNTY CONNECT CARDS
01:09 - 59.280 WHICH WE'VE BEEN REFERRING TO
01:09 - 01.830 YOU AS A BUS PASS. IN THIS
01:10 - 03.310 COUPLE HAS BEEN AND WHERE WE
01:10 - 03.550 ARE.
01:10 - 04.820 >>I THINK WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH
01:10 - 06.900 THE FACTUAL SCENARIO THERE AND
01:10 - 07.300 WHY
01:10 - 09.480 WE'RE HERE I'M JUST WORKING
01:10 - 10.700 FROM A COUPLE
01:10 - 15.890 FROM YOU. ONE IS A B BUT PASS
01:10 - 20.140 IS OFFERED TO ALL STUDENTS IN
01:10 - 23.560 THE DISTRICT. WHO ARE ATTENDING
01:10 - 26.480 CHARTER SCHOOLS OR. PAROCHIAL
01:10 - 27.670 SCHOOLS IS THAT CORRECT.
01:10 - 29.020 >>YES, YOUR HEART.
01:10 - 31.220 >>OKAY SO THE ONLY ONES THAT
01:10 - 33.010 ARE WRITING BY TRANSPORTATION
01:10 - 34.990 TO OUR STUDENTS THAT ARE SCHOOL
01:10 - 36.460 BUS TRANSPORTATION OUR STUDENTS
01:10 - 37.440 BETTER IN THE DISTRICT
01:10 - 39.280 ATTENDING DISTRICT DISTRICT.
01:10 - 41.290 THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.
01:10 - 46.050 OK NOW THE OTHER THING I WOULD
01:10 - 49.030 LIKE YOU TO CONFIRM FOR ME IS
01:10 - 52.350 UNDER SECTION 1362 OF THE
01:10 - 53.320 SCHOOL CODE.
01:10 - 55.800 BAD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES
01:10 - 57.360 NOT NEED TO HAVE SCHOOL BUSES
01:10 - 58.880 THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN
01:10 - 00.120 MEET ITS TRANSPORTATION
01:11 - 01.950 OBLIGATIONS PURELY BY USING
01:11 - 03.420 YOUR ELECTRIC RAIL IS RATHER
01:11 - 04.440 COMMON CARRIERS.
01:11 - 08.190 >>UNDER
01:11 - 11.180 >>IF THERE
01:11 - 13.270 IS A A REQUIREMENT OF FREE
01:11 - 15.780 TRANSPORTATION, THOSE ARE SOME
01:11 - 17.750 OF THE ENUMERATED WAYS THAT
01:11 - 20.910 OBLIGATION IN THE DISCHARGE.
01:11 - 24.770 >>SO SO IF A SCHOOL DISTRICT
01:11 - 27.880 DECIDED TO ELIMINATE. SCHOOL
01:11 - 30.310 BUSES ALTOGETHER IN GO POORLY
01:11 - 31.770 COMMON CARRIER WHICH PROBABLY
01:11 - 34.330 CAN ONLY HAPPEN IN MORE URBAN
01:11 - 34.860 SETTINGS.
01:11 - 37.530 IS IT YOUR POSITION THEY ARE
01:11 - 39.410 SACRIFICING COMPROMISING THE
01:11 - 41.660 SAFETY OF THEIR STUDENTS ON
01:11 - 42.200 LAWFULLY.
01:11 - 46.410 >>I WOULD SAY YES.
01:11 - 49.100 >>4 GRADE SCHOOL STUDENTS.
01:11 - 52.790 ONE OF THE WAYS THAT SOME
01:11 - 54.890 SCHOOL DISTRICTS LIKE STEEL
01:11 - 57.070 VALLEY AND THE HOFFA CASE NOW
01:11 - 58.660 11 IT ALSO DOES THIS THEY'RE
01:11 - 00.850 WALKING DISTANCE. IF YOU WANT
01:12 - 03.400 TO CREATE. EQUALITY.
01:12 - 07.050 AVOID
01:12 - 09.890 THIS PROBLEM OF PREFERENTIAL
01:12 - 11.750 TREATMENT FOR DISTRICT STUDENTS
01:12 - 13.250 IS THAT YOU DON'T PROVIDE
01:12 - 14.850 TRANSPORTATION HOLE.
01:12 - 20.350 5 YEAR-OLD 6 YEAR-OLD
01:12 - 23.270 SEVEN-YEAR OLDS TAKE PUBLIC
01:12 - 25.230 TRANSPORTATION OR THEMSELVES.
01:12 - 28.080 IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY MIGHT
01:12 - 30.280 HAVE TO TRANSFER ONCE OR
01:12 - 32.890 EVEN TWICE AND RIDE PUBLIC
01:12 - 33.920 TRANSPORTATION.
01:12 - 37.610 FOR OVER AN HOUR TO GET TO AND
01:12 - 39.940 FROM SCHOOL EACH DAY. OUR
01:12 - 41.860 POSITION IS THAT WE NEED TO BE
01:12 - 43.160 BLESSED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
01:12 - 44.790 EDUCATION, ACCORDING TO THE
01:12 - 46.330 PENNSYLVANIA CODE SECTIONS THAT
01:12 - 48.070 WE CITED PARTICULARLY
01:12 - 51.310 23.2 23.4.
01:12 - 53.660 HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.
01:12 - 55.880 >>YOU'RE AFRAID YOU WOULD YOU
01:12 - 57.400 AGREE WITH MY PRINCIPLE THOUGH
01:12 - 59.740 THAT A SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD.
01:13 - 01.420 UNDER THE
01:13 - 03.990 SCHOOL CODE. REQUIRE THOSE
01:13 - 05.050 STUDENTS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED
01:13 - 05.570 ABOUT AND
01:13 - 09.050 ALL STUDENTS USE PUBLIC
01:13 - 10.370 TRANSPORTATION ALTHOUGH THE
01:13 - 11.290 SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO
01:13 - 12.970 PAY FOR SCHOOL CODE ALLOWS THAT
01:13 - 13.320 CORRECT.
01:13 - 16.380 >>1362 ALLOWS FOR COMMON
01:13 - 18.170 CARRIER. IF THEY WERE ALL
01:13 - 20.170 TREATED THE SAME WAY THAT WOULD
01:13 - 23.120 BE PERMISSIBLE SUBJECT TO THE
01:13 - 24.620 ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT.
01:13 - 26.100 THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
01:13 - 29.680 >>MISTER STRASSBURGER I HAVE A
01:13 - 30.810 COUPLE QUESTIONS.
01:13 - 36.980 >>THE SCHOOL DISTRICT I ARE
01:13 - 39.320 THAT HER SCHOOL HERE WITH THEM.
01:13 - 41.570 >>1.5 MILE
01:13 - 43.350 OF ANY OF THE STUDENTS IN THE
01:13 - 45.350 WILKINSBURG OLDER SISTER.
01:13 - 47.970 >>OR THEY'RE ALL WITHIN 10
01:13 - 49.890 MILES OF THE BOUNDARY OF THIS.
01:13 - 53.300 >>OKAY OR OUTSIDE
01:13 - 54.950 10 MILES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
01:13 - 56.660 WOULD NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE ANY
01:13 - 57.660 TRANSPORTATION.
01:13 - 59.110 >>THAT'S CORRECT YOUR HONOR.
01:14 - 01.740 >>WHAT DOES THE
01:14 - 05.590 SECTION 26 A IF AT THAT.
01:14 - 06.820 THEY'RE IN.
01:14 - 10.600 >>WHO ATTEND A CHARTER SCHOOL.
01:14 - 14.050 LOCATED OUTSIDE THAT THEY'RE
01:14 - 16.490 NOT EXCEEDING 10 MILE NOW
01:14 - 18.350 BE PROVIDED. FREE
01:14 - 19.470 TRANSPORTATION.
01:14 - 22.760 >>I'M SURE THAT'S PRETTY THAT'S
01:14 - 23.800 PRETTY CLEAR
01:14 - 25.880 WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT
01:14 - 27.240 TRANSPORTATION AS WELL.
01:14 - 28.910 >>WIRED OR
01:14 - 30.780 IT WOULDN'T. WE'RE DIVING
01:14 - 32.970 WITHIN ONE AND A HALF MILE OUR
01:14 - 34.630 SECONDARY STUDENTS WITHIN 2
01:14 - 35.040 MILES.
01:14 - 39.050 >>RIGHT SO HE STARTS THE THE
01:14 - 40.070 LANGUAGE OF SECTION
01:14 - 42.970 1726 A WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
01:14 - 44.940 SECOND SENTENCE NOW IS RATHER
01:14 - 45.670 SERPENTINE.
01:14 - 49.180 AND IT STARTS WITH THE PREMISE
01:14 - 49.570 THAT.
01:14 - 51.790 DON'T NEED TO PROVIDE
01:14 - 54.820 TRANSPORTATION IF. STUDENTS
01:14 - 56.750 LIVE WITHIN A CLOSE DISTANCE TO
01:14 - 57.550 THE SCHOOL.
01:15 - 03.600 WALKING CONDITIONS.
01:15 - 06.680 THE NEGATIVE IMPLICATION OF
01:15 - 08.900 THAT IS IF THERE ARE HAZARDOUS
01:15 - 10.080 WORKING CONDITIONS
01:15 - 12.020 DOESN'T MATTER HOW 40 LIVE AWAY
01:15 - 13.690 YOU HAVE TO PUT HIS AGE.
01:15 - 15.540 THEN YOU GET TO THE SECOND
01:15 - 17.740 SENTENCE. WE SAY THIS. BUT IF
01:15 - 20.220 YOU'RE PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION
01:15 - 22.540 TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE CLOSE TO THE
01:15 - 25.700 THEN YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE
01:15 - 28.710 SAME TRANSPORTATION TO THE
01:15 - 29.810 CHARTER STEWS
01:15 - 30.740 AND.
01:15 - 33.210 >>SO WHEN YOU REVIEW YOU GET
01:15 - 34.720 YOU GET IN THAT THAT THE
01:15 - 36.400 OPERATIVE LANGUAGE SO WITH THE
01:15 - 37.850 WAY THE TRIAL COURT INTERPRET
01:15 - 40.300 IT WAS. IT SAID LOOK.
01:15 - 42.790 YOU DO NOT HAPPY YOU HAVE TO
01:15 - 44.430 PROVIDE THE 10 MILE RADIUS YOU
01:15 - 45.890 DO NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE WITHIN A
01:15 - 47.670 MILE AND A HALF OR 2 MILES IF
01:15 - 48.720 THEY'RE WITHIN A MILE OR 2
01:15 - 50.530 MILES AND THEIR SCHOOL IN NON
01:15 - 51.770 HAZARDOUS CONDITION OF THAT
01:15 - 52.550 HAZARD THAT YOU
01:15 - 53.900 PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION.
01:15 - 55.330 >>THE SENTENCE YOU'RE TALKING
01:15 - 56.340 ABOUT THE COMMON PLEAS
01:15 - 59.420 COURT SAID. BUT IF THE SCHOOL
01:15 - 01.280 DISTRICT DOES PROVIDE.
01:16 - 03.970 TRANSPORTATION. WITHIN
01:16 - 05.590 1.5 OR 2 MY
01:16 - 08.220 2.5 MILES OF THE SCHOOL WHEN
01:16 - 09.760 THERE IS NO HAZARD MEANING
01:16 - 10.550 THEY'RE JUST PROVIDING
01:16 - 11.900 EVERYBODY WITHIN THAT SHORT
01:16 - 13.920 DISTANCE. TRANSPORTATION,
01:16 - 16.570 THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SAY
01:16 - 18.240 THEY'RE PROVIDED TRANSPORTATION
01:16 - 21.360 TO THE OTHER STUDENTS UNDER THE
01:16 - 23.850 SAME CONDITIONS MEANING
01:16 - 25.150 NON HAZARDOUS
01:16 - 27.090 CONDITIONS AND NOW WHAT WHAT
01:16 - 28.360 THAT IS THAT'S WHAT THE COMMON
01:16 - 29.780 PLEAS COURT THAT KIND OF COMMON
01:16 - 31.410 PLEAS COURT INTERPRETED THAT
01:16 - 33.730 DAME CONDITIONS MEANING NON
01:16 - 35.770 HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS AND WHY
01:16 - 36.710 WAS THAT AN INCORRECT
01:16 - 37.840 INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
01:16 - 42.350 >>FIRST IS THE SAME CONDITIONS
01:16 - 44.100 LANGUAGE HISTORICALLY WAS IN
01:16 - 47.340 THE STATUTE. SINCE 1997.
01:16 - 52.810 IS LANGUAGE OF COMPARES.
01:16 - 56.390 IT'S COMPARING THE ENTITLEMENT
01:16 - 56.590 OF.
01:16 - 57.420 >>THE.
01:16 - 00.710 >>CHARTER STUDENTS TO THE HOME,
01:17 - 02.280 THE DISTRICT'S STUDENTS.
01:17 - 04.130 I DON'T THINK IT'S I THINK IT
01:17 - 06.840 MARGINALIZES THE WORDS, SAME
01:17 - 09.560 CONDITIONS ONLY REFER TO
01:17 - 12.870 WALKING CONDITIONS. THE SECOND
01:17 - 14.600 REASON YOU'RE ON OR IS ITS
01:17 - 16.430 IT'S I THINK THE COURT
01:17 - 18.860 IS AWARE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS
01:17 - 21.570 FOR THE MOST PART. I'M LIKELY
01:17 - 23.230 TO BE WITHIN.
01:17 - 30.760 THE 10 MILE COACH IS SO
01:17 - 32.490 IMPORTANT HERE THAT
01:17 - 35.020 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TREATING
01:17 - 38.500 PEOPLE. THE SAME AND IN ORDER
01:17 - 40.420 TO CREATE EQUIVALENTS. WE HAVE
01:17 - 40.810 TO
01:17 - 43.850 RECOGNIZES THE CHARTER SCHOOL
01:17 - 45.860 WAS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE SCHOOL
01:17 - 48.490 CHOICE AND BY PROMOTING SCHOOL
01:17 - 51.720 CHOICE. WE ARE EXPANDING THE
01:17 - 54.410 DISTRICT'S BOUNDARIES. OH WOW.
01:17 - 57.340 CHARTER STUDENTS TO GO OUTSIDE
01:17 - 59.110 THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND BE
01:17 - 01.050 TREATED THE SAME WAY. THE
01:18 - 02.930 STUDENTS WE'RE INSIDE THE
01:18 - 03.460 SCHOOL DOES.
01:18 - 07.280 >>BUT I'D LIKE TO GET I
01:18 - 08.730 UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT BUT I'D
01:18 - 09.860 LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE
01:18 - 11.260 LANGUAGE AFFECT THINK TWICE
01:18 - 14.580 ACTION HAVING PAIN 26 SHAME
01:18 - 16.250 BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT
01:18 - 17.820 UNDER THE SAME CONDITION.
01:18 - 21.100 WE REFER TO THEM OFFERING TO
01:18 - 21.510 NONE.
01:18 - 24.590 WE'LL PUT OTHERWISE WALK TO
01:18 - 26.430 SCHOOL TRANSPORTATION HOW DO
01:18 - 28.310 YOU GET THAT UNDER SAME
01:18 - 30.520 CONDITION AND WHAT THEY SHOULD
01:18 - 32.730 WE AGREE WITH YOUR CONTRACTION
01:18 - 34.710 THAT MEANS THE SAME TERMS AND
01:18 - 36.200 CONDITIONS WHICH WAS THE OLD
01:18 - 38.400 LANGUAGE. HOW DO YOU GET FROM
01:18 - 40.040 THAT TO THE 10 MILE
01:18 - 41.830 TRANSPORTATION THAT MUST BE
01:18 - 44.110 PROVIDED TO CHARTER SCHOOL
01:18 - 44.410 MOVEMENT.
01:18 - 46.850 >>SO THE.
01:18 - 49.640 IF WE LOOK AT THE MOSAIC A CAN
01:18 - 51.830 OF THE DECISION WHICH AT THE
01:18 - 52.240 TIME.
01:18 - 54.830 THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE
01:18 - 56.660 CONCEDED LEE WAS DIFFERENT AND
01:18 - 59.190 THERE WAS INCORPORATION OF
01:18 - 02.740 SECTION, 1361, WHICH SAID YOU.
01:19 - 03.800 TRY
01:19 - 06.320 TO GIVE IDENTICAL PROVISION
01:19 - 09.150 TOO. CHARTER STUDENTS AS HER
01:19 - 11.600 PRIVATE ROAD KILL STUDENTS AS
01:19 - 13.450 PUBLIC STUDENTS. THE SUPREME
01:19 - 15.680 COURT SAID THAT IS A BIG YOU
01:19 - 18.540 WAS IT MUST BE. WE WANT TO
01:19 - 20.650 TREAT CHARTER STUDENTS. THE
01:19 - 23.720 SAME AS PUBLIC STUDENTS AND THE
01:19 - 25.250 SAME AS PRIVATE STUDENTS TO
01:19 - 27.970 SAVE HIS WROTE US. AND IT'S
01:19 - 29.570 VERY HARD TO
01:19 - 33.200 MOVE FROM. WAS IT GOOD CADDIE
01:19 - 35.820 AND THE TENOR OF THAT DECISION.
01:19 - 36.830 I SAYING.
01:19 - 40.090 THEY GET THE SAME THINGS SAME
01:19 - 41.600 TERMS AND CONDITIONS
01:19 - 44.940 AS WAS IN 1997 STEP IN
01:19 - 47.940 JUST SAY IN THE 2006 AMENDMENT.
01:19 - 51.390 CONDITIONS ONLY MEANS WALKING
01:19 - 52.110 CONCUSSIONS.
01:19 - 55.570 IN MY BRIEF MY REPLY, BRIEF
01:19 - 57.540 SAID THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AS
01:19 - 00.050 I ELEPHANTS AND COUNCILS.
01:20 - 01.630 I MEAN THEY DON'T BURY THE
01:20 - 04.790 LEAD. THEY DON'T. OBSCURE THEIR
01:20 - 05.600 PURPOSE.
01:20 - 08.050 IF WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
01:20 - 09.530 WAS TRYING TO DO HERE
01:20 - 12.760 WAS SAY CHARTER STUDENTS
01:20 - 15.820 DON'T HAVE JUST TRANSPORTATION
01:20 - 17.390 RIGHTS AS.
01:20 - 18.820 STUDIES.
01:20 - 21.550 >>COULD THIS VERY EASILY AND
01:20 - 23.390 THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAID USE
01:20 - 24.860 THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN
01:20 - 26.410 THE STATUTE. THE VERY
01:20 - 28.530 BEGINNING. TALK ABOUT SAME
01:20 - 30.030 CONDITIONS AND I'D APPRECIATE
01:20 - 31.740 IT. YOUR HONOR WHEN YOU SAY
01:20 - 34.100 SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS, I'M
01:20 - 36.570 NOT OVERLOOKING THE FACT THAT
01:20 - 38.850 SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS WHEN
01:20 - 40.260 POTENTIALLY MEAN SOMETHING
01:20 - 42.430 DIFFERENT IN SAME CONDITIONS.
01:20 - 44.050 BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
01:20 - 44.780 THE PURPOSE OF
01:20 - 46.530 THE STATUTE. IF WE'RE
01:20 - 47.820 CONSIDERING THE STATUE TO BE
01:20 - 50.640 AMBIGUOUS UNDER 1921 SEE THE
01:20 - 52.190 STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION, THERE.
01:20 - 54.710 WE LOOK AT THE OBJECT OF THE OF
01:20 - 55.960 THE OF THE LAW
01:20 - 57.990 AND THE THE GOALS AND THE
01:20 - 59.960 REMEDIES OF COOL. WE HAVE TO
01:20 - 01.620 LOOK TO THE FACT THAT SAFETY IS
01:21 - 04.660 PARAMOUNT OR I'M SUPPORTING
01:21 - 05.680 YOUNG CHILDREN
01:21 - 07.930 TO SCHOOL. THAT'S WHY
01:21 - 10.100 OUR SECOND OR GREATER THAN FACT
01:21 - 13.490 1726 A REALLY OTHER I WELL I
01:21 - 14.800 MEAN IT'S AS YOU CAN.
01:21 - 17.380 >>IT YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT
01:21 - 20.040 WALKING ALONG HAZARDOUS ROADS,
01:21 - 21.600 EVEN IF IT'S LESS THAN A MILE
01:21 - 22.270 AND A HALF.
01:21 - 25.840 BUT I THINK WE UNDERSTAND
01:21 - 26.870 YOU'RE AT THE.
01:21 - 29.590 >>AND THE CURE. 30 MINUTES.
01:21 - 32.830 WE WILL HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN
01:21 - 34.820 AFTER WE HEAR FROM BUT YOUR
01:21 - 35.330 PENSION.
01:21 - 37.160 >>THANK YOUR ARE.
01:21 - 37.740 >>IS THERE.
01:21 - 44.950 ALL RIGHT. I'M A
01:21 - 49.180 BOLT I APOLOGIZE YOU'RE HERE
01:21 - 50.380 FOR WELCOME.
01:21 - 51.050 >>YES,
01:21 - 52.620 YOUR HONOR MAY IT PLEASE THE
01:21 - 54.050 COURT CHRISTOPHER BOLTS ON
01:21 - 55.860 BEHALF OF THE TELLY LOCAL
01:21 - 58.160 SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT'S
01:21 - 58.710 POSITION
01:21 - 00.380 IN THIS CASES FAIRLY
01:22 - 01.880 STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT SAID THE
01:22 - 03.320 U.S. YOUR IT'S A BUS PASSES
01:22 - 04.640 THAT CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS
01:22 - 06.480 IMPLIES THAT THE PLAIN LANGUAGE
01:22 - 06.860 OF ALL THE
01:22 - 08.890 APPLICABLE STATUTE HELEN'S
01:22 - 10.520 ARGUMENTS ON THE OTHER HAND ARE
01:22 - 11.860 BASED ON WHAT THEY WISH THE
01:22 - 13.940 STATUTE SAID WHENEVER THESE
01:22 - 15.310 WISHES ARE BASED ON LANGUAGE
01:22 - 16.600 THAT EITHER DOESN'T EXIST IN
01:22 - 18.270 THE RELEVANT STATUTE OR IF IT
01:22 - 20.070 EVER DID WAS DELETED BY THE
01:22 - 20.740 LEGISLATURE.
01:22 - 23.660 AS THIS COURT KNOWS THE PRIMARY
01:22 - 25.080 INDICATION OF THE LEGISLATIVE
01:22 - 27.020 INTENT IS THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF
01:22 - 29.980 THE STATUTE SECTION 1726 AND
01:22 - 31.420 THE CHARTER SCHOOL LAW PROVIDES
01:22 - 32.390 THAT CERTAIN STUDENTS WHO
01:22 - 34.250 ATTEND CHARTER SCHOOLS SHELL BE
01:22 - 36.140 PROVIDED FREE TRANSPORTATION.
01:22 - 37.490 THE CHARTER SCHOOL BY THE
01:22 - 38.760 SCHOOL DISTRICT RESIDENTS.
01:22 - 41.420 THIS COURT IN HOCHMAN VERSUS
01:22 - 42.790 STEEL VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT
01:22 - 44.470 CASE WITH VERY SIMILAR ACTS.
01:22 - 47.110 WELL THAT SECTION 1362 THE
01:22 - 48.460 SCHOOL CODE SHOULD BE USED WHEN
01:22 - 49.440 INTERPRETING THE FREE
01:22 - 50.860 TRANSPORTATION PROVISION
01:22 - 54.700 SECTION 1726 DAY. SECTION
01:22 - 55.820 36 TOO
01:22 - 58.970 3313 62 IN TURN IN NEW RATES
01:22 - 00.290 EXCEPT WELL WORTH OF FREE
01:23 - 02.900 TRANSPORTATION. AND AUTHORIZES
01:23 - 04.620 TRANSPORTATION BE A COMMON
01:23 - 06.840 CARRIER IF THE DISTANCE HEART
01:23 - 07.460 DOES NOT EXCEED
01:23 - 09.780 1.5 MILES. THERE ARE SHELTERS
01:23 - 11.590 WHERE NECESSARY AND PENNDOT HAS
01:23 - 12.920 NOT CERTIFIED THE WALKING
01:23 - 13.790 ROUTES THAT HE HAD.
01:23 - 16.770 AT TRIAL. PELOSI
01:23 - 19.280 NOT ESTABLISH ANY VIOLATIONS OF
01:23 - 20.130 THE STATUTES.
01:23 - 21.940 INSTEAD THEY ATTEMPTED THAT
01:23 - 23.630 ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS EITHER
01:23 - 25.120 DO NOT APPEAR IN THE RELEVANT
01:23 - 27.640 STATUTORY PROVISIONS OR IF THEY
01:23 - 30.090 DID OR DELETED. THIS ATTEMPT
01:23 - 31.310 WAS REJECTED BY THE TRIAL
01:23 - 33.230 COURT. AND WE REQUEST THAT THIS
01:23 - 34.500 COURT DO AS WELL.
01:23 - 37.650 THOSE FIRST ARGUMENT FOCUSES ON
01:23 - 40.270 SECTION 1746 TODAY AND THE
01:23 - 42.350 SEARCH THAT THEY HAVE IDENTICAL
01:23 - 44.020 TRANSPORTATION. LET'S BE
01:23 - 45.140 PROVIDED TO CHARTER SCHOOLS.
01:23 - 48.070 THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE
01:23 - 50.600 PLAIN LANGUAGE OF SECTION 1726
01:23 - 50.920 A.
01:23 - 53.550 LEHMANN ANGUISH SIMPLY STATUS
01:23 - 54.480 IS THAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS
01:23 - 54.850 PROVIDE
01:23 - 56.500 FREE TRANSPORTATION STUDENTS
01:23 - 57.500 ATTENDING A CHARTER SCHOOL
01:23 - 59.040 LOCATED WITHIN 10 MILES OF
01:23 - 59.950 MISTER ARBERY.
01:24 - 02.030 THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT IN THE
01:24 - 03.860 FOREGOING TAXES LOW TO FREE
01:24 - 05.500 TRANSPORTATION BE I'VE DONE.
01:24 - 08.330 AND RESPECTFULLY AS THIS COURT
01:24 - 10.060 HAS HELD IT IS NOT REPORTS THAT
01:24 - 12.050 BY INTERPRETATION OF A STATUTE.
01:24 - 13.450 A REQUIREMENT WHICH THE
01:24 - 15.570 LEGISLATURE DID NOT SEE FIT TO
01:24 - 16.600 HIT THE BALL.
01:24 - 19.170 >>IF IT
01:24 - 22.750 DURING THE Q A SHOULD THE IRI
01:24 - 24.540 PUBLIC SCHOOL CODE OR THANK YOU
01:24 - 26.850 FOR YOUR TIME. IF THE SCHOOL
01:24 - 29.420 DISTRICT PROVIDE. FREE
01:24 - 32.110 TRANSPORTATION TO REZA
01:24 - 34.070 YOU FALL UP TO A
01:24 - 36.430 TOWN HALL. IT MUST PROVIDE
01:24 - 38.160 IDENTICAL PROVISION FOR FREE
01:24 - 40.590 TRANSPORTATION OF PEOPLE WITH
01:24 - 42.880 HIM NONPUBLIC SCHOOL, NOT
01:24 - 45.640 OPERATED FOR PROFIT. ANOTHER
01:24 - 47.150 PRIVATE SCHOOL.
01:24 - 50.880 REGIME. TRANSPORTATION OF
01:24 - 54.270 WILKINSBURG DO. BUT. CHARTER
01:24 - 56.460 STUDENTS DO NOT END THERE,
01:24 - 57.860 PUBLIC. WELL IT.
01:24 - 01.330 >>THAT IS CORRECT IF BE
01:25 - 05.480 1361 REQUIRES THE DISTRICT
01:25 - 06.650 PROVIDE IDENTICAL KNOW THE
01:25 - 09.510 TRANSPORTATION. THAT PROVIDES
01:25 - 11.260 ITS OWN STUDENTS. SO YES.
01:25 - 12.850 >>WILKINSBURG IS REQUIRED TO
01:25 - 13.370 PROVIDE.
01:25 - 16.500 WHY WOULD THEY IF THERE IS AN
01:25 - 17.900 AMBIGUITY HERE WHY WOULD THE
01:25 - 18.830 LEGISLATURE MAKE
01:25 - 21.180 THAT DISTINCTION AND SAY YOU
01:25 - 22.590 CAN TREAT PRIVATE SCHOOL
01:25 - 24.750 STUDENT. NO DIFFERENTLY THAN
01:25 - 26.220 YOU TREAT YOUR OWN GOOD, BUT
01:25 - 27.650 YOU CAN DO IT YOU WANT WITH.
01:25 - 31.470 HER TO AS LONG AS THAT FREE.
01:25 - 34.450 >>I DO NOT
01:25 - 35.370 NECESSARILY KNOW THE
01:25 - 38.420 LEGISLATURE'S INTENT. I DO
01:25 - 40.010 KNOW THAT YOU KNOW
01:25 - 41.120 THE DISTRICTS ARE REQUIRED TO
01:25 - 42.750 PROVIDE FREE TRANSPORTATION TO
01:25 - 44.150 EVERYBODY IN THE LEGISLATURE
01:25 - 45.680 GIVES HIM SOME LEEWAY IN DOING
01:25 - 46.000 RIGHT.
01:25 - 48.070 >>I DO
01:25 - 48.960 KNOW THAT.
01:25 - 52.560 >>THE 1316 1361 REQUIREMENT
01:25 - 52.900 USED TO
01:25 - 54.640 BE INCORPORATED INTO THE
01:25 - 55.950 CHARTER SCHOOL LAW THAT THE
01:25 - 57.220 LEGISLATURE INTENTIONALLY
01:25 - 58.680 REMOVED IT AND REPLACE IT WITH
01:25 - 00.040 A FREE TRANSPORTATION.
01:26 - 05.610 I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW, BUT I
01:26 - 07.140 DO KNOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE
01:26 - 08.320 INTENTIONALLY REMOVED.
01:26 - 08.930 >>THAT
01:26 - 10.980 REQUIREMENT AMASSING HUGE A
01:26 - 13.210 HEAD EXPLAIN THEIR REASONS, I'M
01:26 - 15.080 JUST THINKING ABOUT IT IF WE'RE
01:26 - 17.860 PAYING MORE THAN AMBIGUITY AND
01:26 - 20.890 A LOT OF TIME. HURRICANE HERE.
01:26 - 24.870 SHOULD WE ALSO CONSIDER THE
01:26 - 28.370 FACT THAT BUT THE SAME LAW THE
01:26 - 30.350 PUBLIC SCHOOL CODE. RICE
01:26 - 32.170 SAID THE WELL THAT MIGHT
01:26 - 33.450 PROVIDE IDENTICAL
01:26 - 35.670 TRANSPORTATION TO PRIVATE AND
01:26 - 36.800 PUBLIC GOOD.
01:26 - 39.140 EXCEPT FOR ONE CATEGORY OF
01:26 - 40.140 PUBLIC TUNES
01:26 - 45.720 ANYTHING GOES AND ONE OF THE
01:26 - 46.090 FREE.
01:26 - 48.480 >>NO I BELIEVE THAT.
01:26 - 52.910 >>SECTION 1361, SO YES, SECTION
01:26 - 55.750 1361. I THINK REVERSED AND WHAT
01:26 - 57.310 IT PROVIDES ITS OWN RESIDENT
01:26 - 58.770 STUDENTS IN THAT MUST BE
01:26 - 00.710 IDENTICAL TO WHAT PROVIDES TO
01:27 - 02.460 THE PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS.
01:27 - 05.280 CHARTER SCHOOL IT'S THEIR
01:27 - 06.720 PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT THEY ARE SO
01:27 - 07.480 THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
01:27 - 10.360 AND I THINK YOU KNOW 1726 IS
01:27 - 12.450 WHAT ADDRESSES THEM DIRECTLY
01:27 - 12.840 AND ON.
01:27 - 16.110 >>MISTER WELCOME YOU TO THE
01:27 - 17.250 MEDIA I WOULD MAKE SURE I
01:27 - 18.680 UNDERSTAND THE FACTOR THOUGH
01:27 - 22.280 YOU YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT
01:27 - 25.110 PROVIDING IDENTICAL SERVICE TO
01:27 - 26.770 CERTAIN STUDENTS ATTENDING
01:27 - 28.160 NONPUBLIC SCHOOLS ISN'T THAT
01:27 - 28.630 CORRECT.
01:27 - 31.320 >>I BELIEVE
01:27 - 33.420 THE TRIAL COURT FOUND THAT AND
01:27 - 35.820 I BELIEVE THAT OUR WITNESS AND
01:27 - 38.660 TESTIFY THAT PROCURES HOLES
01:27 - 40.540 WE'RE RECEIVING BUS PASSES.
01:27 - 41.950 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS
01:27 - 44.030 FACTUALLY ACCURATE. I KNOW THAT
01:27 - 46.350 RECENTLY THEY HAVE PROVIDED
01:27 - 47.370 IDENTICAL TRANCE THEY
01:27 - 49.170 HAVE PROVIDED PRIVATE BUS
01:27 - 50.490 TRANSPORTATION TO CERTAIN
01:27 - 54.070 PAROCHIAL SCHOOL THE TRIAL
01:27 - 54.580 COURT FOUND.
01:27 - 57.210 >>YEAH THAT'S WHAT I WAS THAT I
01:27 - 59.100 WAS ACCEPTING THAT BY BEING IN
01:27 - 00.850 YOU ABOUT MY QUESTION IN LIGHT
01:28 - 02.270 OF YOUR ANSWER BUT I
01:28 - 04.030 GET I GET YOUR POSITION THAT IS
01:28 - 05.180 BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE
01:28 - 06.710 SPECIFICALLY REMOVE THE CROSS
01:28 - 07.120 REVEREND
01:28 - 11.300 1361. AND THERE ARE 61 IS WHERE
01:28 - 12.550 THE WORD IDENTICAL EXIST.
01:28 - 14.790 AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
01:28 - 16.150 PROVIDED ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE
01:28 - 17.140 OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL A LOT
01:28 - 18.930 WITH REGARD TO TRANSPORTATION.
01:28 - 20.850 YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A
01:28 - 21.270 CHANGE
01:28 - 24.350 AND INTEND AND THAT CHANGE AND
01:28 - 24.920 HAVE HAVE
01:28 - 27.500 TO THEREFORE LEAD TO A CHANGE
01:28 - 29.000 IN THE RESULT IS REGARD WITH
01:28 - 30.820 REGARD TO LAST KOHR ROYER.
01:28 - 34.940 >>I BELIEVE SO FIRST WE THINK
01:28 - 36.450 THE LANGUAGE HAS WRITTEN THIS
01:28 - 37.820 CLEAR AND UNAMBIGUOUS BUT IF
01:28 - 39.120 YOU DO LOOK TO LEGISLATIVE
01:28 - 40.460 INTENT AND TRY TO INTERPRET THE
01:28 - 42.830 STATUTE. I THINK THE AMENDMENTS
01:28 - 44.530 AND FROM THIS BY THE ROOM,
01:28 - 46.040 NOT ONLY OF THE REFERENCE TO
01:28 - 49.170 SECTION 1361. BUT WITH RESPECT
01:28 - 50.960 TO HER SCHOOL
01:28 - 53.470 STUDENTS ATTENDING ARE SCHOOLS
01:28 - 54.750 IN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES,
01:28 - 56.290 REMOVING THE SAME TERMS AND
01:28 - 57.640 CONDITIONS LANGUAGE AS WELL
01:28 - 58.730 REPLACING WITH FREE
01:28 - 00.100 TRANSPORTATION FOR ALL.
01:29 - 02.340 >>I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE TO I
01:29 - 03.960 HAVE TO JUST COMPANY BRIEFLY
01:29 - 04.510 BECAUSE
01:29 - 09.040 I'M TAKEN BY THE STATE THE
01:29 - 10.640 ARGUMENT, I'M NOT SURE.
01:29 - 14.840 WELL PERSONALLY I WOULDN'T WANT
01:29 - 16.420 TO PUT MY KIDS OUT OF PUBLIC
01:29 - 19.300 SCHOOL BUS TO BE YOU KNOW
01:29 - 19.600 SCHOOL
01:29 - 22.010 DRIVERS HAVE PUBLIC SCHOOL
01:29 - 23.250 DRIVERS HAVE ALL THE CLEARANCES
01:29 - 23.410 THAT
01:29 - 25.920 ARE REQUIRED. YOU'RE THERE WITH
01:29 - 27.230 THE STUDENT POPULATION THERE,
01:29 - 29.150 CERTAIN REGULATIONS THAT APPLY
01:29 - 29.290 TO
01:29 - 32.410 SCHOOL BUSES. I DON'T KNOW I
01:29 - 33.450 DON'T KNOW ASSUMING YOUR
01:29 - 34.760 BREAKFAST AND THAT RECORD IS
01:29 - 35.360 CORRECT.
01:29 - 38.080 THAT IT'S COOL THAT YOU CAN
01:29 - 40.110 JUST SAY HEY HOP ON YOUR NEAR
01:29 - 42.950 THE BUS. STARTING TO SET THE
01:29 - 44.000 PHILADELPHIA'S COMPLETELY
01:29 - 47.610 DIFFERENT. NEAR YOUR PORT
01:29 - 50.250 AUTHORITY BUS OR A CAT
01:29 - 51.140 IN HARRISBURG WOULD
01:29 - 55.580 AND GET TO SCHOOL IF GOD FORBID
01:29 - 58.990 SOMETHING WOULD AND I WONDER
01:29 - 01.180 WHAT THE EXPOSURE WOULD BE TO
01:30 - 02.090 THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
01:30 - 05.090 THE SHOOTING, REPUBLICAN VANS
01:30 - 06.710 VERSUS THE SAFETY OF THE SCHOOL
01:30 - 07.100 BUS.
01:30 - 13.880 >>OUR POSITION, YOUR HONOR IS
01:30 - 16.390 THAT BE LEGISLATURE.
01:30 - 19.280 SO FOR THE SAFETY FACTORS
01:30 - 20.910 TO BE CONSIDERED IN SECTION
01:30 - 22.850 1362 OF THE SCHOOL CODE.
01:30 - 25.320 >>THEY POINT MISTER BOLTON.
01:30 - 26.940 BUT TO THAT POINT SOMETHING HE
01:30 - 27.690 SAID EARLY IN
01:30 - 29.830 THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU BELIEVE
01:30 - 31.150 IT WAS THE BURDEN OF THE
01:30 - 33.240 CHARTER SCHOOL WAS ESTABLISHED
01:30 - 35.820 HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS. AND
01:30 - 37.820 WELCOME TO BURDEN DID NOT OWN
01:30 - 39.390 THAT BURDEN OF YOU WILL.
01:30 - 41.010 YEAH BUT SEE YOU'RE
01:30 - 43.370 NOT SAFETY. WHAT CAN WHAT
01:30 - 45.400 CONCERNS ME IS SOMEWHERE POINT
01:30 - 47.210 TO JUDGE DROPS IN WHICH HE IS.
01:30 - 50.440 THERE SEEMS TO BE A REAL LACK
01:30 - 51.630 OF EVIDENCE ON THE
01:30 - 54.740 DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT
01:30 - 56.170 EVEN IF YOU HAVE A NARROW
01:30 - 56.740 READING OF
01:30 - 58.530 WHAT THE CONDITIONS SAME
01:30 - 00.720 CONDITIONS MEAN THEY'RE STILL
01:31 - 02.500 EXPENSIVE LANGUAGE THAT
01:31 - 06.080 GOES TO. ENSURING THAT THOSE
01:31 - 07.050 STUDENTS CLOSE TO
01:31 - 10.150 THE SCHOOL HAVE A DETERMINATION
01:31 - 13.400 ABOUT SEE BE MADE. THAT NOT THE
01:31 - 14.730 BURDEN OF WILKINSBURG.
01:31 - 20.060 >>THIS SCORE AND ABRAHAMS
01:31 - 23.310 VERSUS WALL IMPACT. HELD
01:31 - 25.260 THAT BE HAZARD CLAUSE OF
01:31 - 28.540 SECTION 1362 DOES NOT IS NOT
01:31 - 30.550 A RISE UNLESS THE 3RD IS
01:31 - 32.170 CERTIFIED BY PENNDOT AND
01:31 - 33.430 BELIEVE WE DECIDED THAT ARE
01:31 - 36.030 VERY SO AND I MUST MAKE
01:31 - 37.610 THIS DETERMINATION.
01:31 - 39.620 >>BUT NOBODY APPLE AND GOT TO
01:31 - 40.050 MAKE THAT
01:31 - 42.130 DETERMINATION RIGHT. YOU'RE
01:31 - 43.850 WELCOME TO BURDEN EVER AT THE
01:31 - 46.970 DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION OR TO
01:31 - 48.860 MAKE A DETERMINATION ON SAFETY.
01:31 - 51.530 >>THE TRIAL COURT
01:31 - 53.180 ADOPTED OUR FINDING OF FACT
01:31 - 55.930 NUMBER 29 WHICH WE SAY THAT THE
01:31 - 57.810 DISTRICT DID INVESTIGATE AND
01:31 - 59.930 CAN EARN. PENN DOT HAS NOT
01:31 - 01.360 DECLARED ANY SUCH WALKING
01:32 - 03.060 ROUTES HAZARDOUS. AND THE
01:32 - 04.930 REASON THE DISTRICT. IT LOOK
01:32 - 06.970 INTO THIS BECAUSE IF THE
01:32 - 08.700 WALKING ROUTE IS HAZARDOUS,
01:32 - 10.210 YOU'RE REIMBURSEMENT RATE.
01:32 - 11.540 THOSE UP SO
01:32 - 13.020 THE DISTRICT HAS TO PROVIDE
01:32 - 14.250 TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE THE
01:32 - 15.230 ROUTE IS HAZARDOUS.
01:32 - 17.970 >>THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM STATE
01:32 - 19.070 INCREASES SO
01:32 - 20.360 I BELIEVE THE TRIAL COURT
01:32 - 21.820 CORRECTLY FOUND THAT THE
01:32 - 23.360 DISTRICT DID INVESTIGATE THIS.
01:32 - 25.760 AND THAT THERE WERE NO.
01:32 - 28.320 CERTIFIED HAZARDOUS ROUTES.
01:32 - 30.010 >>BUT THAT'S ALL I WANT AND ONE
01:32 - 31.680 OF THEM IS SITUATION THOSE THE
01:32 - 32.960 SCHOOL DISTRICT HAVE ANY
01:32 - 36.150 OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THE SAFETY
01:32 - 37.600 OF ITS STUDENTS GETTING TO
01:32 - 38.890 SCHOOL WHETHER IT BE.
01:32 - 42.350 >>DISTRICT SCHOOL OR A CHARTER
01:32 - 42.760 SCHOOL.
01:32 - 45.800 >>AND I BELIEVE THAT
01:32 - 47.280 THE LEGISLATURE HAS MADE THIS
01:32 - 48.530 ANALYSIS AND I BELIEVE THAT THE
01:32 - 49.840 SCHOOL DISTRICT DID LOOK INTO
01:32 - 50.040 IT IN
01:32 - 50.670 THIS CASE.
01:32 - 53.730 >>HOW A 5 YEAR-OLD IS GOING TO
01:32 - 56.430 GET ON A PUBLIC BUS AND GET HIM
01:32 - 57.700 OR HERSELF TO SCHOOL.
01:32 - 59.790 WHETHER IT REQUIRES ONE
01:32 - 01.470 TRANSFERRED TO TRANSFERS.
01:33 - 06.320 YOU THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
01:33 - 08.010 SCENARIOS.
01:33 - 11.050 I'M SORRY I'M A MISUNDERSTOOD
01:33 - 11.860 THE QUESTION
01:33 - 12.240 ALL DAY.
01:33 - 14.390 >>AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LOOKED
01:33 - 16.520 INTO HOW EVERY CHARTER
01:33 - 18.730 SCHOOL STUDENT. IT'S GETTING TO
01:33 - 20.250 SCHOOL NEAR PUBLIC
01:33 - 22.080 TRANSPORTATION AND THE SAFETY
01:33 - 22.630 OF THEIR OWN.
01:33 - 26.160 >>THE DISTRICT AT TRIAL
01:33 - 28.220 SUBMITTED EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT
01:33 - 30.010 EACH STUDENT ATTENDING
01:33 - 32.600 PROPEL SCHOOLS. WOULD MEET THE
01:33 - 34.200 SAFETY REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH
01:33 - 36.090 IN SECTION 13 6 THE SCHOOL
01:33 - 38.180 SAID. NO HAZARDOUS ROUTES ALL
01:33 - 39.880 WALKING DISTANCE I'LL HAVE.
01:33 - 41.150 >>AND.
01:33 - 43.320 >>THERE'S NO EVIDENCE PUT ON
01:33 - 44.770 THIS AS WITH RESPECT TO
01:33 - 47.310 SHELTERS BECAUSE I JUST DID NOT
01:33 - 48.370 RAISE IT. THE CASE.
01:33 - 50.590 THE TRIAL COURT FOUND THAT
01:33 - 51.570 THERE'S NO SHOWING THAT THEIR
01:33 - 53.160 WORK. THERE ARE SHELTERS
01:33 - 53.870 WERE NECESSARY.
01:33 - 55.820 >>BUT FOR THE COUNCIL SAID THAT
01:33 - 57.200 SOME OF THESE STUDENTS HAVE TO
01:33 - 58.100 MAKE ONE OR 2.
01:33 - 59.330 TRANSFERS.
01:33 - 00.890 >>THAT IS SURE TO GET THE
01:34 - 02.050 CERTAIN SCHOOL DISTRICTS THERE
01:34 - 03.100 NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST ONE
01:34 - 04.980 TRANSFER IN THE VAST MAJORITY
01:34 - 05.940 OF CASES, ONE.
01:34 - 10.920 AN ALLEGHENY COUNTY SINCE AT
01:34 - 13.070 LEAST 19 7 2.
01:34 - 16.210 >>TRANSFERS THE A COMMON
01:34 - 17.770 CARRIER HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED
01:34 - 18.600 THERE'S A CASE.
01:34 - 21.380 >>AND B.
01:34 - 24.110 >>VERSUS STILL VALLEY THAT CASE
01:34 - 25.990 INVOLVED TRANSFERS AND THE
01:34 - 28.050 TRIAL COURT IN THIS COURT DID
01:34 - 28.990 NOT RAISE ANY
01:34 - 31.200 >>BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
01:34 - 32.710 COUNCIL, THE WORLD IS A LOT
01:34 - 34.130 DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT WAS IN
01:34 - 35.580 1972.
01:34 - 38.160 SO I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL
01:34 - 39.820 QUESTION HAS THE SCHOOL
01:34 - 42.230 DISTRICT LOOK AND HOW EVERY
01:34 - 43.390 CHILD WHO NEEDS TO BE
01:34 - 45.180 TRANSFERRED BY COMMON CARRIER
01:34 - 47.420 TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THAT
01:34 - 47.920 CHILD.
01:34 - 52.690 >>THE DISTRICT HAS NOT TAKEN AN
01:34 - 54.550 INVESTIGATION INTO EVERY TRIAL
01:34 - 56.340 EVERY CHILD HOWEVER, IT
01:34 - 57.760 IS AWARE WHERE THE TRANSFERS
01:34 - 00.050 CAN BE. AND IT HAS THAT IT
01:35 - 01.260 SUBMITTED EVIDENCE SHOWING
01:35 - 03.430 WHERE THESE TRANSFERS ARE FOR
01:35 - 04.050 EACH CASE.
01:35 - 07.610 >>MISTER BOTH OF MORE
01:35 - 09.800 I SPENT ON THAT JUST BROKEN SO
01:35 - 11.200 IF YOUR CHILD IS INJURED.
01:35 - 12.490 >>OR.
01:35 - 13.700 >>IN SOME WAY.
01:35 - 19.010 A DRIVER OR PASSENGER IN A
01:35 - 19.350 PUBLIC
01:35 - 21.010 SCHOOL BUS. WELL THE SCHOOL
01:35 - 22.900 DISTRICT HAVE LIABILITY IN
01:35 - 24.020 KNOWING THAT ALL THESE
01:35 - 25.850 CIRCUMSTANCES OR FORESEEABLE.
01:35 - 31.740 >>I MEAN I THINK THE DISTRICT'S
01:35 - 33.380 LIABILITY WOULD BE THE SAME AS
01:35 - 34.150 TO WHETHER A
01:35 - 35.720 CHILD DIED, YOU KNOW LEFT ON A
01:35 - 37.460 SCHOOL BUS BY A BUS DRIVER
01:35 - 38.300 SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN
01:35 - 40.400 THOSE SITUATIONS. THE SCHOOL
01:35 - 41.700 DISTRICT IS AWARE OF WHAT IT'S
01:35 - 43.380 DOING IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
01:35 - 46.870 IS PREPARED TO
01:35 - 48.780 ADDRESS ANY FUTURE CLAIMS BUT
01:35 - 49.940 THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BELIEVES IT
01:35 - 50.270 IS.
01:35 - 52.650 FOLLOWING THE SPIRIT AND THE
01:35 - 54.060 LETTER OF THE LAW CREATED BY
01:35 - 55.530 THE LEGISLATURE WOULD RESPECT
01:35 - 57.290 FOR WRITING IN TRANSPORTATION.
01:36 - 06.810 >>I'M NOT I'M I'M NOT SURE
01:36 - 08.240 THEY CAN THAT I WAS GOING TO
01:36 - 10.080 ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT AGAIN
01:36 - 11.190 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
01:36 - 13.790 THAT HOPEFULLY THIS WASN'T JUST
01:36 - 14.790 A MONEY DECISION.
01:36 - 17.660 THAT THAT PERHAPS THE SCHOOL
01:36 - 18.880 DISTRICT HAS SOME SORT OF AN
01:36 - 21.590 AGREEMENT. WE'RE ARRANGEMENT
01:36 - 25.080 WHERE THE PORT AUTHORITY WITH
01:36 - 26.200 REGARD TO THEIR
01:36 - 28.320 HANDLING OF THESE 2 TONS
01:36 - 29.950 OF THE STUDENTS SAFETY THAT
01:36 - 32.000 IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF THE
01:36 - 33.700 YEAR BY A BUNCH ABOUT HALF OF
01:36 - 34.930 THEM HAD ABOUT THAT THERE'S
01:36 - 35.810 SOMETHING THAT THE SCHOOL
01:36 - 38.810 DISTRICT HAS DIED. SIDE
01:36 - 40.270 AGREEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT
01:36 - 41.710 YOU HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT MR.
01:36 - 42.090 BOWLES.
01:36 - 44.940 >>NO THERE'S NO SIGNED
01:36 - 45.770 AGREEMENT WITH THE PORT
01:36 - 46.130 AUTHORITY.
01:36 - 49.050 >>AND MY ONLY OTHER
01:36 - 51.080 QUESTION WAS DID VERIFY IN
01:36 - 52.360 TERMS OF THE ONE AND A HALF AND
01:36 - 55.120 2 AND A HALF MILES WITHIN
01:36 - 57.110 THE SCHOOL. ITS GOAL IS TO
01:36 - 59.110 PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO ALL
01:36 - 00.070 STUDENTS IN THE DISTRICT
01:37 - 01.110 REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S
01:37 - 02.170 HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS.
01:37 - 07.070 >>I'M TRYING TO.
01:37 - 10.630 >>PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION TO
01:37 - 12.420 DO THAN TO HAVE LESS THAN ONE
01:37 - 14.420 AND A HALF MILE FROM THEIR
01:37 - 15.300 SCHOOL.
01:37 - 18.800 WE'RE GONNA BE A BIG PART OF
01:37 - 20.140 THE WALK THERE SAFELY
01:37 - 21.280 REGARDLESS OF HAUSER'S
01:37 - 21.990 CONDITION RIGHT.
01:37 - 24.340 >>I BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL
01:37 - 25.660 DISTRICT IS PROVIDING
01:37 - 27.840 TRANSPORTATION REGARDLESS OF.
01:37 - 31.670 >>IT WAS AN ATTACK IT'S SO SO
01:37 - 33.890 THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE ANY
01:37 - 35.240 HAZARDOUS MISTER THINGS LIKE
01:37 - 36.490 THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU'RE
01:37 - 38.100 PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION TO
01:37 - 39.460 EVERY STUDENT IN THE SCHOOL
01:37 - 41.130 DISTRICT REGARD TO HOW CLOSE OR
01:37 - 42.450 HOW FAR THEY ARE IT WOULD BE
01:37 - 43.810 SECTION OF THE 10 MILE
01:37 - 46.700 RADIUS. THE REAL QUESTION IS
01:37 - 47.960 QUOTE WHETHER THEY HAVE YET TO
01:37 - 48.410 PROVIDE
01:37 - 50.980 THE SAME. TRANSPORTATION AND
01:37 - 51.140 YOUR
01:37 - 54.450 POSITION IS YOU KNOW A 36 TO
01:37 - 56.230 ONE DOESN'T APPLY IN THE SCHOOL
01:37 - 57.550 BOARD ALLOWED US TO ESSENTIALLY
01:37 - 58.760 CHOOSE BETWEEN.
01:38 - 00.870 PUBLIC SAID THE
01:38 - 03.400 SCHOOL BUS. I'M A PRIVATE
01:38 - 05.140 CONVEYANCE REPUBLICAN BACKS AND
01:38 - 07.110 THEN WE CHOSE IN PUBLIC AND AN
01:38 - 08.350 ART ART SCHOOL STUDENTS.
01:38 - 13.350 >>SO HOW IS IT THAT THE SCHOOL
01:38 - 15.280 DISTRICT IS LIVING THE SPIRIT
01:38 - 17.470 OF THE LAW BY PROVIDING A
01:38 - 19.510 BETTER TREATMENT. THOSE
01:38 - 21.310 STUDENTS ARE ONLY BEEN TITLED
01:38 - 23.870 TO BUSTER AND YOU KNOW PRIVATE
01:38 - 25.600 HARRY TRANSPORTATION.
01:38 - 28.110 IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE
01:38 - 28.820 DISTRICT IS IT.
01:38 - 30.090 YOU KNOW INTENTIONALLY DID
01:38 - 32.140 MAKING A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO
01:38 - 33.740 DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A CHARTER
01:38 - 34.620 SCHOOL STUDENTS.
01:38 - 37.520 >>I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE
01:38 - 38.950 DISTRICT IS MAKING A CONSCIOUS
01:38 - 40.270 DECISION TO DISCRIMINATE
01:38 - 42.490 AGAINST CHARTER SCHOOL THE
01:38 - 45.100 DISTRICT. HOW HIRED
01:38 - 46.800 A CONSULTANT TO REVIEW ITS
01:38 - 48.370 TRANSPORTATION POLICY THE
01:38 - 50.100 CONSULTANT DEMONSTRATED TO
01:38 - 50.550 THEM.
01:38 - 52.300 >>THAT I.
01:38 - 54.610 >>PROVIDING BUS PASSES TO
01:38 - 55.780 CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS WOULD
01:38 - 57.010 NOT ONLY REDUCE
01:38 - 59.250 ITS COST. BUT IT WOULD ALSO
01:38 - 01.490 INCREASE IN SO A SUBSIDY FROM
01:39 - 03.520 STATE. SO IT WAS
01:39 - 05.780 A RECOMMENDATION. THEY BUY IN
01:39 - 08.290 PSALM. ANIMOSITY TOWARDS
01:39 - 09.600 CHARTER SCHOOLS WAS LOT
01:39 - 10.380 CONSIDERED.
01:39 - 12.600 IT WAS IN MANY RESPECTS A
01:39 - 14.580 FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION.
01:39 - 16.580 IN ADDITION, MANY BUSES GOING
01:39 - 18.040 TO THE CHARTER SCHOOLS OR HOW
01:39 - 19.220 OR AND
01:39 - 21.490 IT WAS NOT AN EFFICIENT USE OF
01:39 - 22.320 THE DISTRICT'S LIMITED
01:39 - 22.910 RESOURCES.
01:39 - 25.210 >>IS THERE A COST OF
01:39 - 27.420 TRANSPORTING STUDENTS THAT ARE
01:39 - 29.300 THAT LIVE WITHIN A MILE AND A
01:39 - 30.220 HALF OF THE SCHOOL.
01:39 - 34.770 >>AND THAT IS PARTIALLY
01:39 - 35.290 REIMBURSED.
01:39 - 37.560 >>WHAT ABOUT THE COST OF
01:39 - 38.770 TRANSPORTING STUDENTS WHO LIVE
01:39 - 40.580 IN THE DISTRICT BUT ATTENDED A
01:39 - 42.700 SCHOOL IN ANOTHER DISTRICT.
01:39 - 47.590 >>ANOTHER PRIVATE SCHOOL.
01:39 - 50.300 A PAROCHIAL SCHOOL.
01:39 - 52.550 WELL TO BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE
01:39 - 53.610 TRANSPORTATION FOR THEM
01:39 - 55.530 AS WELL, CORRECT THAT IT WAS
01:39 - 56.800 THERE AN EXAMINATION OF THE
01:39 - 58.290 COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
01:40 - 03.050 >>THERE WAS AN OVERVIEW OF THE
01:40 - 04.180 DISTRICT'S ENTIRE
01:40 - 05.480 TRANSPORTATION, CLEAR THEY
01:40 - 06.860 BELIEVE IT WAS SUBMITTED INTO
01:40 - 07.460 EVIDENCE.
01:40 - 09.540 >>BUT WELL I THINK LOOK
01:40 - 10.150 AT EVERYTHING.
01:40 - 11.730 >>AND ONE OF THE
01:40 - 13.140 RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE
01:40 - 14.640 CONSULTANT WAS THE ISSUANCE OF
01:40 - 15.770 BUS PASSES WHERE.
01:40 - 23.430 >>ALL RIGHT MISTER STRASSBURGER
01:40 - 24.560 YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES.
01:40 - 28.170 >>WITH RESPECT
01:40 - 30.090 TO THEIR NOT BEING IN AGREEMENT
01:40 - 31.250 WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY OF
01:40 - 33.050 ALLEGHENY COUNTY THAT IS
01:40 - 34.590 SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY
01:40 - 36.030 REQUIRED UNDER
01:40 - 38.320 BOARD OF EDUCATION REGULATIONS,
01:40 - 39.760 23.2
01:40 - 42.450 PARAGRAPH 7. WHERE IT SAYS THE
01:40 - 43.900 DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
01:40 - 45.640 NEGOTIATION AND EXECUTION OF
01:40 - 48.210 AGREEMENTS WITH COMMON CARRIERS
01:40 - 49.680 AND MUST SMITH PERTINENT
01:40 - 51.270 DOCUMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR
01:40 - 53.410 PROOF THAT WASN'T DONE IN THIS
01:40 - 53.890 CASE.
01:40 - 55.410 >>I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE
01:40 - 56.730 PLACE THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS IS
01:40 - 58.010 THE PLACE TO VINDICATE THAT
01:40 - 58.810 WE'RE GOING TO FEEL FROM THE
01:40 - 00.580 COURT OF COMMON PLEAS NOT YOU
01:41 - 01.660 DID YOU TAKE THAT TO THE
01:41 - 02.630 DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
01:41 - 05.820 >>APPRECIATE
01:41 - 09.220 THAT IRAN, I'M ONLY SUGGESTING
01:41 - 11.370 THAT THE WE RAISE THAT ISSUE
01:41 - 12.510 BELOW HAD
01:41 - 14.950 THE ANSWER WE GOT WAS WHEN WE
01:41 - 16.870 SUBMIT YOUR INVOICE THAT'S
01:41 - 18.370 APPROVAL BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
01:41 - 20.360 EDUCATION WHEN THEY CAME.
01:41 - 21.840 WE DISAGREE WITH.
01:41 - 24.910 FURTHER MISTER LIBURD OTHER
01:41 - 27.240 BUSINESS MANAGER IN TESTIFIED
01:41 - 28.970 THAT COST WAS THE ONLY FACTOR.
01:41 - 30.840 THERE WASN'T ANY SAFETY
01:41 - 31.790 CONSIDER EACH.
01:41 - 34.690 I DON'T
01:41 - 36.760 KNOW WHAT THIS IS CERTAINLY TO
01:41 - 39.210 MAKE OF MY MY COLLEAGUES
01:41 - 42.200 COMMENT THAT THE. THIS WITNESS
01:41 - 43.360 TESTIFIED THAT.
01:41 - 46.120 ROADKILL AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS
01:41 - 48.110 GET BUS PASSES HAS IT.
01:41 - 50.000 STUDENTS GET BUS PASSES.
01:41 - 51.220 ENDED.
01:41 - 54.110 COURTNEY THAT FINDING BUT IT
01:41 - 56.180 WAS WRONG BECAUSE WE REALLY
01:41 - 58.000 IF THE PRIVATE SCHOOL BUSING.
01:41 - 00.870 IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A.
01:42 - 06.890 CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT
01:42 - 08.470 THEY ARE FOR DISCRIMINATING
01:42 - 10.840 AGAINST CHARTER SCHOOLS WITHOUT
01:42 - 12.040 REGARD TO ANY SAFETY
01:42 - 14.430 CONSIDERATIONS. FINALLY I WOULD
01:42 - 16.370 JUST ADD THAT IF THE COURT
01:42 - 17.860 WANTS TO SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING
01:42 - 19.970 ABOUT NOW PRICES. THIS
01:42 - 22.930 TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM IS IN
01:42 - 25.160 THE REPRODUCE RECORD WE'RE 50
01:42 - 28.770 TO 4.62. AS WELL AS 13 '05
01:42 - 30.580 AND FOLLOWING. YOU'LL SEE THE
01:42 - 32.140 BUS ROUTES AND THE.
01:42 - 34.640 IMPOSED UPON
01:42 - 37.430 E FOR STUDENTS WHO HAVE TO TAKE
01:42 - 39.910 ONE MAYBE 2 TRANSFERS GET TO
01:42 - 40.680 SCHOOL EACH DAY.
01:42 - 43.630 >>THE FACT WHAT PAGES.
01:42 - 46.780 >>IT WAS EXHIBIT
01:42 - 49.210 TO REPRODUCE RECORD FOR 50 TO
01:42 - 52.320 4.62. THAT WAS OUR NOTES
01:42 - 55.410 AND THEN 13 TO THE END
01:42 - 57.900 WAS THE DISTRICT'S EVIDENCE.
01:42 - 00.500 WE ASK FOR THE JUDGMENT TO BE
01:43 - 02.480 REVERSED. YEAH WITH
01:43 - 03.770 INSTRUCTIONS FOR A PERMANENT
01:43 - 05.100 INJUNCTION EVEREST.
01:43 - 12.830 >>THAT CONCLUDES THE ARGUMENT
01:43 - 16.720 ON NUMBER 16. THANK YOU JOHN.
01:43 - 52.100 >>THAT
01:43 - 55.560 NUMBER 16 WANT TO.
01:43 - 58.890 EDWARD O'DONNELL BERTHA THE
01:43 - 02.130 ALLEGHENY COUNTY. NORTHAM.
01:44 - 05.090 >>AN ELECTION COMMITTEE MEMBER
01:44 - 07.930 OR A FOX. APPLE. WE'RE HERE
01:44 - 10.690 INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX.
01:44 - 13.530 IF YOU RELATING
01:44 - 15.660 THERE TOO. MET
01:44 - 19.120 UP FROM YOU MR. GRANT A NEW AGE
01:44 - 20.980 OF 50 MASK OR YOUR ARGUMENT.
01:44 - 23.010 THE PETITIONER.
01:44 - 25.650 MAY RETURN SOME OF THAT 15
01:44 - 27.030 MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL WOULD YOU
01:44 - 27.970 LIKE TO DO THAT.
01:44 - 32.880 >>RIGHT YEAH. AND YES, YOUR
01:44 - 33.830 HONOR I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO
01:44 - 35.210 RESERVE 4 MINUTES IS.
01:44 - 39.770 FOR MANY THINGS. YOU GOT IT.
01:44 - 44.770 GOOD MORNING MAY IT PLEASE THE
01:44 - 46.300 COURT MY NAME IS CHARLOTTE
01:44 - 48.790 HOME, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE
01:44 - 50.300 PETITIONER APPELLANT IN THIS
01:44 - 51.960 CASE AND WE'RE NOT ALL.
01:44 - 54.820 >>THIS IS A TAX
01:44 - 57.640 EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE KIND OF
01:44 - 58.980 ISSUE, BUT IT IS A
01:44 - 01.140 TAX CASE. IT WHERE THERE'S
01:45 - 03.880 REALLY 2 ONE REGARDING
01:45 - 07.420 NBA. TIMELINESS. THE DECISION
01:45 - 09.290 BY THE OUT ANY MORE TAX
01:45 - 11.390 COLLECTION COMMITTEE. AND THE
01:45 - 13.170 OTHER ONE REGARDING THE ACTUAL
01:45 - 16.060 TAX ABILITY OF THE N B A NO
01:45 - 19.500 PAYMENT I ISSUE HERE. VERY
01:45 - 20.450 QUICKLY.
01:45 - 24.560 AS FAR AS THE FACTS MISTER
01:45 - 26.860 O'DONNELL FILED AN ACTION.
01:45 - 29.890 IN FEDERAL COURT. UNDER THE
01:45 - 31.670 FEDERAL FALSE CLAIMS ACT IN
01:45 - 32.970 JUNE OF 2014.
01:45 - 35.860 THAT ACTION WAS SETTLED
01:45 - 38.100 IN AUGUST OF 2014 AND HE
01:45 - 43.780 A SETTLEMENT. PAYMENT PURSUANT
01:45 - 47.150 TO. THE SO TO BE IN THE LAWSUIT
01:45 - 47.440 THAT
01:45 - 50.230 HE FILED. I STOPPED RIGHT THERE
01:45 - 51.770 AND WE DON'T AND A LOT OF THOSE
01:45 - 53.410 CASES THAT COME BEFORE THE
01:45 - 54.800 FEDERAL CLAIMS THAT WHAT
01:45 - 56.060 EXACTLY WERE HIS
01:45 - 57.510 RESPONSIBILITIES ARE HIS
01:45 - 58.410 POSITION.
01:45 - 59.730 >>YOU KNOW DID HE PROVIDE
01:45 - 02.840 SERVICES WAS C THE PLAINTIVE
01:46 - 04.310 THAT HE'D I HAD HIS OWN
01:46 - 05.990 DEFENSE COUNCIL WORK HE DOES GO
01:46 - 07.450 A LITTLE BIT AND GET THE FACTS
01:46 - 09.130 ON THAT POINT CERTAINLY.
01:46 - 12.080 TO YOUR MAIN QUESTION WHICH IS
01:46 - 13.380 DID HE PROVIDE SERVICES THE
01:46 - 16.310 ANSWER'S NO HE DID NOT FALSE
01:46 - 19.080 CLAIMS ACT HE FILED THE ACTION
01:46 - 19.920 IN HIS NAME.
01:46 - 22.220 >>AND HE IS REQUIRED TO ALSO
01:46 - 23.380 INCLUDE THE
01:46 - 25.700 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN THE
01:46 - 26.840 IN THE NAME OF THE PLAINTIFFS
01:46 - 28.120 ON THE ACTION AT THE FEDERAL
01:46 - 29.780 GOVERNMENT IS NOT A PARTY UNTIL
01:46 - 31.080 THEY CHOOSE TO BE CAUGHT.
01:46 - 33.170 THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY
01:46 - 35.470 AFFIRMATIVELY I INVESTIGATE THE
01:46 - 36.460 MATTER AND SHOES
01:46 - 39.000 TO ENERGY. SO HE FILED THE
01:46 - 40.900 ACTION AND HE WAS A COACH HE
01:46 - 42.360 WAS IN THE PLAY TEST AND WHEN
01:46 - 43.680 THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO
01:46 - 45.350 INTERVENE HE BECAME THE COCAINE
01:46 - 47.220 TEST. HE HAD HIS OWN ATTORNEY
01:46 - 48.580 ERNIE. HE PAID HIS OWN
01:46 - 50.040 ATTORNEYS, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
01:46 - 51.870 OF MONEY TO REPRESENT AND AND
01:46 - 55.430 THE ACTION. SO HIS HIS PART IN
01:46 - 56.720 THE ACTION WAS TO FILE THE
01:46 - 58.640 ACTION. AFTER THAT
01:46 - 59.860 THE GOVERNMENT IN AN
01:46 - 01.310 INVESTIGATION WHICH IS TO
01:47 - 02.700 INTERVENE AND IT TOOK OVER THE
01:47 - 04.610 ACTION AND THAT IS WHAT THIS
01:47 - 06.780 THE FALSE CLAIMS ACT REQUIRES
01:47 - 08.390 THEY CONTROL THE ACTION FROM
01:47 - 08.650 THAT
01:47 - 11.060 POINT ON. I'M THEY CAN SETTLE
01:47 - 12.840 IT THEY CAN LITIGATE IT AND HE
01:47 - 14.310 HAD REALLY HAS NO SAY IN IT.
01:47 - 15.990 >>THE REGION HAVE ANY SAY IN
01:47 - 17.130 THE SETTLEMENT OF THE ACTION
01:47 - 19.020 EITHER. NOW HE DID NOT.
01:47 - 22.370 >>YES, NO CLAIMS ACT IS VERY
01:47 - 23.920 CLEAR THAT SHOULD THE
01:47 - 25.570 GOVERNMENT CHOOSE TO INTERVENE
01:47 - 26.280 IT IS THEY'RE AT
01:47 - 28.930 ACTION AND MISTER O'DONNELL
01:47 - 30.110 EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN COCAINE
01:47 - 30.960 TO THE PARTY.
01:47 - 33.320 I COULD NOT CONTROL THE ACTION
01:47 - 34.800 COULD NOT SETTLE IN COULD NOT
01:47 - 36.640 DISMISS IT. NOTHING.
01:47 - 38.290 >>I DO YOU KNOW IF YOU DID YOU
01:47 - 39.420 HAVE TO PERFORM ANY.
01:47 - 42.780 LACK OF A BETTER WORD SERVICES
01:47 - 44.850 OR YOU KNOW HE WAS HE REQUIRED
01:47 - 46.310 TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OF
01:47 - 46.400 THE
01:47 - 48.110 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU'RE
01:47 - 49.920 REQUIRED ANTONY'S INTER ARBITER
01:47 - 51.620 YOU'RE REQUIRED TO TESTIFY.
01:47 - 53.270 YOU KNOW WITHOUT A SUBPOENA
01:47 - 54.530 REQUIRES THE PARTIES ARE YOU
01:47 - 55.090 ASKED HIM, BUT
01:47 - 56.740 YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO
01:47 - 58.120 FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE
01:47 - 59.380 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND HOW THE
01:47 - 00.750 CASE IS GOING TO BE HANDLED IN
01:48 - 02.420 HIS HEART WHICH SHE NEEDED
01:48 - 02.800 TO DO.
01:48 - 06.020 >>HE AND NATALEE MEAN HE HAD
01:48 - 07.600 ONLY INSTRUCTIONS OF THE COURT
01:48 - 08.990 SO IF THE COURT TOLD YOU KNOW
01:48 - 09.470 TOLD HIM TO
01:48 - 12.050 DO SOMETHING I DON'T EVEN HAVE
01:48 - 14.430 TO DO IT AND HE YOU KNOW HE HE
01:48 - 15.590 BUT THE PARTY
01:48 - 19.960 AND HE HAD THE RIGHT NEW
01:48 - 22.280 PROSECUTE. THE CASE. AS HE SAW
01:48 - 25.120 FIT NOT THE COURT. I'M IF THEY
01:48 - 26.880 KNOW THAT HE WAS.
01:48 - 29.320 IT'S SOMETHING TO HARASS THE
01:48 - 31.050 OTHER SIDE HERE SOMETHING THAT
01:48 - 32.140 RAIN IMPEDE
01:48 - 33.880 THEIR PROSECUTION. THEY
01:48 - 35.130 COULDN'T TELL IF THEY COULD GET
01:48 - 36.300 INTO THE COURT AND ASKED THE
01:48 - 39.620 COURT KEEP HIM FROM DOING
01:48 - 41.330 CERTAIN THINGS BUT I CAN TELL
01:48 - 51.390 SO GETTING BACK
01:48 - 55.140 TO TEXAS AND AND HE HE FILED
01:48 - 56.740 FILED UNDER THE FALSE CLAIMS
01:48 - 58.320 ACT THE ACT AND THAT THE
01:48 - 00.350 LAWSUIT WAS EVENTUALLY SETTLED.
01:49 - 03.250 IT THE BANK HERE PETE OUT A
01:49 - 04.540 SUBSTANTIAL SETTLEMENT.
01:49 - 07.430 MISTER O'DONNELL RECEIVED PART
01:49 - 09.510 OF THAT SETTLEMENT THE AT A
01:49 - 11.860 PARTY TO TO A LAWSUIT.
01:49 - 15.460 HIS ACCOUNTANT REALLY SLATE
01:49 - 17.680 REPORTED THAT PAYMENTS AS
01:49 - 18.810 COMPENSATION ON HIS
01:49 - 19.940 PENNSYLVANIA PERSONAL INCOME
01:49 - 21.170 TAX RETURN, WHICH IS HOW WE
01:49 - 24.190 GOT HERE. TAXING JURISDICTION
01:49 - 25.060 DID A MATCHING.
01:49 - 25.980 SO THE INCOME
01:49 - 27.750 REPORTED FOR PENNSYLVANIA AND
01:49 - 29.890 ISSUED AN ASSESSMENT SEEKING TO
01:49 - 31.430 IMPOSE LITTLE EARNED INCOME TAX
01:49 - 31.570 ON
01:49 - 34.360 THAT PAYMENT. THE RECORDING OF
01:49 - 36.270 THE PAYMENT AS COMPENSATION WAS
01:49 - 36.770 IN HER
01:49 - 38.000 ON THE PENNSYLVANIA PERSONAL
01:49 - 39.840 INCOME TAX RETURN AND REFUND
01:49 - 42.150 WAS FILED AND THE BOARD OF
01:49 - 44.590 FINANCE AND REVENUE UNANIMOUSLY
01:49 - 46.350 OUR OLD THAT IT WAS NOT
01:49 - 48.350 COMPENSATION IN FACT THEY FOUND
01:49 - 49.680 UNANIMOUSLY THAT IT
01:49 - 52.110 WAS NOT ANY CLASS OF INCOME
01:49 - 53.090 THAT IS TAXABLE FOR
01:49 - 54.330 PENNSYLVANIA PERSONAL INCOME
01:49 - 57.660 TAX. IT IS. MILLION DOLLAR
01:49 - 00.220 REFUND OF THE TAX THAT WAS PAID
01:50 - 01.180 ON E.
01:50 - 03.100 SETTLEMENT PAYMENT.
01:50 - 06.770 >>THAT IS SORT OF HOW WE GOT
01:50 - 09.500 HERE TODAY. BEFORE I GET INTO
01:50 - 11.050 THE AIR AND SOME OF THE
01:50 - 12.700 QUESTION THAT ACCESSIBILITY I
01:50 - 13.600 WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE
01:50 - 15.880 COURT. I'M THE FIRST THING THAT
01:50 - 17.580 IS AN ISSUE I THINK IS IS
01:50 - 20.560 IF THE COURT FINDS THAT
01:50 - 22.180 PLAINTIFFS HERE IS INSANE AND
01:50 - 24.950 SIMPLER. WAY TO ADDRESS THE
01:50 - 26.030 ISSUE WHICH IS THAT
01:50 - 27.810 THERE IS AN ISSUE OF TIMELINESS
01:50 - 29.620 AND REGARD TO THE DECISION BY
01:50 - 32.490 THE AND NORTH TAX
01:50 - 34.870 COLLECTION COMMITTEE APPEALS
01:50 - 36.950 HER LITTLE TAX PURPOSES ARE
01:50 - 38.640 CONTROLLED BY LOCAL TAXPAYER
01:50 - 38.790 BILL
01:50 - 40.390 OF RIGHTS AND THE LITTLE
01:50 - 42.140 TAXPAYER BILL OF RIGHTS SECTION
01:50 - 44.990 8433 IS VERY CLEAR THAT ONCE
01:50 - 46.640 AND SUSSMAN APPEAL WAS FILED A
01:50 - 49.280 DECISION MUST BE RENDERED
01:50 - 50.400 WITHIN 60 DAYS.
01:50 - 53.090 IT'S CLEAR. THERE'S NO IFS ANDS
01:50 - 56.260 OR BUTS WELL WAYS IT'S NOT IT'S
01:50 - 57.720 NOT THAT I THOUGHT AS CLEAR AS
01:50 - 58.510 YOU WOULD SAY.
01:50 - 00.800 >>LET ME ASK YOU TO RESPECT YOU
01:51 - 02.050 AS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ONE
01:51 - 03.390 STUDENTS PILED IT HAS TO BE
01:51 - 03.940 DECIDED
01:51 - 04.770 60 DAY.
01:51 - 06.970 >>IT DOESN'T STICK TO THE DAY
01:51 - 08.630 60 DAYS OF THE DATE OF A
01:51 - 10.790 COMPLETE AND ACCURATE PETITION
01:51 - 11.780 HAS RECEIVED.
01:51 - 14.330 >>YEAH THE BACKSTORY LANGUAGE
01:51 - 16.110 SO WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE
01:51 - 17.630 DISPUTE HERE IS.
01:51 - 20.700 >>WHEN DID YOUR CLIENT SUMMIT.
01:51 - 23.450 THEY DON'T WE AND ACCURATE.
01:51 - 24.930 PETITION
01:51 - 26.060 CURRENT.
01:51 - 27.690 >>THE OR YOU'RE CORRECT JUDGE
01:51 - 28.890 DROPS AND IT DOES SAY THAT HAS
01:51 - 30.110 TO BE A COMPLETE AND ACCURATE
01:51 - 32.110 PETITION AND WE DIDN'T SUBMIT A
01:51 - 33.830 COMPLETE AND ACCURATE PETITION
01:51 - 34.550 ON AUGUST
01:51 - 38.720 21ST 2017. WHICH POSSIBLE
01:51 - 40.060 KEYSTONE HAD NOT YET BEEN
01:51 - 41.670 FINALIZED HIS DECISION.
01:51 - 44.560 >>AND THEN CLAIM IT PALIN
01:51 - 45.720 ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A
01:51 - 48.360 SUPPLEMENTAL PETITION THAT
01:51 - 48.790 INCLUDED
01:51 - 49.700 THAT INFORMATION.
01:51 - 51.810 >>WHEN YOU'RE ON THE DAY THEY
01:51 - 53.900 COME THEY DID WHAT THEY
01:51 - 55.410 ISSUED ON MAY 24TH WASN'T
01:51 - 57.220 NOTICED IT WAS A FORMAL NOTICE.
01:51 - 00.160 IT SHOOT THE AMOUNT OF TAX TO
01:52 - 03.020 THE AMOUNT OF THE PENALTY
01:52 - 05.610 STUDENT ACOSTA IT STAYED RIGHT
01:52 - 08.060 ON THERE THAT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT
01:52 - 10.250 TO COLLECT A DEBT. IT STAYED ON
01:52 - 12.310 THE AIR. YOU CAN CONTACT YOUR
01:52 - 14.160 RIGHTS IN REGARDS TO APPEAL.
01:52 - 14.800 IT WAS
01:52 - 17.640 THE ONLY FORMAL OFFICIAL
01:52 - 19.570 DOCUMENT ISSUED BY THE
01:52 - 22.440 TAXING JURISDICTION, SEEKING TO
01:52 - 23.810 TAX AND THE INTEREST AND A
01:52 - 25.630 PENALTY FROM THE TAXPAYER.
01:52 - 26.880 >>BUT DIDN'T YOUR OWN CLIENT
01:52 - 27.550 EVEN ASKED FOR
01:52 - 29.930 A CONTINUANCE WE DID NOT WE DID
01:52 - 31.580 NOT ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE WHAT
01:52 - 31.760 WE
01:52 - 33.900 ASKED FOR WAS NOT THE
01:52 - 36.150 COLLECTION A COLLECTION THAT IS
01:52 - 37.580 A COLLECTION OF MONEY ON THE
01:52 - 38.310 ACCOUNTING PUT
01:52 - 40.860 IN SUSPECT. WELL THEY MAY BE
01:52 - 43.390 OTHER SIDE ASK FOR A COPY OF
01:52 - 45.590 THE SETTLEMENT AGREE WHICH WE.
01:52 - 47.820 AND SAID THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE
01:52 - 49.020 TO THEM ONCE WE WERE IN
01:52 - 50.920 SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO YOU
01:52 - 52.290 BECAUSE IT WAS FILED.
01:52 - 53.950 BUT CHAPTER MEMBERS CASE WAS
01:52 - 55.530 FILED UNDER SEAL THE FEDERAL
01:52 - 57.560 CASE. SO WE NEEDED TO CONFIRM
01:52 - 58.550 THAT WE COULD SHARE THE
01:52 - 59.690 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITHOUT
01:52 - 01.230 VIOLATING ANY FEDERAL
01:53 - 04.950 ISSUES THERE I THINK PROVIDING
01:53 - 06.540 THE 70 DEGREE MEANT THEY HAD
01:53 - 07.610 ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THERE
01:53 - 08.720 IS A TAX CUT. IT
01:53 - 09.900 WAS A FORMAL NOTICE AND HE SAID
01:53 - 10.890 SURE WE'LL SEND YOU THE
01:53 - 12.410 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. WE HAVE
01:53 - 14.070 TALKED TO THEM ABOUT MAYBE IN
01:53 - 15.300 THE END THEY WOULD DECIDE TO
01:53 - 17.110 REVERSE THE ASSESSMENT BASED ON
01:53 - 18.410 ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED
01:53 - 20.140 THAT DOESN'T HOLD A STATUE FOR
01:53 - 21.440 US TO FILE
01:53 - 23.450 AN APPEAL. IF WE HADN'T FILED
01:53 - 24.610 THAT APPEAL WITHIN 90 DAYS.
01:53 - 25.780 I'M PRETTY SURE WE'D BE SITTING
01:53 - 27.250 HERE HAVING A VERY DIFFERENT
01:53 - 28.590 QUESTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE
01:53 - 29.620 HAD DONE SOMETHING.
01:53 - 35.000 THIS UP AND I'M THE SAME TRACK
01:53 - 35.480 WHERE BILLS
01:53 - 36.140 OF RIGHTS.
01:53 - 38.590 >>EURO BY RELYING ON REQUIRE
01:53 - 39.940 LOCAL TAXING AUTHORITIES TO
01:53 - 41.790 ESTABLISH PROCESSES AND
01:53 - 44.140 PROCEDURES. THE HANDLING OF
01:53 - 45.080 THESE CLAIMS.
01:53 - 48.950 PARTICULARLY SPECIFYING FORM
01:53 - 51.300 AND CONTACTS. WE KNOW WHAT IS
01:53 - 53.590 IN THAT FOR 31 BE.
01:53 - 57.270 HERE SHORTLY AFTER I THINK
01:53 - 59.040 WAS DAYS. AFTER YOU
01:53 - 01.250 INITIALLY SAID THAT YOU'RE YOU
01:54 - 02.770 ARE WHAT YOU CALL YOUR PETITION
01:54 - 03.210 YOU RECEIVE
01:54 - 05.750 AN EMAIL FROM THE TAXING
01:54 - 07.320 AUTHORITY THAT THAT HERE'S OUR
01:54 - 09.380 RULES AND GUIDELINES AND HEARS
01:54 - 11.700 BEFORE THAT YOU NEED TO USE.
01:54 - 14.570 HER FOR REASONS THAT SEEM TO BE
01:54 - 16.160 INEXPLICABLE IN THE RECORD.
01:54 - 18.720 YOUR ARE. YOUR CLIENT THEN
01:54 - 21.780 WAITED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 18 TO
01:54 - 23.270 ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE
01:54 - 25.760 REQUIRED FORM. UNDER THE
01:54 - 27.060 BOARD'S PROCEDURES.
01:54 - 31.820 WHY DOESN'T THIS IS WHY DOING
01:54 - 34.810 IS IN 9 1827 IN THE EARLY
01:54 - 36.810 AS TODAY THAT YOU FILED A
01:54 - 39.080 COMPLETE AND ACCURATE PETITION
01:54 - 42.870 PURSUANT TO THE ACTED AS WELL
01:54 - 44.800 AS THE BILL OF RIGHTS PROVISION
01:54 - 46.410 LAW AS WELL AS THE RULES
01:54 - 47.520 ESTABLISHED BY THAT ACCIDENT
01:54 - 47.830 COURT.
01:54 - 50.500 >>I WAS JUST PROPS AND
01:54 - 53.590 WE ASKED ONCE WE GOT THE NOTICE
01:54 - 55.500 THE ASSESSMENT NOTICE WE ASKED
01:54 - 56.710 TIME AND TIME AGAIN
01:54 - 58.440 AND WE HAVE COPIES OF YOUR
01:54 - 00.240 PROCEDURES AND WE HAVE A COPY
01:55 - 01.220 OF THE WORDS THAT
01:55 - 03.330 YOU HAVE AND WE WERE TOLD WE
01:55 - 04.990 DON'T HAVE PROCEDURES WE
01:55 - 08.350 DON'T HAVE A HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN
01:55 - 09.770 THE AUGUST 2030 NOW.
01:55 - 12.670 >>THE AUGUST 23RD EMAIL.
01:55 - 14.110 >>FROM.
01:55 - 16.010 >>THERE
01:55 - 17.170 ARE 7.
01:55 - 19.340 >>ISN'T THAT THE WORD IN THAT I
01:55 - 20.860 MADE I HAVE HAD A ROCKY BOTTOM
01:55 - 22.200 20 WRITTEN DOWN WHERE YOU'VE
01:55 - 24.200 GOT AN E-MAIL FROM OUT OF THE
01:55 - 24.900 SOLICITOR,
01:55 - 28.070 4 THE BORDER, WHAT FOR THAT TAX
01:55 - 29.270 REFORM AND THE RULE.
01:55 - 31.170 >>AND THAT THAT WAS BECAUSE WE
01:55 - 33.170 FIND HE HAD ASKED FOR THE FORMS
01:55 - 34.080 THEY WERE TOLD THERE'S AN
01:55 - 35.220 E-MAIL WHERE IT SAYS WE
01:55 - 36.200 UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE
01:55 - 38.030 ANY PROCEDURES AND FORMS FILING
01:55 - 38.820 OUR PETITION
01:55 - 40.560 AND THEN 2 DAYS AFTER HE FILED
01:55 - 42.060 A PETITION WE'VE GOT AN E-MAIL
01:55 - 43.130 FROM THE OPPOSING COUNSEL
01:55 - 45.270 SAYING OH SORRY BASICALLY SORRY
01:55 - 46.680 ABOUT THE CONFUSION BE TO
01:55 - 48.210 ACTUALLY HAVE A FORUM HERE
01:55 - 51.200 IN IT. PROVIDED NOTHING ELSE
01:55 - 53.030 OTHER THAN WHAT WAS BEFORE
01:55 - 53.970 THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
01:55 - 55.900 IT INCLUDES ANYTHING THAT WE
01:55 - 57.300 HAD ALREADY PROVIDE IT.
01:55 - 59.910 WE WE ASKED FOR IT AND WE'RE
01:55 - 01.370 TOLD THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST AND
01:56 - 02.980 ARE GIVEN IT TO WHATEVER IT WAS
01:56 - 04.330 ONLY A COUPLE DAYS LATER YOU
01:56 - 06.370 WAITED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 18 TO
01:56 - 06.940 TIBET.
01:56 - 09.180 >>IF YOU WOULD IT MEAN IF YOU
01:56 - 10.020 WOULD HAVE TURNED THAT FORM
01:56 - 11.800 AROUND IT WAS THE VIEW THAT IT
01:56 - 13.100 WAS JUST RESTATING EVERYTHING
01:56 - 14.380 YOU DID WHY DIDN'T FORM GOING
01:56 - 15.190 ON 24.
01:56 - 18.630 >>AND THEY DIDN'T GO ON AND ON
01:56 - 19.570 24 MINUTES
01:56 - 22.240 IN WE KNEW WE WEREN'T WE FELT
01:56 - 22.710 THAT WE ARE
01:56 - 24.190 YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH
01:56 - 25.760 EVERYTHING IS JUST A MATTER OF
01:56 - 27.470 YOU KNOW YES GOING OUT THE FORM
01:56 - 30.050 THEY HAVE AND I TO TO
01:56 - 32.300 TO SUBJECT OF A TAXPAYER TO NOT
01:56 - 34.230 SO WARM THAT WAY WE WERE GIVEN
01:56 - 37.200 UNTIL AFTER. AFTER THE DEADLINE
01:56 - 38.930 AND AFTER YOU FILE AN APPEAL.
01:56 - 41.750 THIS CAN BE WOULD NOT BE
01:56 - 43.330 APPROPRIATE UNDER THE STATUTE.
01:56 - 45.830 WE DID GET GET IT DID NOT
01:56 - 47.350 CONTAIN ANYTHING ANY
01:56 - 48.450 INFORMATION THAT THEY DIDN'T
01:56 - 49.190 ALREADY HAVE.
01:56 - 50.530 WE'RE
01:56 - 54.330 WHY THEN DID YOU FINALLY SEND
01:56 - 56.010 THEM ON SEPTEMBER 18.
01:56 - 00.140 >>BEEN SAID
01:57 - 01.610 YOU KNOW HAD A CHANCE FOR IT AT
01:57 - 03.560 THAT POINT IN TIME THEY GAINED
01:57 - 03.730 ON
01:57 - 06.080 SEPTEMBER 7. YOU DON'T MAIL
01:57 - 07.870 SAYING WELL, YOU KNOW WE'VE
01:57 - 09.350 MADE OUR FINAL DETERMINATION.
01:57 - 13.000 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THERE'S AN
01:57 - 13.410 EMAIL
01:57 - 14.140 THAT SAYS.
01:57 - 17.750 >>EVERY YEAR MY THE APPEAL.
01:57 - 19.200 I'M CERTAIN.
01:57 - 22.350 PEOPLE ARE TALKING AT THE SAME
01:57 - 23.870 TIME I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HEAR YOU
01:57 - 24.740 I APOLOGIZE.
01:57 - 27.190 >>I JUST WANT TO
01:57 - 30.390 CLARIFY THE SEPTEMBER 7 EMAIL
01:57 - 31.890 SAYING THAT DETERMINATION
01:57 - 34.260 WAS MADE. BUT THE DETERMINATION
01:57 - 36.770 ON APPEAL YOU EARLIER FALL
01:57 - 37.860 FILED.
01:57 - 41.120 >>MISTER MISTER AGAINST IT.
01:57 - 43.080 MISTER VINCENT C BILL.
01:57 - 44.170 >>THANK GOD.
01:57 - 46.420 RIGHT BUT AT
01:57 - 49.650 BUT AGAIN THAT'S AN E-MAIL THAT
01:57 - 51.280 SAID THAT YOU KNOW THEY THEY
01:57 - 53.290 DETERMINED THAT AND HE KNOWS
01:57 - 55.410 THAT AND THEY DETERMINED THAT
01:57 - 56.560 THE ASSESSMENT WAS
01:57 - 59.960 CORRECT. BUT THE AMOUNT THAT
01:57 - 00.670 HAD BEEN LISTED ON THE
01:58 - 02.550 ASSESSMENT REMAIN DIDN'T WORK
01:58 - 04.440 YOU KNOW WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
01:58 - 06.200 AND EMAIL COULD NOT BE AN
01:58 - 07.650 ASSESSMENT, I MEAN IT IS
01:58 - 11.080 WE'RE GOING TO AN EMAIL CAN BE
01:58 - 12.040 AN ASSESSMENT.
01:58 - 14.080 AND THAT YOU DON'T NEED A
01:58 - 16.610 FORMAL ACTUAL KNOW WHY THAT
01:58 - 18.290 HAPPENED HERE I DON'T KNOW HOW
01:58 - 19.800 TAXPAYERS EVER GOING TO KNOW
01:58 - 21.610 WHEN YOUR TIME FOR FILING AN
01:58 - 22.640 APPEAL START.
01:58 - 25.120 >>OKAY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
01:58 - 26.880 MISTER CHERNEY CARELESS FROM
01:58 - 27.220 YOUR
01:58 - 29.800 LAW FIRM SENATE EMAIL SO WE
01:58 - 31.270 WILL WAIT FOR KEYSTONE'S
01:58 - 33.730 FINAL DETERMINATION BEFORE
01:58 - 35.560 SUPPLEMENTING THE PETITION WITH
01:58 - 37.900 THE COVER FORM YOU PROVIDED
01:58 - 39.350 UNIQUE MISTER VINCENT
01:58 - 42.740 PROVIDED ON AUGUST 2320 17 IN
01:58 - 44.040 ORDER TO SCHEDULE A HEARING.
01:58 - 47.030 IT SEEM LIKE. MISTER O'DONNELL
01:58 - 49.390 WAS HIMSELF WAS WAITING WITH A
01:58 - 50.690 FINAL DETERMINATION FROM
01:58 - 53.560 KEYSTONE BEFORE COMPLETING
01:58 - 55.780 THE FORUM. HE APPEARED TO BE
01:58 - 57.740 AWARE THAT HE HAD A COMPLETE IN
01:58 - 59.130 ORDER TO GET THE HEARING GOING.
01:59 - 02.800 >>AND I'M I'M I BELIEVE THAT
01:59 - 03.470 AND
01:59 - 05.740 I I I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE
01:59 - 07.440 THAT WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR
01:59 - 09.650 WAS WE HAD A SUSPECT WE FILED
01:59 - 10.250 AN APPEAL.
01:59 - 12.380 >>THESE DON'T DISCUSSIONS WITH
01:59 - 14.300 THE TAXING AUTHORITY YOURSELF
01:59 - 15.290 DISCUSSION THAT THEY MIGHT
01:59 - 16.520 STRENGTH THE ASSESSMENT IF THEY
01:59 - 17.510 COULD IN THE SUMMIT.
01:59 - 20.910 WE IT THAT THERE IS
01:59 - 22.970 DOCUMENTATION THAT IT APPEAR
01:59 - 23.370 THAT THERE
01:59 - 25.700 >>WAITING OF COMPLETING THE
01:59 - 27.990 FORM UNTIL A KEY STATE AND THIS
01:59 - 29.840 IS THE E MAIL BOMB.
01:59 - 33.400 LAW FIRM. THEN WHY THEY'RE
01:59 - 35.020 WAITING TO SUBMIT THE PETITION
01:59 - 35.390 UNTIL A
01:59 - 36.100 LATER DATE.
01:59 - 38.770 >>AND REDMOND AND WE AGAIN WE
01:59 - 40.500 WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR WAS TO
01:59 - 42.330 BE REWORKED WAITING TO FILE THE
01:59 - 43.590 APPEAL WE ALREADY FILED
01:59 - 46.350 THE APPEAL. AND IF YOU DO
01:59 - 48.560 NOT ONLY APPRECIATE THE E-MAIL
01:59 - 49.730 BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LETTER
01:59 - 50.930 WRITTEN CLEARLY STATED THAT
01:59 - 52.130 WHILE WE WERE WELL WE'RE
01:59 - 52.460 WILLING
01:59 - 53.890 TO WAIT THE STATE THEY WERE
01:59 - 55.490 REALLY TO STRIKE THE ASSESSMENT
01:59 - 56.430 BASED ON THE SETTLEMENT.
01:59 - 58.170 THERE IS ALSO CLEAR LANGUAGE IN
01:59 - 58.720 OUR LETTER
01:59 - 00.870 THAT'S YOU ARE NOT LEAVING, I
02:00 - 02.270 MEAN IF YOU IF THERE WAS A
02:00 - 04.340 LETTER THAT CLEARLY STATED THAT
02:00 - 06.570 WHILE WE SAID WE WOULD WAIT THE
02:00 - 08.160 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT CHANGE THE
02:00 - 09.900 ASSESSMENT. THE FOREGOING
02:00 - 11.530 SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS A
02:00 - 13.580 WAIVER BY MY CLIENT OF ANY
02:00 - 15.140 APPLICABLE TIME PERIOD AND TO
02:00 - 16.560 THE LOCAL TAXPAYER BILL OF
02:00 - 18.110 RIGHTS IN REGARD TO HIS
02:00 - 20.210 PETITION FILED ON AUGUST 21ST.
02:00 - 22.750 >>BUT THEN THEY GO
02:00 - 24.790 BACK TO THE READING OF A
02:00 - 25.380 COMPLETE
02:00 - 26.980 AND ACCURATE.
02:00 - 29.490 >>YEAH AND I AND OUR POSITION
02:00 - 31.280 IS THAT ARE ON THIS 21ST
02:00 - 32.650 PETITION WAS COMPLETE AN
02:00 - 33.930 ACCURATE THERE WAS NOT
02:00 - 36.500 ANYTHING THAT WAS INCLUDED AND
02:00 - 38.110 WHAT WE CALL OUR SUPPLEMENT
02:00 - 39.370 THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE
02:00 - 40.680 AUGUST 20.
02:00 - 42.650 >>OTHER THAN YOUR WELL OVER
02:00 - 44.140 YOUR TIME I DO HAVE ONE QUICK
02:00 - 46.250 QUESTION AND THAT IS IF THE
02:00 - 46.950 HOME AND WHAT
02:00 - 49.170 YOU CALL KOPPELMAN TO PETITION
02:00 - 51.630 FOR APPEAL FILED AUGUST 24 PER
02:00 - 53.540 THAT FORM THAT WAS PROVIDED TO
02:00 - 53.990 YOU
02:00 - 57.780 >>YOU AFTER AUGUST
02:00 - 59.590 21ST EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TO ASK
02:00 - 00.660 WHERE WE WERE TOLD THAT IT
02:01 - 01.810 DIDN'T EXIST AND THEN IT WAS
02:01 - 03.190 E-MAILED TO US AFTER WE HAVE
02:01 - 04.130 FILED A PETITION.
02:01 - 05.990 >>I THINK THE MEDIA'S QUESTION
02:01 - 07.410 WAS DIFFERENT FOR YOU WHERE YOU
02:01 - 09.280 LATER FILED THE SUPPLEMENT TO
02:01 - 11.220 THE AUGUST 21ST THAT WAS ON THE
02:01 - 11.810 BORDER.
02:01 - 15.600 >>THAT REZONE OR IT WHEN WE GO
02:01 - 16.600 OUT INTO THE UNIT.
02:01 - 19.070 >>I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO
02:01 - 20.990 ADD THAT CAPTION AT THE TOP.
02:01 - 23.570 SUPPLEMENT TO PETITION FOR
02:01 - 25.460 APPEAL AND COATED WITH THAT
02:01 - 27.560 BEING ONE OF THE FORMS YOU
02:01 - 29.590 COULD GET FROM THE.
02:01 - 33.380 ELECTION COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW WE
02:01 - 34.730 HAVE OUR APPEAL FORM AND THEN
02:01 - 36.410 WE HAVE OUR HOME AND FORM THAT
02:01 - 37.790 WE WE ADD TO THAT.
02:01 - 39.480 >>BECAUSE IN OUR MIND IT WAS A
02:01 - 40.030 SUPPLEMENT.
02:01 - 44.020 >>YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE
02:01 - 44.840 YOU YOU.
02:01 - 46.620 >>BRING YOUR WELL OVER YOUR
02:01 - 48.770 TIME 4 MINUTES SO I THINK AT
02:01 - 50.720 THIS POINT WE'LL HEAR FROM MR.
02:01 - 53.390 INTENT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
02:01 - 54.570 >>AND YOU KNOW.
02:01 - 59.400 YES YOU ARE HEARING.
02:02 - 02.060 I MAY PLEASE THE COURT
02:02 - 03.390 CHRISTOPHER VINCENT ON BEHALF
02:02 - 03.470 OF
02:02 - 05.700 THE EMPLOYEES. AS MISS UP TO
02:02 - 07.520 THIS POINT THERE ARE 2 ISSUES
02:02 - 09.780 HERE ONE IS A TIMING ISSUE THAT
02:02 - 10.480 YOU'RE OWNERS HAVE
02:02 - 12.160 BEEN INVESTIGATING AND
02:02 - 13.710 DISCUSSING A AND THE SECOND
02:02 - 14.040 ISSUE
02:02 - 17.050 WHETHER OR NOT THE PAYMENT THAT
02:02 - 18.790 WAS RECEIVED BY THE TAXPAYER IS
02:02 - 22.390 COMPENSATION OR EARNED AND A
02:02 - 23.130 TAXABLE AT THE
02:02 - 26.040 LOCAL LEVEL. I'D LIKE TO TO
02:02 - 27.300 FIRST ADDRESS TO ONE OF THE
02:02 - 28.380 ISSUES THAT DON'T MISS A THING
02:02 - 28.790 HAS
02:02 - 31.130 HAS RAISED AND SHE ALLEGES
02:02 - 35.960 THROUGHOUT DIALOGUE BETWEEN
02:02 - 38.180 HER OFFICE ATTACKS OFFICER THAT
02:02 - 39.140 THEY REQUESTED.
02:02 - 41.970 THIS APPEALS FORM I WOULD POINT
02:02 - 42.970 OUT THAT THE RECORD DOES NOT
02:02 - 45.090 SUPPORT THAT AT ALL. IN FACT IT
02:02 - 47.610 TAX OFFICER WHO VOLUNTARILY
02:02 - 51.040 PROVIDED THE APPEALS FOR TO A
02:02 - 53.710 CLOSING COUNCIL. A SECOND I
02:02 - 54.060 WOULD LIKE
02:02 - 57.390 I EXPLAIN A BROADER OVERVIEW OF
02:02 - 59.390 THE TIMING HERE BECAUSE I THINK
02:02 - 01.120 THAT'S IMPORTANT UNDER THE
02:03 - 02.550 LOCAL TAXPAYER BILL OF RIGHTS
02:03 - 04.080 HAS BEEN SOME POINTED OUT.
02:03 - 06.920 THERE IS A PROCESS FOR APPEALS
02:03 - 08.520 AND THAT PROCESS STARTS OUT
02:03 - 10.500 DETERMINATION IS MADE BY THE
02:03 - 12.140 TAX OFFICER, THE ATTACKS DO
02:03 - 15.250 YOU. WHEN HE NOTICED THAT
02:03 - 16.210 WAS ISSUED.
02:03 - 18.810 THE NATURE OF THE EARNINGS IN
02:03 - 20.390 THAT NOTICE WE ARE NOT KNOWN TO
02:03 - 20.480 THE
02:03 - 23.740 TAX OFFICER I KNOW NO LOWER
02:03 - 24.730 INCOME TAX RETURN OF BEEN
02:03 - 26.230 PROVIDED TO THE TAX OFFICER.
02:03 - 28.100 THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIATED
02:03 - 29.310 DOCUMENTATION WITH.
02:03 - 31.870 IN THE
02:03 - 33.910 TAX OFFICE HERE LET ME KNOW
02:03 - 35.730 YOUR YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT
02:03 - 38.320 YOU'RE NO TO A MAY 24.
02:03 - 41.040 >>2017 WAS. JUST A REQUEST
02:03 - 42.050 FOR INFORMATION.
02:03 - 43.620 >>THAT'S CORRECT YOUR HONOR THE
02:03 - 44.730 LANGUAGE IN THAT NOTE IS
02:03 - 46.100 CLEARLY INDICATES THAT IT WAS A
02:03 - 47.600 PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS.
02:03 - 50.270 WHEREBY THE TAX OFFICER
02:03 - 51.910 EXAMINES WHAT WAS REPORTED TO
02:03 - 53.380 THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND
02:03 - 54.610 WHAT WAS REPORTED TO THE LOCAL
02:03 - 57.020 MUNICIPALITIES IF THERE'S A
02:03 - 58.240 MAJOR WITH A I THINK IT WAS
02:03 - 59.280 THAT I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE
02:03 - 00.940 BIT MORE MORE THAN THAT HAPPY
02:04 - 02.430 SAY PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS I
02:04 - 03.300 THINK IT WAS THE POINT MARY
02:04 - 04.400 TERMINATION THE QUESTION IS
02:04 - 05.280 WHETHER ME.
02:04 - 06.890 >>THE DEFINITION OF A SECOND.
02:04 - 10.110 IN THE ACTION. IT DOESN'T LOOK
02:04 - 11.790 LIKE AN ASSESSMENT. NOW
02:04 - 14.030 I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT FOR
02:04 - 15.610 WHAT THE HECK OF A WAR MORE LOT
02:04 - 16.860 MORE LIKE AN ASSESSMENT BEEN
02:04 - 18.380 LETTER YOU LATER SACKED,
02:04 - 19.900 SAYING WE'VE
02:04 - 24.420 INVESTIGATED AND THE SO SO TELL
02:04 - 26.610 ME HOW YOUR LETTER. IS MORE
02:04 - 26.850 LIKE
02:04 - 29.250 AN ASSESSMENT. THAT AND THE
02:04 - 31.780 COMPUTER GENERATED NOTICE THAT
02:04 - 33.480 YOU SAID EARLIER FOR PURPOSES
02:04 - 34.730 OF THE DEFINITION OF A SPECIMEN
02:04 - 35.210 IN THE CODE.
02:04 - 37.800 >>SURE ARE. THE EMAIL THAT WAS
02:04 - 40.550 SENT TO OPPOSING WAS
02:04 - 43.320 SEN. AFTER
02:04 - 44.740 THEY SUPPLIED THE DOCUMENTATION
02:04 - 46.420 NECESSARY TO DETERMINE THE
02:04 - 48.430 EARNINGS THAT WE'RE IN THE ERA
02:04 - 49.550 THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE
02:04 - 52.270 ORIGINAL NOTICE THAT WAS UP TO
02:04 - 52.930 THAT POINT.
02:04 - 55.070 THERE HAVE BEEN NO
02:04 - 57.440 DOCUMENTATION SAYING WELL THOSE
02:04 - 59.190 EARNINGS COM FOR ARE COMPRISED
02:04 - 01.390 OF THIS TYPE OF.
02:05 - 02.610 >>OF
02:05 - 05.570 >>FOR ALL WE KNOW THERE ARE AS
02:05 - 06.840 WE POINT OUT THEIR BRIEFS OR A
02:05 - 08.300 CLASS STUDY OF INCOME IN
02:05 - 10.320 PENNSYLVANIA CAPITOL I KNOW I
02:05 - 11.520 KNOW YOU'RE SAYING I KNOW I
02:05 - 13.050 KNOW WHY YOU SENT THE LETTER.
02:05 - 14.110 >>AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M
02:05 - 15.800 TALKING ABOUT I KNOW WHY YOU
02:05 - 16.680 SENATE BUT YOU COULD HAVE
02:05 - 18.050 OFFERED JUST REALLY GOING TO BE
02:05 - 20.190 MALE LIKE YOU DID LATER OR
02:05 - 21.300 A LETTER AND
02:05 - 23.020 SAID HEY WE SAW THE PLANE COME
02:05 - 24.420 CAN YOU EXPLAIN AND WHAT IS
02:05 - 26.410 THAT THAT KIND OF THING THEY
02:05 - 26.980 HAD A
02:05 - 29.940 FORMAL C THAT THAT HE RECEIVE
02:05 - 31.850 THAT IT HAD TO HAVE THE YOU
02:05 - 33.150 KNOW THE GOVERNMENT ON IT AND
02:05 - 34.560 HAD IT THIS IS ACTION TO
02:05 - 36.040 COLLECT THE DEBT IT HAD THE
02:05 - 38.090 EXACT NATURE, I MEAN I'M AT AS
02:05 - 39.470 I LOOK AT THE CODE DEFINITION
02:05 - 41.420 THIS AFTERNOON. IT PRETTY MUCH
02:05 - 42.610 MONEY THE DEFINITION OF AN
02:05 - 43.690 ASSESSMENT, A HECK OF A LOT
02:05 - 44.610 MORE THAN YOUR E-MAIL
02:05 - 46.940 LATER DEAD. I KNOW YOU'RE
02:05 - 48.330 SAYING IT WAS JUST TO GET
02:05 - 50.540 INFORMATION. BUT SURELY YOU
02:05 - 51.530 COULD HAVE DONE THAT THE HECK
02:05 - 52.910 OF A LOT LESS FORMAL WAY.
02:05 - 55.260 >>WE ARE I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT
02:05 - 58.020 THE SCOPE OF A TAX COLLECTION
02:05 - 59.700 ON THIS HOLE.
02:06 - 02.020 IN THE LETTERS THE NOTICES THAT
02:06 - 03.650 WERE SENT OUR SON OUR SON OUT
02:06 - 05.540 TO YOU TOO. THOUSANDS OF
02:06 - 08.530 TAXPAYERS THE TAX OFFICER HAS
02:06 - 10.390 IDENTIFIED A DISCREPANCY IT
02:06 - 12.130 REALLY IS A FORM LETTER AND AS
02:06 - 12.520 THE TRIAL
02:06 - 16.480 YOU KNOW HELD AT THE NOTICE AND
02:06 - 18.770 THE CONDUCT OF OPPOSING COUNCIL
02:06 - 20.530 INDICATED THAT IT WAS NOT.
02:06 - 22.600 ASSESSMENT AND AS I STATED WE
02:06 - 23.700 SAY THEY'RE BRIEFING COULDN'T
02:06 - 25.300 HAVE BEEN AN ASSESSMENT BECAUSE
02:06 - 26.630 AN ASSESSMENT AS DEFINED BY THE
02:06 - 27.920 LOCAL TAXPAYER BILL OF RIGHTS
02:06 - 29.500 IS DETERMINATION THAT THE TAXES
02:06 - 31.280 DUE AND HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO
02:06 - 33.430 KNOW THAT ATTACK TO DO IF YOU
02:06 - 34.400 DON'T KNOW THE NATURE OF THE
02:06 - 36.950 TAX. THE INFORMATION PROVIDED
02:06 - 37.140 IN THE
02:06 - 39.100 NOTICE IS WELL YOU'RE RIGHT
02:06 - 41.040 DIRECTION, DO YOU SAID YOU THAT
02:06 - 43.050 IF YOU DON'T YOU NEED TO DO
02:06 - 43.840 SOMETHING.
02:06 - 46.520 >>0.30 DAYS OR YOU HAVE TO PAY
02:06 - 47.240 THE TAX.
02:06 - 48.200 >>IT WILL
02:06 - 50.050 DETERMINE NATION. THE LINE OR
02:06 - 51.740 YOU OR LEAVE THAT I'M LESS
02:06 - 52.690 YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE SENDING
02:06 - 53.740 THESE NOTICES.
02:06 - 56.010 >>OUR WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER A
02:06 - 56.420 TAX
02:06 - 59.450 IS DUE AND EVERY THAT THAT'S
02:07 - 02.760 INTERESTING
02:07 - 04.880 WAY TO WAY TO GET INFORMATION
02:07 - 05.790 TO THE TREATMENT OF MARRIAGE
02:07 - 06.810 ACT DO HERE WE THINK
02:07 - 08.490 IT IS WE'VE BEEN Q A WITH A
02:07 - 09.880 MILLION DOLLARS IN TAXES
02:07 - 11.260 APPROVAL PROVE US WRONG OR GIVE
02:07 - 12.500 US INFORMATION IF YOU DON'T DO
02:07 - 13.660 IT IN 30 DAYS, THE TAX
02:07 - 14.170 MAN COMETH.
02:07 - 15.790 >>WELL YOUR HONOR I THINK IT'S
02:07 - 17.420 IMPORTANT TO FIRST RECOGNIZE
02:07 - 19.270 THAT IS NOT THE GAY SHUN ON
02:07 - 21.070 INDIVIDUALS TO FILE AN
02:07 - 22.670 AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION TO FILE
02:07 - 23.580 THEIR TAX RETURN AND ALL
02:07 - 25.900 SUPPORTING GOT. IS THAT THE
02:07 - 29.000 NOTICE CLEARLY THAT THE FIGURES
02:07 - 30.270 GENERATED IN THERE ONE OUR
02:07 - 33.550 CULINARY ANALYSIS INTO A BIG
02:07 - 36.470 FOUND A BALANCE.
02:07 - 38.460 >>DO AS OF THE DATE OF
02:07 - 42.950 THE NOTICE. $437,000 WHERE DOES
02:07 - 43.870 IT SAY THIS TOO.
02:07 - 46.710 >>RIGHT BEFORE
02:07 - 48.310 THE FIGURES AND SAY IS THIS
02:07 - 50.320 PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS INDICATES
02:07 - 51.090 A DEFICIENCY
02:07 - 55.200 AND PRIOR TO EXPLAINS HOW THE
02:07 - 56.400 PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS
02:07 - 58.640 IS CONDUCTED AND AS I SAID THEY
02:07 - 00.420 EXAMINE EARNINGS REPORT TO THE
02:08 - 00.830 DEPARTMENT
02:08 - 02.470 OF REVENUE COMPARE THAT WITH
02:08 - 03.650 WHAT WAS WHAT IS FILED WITH
02:08 - 05.410 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
02:08 - 09.330 IT PROVIDES. AND WHAT'S MY
02:08 - 11.440 NATION AS TO WHY THOSE FIGURES
02:08 - 12.400 COULD BE WRONG.
02:08 - 15.510 IN THIS CASE AS I SAID DID THE
02:08 - 16.900 NATURE OF THE EARNINGS WERE
02:08 - 18.480 KNOWN TO THE TAX OFFICER AT
02:08 - 20.070 THERE'S NO RETURNS FIRE.
02:08 - 22.400 SO IT
02:08 - 25.000 REALLY IS AS THE NOTICE
02:08 - 25.910 EXPLAINS THE PRINT IT
02:08 - 27.840 PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS WHERE THE
02:08 - 29.970 TAX OFFICER DOES NOT
02:08 - 32.200 KNOW IF IF THE AMOUNT LISTED
02:08 - 34.370 THERE IS ACTUALLY DO IT'S A
02:08 - 34.680 IT'S
02:08 - 37.310 ESSENTIALLY EVEN AN EDUCATED
02:08 - 39.570 GUESS BASED ON WHAT IS FILED
02:08 - 41.030 WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
02:08 - 43.160 AS AS I STATED THERE ARE
02:08 - 45.210 SITUATIONS WHERE EVEN IF THE
02:08 - 47.730 TAX WAS FULLY WITHHELD IT COULD
02:08 - 48.710 HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO A
02:08 - 50.130 DIFFERENT TAX COLLECTOR
02:08 - 51.530 AND ANY SUPPORTING
02:08 - 53.440 DOCUMENTATION COULD INDICATE
02:08 - 55.200 USED BY THE TAX OFFICE OR
02:08 - 56.600 SUBMIT A CLAIM TO THE ATTACK
02:08 - 57.970 THAT OTHER TAX OFFICER TO GET
02:08 - 00.590 THOSE TAX FUNDS BACK IS
02:09 - 02.260 REALLY EASY. THE ESTABLISHMENT
02:09 - 04.110 OF A DIALOGUE. AND THAT'S
02:09 - 05.980 PRECISELY WHAT HAPPENED HERE AS
02:09 - 08.640 SOON AS QUESTION AND SO.
02:09 - 10.770 >>WHO WOULD YOU HAVE A FORMAL
02:09 - 12.180 ASSESSMENT FORM.
02:09 - 13.660 >>THIS WAS DONE BY
02:09 - 14.760 EMAIL APPARENTLY.
02:09 - 17.100 >>I WAS SOMEBODY YOU KNOW I
02:09 - 19.210 THINK HE'S NOT ACTUALLY FOR SO
02:09 - 20.280 THERE'S NOTHING FORMAL THAT
02:09 - 20.720 YOU HAVE.
02:09 - 22.290 >>KNOWING THE LAW DOESN'T
02:09 - 23.620 REQUIRE IT THERE IS NO STATUTE
02:09 - 24.220 THAT SAYS
02:09 - 26.370 THERE HAS TO BE A FORM THAT IS
02:09 - 27.390 SENT OUT SAYING THIS IS A
02:09 - 28.960 DETERMINATION ALL IT SAYS IS.
02:09 - 31.880 >>A FINAL DETERMINATION HAS TO
02:09 - 32.570 BE SENT OUT
02:09 - 35.900 REASONING. EXPLANATION IS TO
02:09 - 37.900 PROVIDE TO THE THE ATTACKS.
02:09 - 38.640 THAT'S THAT'S WHAT
02:09 - 40.990 OCCURRED HERE. IT WAS THE TURN
02:09 - 42.800 IT WAS COMPENSATION AGAIN AFTER
02:09 - 44.330 THE DOCUMENTATION WAS SUPPLIED
02:09 - 46.090 AFTER REPEATED REQUESTS.
02:09 - 48.950 >>2 OPPOSING COUNCIL.
02:09 - 51.710 I YOU GET THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS
02:09 - 52.590 INTO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY
02:09 - 53.550 DETERMINE THE NATURE OF THE
02:09 - 54.440 EARNINGS AND MAKE A
02:09 - 55.740 DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR
02:09 - 56.750 NOT WE'RE TAXABLE
02:09 - 59.920 IT WAS YOUR MISSION AS
02:09 - 01.080 CAMBER 7.
02:10 - 02.900 >>WELL THE DAY YOU MADE THAT
02:10 - 03.790 DETERMINATION.
02:10 - 06.030 >>IT'S THE ONLY DAY THAT THAT
02:10 - 07.380 IT COULD BE YOUR OWN OR BECAUSE
02:10 - 11.500 WE WANT TO OF THE APPEAL IS THE
02:10 - 13.980 >>NUMBER 28. I
02:10 - 17.310 WE'RE WITH I BELIEVE IT OR NOT
02:10 - 18.460 YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME ON
02:10 - 18.650 YOUR
02:10 - 22.230 >>I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS
02:10 - 23.830 AND WHY THIS IS HAPPENING
02:10 - 25.680 STATION FOR SERVICES RENDERED.
02:10 - 27.000 >>THANK YOU YOUR HONOR THE
02:10 - 27.580 TRIAL COURT
02:10 - 31.060 FOUND THAT THE THAT
02:10 - 32.520 THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND THE
02:10 - 34.430 GOVERNMENT WERE IN A PRINCIPAL
02:10 - 36.180 AGENCY RELATIONSHIP AND THE
02:10 - 37.490 DEFINITION OF COMPENSATION
02:10 - 39.150 REQUIRES THERE TO BE THIS
02:10 - 41.100 RELATIONSHIP TEXAS AND IT
02:10 - 42.550 PROVIDES A SPECTRUM OF
02:10 - 43.530 RELATIONSHIPS HERE.
02:10 - 45.970 >>CLASSIC RELATIONSHIP IS THE
02:10 - 47.530 EMPLOYER EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP.
02:10 - 49.560 WHERE YOU YOU KNOW A
02:10 - 52.700 9 TO 5 JOB. THIS IN AGENCY
02:10 - 53.920 PRINCIPAL RELATIONSHIP AND THEY
02:10 - 55.350 HAVE PROVIDED CASUAL EMPLOYER
02:10 - 57.060 COUNCIL EVEN RELATIONSHIP
02:10 - 59.930 I THINK THE FORMAL CLEAR AND
02:10 - 01.060 CHILLY RELATIONSHIP AND THE
02:11 - 03.380 CASUAL EMPLOYEE HAVE ONE PLAYER
02:11 - 05.040 RELATIONSHIP CREATE A NICE
02:11 - 06.370 BOOKEND TO THE SPECTRUM BECAUSE
02:11 - 06.630 IF YOU
02:11 - 08.330 LOOK AT PENNSYLVANIA, THE
02:11 - 09.290 CONDITION OR THAT THE
02:11 - 10.990 DEFINITION OF CAREFUL EMPLOYER.
02:11 - 13.350 WORMSLEY HE AND THE PA CODE,
02:11 - 15.240 IT'S VERY VERY BROAD.
02:11 - 17.740 ESSENTIALLY
02:11 - 20.520 IS INDIVIDUAL
02:11 - 23.360 WHO PERFORMS. MIKE FREEMAN
02:11 - 25.080 REFRAINS FROM PERFORMING ANY
02:11 - 27.360 SERVICE OF WHAT EVER NATURE.
02:11 - 29.450 IT IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE. IT'S
02:11 - 33.360 INCREDIBLY BROAD CLASS OF OF
02:11 - 37.480 RELATIONSHIPS, THERE AND THIS
02:11 - 38.310 WAS MORE THAN THAT
02:11 - 39.660 THIS WAS A MAJOR ASIAN
02:11 - 42.150 PRINCIPAL WHEN YOU EXAMINE.
02:11 - 44.080 A PENNSYLVANIA CASE LAW.
02:11 - 46.400 AND AS WE IDENTIFY HER
02:11 - 49.030 THERE ARE THESE 3 PRINCIPLES
02:11 - 51.130 THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR HER
02:11 - 53.780 THREE-PART TEST. THAT REQUIRE
02:11 - 55.750 TO SATISFY NEEDS TO PRINCIPAL
02:11 - 57.590 RELATIONSHIP AND A TRUCKER FROM
02:11 - 58.540 ONE EXISTS HERE.
02:12 - 05.080 EUROPE DO I HAVE A WE TALK
02:12 - 05.550 ABOUT ANY
02:12 - 06.990 EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP.
02:12 - 09.270 >>THE IN IT COMES DOWN TO THE
02:12 - 11.040 ULTIMATELY THE EMPLOYER HAVING
02:12 - 12.100 THE RIGHT TO CONTROL.
02:12 - 15.160 HOW DO YOU MIND THAT UP WITH
02:12 - 17.800 THE FACTS HERE WHERE YOU KNOW
02:12 - 19.060 ULTIMATELY THE GOVERNMENT
02:12 - 20.410 DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO
02:12 - 21.850 CONTROL AS OPPOSING COUNSEL
02:12 - 23.910 POINTED OUT THAT IF MR.
02:12 - 25.390 MCDONNELL WAS DOING SOMETHING
02:12 - 26.860 THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
02:12 - 29.330 DIDN'T LIKE GORE THAT THEY WANT
02:12 - 31.340 TO DO DIFFERENT THEN THEY HAVE
02:12 - 32.960 TO GO TO THE JUDGE AND SAY HEY
02:12 - 33.690 YOU KNOW WE WANT
02:12 - 35.850 YOU KNOW MISTER DOBBS COUNCIL
02:12 - 37.040 NOT TO HANDLE THE MATTER IN
02:12 - 37.570 THIS CASE.
02:12 - 38.600 >>SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE
02:12 - 40.440 OVERARCHING SCHEME OF THE FALSE
02:12 - 41.220 CLAIMS ACT.
02:12 - 43.710 >>IT ACTUALLY CREATES
02:12 - 46.070 A FRAMEWORK OR THIS AGENCY
02:12 - 47.690 PRINCIPAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CIS
02:12 - 50.060 BECAUSE THEY WERE IT. THE
02:12 - 50.970 ACT ITSELF
02:12 - 54.160 IS IT WAS FORMS TO TO FERRET
02:12 - 57.030 OUT FRAUD. WHICH IS CENTRALLY
02:12 - 58.170 THE GOVERNMENT SAYING WE NEED
02:12 - 00.600 HELP. WE NEED YOUR HELP
02:13 - 01.680 WHISTLEBLOWERS IN COMING
02:13 - 02.610 FORWARD AND
02:13 - 03.250 AIDING US.
02:13 - 06.650 >>YOU SAYING THIS IS AN AGENCY
02:13 - 08.100 PRINCIPAL OR AN EMPLOYEE
02:13 - 10.580 CASUAL EMPLOYEES PLAY SO WE I
02:13 - 11.390 DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE
02:13 - 13.370 GOING IS TO THE TRIAL COURT
02:13 - 14.980 FOUND IT IS AN AGENCY PRINCIPAL
02:13 - 16.670 RELATIONSHIP IN AND WE AGREE
02:13 - 18.700 WITH THAT, BUT I THINK IF YOU
02:13 - 20.300 LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIPS TO
02:13 - 21.190 FIND HIM.
02:13 - 23.360 >>THE COMPENSATION DEFINITION.
02:13 - 25.030 IT PROVIDES A SPECTRUM
02:13 - 26.630 AND LIKE I SAID AT ONE END YOU
02:13 - 27.490 HAVE YOUR
02:13 - 29.850 CLASSIC UNCLEAR EMPLOYEES AND I
02:13 - 31.230 THINK AT THE OTHER END YOU HAD
02:13 - 32.770 YOUR COUNCIL EMPLOYEE WHICH IS
02:13 - 34.290 THIS BROAD BROAD TOPIC
02:13 - 35.750 SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE'S
02:13 - 37.300 THE AGENCY PRINCIPAL RELATION
02:13 - 38.580 CAN YOU CAN EASILY GET BACK TO
02:13 - 39.990 MY QUESTION WHICH IS.
02:13 - 41.350 >>IN ANY EMPLOYMENT
02:13 - 43.850 RELATIONSHIP. THE EMPLOYER HAS
02:13 - 46.210 THE RIGHT TO CONTROL. SO IN
02:13 - 47.730 YOUR MY QUESTION IS
02:13 - 49.470 HOW DID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
02:13 - 51.030 HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL
02:13 - 52.030 MR. O'DONNELL.
02:13 - 53.550 >>AND THE GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE
02:13 - 55.670 THE RIGHT TO CONTROL OF THE
02:13 - 56.680 ACTION ITSELF.
02:13 - 58.160 >>THE ACTION
02:13 - 59.060 THE EMPLOYEE.
02:13 - 01.400 >>WELL THEY THEY GET TESTIMONY
02:14 - 03.380 FROM HIM AND HE IS A WITNESS TO
02:14 - 05.880 THE HE'S A PARTY TO
02:14 - 06.510 THE CASE.
02:14 - 08.700 >>WELL, HE IS A PARTY TO THE
02:14 - 10.460 CASE BUT HE'S ALSO ACTING ON
02:14 - 11.760 BEHALF OF THE GOVERNOR WHEN HE
02:14 - 12.860 FILED THE COMPLAINT
02:14 - 15.370 IT IS AS A PLAINTIFF AND ON
02:14 - 16.410 BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT.
02:14 - 18.000 YOU KNOW YOUR OWN MIND IS A
02:14 - 19.990 COKE PLAINTIVE AND AS A PARTY.
02:14 - 21.740 >>HE HAS CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS
02:14 - 22.850 AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE FEDERAL
02:14 - 25.160 GOVERNMENT AND SAY WELL YOU
02:14 - 26.430 DON'T HAVE TO TESTIFY, HE'S A
02:14 - 26.920 PARTY.
02:14 - 28.310 >>WELL UNDER THE ACT IS
02:14 - 30.380 ACTUALLY REQUIRED REQUIRED BY
02:14 - 31.590 THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE THEM
02:14 - 32.540 WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS
02:14 - 33.920 NECESSARY TO LAST.
02:14 - 36.260 >>HE'S BUT ONE OF THE HIGHS OF
02:14 - 36.840 PARTY.
02:14 - 38.760 >>HE DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY
02:14 - 40.020 TO SETTLE THE CASE OF SELF
02:14 - 41.470 WHICH IS A IT'S A GOOD
02:14 - 43.220 INDICATOR OF THE COAKLEY IF YOU
02:14 - 44.880 THINK OF A CLASSIC LOCATE.
02:14 - 47.700 PLAINTIFFS IN A CAR ACCIDENT
02:14 - 50.370 CASE. WHERE THE WHOLE PLATE OF
02:14 - 51.900 IS A PASSENGER IN THE CAR
02:14 - 53.490 THAT'S THEIR OWN CLAIM. THEY
02:14 - 55.300 CAN SELL THAT ABSENT THE OTHER
02:14 - 57.080 KOCH LIGHT IN THIS IN A
02:14 - 58.750 WHISTLEBLOWER CASE. THE
02:14 - 00.020 WHISTLEBLOWER THE RELATOR
02:15 - 00.780 DOESN'T HAVE
02:15 - 01.410 THAT ABILITY.
02:15 - 04.420 >>THESE THE ONLY COMPONENT THEN
02:15 - 05.560 OF THAT RELATIONSHIP.
02:15 - 06.560 >>THAT.
02:15 - 08.240 >>MISTER DONALD COULDN'T
02:15 - 09.240 CONTROL WHICH WAS THE
02:15 - 10.310 SETTLEMENT ASPECT.
02:15 - 13.150 >>NO HE COULDN'T CONTROL THE
02:15 - 14.680 THE DISMISSAL OR HE WAS AS I
02:15 - 15.660 SAID WE'RE WIRED
02:15 - 17.100 I THE ACT TO PROVIDE
02:15 - 19.000 DOCUMENTATION AND EVIDENCE AND
02:15 - 20.960 TESTIMONY. IT
02:15 - 22.310 THE GOVERNMENT.
02:15 - 25.620 >>THERE IS THAT THE PARTIES WAY
02:15 - 26.980 TO SEPARATE OUT THAT.
02:15 - 29.690 >>YOU ADMIT THAT HE'S A
02:15 - 31.840 THE WHOLE POINT SO AS A PARTY
02:15 - 33.870 TO THE ACTION. UNDER THAT.
02:15 - 35.800 >>WHO RULES. HE HAS CERTAIN
02:15 - 36.120 ALI.
02:15 - 42.500 ITUNES CHART FULLY INDEPENDENT
02:15 - 44.350 AND SEPARATE FROM. WHAT YOU
02:15 - 45.650 MAINTAIN TO BE AN EMPLOYMENT
02:15 - 47.090 RELATIONSHIP. SO THAT'S WHAT
02:15 - 48.290 I'M TRYING TO PARCEL OUT.
02:15 - 50.880 >>WELL IF HE DOESN'T HAVE.
02:15 - 53.540 UNDER THE FALSE CLAIMS ACT.
02:15 - 55.600 IT'S NOT AS THOUGH HE'S WORKING
02:15 - 58.620 FOR HIMSELF TO ACHIEVE A
02:15 - 00.190 POSITIVE SETTLEMENT OR
02:16 - 01.880 SOUTHEAST DOING IT TO ACHIEVE
02:16 - 03.890 THIS. THIS POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR
02:16 - 05.660 THE GOVERNMENT IN HOPES THAT
02:16 - 07.040 WILL BE REWARDED AT THE END OF
02:16 - 09.730 THE DAY. IN AND WHEN YOU LOOK
02:16 - 10.310 AT THAT
02:16 - 11.870 YOU LOOK AT HOW FEDERAL
02:16 - 13.000 GOVERNMENT OR FEDERAL CASES
02:16 - 15.150 THAT LOOKED AT THIS CAME INTO
02:16 - 16.320 THIS COMPENSATION.
02:16 - 19.450 >>IT'S CLEAR THAT HE'S WORKING
02:16 - 21.500 FOR THIS ROLE. HE WANTS TO
02:16 - 22.270 GET PAID.
02:16 - 26.810 >>FOR HIMSELF I HAVE REALLY I
02:16 - 28.570 MEAN FUN.
02:16 - 30.570 >>COULD HE HAVE CONTINUED THAT
02:16 - 31.940 FACTION IF THE FEDERAL
02:16 - 33.680 GOVERNMENT NEVER INVESTIGATED
02:16 - 35.310 AND DECIDED TO TAKE OVER.
02:16 - 38.360 >>YES, HE COULD HAVE. BUT AT
02:16 - 40.560 THE END OF THE DAY USED HIS
02:16 - 41.790 TAKINGS WOULD BE
02:16 - 43.590 REDUCED REGARDLESS THE
02:16 - 44.680 GOVERNMENT WOULD TAKE THE
02:16 - 45.330 MATTER WHILE.
02:16 - 49.430 AND SO ONE OF THE COURTS.
02:16 - 50.710 THE FEDERAL COURTS ADOPTED THIS
02:16 - 51.200 ASSIGNMENT
02:16 - 53.940 EXPLAINS THEORY. IN AN ATTEMPT
02:16 - 56.580 TO OVERCOME A ARTICLE
02:16 - 58.860 3 STICK. AND IF YOU ASK WELL
02:16 - 01.170 WHY WAS HE ASSIGNED THIS CLAIM.
02:17 - 02.970 IT'S BECAUSE YOU PROVIDE A
02:17 - 04.350 SERVICE. HE'S HE'S GATHERING
02:17 - 04.490 THESE
02:17 - 06.830 DOCUMENTS SEIZED. HE'S HELPING
02:17 - 08.750 THE GOVERNMENT FERRET OUT A
02:17 - 10.860 FRAUD. HE'S WRITING TESTIMONY.
02:17 - 13.070 HE'S DOING ALL THIS WORK.
02:17 - 15.350 ON BEHALF OF THE FEDERAL
02:17 - 16.550 GOVERNMENT SO THE FEDERAL
02:17 - 17.390 GOVERNMENT TO ACHIEVE THIS
02:17 - 17.830 GOAL.
02:17 - 21.550 SO THE TRIAL COURT HE
02:17 - 22.680 DEFINE THAT.
02:17 - 30.580 >>BUT SOON MR. O'DONNELL
02:17 - 33.100 INSTEAD THERE. IT KEEPS HER
02:17 - 35.630 ACTION WAS WALKING THROUGH ON.
02:17 - 41.250 SAW NEAR DO WELL CHECK THE
02:17 - 42.320 BREAD WINNER.
02:17 - 45.330 AND A WEEK LATER HE SAW A
02:17 - 45.870 NOTICE
02:17 - 47.830 THEM ALL IF ANYONE HAS
02:17 - 50.260 INFORMATION WITH US TO BE THE
02:17 - 52.090 END OF IT YOU KNOW.
02:17 - 54.580 >>WHO WERE YOU WITH 1000 WELL.
02:17 - 55.990 HE COMES
02:17 - 56.710 WORD SAYS.
02:17 - 59.890 >>I SAW GOT IT WRONG. FOR THAT.
02:18 - 04.690 IS THAT COMPENSATION.
02:18 - 07.300 >>YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT
02:18 - 08.060 IT IS FOR.
02:18 - 10.480 IF YOU LOOK AT THE CASUAL WEEK
02:18 - 12.010 HERALD PLOY RELATIONSHIP AS I
02:18 - 13.200 SAID IT'S INCREDIBLY BOUGHT
02:18 - 14.530 BROUGHT INTO INDIVIDUAL WHO
02:18 - 15.180 PERFORMS
02:18 - 17.990 ANY SERVICE OF WHATEVER NATURE
02:18 - 20.450 IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE. SO THAT
02:18 - 21.930 SPECIFICALLY YOU KNOW YOU'RE
02:18 - 23.770 YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY FREE AND
02:18 - 25.240 OPEN COUNTRY GOOD TIP.
02:18 - 28.330 >>MISTER ALL RIGHT NOW EITHER.
02:18 - 31.750 >>YES YOU ARE I WOULD ARGUE
02:18 - 32.380 THAT IT CAN BE.
02:18 - 35.430 >>WHY SOME WANT A PARDON.
02:18 - 37.940 THERE AND THE FACT ITS REWARD
02:18 - 39.120 WE'RE GOING TO COME AFTER HIM.
02:18 - 44.310 >>WELL YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT
02:18 - 45.910 IF THEY CA.
02:18 - 48.520 >>OUR JOHN RESTAURANT, THERE
02:18 - 50.090 ARE 2 OTHER JUDGES TO HAVE A
02:18 - 52.330 QUESTION SO I'M GOING TO GET
02:18 - 54.460 A JUDGE FROM TENNESSEE.
02:18 - 57.340 >>OPEN MIKE TO SERVE IN TUNE IN
02:18 - 58.570 WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO
02:18 - 00.690 ADDRESS IT B YOU FROM MY
02:19 - 03.250 READING EARNED INCOME IS NOT AN
02:19 - 05.450 HOUR WHICH TYPE OF INCOME WE
02:19 - 06.650 HAVE PERSONAL INCOME WE GET
02:19 - 07.440 CLOSE TO
02:19 - 11.060 INCOME AND ACCORDING TO LOCAL
02:19 - 13.330 TAX ENABLING ACT. IT WAS PER
02:19 - 14.810 PERSON. IT
02:19 - 18.070 EARNED INCOME AND I'M SEEN YOU
02:19 - 19.180 TRYING TO GET
02:19 - 21.660 THIS UNDER DO THE MISSION
02:19 - 24.700 OF COMPENSATION. BUT IN THE
02:19 - 26.680 OVEN OR THE TERM AND THAT THERE
02:19 - 27.430 WAS NO
02:19 - 30.010 TAX LIABILITY UNDER PERSONAL
02:19 - 31.880 INCOME. 4
02:19 - 34.690 THIS GENTLEMAN AND THAT'S WHERE
02:19 - 38.350 I STORE GETTING IS QUESTIONABLE
02:19 - 40.920 ON HOW CAN WE GET IT AND ARE
02:19 - 43.180 EARNED INCOME. IT DOESN'T FIT
02:19 - 44.390 UNDER PERSONAL INCOME.
02:19 - 46.440 >>YES, YOUR
02:19 - 49.190 FIRST KNOW OF ALL THE BE A FUN
02:19 - 50.410 OUR DECISION IS ACTUALLY ON
02:19 - 52.950 APPEAL TO YOUR COURT. CURRENT
02:19 - 54.420 I'M THERE.
02:19 - 57.400 THE STANDARD OF YOUR HONORS
02:19 - 59.350 WITH THE BFR A DECISION IS
02:19 - 59.830 ESSENTIALLY
02:20 - 03.160 AND TO BE A FUN OUR DECISION.
02:20 - 04.070 I
02:20 - 06.560 DIDN'T YOU LOOK TO WHETHER OR
02:20 - 07.970 NOT SERVICES WERE RENDERED IN
02:20 - 09.200 THE SITUATION THEY SIMPLY
02:20 - 10.400 LOOKED AT THE RELATIONSHIP.
02:20 - 12.950 BETWEEN THE WHISTLEBLOWER IN
02:20 - 13.490 THE GOVERNMENT.
02:20 - 16.980 >>'02 IS TO DETERMINE PERSONAL
02:20 - 17.830 INCOME TAX.
02:20 - 22.220 YOU'RE UNDER A CATEGORY THAT'S
02:20 - 23.380 DIFFERENT THAN THE EARNED
02:20 - 26.570 INCOME TAX. THAT'S CORRECT
02:20 - 27.040 YOUR HONOR.
02:20 - 29.480 >>UNDER THE LOCAL TAX ENABLING
02:20 - 32.120 ACT EARNED INCOME IS
02:20 - 34.150 COMPENSATION AND I I UNDERSTAND
02:20 - 35.700 IT THE EARNED INCOME TAX AT THE
02:20 - 36.570 STATE LEVEL.
02:20 - 39.050 HAS THESE IN CLASSES AND ONE OF
02:20 - 40.850 THOSE CLASSES IS COMPENSATION.
02:20 - 44.960 IN THE THE DEFINITION AS AS
02:20 - 46.890 I'VE ARGUED HERE IS AND AS WE
02:20 - 47.310 ARE GETTING HER
02:20 - 51.730 IS DETERMINE ITS COMPENSATION
02:20 - 52.310 IS TO LOOK FOR
02:20 - 54.290 THIS RELATIONSHIP. BETWEEN THE
02:20 - 55.650 PARTIES AND THEN WHETHER AND
02:20 - 57.370 ASKED WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS
02:20 - 58.720 RECEIVED FOR SERVICES RENDERED.
02:21 - 02.910 EVEN THOUGH THE BE A FUN OUR
02:21 - 04.600 DECISION FOUND THAT IT WASN'T
02:21 - 07.100 INCOME FOR THE STATE LEVEL.
02:21 - 09.080 WHAT I WOULD DO CHALLENGE
02:21 - 11.460 THERE ARE SOME DECISION
02:21 - 13.770 OBVIOUSLY I WOULD SAY THE THING
02:21 - 16.240 THEY GOT IT WRONG FOR THE
02:21 - 17.260 REASONS THAT WE OUTLINED IN
02:21 - 17.760 OUR.
02:21 - 20.820 >>OK THANK A JUDGE FROM THEM
02:21 - 21.330 AND
02:21 - 23.980 A QUESTION WHY WOULD I WANT TO
02:21 - 24.950 FOCUS ON THE STAND AND THE
02:21 - 26.060 REGULATORY DEFINITION OF
02:21 - 27.510 COMPENSATION IS SET FORTH IN
02:21 - 28.630 THE REGULATIONS WHICH YOU SEEM
02:21 - 30.660 TO BE RELYING ON YOU TALK A LOT
02:21 - 31.290 ABOUT
02:21 - 35.260 THE RELATIONSHIP. I GUESS MY
02:21 - 36.840 QUESTION IS THE RELATIONSHIP
02:21 - 38.410 HERE THAT THE TRIAL COURT FOUND
02:21 - 39.130 WAS THAT OF
02:21 - 41.160 AN AGENT. THE GOVERNMENT
02:21 - 42.910 AGENCY, YOUR VIEW AGREE WITH
02:21 - 43.270 THAT.
02:21 - 44.950 >>I YES.
02:21 - 46.710 >>CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT
02:21 - 49.740 GOVERNMENT AGENCY. THE TAXPAYER
02:21 - 50.820 HERE WAS WORKING FOR.
02:21 - 54.360 >>YOU YOU ARE I BELIEVE IT
02:22 - 01.260 I'M SORRY CAN YOU.
02:22 - 03.720 IT WAS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY
02:22 - 06.630 COURTNEY I I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR
02:22 - 08.430 QUESTION OR LET ME RESTATE THE
02:22 - 09.310 QUITE LET ME RESTATE THE
02:22 - 10.140 QUESTION FOR YOU THE
02:22 - 11.880 DEFINITION, YOU'RE RELYING ON A
02:22 - 13.890 COMPENSATION REQUIRES AN AGENT
02:22 - 15.060 EMPLOYEE.
02:22 - 17.090 >>SOMETHING RELATIONSHIP WITH A
02:22 - 19.210 GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT'S WHAT
02:22 - 20.350 THE DEFINITIONS SAID.
02:22 - 22.460 >>MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT
02:22 - 22.550 THE
02:22 - 25.430 GOVERNMENT AGENCY. THE ATTACK
02:22 - 26.840 HERE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH.
02:22 - 31.180 >>YOU'RE ON A NEW ON HIM.
02:22 - 36.170 YOU REFERRED TO THE PA CODE
02:22 - 36.910 CORRECT YOUR HONOR.
02:22 - 44.260 BUT HE ADDED TO THE
02:22 - 45.810 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN.
02:22 - 49.580 >>WHAT ONE AGENCY. WHAT
02:22 - 52.740 IN FORCES THAT FRAUD ACT IS
02:22 - 52.980 THAT WHAT
02:22 - 53.890 YOU DO.
02:22 - 56.840 >>IT'S MY QUESTION I'M ASKING
02:22 - 58.000 THAT THE DEFINITION OF
02:22 - 59.470 COMPENSATION WHICH I THINK
02:22 - 00.570 YOU'RE PULLING UP IN FRONT OF
02:23 - 00.850 YOU.
02:23 - 01.640 YES.
02:23 - 04.190 >>REFERENCES TO THE ONLY THE
02:23 - 05.180 ONLY CATEGORY
02:23 - 07.460 OF POTENTIAL PRINCIPAL OR
02:23 - 09.310 EMPLOYER THAT COULD APPLY HERE
02:23 - 10.610 IN THE LAST YEAR THE GOVERNMENT
02:23 - 11.960 AGENCY TO SEE THAT.
02:23 - 12.950 >>YES.
02:23 - 14.820 >>MY QUESTION IS A VERY
02:23 - 15.990 STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION.
02:23 - 19.780 WHAT GOVERNMENT AGENCY. IT ACTS
02:23 - 21.950 HERE WORK FOR AN AGENT.
02:23 - 22.470 >>I'VE
02:23 - 25.080 WE ARE I DON'T BELIEVE UNDER
02:23 - 27.030 THE FALSE CLAIMS ACT THAT BE
02:23 - 28.960 THE WHISTLEBLOWER HAS
02:23 - 32.340 TO ACTUALLY BE A PART OF A
02:23 - 32.860 PARTICULAR
02:23 - 35.600 >>I'M NOT ASKING I'M NOT
02:23 - 36.800 TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE CLAIMS
02:23 - 37.870 ACT TIME AFTERWARD WE'RE
02:23 - 39.080 TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THIS
02:23 - 40.330 FALLS INTO THE DEFINITION OF
02:23 - 41.910 COMPENSATION UNDER PENNSYLVANIA
02:23 - 43.920 LAW. SO IN ORDER TO BE THE
02:23 - 45.760 COMPENSATION HE HAVE TO HAVE
02:23 - 47.750 BEEN THE EMPLOYEES OR THE AGENT
02:23 - 49.470 OF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT'S
02:23 - 49.680 WHAT THE
02:23 - 51.430 DEFINITIONS THAT WHAT
02:23 - 52.850 GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT HE
02:23 - 54.830 WORKED FOR WHAT THE AGENT OUT.
02:23 - 57.730 >>YOUR HONOR I'M I'M NOT
02:24 - 02.120 >>THE I'M NOT SURE IF HE
02:24 - 03.430 WAS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
02:24 - 04.860 WHO BROUGHT THE CASE
02:24 - 07.120 I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S WHO
02:24 - 08.150 WAS REPRESENTING.
02:24 - 09.800 THE GOVERNMENT AND I WOULD
02:24 - 11.170 ASSUME OR THE COURSE OF THE
02:24 - 12.740 TRIAL COURT SAID HE WAS AN
02:24 - 13.400 AGENT OF THE
02:24 - 14.600 UNITED STATES.
02:24 - 15.900 >>NOW YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME
02:24 - 17.000 WOULDN'T YOU THAT THE UNITED
02:24 - 18.750 STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT A
02:24 - 19.790 GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY.
02:24 - 21.870 >>I WOULD I WOULD AGREE WITH
02:24 - 22.520 THAT YOUR HONOR.
02:24 - 25.130 I BELIEVE IF HE WOULD AGREE
02:24 - 26.270 WITH ME THAT THE QUEEN CAMP
02:24 - 28.710 THAT REQUIRES THE THAT TAXPAYER
02:24 - 29.890 TO HER THAT THE PLANE COULD
02:24 - 31.560 BRING THE ACTION IN THE NAME OF
02:24 - 33.000 THE UNITED STATES AND NOT IN
02:24 - 33.930 THE NAME OF A PARTICULAR
02:24 - 35.000 GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY.
02:24 - 36.640 >>I WOULD AGREE WITH A AS WELL
02:24 - 38.440 YOUR BUT I BELIEVE THAT IN
02:24 - 39.580 THOSE ACTIONS. THE DEPARTMENT
02:24 - 41.330 OF JUSTICE WOULD BE THE AGENCY
02:24 - 42.050 THAT REPRESENTS
02:24 - 44.990 THE GOVERNMENT I'M CASES MAYBE
02:24 - 46.400 THE ATTORNEYS, NO DOUBT THAT'S
02:24 - 47.370 NOT A QUESTION. THE ATTORNEY
02:24 - 49.050 GENERAL IS THE AGENT THAT
02:24 - 50.270 REPRESENT THE COMMONWEALTH OF
02:24 - 51.080 PENNSYLVANIA.
02:24 - 52.290 >>BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
02:24 - 54.810 THE PARTY. IF THE ATTORNEY
02:24 - 56.820 GENERAL. I JUST I WANT TO GET
02:24 - 57.920 THAT NOBODY THING TO LOOK AT
02:24 - 59.030 THAT AND MAYBE IT'S NOT AN
02:24 - 01.500 ISSUE IN FRONT OF US BUT I WAS
02:25 - 02.480 STRUCK BY.
02:25 - 04.520 >>BUT THE LACK OF
02:25 - 07.260 ANY A REAL IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF
02:25 - 08.730 THAT DEFINITION I WANTED TO
02:25 - 10.480 GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO
02:25 - 11.400 TO TELL ME THERE IS A
02:25 - 12.850 GOVERNMENT AGENCY INVOLVED HERE
02:25 - 13.260 THANK YOU.
02:25 - 17.760 ALL RIGHT MISTER IF YOU HAVE
02:25 - 18.710 ALL RIGHT THAT'S IT.
02:25 - 19.650 >>KOBE.
02:25 - 21.140 HAS
02:25 - 22.990 EVOLVED TO THAT I KNOW IS SUING
02:25 - 24.410 YOU YOU'RE SAYING HE WAS AN
02:25 - 26.010 AGENT OF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
02:25 - 27.790 >>NORMALLY AN AGENT HAS
02:25 - 29.690 AUTHORITY DOESN'T SEEM LIKE
02:25 - 30.670 THIS INDIVIDUAL HAD MUCH
02:25 - 32.710 AUTHORITY DO ANYTHING ON BEHALF
02:25 - 33.730 OF THE GOVERNMENT ONLY
02:25 - 36.640 SAY ALONG WITH WHATEVER.
02:25 - 38.090 HE WAS TALL.
02:25 - 39.620 >>WHERE DO YOU
02:25 - 42.500 THE BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE
02:25 - 45.070 ABILITY TO REPRESENT THERE'S NO
02:25 - 45.390 DOUBT.
02:25 - 47.220 SHE DOES
02:25 - 49.080 ACTUALLY AT THE TIME THE
02:25 - 50.600 LAWSUIT IS FILED HE'S FINALLY
02:25 - 51.390 ON BEHALF OF THE
02:25 - 54.400 I'M NOT A LOT OF FILE A LAWSUIT
02:25 - 56.260 ON BEHALF OF THE YEAR HONORS
02:25 - 58.790 WITHOUT EXPLICITLY TOLD THAT I
02:25 - 59.300 CAN.
02:26 - 02.670 >>TO ME THAT IS PHASE AUTHORITY
02:26 - 04.330 IN AND OF ITSELF TO BE ABLE TO
02:26 - 06.110 FILE A LAWSUIT FOR SOMEBODY.
02:26 - 08.610 I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S THE
02:26 - 10.100 COMMENCEMENT OF THIS AGENCY
02:26 - 10.520 PRINCIPAL
02:26 - 12.460 ACTION IS AN OPEN CALL FOR
02:26 - 13.610 SOMEBODY TO COME FORWARD TO
02:26 - 14.940 FILE A LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF THE
02:26 - 17.490 GOVERNMENT IT'S
02:26 - 19.250 A WHISTLEBLOWER COMING FORWARD
02:26 - 20.860 AND DOING THAT STEP ALONE.
02:26 - 22.950 >>IS IS.
02:26 - 24.690 >>A GREEN TO ENTER INTO THAT
02:26 - 25.670 ENDEAVOR TOGETHER WITH THE
02:26 - 27.750 GOVERNMENT. SO I DO BELIEVE HE
02:26 - 29.960 DOES HAVE POWER THAT HAS BEEN
02:26 - 31.230 GIVEN TO HIM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
02:26 - 33.840 JUST BY SIMPLY FILING THE
02:26 - 34.420 LAWSUITS.
02:26 - 36.610 >>ALL RIGHT MISTER VINCENT
02:26 - 38.680 YOUR ARM WHEN PARKING FOR YOUR
02:26 - 40.990 TIME I KNEW YOU WOULD LIKE THE
02:26 - 42.980 COURT TO AFFIRM THE TRIAL
02:26 - 43.310 COURT.
02:26 - 44.850 >>YES THAT IS CORRECT YOUR
02:26 - 45.060 HONOR.
02:26 - 49.060 MAKE UP THEM.
02:26 - 50.610 >>YOU HAVE A 4 MINUTE.
02:26 - 54.260 >>THANK YOU
02:26 - 56.360 YOUR HONOR. I WAS JUST TOO GOOD
02:26 - 58.820 TO GO RIGHT TO WHAT WAS JUST
02:26 - 59.520 BEING SPOKEN
02:27 - 02.460 MISTER DOLE WAS NOT AN AGENT OF
02:27 - 04.330 THE GOVERNMENT OR OF ANY AGENCY
02:27 - 06.440 OF THE GOVERNMENT. I
02:27 - 08.610 INDICATED PREVIOUSLY UNDER THE
02:27 - 10.660 FALSE CLAIMS ACT HE FILED THE
02:27 - 12.020 ACTION FOR HIMSELF
02:27 - 14.060 IS REQUIRED TO ALSO INCLUDE THE
02:27 - 15.500 GOVERNMENT'S NAME AS
02:27 - 17.580 A PLAINTIFF. THE GOVERNMENT IS
02:27 - 19.020 NOT A PARTY UNTIL THEY
02:27 - 19.910 INVESTIGATE AND
02:27 - 22.010 THE ENERGY. HE HAD NO CONTROL
02:27 - 24.160 OVER THAT HE HAD NO ABILITY TO
02:27 - 24.810 BUY A HOME.
02:27 - 26.670 YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE
02:27 - 29.020 DECISIONS AND THE ONLY PERSON
02:27 - 30.060 THAT COULD MAKE THE DECISION
02:27 - 31.390 FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WAS
02:27 - 32.890 THERE. ATTORNEYS
02:27 - 34.960 THEIR ATTORNEY GENERAL MISTER
02:27 - 36.720 AND I HOPE WAS A COMPLAINT OF
02:27 - 38.410 AND NOTHING MORE.
02:27 - 40.590 MISTER VINCENT AND INDICATED
02:27 - 42.090 THAT THE UN OR AN ISSUE
02:27 - 43.460 DECISIONS HAVE NOT REACHED THE
02:27 - 44.570 QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT HE
02:27 - 45.940 PROVIDED SERVICES, THAT'S
02:27 - 47.900 INCORRECT IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME
02:27 - 49.730 THE DECISION FROM THE NRA
02:27 - 52.160 CLEARLY THINGS I KNOW TIME
02:27 - 53.180 AFTER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
02:27 - 54.670 INTERVENED TO MISTER O'DONNELL
02:27 - 56.150 HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
02:27 - 57.880 GOVERNMENT RELATED IN OTHER
02:27 - 58.560 THAN COMPLAIN
02:27 - 00.180 TO US. MR. DODD WAS NOT AN
02:28 - 01.070 AGENT FOR THE FEDERAL
02:28 - 02.520 GOVERNMENT NOR DID MISTER
02:28 - 03.580 O'DONNELL PROVIDE
02:28 - 06.060 ANY SERVICES WATERMAN AND
02:28 - 06.810 EXCHANGE FOR THE
02:28 - 08.510 WHISTLEBLOWER PAYMENT. MISTER
02:28 - 09.810 O'DONNELL WAS THE COMPLAINANT
02:28 - 11.550 TO RECEIVE A SHARE OF THE
02:28 - 12.470 PROCEEDS FROM
02:28 - 14.370 THIS TOO. THESE PROCEEDS ARE
02:28 - 16.080 NOT REMUNERATION FOR SERVICES
02:28 - 16.740 AND THEREFORE ARE
02:28 - 18.510 NOT COMPENSATION. WE'RE IN
02:28 - 20.300 COMMON DRUG ANY OF THE A NEW
02:28 - 21.770 RATING CLASSES OF INCOME TAX TO
02:28 - 23.340 BE A TAXABLE INCOMES AND.
02:28 - 25.410 THE OTHER
02:28 - 27.770 QUESTION IS TAXABLE INCOME
02:28 - 29.180 THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF
02:28 - 30.770 PARENTING COM IS VERY CLEAR
02:28 - 32.200 THAT IT IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE
02:28 - 33.940 DEFINITION OF COMPENSATION FOR
02:28 - 35.530 PERSONAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES,
02:28 - 37.600 AND THIS IS NOT COMPENSATION.
02:28 - 40.760 EVEN MISTER DONAHOE WHAT MADE
02:28 - 42.480 IT CLEAR ON THAT IT WAS NOT
02:28 - 44.830 AN EMPLOYEE. THERE'S NO CONTROL
02:28 - 46.290 THERE IS NO BEHAVIORAL CONTROL
02:28 - 47.670 THE FIGHT TO MAKE FINANCIAL
02:28 - 49.700 CONTROL. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT
02:28 - 50.870 CONTROL THEM AND
02:28 - 51.580 A HALF.
02:28 - 54.740 >>THE QUESTION HOW IS HIS A
02:28 - 56.130 PORTION OF THE
02:28 - 58.340 SETTLEMENT DETERMINE AND THE
02:28 - 00.490 JOB. THE GOVERNMENT CAN GET
02:29 - 02.800 AWAY WITH IS THAT THE BEAR ANY
02:29 - 04.620 RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT HE DID
02:29 - 07.670 TO INITIATE THE ACTION.
02:29 - 10.040 >>IT IS A BABY.
02:29 - 11.750 >>ALSO CLAIMED THAT PROVIDES
02:29 - 15.880 A RANGE. 15% TO 25% OF
02:29 - 18.770 THE PROCEEDS. AND THE COURTS IN
02:29 - 20.740 LOOKING AT THIS. I DON'T YOU
02:29 - 21.050 KNOW WHAT
02:29 - 23.290 HAD HAPPENED DETERMINED THAT
02:29 - 24.860 THE MORE YOU KNOW WE
02:29 - 26.850 BASICALLY SOMEBODY JUST FILED
02:29 - 28.450 THE LAWSUIT IS GOING TO GET A
02:29 - 30.260 LOW END OF THE RANGE, SOMEBODY
02:29 - 31.690 AND IT COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT
02:29 - 34.110 SOMEBODY COULD PROVIDE A LOT
02:29 - 36.600 INFORMATION.
02:29 - 40.050 IT READING DOCUMENTS READY TO
02:29 - 41.090 REALLY GET INTO THE LITTLE
02:29 - 42.910 SIOUX BRITAIN BRING BAYFIELD
02:29 - 43.900 GOVERNMENT FEELS THAT THEY
02:29 - 45.440 AREN'T ABLE TO CLOSER TO
02:29 - 49.370 25%. SHE GOT
02:29 - 51.730 16%. I WAS SO THEY DID
02:29 - 53.580 IT AGAIN IN IT THERE'S A RANGE
02:29 - 55.620 PROVIDED IN INDIANA FALSE
02:29 - 57.490 CLAIMS ACT OR WHAT PERCENTAGE.
02:29 - 00.400 >>I MEAN IS THERE ANY
02:30 - 01.120 OTHER STATE.
02:30 - 05.250 >>ON THE CALL I'M SETTLEMENT
02:30 - 07.560 THAT TAXPAYERS WERE SEEN AT I
02:30 - 09.430 REALIZE EVERYTHING TAXES.
02:30 - 12.150 INDIVIDUAL INCOME OR NET INCOME
02:30 - 12.890 DIFFERENTLY IS THERE
02:30 - 13.630 ANY PRECEDENT.
02:30 - 17.240 >>THE NATURE OF THE PAYOUT
02:30 - 17.930 YEAH.
02:30 - 22.830 >>NEW STATES THEIR STARTING
02:30 - 24.300 POINT FOR PERSONAL INCOME TAX
02:30 - 25.300 PURPOSES, FEDERAL
02:30 - 28.840 TAXABLE INCOME PURPOSES ON A
02:30 - 32.320 KEY TOWN PAYMENT IS IT'S ALSO
02:30 - 33.730 TO THEIR CATCH ALL
02:30 - 35.970 OTHER INCOME. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY
02:30 - 36.880 THERE'S A DEFINITE THERE'S
02:30 - 39.720 HAD WORRY FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES
02:30 - 41.170 COMPENSATION. IT'S DEFINED
02:30 - 42.980 EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE NATION
02:30 - 44.190 FOR SERVICES PRIDE.
02:30 - 45.110 I DON'T.
02:30 - 47.240 >>DID YOUR CLIENT KAY DID YOUR
02:30 - 48.730 CLIENT PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX
02:30 - 50.410 ON THIS WAS A 34 MILLION.
02:30 - 51.760 YES, AS
02:30 - 53.780 OTHER INCOME. YEAH, IT FELL
02:30 - 55.430 INTO THE CATCHALL CATEGORY OF
02:30 - 56.920 FATHERING PUMP PENNSYLVANIA.
02:30 - 57.720 >>IT'S NOT.
02:31 - 00.640 I MEAN
02:31 - 02.810 PENNSYLVANIA IN 1971 TRIED TO
02:31 - 04.400 FOLLOW THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX
02:31 - 05.920 POOLS AND THAT LASTED FOR 3
02:31 - 07.740 MONTHS. AND IT WAS FOUND TO BE
02:31 - 09.000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THE
02:31 - 10.920 GENERAL ASSEMBLY WENT BACK AND
02:31 - 12.720 CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHAT ATTACK.
02:31 - 15.240 THERE ARE A CLASS OF INCOME,
02:31 - 16.790 IT'S NOT GOING TO CLASS TODAY
02:31 - 18.530 COME IT'S NOT TAXABLE
02:31 - 19.950 YOU CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE IT
02:31 - 21.750 IS TAXABLE FOR FEDERAL AS OTHER
02:31 - 23.310 INCOME IN A GENERAL CATCH ALL
02:31 - 24.420 THAT ITS TAXABLE FOR
02:31 - 26.980 PENNSYLVANIA HAS YESTERDAY INTO
02:31 - 28.260 A CLASSY IN COULD TO BE.
02:31 - 32.130 AND THAT IS THAT
02:31 - 34.540 YOU EVENTUALLY I DIDN'T
02:31 - 37.350 APPEAR SIR. THANK YOU IT HAS
02:31 - 38.660 BEEN FOR PENNSYLVANIA PURPOSES
02:31 - 40.240 IT HAS TO FALL INTO ENEMY CLASS
02:31 - 41.900 AND INCOME ARE LOCAL EARNED
02:31 - 43.690 INCOME TAX PURPOSES IT HAS TO
02:31 - 45.710 BE COMPENSATION EARNED INCOME
02:31 - 48.270 IS DEFINED AS PARTICULAR CLASS
02:31 - 51.720 AND INCOME AND IT'S NOT AND IT
02:31 - 53.000 JUST IF I COULD FINISH
02:31 - 54.040 ANSWERING JUDGE LIMITS
02:31 - 56.100 QUESTION. THE ONLY OTHER STATE
02:31 - 57.700 THAT SIMILAR TO PENNSYLVANIA IS
02:31 - 59.240 NEW JERSEY, NEW JERSEY HAS
02:31 - 01.360 CLASSES OF INCOME ALSO THEY
02:32 - 03.230 HAVE 16 O WHEREAS WE
02:32 - 05.120 HAVE A AND THE QUESTION DIDN'T
02:32 - 07.000 COME OUT AND I KNOW HE'S CALLED
02:32 - 08.350 HIGH IN NEW JERSEY, WHETHER OR
02:32 - 10.250 NOT A KEY TOWN PAYMENT IS
02:32 - 12.500 TAXABLE AND IT WAS FOUND TO BE
02:32 - 14.760 TAXABLE IN NEW JERSEY BUT NOT
02:32 - 16.840 AS COMPENSATION AND IN FACT THE
02:32 - 18.870 TRIAL COURT JUDGE SAID IN HIS
02:32 - 21.490 DECISION. ARGUABLY THERE IS NO
02:32 - 23.930 WILL OTHER CATEGORY OF INCOME
02:32 - 25.800 THAT THIS COULD BE TAXABLE
02:32 - 27.600 UNDER EXCEPT FOR OUR CATEGORY
02:32 - 29.940 OF INCOME NUNEZ MONIES FROM
02:32 - 31.210 DAMAGES AND WARTS.
02:32 - 33.590 NEW JERSEY HAS A SEPARATE CLASS
02:32 - 35.290 OF INCOME THAT IS SPECIFICALLY
02:32 - 37.100 NAME MONEYS FROM DAMAGES AND
02:32 - 38.920 AWARDS AND THE COURT DETERMINED
02:32 - 40.330 AND THAT MEANT AWARDS.
02:32 - 44.470 IT WAS DAMAGES AWARDED PURSUANT
02:32 - 47.440 TO COURT SUIT TO LAWSUITS, WE
02:32 - 49.230 KNOW WORK RATE PROCEEDS WERE
02:32 - 49.980 AWARDED BY
02:32 - 52.670 IN COURT. THE COURT NO DECISION
02:32 - 53.720 AND NO DISCUSSION
02:32 - 56.450 NO ARGUED IT WAS A MAIN STATION
02:32 - 58.350 JUDGE SAID HE ONLY DID WHAT WE
02:32 - 01.100 COULD SEE IT BEING IS AWARDS
02:33 - 03.030 FROM DAMAGES OR DAMAGES YET YOU
02:33 - 05.270 KNOW WORDS. PENNSYLVANIA JUST
02:33 - 06.250 HAVE TO ACT FAST.
02:33 - 08.320 THEY CALL SO IF ANYTHING I
02:33 - 09.500 THINK THAT RIGHT DECISION IN
02:33 - 11.340 NEW JERSEY'S SUPPORTS THAT THIS
02:33 - 12.950 IS A COMPENSATION. IT IS A
02:33 - 15.280 LAWSUIT. A WARRANT FROM HIM
02:33 - 16.710 BEING A PLANE TO LAST.
02:33 - 21.060 BUT THE BX AN HOUR. SO ISN'T
02:33 - 22.700 BEING AN APPEAL TO HER COURT.
02:33 - 24.440 AND THERE IS NOT BEING BINDING
02:33 - 25.550 ON THIS COURT HOW WOULD YOU
02:33 - 26.500 LIKE US TO.
02:33 - 28.990 >>NEWS. THE FINDINGS OF FACT
02:33 - 30.610 THAT WERE MADE BY THE OFFENDER
02:33 - 32.040 IN THIS DECISION OR DO WE NEED
02:33 - 33.940 TO WAIT UNTIL WE KNEW THAT
02:33 - 34.370 MATTER.
02:33 - 38.310 >>OR.
02:33 - 40.780 I
02:33 - 43.820 PREFERENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO
02:33 - 44.700 HAVE THESE HEARD
02:33 - 47.430 I.
02:33 - 49.680 >>BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY IS THE
02:33 - 51.230 SAME ISSUE AT THE STATE LEVEL.
02:33 - 52.590 BUT I DON'T THINK HEARING IT
02:33 - 53.710 NOW. WE
02:33 - 58.340 FROM
02:33 - 59.640 MAKING A DETERMINATION. I MEAN
02:33 - 01.250 THE ISSUE IS WHAT IT IS WHICH
02:34 - 02.790 IS IS IT IS A COMPENSATION FOR
02:34 - 04.110 PENNSYLVANIA PERCENT INCOME TAX
02:34 - 05.530 PURPOSES. I THINK
02:34 - 07.940 THE COURT YOU GOT IT WE WANT TO
02:34 - 09.750 HEAR THE ARGUMENT IN STATE.
02:34 - 11.220 HE'S OBVIOUSLY.
02:34 - 13.140 THAT'S IN THE COURT'S
02:34 - 15.310 DISCRETION. WE BELIEVE ANY OF
02:34 - 18.280 THE DECISION IS CLEAR IT'S IN
02:34 - 19.210 THE RECORD IN
02:34 - 23.090 THIS CASE. I THE COURT HAS HAS
02:34 - 24.320 THAT DECISION IN FRONT OF THEM
02:34 - 25.890 TO CONSIDER ALONG WITH ALL OF
02:34 - 26.690 THE OTHER ARGUMENT.
02:34 - 32.810 >>THAT CONCLUDES
02:34 - 36.540 OUR ARGUMENT. AND NUMBER ONE.
02:34 - 38.690 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:35 - 12.390 >>GOOD AFTERNOON. WHERE.
02:35 - 16.050 >>NUMBER 62 INDIANA UNIVERSITY
02:35 - 16.980 OF PENNSYLVANIA.
02:35 - 19.510 >>JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF
02:35 - 20.180 ASSESSMENT.
02:35 - 22.380 >>COUNCIL YOU EACH HAVE 15
02:35 - 23.760 MINUTES FOR YOUR ARGUMENT.
02:35 - 25.850 >>I THE.
02:35 - 29.700 >>HELEN INDIANA UNIVERSITY MAY
02:35 - 31.550 RIVER SOME OF THAT 15 MINUTE
02:35 - 33.290 FOR REBUTTAL. SO MISTER
02:35 - 36.070 HIRSHBERG WOULD YOU LIKE TO I'M
02:35 - 36.970 A REBUTTAL.
02:35 - 38.330 >>I
02:35 - 39.830 ACTUALLY RAUNER'S MISTER FIRST
02:35 - 42.480 AND THIS IS HOW I AM LOOKING AT
02:35 - 44.070 THE WRONG PATH WOULD YOU LIKE
02:35 - 46.440 TO RIVER TIME. YES POLICE
02:35 - 47.150 TREATMENTS.
02:35 - 55.670 >>REBUTTAL TIME FOLEY ALL RIGHT
02:35 - 58.160 MISTER YOU HAVE THANK YOU
02:35 - 58.490 TONIGHT.
02:35 - 01.280 >>THANK IT PLEASE THE COURT
02:36 - 02.840 MICHAEL FOR SOMETHING OUT IN
02:36 - 04.200 THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
02:36 - 06.030 BEFORE I GET MY ARGUMENT, LET'S
02:36 - 06.710 JUST SAY THANK
02:36 - 08.720 YOU ONE. THE OPPORTUNITY FIRST
02:36 - 09.990 TO DO MY FIRST ON BOTH
02:36 - 10.940 ARGUMENTS AT HER
02:36 - 12.120 AND SECONDLY, THE
02:36 - 13.580 FIRST TIME WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING
02:36 - 14.980 FOR ALMOST 2 AND A HALF MONTHS
02:36 - 16.570 SO I APPRECIATE THIS
02:36 - 17.310 OPPORTUNITY.
02:36 - 20.660 AT THE OUTSET I LIKE TO SAY
02:36 - 21.660 THAT I DON'T WANT TO OVER
02:36 - 23.010 COMPLICATE THE UNIVERSITY'S
02:36 - 24.550 POSITION IN HER POSITION IS
02:36 - 25.850 FAIRLY STANDARD IN A HURRY.
02:36 - 27.440 AND WE WELCOME I WELCOME
02:36 - 29.420 QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY
02:36 - 30.780 IN THE DECISION BELOW JUDGE FOR
02:36 - 33.380 A FOUR-DOOR MAY 2 SPECIFIC UL
02:36 - 34.610 IT'S ONE THAT I KNEW HIS
02:36 - 35.970 PROPERTY AND CONSTANT ON IT
02:36 - 39.500 IMMUNE FROM TAXATION. SO WE
02:36 - 41.550 UNITY AND THE IMMUNITY APPLIES
02:36 - 43.390 ONLY TO PORTION NOT SUBJECT TO
02:36 - 44.170 THE 3 FORT
02:36 - 47.230 LEE SAYS. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS
02:36 - 48.380 FROM THE COURT. LET ME JUMP OR
02:36 - 49.030 A 10 YEAR.
02:36 - 50.230 >>WHAT HOW IS THIS
02:36 - 52.890 CASE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER CASES
02:36 - 54.280 THIS COURT HAS DECIDED
02:36 - 56.780 CONCERNING THE UNIVERSITY AND
02:36 - 58.890 LEASED PROPERTY. THERE'S ONLY
02:36 - 00.350 ONE CASE THAT THE COURT HAS
02:37 - 01.600 DECIDED THAT AROUND THE WORLD
02:37 - 04.290 AND THAT'S THE 2016 I PACE.
02:37 - 06.170 >>I'M ALL INDIA, HOW
02:37 - 09.270 AND IT'S DIFFERENT IN IN I
02:37 - 11.320 THINK THE WAY THE ISSUE IS
02:37 - 13.380 BEING FRAMED ALSO THE COURT.
02:37 - 15.730 IN THAT CASE WE TALKED A LOT
02:37 - 16.800 ABOUT INDEED THE RECORD
02:37 - 18.130 INDICATES THAT WE TALK A LOT OF
02:37 - 18.370 THE
02:37 - 20.840 WHOLE PURPOSE. WE BELIEVE THAT
02:37 - 22.830 ARGUMENT IS A FAULTY PREMISE TO
02:37 - 24.090 START WITH THE PUBLIC ARE
02:37 - 25.530 SURGING. IS WE BELIEVE
02:37 - 27.520 OUR PROPERTY IS COMMONWEALTH
02:37 - 29.280 PROPERTY, THIS HOLY YEAR.
02:37 - 31.250 THE ARGUMENTS ARE VERY SIMILAR.
02:37 - 32.730 BUT I THINK THE ISSUES FRAMED
02:37 - 34.210 DIFFERENTLY I ALSO THINK THAT
02:37 - 35.840 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT
02:37 - 37.320 IT JUST CROSSED THE CENTER OF
02:37 - 39.980 MEMBER
02:37 - 41.950 IN KENYA. WAS THE FACT THAT THE
02:37 - 43.550 COUNTY DID NOT PROVE THAT HAVE
02:37 - 45.220 STATUTORY AUTHORITY THAT JUDGE
02:37 - 47.390 CROSSING WENT TO XM SHIP
02:37 - 49.170 DECISIONS AND DISCUSSIONS ON
02:37 - 51.420 THAT BUT THE COUNTY NEVER WHO
02:37 - 51.810 HAVE THE
02:37 - 54.450 STATUTORY AUTHORITY. THE OTHER
02:37 - 56.480 ISSUE IS THE COURT NEVER FOUND
02:37 - 57.760 IT AS FAR AS I
02:37 - 00.210 COULD TELL IF HE DID AND IT
02:38 - 01.730 SITS EMPTY PROPERTY IN THIS
02:38 - 02.840 CASE, THE HORRIBLE A
02:38 - 04.040 SPECIFICALLY FOUND THE
02:38 - 05.360 COMMONWEALTH PROPERTY AND HOST
02:38 - 07.370 A PARTY. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO
02:38 - 08.530 ISIS ISN'T NEW.
02:38 - 10.880 SO THEREFORE YOU BELIEVE THAT
02:38 - 13.350 SEPARATES THIS CASE AT LEAST IT
02:38 - 15.610 IS SOME A MINOR STEP BUT I
02:38 - 17.610 BELIEVE ON HOLD ON SHE TOOK HOW
02:38 - 19.720 WOULD YOU APPROACH OR HEART
02:38 - 20.410 ISSUE HERE.
02:38 - 22.550 >>WHEN YOU SAY YES, SO LOOKING
02:38 - 24.470 AT THE FOCUS OF NOT HAVING
02:38 - 24.920 THERE'S NO
02:38 - 26.900 STATUTORY AUTHORITY. HERE IN
02:38 - 29.470 PERTH STATIONS ERA NASA TO
02:38 - 31.090 REVISIT AND LOOK AT JUDGE
02:38 - 33.850 PROCESS IS SENT AND ADOPTED IN
02:38 - 35.460 THIS CASE. IT.
02:38 - 37.370 YES AND NO.
02:38 - 38.650 >>YES WE LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE
02:38 - 38.970 CHANGE
02:38 - 41.430 PROCESS DESCENT. YES, IT IS
02:38 - 42.630 THAT YOU KNOW I WAS DOING HE
02:38 - 44.190 WAS A LINE HE'S OUT.
02:38 - 46.040 YOU KNOW CLARA HELLO HOW ARE
02:38 - 47.280 BACK IN THE WENDY'S COMMERCIAL
02:38 - 49.350 SAID WHERE'S THE EAST. WE WANT
02:38 - 50.640 TO KNOW WHERE'S THE STATUTE.
02:38 - 52.960 WHERE'S THE SPECIFIC STATUTORY
02:38 - 55.380 AUTHORITY TO TAX COMMONWEALTH
02:38 - 56.710 PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE
02:38 - 59.060 AT WE HAVEN'T FOUND THE I P
02:38 - 00.450 CASE THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
02:39 - 02.940 THE SEPTIC CASE THAT EVERYBODY
02:39 - 06.330 RELIES ON SOME 2003. THE STATE
02:39 - 07.640 SUPREME COURT CASE.
02:39 - 10.430 DIDN'T USE A
02:39 - 12.250 STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND WE
02:39 - 13.350 HAVEN'T FOUND IT SO
02:39 - 15.250 THAT SO FROM OUR PRESIDENT FOR
02:39 - 17.500 US. YES, I THINK YOU'RE I THINK
02:39 - 18.180 YOU'RE.
02:39 - 20.270 >>YOU'RE FOCUSING ON.
02:39 - 23.290 IT IS 11 A ONE THIS AND
02:39 - 25.140 WHAT IT SAYS REAL ESTATE ALSO
02:39 - 27.000 DIXON PROPERTY MADE TAXABLE BY
02:39 - 28.700 LAW THIS COMMONWEALTH YOU'RE
02:39 - 29.890 NOT LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT
02:39 - 31.410 COMES ALL THE CATEGORIES BIG
02:39 - 32.860 THAT GO AFTER THAT YOU JUST
02:39 - 33.630 WANT TO LOOK AT
02:39 - 35.760 BACK AT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE
02:39 - 37.300 THERE IS NO LAW OF THE
02:39 - 39.540 COMMONWEALTH MAKING STATE
02:39 - 41.690 PROPERTY. TAXABLE
02:39 - 43.100 YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO THE
02:39 - 44.840 CATEGORIES THAT BASICALLY ARE
02:39 - 45.650 GOING RIGHT.
02:39 - 46.960 >>CORRECT AND THAT STARTS IN
02:39 - 47.040 THE
02:39 - 50.650 THIS IS A STATE EMPLOYEES
02:39 - 51.980 RETIREMENT SYSTEM CASE FOR
02:39 - 53.550 THE SENATE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE
02:39 - 55.620 SPECIFIC AUTHORITY ACCIDENT IN
02:39 - 56.960 THE CASE IS ALONG THE LINES
02:39 - 58.240 THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE
02:39 - 59.810 WHETHER IT'S UP TO CITY OF
02:39 - 01.470 PHILADELPHIA. THE AUTHORITY
02:40 - 03.630 CASES WERE SET ALREADY FACES
02:40 - 05.110 ALL STARTED WITH THE SAME
02:40 - 07.730 PREMISE AND THAT IS. THERE'S
02:40 - 08.350 A NEED.
02:40 - 10.260 >>AND THEN IMMUNITY.
02:40 - 13.200 >>MORSE INTO THEN DISCUSSED IN
02:40 - 14.700 PUBLIC PURPOSE WHICH IS AN
02:40 - 16.890 EXEMPTION UNDER WHAT.
02:40 - 18.900 >>I THINK IT'S UP
02:40 - 19.910 88 WELLS.
02:40 - 22.400 >>I THINK I THINK YOU'RE MAKING
02:40 - 23.390 WHAT I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A
02:40 - 25.290 VERY TOLERABLE ARGUMENT I THINK
02:40 - 27.750 OUR PROBLEM IS WE MAY NOT BE
02:40 - 28.510 ABLE TO DO ANYTHING
02:40 - 31.860 ABOUT IT. IN LIGHT OF IN LIGHT
02:40 - 33.430 OF THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA.
02:40 - 36.110 IT'S A BIG
02:40 - 38.070 IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS CORRECT AND
02:40 - 39.700 THAT THERE WASN'T SUBJECT TO
02:40 - 41.530 THE TAX AND THAT THE
02:40 - 44.760 CASE EITHER BY THE BUT THE
02:40 - 46.490 SUPREME COURT SAID THEY WEREN'T
02:40 - 47.800 SUPREME COURT DID THE ANALYSIS
02:40 - 49.310 EVEN THAT PARTICULAR FACT
02:40 - 51.320 PATTERN AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT
02:40 - 53.170 WE WOULD IN PARTICULAR AND
02:40 - 54.490 RELATIVELY RECENT CASES IN
02:40 - 55.680 TERMS OF JURISPRUDENCE
02:40 - 57.780 WHO HAS AN ARMY OF HOW A COURT
02:40 - 58.980 YOU'RE SORT OF APP YOU HAVE TO
02:40 - 01.420 UNSETTLE A COUPLE OF SUPREME
02:41 - 04.230 COURT DECISIONS. AND THAT'S I
02:41 - 05.430 THINK THAT THE HARD LEFT.
02:41 - 07.200 I.
02:41 - 09.300 >>AGREE IN SOME RESPECTS BUT
02:41 - 10.980 NOT FOR THE ALLERGY IS THAT
02:41 - 12.890 WE'RE NOT SET UP. AND THAT'S
02:41 - 14.160 WHERE I WANTED ME TO FOCUS MY
02:41 - 15.530 ARGUMENT IF YOU LOOK AT THE
02:41 - 17.330 STATUTORY SCHEME ESTABLISHED
02:41 - 19.560 SEPTA IN THE STATE SYSTEM
02:41 - 21.280 THEY'RE DIFFERENT. THE
02:41 - 22.480 DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT WE
02:41 - 24.070 OR COMMONWEALTH CONTROL
02:41 - 25.360 AND THAT WAS THE PENN STATE
02:41 - 26.720 VERSUS TERRY TOWNSHIP THAT'S
02:41 - 28.180 THE LONE STAR QUESTION
02:41 - 30.160 ARE YOU COMPLETELY CONTROLLED
02:41 - 31.640 BY A COMMON GOAL. OUR
02:41 - 33.860 PROPERTY IS ONCE I'M HE
02:41 - 35.760 ACQUIRED PROPERTY IN THE TITLES
02:41 - 37.570 I IT IS OUR COMMONWEALTH THAT
02:41 - 39.190 SALINAS THE TITLE.
02:41 - 42.400 ONCE I GET PEOPLE FIRED HOT
02:41 - 44.150 PROPERTY THE ONLY WAY THAT WE
02:41 - 46.530 ONLY SELLING DISPOSE OF IT DO
02:41 - 48.150 ANYTHING WITH IT OTHER THEY
02:41 - 50.650 USE IT IS BY GETTING PERMISSION
02:41 - 51.710 FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
02:41 - 52.670 THAT'S
02:41 - 55.630 NOT SET. SO THEY CAN BUY SELL
02:41 - 57.200 THEY HAVE ALL THESE OTHER RULES
02:41 - 58.530 THAT THEY CAN DO THAT OR NOT
02:41 - 00.210 SUPPORT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE
02:42 - 01.820 ACCESS TO OUR BOARD OF
02:42 - 04.180 GOVERNORS INCLUDES THE GOVERNOR
02:42 - 05.600 INCLUDES THE SECRETARY OF
02:42 - 07.090 EDUCATION FOR MEMBERS OF THE
02:42 - 08.960 GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND 14 OTHER
02:42 - 10.480 MEMBERS THEY'RE POINTED BY THE
02:42 - 12.110 GOVERNOR SENATE APPROVAL
02:42 - 13.730 COUNCILS OF TRUSTEES THAT
02:42 - 15.710 OVERSEE UNIVERSITIES 10 OF THE
02:42 - 17.880 11 MINUTE OR 2 POINTS WITH
02:42 - 20.260 SENATE APPROVAL. OUR PROPERTY.
02:42 - 22.600 IT IS WHOLLY OWNED BY THE
02:42 - 24.850 COMMON WEAL WHEN THAT CALL GETS
02:42 - 27.450 OUT IT'S TIME THE ANNUAL
02:42 - 28.680 FINANCIAL STATEMENT, OUR
02:42 - 29.310 PROPERTIES
02:42 - 30.690 INCLUDE YOU. IN THE
02:42 - 31.920 COMMONWEALTH PROPERTY WHY IS
02:42 - 33.790 THAT IT IS WE'RE PART OF IT IS
02:42 - 35.500 WHAT SINGLE PART OF THE KIDS.
02:42 - 37.850 OR PROPERTY IS PART OF THE
02:42 - 39.940 KINGS PROPERTY. THE PRINCE'S
02:42 - 41.810 DON'T HAVE THE SUIT WITH THE
02:42 - 44.370 WORD TAX PROPERTY. THAT'S GOING
02:42 - 45.590 BACK TO THE INITIAL ARGUMENT
02:42 - 46.470 THAT THEY HAVE THE
02:42 - 48.460 STATUTORY AUTHORITY. THE
02:42 - 50.230 PRINCES HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAX
02:42 - 52.370 THE COMMONWEALTH SAYS IT TAX
02:42 - 54.280 THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE
02:42 - 56.520 GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN THE CASES
02:42 - 58.250 AGAIN ALL SAFE TO SAY THAT
02:42 - 59.760 WE'RE NOT GOING TO UPSET PEOPLE
02:42 - 01.540 WHEN PROCESS OF GOVERNMENT BY
02:43 - 04.020 ALLOWING HIM LOCAL TAXI WAYS TO
02:43 - 05.600 TAX COMMONWEALTH PROPERTY.
02:43 - 06.490 IT'S NOT.
02:43 - 08.890 THAT'S AND THAT'S HOW DO YOU
02:43 - 09.800 ADDRESS THEM.
02:43 - 12.150 >>CHIEF JUSTICE SAILORS.
02:43 - 14.620 A CONCURRING OPINION IN THE
02:43 - 17.470 CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. ABOUT
02:43 - 20.030 NOT WANTING. PEOPLE TO HAVE A
02:43 - 21.410 NEW PROPERTY TO TURN INTO
02:43 - 23.380 COMMERCIAL LANDLORDS AND
02:43 - 24.910 COMPETING WITH THE PRIVATE
02:43 - 26.730 MARKETPLACE THAT THAT IS NOT
02:43 - 27.910 WHAT THE COMMUNITY THAT
02:43 - 28.350 COMMUNITY
02:43 - 31.340 IS QUALIFIED. AND I THINK THAT
02:43 - 32.870 THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT REVIEW
02:43 - 33.990 WOULD MEAN UNITY IS NOT
02:43 - 34.910 ABSOLUTE.
02:43 - 36.880 >>IT'S A QUALITY 5 HOW DO YOU
02:43 - 37.520 GET OVER.
02:43 - 39.510 YEAH, I REALIZED IT WAS JUST A
02:43 - 40.440 CONCURRING OPINION
02:43 - 42.860 BUT YOU KNOW THE MAJORITY OF
02:43 - 44.220 THE REALLY IMPACTED ME MORE THE
02:43 - 45.610 ROAD TO THE MAJORITY OPINION
02:43 - 47.330 CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, SO YOU'VE
02:43 - 48.770 GOT 2 JUSTICES THAT ARE STILL
02:43 - 50.440 THERE AGREEING ON A CONCURRENT
02:43 - 51.630 HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT.
02:43 - 55.040 >>IN IN JUST A LIST AND TO ALSO
02:43 - 56.530 LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT DOES
02:43 - 57.860 THIS COME INTO PLAY IF YOU END
02:43 - 01.310 UP IN THE SUPREME BUT I
02:44 - 03.570 THINK THE IDEA IS THAT I
02:44 - 06.130 UNDERSTAND WHAT JUDGE SAYLOR
02:44 - 07.710 SAME. BUT.
02:44 - 16.610 PURPOSE ANALYSIS. ONLY GOES
02:44 - 18.100 TO TAXABLE PROPERTIES THE
02:44 - 20.270 LEGISLATURE GETS TO SAY TO SAY
02:44 - 22.280 WHAT'S TAXABLE UNDER.
02:44 - 24.550 JUST A SAILOR TO JUST THE
02:44 - 27.010 SAILORS WHO KNEW. HE'S SAYING
02:44 - 29.600 NO THE COURTS GET TO DECIDE
02:44 - 30.870 THE HACK. WHAT IS
02:44 - 34.360 TAXABLE THAT'S THAT'S WHY I SAY
02:44 - 35.600 THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND I
02:44 - 36.620 THINK BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S
02:44 - 37.960 WHERE THE SORT OF MINDSET NEW
02:44 - 38.390 JUSTICE
02:44 - 40.770 SNIPERS CENT IN THE FIRST
02:44 - 43.620 SEPARATE CASE OF 2003. OR
02:44 - 44.790 THAT'S NOT THE FIRST ONE, BUT
02:44 - 46.540 ONE OF MANY, THE DESCENT HE'S
02:44 - 47.510 LIKE WE MONEY THAT
02:44 - 49.830 THEY CAN. ANOTHER IS WE TALKING
02:44 - 51.730 YOU KNOW WE PUT PUBLIC PURPOSE
02:44 - 52.960 ON TOP OF IN
02:44 - 55.050 THE COURTS HAVE SAID AND I
02:44 - 56.360 THINK IT CITED IN OUR REPORT
02:44 - 57.900 NUMBERS PATIENTS THAT
02:44 - 59.960 COMMONWEALTH PROPERTY OR STATE
02:44 - 01.140 PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR
02:45 - 03.210 WHATEVER FOR THIS IT WANTS TO
02:45 - 05.580 WITHOUT TAXATION. THIS CASE IS
02:45 - 06.270 THAT MAKE THAT
02:45 - 08.600 LINE BEFORE THEN EVERYBODY THAT
02:45 - 09.720 GOES TO THE PUBLIC PURPOSE TO
02:45 - 11.480 GET JUMPING SORT OF JUMPING
02:45 - 13.550 SHARK I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR US.
02:45 - 15.270 SO WE THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU IF
02:45 - 16.400 YOU READ THE TRANSCRIPTS IN
02:45 - 17.650 THIS CASE WHICH ONE DO
02:45 - 19.690 YOU HAVE WE PUT ON SIMPLE OF
02:45 - 21.630 ITS IT MINISTRATIONS FINANCE
02:45 - 23.730 WAS PRESIDENT THE TIME. WE KNEW
02:45 - 24.900 WE OWN THE PROPERTY.
02:45 - 27.170 WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IS
02:45 - 28.790 TITLED IN OUR NAME AND.
02:45 - 31.760 THAT'S A FACT THAT WE DON'T
02:45 - 32.460 HAVE TO GO THROUGH
02:45 - 35.410 ZONING ORDINANCES, LABOR AND
02:45 - 37.010 INDUSTRY WHEN WE BUILT THE
02:45 - 38.460 RENOVATIONS PROPERTY. IT WILL
02:45 - 40.730 BE LABOR AND INDUSTRY GETS SO
02:45 - 41.810 WHAT WAS MEANT TO SERVE
02:45 - 43.530 REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING
02:45 - 45.540 ARE SO I THINK THAT'S
02:45 - 48.330 I UNDERSTAND. JURORS BELIEVE ME
02:45 - 50.250 I UNDERSTAND I THE LAST TIME A
02:45 - 51.360 DERBY THIS IN FRONT OF JUDGE
02:45 - 53.560 DROPS. I HAD THE SAME PANEL
02:45 - 55.710 JUST HOW THE JUDGMENT IN WHICH
02:45 - 57.070 A REVIEW OF THE GREAT WE CAN
02:45 - 57.640 YOU IN
02:45 - 00.580 2012. IT SAID EXACTLY WHAT THE
02:46 - 02.750 PANEL SAID 2015 AND I REMEMBER
02:46 - 03.950 TELLING JUST PROCESS HAD TO
02:46 - 05.890 CALL A CLEARLY ERRONEOUS IN OUR
02:46 - 06.630 VIEW IT FROM.
02:46 - 08.960 BUT BUT I THINK THAT AND I'M
02:46 - 11.590 NOT IT. I THINK THAT WHEN IT'S
02:46 - 13.030 A LOGICAL ARGUE THERE'S THE
02:46 - 14.180 ABILITY TO TAX.
02:46 - 16.750 IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAX
02:46 - 17.980 THE LOOK TO EXCEPTION.
02:46 - 19.630 IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY
02:46 - 21.220 TO TAX YOU GET TO THAT SECOND
02:46 - 23.460 PART AND THE COURTS I THINK IT
02:46 - 23.780 DOESN'T.
02:46 - 27.920 >>IMAGINE FOR DIE, I'M IT
02:46 - 29.570 WASN'T ME OR.
02:46 - 32.230 >>BOLO HOLD THAT.
02:46 - 34.560 >>YOU ARE SUBJECT TO TAXATION
02:46 - 36.970 BY BURTON LOOK BACK TO 8811.
02:46 - 43.850 >>THE COURT BELOW A MILE RELY
02:46 - 44.890 SOLELY ON SET.
02:46 - 47.060 >>IF YOU'RE IN THE U N.
02:46 - 50.490 >>AND IF ANY A JUDGE FOR HER
02:46 - 52.950 FOUND THAT. WE'RE NOT
02:46 - 53.850 FOR ME.
02:46 - 55.520 >>OK, BUT THEY'RE ALL YOU HAVE
02:46 - 57.450 TO BE A STATUTORY BASIS FOR
02:46 - 58.140 CASH.
02:46 - 59.700 >>THEY'RE NOT A MATTER OF
02:46 - 00.900 COMMON LAW.
02:47 - 02.870 >>I AGREE WITH YOU YOUR HONOR,
02:47 - 04.020 BUT IF YOU READ THE OPINION.
02:47 - 06.270 THERE'S NOT ONE SECTION OUT
02:47 - 07.690 THE COW AND SOME OF THE
02:47 - 08.730 ECONOMISTS ESTIMATE.
02:47 - 12.060 STATUTE MENTION. AND THAT'S
02:47 - 13.300 WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND
02:47 - 14.690 IT IN THE OTHER CASES THAT WE
02:47 - 16.510 KNOW OF WHERE ONCE THEY SET.
02:47 - 19.540 >>88 YOU KNOW IN THE FIRST TIME
02:47 - 19.990 THE CASE,
02:47 - 22.130 88 WELL LUCKILY WAS MENTIONED
02:47 - 23.060 BECAUSE IT TALKED ABOUT THE
02:47 - 24.990 POPE PURPOSE. BUT
02:47 - 26.800 88 WELL ONLY COMES INTO EFFECT
02:47 - 26.910 AT
02:47 - 28.280 8.11 WAS.
02:47 - 32.010 >>WELL 12 IS AN EXEMPTION AND
02:47 - 33.360 YOUR POSITION AND YOU'RE NOT
02:47 - 34.710 TALKING ABOUT AN EXEMPTION
02:47 - 36.330 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IMMUNITY.
02:47 - 38.810 CREDIT WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT
02:47 - 40.720 ASKED FOR IMMUNITY IS THAT
02:47 - 42.410 ANYTHING OTHER THAN
02:47 - 44.320 DEMONSTRATING THAT YOU'RE THE
02:47 - 44.890 FATHER.
02:47 - 47.340 >>IT IT IS WHAT
02:47 - 49.620 THE DERRY TOWNSHIP SUPREME
02:47 - 51.290 COURT CASE WAS WHICH IS THE
02:47 - 53.060 LOWEST ARES ONLY SO UNDER THE
02:47 - 53.990 COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE
02:47 - 55.760 COMMONWEALTH, THE PROPERTY IS
02:47 - 57.590 THE CONGRESS AND I DON'T THINK
02:47 - 58.880 ANY BUT STILL WITH THAT IN OUR
02:47 - 02.000 CASES. AND HAS TO.
02:48 - 05.140 THE EXCEPTIONAL SCIENTIST BUT
02:48 - 06.620 WITHOUT A COURT. WE DON'T EVEN
02:48 - 09.050 NEED TO HAVE A RACE. ELIGIBLE
02:48 - 11.330 WITH 70'S. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT.
02:48 - 12.700 IT SAYS COLLEGES AND
02:48 - 15.610 UNIVERSITIES 83. BUT THEN SAYS
02:48 - 16.980 THAT ARE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE
02:48 - 19.250 SHIRTS. WHAT WE'RE NOT PUBLIC
02:48 - 21.300 OR PRIVATE CHAIR. THEN YOU GET
02:48 - 21.860 DOWN TO.
02:48 - 25.100 AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE OLD
02:48 - 27.490 FROM US AND AGAIN ALL PROPERTY
02:48 - 29.180 I THINK IT'S IS NOT USED FOR A
02:48 - 31.330 PURPOSE, BUT AGAIN YOUR MONEY
02:48 - 33.670 WOULD BE THE PUBLIC PROPERTY
02:48 - 36.320 FOR TSU IS MUNICIPAL PROPERTY
02:48 - 38.060 FOR ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT
02:48 - 40.520 COMMONWEALTH'S AND I THINK
02:48 - 42.360 THAT'S YOU KNOW EVEN IN 1980.
02:48 - 43.740 THERE'S A CASE OUT OF THE CITY
02:48 - 45.400 AIRS CASE THAT'S REFERENCE
02:48 - 47.570 NUMBER 3. IT CAME IN THE CONGO
02:48 - 48.880 OR DID NOT MENTION SAID.
02:48 - 49.650 I KNOW THAT
02:48 - 52.060 YOU KNOW THAT IS EXPOSED JUST
02:48 - 54.070 STAY WITH ME. ALREADY THE
02:48 - 56.400 COURT CASE. BUT NOT IN A
02:48 - 57.370 POSITION IN.
02:48 - 00.740 WE BELIEVE THAT POSITION ITSELF
02:49 - 02.440 HOUSE ABILITY. I UNDERSTAND
02:49 - 04.710 JUST PROCESS TO SEARCH THE IT
02:49 - 06.550 WOULD LITERALLY MAY BE LOOKING
02:49 - 08.040 AT SOMETHING THAT THE SUPREME
02:49 - 09.690 COURT'S DONE TRYING TO OVERTURN
02:49 - 11.310 IT. WE SAYS WE SUGGEST THAT'S
02:49 - 13.080 NOT OVERTURN IT. BUT IT'S
02:49 - 13.640 ACTUALLY
02:49 - 14.710 PROBABLY STACKS
02:49 - 17.330 IN THE LAW TO CASE THAT EXISTS
02:49 - 19.710 TODAY WHICH MEANS. I IS PART OF
02:49 - 22.700 THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM AND THIS
02:49 - 25.210 TO UNIVERSITY SYSTEM PROPERTY
02:49 - 26.760 IS COMPARABLE PROPERTIES.
02:49 - 29.810 I I'M GOOD I'M GLAD THE
02:49 - 30.940 ANSWERING MORE QUESTIONS I
02:49 - 31.930 THINK IT'S PRETTY DISTURBING
02:49 - 33.250 RISE OF ONE QUICK I HAVE ONE
02:49 - 34.010 QUICK QUESTION
02:49 - 34.700 DO IT.
02:49 - 36.550 >>AND IT'S A BIT OF A STINKER
02:49 - 38.250 AFFIRM THAT I UPI DECISION THAT
02:49 - 39.480 JUDGE MCGINLEY ISSUED THE PANEL
02:49 - 40.090 I WAS ON.
02:49 - 43.110 >>THEY DID NOT TAKE OUR PART.
02:49 - 46.370 IT IS FROM UPPER
02:49 - 48.340 >>I'M.
02:49 - 50.400 >>YOU'RE RIGHT. THE FIRST TIME
02:49 - 52.150 WE HAVE THE DECLARATORY
02:49 - 54.120 JUDGMENT ACTION THAT ONE UP
02:49 - 56.570 AND WE WERE THAT WAS THE FIRST
02:49 - 57.750 AND THEN WAS SENT BACK TO THE
02:49 - 00.540 COUNTY. TO GO THROUGH THE TAX
02:50 - 02.110 ASSESSMENT PROCESS OF HOW MANY
02:50 - 04.050 LEVELS SO WE CAME TO YOU.
02:50 - 07.500 IN A PALETTE CAPACITY. I DON'T
02:50 - 08.570 THINK THEY AFFIRMED THE
02:50 - 09.620 DECISION I THINK THEY'RE JUST
02:50 - 09.850 NOT.
02:50 - 11.280 >>OK THANK YOU.
02:50 - 23.670 >>GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M IT PLEASE
02:50 - 24.750 THE COURT AND EVERYONE HERE ME.
02:50 - 28.030 >>FADING OUT A
02:50 - 28.420 LITTLE BIT.
02:50 - 30.540 >>I THINK IT MEANS A MY
02:50 - 32.710 COMPUTERS CHIEF AND I APOLOGIZE
02:50 - 34.470 IF I ANY CREED YOU CANNOT HEAR
02:50 - 36.060 ME PLEASE JUST I'M SURREAL
02:50 - 37.040 QUICKLY LET
02:50 - 39.590 ME KNOW. I WANTED TO START OUT
02:50 - 41.360 WITH AGREEING WITH WHAT JUDGE
02:50 - 42.170 BRONSON SO
02:50 - 45.220 ELOQUENTLY SAID SEPTA ISN'T
02:50 - 46.610 EVEN A COUNCIL, IT'S NEVER A
02:50 - 48.400 GOOD WAY TO START THE NEW YEAR
02:50 - 48.700 ON IT.
02:50 - 50.960 BUT I I WOULD AGREE THAT SEPT
02:50 - 51.270 ISN'T
02:50 - 55.000 INSURMOUNTABLE BURDEN HASHI AND
02:50 - 56.350 THE INDIANA UNIVERSITY OF
02:50 - 57.410 PENNSYLVANIA IN THIS
02:50 - 59.250 CASE, THE THAT DECISION IN
02:50 - 01.050 ASHLEY IS COMPLEX OR THE
02:51 - 04.480 DECISION IN SEPTA IS CLEAR THAT
02:51 - 05.240 IMMUNITY,
02:51 - 08.360 NOT QUALIFY WHERE THE PROPERTY
02:51 - 10.140 IS NOT BEING USED FOR A PURPOSE
02:51 - 12.080 THAT ADVANCES THE
02:51 - 17.670 THE INDIANA UNIVERSITY
02:51 - 18.570 OF PENNSYLVANIA.
02:51 - 20.890 THIS COURT THE COMMONWEALTH
02:51 - 23.210 COURT HAS HEARD THIS CASE TWICE
02:51 - 25.910 BY THIS BY PELLETS TWICE
02:51 - 27.330 DENIED IT BUT BEFORE YOU
02:51 - 28.680 GETTING INTO THAT I WANTED TO
02:51 - 30.060 MENTION AND.
02:51 - 32.840 COUNCIL OF MENTIONS LODESTAR
02:51 - 34.320 THAT THE LOAD START QUESTION IS
02:51 - 35.240 CONTROL OF
02:51 - 37.560 THE PROPERTY. WE VIEW THAT IS
02:51 - 39.470 OF THRESHOLDS QUESTION TO
02:51 - 40.890 ESTABLISH WHETHER THERE IS
02:51 - 43.810 ANY IMMUNITY. INDEED THERE IS
02:51 - 45.610 IMMUNITY THAT THEN SWITCHES THE
02:51 - 47.910 BIRDING OVER TO THE
02:51 - 50.780 TAXING BODIES. THEN SHOW WHY
02:51 - 52.100 THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY UNITY
02:51 - 53.680 IN THE MANNER IN WHICH WE
02:51 - 55.070 REVEAL THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE
02:51 - 55.780 IMMUNITY FOR
02:51 - 58.260 THOSE PARCELS IS TO SHOW THAT
02:51 - 59.230 THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH THE
02:51 - 00.550 GOVERNMENT WILL USE OF THE
02:52 - 00.880 OWNER.
02:52 - 03.680 HERE I UPI PURCHASED SEVERAL
02:52 - 04.920 PARCELS OF LAND AND WHEN THEY
02:52 - 07.070 TOOK THEM ON THEY WERE IN GET
02:52 - 08.740 THEM. THERE WERE COMMERCIAL
02:52 - 11.750 LEASES OR A DINER OR A
02:52 - 13.250 CHIROPRACTIC OFFICE.
02:52 - 17.090 >>SEVERAL
02:52 - 19.510 OTHER IT. BUSINESSES THEY
02:52 - 21.200 IMMEDIATELY. UNDER THE
02:52 - 22.750 TESTIMONY OF THE SOLE WITNESS
02:52 - 24.580 FOR THE APPELLANT HAD NOTHING
02:52 - 26.890 TO DO WITH VALUE PEAS
02:52 - 28.130 GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE.
02:52 - 30.220 RETURNING BACK TO WHAT THIS
02:52 - 30.780 COURT'S THE
02:52 - 32.990 DECIDED BEFORE IN PENNSYLVANIA
02:52 - 35.130 STATE A STATE SYSTEM OF HIGHER
02:52 - 37.270 EDUCATION VERSUS INDIANA SCHOOL
02:52 - 38.380 DISTRICT THIS WAS STARTED IN
02:52 - 39.770 2012 UNDER THE INITIAL
02:52 - 41.100 DECLARATION ACTION TO MISTER
02:52 - 43.090 FERGUSON ACTIONS AND THAT WAS
02:52 - 46.000 AFFIRMED IN 20 13 BY THE
02:52 - 46.900 SUPREME COURT.
02:52 - 48.880 THE COMMONWEALTH COURT HELD
02:52 - 50.510 THAT FOR TAX IMMUNITY PURSE
02:52 - 52.760 ABOUT PURPOSES PATCHY IS NOT
02:52 - 54.360 THE EQUIVALENT AND THE
02:52 - 56.500 SOVEREIGN COMMONWEALTH, THAT'S
02:52 - 58.070 A SIGNIFICANT DISTINCTION
02:52 - 59.980 DISTINCTION THERE RATHER PASS
02:52 - 00.270 SHE'S A
02:53 - 02.740 QUOTE INSTRUMENTS TALITHA OR
02:53 - 04.150 AGENCY OF THE GOVERNMENT WHICH
02:53 - 06.310 IS ENTITLED TO ONLY THE INITIAL
02:53 - 07.010 PRESUMPTION OF
02:53 - 09.010 TAX IMMUNITY THAT RESUMPTION IS
02:53 - 10.430 AGAIN OVERCOME WHEN PATCHY
02:53 - 12.830 UTILIZES THE PROPERTY OUTSIDE
02:53 - 14.130 OF A SOFTER EYES GOVERNMENT
02:53 - 15.060 ACTIONS.
02:53 - 18.120 >>MISTER HERSH HER UNDER A THAT
02:53 - 19.850 ARGUMENT THEN YOU'RE SUGGESTING
02:53 - 21.620 THERE BASED ON PRECEDENT
02:53 - 23.060 INCLUDING ZAPPA
02:53 - 25.570 THERE IS A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY
02:53 - 28.250 ANALYSIS FOR PROPERTY HELD BY
02:53 - 29.730 THE COMMONWEALTH HAS THE
02:53 - 32.340 SOVEREIGN AND PROPERTY HELD BY
02:53 - 35.290 LEGISLATIVE CREATIONS. OF THE
02:53 - 37.200 COMMONWEALTH MISTER MENTALITY
02:53 - 39.660 SO TO SPEAK LIKE AND STATE
02:53 - 41.630 SYSTEM IN 2 DIFFERENT IN OUR
02:53 - 42.260 COMMUNITY.
02:53 - 44.800 >>I'M SAYING VERY SPECIFICALLY
02:53 - 46.740 THE ANALYSIS FOR IMMUNITY FOR
02:53 - 49.030 AN AGENCY OR INSTRUMENT ALLEY
02:53 - 50.010 IS SEPARATE.
02:53 - 51.910 >>OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING
02:53 - 52.990 THERE'S TO PURSUE LET ME LET ME
02:53 - 53.730 ASK THIS QUESTION THE
02:53 - 54.970 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA
02:53 - 56.520 DCNR IN PARTICULARLY
02:53 - 59.120 WE HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF
02:53 - 00.860 ACRES HAPPY AND YOU KNOW HOW
02:54 - 02.080 MANY THOUSANDS OF ACRES.
02:54 - 03.320 I WILL AND THROUGHOUT THE
02:54 - 04.430 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA
02:54 - 04.960 FOR NATURAL
02:54 - 08.110 GAS EXTRACTION A DRIVE REVENUE
02:54 - 09.840 PROBLEM THAT SURELY COMMERCIAL
02:54 - 12.240 ENTERPRISE EXACT TACTICAL.
02:54 - 16.360 >>I HONESTLY CAN'T SPEAK TO
02:54 - 17.030 THAT YOUR HONOR.
02:54 - 19.740 I WOULD SAY FOR TUNING IN WE
02:54 - 20.850 GOT IT WOULD DEPEND ON AN
02:54 - 22.720 ANALYSIS OF THE OWNERSHIP
02:54 - 24.720 OWNERSHIP ENTITIES. THE AMOUNT
02:54 - 26.130 OF WHAT HE TOLD YOU I JUST TOLD
02:54 - 27.590 YOU IT'S THE COMET COMMONWEALTH
02:54 - 28.980 OF PENNSYLVANIA PROPERTY HELD
02:54 - 30.500 INTERESTING ARTICLE ONE SECTION
02:54 - 31.540 27 OF THE
02:54 - 32.920 PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION.
02:54 - 34.930 >>IT IS CONTROLLED BY DEEP THE
02:54 - 35.420 NRA
02:54 - 38.140 STATE AGENCY AND THE DNR IS
02:54 - 39.180 AUTHORIZED BY THE GENERAL
02:54 - 41.040 ASSEMBLY AS THE STATE SYSTEM
02:54 - 42.150 HERE TO LEAVE
02:54 - 45.960 HIS LAST BAILEY'S COMMONWEALTH
02:54 - 46.330 LAND
02:54 - 48.260 FOR REVEREND FOR COMMERCIAL
02:54 - 49.490 ENTERPRISE THE EXTRACTION OF
02:54 - 52.510 NATURAL GAS IS IT TAXABLE OR IS
02:54 - 53.210 IT I MEAN.
02:54 - 58.510 >>IF IT'S NEW IT'S OWNED BY AN
02:54 - 00.150 INSTRUMENT SALLY OR AGENCY OF
02:55 - 01.360 THE COMMONWEALTH, YOUR HONOR
02:55 - 02.580 AND
02:55 - 05.280 THE PURPOSE OR WHICH IS LEASED
02:55 - 07.910 OUT IMPLIES WITH ANY AGENCIES
02:55 - 09.780 UNDERLYING DIRECTIVE. IT WOULD
02:55 - 10.670 NOT BE CHECKS.
02:55 - 19.970 >>OKAY WHAT ABOUT
02:55 - 22.830 OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT HERE AND
02:55 - 23.680 HEARD AROUND THE
02:55 - 26.500 CAPITOL COMPLEX. MANY OF THEM
02:55 - 28.600 LEAVES OUT SPACE TO
02:55 - 31.120 BENDER IN THE OLD DAYS THEY
02:55 - 33.810 USED TO BE VENDORS THAT AND
02:55 - 35.780 DISABILITY OF SOME SORT IN MY
02:55 - 38.700 LINE. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR
02:55 - 40.480 OWN LITTLE RESTAURANT IS RIGHT
02:55 - 43.140 AND ME. OFFICE BUILDING THAT
02:55 - 43.820 TAXABLE.
02:55 - 46.270 >>ARE THOSE BUILDINGS OWNED BY
02:55 - 47.030 THE COMMONWEALTH.
02:55 - 48.590 >>OH YEAH.
02:55 - 50.630 >>IF THEIR OWN TO DIRECTLY BY
02:55 - 52.150 THE COMMONWEALTH LOOTED THOSE
02:55 - 53.020 PROPERTIES SHOULD
02:55 - 54.900 BE IMMUNE. IT DID WHAT WITH
02:55 - 56.390 WHAT THE SCENARIO THAT OFTEN
02:55 - 57.330 CLASHED WHAT DO YOU MEAN
02:55 - 58.650 DIRECTLY I MEAN THEY'RE THEY'RE
02:55 - 59.510 PROBABLY.
02:56 - 01.560 >>IN THE DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL
02:56 - 03.220 SERVICES COM WELL.
02:56 - 06.740 >>NOBODY AGAIN WITH THE
02:56 - 08.300 DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES
02:56 - 10.680 WOULD BE AND AGENCY GORE IS TO
02:56 - 12.180 MENTALITY OF THE COMMONWEALTH
02:56 - 13.740 AND IS BRANCHING OUT OF
02:56 - 14.910 THOSE PROPERTIES.
02:56 - 18.110 >>FURTHERS I WHY ISN'T PASHLEY
02:56 - 20.440 IN ORANGE COUNTY OF A MALL.
02:56 - 22.350 >>I WOULD PAY UP AS SHE
02:56 - 24.360 ABSOLUTELY IS AN AGENCY OR
02:56 - 26.590 INSTRUMENT HELD. COMING OFF AN
02:56 - 28.520 ABSOLUTELY IS AND PASS SHE'S
02:56 - 29.490 VERY CATCHY AND
02:56 - 31.810 INDIANA UNIVERSITY'S AND
02:56 - 33.210 SYLVANIA AS SPECIFIC
02:56 - 35.100 GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSES FOR THE
02:56 - 36.600 PROVISION OF INSTRUCTION FOR
02:56 - 38.020 UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE
02:56 - 39.600 STUDENTS TO AND BEYOND THE
02:56 - 41.090 MASTER'S DEGREE IN THE LIBERAL
02:56 - 42.670 ARTS AND SCIENCES IN APPLIED
02:56 - 44.360 FIELDS, INCLUDING THE TEACHING
02:56 - 46.210 PROFESSION. THAT'S THEIR
02:56 - 47.630 MISSION STATEMENT THAT SPURRED
02:56 - 48.560 GOVERNMENTAL
02:56 - 52.120 FOR US LEASING OUT MERSCH UL
02:56 - 56.070 PROPERTY TO A CHIROPRACTOR IN
02:56 - 56.770 NO WAY.
02:57 - 01.800 GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE LEASING
02:57 - 03.540 AND GENERATE REVENUE THEY
02:57 - 04.670 GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE
02:57 - 05.360 UNIVERSITY.
02:57 - 07.100 >>HELP A BROTHER UNIVERSITIES
02:57 - 07.740 EXPENSES.
02:57 - 09.410 >>IT DOES MEAN UNDER SEPTA
02:57 - 11.070 THAT'S ACTING AS A LANDLORD AND
02:57 - 12.550 IF YOU'RE ACTING AS A LANDLORD
02:57 - 14.450 THAT'S ECOMMERCE FOR COMMERCIAL
02:57 - 15.380 ENDEAVORS THAT.
02:57 - 18.060 >>SO IS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENT
02:57 - 21.810 ON A NATURAL RESOURCES. WHEN
02:57 - 23.340 MAINLY SOUTH BAY.
02:57 - 28.020 OIL AND GAS DRILLERS AND THE
02:57 - 28.800 COMMERCIAL.
02:57 - 31.900 AND I COULD FEEL HER DURING
02:57 - 36.020 THE 4. CALORIE OR THE MISSION.
02:57 - 40.080 >>I WAS LIKE DON'T HAVE A A D
02:57 - 42.050 MISSION. THAT
02:57 - 43.730 DEPARTMENT IN FRONT OF ME IF I
02:57 - 46.030 HAD MY HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU
02:57 - 47.500 HAVE TREES IN THE MISSION IS TO
02:57 - 49.860 PROTECT TREES. AND
02:57 - 54.290 >>FLORA AND FAUNA. THE MISSION.
02:57 - 57.120 >>NOT KNOWING.
02:57 - 00.020 THE LEGISLATION AND NOT KNOWING
02:58 - 01.540 THE CASE LAW BEHIND I DON'T
02:58 - 02.690 KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN CHALLENGED
02:58 - 04.400 RAUNER BUT WHAT I DO NOW IS
02:58 - 07.260 THE EXACT TYPE OF TAX IMMUNITY
02:58 - 10.130 THAT THE HAS SHE IN THE
02:58 - 11.670 UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA HAVE
02:58 - 13.290 CHALLENGE HERE. THE EXACT
02:58 - 15.220 SAME KIND IT'S BEEN TURNED AWAY
02:58 - 17.190 TIME AND AGAIN I BOTH THE
02:58 - 18.830 COMMONWEALTH COURT AND THE
02:58 - 20.460 PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT AND
02:58 - 23.820 FACTS EXTREMELY SIMILAR TO WHAT
02:58 - 23.940 WE
02:58 - 24.590 HAVE HERE.
02:58 - 26.490 >>ACTUALLY THE FACT IN THE EYE
02:58 - 27.770 OF THE CASE WERE BETTER FOR THE
02:58 - 29.030 STATE SYSTEM WHICH IS WHY I
02:58 - 29.940 WROTE THE DISSENT THAT I
02:58 - 31.840 BECAUSE IT WAS AN AIDE TO BE
02:58 - 33.140 THERE. THERE'S ACTUALLY A
02:58 - 34.560 PROGRAM OF THE UNIVERSITY FOR
02:58 - 35.910 BUSINESS INCUBATION WHICH IS
02:58 - 37.950 ACTUALLY PART OF BAYOU BUDDIES.
02:58 - 39.250 MISSION.
02:58 - 42.710 I DIDN'T GET THE MAJORITY AND
02:58 - 43.990 NOT IN THE PATH OF A SUPREME
02:58 - 44.230 COURT
02:58 - 46.770 OF BIRD. A PAPER PER CARRY AND
02:58 - 47.980 THAT MEANS THEY ARE FROM THE
02:58 - 49.530 RESULTING IN A LETTER FROM THE
02:58 - 50.630 RATIONALE BUT THEY GET A
02:58 - 51.100 PERMIT.
02:58 - 53.500 >>I WOULD AGREE INDICATION
02:58 - 55.490 INJURED A SENSE, IT'S A LOGICAL
02:58 - 57.310 STEP THAT THE CREW SESION OF
02:58 - 59.030 BUSINESS INCUBATOR PROPERTIES
02:58 - 01.330 IN THE BUSINESS SCHOOL BY UPI
02:59 - 03.270 COULD CONCEIVABLY BE RELATED TO
02:59 - 04.350 THEIR MISSION STATEMENT WHICH
02:59 - 05.500 WE STATED HIS WILL SAY
02:59 - 08.040 EDUCATION. AGAIN I DON'T THINK
02:59 - 11.070 ANYONE CAN MAKE THE WHY GOOGLE
02:59 - 26.690 TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATIONAL
02:59 - 29.130 WHICH THEY COULD WOULD BE
02:59 - 34.110 MAKING PROFIT FOR THE
02:59 - 38.520 SEPTA DECISION OPERATING AS A
02:59 - 40.350 COMMERCIAL LANDLORD IS NOT.
02:59 - 45.780 TO AN INTEREST IN
02:59 - 48.310 3RD PARTIES. VIOLATES AND IT'S
02:59 - 49.500 A IT'S A BREACH OF IMMUNITY.
02:59 - 52.640 >>COULD YOU ADDRESS AND THE
02:59 - 55.410 PHILADELPHIA. WHAT
02:59 - 56.570 FOLLOWS AFTER.
02:59 - 01.240 SOMEWHAT CONTRACT. THE RULING
03:00 - 03.010 >>I WOULD
03:00 - 05.040 SAY TO DIVE IN TO THE EXTENT
03:00 - 06.750 THAT IT DOES I THINK IT'S CLEAR
03:00 - 06.910 THAT
03:00 - 09.410 IT STILL IT TURNS THAT IF EVEN
03:00 - 11.380 IF YOU ARE IN YOU AND JOURNEY
03:00 - 13.030 INSTRUMENT ALLERGY OR
03:00 - 15.020 AN AGENCY. YOU STILL HAVE TO
03:00 - 16.880 USE THAT PROPERTY. THE FORMER
03:00 - 17.990 THE PURPOSE, I KNOW, I'M
03:00 - 19.130 REPEATING MYSELF THERE.
03:00 - 20.450 I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT THE
03:00 - 22.830 CITY OF PHILADELPHIA JOHN IN A
03:00 - 24.510 LOVING THE GIRARD TRUST THE
03:00 - 27.100 GIRARD TRUST ITSELF SUCH
03:00 - 28.570 AN ANOMALY AND
03:00 - 31.760 IT'S DIFFICULT TO DRY EXACT
03:00 - 34.000 PARALLELS BETWEEN THAT TRUST
03:00 - 36.290 WHICH TO ITS CREDIT THE POLICE
03:00 - 37.750 OUT PROPERTIES TO OTHER
03:00 - 39.930 GOVERNMENT ENTITIES CONCEIVABLY
03:00 - 42.280 PUSHING FORWARD THE. THE
03:00 - 44.070 GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE IS
03:00 - 45.790 COMPLETE IS AGAIN DIFFERENT
03:00 - 47.340 THAN I UPI.
03:00 - 49.430 >>WOULD THIS CASE BE DIFFERENT
03:00 - 50.300 THAN IN.
03:00 - 53.330 >>THE EYE UPI WAS LEASING OUT
03:00 - 55.650 THE BUILDING'S CHEW.
03:00 - 58.860 YOU'RE NONPROFIT SCORED
03:01 - 01.770 >>AND THERE.
03:01 - 03.520 >>GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AS
03:01 - 05.250 OPPOSED TO THE COMMERCIALLY
03:01 - 06.090 SAYS THAT IT
03:01 - 09.040 >>I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE A
03:01 - 11.020 SPECIFIC EXAMINATION OF WHO
03:01 - 11.340 WHAT
03:01 - 13.660 AND WHEN WHAT THOSE NONPROFITS
03:01 - 15.360 FOR EXAMPLE WORK IT WAS AND YOU
03:01 - 16.510 KNOW THIS IS A COLON AREA
03:01 - 18.860 SCHOOL IMPD IS TRULY IS
03:01 - 20.310 PURCHASE THESE BUILDINGS ARE
03:01 - 21.810 EVENTUALLY RAISING A GREAT
03:01 - 23.390 LARGE PORTION OF THEM TO
03:01 - 25.810 ESTABLISH A COLONY RE SCHOOL IN
03:01 - 27.850 SOME DORMITORY SUPPORT THEM IF
03:01 - 29.330 THEY DON'T PROFIT AS THEY WERE
03:01 - 30.160 TO RENT
03:01 - 32.520 OUT AS THE JUDGE JUDGE DROPS AN
03:01 - 32.850 OPEN
03:01 - 36.480 >>AGREE THAT IF A
03:01 - 38.800 RENTED OUT THE SPACE TO A
03:01 - 40.570 STUDENT-RUN BAKERY.
03:01 - 42.970 EMPLOYED AND OPERATED BY
03:01 - 44.140 STUDENTS OF THE CULINARY
03:01 - 46.240 SCHOOL. MY ARGUMENT WE WOULD BE
03:01 - 46.410 MUCH
03:01 - 48.770 HARDER ONE. I THINK THAT THE
03:01 - 50.500 PUBLIC PURPOSE, THEN.
03:01 - 53.760 >>THE SORT A PUBLIC PURPOSE
03:01 - 55.860 DISCUSSION IN CITY
03:01 - 00.350 OF PHILADELPHIA GRAFTED ON TO
03:02 - 00.960 THE.
03:02 - 04.700 7 DEAD. CONCERN OUT WHETHER
03:02 - 06.100 IT'S WITHIN ITS PURPOSE AND
03:02 - 09.090 POWERS OR CAN BE
03:02 - 12.220 PUBLIC PURPOSE. THE SEPARATE
03:02 - 13.650 AND APART AS LONG AS IT'S A
03:02 - 15.130 PUBLIC PURPOSE, IT DOESN'T HAVE
03:02 - 16.410 TO REALLY HEAR THE PUBLIC
03:02 - 18.010 PURPOSE WOULD NATURALLY TO CALL
03:02 - 18.710 AN AREA SCHOOLS
03:02 - 21.050 OF EDUCATION. IT COULD BE
03:02 - 22.780 LEASING IT OUT TO THE LOCAL
03:02 - 24.470 AMBULANCE COMPANY, YOUR
03:02 - 25.560 FIREFIGHTERS.
03:02 - 28.550 >>I WOULD SAY THE PUBLIC
03:02 - 29.270 PURPOSE.
03:02 - 31.930 IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE
03:02 - 33.370 PUBLIC PURPOSE IN THIS
03:02 - 35.280 ANALYSIS, IT'S WHETHER THE USE
03:02 - 36.800 OF THE PROPERTY IS
03:02 - 38.470 FORWARDING THAT INDEED
03:02 - 41.030 STATUTORILY DEFINED PURPOSE OF
03:02 - 41.700 THE APPELLANT
03:02 - 44.580 HERE THE INDIANA UNIVERSITY
03:02 - 46.990 OF PENNSYLVANIA AND HERE AGAIN
03:02 - 48.870 THE STATUTORILY DEFINED PURPOSE
03:02 - 50.010 UNDER 24 P S
03:02 - 53.020 THE SECTION 20 DASH 2003 BIG A
03:02 - 54.240 SUBSECTION LITTLE LAYS THE
03:02 - 55.660 PROVISION OF INSTRUCTION FOR
03:02 - 56.950 UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE
03:02 - 58.530 STUDENTS. IF THIS WERE UNDER
03:02 - 01.010 YOUR SCENARIO. A SCHOOL THAT I
03:03 - 04.430 UPI RAN I BELIEVE HE MENTIONS
03:03 - 07.490 HE EMPTY SERVICES. THEN YES.
03:03 - 09.530 HERE THEY WANT TO HURT HER I
03:03 - 12.020 THINK I I I'M I'M INTRIGUED BY
03:03 - 13.060 THIS EXCHANGE ARE HAVING WITH
03:03 - 14.090 JUDGE CAN YOU BELIEVE ARE, BUT
03:03 - 14.970 I'M NOT SURE.
03:03 - 16.560 >>I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE
03:03 - 18.380 ANSWERING. THE QUESTION
03:03 - 20.490 THAT SHE'S HE SO WITH APOLOGIES
03:03 - 22.270 THAT I HAD LIKE A THAT THEN
03:03 - 23.300 YOU'RE JUST FOR A SECOND.
03:03 - 24.030 >>PLEASE.
03:03 - 25.880 >>AND THE QUESTION OF WHETHER
03:03 - 27.190 ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL LANDLORD
03:03 - 28.430 DOESN'T DEPEND ON WHO YOU'RE
03:03 - 30.640 LEASING PROPERTY TOO. THE
03:03 - 32.180 QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU ARE
03:03 - 34.010 RENTING PROPERTY FOR REVENUE.
03:03 - 36.390 THAT MAKES YOU A COMMERCIAL
03:03 - 37.470 LANDLORD CORRECTED.
03:03 - 39.930 >>THAT'S PART OF IT THAT'S PART
03:03 - 41.610 OF IT IN SEPT A STEP THAT
03:03 - 42.370 COULD HAVE.
03:03 - 44.270 >>A WHOLE RENTING OR LEASED A
03:03 - 45.610 BILLBOARD TO ANY NUMBER OF
03:03 - 46.380 NONPROFITS
03:03 - 48.700 IN PHILADELPHIA. YOU DON'T
03:03 - 49.810 THINK THAT WOULD CHANGE THE
03:03 - 51.350 ANALYSIS THAT THE COURT ENGAGED
03:03 - 52.390 IN FACT TODAY YOU.
03:03 - 56.040 >>I DIDN'T HAVE
03:03 - 57.480 THOSE FACTS IN FRONT OF US YOUR
03:03 - 59.420 HONOR PERHAPS IT MAY HAVE BUT I
03:03 - 01.050 WOULD SAY SPECIFIC WITH 60
03:04 - 02.800 WE'RE LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION
03:04 - 04.430 COMMERCIAL LANDLORD IS THE
03:04 - 06.120 PHRASE THAT HAS YOU IN JUST A
03:04 - 08.280 SAILOR'S CONCURRING OPINION AND
03:04 - 09.870 THAT HE HAD FILLED OUT IF THAT
03:04 - 11.640 WERE TERMINOLOGY THAT IS USED.
03:04 - 13.290 >>IN THIS AFTER THE CASE.
03:04 - 14.580 WHAT THE
03:04 - 16.610 FOOD BANK WHERE WHERE DO YOU
03:04 - 18.710 THINK INSTRUMENT TALLY OF THE
03:04 - 20.150 COMMONWEALTH, YOUR WORDS
03:04 - 22.420 BECOMES A COMMERCIAL LANDLORD
03:04 - 24.650 IT ONLY WHEN THEY'RE RENTING TO
03:04 - 26.000 FOR PROFIT ENTITIES.
03:04 - 28.610 >>OR WHEN THEY'RE RENTING IT
03:04 - 29.490 ALL FOR REVENUE.
03:04 - 34.540 >>I WOULD THINK MONDAY OR RENTS
03:04 - 35.390 ITS I DON'T THINK IT
03:04 - 38.260 NECESSARILY. I THINK THE A
03:04 - 39.650 DECIDING FACTOR IS WHETHER
03:04 - 41.310 THEY'RE FOR PROFIT OR
03:04 - 43.150 NON PROFIT. I BELIEVE IF
03:04 - 44.510 THEY'RE UTILIZING THE
03:04 - 47.250 PROPERTIES IN A MANNER WHICH IS
03:04 - 48.790 IT DOESN'T COINCIDE WITH THEIR
03:04 - 50.790 PURPOSE. IF THEY WOULD RENT A
03:04 - 52.650 PROPERTY TO A
03:04 - 55.070 COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 2 IN JUST
03:04 - 56.820 VERY SPECIFIC CASE. THE CASE WE
03:04 - 59.160 HAVE BEFORE US. YEAH I DID TRY
03:04 - 59.680 WILLOW.
03:05 - 02.210 TO AN ENTITY,
03:05 - 04.710 A COMMERCIAL 3RD PARTY ENTITY
03:05 - 06.390 THAT COULD SOMEHOW BE SAID TO
03:05 - 08.410 FORWARD PEAS EDUCATIONAL
03:05 - 11.000 PURPOSE. AND THAT PROPERTY
03:05 - 14.050 MAY WELL BEING SENT THE FACTS
03:05 - 16.450 WE HAVE HERE YOUR HONOR ARE
03:05 - 18.910 HIGHLY SPECIFIC AND IT IS THAT
03:05 - 20.830 IN NO MANNER CAN BE SAID TO DO
03:05 - 22.750 SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK
03:05 - 25.250 IT'S NONPROFIT VERSUS PROCESS.
03:05 - 28.990 I THINK IT IS THE USE OF
03:05 - 30.730 THE PROPERTY. IF THEY IF THERE
03:05 - 32.560 WAS A NONPROFIT THAT THEY
03:05 - 34.340 LEASED THE PROPERTY OUT TOO.
03:05 - 35.600 THAT HAS THAT.
03:05 - 38.700 8 FIREWORKS SOMETHING
03:05 - 40.760 COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO A IN
03:05 - 42.540 THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
03:05 - 44.460 WHERE THE N DOUBLE ACP OR
03:05 - 46.200 A NONPROFIT LEAD YOUR FOCUS YOU
03:05 - 47.440 JUST HEARD FROM HERE FOCUSING
03:05 - 48.910 ON THE USE OF THE ULTIMATE END.
03:05 - 52.240 >>I THINK THAT I WAS UNDER THE
03:05 - 54.130 IMPRESSION THAT THIS EPIC WORK
03:05 - 55.720 WAS FOCUSING ON THE USE TO
03:05 - 57.370 WHICH THAT IT WAS PUTTING
03:05 - 59.500 THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN USE
03:05 - 01.000 WHICH SECTOR WAS PUTTING THAT
03:06 - 02.120 POPPY WAS A COMMERCIAL
03:06 - 03.140 BILLBOARD BE REALLY
03:06 - 05.380 FOCUS ON WHO THEY WERE WRECKING
03:06 - 06.930 TO IT SIMPLY SAID THE STEP TO
03:06 - 08.670 WAS RENTING A BILLBOARD SPACE.
03:06 - 11.040 OUR TIME AND THAT
03:06 - 12.540 WAS NOT THAT DOES
03:06 - 14.690 NOT FALL WITHIN THE QUALIFIED
03:06 - 15.930 IMMUNITY I DON'T THINK THAT'S
03:06 - 16.400 IMPORTANT
03:06 - 18.710 GAUGE JENNA WELL IF WE'RE
03:06 - 20.220 READING TO A NONPROFIT OR THEY
03:06 - 21.580 WERE RENTING TO
03:06 - 23.230 A COMPANY THAT SOLD UMBRELLAS
03:06 - 24.380 THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE TRAIN.
03:06 - 27.050 I MEAN IT IS I REMEMBER THAT
03:06 - 28.340 BEING PART OF THE CALCULUS.
03:06 - 32.380 >>IT'S MONDAY IF THE CALCULUS
03:06 - 33.170 IS SIMPLY
03:06 - 36.540 US THAT. THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY
03:06 - 38.150 IS RENTING TO A COMMERCIAL
03:06 - 40.530 LANDLORD AND THEY LOSE IMMUNITY
03:06 - 42.600 THEN I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY
03:06 - 44.470 AGREE WITH BACK. I
03:06 - 45.940 THINK CONCEIVABLY.
03:06 - 49.650 >>THE EU AND DEFYING
03:06 - 50.980 COMMERCIAL LANDLORD.
03:06 - 54.380 >>MEAN ARE BACK. THIS IS WHAT
03:06 - 55.730 YOUR AND BURNED FROM THE
03:06 - 56.640 SUPREME COURT.
03:06 - 59.700 LANGUAGE THAT COMMERCIAL
03:06 - 02.980 LANDLORD IS I DO THAT IS
03:07 - 05.720 NOT CONSISTENT. WHEN THE FATHER
03:07 - 05.980 AND.
03:07 - 11.680 >>I WOULD SAY YOU'RE GOING
03:07 - 13.220 BECAUSE OF YOU KNOW RAN INTO A
03:07 - 14.980 CHIROPRACTOR HAS NOTHING TO DO
03:07 - 15.150 IT.
03:07 - 17.560 >>AND SHE IS UNDERLYING
03:07 - 17.900 PURPOSE.
03:07 - 22.630 >>HOUSE WHEN A COMMERCIAL
03:07 - 24.260 TRANSACTION THERE ARE WOMEN THE
03:07 - 26.190 PROBLEM IS ACTING AS HERSHEL
03:07 - 26.680 AND BOARD.
03:07 - 28.790 >>I WOULD SAY THAT'S A FIRST
03:07 - 30.610 LEVEL OF INQUIRY AND THEN WE
03:07 - 32.120 HAVE TO MAKE THE SECOND LEVEL
03:07 - 34.550 OF INQUIRY AS TO WHAT EXACTLY
03:07 - 37.120 THAT ENTITY IS AS THE JUDGE
03:07 - 37.660 PERHAPS IS
03:07 - 41.480 THEY UPI WAS WRENCHING TO
03:07 - 43.410 BUSINESSES THAT ALTHOUGH 3RD
03:07 - 44.830 PARTY COMMERCIAL ENTITIES
03:07 - 47.380 AND SOME TANGIBLE RELATIONSHIP
03:07 - 48.650 TO THE UNIVERSITY.
03:07 - 49.680 I THINK THERE'S OTHER
03:07 - 51.010 DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER THE
03:07 - 52.310 RANTS THAT THEY WERE PAYING
03:07 - 53.320 WERE MARKET WHERE THEY
03:07 - 54.970 COMPETING WITH APPLE OTHER
03:07 - 57.120 LOCAL, A PROPERTY OWNERS.
03:07 - 00.410 BUT THE IF THE UNDERLYING I
03:08 - 01.550 THINK THE CRUX OF THE ARGUMENT
03:08 - 03.020 WHICH THE REST OF THE PANEL.
03:08 - 04.340 DECIDED WAS
03:08 - 07.970 THAT BE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
03:08 - 09.440 THE 3RD PARTY COMMERCIAL
03:08 - 11.520 TENANTS HAD INCLUDING NO WAY BE
03:08 - 12.630 SENT TO US FORWARD.
03:08 - 16.430 WAYS IN THAT CASE A NARROW
03:08 - 17.320 INTERPRETATION OF
03:08 - 19.270 THE PURPOSE. AND I'M INDIAN
03:08 - 20.530 UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA.
03:08 - 21.910 I WOULD STAY.
03:08 - 25.710 >>I'M DISTINCTION DEVELOPING
03:08 - 28.010 SOME OF YOUR ANSWERS TO CROSS
03:08 - 31.640 THE LOVE IT. IF THAT ANY JUST
03:08 - 33.520 ABOUT ANY HURRY BACK.
03:08 - 38.000 >>A STATE AND HE COULD PURCHASE
03:08 - 39.010 AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
03:08 - 40.920 WELL ALREADY HAD A
03:08 - 42.770 PURPOSE WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED
03:08 - 44.260 SO IN THIS CASE IF YOU BUY
03:08 - 45.700 PROPERTY AND THERE IS AT LEAST
03:08 - 46.340 IN PLACE
03:08 - 48.730 AND THAT WE SAYS TO A
03:08 - 51.060 COMMERCIAL TENANT AT LEAST WAS
03:08 - 52.490 NOT ENTERED INTO BY
03:08 - 53.890 COMMONWEALTH PUBLIC WEEK IN A
03:08 - 54.520 LONG.
03:08 - 56.410 WE HAVE THE PROPERTY WAS
03:08 - 58.250 PURCHASED THE INTENTION OF THE
03:08 - 00.310 BE PURCHASED IN THIS IS WAS FOR
03:09 - 01.570 THE PURPOSE OF
03:09 - 03.650 THE UNIVERSITY. IT WAS NOT FOR
03:09 - 05.210 THE PURPOSE OF BECOMING A
03:09 - 07.610 COMMERCIAL LANDLORD NEW ADDRESS
03:09 - 08.950 THAT DISTINCTION THERE BECAUSE
03:09 - 10.080 IT SEEMS TO BE THE PROPERTIES
03:09 - 12.050 INTENTION. SO I'M WITH THE
03:09 - 12.940 PURPOSE. THERE
03:09 - 14.940 IS NO. IT WAS THOUGHT TO
03:09 - 16.510 CONTINUE IN BUSINESS AND
03:09 - 17.380 COMMERCIAL.
03:09 - 21.520 >>YOU DON'T
03:09 - 23.500 USE LEE I UPI TALK THE PROPERTY
03:09 - 25.020 SUBJECT TO CERTAIN PLACES.
03:09 - 26.770 SOME OF THOSE LEASES WERE MONTH
03:09 - 27.320 TO MONTH.
03:09 - 28.920 SOME OF THOSE LEASES OR
03:09 - 31.930 UPI RENEWED OR A TERM TO
03:09 - 34.170 CONTINUE INTO IP MOVES FORWARD
03:09 - 35.320 WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT OF
03:09 - 37.690 THE PROPERTY. I P HAS TAKEN
03:09 - 39.570 ACTIVE STEPS TO CONTINUE.
03:09 - 41.000 SOME OF THOSE LEASES
03:09 - 42.860 I HOPE HE COULD HAVE TAKEN THIS
03:09 - 44.110 STEP TO DIFFERENT
03:09 - 46.310 STEPS ONE THEY COULD HAVE
03:09 - 48.010 CANCELED AND TERMINATED THOSE
03:09 - 49.740 LEASES BY A PROPER NOTICE THE
03:09 - 50.970 DAY AFTER THEY CLOSED ON THE
03:09 - 51.650 PROPERTY.
03:09 - 56.020 THEY COULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL
03:09 - 56.300 THOSE
03:09 - 59.080 LEASES RAN AND AND UNTIL
03:09 - 00.350 REHABILITATION AND
03:10 - 02.030 RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY
03:10 - 03.040 INTO A FUNCTIONING
03:10 - 05.590 CULINARIA INSTITUTE WAS
03:10 - 07.350 COMPLETE BEFORE APPLYING FOR
03:10 - 10.030 TAX IMMUNITY. RATHER IN
03:10 - 11.470 TWENTY-EIGHTEEN THEY APPLIED
03:10 - 13.760 FOR IMMUNITY WHEN THE PROPERTY
03:10 - 14.890 AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
03:10 - 17.120 PROPERTY. TAKE THE SNAPSHOT AS
03:10 - 18.690 IT STOOD AT THAT TIME.
03:10 - 21.070 AT THAT TIME THERE ARE EXISTING
03:10 - 22.510 COMMERCIAL TENANTS WITHIN THE
03:10 - 23.090 PROPERTY.
03:10 - 25.520 AND YOU CAN FOR
03:10 - 27.580 EXAMPLE OR NEAR ON THE I P
03:10 - 28.780 COMPLETED THIS PROPERTY
03:10 - 32.170 ENTIRELY IN 2022 FOR EXAMPLE,
03:10 - 33.600 YOU KNOW WE'RE 3RD PARTY
03:10 - 35.030 COMMERCIAL TENANTS WITHIN IT
03:10 - 37.270 AND FILED FOR TECHS IMMUNITY
03:10 - 38.200 FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE
03:10 - 39.820 PROPERTY. I DON'T BELIEVE I
03:10 - 41.620 HAVE A PARK THEY CHOOSE TO PUT
03:10 - 43.900 THIS AN ISSUE IN 2018. WHEN
03:10 - 46.690 EXISTING LEASES WERE THERE AND
03:10 - 47.890 MANY OF THEM CONTINUING.
03:10 - 49.760 >>I HEAR YOU SAYING
03:10 - 51.610 THAT THOSE LEASES WERE RENEWED
03:10 - 53.440 UNTIL PUBLIC PURPOSE CAN BE
03:10 - 55.410 ESTABLISHED THAT BALL IS WORK
03:10 - 57.050 THAT INTENTION IS ALREADY THE
03:10 - 59.550 FORWARD IS RIGHT. YEAH
03:10 - 00.230 OTHER WORDS.
03:11 - 03.460 DIDN'T EXTEND LEASES WITH THE
03:11 - 04.890 INTENTION OF BECOMING A
03:11 - 06.430 LANDLORD RATHER JUST BE
03:11 - 08.150 SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY FOR
03:11 - 08.850 THE PURPOSE.
03:11 - 11.250 >>I BELIEVE
03:11 - 14.120 THEY ENDED THE LEASES TO BE MY
03:11 - 15.010 MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE
03:11 - 16.530 TESTIMONY WAS RELATIVELY TO BE
03:11 - 18.460 GOOD NEIGHBORS. THAT MAY HAVE
03:11 - 19.980 BEEN THE DEPOSITION RATHER THAN
03:11 - 20.530 THAT AND THE
03:11 - 23.710 ACTUAL RECORD. BUT AGAIN WE
03:11 - 25.490 HAVE TO TAKE THE SNAPSHOT OF
03:11 - 26.890 HOW THE PROPERTY STUDENT THE
03:11 - 27.520 MOMENT THEY
03:11 - 30.740 FILED THAT TEXAN UNITY SLASH
03:11 - 33.050 EXEMPTION APPLICATION WITH THE
03:11 - 34.810 ORDER OF ASSESSMENTS. JEFFERSON
03:11 - 36.320 COUNTY IN 2018.
03:11 - 42.350 >>IF YOU HEARD FROM WOULD YOU
03:11 - 44.990 LIKE TO MAKE A AND LOOTING.
03:11 - 47.380 YOU'RE WELL OVER
03:11 - 48.050 YOUR TIME.
03:11 - 49.790 >>THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT
03:11 - 51.400 VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE THE
03:11 - 52.740 QUESTIONS OF THE COURT.
03:11 - 55.140 >>AND THIS IS A.
03:11 - 58.910 >>ISN'T AS WE AS WE AS WE BEGAN
03:11 - 00.960 OUR CONVERSATION SEPTA IS
03:12 - 04.740 INSURMOUNTABLE BURDEN. SO TO I
03:12 - 06.540 U P AND PATCHY HERE.
03:12 - 10.020 2 TESTS ONE. THERE'S A
03:12 - 11.820 PRESUMPTION OF IMMUNITY IF
03:12 - 13.030 INDIANA UNIVERSITY OF
03:12 - 14.490 PENNSYLVANIA. IS
03:12 - 16.820 THE INSTRUMENTS OR AGENTS OF
03:12 - 18.280 THE COMMON WAS THEY DON'T GET
03:12 - 20.070 BLANKET SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY.
03:12 - 22.860 SIMPLY BY THE INSTRUMENT SALLY,
03:12 - 24.990 OR AN AGENCY. INTEL IT WAS
03:12 - 26.630 CLEAR AS DAY ON THAT AND THAT
03:12 - 29.650 RESOLUTION IT HAS TO GO IN
03:12 - 31.370 PEACE FAVOR WE NEED TO BE AT
03:12 - 32.320 THE SUPREME COURT.
03:12 - 34.560 AS IT STANDS IN MOVED TO
03:12 - 37.020 THE SECOND EXAMINATION OF WHAT
03:12 - 38.660 THOSE PROPERTIES ARE USED FOR
03:12 - 41.630 AND ARGUABLY CHIROPRACTOR
03:12 - 43.890 DELHI AND I
03:12 - 47.090 HAIR SALON INSURANCE AGENCY
03:12 - 48.700 CANNOT BE SAID TO FORWARD
03:12 - 51.280 STATUTORY GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE.
03:12 - 53.090 INDIANA UNIVERSITY OF
03:12 - 53.710 PENNSYLVANIA.
03:12 - 00.780 >>ALL RIGHT MISTER FERGUSON.
03:13 - 05.450 I'D LIKE TO REFER THE
03:13 - 09.460 COURT TOO. AGE IS 2425 WE.
03:13 - 13.570 AGAIN. A SIMPLE
03:13 - 16.700 BUCKS COUNTY CASE AND THE
03:13 - 18.220 CITATION WAS SEVERE.
03:13 - 21.410 REFERENCES AGAIN THE DAUPHIN
03:13 - 22.010 COUNTY CASE
03:13 - 24.470 WAS 39. AND THE OMG ROBERT
03:13 - 25.740 SCHOOL DISTRICT IF YOU KNOW I
03:13 - 26.930 HAVE A WHOLE WHEN
03:13 - 28.840 A COUPLE THIS IS A UNIQUE LIES
03:13 - 30.440 TO ALL REAL ESTATE OWNED BY THE
03:13 - 32.250 COMMON WALKER INSTRUMENT, HOW
03:13 - 34.970 EUROPE WHETHER OR NOT USED FOR
03:13 - 37.520 A PUBLIC PURPOSE. AGAIN THAT
03:13 - 38.610 GOES BACK TO
03:13 - 40.510 WHAT THE COURTS HAVE DONE OVER
03:13 - 42.350 THE YEARS I UNDERSTAND THAT
03:13 - 44.350 CREATES SEPTA THAT'S WHAT
03:13 - 45.290 COURTS LOOK
03:13 - 48.740 AT TAXATION. AND IF YOU WANT TO
03:13 - 50.140 LAYERED DERRY TOWNSHIP, ONE
03:13 - 51.590 COMPANY. AND THAT'S WHERE.
03:13 - 54.420 HE LATER RECOUNTED ON TOP OF
03:13 - 54.590 THAT.
03:13 - 56.280 >>THE STATE SYSTEM COMES
03:13 - 57.660 LOOKING DOLLARS GET STATE
03:13 - 59.850 SYSTEM IS NOT SET UP TO THE
03:13 - 02.080 STATE SYSTEM IS PART OF A
03:14 - 04.670 COMMON SET IN A SEPARATE STATE.
03:14 - 05.640 AND I CAN GIVE
03:14 - 08.070 SOME EXAMPLES SEPTA DOES I MEAN
03:14 - 09.870 IN THIS IS CROSSES BOTH
03:14 - 11.520 SOVEREIGNTY WHICH IS DIFFERENT
03:14 - 14.440 TAX AND YOU TOO. BUT SEPTA IS
03:14 - 15.850 DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THEM.
03:14 - 18.270 THEY DON'T THEY'RE SUBJECT TO
03:14 - 19.430 THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURT
03:14 - 21.820 OF COMMON PLEAS. THEIR PENSION
03:14 - 23.410 SYSTEMS DIFFERENT. WE ARE
03:14 - 25.570 PROPERLY. MENTION RIGHT TONY,
03:14 - 26.620 THEY DO NOT HAVE
03:14 - 28.330 THAT THEY DON'T NOT TO GO TO
03:14 - 29.810 THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY REALLY
03:14 - 31.360 PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT
03:14 - 32.160 TO THE TOURNAMENT.
03:14 - 34.520 THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
03:14 - 36.140 PURCHASE INSURANCE. WE WE DO
03:14 - 39.010 PURCHASE INSURANCE. THEY'RE NOT
03:14 - 40.150 SUBJECT TO THE COMMONWEALTH
03:14 - 41.820 ATTORNEY'S. WE ARE SUBJECT TO
03:14 - 41.880 THE
03:14 - 42.930 COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S
03:14 - 44.960 REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A BUDGET TO
03:14 - 46.320 THE OFFICE OF THE BUDGET SEPT
03:14 - 48.700 IS NOT. THE APPOINTMENT OF
03:14 - 50.170 THE BOARD. THIS COMMONWEALTH
03:14 - 51.990 CONTROL SEPTA IS CONTROLLED BY
03:14 - 53.100 LOCAL COUNTY. IT'S THE 5
03:14 - 54.610 SURROUNDING COUNTIES FOR THAT
03:14 - 55.630 SOME COUNTIES AROUND
03:14 - 57.010 PHILADELPHIA TO POINT THEIR
03:14 - 58.790 MISSION IS THAT WE GET TO WORK.
03:15 - 02.000 THEIR INITIAL CREATION. I THINK
03:15 - 03.890 THIS IS IMPORTANT SETTOS
03:15 - 05.650 CREATED A WHOLE THE
03:15 - 07.950 STATE SYSTEM WAS KILLED IN A OF
03:15 - 09.710 THE POPE. IT'S BEEN A PART
03:15 - 12.060 OF EDUCATION IN OUR INITIAL
03:15 - 14.820 STEPS THE INACCURATE
03:15 - 17.540 2019 82 SECTION
03:15 - 18.500 20 DASH
03:15 - 22.980 2016 A SAYS THAT WE RETAIN ALL
03:15 - 24.910 RIGHTS PRIVILEGES, ETCETERA
03:15 - 26.510 THAT ARE
03:15 - 28.830 NOT SPECIFICALLY TAKEN AWAY
03:15 - 30.450 FROM US BY THE CREATION OF
03:15 - 31.190 STATE SAYS.
03:15 - 33.490 IF I I WOULDN'T BE HERE IN
03:15 - 35.240 FRONT OF ME I WAS AS THE
03:15 - 37.670 DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION BECAUSE
03:15 - 38.760 THE PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF
03:15 - 39.470 EDUCATION
03:15 - 41.960 HAS IMMUNITY AND I KNOW THAT
03:15 - 43.660 MISTER FORD TRIES TO SEPARATE
03:15 - 45.210 COMMONWEALTH AGENCY, HOWEVER
03:15 - 47.210 DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES
03:15 - 48.510 OWNS THE LAND AT
03:15 - 50.650 THE CAPITOL. I IT WAS
03:15 - 51.520 PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY THE
03:15 - 51.970 DEPARTMENT
03:15 - 54.410 OF PROPERTY. AND WHEN I DID THE
03:15 - 56.020 FIRST CASE THAT REALIZED IT WAS
03:15 - 57.150 IT WAS ACTUALLY SEEN IT FROM
03:15 - 59.980 SIMON CAMERA. THE LAKERS SPOTS
03:15 - 01.830 AROUND THE CAP, SO THAT THAT'S
03:16 - 03.090 WHERE THE PROPERTY CAME FROM
03:16 - 04.450 WITHIN THE CAPITAL ITSELF.
03:16 - 07.130 REMARK HAS THE STATES WHERE
03:16 - 08.720 THEY PROVIDE LAUNCH SERVICES
03:16 - 10.130 ARE THESE ARE MARKET ME.
03:16 - 11.110 SO BUT.
03:16 - 14.030 IS THAT PROPERTY NOW SUBJECT TO
03:16 - 16.790 BECAUSE DGS ON CITIZEN AGENCY
03:16 - 18.550 IS THAT APT THAT YOU'RE NOT
03:16 - 20.460 SUBJECT TO TAXATION BUT SOME
03:16 - 22.320 ARE STILL IF THE ANSWER TO THAT
03:16 - 25.110 IS A RESOUNDING NO BECAUSE IT'S
03:16 - 27.900 COMMONWEALTH PROPERTY AND I WE
03:16 - 30.410 STOOD BACK TO OUR CASE A STATE
03:16 - 31.840 WHICH I THINK IS THE LODESTAR
03:16 - 33.450 QUESTION. AND ONCE YOU ANSWER
03:16 - 35.640 THAT AND ARE WE OWNED BY
03:16 - 37.560 THE CONGO. THEY DON'T GET TO
03:16 - 39.560 THE SECOND TIME 2 THINGS I WANT
03:16 - 41.870 TO KNOW I WAS HOW DOES IT LOOK.
03:16 - 43.130 JUST
03:16 - 45.870 TRUST HIM THE CITATION FOR THE
03:16 - 47.160 FIRST TIME THE CASE JUST
03:16 - 48.680 MINUTES THE SUPREME COURT
03:16 - 51.580 APPEAL DENIED. IT'S NOT A
03:16 - 52.810 AFFIRMATION THERE IS AN
03:16 - 55.170 AFFIRMATION MAYBE THE ORIGINAL
03:16 - 55.940 DECK ACTION.
03:16 - 59.190 DETERMINE THE OTHER WE HAVE TO
03:16 - 00.730 GO BACK TO THE LOCAL COURT HAS
03:17 - 02.520 TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE
03:17 - 04.670 ASSESSMENT APPEALS PROCESS.
03:17 - 08.040 THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO RESHAPE
03:17 - 08.910 COURTS TIME.
03:17 - 12.740 THIS CONCLUDES OUR CASE FOR THE
03:17 - 13.980 DAY THE COMMONWEALTH COURT IS
03:17 - 14.680 NOW ADJOURNED.